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Guest Post: Why Donald Trump Surged in the Polls (And Why It Matters)
Submitted by Robert W. Merry via The National Interest,
Donald Trump is not a pleasant man. He is egotistical, vain, bombastic, often mean-spirited. He revels in his financial superiority, which he conflates with human goodness. When he contorts his mouth into a kind of tube as he talks, you brace yourself for something outrageous—and it nearly always emerges as expected. His likability quotient, at least in terms of his public persona, is down somewhere in single digits.
And yet he has just taken hold of the American political system by the neck and doesn’t seem inclined to let go anytime soon. The political elites don’t know what to do or say about his sudden rise in the polls. The elite media default to their favorite hobby horse of political analysis—that any backlash to the current wave of immigration will simply destroy the Republican Party earlier than it would otherwise be destroyed, which is inevitable anyway so why bother?
The latest poll [4], by The Economist and YouGov, has Trump leading the field of GOP presidential candidates with 15 percent, four percentage points ahead of former Florida governor Jeb Bush. Though the YouGov polling methodology is sometimes criticized, this result matches other polls, including a recent North Carolina survey that has Trump at 16 percent, again four percentage points ahead of Bush. There is widespread speculation that Trump ultimately will initiate an independent presidential candidacy and shake up the country’s politics in the general election.
So here we have a hard-working, conventional Republican candidate in Jeb Bush, who has amassed a strong record as a serious politician over many years and has the benefit of a hallowed political name. And suddenly he finds himself second fiddle to an upstart industrialist with an acid tongue, no political record, and a penchant for offensive remarks.
What’s going on here?
First, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is not going to be president. Neither is he going to get the Republican nomination. But he has a capacity to be a serious political spoiler in the looming presidential campaign, and he seems bent on spoiling as much of the political establishment as he can. And that explains his current standing. Large sectors of the American electorate are disgusted with the political establishment and will welcome any force that takes it on.
This disgust stems from one highly emotional issue and a cluster of other issues that add up to a crisis of the old order. And yet the political establishment doesn’t want to address the highly emotional issue in any serious way and operates as if there is no gathering crisis of the American system.
The highly emotional issue is, of course, immigration. Consider the state of play on this issue as the presidential campaign looms: Americans have nearly 12 million illegal immigrants in their midst, people who violated our laws to come here and violate them further every day that they stay. We have a president who granted many illegals legal status through a contorted series of executive actions, considered by many to have been unconstitutional. The governmental elite has been intermittently hapless and complacent in the face of this crisis, and large segments of the cultural elite welcome with great enthusiasm this turn of events, either because of humanitarian impulses or because they cherish the idea of a major political realignment in the country (or both).
And, quite aside from illegal immigration, many Americans see large waves of legal immigration as a threat to the country’s capacity of absorption and to its cultural heritage, since most of the immigrants come from regions far removed from the European homeland that spawned the American political and cultural identity.
The issue has four components.
First, there are the economic implications—the impact of such widespread immigration on jobs and salaries.
Second, there is the question of sovereignty—whether a nation that can’t control its borders is truly a self-respecting nation.
Then there are the political implications—the growing concept that white Americans, declining in relative terms as a population segment, are going to be overwhelmed by people of color, who are expanding inexorably, in large measure because of immigration but also because of differential birthrates.
Finally, there are the cultural implications—the idea, shared by many Americans, that the country’s cultural identity will erode progressively in the face of the immigration inundation.
Of these components, the economic implications get most of the attention. Sovereignty is largely ignored or pooh-poohed by the cultural and journalistic elites. But many Americans feel that a country that can’t control its borders is, to that extent, a diminished country; and that citizenship in such a country is of diminished value. As for the political implications, most of the media and the country’s political elites, including growing numbers of Republicans, view the outcome as now determined. Republicans will have to soften their immigration stance, they are told, if they want a sufficient share of the Hispanic vote to win elections. But of course this will simply result in growing numbers of people in the electorate with a disinclination to vote Republican.
But the most significant component—and the most emotional—is the cultural issue. For many Americans, the fate of America’s cultural identity is not a matter of mere frivolous concern, as many liberals argue. It is fundamental, which is why it unleashes strong emotions in many part of the country. And these emotions are heightened by the phenomenon of more recent immigrants being increasingly reluctant to shed their own distinctive elements of heritage and increasingly inclined to shun the concept of assimilation.
What we see here is a huge gap in the sensibilities of large numbers of voters and the sensibilities of the elites charged with setting the direction of the country. When the people no longer trust their elites, you can bet that serious political and societal disruption is on the horizon. In a democratic system such as ours, that will translate into rebel candidates connecting with populist voters.
And that’s what we see in the emergence of Donald Trump, coming forth in all his bombast and crudity to slam the elites for having allowed this immigration crisis to gain ever greater force in the American polity and drive a wedge through the nation. It may seems surprising that such a man could have any kind of impact on the early presidential race, for however brief a time, but viewed in the context of the broader immigration crisis it isn’t surprising at all.
But Trump is getting further traction with his vicious attacks on our era’s conventional politicians, particularly Bush and Hillary Clinton, as representing elites that are entirely vested in the nation’s current political and economic system and who will never break down the structures contributing so powerfully to the country’s current intertwined problems.
The slow-growth economy, the burgeoning inequality crisis, the growing global threat of Islamist extremism, America’s declining position in the world, expanding public debt, the looming threat of governmental unfunded liabilities—all these are products of the country’s current elites on Wall Street, in Washington, in public employee unions, in the mainstream media. They arose on the watch of the country’s post-Cold War politicians, most notably Hillary Clinton’s husband and Jeb Bush’s brother. Are these the people, many Americans are asking, to lead us out of the current political morass?
Trump says no. He says no with his usual crude rhetoric and with copious uses of words such as “stupid” and “stupidity” to bring home his point. But he’s getting his point across nonetheless because of the perceived failures of the nation’s elites.
