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Guest Post: A Coming Era Of Civil Disobedience?
Submitted by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,
The Oklahoma Supreme Court, in a 7-2 decision, has ordered a monument of the Ten Commandments removed from the Capitol.
Calling the Commandments “religious in nature and an integral part of the Jewish and Christian faiths,” the court said the monument must go.
Gov. Mary Fallin has refused. And Oklahoma lawmakers instead have filed legislation to let voters cut out of their constitution the specific article the justices invoked. Some legislators want the justices impeached.
Fallin’s action seems a harbinger of what is to come in America — an era of civil disobedience like the 1960s, where court orders are defied and laws ignored in the name of conscience and a higher law.
Only this time, the rebellion is likely to arise from the right.
Certainly, Americans are no strangers to lawbreaking. What else was our revolution but a rebellion to overthrow the centuries-old rule and law of king and Parliament, and establish our own?
U.S. Supreme Court decisions have been defied, and those who defied them lionized by modernity. Thomas Jefferson freed all imprisoned under the sedition act, including those convicted in court trials presided over by Supreme Court justices. Jefferson then declared the law dead.
Some Americans want to replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill with Harriet Tubman, who, defying the Dred Scott decision and fugitive slave acts, led slaves to freedom on the Underground Railroad.
New England abolitionists backed the anti-slavery fanatic John Brown, who conducted the raid on Harpers Ferry that got him hanged but helped to precipitate a Civil War. That war was fought over whether 11 Southern states had the same right to break free of Mr. Lincoln’s Union as the 13 colonies did to break free of George III’s England.
Millions of Americans, with untroubled consciences, defied the Volstead Act, imbibed alcohol and brought an end to Prohibition.
In the civil rights era, defying laws mandating segregation and ignoring court orders banning demonstrations became badges of honor.
Rosa Parks is a heroine because she refused to give up her seat on a Birmingham bus, despite the laws segregating public transit that relegated blacks to the “back of the bus.”
In “Letter from Birmingham Jail,” Dr. King, defending civil disobedience, cited Augustine — “an unjust law is no law at all” — and Aquinas who defined an unjust law as “a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law.”
Said King, “one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
But who decides what is an “unjust law”?
If, for example, one believes that abortion is the killing of an unborn child and same-sex marriage is an abomination that violates “eternal law and natural law,” do those who believe this not have a moral right if not a “moral responsibility to disobey such laws”?
Rosa Parks is celebrated.
But the pizza lady who said her Christian beliefs would not permit her to cater a same-sex wedding was declared a bigot. And the LGBT crowd, crowing over its Supreme Court triumph, is writing legislation to make it a violation of federal civil rights law for that lady to refuse to cater that wedding.
But are people who celebrate the Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village as the Mount Sinai moment of their movement really standing on solid ground to demand that we all respect the Obergefell decision as holy writ?
And if cities, states or Congress enact laws that make it a crime not to rent to homosexuals, or to refuse services at celebrations of their unions, would not dissenting Christians stand on the same moral ground as Dr. King if they disobeyed those laws?
Already, some businesses have refused to comply with the Obamacare mandate to provide contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs to their employees. Priests and pastors are going to refuse to perform same-sex marriages. Churches and chapels will refuse to host them. Christian colleges and universities will deny married-couple facilities to homosexuals.
Laws will be passed to outlaw such practices as discrimination, and those laws, which the Christians believe violate eternal law and natural law, will, as Dr. King instructed, be disobeyed.
And the removal of tax exemptions will then be on the table.
If a family disagreed as broadly as we Americans do on issues so fundamental as right and wrong, good and evil, the family would fall apart, the couple would divorce, and the children would go their separate ways.
Something like that is happening in the country.
A secession of the heart has already taken place in America, and a secession, not of states, but of people from one another, caused by divisions on social, moral, cultural, and political views and values, is taking place.
America is disuniting, Arthur Schlesinger Jr. wrote 25 years ago.
And for those who, when young, rejected the views, values and laws of Eisenhower’s America, what makes them think that dissenting Americans in this post-Christian and anti-Christian era will accept their laws, beliefs, values?
Why should they?
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If I want to live by religious rule, I'll move to some other shithole.
Having these inside the halls of government only gives them more of an air of authority.
This article is like when 5 chefs try and make a soup each by adding their own stuff. You end up with stuff like I made in college.
I guess I'll take a shot at some of these:
Marriage. A tripartite contract between two consenting adults and the state. Whether you have a ceromony in a church or Vegas the crux is that it IS a contract. Let fags enter into this or remove all benefits associated with said contract.
