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The Fed's Window For Hiking Rates Continues To Close

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Submitted by Lance Roberts via STA Wealth Management,

 

 

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Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:30 | 6277488 JustObserving
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How can an imaginary window close? The Fed routinely lies to keep dollar strong

"No Rate Normalization During My Lifetime" Bernanke
Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:32 | 6277505 Pinto Currency
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This article is circular reasoning.

Printing money does nothing in terms of the real economy - it is a fraud to suggest that it is a way to address the economy.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:35 | 6277517 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, banking/finance no longer involves any real risk now that there are no longer any real collateral requirements and everyone gets a fucking bailout.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:40 | 6277533 wee-weed up
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Yep, as usual, the Fed has painted itself into "lose/lose" corner. But we, the serfs, are the ones who are going to lose.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:42 | 6277542 Stuck on Zero
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The Fed will continue boiling the frog till it croaks.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:46 | 6277557 disabledvet
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Respect what they are doing ("I have a printing press and i intend to use it") but also UNDERSTAND what they are doing (not lending any money into the goods economy.")

So yes...enjoy the asset inflation, but understand the entire thing appears to be based on an accounting gimmick (QE.)

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:41 | 6277539 disabledvet
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"Failure to lend means failure to reward" as well however.

Those who have been simply lending to the Federal Government and clipping coupons here have missed out on one of the greatest market rallies in history...

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:59 | 6277611 LawsofPhysics
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I have enjoyed selling peaks and buying dips sure, but the key word there is sell.  It isn't a profit until you actually sell.  Aside from my solid dividend bitchez, I can wait.  So long as the Caymans do not get "Cypus'd" anyway...

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:46 | 6277546 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Banking (and finance in general) has become a way to boost aggregate demand.  Period.  Incomes/returns not enough to pay back the loans/liabilities?  No problem.  The Fed buys the loans/liabilities at 100 cents on the dollar from the intermediaries after the Fed raises rates and credit tightens.  They'll do what it takes to pump enough credit creation into the system and then deal with the mess on the backend through bailouts.        

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 16:00 | 6277613 LawsofPhysics
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So long as the paper is accepted, yes.  It's been like this in earnest since 1971...

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 16:22 | 6277681 ersatz007
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everyone gets a fucking bailout.

 

except citizens. citizens get bailed in.  

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 16:41 | 6277707 nakki
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You are correct. Next thing you know someone is going to get paid to write an article/opinion as to how the FED has to raise rates or lose all credibility. The window was 2 or 3 years ago. That's when they should have raised rates. Could have gotten them to 2% by now. If 2% FED funds rate is going to kill an economy, then we're way, way past the point of no return. Might as well print $20,000,000,000,000 and send it directly to the peoples, the FED will get it back in the end anyways.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:34 | 6277510 oddjob
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Easy, a window with zero-pane glass.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:34 | 6277513 LawsofPhysics
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^^^this. more to the point, if you are going to insist on doing this, then allow every business/person with good credit access to money at the same RATES!!!!

We all know how the current "let the majority eat cake" monetary experiment turns out already.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:37 | 6277523 disabledvet
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The move lower in energy and international ETF's today has been absolutely ASTOUNDING.

I have been calling out solvency risks due to the zero bound all year now so folks getting "taken to the woodshed" here deserve ZERO sympathy...and no I ain't talking Greece either!

If the Fed does fully normalize you don't want to be anywhere NEAR the stuff getting annihilated right now...and that sounds like a problem for folks "other than the Fed" and the Fed itself.

A lot of "speculative bets" sure look to be unwinding as Germany and "the euro" start to Unwind here.

Interest rates in the USA could fall MUCH further from the epic rally they are having today....

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:44 | 6277541 NoDebt
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True.  Oil (WTI) off about 7.5% today.  If that was the Dow dropping 7.5% it would have lost more than 1300 points today.