He will fade in the primaries eventually, of course, though he will generate a lot of political pyrotechnics in the process. If he runs as an independent candidate in the general election, he will pull perhaps 12 percent of the vote, well below Ross Perot’s 19 percent in 1992 and even below George Wallace’s 14 percent in 1968. But in the meantime he will be speaking what many Americans will see as truth to entrenched power. And it is that entrenched power that is generating the concerns and angers that are fueling this unanticipated political whirlwind.
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Why should anyone be surprised it's so typical and filthy like the crime ridden hole it's always been along with the money from the likes of JPM and Goldman Sachs that will spend as much money on him as they will that gal with a "dick" that use to be it's Senator and left in disgrace because of war crimes as Secretary of State thanks to her AIPAC friends in high places.
Can't wait to see what Donnie will say when he's asked the hard questions about leading this Country into WWIII in Eastern Ukraine and Syria when he starts campaigning for the ticket?...
If he loses to Hitlery perhaps his real estate buddy Larry Silverstein will get him a job as Secretary of the Treasury or Federal Reserve under a Clinton White House?!!!!
Interesting history lesson junction that i was previously unaware of. Thank you
And suddenly he finds himself second fiddle to an upstart industrialist with an acid tongue, no political record,
No political record??? Try building a 70 story skyscrapper in Manhattan and not have political interference...PLEASE Robert W Merry....PLEASE
In any other country, he would be the full retard card. But in America he shines as the "Not as bad as the other Clinton/Bush psychos" option. The fact that he isn't a career politician (He's a career something but I've no idea what) and the sheer entertainment value of his presence in the elections make him the "better choice". I guess.
Nobody has told him that the CIA and Israel are running ISIS so he wants to bomb the crap out of them in Iraq (for real), so I guess that's a good thing. Can't wait until he figures it all out - he might be mad enough to nuke Israel and Langley.
He's not a template like what's running things now. Our government has turned in to a bunch of stat rats that do nothing so he's livening up the game for sure. I like him and didn't think I would but he's a breath of fresh air and how far he goes remains to be seen. He does come across with some passion and has donated to each party, so not really one sided. They all took his money:)
Go search on YouTube and find the video about him and his company. At the exclusive Golf Clubs, you find gold plated locker name tags with Clinton and many more as they golfed at his courses and maybe Obama missed out there (grin).
Donald Trump is a promoter - and he is promoting himself, for himself. In my view he is simply looking to profit/increase his brand.
I woke up this morning and one of my first thoughts when subjected to Trump news was - just how charitable is this guy. Turns out not very.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/trump-least-charitable-...
Here's another interesting article.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/22/how-much-is-trump-is-re...
I live in Mexico and please believe he is not very well thought of here.
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/articulo/english/2015/07/9/donald-trump-ac...
Trump feels to me like he is playing to the NY Daily News crowd.
Do us all a favor.....take your Mexicans back home... Of course he is not well thought of....just as we here in the United Staes do not think well of Mexicans. Do you see the majority of the people protesting him...they are all Mexican. What a joke...of course they are protesting. He speaks what we all think. Clean up your own piece of shit country...stay the hell out of ours. If he is elected...game over for all Mexicans. THe "Berlin Wall Part 2" will be going in as well as the "Canadian Wall" with Drones, mines, sentry guns, ....you scared?
Scared ? I am a US citizen who chooses to live in Mexico for what it has to offer - in terms of people, ethics, family values, economics... It is people such as yourself who contributed to my wanting to consider Mexico as a place to live.
Do you mind if I ask - how old are you and what do you do for a living ?
Good riddance. Please stay.
What is the highest level of education you have achieved ?
I have homes in Costa Rica, Oregon and Maine...I have worked my entire life hard just to see 50% of everything I currently earn after $100K taken in taxes... I am so sick of the FSA riding on my hard work.
So you want to play a game? Well I dropped out of college in my first term after I reallized it was a waste. At age 13 I was making over $1500 a week owning a video gamebusiness. Remember Pac-Man and Asteroids...I had 0ver 200 of those machines by the time I was 16...then started a computer company based around the Commodore 64. At age 19 purchased my first rental property...I could keep going...I am not trying to impress you, just impress upon you that I am not a dumb fuck like you are trying to imply.
You are a dumb fuck because of the assumptions you make of me - and Mexicans.
I really don't spend my life watching the news - or reading ZH - but it truly was my impression that Obama opened his arms to immigration across the Mexican border - for whatever reason he might have had.
Ya know - I would venture that 1 in 3 of the people we have conversations with here have at one time or another - lived in the US - and you know, they have come back to Mexico.
I'd love to post you statistics on the national breakdown of immigration coming into the Southern US but all the data is like 3 years stale - but you might be wrong in assuming that those immigrants are Mexicans. I believe most of them are from Honduras, El Salvador and Costa Rica. There are jobs in Mexico for Mexicans. It is no longer a third world country.
And Guatemala. Yes, fewer Mexicans are coming across. Hell, even the regular migrant farmworkers couldn't get in to pick on time because of ICE 'computer glitches'. Riiight... the death of Southwestern agriculture is moving along nicely.
MS13 isn't Mexican, it's domestic and south of Mexico.
Trump is not mentioning this at all, and he knows what's up. It's all a scam, we can only hope he lights a fuse they can't put out.
Although he's right about all the factory work going to Mexico, especially as China gets more expensive.
Doesn't matter, Fukushima and all the ones next in line to blow up nullify anything in the medium-future.
Thank you. That might be the first up-vote I have ever given on ZH. (And I should have remembered Guatemala as I lived there for two years.) It is my impression that the most violent of criminals in Mexico are in fact from Guatemala.
49 and own several companies.
On a .gov pension?
Chinga Mexico.
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If I 'owned' ZH i would be very concerned how it is going down the tubes.
Adios.
