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Varoufakis' Stunning Accusation: Schauble Wants A Grexit "To Put The Fear Of God" Into The French
Earlier we reported that Yanis Varoufakis, seemingly detained by "family reasons" would be unable to join his fellow parliamentarians and personally vote in what is likely the most important vote of Syriza's administration: the one in which he and his party capitulate to the Troika and vote "Yes" to the proposal he and Tsipras urged everyone to reject just one week ago.
Subsequently, it was made clear what these family reasons are:
The self-described “erratic Marxist” will be on the nearby holiday island of … Aegina. In fact, he Tweeted that he reason for his absence is “family reasons”. Nevertheless, two hours before his Tweet was posted, the once obscure academic was spotted on the ferry boat “Phivos”, headed for Aegina, where his wife owns a stylish vacation home.
The author of the “global Minotaur” nevertheless sent a letter to the Parliament president saying he would vote “yes” for the proposal, although the letter will not be counted, given that Parliament regulations stipulate that only deputies on official Parliament business are allowed to cast votes via correspondence.
Judgment aside about his decision to take a holiday from a vote that his strategy guided Greece into, it was clear that he has Wifi on the ferry because this afternoon, While V-Fak may well have been in transit, the Guardian released an Op-Ed penned by Varoufakis titled "Germany won’t spare Greek pain – it has an interest in breaking us." Readers can read it in its entirety here but here is the punchline:
This weekend brings the climax of the talks as Euclid Tsakalotos, my successor, strives, again, to put the horse before the cart – to convince a hostile Eurogroup that debt restructuring is a prerequisite of success for reforming Greece, not an ex-post reward for it. Why is this so hard to get across? I see three reasons.
One is that institutional inertia is hard to beat. A second, that unsustainable debt gives creditors immense power over debtors – and power, as we know, corrupts even the finest. But it is the third which seems to me more pertinent and, indeed, more interesting.
The euro is a hybrid of a fixed exchange-rate regime, like the 1980s ERM, or the 1930s gold standard, and a state currency. The former relies on the fear of expulsion to hold together, while state money involves mechanisms for recycling surpluses between member states (for instance, a federal budget, common bonds). The eurozone falls between these stools – it is more than an exchange-rate regime and less than a state.
And there’s the rub. After the crisis of 2008/9, Europe didn’t know how to respond. Should it prepare the ground for at least one expulsion (that is, Grexit) to strengthen discipline? Or move to a federation? So far it has done neither, its existentialist angst forever rising. Schäuble is convinced that as things stand, he needs a Grexit to clear the air, one way or another. Suddenly, a permanently unsustainable Greek public debt, without which the risk of Grexit would fade, has acquired a new usefulness for Schauble.
What do I mean by that? Based on months of negotiation, my conviction is that the German finance minister wants Greece to be pushed out of the single currency to put the fear of God into the French and have them accept his model of a disciplinarian eurozone.
He does have a point: Recall "Forget Grexit, "Madame Frexit" Says France Is Next: French Presidential Frontrunner Wants Out Of "Failed" Euro." So perhaps making an example of the social collapse that would result from a Eurozone exit, would be seen a good lesson for French voters ahead of the 2017 French presidential elections in Schauble's mind
But is Varoufakis right? Perhaps ... but also recall this from the FT in 2014 recalling Europe's first formulation of Plan Z:
To the astonishment of almost everyone in the room, Angela Merkel began to cry.
“Das ist nicht fair.” That is not fair, the German chancellor said angrily, tears welling in her eyes. “Ich bringe mich nicht selbst um.” I am not going to commit suicide.
For those who witnessed the breakdown in a small conference room in the French seaside resort of Cannes, it was shocking enough to watch Europe’s most powerful and emotionally controlled leader brought to tears.
But the scene was even more remarkable, those present said, for the two objects of her ire: the man sitting next to her, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, and the other across the table, US President Barack Obama.
Greece was imploding politically; Italy, a country too big to bail out, appeared just days away from being cut off from global financial markets; and Ms Merkel, try as Mr Sarkozy and Mr Obama might, could not be convinced to increase German contributions to the eurozone’s “firewall” – the “big bazooka” or “wall of money” they believed had to grow dramatically to fend off attacks by panicking bond traders.