Forced service: WTF? I should be able to refuse service to you for any reason I choose.
The state not following the law: Another WTF that is cheered. Why do I have to follow the law when the state does not?
In short, remove the ability of the government to print currency and all this shit goes away. Generations of leeches (both individual and corporate) fall by the wayside. Unjust laws have no money to enforce. Government shrinks like nuts on steroids. We all go back to trying to make our way through life without being told how, when, with whom, and how much it will cost.
pods
The government has moved into the marriage business because it is lucrative. Had I understood this 30 years ago I never would have partaken in their scheme.
I need no legal binding contract to sleep and live with the man I choose. If this arrangement is unfortunately dissolved, I would do so amicably. But no lawyer would become rich in that process.
No one should obtain a marriage license today and continue this farce. My word is my bond.
Miffed
But then what would they wave in their opponents' faces to prove "Love Wins!" and that they are "On the right side of history!"?
Fuck them.
Miffed;-)
Miffed, thanks, but I'm gonna take a pass on that.
Ok, I now respect you.
Miffed;-)
The marriage license was introduced during Reconstruction by Democrats in the south. To prevent interracial marriage. You didnt need a license before that, I believe.
Marriage licenses were around before then. Maybe not in most states, and certainly not common in U.S. until mid-1800s. But southern Democrats didn't invent the idea and southern states weren't the first to require marriage licenses.
10 Commandments - origin: Egyptian Book of the Dead, 500 to 1000 years older than the Bibel
Mose (name) origin: Egypt "son of"
Moses, not a shred of scientific evidence this person ever lived
I don't plan on being a nuisance. I just need my foodstamps and my FEMA trailer. Everything else is gravy.
you parasite. move your ass before 7 am to seek job instead of blogin your no sense life. you are a waste for humanity.
no, No, NO!!!! He is a Dear Leader Obama voter, a progressive, and one with Mother Earth. He is the ULTIMATE in human form and is to be praised. It's you ebil people who work for your food, clothing, and shelter who are the problem. Just ask Hillary(!), O'Mally, and Dear Leader.
More "free" gubmint stuff for EVERYONE!!!!!
You are never far from the truth,
when you blame the jew media.
The media doesn't get Donald Trump.
They live in their 5% bubble.
If it's in the MSM news, it's there for a reaason, regardless of how you perceive the presentation.
IMO, Trump is controlled opposition, much like Ron Paul was.
I don't know where they are going with Trump, but be assured, they are going under orders from the "owners", as George Carlin called them.
Sorry they did not leave a gravestone marker that lasted centuries for you to examine.
By your thinking, many millions of people must never have existed because there is no scientific evidence they existed.
And when a person trying to make a point can't even spell Bible, I keep wondering where the ignore feature is...
To some people air doesn't exist becasue they can't see it...
and the ironic reality is that they will choke the moment they are exposed to a vaccuum...
aw mannnn....my faith didnt protect me from that, wth!
like shootin fish in a barrel
remeber english class were you were introduced to the concept of a homphone?
yeah, didnt think so
bible, libel, 2+2....durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
"remeber english class were you..."
Classic- pot calls kettle black.
It's about time you re-take English class, with a focus on appropriate word selection and spelling.
nice try, you misunderstand a play on words, then retaliate with ...calling out a *GASP* misspelling???
the bible is libelous, that was the point, and for those whoe entirely missed it and had to start junking because of a perceived misspelling...
*facepalm* why bother telling this to a bible camp attendee..
10 Commandments - origin: Egyptian Book of the Dead, 500 to 1000 years older than the Bibel
Mose (name) origin: Egypt "son of"
Moses, not a shred of scientific evidence this person ever lived
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I just laugh at the junks for stuff like this these days, because when you're brainwashed and raised in a cult, you automatically junk anything that goes against your programming.
What's a Bibel and where does a person get one?
Good job of telling everyone how "smart" you are, by the way.
amusing. I really only get that from folks that are about half as intelligent *rolleyes*
otherwise you would have come up with something better than "y u think u so smrt" - you're the one that just pointed out the intelligence gap. lol...and people say idiots dont know they're idiots.
also amusing that any abrhamic believers think they belong in "fight club"
dupes do not belong in fight club. those who unquestioningly follow do not belong in fight club.
subscribe, follow, dont think for yourself...
not your fault, raised in a cult, who are you to question? follow the leader, sheep, and give up your potential to yaveh when you go in order to have some guarantee of safe comfort of "heaven"
and then you mock socialism, fascism....haha...rich....very rich...cant even find the myriad inconsistencies and holes in your core beliefs, how's about them apples!
Even for an obvious idiot, you assume way too much.