. . . . ."All we are sayinggggggg ... is GIVE TRUMP A CHANCE"
Donald Rump is a proxy horses ass that will make Jeb 'the mass murderer' Bush look moderate in comparison. The political wonks & whores are angling for the middle class vote. Donald Rump knows this and is playing the fringe candidate position to bolster a majority vote for Jeb 'the mass murderer' Bush. Both Bush & Clitoris will then duke it out for mainstream USA, but the mass murderer will take the helm because America always goes to war after a democrat run in office.
Waterboard the Bush & Clitoris clans before they lead you down the garden path to Hell & Purgatory in the next election, USA.
America is going down for the count with Bush & Clitoris leading the way, SUCKERS.
Keep voting NEOCON, America, you cunts.
El Donaldo is soaring because he's showing he's an individual. It's as simple as that.
And he could win the nomination and the presidency, if he only took himself halfway seriously and fixed his hair, not necessarily in that order.
It was pretty funny listening to the talking heads sputter this morning about Trump, Travis Smiley (on CBS) bellowing that it's a moral issue and the press should not even cover Trump, and Obama would NEVER resort to racial stereotypes and blaming something on, say, all white people. Smiley is the kind of moron that the networks would be better not presenting.
I don't know that Trump thinks he's doing. As some have noted, the 16 or 16,000 Republican candidates are all running because they figure they have no worse odds at it than Obama did in 2008, and they can't do a much worse job should they be elected. And that's part of why Trump is in there, too.
But I give Trump this, he is the only one with a grasp of economic issues.
Except maybe Bernie Sanders. I wonder if they could make some kind of a deal.
If I could advise him,the next speech he would be bald as a cue ball. Come out with a Heisenberg hat, and take it off. It would be the ultimate fuck you, and take that meaningless snark bait away from the left.
Look at his hair! Look at his hair!
Look at close up of Hillary's face, if you want to be ill.
He would probably look sharp bald, and scare the shit out of his detractors.
WWF+WTF=?
The Leftist media is loving the Trump attacks, concluding they are destroying the GOP. The opposite is true. The Republicans don’t have a chance if they knuckle under to open borders and so-called immigration reform, maintaining that they need more Hispanic voters to win elections. Never mind that 8 out of 10 Hispanics vote Democrat.
It’s interesting that the Marxist website Salon marvels at Bernie Sanders turning out 10,000 supporters in Marxist-leaning Madison, Wisconsin. The same Salon reporting laughed at Trump’s clownish downfall, while forced to report the massive crowds in Las Vegas and Phoenix (some estimates at 12,000) for Trump.
The Trump campaign said 15,000 tickets were distributed for the event at the Phoenix Convention Center, where the North Ballroom has a capacity of only 4,200, while thousands were turned away at the doors because of fire regulations.
If Trump should backtrack on his immigration attacks, watch the crowds diminish and the fortunes of the GOP slide back again.
it's been a long while, but the Marxists I remember from youth were hardcore anti-zionists, and extreme left (anarchists many). Madison is a great place to live, but it's basically scandinavian-style socialist liberal, from what I remember, and a very liberal zionist like Bernie would fit fine.
I can't stand Trump, but I will vote for him in 2016 and I hope he is our president in 2106. Up arrow if you feel the same.
Trump still bends the knee for Israel and Organized Jewry, and like Hillary, means another war on another Muslim country for Israel based on absolute, but oft-repeated, lies.
http://original.antiwar.com/muhammad-sahimi/2015/07/03/demonizing-iran-t...
The guy was born with a silver spoon and declared bankruptcy over and over, essentially amassing his money through a real estate boom and having enough money to paper over his mistakes [like say, the 90s/2000s Yankees]
Is he right on immigration?
sure, but overall - fuck him too.
edit: still.... I have to admit, better than just about anyone except maybe Sanders {foreign policy and the wars is my primary issue - that's why}.
Certainly Trump is better than Hillary.
you junkers, on this one, can go fuck yourselves.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-cr...
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nuclear-smuggling-...
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I have to agree with many of the comments, but need to remind everyone that Obama was elected on an emotional wave regardless of his credentials. Trump has a tremendous cross party appeal. He is a television star, he caters to unions with his protectionist rhetoric and to many tea party and economic conservatives fed up with the lack of Republican action on all the issues that started the Tea Party movement. He knows how to push buttons and is in your face with his detractors. I beg to differ with the author.. in this television age, Trump may have the upper hand at the nomination AND the presidency. Who else but a bombastic businessman that appeals to both sides could win? Obama was proof that qualifications are trumped (sorry about the unintentional pun) by emotion and feelings. Don't be surprised if he makes it to the top!
Obama was elected by the 98% support and votes of blacks and 60% of white feminist females. The Rupublicans ran a McCain lite, who worked hard not to offend anyone and in the end offended almost all Democrats with his elitism.
Win or lose Trump deserves support for him speaking truth to the American people. If he ever stops doing that, it will be his demise.
Everything else is BS.
Don't forget the effeminate male Obama supporter.
Trump is a Hillary op...
Dump Trump!
'America' is already over.
Stop playing...It's the only choice remaining.
The globalist have overplayed their hand.
Collapse is imminent and resistance demands NON-PARTICIPATION.
DO NOT FOLLOW.
Perhaps you are a Hilliary op? If America is already over then what does it matter if Trump is elected. I'd vote for Donald Duck if it meant that I wouldn't have to endure Hilliary Cankles anymore.
My take is that focusing on Trump guarantees Jeb vs. Hillary, which is win-win for Wall Street and Military Industrial Complex and lose-lose for Main Street, Truth and Fiscal Responsibility.
With 40% or more of the population loathing Clinton, 40% of the population loathing Bush (with a high percentage loathing both), if Jesse Venture ever wanted to make his move, he could not have asked for the more ideal scenario.
yeah Trump is there to escort Jeb Bush to the podium at the convention for his acceptance speech. now that Bush and Paul are tied the media can say Bush is running second, so Bush always gets the mention. so much of this stuff is schoolyard, high school president politics and it works because americans are naive, they believe that what they see on television is the result of some guy pointing a camera at someone and just letting things happen. there is definitely no free market in media, it is rigged to the teeth, by our own ignorance
We have had it with the political class, they steal our liberties rather than make tough choices and steal our money to buy votes and line their pockets. With any luck they will one day adorn the lamp posts and free us from etatist corruption.