Instead, a cornered Ms Merkel threw the French and American criticism back in their faces. If Mr Sarkozy or Mr Obama did not like the way her government ran, they had only themselves to blame. After all, it was their allied militaries that had “imposed” the German constitution on a defeated wartime foe six decades earlier.
“It was the point where clearly the eurozone as we know it could have exploded,” said a member of the French delegation at Cannes. “It was the feeling [that with] the contagion, at this point, you were on the brink of explosion.”
Will this time Merkel risk the explosion of the Eurozone with her own actions: her biggest historic legacy? Probably not, and while Schauble has much sway, it is still Merkel's word over his.
No, Varoufakis may be right about Greece being made an example of (unless he is merely trying to deflect blame from himself for putting Greece in this position and for conspicuously avoiding voting for a plan he himself derided untilt the end), but the one person who will decide the future of Greece in the Eurozone is neither Schauble nor Merkel but Mario Draghi, also known as Goldman Sachs. Because if Goldman wants more Q€, it will get more Q€.
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Frexit
OXI means OXI DAMMIT !!!!
One scoop in every load of revolution is all you need!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTpXh33Mbeg
Schauble might have to do a little more work there..
the French don’t much believe in God anymore.
There is probably some truth in this,
but it's also true that the Germans got tired of five years of lies and can kicking from the goat fuckers.
Varoufakis is a complete lying weasel.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/04/15/gree-a15.html
"... His views were shaped while he was studying in Britain during the 1980s Conservative government of Margaret Thatcher. Varoufakis acknowledged he was bowled over by Thatcherism, which he considered an unstoppable force. ...
...In his interview with Bloomberg, Varoufakis said Syriza was committed to a primary budget surplus, stipulating only that “this should not be excessive because it will crush the private sector.”
Syriza wanted to pay back all the debt owed by the Greek state and there should be “a rationalization on the different slices of the Greek debt without any haircuts for anyone but in a way that maximizes the amount of value that our creditors will get back from the Greek state,” (emphasis added).
Syriza’s austerity agenda means that it is heading for a head-on collision with the Greek working class. He was asked whether the government was prepared for a “political backlash … from the real people of Greece.
“The risk is that you boys and girls take a bit of a smack from the people of Greece. Are you prepared for that?”
He replied, “We wouldn’t be fit for the purpose if we were not prepared to take the political costs which are necessary to stabilize Greece and lead it to growth…”
What is Varoufakis saying?
The devastating austerity implemented in Greece over the last five years has resulted in the pauperisation of millions of people. Official unemployment remains above 25 percent. Hundreds of thousands of families have no source of income and rely on food banks and charities. Three million people, out of a population of 11 million, have no access to state funded health care.
It is under these conditions that Varoufakis is insisting that Syriza, as he said previously, will “squeeze blood out of stone” to repay its creditors. ..."
Is your claim then that Herr Schaeubel does not want to put the fear of God into the French by forcing a Greek exit?
Your post is a little unclear on that point.
Hell, the Germans could terrify the French by sitting two 80 year old geezers with a 12 pack of beer and Mausers at a border crossing.
Bo
Varoufakis is and has been for austerity and no haircuts.
He is controlled opposition.
Notice the French are on "help them out" side of the fence. GEUrmany soon alone?
Tsipras is controlled opposition as well.
It is the Germans and the Greek politicians vs the Greeks.
Prof. Leuren Moret is often interviewed on the ongoing Fukushima crisis but also is an expert in History. Her latest interview with Alfred L. Weber covers Tspiras'' background as one of the 13 families that control the world.
Did you see his look of bewilderment when Nigel Farage was urging Greece to go full Iceland?
I was studying his face. I will give you this, the expressions did not look like a man who felt supported. He was repressing something. No smiles. No brightening face. No nods of affirmation. Just kind of clemped up. Glad someone else saw that mismatch between affect and the situation.
Or he looked at Farage as someone who was complicating Tsipras' life given what Tsipras was going to do.
If this article is true, here's a mind bender: Perhaps Tsipras didn't want his citizens to vote NO and Schauble didn't want them to vote YES.
Your bender works for me...
"To Put The Fear Of God" Into The French"
And in this case... "God" is Rothschild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uldpQpoZQM
While "...German and Greek politicians vs the Greek people..." floats on the surface (many warned weeks before the vote);
the rotten core may have moar to it, as zerohead pointed out in another thread, uni- vs multi-polar.
