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Donald Trump: A False Flag Candidate?

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Submitted by Justin Raimondo via Antiwar.com,

That we have to take Donald Trump seriously confirms my longstanding prognosis that we’ve entered another dimension in which up is down, black is white, and reason is dethroned: in short, we’re living in BizarroWorld, and the landscape is not very inviting. Yet explore it I must, since the reality TV star and professional self-promoter is rising in the polls, and garnering an inordinate amount of media attention – and whether the latter is responsible for the former is something I’ll get into later, but for now let us focus on what practically no one else is paying much attention to, the Trumpian foreign policy.

Right off the bat, we run into trouble, however, since the signature sound-bites that characterize the Trump style don’t really qualify as anything close to a “policy.” Yet his various effusions on this topic do indeed translate into a mindset, which one might call blowhard-ism. And as much as it resembles the semi-coherent rantings of a drunk loudly pontificating in the dark recesses of some hotel bar at a Rotarians convention, it does reflect some “serious” trends to be found in the high-toned precincts of the foreign policy Establishment, not to mention among Trump’s fellow presidential aspirants in the GOP clown show.

On Iraq, The Donald makes much of his alleged opposition to the Iraq war – a position no one has documented to my satisfaction – but now that we’re back there, what’s Trump’s plan? "We shouldn’t have been there,” he opines, and yet “once we were there, we probably should have stayed.” While this may sound bafflingly counterintuitive, not to mention flat out contradictory, you have to remember two things: 1) In Bizarro World, contradictions do exist, A is B, and the sensible is the impossible, and 2) Similar things were said about the Vietnam war by politicians less obviously nutso than The Donald. As Murray Rothbard put it in a 1968 newspaper column he wrote for the Freedom Newspapers chain:

“A lot of people throughout the country are beginning to realize that getting into the Vietnam war was a disastrous mistake. In fact, hardly anyone makes so bold as to justify America’s entrance into, and generation of, that perpetual war. And so the last line of defense for the war’s proponents is: Well, maybe it was a mistake to get into the war, but now that we’re there, we’re committed, so we have to carry on.

 

“A curious argument. Usually, in life, if we find out that a course of action has been a mistake, we abandon that course and try something else. This is supposed to be the time-honored principle of ‘trial and error.’ Or if a business project or investment turns out to be an unprofitable venture, we abandon it and try investing elsewhere. Only in the Vietnam war do we suddenly find that, having launched a disaster, we are stuck with it forevermore and must continue to pour in blood and treasure until eternity.”

I’m editing a new collection of Rothbard’s work, entitled The Coming American Fascism and Other Essays, due out from the Ludwig von Mises Institute pretty soon, which is where I came upon this, and it got me to thinking: maybe it wasn’t the 9/11 terrorist attacks that tore a hole in the space-time continuum and blew us into Bizarro World – maybe it happened much earlier.

At any rate, The Donald’s bloviations about staying in Iraq are nothing new: the man is a veritable volcano of well-worn bromides which he keeps stored under his toupee and emits when the occasion calls for it. Which wouldn’t distinguish him from most other politicians except for the fact that Trump’s words might as well be coming out of the mouth of a twelve-year-old. For example, in spite of his alleged opposition to the Iraq war, in 2011 he told a reporter:

“I always heard that when we went into Iraq, we went in for the oil. I said, ‘Eh, that sounds smart.’"

Which is precisely what a somewhat disturbed adolescent is wont to do: grab someone else’s lunch money if he thinks he can get away with it. Elaborating on his larcenous plan in 2011, Trump averred:

“I very simply said that Iran is going to take over Iraq, and if that’s going to happen, we should just stay there and take the oil. They want the oil, and why should we? We de-neutered Iraq, Iran is going to walk in, take it over, take over the second largest oil fields in the world. That’s going to happen. That would mean that all of those soldiers that have died and been wounded and everything else would have died in vain – and I don’t want that to happen. I want their parents and their families to be proud.”

Just like the criminally-inclined parents of a juvenile delinquent would be proud of their son’s very first bank heist. As Rothbard was fond of saying: “Are we to be spared nothing?”

Trump’s foreign policy views belie his reputation as an unconventional politician who’s willing to say what others don’t dare even think to themselves. Indeed, he sounds like most of the other GOP presidential wannabes when it comes to the pending nuclear deal with Iran:

Take a look at the deal [Obama’s] making with Iran. [If] he makes that deal, Israel maybe won’t exist very long. It’s a disaster. We have to protect Israel. And we won’t be using a man like Secretary Kerry that has absolutely no concept of negotiation, who’s making a horrible and laughable deal.”