Go back to your village- they miss making fun of you.
perhaps I should have saved the Irony verbiage for this post, as your base is that ephemeral nothingness called faith that rests upon nothing but a shyster's word, every bit as solid as the FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF...
*facepalm*
and I'm sure it is also beyond you that concreteness in such matters will come from experience, not faith.
"and people say idiots dont know they're idiots."
Oh, the irony.
You are a poster child for the Dunning–Kruger effect.
the irony, indeed - just make sure you GO TO THE LIGHT when you die, and give up your gains to yaveh, so that he can recycle your naive little spark of consciousness back into the matrix - after raping the fruits of your labor, just like a bankster..
HMMMMMM
nope not gonna make sense to you, but you wont notice the difference when you again open a new set of eyeballs and find your recollection of lifetimes wiped yet again.
I need no validation from a thoroughly brainwashed "jesus" freak - and nevermind all those stories you've been told that were also usurped versions of a man, written 70+ years after his death, long enough for nobody to be around to remember who the person actually was.
spiritual power is not a gift from god, idiot.
Tens of thousands of Christians in the 1st and 2nd centuries were so certain of a resurrection (not to be confused with reincarnation), that they were martyred for their beliefs.
Which proves that everything you stated is false.
See, you can't even prove something properly.
Just because the power in charge at that time found the beliefs to be a threat, and tried to eradicate them, doesn't "prove" anything about those beliefs.
This is a perfect example of religious thinking - you start with the conclusion (i.e. its all true and unquestionable) and then interpret the facts to suit.
For not just one, not just a handful, but tens of thousands to be willing to die (by wild animals, gladiators, burning, crucifixion, etc) for their beliefs, when all they had to do was deny Christ, is the strongest proof that they knew of Jesus resurrection, either as eyewitnesses or through extremely believable accounts of eyewitnesses.
To attempt to reinterpret those events thousands of years takes willful ignorance.
It is better for Lurk Skywatcher to be thought a fool, rather than open its mouth and remove be all doubt.
What is you view on the Tibetan Bhuddists?
They are being persecuted, and martyred, by an imperial regime. They have been displaced, their leader exiled, and their churches destroyed.
By your logic, that "proves" that their beliefs are at least equal to your own...
No, wait... your beliefs are the only right ones because YOU believe them.
Religion is the ultimate narcissistic fantasy!
Apples and oranges.
Tibetan Buddhists commit suicide by setting themselves on fire in protest.
Christian Martyrs were offered a choice- denounce Christ and live, retain faith in Christ and be murdered in one of many painful ways. Christians would not deny Christ,. and so were murdered.
There is no comparison.
Right, because the christians bent over in any and every way possible, with the sole exception of the single thing they've been so thoroughly convinced is true that they dont ever even have to question it, or verify any of its tenets, and they really only get to find out when they die anyway...
matter of fact, it is heretical and treasonous to even suggest questioning, as the church proved umpteen times over by killing anyone just about anyone who questioned their "authority"....and of course its perfectly acceptable that the church also scrubbed out any words or even entire books that might have left any shred of a clue that attaining the powers jesus had was attainable by the common man - matter of fact, no, dont do ANY of those, because they INVITE DEMONS!!
THAT would have undercut their entire mind-control premise of "Jesus is a direct son of god"...becuase that is a control mechanism. If you want to control people, you dont tell them that they are the same chip off the allspark.
we cant be having any sheep thinking they're shepherds after all, right?
its not like Jesus said just that - that we are all like him and by logical extension can attain any spiritual power he had.
that goes against the control mechanism function of the entire abrahamic root.
the sad part is there's such a preponderance of people so thoroughly brainwashed on the matter.
you just believe, you dont understand, study, or have any open mind at all.
not surprised seek truth isnt touching this one with a 10 foot pole, except to junk.
If you knew your bible studies you'd know EXCATLY what I am referring to.
Cripes, you're like arguing with Schauble...the debt is ODIOUS and ILLEGAL
"no it isnt!"
Here's how it is: XYZ
*silence*
"Pay up!"
that's what I thought, pal. back to bible camp for you!
You continue to reveal more about yourself.
In the time it took me to mow my property (which was quite enjoyable at very humid 88 degrees F, compared to your nonsense), here you are, making reply after reply to yourself.
Now, for the third time- you are a poster child for the Dunning–Kruger effect:
No one takes you seriously.
If you had any credibilty to begin with, you have zero at this point.
On just this thread alone, you have used more strawmen, ad hominems, and other logical fallacies than I care to count.
You have illustrated quite well that you have little command of the English language, grammar, or meaning.