The 1-2 punch of T+V, evolved to one-in, one-outside (kabuki actors)...Suddenly, PiiS-FU is developing; to join the multi-camp vs the Uk-Us-uni-camp is, a real possibilty?
It's important to put the fear of God into the French. Those snail-eating smelly rats need the occasional kick in the ass. Plus I have croissants and creamy food. Bastards.
any idiot here believe that french gonna exit is just a top notch world class fucktard.
frenchs have the tong in the ass of germany. germany 's tong in UK's ass, and UK's tong in USA's ass.
dozen kg of C4 been stolen with 150 electrical detonators + 40 grenades in a MILITARY SUPPLY.
in any time of any rebellion about any financial themes , immediate attentat to decoy the public attention is triggered.
1st in charlie, next in the beheading, i tell you french gonna have another blown BEFORE OCTOBER.
100% accurate.
Links?
Go Bender! Go Bender! :>D
I Lol-ed
Tsipras looked like Nigel dumped a steamer on his lap and he didn't have a tissue to remove it.
Those were my thoughts exactly. Furthermore I feel Farage knew that what he was saying made him feel uncomfortable. Farage has more brains than all the clowns in that room put together have. I think he smelled a rat.
Farage is one of the global elite, same as Putin is; anyone who thinks otherwise is sadly suffering from the delusion that brain washing causes
Do you have a link to that interview please WW? Nothing coming up on search engines...thnx.
ZH article:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-09/nigel-farage-destroys-eu-group-...
Thnx MsC, have seen that Farage clip, was asking for "Prof. Leuren Moret interview with Alfred L. Weber covers Tspiras'' background as one of the 13 families that control the world." Would inform research on Tsiparis' position...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCx9IAHotrI
skip to 19:00 'ish and read the comments
Thnx DR
Sorry about that.
It is the Germans and the Greek politicians vs the Greeks.
It is the Germans, the Greek politicians and the Greek Oligarchy (that is thriving under the status quo) vs the Greek Proles.
FIFY
Pinto,why the down arrows?
Frexit is the plan, load up with debt and then leave the pile of pooh for the Germans to sort out
Frexit is the plan, load up with debt and then leave the pile of pooh for the Germans to sort out
Woa! Woa! Woa! Did you read the article? He says, first off, he wants debt relief. What's wrong with debt relief? In my opinion, this is the first and most important point for Greece. Greece never should have had this odious debt dumped on it in the first place. Greece was convenient because her dual citizen pols were easy to wrangle.
After debt relief, repudiation would be better, the Greek state has to live within its means, aka. Austerity.
Varoufakis is giving Schauble cover. After the EU of R, after liberation, they'll reminisce ... over voldka shots.
Vote happening now. Not looking good thus far, still a ways to go:
Live Vote of Greek Parliament for Tsipras Bailout Program (Video)And the vote looks like it passes but Syriza will lose power.
The banksters win again...Hilarious.
Hey John, Fuck you old fart.
Last time i crossed 3 Germans i told them they where " FUCKERS " for stealing the world cup.
One went " fuckers ?" , i said yes you guys are fuckers . cric cri cri cric.
I'm 47 , these dudes where in there early 20's . They ,,as you ,, are f wimps;, so eat me with your WW!! jokes mother fucker.
That's never been hard to do
Obama told them both NSA direktor wanted to make sure Germany and France had the fear of God in them; Sarkozy squealed "oui oui oui" and Merkel spun a bearing.
I believe Varoufakis. This is one conspiracy theory that will probably end up being fact.
I agree with him. Once the rest of the "debtor nations" see the agony Greece goes thru, there will be NO CHANCE of contagion.
Right booger, but you have to look outside the petri dish. Greece and Greeks did well with the old Silk Road. Cue picture of Vlad eating popcorn.
Wait, wait...I thought the French didn't believe in God.
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Be careful there is alot of man love around here for Y-ANUS.
There is. And that shit is getting old. He is a self professed Marxist, and half the people on ZH chub up at the mention of his name. Give the Greeks a 100% debt write off, wipe the slate clean, they STILL wouldn't be able to support their massive welfare state without borrowing money again. With people like y-anus in charge, they would just be in the EXACT SAME situation a few years down the road, because that's what happens when you keep electing socialists who make unrealistic promises all the time. You guys seem to be forgetting what 'anti-austerity' means. He isn't proposing anything new. "The govt is going to spend a shitload of money and take care of all of you forever" is the promise, and at this point, in Greece, the ONLY WAY that can be done is by borrowing more money, which is exactly what got them into this mess
Call me when he mentions the evils of debt based fiat money conjured out of this air and calls for a return to sound money.