Hahahaha "Cultural inheritage" hahahaha, a country made up only by immigrants(killed almost all the natives), yeah, these 200 years of history are really something...
Mostly these immigrants probably reside in an area that was swindled out of them, california? new mexico? are these posts even for real? or culture only counts when it is about 200 years old
Also immigration, isn't Donald's sexy wife an immigrant? the balsy hipocrisy
"Also immigration, isn't Donald's sexy wife an immigrant? the balsy hipocrisy"
No hypocrisy. Immigrant and illegal immigrant are two different things.
If you look at the post it mentions legal immigrants as well, that would include his wife
But worry not, with TTIP the problem will not be immigration, all the jobs will go abroad anyway
you're right - Americans don't have any culture and the reason why all these Mexicans, who clearly do have culture, want to move to el norte is because they are stealing back the land they stole from the Native Americans.
Of course, the fact Mexicans dispossessed earlier people to pan for gold and raise cattle doesn't count.
It only counts when white people do it.
Here is what I want to know. When I watch Mexican TV, the most drop dead gorgeous women and men in the Western Hemisphere appear.
But when I see Mexican immigrants, they are short, fat and ugly. It wouldn't be so bad if some of those TV star mexii broads started slipping north.
We are getting the best and brightest. Yeah, right.
Can't we just vote for no one for president, and have executive authority turned over to congress for a term? What right do they have to tie me down and make me watch helplessly as they stack dynamite higher and higher and giggle while they fumble for the matches?
We've had Mr. "no one" as President for almost 7 years now.
"Large sectors of the American electorate are disgusted with the political establishment and will welcome any force that takes it on."
And BINGO was his name O.
Keep your hair on Donald.
That 12 million number of illegals has stayed remarkably static for the past decade or so. Yet more keep coming. Amazing how government numbers work.
probably the best thing you can do to influence the election is tell people of a certain persuasion that you are voting for their candidate. telling people you are voting for someone they dont like only makes it more certain that they will vote. you want all the voters who are for bush or clinton, to stay home. the best way to do that is tell them their candidate is going to win and everyone you know is voting for them. thats what beat Gore in Florida.
What beat Gore in Florida was Gore being Gore.
CNN said Donald Trump 239 times in 24 hours.
CNN is getting his name out there.
How do they avoid the profit potential of the political Kardashian?
The lib media are going to go ape over the Donald, it's going to drive ratings like no other - and take the libs focus off Bernie.
Sure, it's all set up, but maybe, just maybe, there might be a political Black Swan here.
At least we'll get a good laugh out of it while we see the first First World country go down in flames. Few people cared about the Asian crisis, or the Latin America crisis, or even the shitshow that is Ukraine, but the whole world will tune in to watch Greece burn in living color, as all the old people die from lack of food and medicine and the anarchists do what they do best.
I remember watching the Vietnam War on TV as we ate dinner. At the time it seemed to be the patriotic thing to do. Now the world will be watching the same thing in Greece, and wondering when it's their turn.
Donald trump is the Republican party's Bernie Sanders. I sorta like both (particularly Bernie) because America has enough f*cking issues without fully establishing itself as a banana republic governed by Bushes and Clintons while being run by the Banksters/Fed/Military Industrial Complex/CIA- Intelligence Operations/pharmaceutical industry/multi-national corps, etc.
I don't care what happens as a result of any splintering of the f*cking parties by Sanders/Trump. My greatest fear is having a continued Bush/Clinton dynasty interrupted only by the failed Obama experiment. Then the USA will be exposed for the true joke democracy that it most certainly is. And other nations will (properly) deride us and tell America to go f*ck itself as a pretend democracy and fake leader of the world.
Unlike the Greeks who had a 60%+ referendum vote ignored, our joke (nation) could have a president elected by something like 29% of the popular vote/ lol (I guess).
In difficult economic times you get populism and populists. The kind of Farage, Lepen, Salvini etc. They will always exploit xenophobic and racist sentiments brought up in people by the frustration of personal and collective economic stress. Don't forget that the likes of Hitler, Mussolini and others came following the misery of the first world war. At the same time we have to acknowledge that the recent presidents and congresses have provided nothing but failed leadership.
"At the same time we have to acknowledge that the recent presidents and congresses have provided nothing but failed leadership."
Which results in xenophobia.
Let us NOT stipulate that Trump will lose.
That's my personal view below the equator, is how I view the US.
All US candidates are "birds of a feather."
All WASP (White, Anglo-Saxon, Presbyterians).
The worst: megalomaniacs.
The same ideas, the same goals, understand that the US is the world's policeman and his empire will be eternal.
Wishful thinking for an obese population that finds the navel of the world.
Roma in their death throes also in the same situation.
Army of paid mercenaries, breakdown of family unit, crippling taxes, repeal of customary law (the law common to men), acceptance of gay marriage as a natural thing.
Incorrect politcamente, the guy who tells the truth he has in mind is considered offensive.
Sex on the beach is offensive, breastfeeding in public is offensive, teach your child 7 years to shoot a gun is offensive, raise their children to think individually out of state standards is offensive.
Kill a guy coming heed their personal and patrimonial integrity is offensive.
Ranging all the bitch that bore!
Such a society is in its last days.
The world belongs to those who know how to defend and think of solutions.
Believe me, the world is the politically incorrect, these will survive.
:-)
Trump is exactly what this country needs. Fuck the career politicians.
" Fuck the career politicians."
A down vote... and a chickenshit for not explaining.... can you believe....
Heh, God forbid we have someone in office who runs the country like a business .. Let's just keep hiring public sector weenies.
Governments are not supposed to be run like businesses.
Anyways you should be happy as the corporations are in fact running the government by proxy by the morons they choose for us to vote.