You have made unwarranted assumption after unwarranted assumption about the knowledge and credentials of those you are "challenging."
If it looks like an ankle biter, and it acts like an ankle biter, well, it must be an ankle biter.
This shall be my only reply to your nonsense, I will waste no further time on you.
Enjoy feeding the Egregore - you know nothing and all you have is faith - which is as strong as the dollar, until it gets shown its actual weight in the real proability equations. No more replies for you either, my responses were for others' benefit, not your brainwashed ass! Unwarranted assumption indeed! You have nothing but conjecture and supreme faith in that conjecture - I'll be exiting as I please and going where I please next, whereas your ignorant little soul will go where it is placed, after having its pockets picked.
Too bad its going to take you quite a number of lifetimes before you come to that realization, so long as you keep feeding the egregore, the longer you will be stuck in that resonant loop.
At least if I was "debating" with someone schooled or knowledged in the least you would have been able to come up with a coherent reply!
Not too many things sadder than blind faith from one who calls themselves a truth seeker!
"Are you serious!?"
-Pelosi
Even better! This will be my last response, except to come back and junk you! As if that does not constitute a "response".....but then again, considering what constitutes "proof" in your head....no surprises there.
"Proof" = "Faith" does not a logical equation make
spot on - but dont expect a bible thumper to EVER admit that!!!
Sorry Bible Thumpers - I know you truly believe this stuff.
But reality has that pesky thing about having a significant component of "dont care what your beliefs are, reality will play out as it shall anyway"
your participation in the experiment will only affect how the winds appear to you, they will not affect where the winds push you.
which is why you all wont even remember it with your new set of eyes when they come - you'll never realize you were sold a bill of goods.
wow, that passes for logic in your head?
you dont even see that you didnt prove a damned thing.
and the junks are simply from indoctrinates that are incredulous at having their swiss cheese core beliefs poked at!
n-n-n-noooooooooooooooooo! *twitch* Who works out in 6 minutes!?!
too funny - modus operandi for one with no argument - ad hominem, junk, leave without even attempting to substantiate the perspective.
happens often when one has no actual solid ground to stand upon.
So says the hypocrite who threw the first ad hominem, and continues to do so in each post, "idiot."
There's a saying for people like you: "you can't fix stupid."
classic cherry pick, bitch about one minor particular and ignore the main idea purportedly being addressed.
you never took a debate class, did you. or perhaps you took debate classes from a lawyer, whose main opinion it is on winning is to simply ignore the strongest points of his adversary's arguments. kinda like the troika sitting there and not responding to an actual thought out proposal from varifoukas.
sure I mocked the kneejerk junkings, because they deserved mockery. just like any other bible thumper that will only look at church approved documentation and accepts that anything the church says is heretical, it is, no questions asked.
http://www.openbible.info/topics/fool
Sorry Dixie, you're not getting around the FACT that the jews stole and augmented all the old ancient sumerian tales (which is historical to the ancient egyptian stuff,) interjected yaweh as the one and only god, yet there's still all kinds of verbiage that conntates he isnt quite "the only god" yet such matters are easily and casually hand-waved away, because....right, you were taught by the church.
That makes the ENTIRE abrahamic root a FABRICATION. Partial truths mixed with half truths in a substrate of falsehoods.
But its heresy for you to question it? LOL.
Look around at the prevalance of abrahamic religion, and now make correlations to how the world is a mixed bag of hidden handlers, truths, half truths and lies, the modus operandi is just the same.
Oh, but that's heresy to question...baa-a-a-aa-aa-aa
My amusement is at least equally detached. Clearly you have never researched the historocity of the bible and its source manuscripts. An unshakable faith you have in your sight, I dare not challenge it.
Dixie, I grew up catholic and went to catholic schools. I know all of the tales. I passed my Theology classes with excellent grades.
Once I was done, then I went and researched all of the world's religions in an attempt to gain a bigger picture, because I knew that I was not being told a complete picture.
Clearly, you have no idea who you are talking to, and thus imprint your notions of an unstudied atheist onto me in an attempt to invalidate my words that so stabbingly go against what you have been taught to believe.
I have faith, and I daresay every bit as strong as you purport yours to be - I just dont have faith in the same things and the same contexts. But somehow it is insulting and inconceivable that one would have a broader context?
This all started because I called out kneejerk junking, and because it went somewhat contrary to what was written in the bible, all the bible thumpers come out and....kneejerk junk. *shrugs* Whaddya want? I've done my research, I've done my practice, my beliefs are formed of experience that would get me called insane for being far enough out of line with "normal" experiences of most folk. And I havent even gone there!
d.a,
You have made so many incorrect assumptions about the past, the present, the future, the knowledge of posters here on ZH, their background, etc, that you have demonstrated to the world that, as I stated up-thread, you are a poster child for the Dunning–Kruger effect.