Call me when he mentions the evils of debt based fiat money conjured out of this air and calls for a return to sound money.
We can split the cost of a 1-800 number and we can check the messages every week and we will never receive a message.
At long last I have a serial juncker. Thank you.
It puts the lotion on the keyboard.
Guess I should have said 'post when he says something like that'
People need to learn the deferintiate between someone who merely gives the bankers the finger (which is obviously a good thing) and someone who is actually saying something different. This guy is just a shyster and freeloader who wants to keep the socialist dream of free shit going as long as possible. If he gets his way, it will not change a fucking thing in the long run, just put off the day of reckoning a little longer, and make it that much worse when it finally happens, and it will happen
Relax. The verdict is not in yet. Maybe he's a patriot, guiding Greece to escape. Up thread, he's getting grief for advocating austerity, but if you read the article, yes he's for austerity ... after debt relief, which is a nice way to say repudiation. What's wrong with austerity after debt default? Austerity translates into cutting back on government.
Yes there is the con that is debt based money, conjured out of thin air and then [nothing is] loaned out for interest payments. Agreed. But its a dangerous world for truth speakers. Give the guy a break. He's moving the ball.
Varoufakis has basic grade-school mathematics ability, unlike the Greek public.
Unsustainable is unsustainable. That being said, his policy vision is (was) as bad if not worse. Leftists are strong on critique, but nothing else.
Sounds like you think Greece deserves a free ride, so why not pay for it yourself?
The bigger question is why Germany finds it so difficult to just say, "Ja, we forgive much of but not all of your debts, Greece, andt there is no more future money for you. You had a chance, many chances before, but you blew it.
Now, we will lighten your debt load, but you will have to pay your own bills.
Because in order to write off their debt, it would essentially require an actual 'out in the open' bank bailout and I don't think the German people would take that very well. Much easier to keep having them blame the Greeks.
We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.
Albert Einstein
Varoufakis has basic grade-school mathematics ability, unlike the Greek public.
Greece produced the two greatest mathematicians in history and continues to have great mathematicians actively working today.
Greece is also not much behind the US in current math evaluations in spite of the economic turmoil.
Come on now, though Euclid and Archimedes were very important for geometry, but not the greatest in history. Recall at that time even the notion of zero of absent and well and any algebraic ideas. Karl Gauss and Henri Poincare eclipse them completely.
nobody gives a shit about the so called 'greatest mathematicians in history' for this math problem. Id imagine there are over a billion in the world who could work the math behind it if you sat them down and actually made them think about it.
1. Which number is bigger?
2. Which is getting bigger faster? (will they ever intersect?)
Re Pinto:
A posting documenting where he says it himself. Everyone wants the two of them to be their rebels hero's and cannot see what they have done. They gave the pension money away to the creditors, they tried to give all the reserves on the local govts but the local govts wisely refused to comply, they even tried to hire tourists to spy on their own citizens. All the while the loans go to the creditors with new collateral requirements that the common greek people are obligatged for.
Game theory, yes. But it is being directed AT the greek people while these two serve the bankers.
Controlled opposition, yes (even worse I think). Golden Dawn was demonized, prosecuted with false charges and made out to be nazis using the controlled media. All to allow for these two to be in a position to play this game.
But they drive motorcycles while wearing leather jackets, do not wear ties and (Shocker) sometimes do not tuck in their shirt tails.
Despite what the two have actually done, are doing and the documentation such as shown by Pinto, they will still be admired by their groupies as rebels.
It's an impossible situation. The government took slack for paying the creditors with the pension money and also took slack for the reverse, defaulting on the IMF in order to pay pensions. The local "govts" are actually the municipalities in Greece, which are considered to be one of the most corrupt part of the state, hiring tourists was never attempted.
Golden Dawn was persecuted by the previous governments in order to contain their popularity, they are being persecuted at the moment and I'm not sure the charges have proven false (criminal organization).
Anyone who is actually advocating leaving the EU is a step in the right direction at least. It's easy to toss around the word 'nazi' at people, since it's instant demonization and no one will want to say anything good about them after that label sticks.
