ive been reading Rickards Death of Money, and i feel sort of enlightened. the euro isnt a monetary union so much as a political solution to two thousand years of internecine warfare. angela is an east german, part of reconciliation. and i agree with Rickards i dont think the euro is going away. it may become obsolete before it is ever fully realized. the ecb has plenty of ghost finances, but it takes the chinese to actually build ghost cities. the us is pragmatic, they talk a good game but if it doesnt make sense they lose interest. (just like they will lose interest in obamacare) in america you dont have to fight every new plan, you just wait for it to die a natural death. america had a big flirtation with fascism in the 30s, there was a huge american nazi party. but thank goodness americans chose to keep it real. thats our real strength.
okay snake i said its our strength, didnt say it was good bad or indifferent. it has helped us avoid the same self destructive cycles of violence that europe periodically goes through.
Isnt the original photo of Bismark? And didn't Bismark finally achieve the unification of Germany, not the disintegration of Europe? Wasn't Bismark the founder of modern socialism while Merkel may preside over its demise?
"Modern socialism" presides over it's own demise. It is statist in its core...which to me is elitist to its core by extension. I don't see how that can be argued without some perverse belief that utopia can be achieved that can PERFECTLY keep sociopaths out of positions of power. At what point in human history has the common man had more influence over the levers of power for any substantial amount of time than elites? I can't think of any. The closest humans have come in any recorded history appears to be during the Enlightenment when various revolutions were won by what would be considered the middle and upper middle classes.
Why must some people here romanticize socialism, progressivism, etc. etc.? Why are people so deathly afraid of the individual and natural rights? Why do they clamor to be told what to do when there are plenty of options and examples showing that society will function best for the most if left to mechanisms of true free markets and the benefits of incentives?
I will never understand this fear people have of their own freedom.
LOL, how I love this little myth of Otto von Bismark being "the founder of modern socialism"
first, remember that he was a monarchist and a member of the Prussian nobility. conservative to the bone
second, his first political allies were liberals. though anti-Catholic liberals. and in order to appease them, he started a culture war against them (see Kulturkampf)
which he lost, in my opinion on purpose. and the end-result of this struggle was the very same Christian Democrat parties that populate most of the conservative spectrum in Europe, including their EU platform, the EPP
third, in order to beat the socialists, he made the laws of the Bismarkian "Welfare State". But have a look at those laws, and think for a moment:
- the Sickness Insurance Law of 1883 was, as the name implies, an insurance against sickness
- the Accident Insurance Law of 1884 is in the same category and
- the Old Age and Disability Insurance Law of 1889 covered disabilities and what we nowadays call pensions
Now I cannot speak for the USA, which I know too little. But in the rest of the world, this kind of "modern socialism" is not even recognized as socialism, or "progress". It's called "the basics"
and the principles of those laws... function. even wars, world wars and hyperinflations did not dent them
so, all in all, Bismark was not the "founder of modern socialism", he was conservative, and the founder of modern european conservativism (though few will admit that)
which is not what the US Republicans are, mind you. those, in the German Reich, would have been his early allies the National Liberal (Nationalliberale, National_Liberal_Party_(Germany))
the problem in understanding european politics from the point of view of US politics is that from the inverse point of view in the US, both parties are liberal, one with a National-Liberal wing and the other with a Social-Liberal wing
here, the three dimension of ideological politics form more, different parties, including the Social-Conservatives, the National-Conservatives, the "pure" Conservatives and so on, in a landscape of over one hundred political parties, in total
In 1881 Bismarck had also referred to this program as Staatssozialismus, when he made the following accurate prediction to a colleague:
"It is possible that all our politics will come to nothing when I am dead but state socialism will drub[force] itself in. (Der Staatssozialismus paukt sich durch.)"[7]
Bismarck's program centered squarely on insurance programs designed to increase productivity and focus the political attentions of German workers on supporting the Junker's government. The program included Health insurance, accident insurance (workman's compensation); disability insurance; and an old-age retirement Pension, none of which then in existence to any great degree.
I am no Bismarck expert, and perhaps compared to the modern, hopelessly mired in socialist dogma and propaganda Europeans, Bismarck may appear to have been a "conservative". But he was a statist for sure, and certainly not a believer in individual rights.
Ghordius then writes:
But in the rest of the world, this kind of "modern socialism" is not even recognized as socialism, or "progress". It's called "the basics"
Wrong answer Prussian state loving Euro-soldier. State mandated insurance programs, ala Obamacare, are not "the basics". They are a travesty against everyone who does not agree with them's Natural rights. People who oppose travesties like this transcend your "Conservative" Feindbildung. Just look how the right and the left in Greece are finally figuring this out. That Euroweenies like yourself cannot figure it will be no surprise to most of the readers of this blog.
ive been reading Rickards Death of Money, and i feel sort of enlightened. the euro isnt a monetary union so much as a political solution to two thousand years of internecine warfare. angela is an east german, part of reconciliation. and i agree with Rickards i dont think the euro is going away. it may become obsolete before it is ever fully realized. the ecb has plenty of ghost finances, but it takes the chinese to actually build ghost cities. the us is pragmatic, they talk a good game but if it doesnt make sense they lose interest. (just like they will lose interest in obamacare) in america you dont have to fight every new plan, you just wait for it to die a natural death. america had a big flirtation with fascism in the 30s, there was a huge american nazi party. but thank goodness americans chose to keep it real. thats our real strength.
Yeh, nice post until that last line;
'but thank goodness americans chose to keep it real. thats our real strength.'