No one takes you seriously.
If you had any credibilty to begin with, you have zero at this point.
DF,
You nailed it!
"Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires." -2 Peter 3:3
https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/42-principles-of-maat-2000-...
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html
as he scoffs at those who dont believe the bible as he does...too funny....
you're right, Detached.
But the Fox news and bible-thumping crowd absolutely are allergic to independent thought.
They probably think that Jewish slaves built the pyramids.
You can't fix stupid, son.
22 junks?
The sunday ZH crowd is far stupider than the people who are here during the week.
https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/42-principles-of-maat-2000-...
There was no Jewish Empire under Solomon or David either.... hundreds of years later Jewish chauvinists simply claimed there had been. ZERO evidence for anything other than *maybe* some petty kingdom.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html
Yup! As I was junked for pointing out, its nothing but kneejerk reactions, it says nothing of the truthfulness of the comment, it simply speaks to the level of indoctrination of the junkers. WHAT? Suggesting a bible tale isnt 100% truth!?!?!?! *AUTOJUNK*
To which they will kneejerk junk this also.
Sensibel people never needed a marriage licence. Whenb a man and a woman wish to marry all they need is to say their vows to each other in the prsence of their friends and family. To pay the Government is absurd for a licence for this most private and sacred ceremony. It is none of the Government's business.
Let the poor deluded people who thought this is what mattered, have it! Let them go to the Goernment, pay for their licence and call it "marriage" (to do the degrading and depraved things they do if they like, it is not marriage and never will be). They make themselves look like such fools - which they are anyway.
Intelligent people will have nothing at all to do with the Government's "marriage licence" ever again! It has been made worthless.
It is none of the Government's business.
If marriage is not in part a legal agreement, then how does a couple divide property and deal with kids when/if a dissolution occurs? Sorry, a society must have a legal framework to deal with these issues.
Now our framework is really flawed, but we at least have one.
sschu
Well of course Dems didn't invent marriage licenses. Napoleon imposed the practice in his civil code, in part to furhter weaken a remaining pillar of the ancien regime. Law makers paid attention to foreign experimentation back then. Dems did impose state marriage license requirements in the South amidst their campaign to resist the dictates of Reconstruction.
During Reconstruction there were no Democrats in power in the South, numnuts.
True Marriage: Two souls, united by the grace of the consciousness, under the great stars above
Religious Marriage: Two people, united by the grace of god, under the auspices of a priest.
Gubbamin Marriage: Two corporate accounts, linked together by the permission of the State, for accounting and account status purposes.
Some of the ghey "folks" who decide to have the state sanctify their marriage are about to get a very expensive legal lesson.
They really don't know how good they had it ;-)
Yep. The joke is on them. They DEMAND... (NOW!!!!!) that the gubmint put them into legal contracts that often times cost tens of thousands of dollars to break. Then there is that additional tax burden that "married" people have to pay.
Suckers... (figuratively and literally)
Indeed! Love did not win, totalitarianism did. When two homos walk down the aisle, can there be a husband and wife? No, ban it!!!!http://www.westernjournalism.com/outrage-pc-purging-dems-just-declared-w...
"By the power vested in me by the State of ____, I now pronounce you faggot and faggot."
With apologies to our homo friends who lead regular lives without shoving this garbage down our throats.
They're not shoving their junk down my throat either.
Thought this would be a good place to share some great music:
Sufjan Stevens Invites You to "Come On, Feel the Illinoise"
Fucking fantastic album, for a modern album that's produced as a real album that makes sense.
"By the power vested in me by, erm, uh, Lilith, I pronounce you Bull Dyke and Pretty Fister, you may kiss the vulva." (Pandemonium, people rushing for the exits, vomitosis)....
As a wife, I say fuck all of them.
Miffed;-)
Fuck women!; is what I say.
Well, mr miffed seems to agree with you and is using you post as a segue.
Good night all and may my hang over not affect patient care tomorrow.
Miffed;-)
Miffed it by that much.
Al, youse a riot. Keep up the funnies.
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umm, wouldn't know, on any of your descriptions...
Why the fuck are you even looking up these sort of porn references?
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You people think you're normal. You're not. You're sorry excuses for human beings.
I don’t think the girls understand is that when the poop chute becomes a normal and legit place to be, who needs girls?
And as the society becomes increasingly faggotized, their options diminish.