Just look at the US. Anyone who didn't want bob and Steve to get married got the same shit.
gc, if he gets them out of the Euro without anybody being killed, he is a success in my book.
that's "took flak'...as in "anti-aircraft fire"
That bothered me, too.
Despite what the two have actually done, are doing and the documentation such as shown by Pinto, they will still be admired by their groupies as rebels.
This world is populated by a large number of nutters. Some still worship socialism after decades of failure. Some still have admiration for Che and wear his likeness on their clothing. These guys will also have their admirers, in spite of the nonsense lies and failures.Fiat money 'debt' is an illusion and a fraud.
If banksters 'loan' "your country" (whatever the hell that really means) nothing - made up outta thin air - are you really going to make your elderly mother survive off of canned cat food to "pay them back" ?
Really ?
Dump your brainwashing folks - or you're dead meat.
If we don't dump the brainwashing, it only proves that we are dead meat --- from the neck up, anyway.
Goats can't hear as well as sheep
"Why to they wear kilts in Scotland? Sheep can hear the sound of a zipper at 50 paces"
"Schäuble is convinced that as things stand, he needs a Grexit to clear the air, one way or another. Suddenly, a permanently unsustainable Greek public debt, without which the risk of Grexit would fade, has acquired a new usefulness for Schauble. What do I mean by that? Based on months of negotiation, my conviction is that the German finance minister wants Greece to be pushed out of the single currency to put the fear of God into the French and have them accept his model of a disciplinarian eurozone."
There is a part of the EZ constitution which every country agreed to on admittance. It limits government deficits. It is not a Schauble imposed arbitrary requirement. It is one of the provisions which Greeks democratically voted to abide by when joining the EU.
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or how about OxiClean
http://www.oxiclean.com/
OXI is Omicron, Chi, Iota, and is pronounced as Okay....affirmative.
NAI is Nu, Alpha, Iota, and is pronunced as Nay...rejected.
But I do not speak Greek so what do I know?
Oxi-moron works for this mess. Do you think Tsipras has a job waiting for him at Carlyle?
Nien! Nien! Nien!
do you mean "Nein"?
InjectTheVenom...
The Greek Referendum for approval of the EU Austerity and reform measures was REJECTED. The vote was for NAI last weekend, with 62% voting NAI..
OXI means YES and NAI means NO.
No, NAI does NOT mean OXI, and having Syriza voting against the electorate's wishes.
Tsipras and Syriza are committing Political Suicide.
You are backwards:
NAI means Yes
OXI means No
61.31% of the vote was for OXI
You are correct.
good ...Frexit will get things a whole lot closer to Fuckit for the whole eurozone fiasco.
Just Gerxit and then it's end of the story.
SPOT. ON BUNGA BUNGA!
To use simply LOGIC I need only prove the opposite of truth to prove truth so...AND SO WE SHALL SEE.
If Greece is GREXITED ... THEN THAT IS THAT!
IF THERE IS A SWEATY WAD OF 700 BILLION EURO....
THEN THAT IS THAT TOO.
Either way..."something will be proven true here for Greece."
THUS!....WE NEED NOT HAVE ANNNNY OPINION ON THE MATTER WHATSOEVER (unless we are Greek.)
In short...WE WILL SIMPLY KNOW.
After that? Who knows...though I think a good argument can be made that "Grexiting" does matter.
How many articles will the Tylers' put out if it got to Gerexit...
10000?
That would not be complicated enough. If something were easy to understand, and easy to do, everyone would do it. Nah, this requires some specially-creative-intellectually-dishonest thinking to get it just right to be super painful for all involved.
OXI = QE for EU.
I have no idea why ZH would call this "stunning." Many commentators have been saying this exact thing (substitute Portugal or Italy or Spain for France) for quite some time.
The whole point of this exercise for the Germans has been to impose their view of the eurozone on the rest of the EU and also to scare the bejeebers out of the peripherals. If it's taken us this long to figure it out, we're not very clever...
It is interesting to note if true "ain't much to that whole German War Guilt" thingy.
Clearly they feel like they paid their dues...thus having them March off to face the Russins again on he Eastern Front shouldn't be a problem either.
As usual "the Americans are already there" so....we'll be WAITING.
Yeah, but it matters because it's 'Fakis sayin' it.