It's harder to fake oil demand than it is to dummy-up reported EPS numbers using mark-to-unicorn and share buy-backs, however.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:48 | 6277561 Al Huxley
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Maybe if they quitely opened the valves on some of those tankers sitting offshore....

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:55 | 6277585 NoDebt
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I was thinking of starting a company that would store the oil underground.  By pumping it back down the same drill pipes it came up out of.  Since the infrastructure already exists, it only makes sense.

Your idea, however, has the added advantage of creating an environmental catastrophe, which we could spend billions of Keynesian/government-works dollars cleaning up.  So, I would say that's probably the better way to go.

I'm glad you got your 3:30 ramp, by the way.  Everyone needs a little pick-me-up in the afternoon.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:58 | 6277595 Al Huxley
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I don't know, I like your idea - then you could start an exploration company to 'discover' the oil you'd pumped into the ground, and pump it back out again.  Plus you'd have super-low discovery and production costs, so you could probably undercut even the Saudis - thinking about it, we probably deserve a joint Nobel prize in economics for this.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:29 | 6277493 KnuckleDragger-X
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Window? You mean the one that's been bricked up with steel bars on it?

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:34 | 6277511 Fukushima Fricassee
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There will be no increase there will be mega printing and there will be negative rates. It will all explode in thier banker/government corrupt asses.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:36 | 6277518 LawsofPhysics
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...said my father in 1971...

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 17:42 | 6277895 Tinky
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Much like comedy, timing is...

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:36 | 6277520 Bill of Rights
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They ain't raising shit. Still waiting for 2% mortgage rates .

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:39 | 6277530 H H Henry P P P...
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The stock market rallied today from yesterday's futures drop, so that means Greece does not matter and that the Fed should still keep their word and raise rates... otherwise they are LIARS.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:45 | 6277532 trader1
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what you read about on ZH are all but symptoms of a fundamental problem, when ordinary people lose connection to their governmennts and yield full control of the socio-political and economic destinies of humanity to media and big corporations.  

the Greeks have spoken, but who else has heard the ringng sound of freedom which speaks to existing status quo power structures.

who has a dream?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPqiBd_xIw

 

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Mon, 07/06/2015 - 19:42 | 6277753 kchrisc
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Good post, however:

I do not have a dream, as I am fully awake.
I do not dream of Liberty, as I already have her. I demand Liberty, as she is already mine.

I have a demand backed by arms that is deeply rooted in the American country.
I have a demand. A demand for the end of the tyranny that sullies my Liberty.

Liberty is a demand. tyranny is submission.

 

"I have a demand that we Americans, on the continent their Fathers conquered, will one day rise up to put to the guillotines the tyranny that now occupies us. The banksters and their grift dissected. The venal heads of the tyranny, the pols and crats, now heading from a basket. The spying and robbing, the murdering and treasonous henchmen of tyranny, continuing their spying and glaring from atop the pikes they decorate. Dual-citizens asked to partake in 'return' or too face the the mighty blade powered only by gravity and Liberty.

Be a productive part of the American country, or be a productive fertilizer to it".

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:44 | 6277552 In.Sip.ient
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"While raising rates would likely accelerate a potential recession and a significant market correction, from the Fed's perspective it might be the 'lesser of two evils"

 

Now there's a mouth full!  LOL

In 4 months the SGE starts "setting" the price of ( physical ) gold.

The FED has been dragginf their feet pretty much doing everything

they can to convince everyone not to upset the apple cart.

And its worked!  Even China ( and Russia ) actively collude

with the FED to stave off the end of the US$. 

 

But... even the Chinese can see that this game has no

legs.  When the price is set in Shanghai... the US$

is pretty much done.  Only interest rate hikes can

delay this... at best given the foot dragging.

 

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:48 | 6277558 gwar5
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Aintagundewit.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:49 | 6277565 Consuelo
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"While the Federal Reserve clearly should not raise rates in the current environment..."