And I don’t think that this idiot culture understands that the pervert activist community will always be looking for a new frontier and that now that they seem to have the “you are whatever gender you care to be at the moment” thing in the bag, that the new frontier is focusing upon ever younger recruits.
They want the kids.
I confess that I had a certain grim satisfaction with the Obergefell Decision:
Anything that discredits the US governing elite, and helps spread contempt for the federal judiciary, is a positve develoment. A step forward, if you will, towards that unknown glorious day when the US federal judiciary is neutered or (better) forgotten.
FWIW I'm not actually bothered by what a State might consider to be marriage; State sanction to me is an irrelevance.
Mine wasn't grim, it was gritty. I don't give a shit about what adults voluntarily to to each other. and I can see, in real life, circumstances that same sex couples are bonded to each other.
Same sex sex...eeeoughh!! None of my business. I don't wanna know, hear or think about (though I was maid of honor at a lesbian marriage ceremony). Certain things are private between two individuals. My announcing that I fucked my wife in the ass would be just as offensive (to her and anyone else) as any gay couple announcing how great their honeymoon ass-fuck was. There's a boundary, unfortunately, our War Criminal Government and the LGTT (what ever the diviant community calls themselves these days) have no recognition of boundaries. Which means, sooner or later, they're going to cross a boundary and get their sagging ass blown to hell.
Other than that, if you're gay, you're gay, I really don't give a shit. Go fuck what ever you want. Be a person, be active in your community, and know that I'm out there, letting you live your life, but I have an absolute limit...don't project your life as normal. You're not normal, you're a deviance that we've allowed. Nothing more.
Deviant? Don't you mean "norm challenged?"
spread contempt for the feral judiciary
FTFY
Gotta down you again. Seriously - you're so predictable.
The state is a party to the marriage contract. It differs by state, but read it before you marry - it gives the state economic power over the union.
As for the topic of this post ... the narrators enjoy the contentions they breed as diversions for the debt slaves - better they fight one another over the crumbs than realize that it's their masters they should rise up against - the new ruling corporatist class.
www,roacheforque.blogspot.com
Biblical marriage is not a contract, it is a covenant. In a contract you make agreement to receive something for giving something, in a covenant, you make no such arrangement.
The Bible clearly defines the marriage covenant characteristics (men honor your wife, women obey your husband etal) and the few ways it can be dissolved (infidelity, safety). Hence when the culture decides to define this oldest of man’s institutions based upon fallacious ideas with little historical basis, do not be surprised when a large portion of the believing populace disagrees and disobeys.
sschu
Im Offended by the Offended. So STFU, no one cares what you think.
At least Little Doll can write coherent sentences. I tried reading what you wrote several times. No dice.
pods
pods: the newbie crowd has been trained in writing by the NEA and in so-called "conversation" by Alinsky. Pretty much a waste of mental effort.
- Ned
I'm throwing a down arrow at this comment.
It's not that I don't agree with some of what your saying, it's that I disagree with one of your viewpoints that is very important to me.
Besides that, good post.
Well why not post your disagreement and fucking defend it? This is fight club for Christsakes. Find your inner testicle.
Jeez, what has happened to zero hedge?
Miffed
Fight Club... Really?
Young man, you couldn't fight yourself out of a paper bag, and you know it.
It must suck to be consistently "miffed".....
No, Miffed is correct. Wannabe, state your position.
We may like it, or hate it. It doesn't matter. Man up and say what you mean, or be a pussy with less balls than Miffed [who is admirable with/or without balls.]
Yes, the "miffed" gimmick wore out by the fourth miffed. And the posts are too butch dyke. Back to the persona well...
Americanreality, seems you chose your handle correctly, emasculated, dumbed-down, and in general, an inexplicable pain in the ass. Yep, that fits the majority of the new, Americanreality.
A member for 28 weeks offering up an ad hominem attack against a member who has been a substantial contributor for years?
Assumed troll. Prove the assumption incorrect.
I'm betting on my Viking queen.
Only a fool would take that bet. The wee one will learn soon to treat the "Viking king" like a pit bull on a chain, just walk around it......
Religious rule is a sham. Doesn't mean that moral laws are invalid.
I think not stealing, murdering, coveting my neighbors wife, and so on is a pretty good foundation for getting along with people.
We were given brains to make decisions, learn, wonder about stuff and so on. Yet people keep on trying to tell us what to believe, how and what to think, when they are no smarter than you and I and government is notorious for these things, so are religions.
If I don't want to rent or sell something to someone, regardless of the reason, that should be my right. They have the right to not rent or buy from me.
In the last century we have lost something very important. The ability to live in our own home without having to "pay" someone to stay there.