Much like how Snowden (the snow job) gave out all sorts of OLD info on how the NSA is illegally spying on citizens all the time, but it matters (from him and not others) 'cos he's a media-defined hero psy-op, dontcha know.
But getting back to 'Fakis, he also wears a vintage leather jacket when he gives old dudes rides on his motorcycle - so cool! It really makes me want to know more about his opinions on banskter politics, 'cos he seems so 'different' than, say, Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush.
I'm sure he would tell us the whole truth about his German banksters co-puppets without holding anything back... LOL.
Babaloo, I have questions, maybe you or anyone else who wants can shed some light...
Remember that old saying about having the gold and making the rules? Why do the people here keep buying gold if not to 'rule' economically at some point? Germany has the 'gold', why is everyone surprised that they want to make the rules?
Funny how a lot of people wanted Greece to exit, but if Germany wants it too, they say it's bad. Make up your minds. It's either good or bad for Greece no matter what the fuck Germany wants.
What did OXI mean? I thought it meant "we'd rather exit than deal with the EU".
Why do people keep talking about austerity when Greece spends 56% of its budget on government? No wonder there's not enough money left to pay for much else, including debt reduction! There's been no austerity, except in the private sector.
OXI was a vote for accepting the EU proposal.
NAI was the vote for rejecting the EU proposal.
The NAI vote won out last Sunday. The Greek electorate rejected the EU proposal with 62% rejecting. It was a landside.
Then Tsipras FIRES Varoufakis as the Finance Minister and proceeds to attempt to make a deal with the EU without the overwhelming electorate support...which he had won last Sunday.
Furthermore Tsipras was disappointed that the NAI vote was successful as he wanted to RESIGN and had planned to do so.
He was shocked that the People did not want to deal with the EU...yet he runs on that platform and gets elected in January?
He is fucking INSANE.
So Tsipras and the Syriza Party are now taking on the Socratic Role and DRINKING THE GOD DAMNED HEMLOCK...committing Political Suicide, perhaps as they want to be remembered as "Martyrs for the cause..." or some such BULLSHIT.
This is nothing more than COMEDY...yeah, a Tragic Comedy...but still comedy.
Fucking crazy, ass fucking, Greek Politicians. I guess that being sodomized as babies must do something to their psyches...fucking feminized pederasts.
Would have liked to hear some rebuttal from the down-voter.. Anyway...
I won't pretend to KNOW what's ih the heads of all these people. Let's be honest here, this is high-stakes poker, you really don't telegraphy your hand! Every "side," no matter whether you think that this person or that person is on some "other" side, is negotiating for least damage. And keep in mind that there WILL be damage.
Given that no one is really going to tip their hand I would like to note that there is a possibility that Tsipras knows that the jackals are going to enter Greece regardless. The mobsters (the real powers) are going to create total political chaos in Greece in order to sweep in and grab all that's not nailed down. There won't be a government in Greece that'll have ANY power to stop the raping, because it'll be so strongly divided (gee, isn't this warfare 101?). Is he, Tsipras, selling out? I'm not thinking that he's got a future in any direction he takes: he will nonetheless take the final blame- the Greeks won't really know that they'd be picked apart no matter what Tsipras does.
Greece was a sub-prime loan. They were used to jack up book values of Goldman Sacks and the like. The laws all got set up to make this easy pickings: to the poster who stated that the Greeks didn't have to accept all the money, well, as happened with all the smaller banking institutions in the US (I can speak to this because I am in the US and I saw and know what happened), was that if they didn't play the game like the others wanted then they'd be essentially pushed out of the market: had to play the same shitty game, knowing that if you didn't it would be game over right at the start- and keep in mind that would be hard to do when TPTB need you in the game in order to make their money, they'd create all sorts of political instability such that they'd get the people to demand/beg for it!
All stated, it's still all moot. Everyone is at the glue factory- believing that we can have perpetual growth on a finite planet (which is the trick played on all us suckers by TPTB [they live off this]) has ensured that we run headlong into this building. Yeah, like TPTB gives a shit about the Greeks? This "failure" point (always to come) becomes the "emperor is wearing no clothes" moment, it exposes the world's powerful for conning us all on the Big Ponzi (perpetual growth on a finite planet).
I am backwards on my OXI and NAI.
I also junked myself.