Heck,,, With TPP ratification you should be ecstatic! Now businesses run the planet.
For the Corporation, By the Corporation and Of the Corporation.
You, sir, have missed my point entirely. Unless you're a deadbeat, I assume you run your personal affairs like a business, as well.
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"Donald Trump is not a pleasant man. He is egotistical, vain, bombastic, often mean-spirited. He revels in his financial superiority, which he conflates with human goodness. When he contorts his mouth into a kind of tube as he talks, you brace yourself for something outrageous—and it nearly always emerges as expected. His likability quotient, at least in terms of his public persona, is down somewhere in single digits."
Despite the above he is still better suited to the presidency than the incumbent.
He could be worse.
He could be Rick Santelli.
Oh, the agony of choice.
Well sir, would you like to be strangled, garroted, electrocuted, firing squad, drowned, broken on the wheel, hung drawn and quartered, or would you care to choose one of these excellent candidates for president?
There is no choice. Don't misinterpret my comment.
Trump is a fucking cunt. He only thinks of the $$$$ he wants to make:
https://youtu.be/ADecI4xw-yg
More info
I like money.
He, and his ilke, will gladly take ALL of yours by hook or by crook.
He's quoting the lawyer in Idiocracy.
Seven downvotes? Must be the true believers. I guess you can take the Republican out of the party, but you can't take the party out of the Republican. Seems to me some morons here are actually putting their hopes and dreams into an establishment candidate. Ohh well, just shows that the world is littered with useless eaters.
"What’s going on here?
First, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is not going to be president. Neither is he going to get the Republican nomination."
No, how abou t lets stipulate you are an assclown who desperately wants progressive criminals and bankers to hold onto power. TRUMP is a serious threat that could take the nomination and could be elected president.
FOAD assclown.
Grimaldus
Many Americans are sick to death of mealy mouthed politiCONs who speak in long sentences and never say anything for fear of offending someone. The blah grey of PC is laid bare by Trump's black and white, clear, whether you agree with it or not, rhetoric.
Actually I think they are all owned either because they want to be or because someone has dirt on them.
Not so sure with your assessments. Haters gonna hate.
I think they're due next week - but if Trump actually submits his financial statements to the Federal Election Committee - then we'll know he's in this for the long haul. He's merely stating the obvious that so many millions across this land have been saying but to no avail. He has his own bully pulpit from which he can tell it like it is. He's egotistical - but not any more than the lunatic we have now - he's just more bombastic. Big deal. Harry Truman comes to mind - he used to say things that shocked a lot of people too but you can't say he didn't have balls of steel.
"If he runs as an independent candidate in the general election, he will pull perhaps 12 percent of the vote, well below Ross Perot’s 19 percent in 1992 and even below George Wallace’s 14 percent in 1968"
The NO vote in Greece was polled at barely 50%. Turned out to be 60%.
Do not underestimate the electorate.
it's all about the Goobacks! THEY TOOK OUR YOBS?
Hey jackass, they did NOT take my job, but they took the jobs of million of high school kids, who would otherwise have a transition into the work force, but now don't. I have seen so many high school kids, get out of school, and have to compete for low skill jobs with Mexicans in their mid 30's. America does NOT need gardeners, construction workers, house painters, roofers, fry cooks, dishwashers...imported from Mexico, these jobs are gateway jobs, jobs kids get to learn what work is. But today businesses don't want to bother hiring American kids who need to learn the value of work, they will hire a 35 year old Mexican, who has 5 kids at home, all of whom are on government assistance.
We have destroyed all opportunity for the next generation, college is too costly and we have shipped so many jobs overseas, and have imported Mexico's trash to work our low skill jobs. What 35 year old man should be washing dishes at TGI Fridays, or mowing my lawn, or painting my house..? These are jobs for American kids. Instead now the idiot treasonous Federal government has to pay companies to hire kids in the summer.
Immigration is a weapon against America's middle class, and you fools who joke about these trespassers taking American jobs are just pawns in the war against all Americans.
You could not have worded that better. +1000
They have ruined the gateway for natural born citizens, especially minorities to enter the workforce, gain a work ethic and learn a marketable skill.
And totally fucked up the wage protocol for millions of US Citizens.
Fuck Mexico. Fuck Mexicans, Guatamalans, ElSalvadorans and the whole lot. This shit will get real if the useless politicians don't get a handle on it.
A man with nothing to lose can be very dangerous.
And you liberal progressives keep laughing and poking America in the eye. You'll get yours, soon. And it won't be a poke in the eye.
When I was living in Minneapolis Minnesota, the local paper did something that is quite rare, it pointed out a problem all this immigration is causing. But the paper talked about roofing jobs and how in the 70's and 80's these jobs were done by low income African Americans. The job was a good job paying them around 12.50 and hour, and better yet, it gave them experience to start their own business.
Fast forward to today, 95% of roofers are immigrants and most are illegal immigrants. The wage for those jobs has DROPPED to 7.50/hour. Interestingly, while the cost for labor has dropped, and the cost of material has stay the same, the cost have having your roof replaced has gone UP!
Now you drive around Minneapolis and you many African Americans in their 20's with nothing to do, what better group to keep idle, if you are looking to cause social unrest.
We are at war, and it is a war against America, its not the Muslims, its the elites (zionists) who wish to enslave America, and they are winning.
And carpentry, drywall, concrete, landscaping, commercial windows, brick and block laying, painting, pool installation, metal building construction, ductwork, paving crews, underground utilities, insulation ( well, they can have that).
I'm tired, probably forgot about 1 or 200 other trades that have been overwhelmed and totally fucked up by their cheap labor.
And here is the kicker. Now that most of these trades have been decimated for native born, the wages are creeping up, and these these fucking posers are starting to call the shots.
Case in point. My buddy is a painting contractor. Realized about seven years ago, to compete, he HAD to go illeagal immigrant labor. You could not get his " guys" to stop. They wanted to work 7 days a week, 12 hours a day. Send half their money home. And home is NOT here.