When I was young, I built my own home. Ended up selling it some years later and glad I did because the government forces people to pay property taxes or the house goes up for tax sale where I live. That is bull shit.
In this modern era, if you have no coin you basically cannot "live" anywhere, yet animals in the wild can live somewhere for nothing.
Modern society is screwed up. If you don't play the game, you are on the fringe and no one will have anything to do with you.
It's a rat race, CP, and those who don't want to participate in it are deemed irrelevant, terrizz or otherwise. God did not put you on this planet to pay homage to some greedy evil motherfuckers for simply existing and living in a shack that protects you against the elements. Fuck property taxes and the evil it espouses.
People, when in a position better than homeless and begging for neccesities, tend to lose sight of what the basics really are. Convenience results in arrogance.
Tighten the cap a bit.. No.. ?
religious is a scam
fixed it for you.
Practice your grammar in the hood.
The only thing you fixed in my mind is that you possess the intelligence of vegetable matter.
Fuck you cheech! Ya' made me spit coffee outta my nose!
Wow. Perfect example of tyranny - no doubt the pods-the-fundamentalist can't even see it.
Yes, you should be able to refuse service for any reason you want. ANY.
You should NOT be able to use the state to force your views down the throats of your neighbors - as you outlined you're trying to do - typical of fundamentalists of all stripes.
Do you mean eat jelly donuts and lose 20 pounds a day?
Leonard left his foot locker unlocked again...
And someone hide Charlene.
Yeah, 'hide charlene' is a real example of coherence for all of us. WTF
Leonard: Character from the film Full Metal Jacket, who by leaving his foot locker open, causes his platoon to do PT while he eats a jelly doughnut found hidden in his foot locker. This causes his platoon to have a GI party on him by beating him silly with soap. This puts Leonard (private Pyle) over the edge, who takes his M-14 rifle, named Charlene and kills gunnery sergeant Hartman.
I didn't think that was too obtuse a reference. I guess I will have to stick to easier ones for you. No biggie. Seems the norm with after hours ZH anymore.
pods
every boot's dream is to off the DI. Funeral party for a sand flea, anyone? - Ned
You're the biggest a$$hole within this forum. Strike that - you're the biggest jerk-off - there is a difference between the two.
Duuuuuuuuuude, chill. You haven't been around long enough to make such broad statements. Besides, pods is good, but he's not the superlative of any category in these here parts.
And, just as a helpful hint: an asshole is a noun, a thing, and in your case a similie for the person. On the other hand, a jerk off is an action, a verb, although it does have its defining moment if done correctly. So again, you are right, but probably not in the way that you wished it to be.
Have as happy an evening as you allow yourself to have.
- Ned
You know, the spam is distasteful, you should buy an ad like everyone else. What is entirely unacceptable, is the lack of character that it takes, to vote for your own spam.
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Your mentioning lack of character struck me. That's one of the major problems with America...
Lack of character, Lack of self pride. Lack of humbleness. Lack of direction and most of all lack of caring.
It currently comes from the very top.
Not only does the cream rise to the top, so does a lot of scum.
Gassy shit floats, I've noticed that over the last 60 years or so.
Sometimes I have to violently flush twice.
Have you ever shit so hard it caused the toilet to flush spontaneously? I have.
Buffulo Bill's, State Line, Nevada/California....
I had to crawl out of the stall...sit another hour outside.
I think my ass puked.
The lack of courage in your convictions kills us.
Say what you think and who cares what others think of you?
In short a person with a sense of honor. The word or handshake and you have a contract. W/O honor there cannot exist trust. Milestones
shut up, cunt.
Anyway, this is the fruit of corruption. If america's leadershipstill had some semblance of democratic fairness and justice, the people could at least put aside many of their differences and unite behind that. But, alas.
Democratic fairness!!!!!!!!!!!! Democracy is two politicians and a three day old baby fighting over a no-bid contract.http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/06/the-new-totalitarians-are-here/
Good article.
And fuck George Takei.. if you're into 78 year old Nazis.
Not even with yours, honey. ;-) And yes, a good article, I'm surprised the servers aren't smoking wrecks with the publicity it got.
- Ned
"If you've got a real dollar you can buy this fake dollar to fool your friends into believing you've got a real dollar!"
I do not think so. The left thinks in terms of disorganizing the opposition to make their consolidation of power easier.
Trotsky made that mistake. The mechanisms he used to purge people were used to purge him. And what did he get for all his effort and theorizing?
Ice Pick in the head.
Can't say he didn't work for it.
A Charlet-Moser piolet is no ice pick.
OK, had to look that up.