They care only to make an example of Greece... so things will get much worse. You need to scare the crap out of those who are still in the union.
n/t
The German people never voted for the EU. Perhaps many want to get out of it? Perhaps Schauble represents this faction?
This is all becoming so X-rated
Becoming?
While everyone else eats popcorn, I can't stand the shit.
But I've already gone through ten pounds of pistachios in the last two weeks.
Looks like I should load up on another fifty pounds pretty soon.
Hey, there's only so much moola to go around: Greece gone, more for the rest of the PI(G)S.
Grexit and Frexit would be the beginning, eventually leading to USexit.
comments in this section are always very very fierce, arrogant at times.
Finance is interlinked and the vast majority of the people commenting here is debt-laden or debt depending.
So it doesnt sound logical to laugh about a debt-imploding country, since US is nothing different.
Yeah i know, my posture will get me in the arena to be crucified and ditched.
I have wide bold shoulders, i am debt free, so i am in the position to write this clear.
Western countries are all debt.based. they will all succumb.
then, if somebody feels better knowing their turn will come last. i still dont see any positivness in it.
So i wish a nice clear default to all of us. It will take the crap out of society.
regards.
Let's see, an "erratic Marxist" willing to vote "yes", fleeing during a critical moment in greek history. Why does anyone respect Varoufakis?
The banksters own the politico class.
Now this is the kind of game theory I expected ...... Let's blow this whole shit pile up !!!!
I hope you don't mind if I stand at some distance from the epicentre?
I think everyone will either be spattered or dead. If you think about the nature of the cycle of life, we all eat shit. Compost is excellent for new growth. If there is no destruction, there are no resources for renewal.
Bring on the shit show. But yeah, I'll stand with you. No sense in having a front row seat.
Just walked the back 40 (ha) and some quadruped sumbitch decided it was okay to munch on our cucs and cauliflower. Well Bambi, two can play at that game....
Just put some cauliflower in the oven to roast. Little bacon, balsamic vinegar, garlic, salt, pepper, onion. The house smells like heaven.
Venison on your menu?
The French already fear Allah, so....
Blasphemy is a victimless crime.
Spoken like a true commie. Tell us, how do you reconcile being an atheist when communism is a religion?
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Buh-bye! Our comment above is not at all a slam on our French brothers and sisters, but a warning that multi-culturalism is a cancer foisted upon only white countries.
You know I love you, we have shared a good number of laughs. I have laughed so hard with you I have been in tears.
Here is the thing, when the US invades the lands of brown people and tries to take their oil, are we not foisting our culture on the muslims? And if you were them, would you not be bent too? And hate all the destruction we were bringing to the culture?
Guess I wanted to point out that we (whitey) foist our multi-culturalism on them, and it is quite cancer like for them. We rape and steal too. They feel polluted by us, too.
But that wasn't us! It was the RothskchildefellerMorgan MIC. The average American didn't want to hurt anyone. We were too busy working hard and enjoying the fruits of our labor.
I hear you, but we consume some of the fruits of the MIC's labor. We can't help it. Unless we throw the bastards out and make them stop, or stop consuming, we are part of it.
I was just pointing out that Muzzies impose culture on us when they arrive, and we sure as shit impose it on them when we arrive.
It's all fucked.
The Empire of Chaos is driving the EZ /MENA refugee crisis.
He drives a Red Mini. I rest my case. Pusscake extrordinaire.
Hey you would drive a Mini if you paid $9.00 a gallon.
I'd rather ride a bike - or, I'd rather cut my right arm off than drive a mini
Oh I don't know Mini Cooper 0-60 8.4 secs 62 MPG.
" In August 1959 that small car was launched as the Morris Mini Minor and the Austin Seven. It wasn't until 1961 that it was renamed the Austin Mini, and eight years after that Mini became a marque in its own right."
"Issigonis’s design broke the mould, with its transverse-engine, front-wheel-drive layout and incredibly compact dimensions. It revolutionised the small car and became the best-selling British car in history, with a production run of 5.3 million units. Production ran until 2000."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/car-manufacturers/mini/10456893/Mini...
Don't own one, never have, but that car deserves respect. Just because a bunch of hipsters ruined its image, and marxists, doesn't have anything to do with its great history.