Surely that's missing a 'sarc' tag?
okay snake i said its our strength, didnt say it was good bad or indifferent. it has helped us avoid the same self destructive cycles of violence that europe periodically goes through.
There's a difference in 'self destructive cycles of violence' and some outside force having a perpetuating hand in said violence.
Merkel - Shekel
They also Rhyme.
Just sayin'.
So does shekel mekel
Caption: "I'm your turbo lover. Tell me there's no other."
Presenting the Burgermeister, Meister Burger, not to be confused with the great Kubla Krauss
Mmmm .... Burgermeister ... Mayor McCheese's nickname ...
http://mcdonalds.wikia.com/wiki/Mayor_McCheese
Angela von Hellsfeuer, aka as Kaiser barack's EU Hund.
Isnt the original photo of Bismark? And didn't Bismark finally achieve the unification of Germany, not the disintegration of Europe? Wasn't Bismark the founder of modern socialism while Merkel may preside over its demise?
I guess I am missing something.
Ughhh.
"Modern socialism" presides over it's own demise. It is statist in its core...which to me is elitist to its core by extension. I don't see how that can be argued without some perverse belief that utopia can be achieved that can PERFECTLY keep sociopaths out of positions of power. At what point in human history has the common man had more influence over the levers of power for any substantial amount of time than elites? I can't think of any. The closest humans have come in any recorded history appears to be during the Enlightenment when various revolutions were won by what would be considered the middle and upper middle classes.
Why must some people here romanticize socialism, progressivism, etc. etc.? Why are people so deathly afraid of the individual and natural rights? Why do they clamor to be told what to do when there are plenty of options and examples showing that society will function best for the most if left to mechanisms of true free markets and the benefits of incentives?
I will never understand this fear people have of their own freedom.
LOL, how I love this little myth of Otto von Bismark being "the founder of modern socialism"
first, remember that he was a monarchist and a member of the Prussian nobility. conservative to the bone
second, his first political allies were liberals. though anti-Catholic liberals. and in order to appease them, he started a culture war against them (see Kulturkampf)
which he lost, in my opinion on purpose. and the end-result of this struggle was the very same Christian Democrat parties that populate most of the conservative spectrum in Europe, including their EU platform, the EPP
third, in order to beat the socialists, he made the laws of the Bismarkian "Welfare State". But have a look at those laws, and think for a moment:
- the Sickness Insurance Law of 1883 was, as the name implies, an insurance against sickness
- the Accident Insurance Law of 1884 is in the same category and
- the Old Age and Disability Insurance Law of 1889 covered disabilities and what we nowadays call pensions
Now I cannot speak for the USA, which I know too little. But in the rest of the world, this kind of "modern socialism" is not even recognized as socialism, or "progress". It's called "the basics"
and the principles of those laws... function. even wars, world wars and hyperinflations did not dent them
so, all in all, Bismark was not the "founder of modern socialism", he was conservative, and the founder of modern european conservativism (though few will admit that)
which is not what the US Republicans are, mind you. those, in the German Reich, would have been his early allies the National Liberal (Nationalliberale, National_Liberal_Party_(Germany))
the problem in understanding european politics from the point of view of US politics is that from the inverse point of view in the US, both parties are liberal, one with a National-Liberal wing and the other with a Social-Liberal wing
here, the three dimension of ideological politics form more, different parties, including the Social-Conservatives, the National-Conservatives, the "pure" Conservatives and so on, in a landscape of over one hundred political parties, in total
America has a Russian style Healthcare System only we call it CAPITALSIM.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_%28Germany%29
I am no Bismarck expert, and perhaps compared to the modern, hopelessly mired in socialist dogma and propaganda Europeans, Bismarck may appear to have been a "conservative". But he was a statist for sure, and certainly not a believer in individual rights.
Ghordius then writes:
Wrong answer Prussian state loving Euro-soldier. State mandated insurance programs, ala Obamacare, are not "the basics". They are a travesty against everyone who does not agree with them's Natural rights. People who oppose travesties like this transcend your "Conservative" Feindbildung. Just look how the right and the left in Greece are finally figuring this out. That Euroweenies like yourself cannot figure it will be no surprise to most of the readers of this blog.
True dat homey!
Yo Bimarko! U be JONESEN BRO!
I think you merely site the state of "progress" where the radicals of the past are viewed as the conservatives of today.
lol. no, it just means that many don't have a clue about the differences between liberal and conservative, in classical political terms
liberalism tends to ask for freedom (and less state). conservativism tends to ask for more order. socialism tends to ask for more equality
what you call conservatives are, presumably, the US or UK "liberal-conservatives", in classic terms. i.e. "more order and freedom with less state"
No, it is von Moltke, Chief of the German General Staff 1906-1914
"Got steam rolled by the Prussian General Staff."
His Dad was an interesting character though. "Did more than war" and in fact was more of an artist/academic.
CRUSHED Denmark though.
Junior was just carrying the luggage for Hindenburgh and Luddendorf...two of the most fearsome General's in Human History.
And from Luddendorf you get "the Stab in the Back Hypothesis" and Donald Trump!
SO WATCH FOR THAT TRUMP GUY!
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/07/ukraine-merges-nazis-and-islamists/
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/07/us-still-wont-confirm-israeli-nukes/
not *precisely* on topic, but related, and mostly, since I've got myself a junking shadow troll... figured I'd make him work...
slowtroll! here's a reward
Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
Instant classic ...
Almost, Wilhelm's mustache would at least cover her face a bit more......
Americans sum up European History in two words:
ARNOLD SCHWARZANEGGAR
Which isn't all bad although ironic since he is AUSTRIAN.
YOURE TERMINATED FUCKER!