Now, work load is picking up, because a lot of contractors went out of business during the housing collapse. They will not work Saturdays, because they play football ( soccer) get drunk and need Sunday to recover. And he is paying $900 a week, cash.
So recap. 4-5 share a house. $900.00 a week cash. No taxes. No worries from any government agency. As a matter of fact, .gov bends over backwards to help them. One was pulled over driving drunk with no Licencse. They cut him loose. Too much trouble for the local cops, and no revenue in this crowd. They won't even show up to court.
What a fucking country.
I wonder how gently and sweetly Mexico handles an illeagal alien?
He has a chance because the economy is tanking and blaming the illegal workers sure resonates with people who are fed up with BS politicians.
A big plus is he is already famous.......it is not like he is a rich nobody.
"Americans have nearly 12 million illegal immigrants in their midst"
I have long believed that there were AT LEAST 30 million and Ann Coulter in her newest book ADIOS AMERICA says THAT is the right figure.
Ronald Reagan, I have SEEN a photocopy of his cancelled check to AMERICANS FOR DEMOCRATIC ACTION which was (is) a COMMUNIST FRONT. The instant he was out office he campaigned for "Assault Weapons" bans and other Marxist crap.
He also gave amnesty through the Simpson-Mazzoli bill, to UNTOLD numbers of ILLEGAL aliens. NOBODY knows how many!! THAT is why California went from a GOP state to a Demonrat state.
Whites need to keep in mind that immigration, legal or illegal, is population replacement; non-whites replacing Whites.
150,000 African immigrants resettled in Minnesota
http://americanborderpatrol.com/
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/
Ted Kennedy is not responsible for the Immigration Act of 1965
Very well said thank you!
This is indeed about destroying America, its ability to function as democracy.
YOU WILL NOTE: The "gang of 8" Senators who were pushing for the Amnesty bill were/are ALL highly paid functionaries of AIPAC and the Jewish lobby. This is the SAME THING they are doing in Europe with the EU.
You will also note that in Israel they have bit more stringent immigration policy, having immigrants subject themselves to a blood test to prove they are Jewish, yet in America they want to borders wide open.
They use their media and Hollywood to force politically correct open borders crap down our throat wile consistently telling us "we are a nation of immigrant", we are not, we are a nation of laws.
Blood test? Being Jewish is a choice of religion, not a 'racial feature'. Blood testing of immigrants is only for racial policies/discrimination.
I doubt Tyler Durden, the author of this article has ever met Donald Trump, let alone talk to him personally. His perception of Trump is solely based on what he has seen in the media, and we all know how dishonest and manipulative they can be. Instead of accepting this false impression of Trump, why not take a time out and listen to the truth behind Trump's words.
As to Trump's likability. I don't especially like my lawyer. I've never invited him to dinner. Likability is not something I put high on my list of qualities I desire in a lawyer. Same for Presidents.
Excatly, you want your lawyer to fight tooth-and-nail for you. Be the biggest asshole if need be. We need a real asshole to claw back what we have lost. I don't believe it will happen in my life time, but that is waht we need. A real hard-ass, truth-talking, muther-fucker who can kick some ass and take names. We can all dream.
As I am writing Fox news is demonization mode agaist Russia/Putin. Now what be Trumps take in the subject? Will he tow the bullshit bad bad Russia. Of course he will. We didn't get to geopolitical subjects.
Trump is a fucking cunt. He only thinks of the $$$$ he wants to make:
https://youtu.be/ADecI4xw-yg
More info
He is an American, and you need a "fucking cunt", to beat them at their own game.
Yea, like the other "candidates" don't think that. You have to be kidding or just plain stupid.
I advise you to check out the Clinton's bank account before and after there stints in pubic office. The others are no different. Go through your representatives. They go in paupers, come out millionaires.
I believe you are quite familiar with fucking cunts - looking at one in the mirror every morning.
Trump is saying that he will actually adress the problems facing the country. In the last election, we heard the Republicans talk a lot about how they were going to stand up to Obama's agenda, then when elected they have done nothing but support it. Guess what guys, we noticed, and now don't believe anything an establishment Repubican says.
The Republican party is lost, trying to hold onto what it has become, which is entrenched politicians. Trump is the only candidate who can beat the Hillary machine.
He will probably be assassinated by a "rogue" illegal alien, acting alone of course.
Double your security, Donald.
Article made me want to regurgitate my lunch. The economist and yougov used as verification of what exactly? Comparing an orange with rotten apples.
I haven't voted in years and most likely won't vote in the next mock election joke but if I did I would probably vote Trump simply because he is hated by the oligarchs that have us in chains.
Compared to Jeb Bush, aka helpless woman killer (Terry Schiavo) and Hillary Clinton, We came, He died (Gaddafi) Trump looks like an angel from heaven itself.
This country has slowly died over the last 150 years with an election every four years that only exacerbated and humiliated it more each time. Look around. The country is a political and moral basket case.
Anyone that think voting matters is not too bright. Hell, Ask the Greeks.
Is your fucktard shill point don't vote Trump by not voting for anybody? Seems so.
SHILL ALERT.
Another example of our fine education system. Reading comprehension course strongly recommended.
And really sad,,. upvoting yourself.
If you don't vote for Trump, you're letting the shills further destroy the country.
Maybe Trump will too because there are no guarantees in life, except for the fact that voting for the shills does guarantee ruination.
First of all, whenerver it says "poll", its is a complete joke. Polling is propaganda used to create public opinion, not to reflect it. Polling companies are about as accurate as cnbc. They are political hacks. Always gave been and always will be.
Trump supported banking and auto bailouts, fuck him
So here we have a hard-working, conventional Republican candidate in Jeb Bush, who has amassed a strong record as a serious politician over many years and has the benefit of a hallowed political name.