 

Why is now such a bad time Lance?    You can't polish a turd and therefore shouldn't be shy about shoveling it up and cleaning the mess left behind.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 15:59 | 6277609 Atomizer
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Chrome dome Yellen has a hot potato in her hand. How do you raise US Rates without doubling down on ECB NIRP times two?

/hahahahahaaa. Ph.D economic retards are running the asylum. They cannot balance a checkbook. 

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 16:17 | 6277616 TalkToLind
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The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
Starring Janet Yellen 

I've been looking to raise rates for 8 months. Whenever I should have raised rates with my right hand, I thought of you. Now I find the economy in exactly the position that suits me. And I've had lots of time to learn to raise rates with my left...

 *BOOM*

When you have to shoot, shoot!  Don't talk.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 16:02 | 6277620 gcjohns1971
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The window for raising rates ACTUALLY closed in March or April.  

We're just waiting for the subsequent revisions to confirm it.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 16:17 | 6277659 gcjohns1971
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"the economy is almost 70% driven by consumption which is supported by wages."

 

Um, how is that possible?

Everyone has said it for decades.  But how is it physically possible?

How can consumption comprising 70% be supported by wages?

Don't people have to earn money in order to spend it? 

Pardon me, but monetization and subsequnt inflation don't change the nature of that beast, only redistribute it.

Isn't that EXACTLY like saying that 20% of the transactions are one-sided?  Because one entity's "Consumption" spending is simply another entity's labor budget?   So, isnt that the same as saying "We're borrowing 20% per year"?

Alternatively, it could mean that exports are huge enough to bring a 20% nationwide...and that clearly isn't so!

So...if the money one entity's "consumption" money - their earnings, whether spent now or later - is simply another entity's "labor" budget...    THEN HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR 70% OF THE ECONOMY TO BE CONSUMPTION?

 

Saying this is PRECISELY saying that 20% of the economy was conjured from a hat!

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 16:32 | 6277704 ersatz007
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where's the other 10%?

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 16:22 | 6277679 A is A
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Window to raise rates is closing? That's like saying the window for pulling out of the AIDS victim you are fucking is closing...

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 16:38 | 6277729 Baronneke
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She will not raise rates until she is told so by her new  boss:  Goldman Sucks !!

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 18:04 | 6277946 adr
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So let me guess, the Fed rate goes to .25% and mortgage rates go to 8%.

Just like oil going from $45 to $60 sends gas to $3.00+

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 18:29 | 6278002 moneybots
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"In fact, there have been absolutely ZERO times in history that the Federal Reserve has began an interest rate hiking campaign that has not eventually led to a negative outcome."

 

Every cycle has a down phase, so that would be correct.  Every rate cutting campaign also eventually leads to a negative outcome.  The 2008 rate cutting campaign is leading into the next recession, just as much as a FED rate hike campaign will.  A number of recessionary indicators are in play, without a rate hike having happened yet.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 19:54 | 6278290 Mr. Bones
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6/6/2016 - Windows have been deemed too inexpensive.  Cathy Zoi's "Efficient Window SWAT teams" appointed to replace multi-paned glass with telscreens so the LCD repair woman can be enriched.  This has the additional benefit of creating more STEM jobs.  Due to the expected improvement in mood, the chocolate ration has been reduced 5g.

Mon, 07/06/2015 - 23:20 | 6278874 honestann
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Everyone everywhere is being totally faked out!  What is the REAL reason the federal reserve has been threatening to raise rates?

Answer:  The federal reserve has known the world economy is very close to the edge for months.  They know what remains of the market will force rates higher when the market realizes how much risk government bonds really involve (the EU providing some hints).

And so, the federal reserve wants to be able to pretend THEY are still in control of rates when rates rise.  So now, when rates are pushed higher because people don't want to receive even more negative returns as inflation takes off (due to foreign dollars running back home) and the real risk involved dawns upon them, the federal reserve can claim they adjusted rates higher.

All about pretending they are in total control, and that whatever they want, they get.

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