Issigonis's heritage has a bit of a cult status amongst greeks educated in britain
You forgot to mention it is now owned by BMW. British design heritage conjoined with German engineering. I have never driven one but the Mini has a reputation of sticking to the road like shit to a shovel.
lol, that crap doesn't stick to anything, center of gravity is high for a small car.
now a peugeot RCZ R does "stick:" for your info.
It just needs a "Kick Their Ass And Take Their Gas" bumper sticker and a ".357 Aboard" window sticker.
Never. It is a pussmobile. I would have a motorcycle and an ole piece of shit car for the winter months...or when I need to carry passengers.
He does have a motorcycle. Maybe it's his wife's car. In any case, who cares.
Mini Coopers are for faggolas and Betas.
eco les quoi //
and that is NOT French.
Typical "American" mindset, totally unable to understand the circumstances of others. If you've ever driven over there you'd know that having a behemoth vehicle sucks, all the really narrow roads and such, one WOULD be better off with a bicycle (and depending on where you're at, a bicycle would be a LOT faster to get around on).
I live out in the country, surrounded by big 4x4s (mine included), so no crowded feeling for me...
Nothing wrong with driving a Mini in Greece. They have old narrow streets so small vehicles are most practical.
I would be more inclined to criticize him if he was driving a Hummer or some giant American SUV.
A friend told me today he gets 35 MPG from his new all wheel drive Subaru.
Peak oil prices, beechez;)
My last car got 35mpg. I didn't feel that was good enough (for what lies ahead), so I got something that does 40% better (and no payments, low insurance costs, I can work on it myself, and it uses the same fuel that my truck and tractor uses).
I paid $1,200 for a 2000 Hyundai Allente (or some shit like that)...I'm getting 36 mpg on it. Has absolutely no acceleration, but once it's gotten enough rice in the hopper it levels down and keeps moving. 36 mpg is a bit more than the 8 mpg my 2000 Chevy 2500 truck was getting (traded it to son for my old kia to save him money). $1,200 against my six mile round trip commute is a pretty quick payback vs the truck.
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smoke a joint dude.
He does ride.
Yeah, he rides the Draghi 1200CC analglide.
Damn philo, your on a run. Hit the bar a little early, I gather. It's shitty being slammed on by the old lady.
Close. Wife took the kid to a kids' party. I am here with Dr. J. Walker going through all of my sales calls for next week. Sometimes a man just needs to have a few drinks in peace. I opened all of the fucking windows so that I can smoke a couple of cigs without getting busted.
Minis are great. Perfect car for Europe's short trips, and no gas guzzler on top.
The very opposite of the US "moar"philosophy that's sucking the world in like a hoover gone mad.
And cool on top. But only meant for refined people, which rules out 'Murikans.
Too bad they have such a crappy reliability... the Minis, I mean.
Huh? Isn't this a British product (originally)?
The Mini is just another modern marketing gimick. But yeah, over in Europe it's a bit more crowded to drive, so small makes perfect sense (though, there are other small cars that get a lot better fuel mileage).
I'ts German now, the irony....
sometimes smaller is also "moar ", like in your case, and i don't think
minis are for refined people!
Maybe if your are some spa manager in some shity hotel in Cancun .
i dont want to see another story about this treasonous, cowarldy, motorcycle riding, 3 card monte acting ass mother fucker.....
just like sniches, bitches should bet stiches as well....
Don't forget his wife jumped in front of him to stop him from getting beat up !!!
Well, that's a pretty stupid comment! A spouse should look to protect the other spouse at all times, it's called "team work." But I forget, everyone here is playing the macho thing (even though all the macho shit is mostly BS- yeah, the Wild West of the US saw women defend the homestead while the husbands were off; but, here we go, it doesn't sound macho, so...)
I'm glad that I don't have to resort to calling others pussies in order to "prove" my manhood. Sometimes this place differs only superficially from the Jerry Springer show...
Hey hey.. Nothing wrong with being a biker. Vourafuckass would be the kind of guy who has his bike shipped to Sturgis and ride around in a tank top with a removeable tattoo. Yeah, he would also be the asshole who tips his bike while sober.
"Nothing wrong with being a biker"
A biker???!!!!
For crying out loud, he rides a motor scooter!!!
Probably true. If I were in Europe and wanted to create the illusuion of being cool I would buy a Triumph. That or an old BSA,,,,not fully restored....but lived in.
Philo
If you know anything about BSA's then you must be one hell of a mechanic.