This statement tells you where this asshole is coming from. All we need in the USA is more of the Bush Crime Cabal in power. The guy also makes it clear that he thinks Trump has no shot at becoming President. I would tend to agree with that line of thinking only because TPTB are going to get rid of Trump if he becomes a problem for their plans (i.e. Hilliary or Jeb). I hope Trump flips them all the bird and goes on to win . . . .
For the next year, it will be easier than ever to detect a shill. Anybody who says somebody won't be the next President is a shill.
Case in point: Fucktard Robert W. Merry is a shill. That's the only point of this superobvious bit of analysis: to push the idea that Trump can't do it. Despite an election process that lasts over a year, Fucktard Robert W. Merry displays a typical Fucktard contempt for democracy by telling us well over a year before election day who can and can't be President. Why? Because Fucktard Robert W. Merry is a shill. America, land of the shills.
Tyler, don't put up any more posts by fucktard shills.
And you ZH fucktard shills bring better material to the discussion than Fucktard Robert W. Merry. Because if you try and tell us who can and can't be elected, you're going to get it up your ass which is conveniently located in the middle of your head.
I feel ya! Remember when Ron Paul ran for President, and ubershill George Stephanopoulos on ABC outright denied Dr. Paul to his face that he had no chance of winning. So much for journalism being any trustworthy. I never have watched ABC politics since and pray that Mickey Mouse kicks his ass off the air. UP YOURS, GEORGE STUFFIN-ENVELOPES!
All other major politicians are on the Jewish payroll so they push the agenda or find obscurity. This article was a typical hit-job. Read Kevin McDonalds article at theocccidentalobserver.net. for a better perspective.... much more balanced. Ramzpaul has a good link too
and its Jacob "open the gates" Javitts
Minnesota has been flooded with "Africans" because as late as 1975 it was 97.5 % white (evil) and still had the largest American Indian population in the former USA. It is the agenda.
Frostbite Falls courier
I love the guy for the simplefact he is driving the crooks nuts. He is fearless in what he says. It would ve a blast to see him make it through the primaries and run for the whitehouse. I love how everyone acts like it is a foregone conclusion based on absurdity that he will never get elected. We have elected some of the biggest dumbfucks on the planet into political offices at all levels in this country. At least trump has the balls to tell the media to suck it. That makes me love the guy. Hairdo and all. Him ove the fucking retard o blowhole any day of the week. Same for the clinton skank. She is a stupid ass who is married to a molester pimp whore man who is the biggest scheister of them all.
You can say that again!
He/She/It did!
I love the guy for the simplefact he is driving the crooks nuts. He is fearless in what he says. It would ve a blast to see him make it through the primaries and run for the whitehouse. I love how everyone acts like it is a foregone conclusion based on absurdity that he will never get elected. We have elected some of the biggest dumbfucks on the planet into political offices at all levels in this country. At least trump has the balls to tell the media to suck it. That makes me love the guy. Hairdo and all. Him ove the fucking retard o blowhole any day of the week. Same for the clinton skank. She is a stupid ass who is married to a molester pimp whore man who is the biggest scheister of them all.
"So here we have a hard-working, conventional Republican candidate in Jeb Bush, who has amassed a strong record as a serious politician over many years and has the benefit of a hallowed political name."
ROFLMAO, I can't read anymore after that.
"Conventional Republican". Yah, it is because of them and all the "conventional Democrats" that this country finds itself in deep doo-doo.
100% BANKRUPT!
WWW.USDEBTCLOCK.ORG
The U.S. financial leadership makes Greece look like quantum physics scholars.
His message, from both a factual and philosophical standpoint is refreshingly honest and genuine. Agree with it or not, the strong listener will acknowledge his message. The weaker audience will wimper, cry and snivel. It flys in the face of the conventional wisdom so carefully crafted and spoonfed by the MSM. All the other major party candidates are on their heels. So intent with staying in the good graces of their parties, desperately seeking nomination, the other candidates sell out what they really think and believe, spewing the scripted message of their respective party's ideology. All their messages send my BS meter to red. (I now understand why my dad would yell at the TV set) Trump courageously breaks from the false paradigm being peddled by the major parties in concert with corporate media. Not likely he'll get the Republican nod, but I enjoy seeing him shake things up a little bit.
Trump is the biggest ass in the race except for all the others.
That was really funny . . . . and true.
"The Terminator could NEVER get elected Governor of Cali"
Don't hold your breath: Donald knows exactly what to say and to whom.
You think the average American likes Wall st corruption, illegal immigration, inequality, inflation, the fed, et al.? How about Obamacare, Eric Holder and a dual system of justice, war, lobbyists, or defense contractors?
People are fucking pissed off. Nothing would surprise me.
I am with you Brokenarrow.
I can hear it now,,, don't waste your vote on someone who cannot win. Yessir... put your vote to good use by choosing the lesser of evil losers.
Vote for the blood sucking oligarchs that want to suck the last bit of liberty that may still exist. Be a winner!
Trump prefers to steal wages from American workers and not aliens
Wow - Are you that ignorant on how company pay structures are set in this country?
The author is a clown.
Donald's Daughter Ivanka: http://www.pursepage.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/ivanka-trumps-purse2...
Hillary's Daughter Chelsea: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/10/20/2A6BA12100000578-0-image-m-...
The proof is in the pudding.
You need to post a link to Web Hubbel.
I'm techno illiterate with an i-pad, my reading weapon of choice, or I would.
The older she gets..........
Ivanka WOKA WOKA!!
ouch
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OK Tylers - We have had one hit piece from 2 founders of The National Interest, founded in 1985 by Irving Kristol and Owen Harries.
They have declared Trump irrelevant even before the debates. Shows you the establishment thinking.
Now lets have some opposing articles to the status quo sycophants off the "National Interest"
Trump beat the dumb black muslim out of $5m - he's American
Beacause Trump spoke the truth.
A truth-teller can win, but it's deadly.
Rockefeller, Bush, Rotchild cabal is tough competition.