Why did I giggle uncontrollably that evil would meet such a fate?
Obama has practically turned a blind eye to the legalization of marijuana. Maybe he will not act if a state secedes. Now is the time, not after the fiend H. Clinton is elected.
The real test would be trying to withhold federal taxes. That would be the Fort Sumpter.
I want to keep Wyoming's flag. Just change the blue to black. Perfect.
Was discussing with Wifey last night, that no states even need to secede...All 50 states just need to individually vote that, as a rogue "state", Washington D.C. will be considered null and void, placed under full sanction, and full blockade. Anybody that exits will be held as a POW, and tried for war crimes...
Careful, dude. I tried discussing such things with my own wifey- and you know what happened?
She left to stay at a "friend's" house.
Oh well!
Ace, my number of "friends" can be counted on one hand. They can, have, are, and will be, trusted with my life, wife, home, children, and treasures.
Maybe you should reassess both, wifey, and your friends...
The truth leaks out...yes, under the guise of promoting "diversity" as if "diversity" itself was a virtue, we have destroyed the culture of unity.
In fact, what made this country....and any civilization in the history of mankind great, were those things that unified a people, not those things that diversified the people.
Obama knows that every single strife and social riff will tear at the fabric of unity...thus, contributing to the destruction of what made America great...and in his punitive attempts to punish successful people, he will also, ultimately destroy the lives of the parasite classes. well done.
Exactly. All these ignorant and corrupt bastards who keep talking about America being the great melting pot, a land of immigrants, blah, blah, always fail to mention the fact that historically people came here to BECOME Americans. They came through proper legal channels, they learned the language, they learned the history and culture, they worked hard and raised families; in other words they ASSIMILATED. Though he might sound like a blathering racist idiot, Trump is rather correct in this matter, and it's time We the People get serious about salvaging this once great land if we want there to be anything left of value for our grandchildren. Otherwise it's game over, we're completely fucked. I've done the math.......
@ Lunatic:
I've done the math, too. It's game over. We're fucked.
Push 2 for spanish, 3 for spanglish, 4 for angry towel-head, 5 for freeloader sign up for all benefits....
Good job Lunatic!
Usually there's a lefty bot clown present to down vote decency and logic.
Freedom is in bold.
Someone said that, I have read and agree.
:-)
@DV. Down voted you 'cos it was a red rag to my sense of humour. Sorry ;)
Yep. Agree 100%. Have seen the diversity posters promoting the nonsense in various corporations (most very large always do this) for several decades. Some have posters declaring 'Corporate Citizenship' as if a corporation gives a fuck about a nation rather than their bottom line.
Thanks for speaking truth. Unity is indeed the enemy of diversity in the public square.
Obama knows that every single strife and social riff will tear at the fabric of unity...thus, contributing to the destruction of what made America great...and in his punitive attempts to punish successful people, he will also, ultimately destroy the lives of the parasite classes. well done.
Will you motherfuckers PLEASE stop referring to Obama as if he is some Machiavellian political master? Seriously, the dude is a political hack of the highest order who successfully whored his semi-blackness into a puppet presidency. After watching his many cringe inducing performances to unscripted questions, I have no illusions about that man's intellect. I'm not saying he's a dullard like W, but he's no grand designer.
Nope, sorry, you're wrong.
W believed in his positions and could defend them off the cuff. Head to head, the current pResident comes out second.
Obama is lost without a teleprompter. I always laughed at the fools who liked to say, "he's the smartest guy in the room".
My thought was, "Then you must be the dumbest guy in the room".
Obama is an Alinkyite radical. Their community organizing was community disorganizing in fact. Sewing trouble, division, unrest, to radical ends. Fundamental transformation.
I don't think he's a master of anything...I don't think he is intelligent, and I do not think he's some strategic social genius.
It is much easier to tear things down than it is to build them up. To build requires creativity and inginuity and intelligence and persistence...a strong work ethic and a unyielding desire to progress.
To tear things apart, to criticize and to pit people against each other is easy and requires no skill...only evil desire.
I'll put it this way..
Obama's like the asshole little kid at the beach that walks around at the end of the day stepping on sand castles that took other kids all afternoon to build. No genius required.
Well, sad cretins like Obama can only ever excelling in cunning, never in true intelligence:
He can cunningly figure out how to get the most cocaine for the least amount of work, but he isn't intelligent enough to figure out how to be truly and deeply happy in life (ie: which requires the near-opposite of everything he opted to do with himself).
- That being said, as a manchurian candidate, he should have been abused as a child to make him so messed up he would turn into the pathetic puppet he is. He is a pitiful guy.