Trump will be POTUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"So here we have a hard-working, conventional Republican candidate in Jeb Bush, who has amassed a strong record as a serious politician over many years"
Jeb Bush? Are you kidding? A flowerpot would be a better POTUS than Jeb Bush (or Hillary Clinton).
BTW, is it me or is this guy asserting that basically, the game is rigged and there's nothing anyone can do to be voted in if he's not called Bush or Clinton?
So, how much lower does he think the USA can still sink?
I'll take Trump over any of the GOP sellouts.
I remeber a few years back during the hieght of the 2008 reccession when everybody was sitting on their wallets; Trump gave a disabled homeless man/bum in a small hick town outside the big metroplex where I live $1,000 - Trump didn't even know the guy.
I will definitely vote for him, because I would love to see him out Obama on the fake birth certificate!!
Although that might be the reasoning Obama uses to put the full force of the federal government towards nailgunning him.
Does Trump have less of a chance than a homosexual radical muslim sidewalk con-artist carny-barker from the sewers of Chicago?
And a drug addict, a junkie junk who lives on giving favors from his A$$ in order to survive the next day
I received a petition today sponsored by Raul Ruiz the Rep for this district (D). He wanted me to support his effort to dis Trump for his comments. I unsubscribed and told him to fuck off.
Bernie is the candidate of real hope and change, somebody that actually represents the majority of Americans on pretty much every serious issue, of which immigration is not. Let's spend more time discussing gay marriage, the ACA, and various other ridiculous topics - meanwhile they are positioning to steal the wealth of an entire nation. Remember George Carlin's: "Their coming for your pensions too, your 401ks...and won't be happy until they get them", this is the end game - more than likely their already gone and turned into other physical assets. When the crash happens the oligarchs will be well-position holding very little fiat currencies, instead they'll be beefed up with PMs, Oil, certain Corporations, Diamonds and Emeralds, etc.
Its pretty clear this is the election that allows an outsider to win, more than anytime in history - even Perot. I agree that Trump won't win or even get the nomination, unfortunately the polls are all distorted one wau or the other so its difficult to get a real perspective beyond the small number of outlets that still have integrity. Trump should be the last person on Earth we would want as our leader - he defines the 1%, he was born with a silver spoon up his ass and out his mouth - besides that, he would be a dangerous idiot. The worst two traits when combined in anybody are: Ignorance and Arrogance, these made George Bush who is was/is, they also define Trump.
Can you imagine if we end up with Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton as President? Even though the country would love to elect a women I'm hoping Americans see past that and actually find out about her, who she really is and what she has done. Jeb is simply an idiot albeit smarter than his brother but of course that isn't saying much is it? The entore Bush family has committed treason - from the grandfather to George to the other, stupider George. BTW, the Bush family now owns more land connected with Aquifers (biggest in the world in South America) globally then any other entity on Earth. This family would poison all other Aquifers in order to corner the market - yeah, I want them back in office!
We have to find a way to come together and get active in order to dictate the outcome of the next election. If you haven't listened to Bernie yet you should, its pretty difficult to disagree with him if your an American that isn't a Billionaire. I'm holding a meeting for him on the 29th, my first ever political effort beyond voting. If the folks at ZH get vocal on these issues it will make a difference, with your friends, your family - convince to learn (or teach them) and most importantly to vote. This can be done and I think it will be done, Americans can lead the world with a guy like Bernie especially if he could convince Elizabeth Warren to be on the ticket (sooner than later) and also put together his cabinet prior to the primary, in this case it makes sense to put the cart before the horse.
Stand with Bernie Sanders, a guy that can and will actually make things better, a lot better - the alternative is the end of our sovereignty, the end of our wealth and the end of our future as control is shifted, for once and for all, to the un-elected oligarchs just like Europe!
Why does Bernie think that he and his gov't are entitled to so much of what I earn and what my family has been able to accumulate through savings and hard work? Socialism is great for the naive and the slackers.
Stipulate my ass!
The opera has just begun. The fat lady hasn't sung.
We'll count our winnings when the dealin's done.
The only trustworthy ELITES are dead ELITES.
Every good point Mr. Merry made was utterly subsumed by the polemical nature of every premise. Each and every statement made in the article pre-supposes singularity of wisdom, truth, feeling and opinion. Absurd. There are always 50,000 shades of grey to every social issue, and only the smug, blind and silly fail to see this.
The only good ELITE is a dead ELITE.
The only good ELITE is a dead ELITE.
What a severely disappointing article!
Merry has overlooked the very words Trump used to explain what has us so upset.
We don't need no steenkin' extra rapists, murderers and child molestors in the US!!
The steenkin' rapists, murderers and child molestors that are already here need to be shipped out of the country to the south side of the WALL or elsewhere!
Did I make myself perfectly clear!
From the author - "... So here we have a hard-working, conventional Republican candidate in Jeb Bush, who has amassed a strong record as a serious politician over many years and has the benefit of a hallowed political name..."
What a total Bull Shit propaganda.
Jeb Bush is a NAZI dirt-bag from a family of NAZI dirt-bags who has spent many of the years after his Florida 'governorship' committing treason sitting on committees at the Council on Foreign Relations working on how to destroy the U.S. and bring in the World Government.
Jeb was so excited about the upcoming NWO, phony 9-11 attack, that as governor he declared martial law in Florida a week before the cabal executed the attacks of September 11, 2001.
“The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
– William Colby, former CIA director
+1
Imho, Donald Trump is the best candidate of the currently known ones. Besides, I like the double meaning of the "Trump 2016"... :-)
It is all really very sad. It is like a rebound marriage. Many people, or at least those who are working and not watching MSM all day from their couches, are totally pissed at the state of affairs. But do we want to rebound to Donald Trump? Ouch, I hurt all over.
Elections represent the true wishes of Americans. Your vote counts!
Elections are rigged from the get go and a complete sham. Your vote is flipped or discarded.
They really hate White people:
Howell Raines, former head editor of the New York Times, who lost his job over the Jayson Blair fraud. Writing in the Times Sunday July 12.
The Dream World of the Southern Republicans