Is Trump willing to go to war with Iran? He positively drools at the prospect:

“America’s primary goal with Iran must be to destroy its nuclear ambitions. Let me put them as plainly as I know how: Iran’s nuclear program must be stopped – by any and all means necessary. Period. We cannot allow this radical regime to acquire a nuclear weapon that they will either use or hand off to terrorists. Better now than later!”

And speaking of drooling, get this:

“Who else in public life has called for a preemptive strike on North Korea?”

I’m glad you asked. The answer is: Ashton Carter and William Perry, the former the current Secretary of Defense and the latter a former Secretary of Defense. In their jointly authored book, Carter and Perry claim then-President Bill Clinton was minutes away from authorizing just such a strike before Jimmy Carter called with the news that the North Koreans were willing to negotiate. And then there’s Rep. Peter King, another loudmouth New Yorker in the Trump mold, not to mention James Woolsey, Bill Clinton’s CIA Director, as well as this guy.

So you think Trump is crazy? He may well be, but he’s just reflecting the general lunacy that afflicts large portions of the political class in this country. Far from opposing the elites, Trump is merely echoing – often caricaturing – their looniest effusions.

Speaking of loony effusions, Bill Kristol has said that he’s sick of the “elite” media dissing Trump. Dan Quayle’s Brain got out his neocon playbook to declare he’s “anti-anti-Trump.” Which is interesting, since the last time a Republican anti-immigration, anti-free trade candidate arose, Kristol and his fellow neocons were in a lather of fear and loathing: that’s because Pat Buchanan was not only one of the dreaded “nativists,” he was also militantly anti-interventionist. Buchanan dared to call out Israel’s amen corner as the agitators for Gulf War I and its successor: for that, he was branded an “isolationist,” a label affixed to him also on account of his economic nostrums. Yet those same nostrums, when given a far cruder expression by Trump, evince a kind of admiration in the Grand Marshall of the laptop bombardiers. And the reason for this is Trump’s limning of the neocons’ penchant for unabashed militarism and grandiose imperialism: The Donald told a Phoenix audience over the weekend that “I’m the most militaristic person in this room.” And his prescription for what we ought to do to counter ISIS sounds like a Weekly Standard editorial:

“I say that you can defeat ISIS by taking their wealth. Take back the oil. Once you go over and take back that oil, they have nothing. You bomb the hell out of them, and then you encircle it, and then you go in. And you let Mobil go in, and you let our great oil companies go in. Once you take that oil, they have nothing left. I would hit them so hard. I would find you a proper general, I would find the Patton or MacArthur. I would hit them so hard your head would spin.”

Finally, one has to wonder about the provenance of the Trump phenomenon. Seemingly coming out of nowhere, it’s been attributed to a populist upsurge against the regnant elites, who are so out of touch with the people that they never saw what was coming. The media, we are told, are biased against Trump – this is one of The Donald’s chief complaints – and now The People are rising up against the Washington-New York know-it-alls with their “big words” and pretentious airs.

Yet this analysis is lacking in one key ingredient: the facts. For the reality is that the media, far from ignoring Trump, have lavished so much attention on him that he’s eating up coverage that would otherwise go to the rest of the crowded Republican field. And that may be a clue as to what’s really going on here….

The usual “mainstream” media tactics regarding a political outsider they hate is to ignore him or her: the example of Ron Paul should suffice to make this point. Indeed, Jon Stewart pointed this out in a memorable “Daily Show” segment, and it took Paul three runs for the White House to get their attention. Trump has suffered no such fate: quite the opposite, in fact. The Donald’s every demagogic pronouncement is faithfully recorded and broadcast far and wide. Over a hundred reporters crowded into his latest appearances in Las Vegas and Phoenix. Jeb Bush, for all the many millions stuffed into his campaign coffers, couldn’t buy that kind of exposure.

This gift to the Trump campaign is being celebrated by Democratic politicos and consultants as if it were manna from heaven. The Republican “brand,” they aver, is being sullied beyond redemption, and they’re watching this unanticipated and providential miracle from the peanut gallery with unalloyed glee.

And yet … just how unanticipated is it?

As San Francisco Chronicle columnist Debra Saunders points out, Trump is not really any kind of Republican, and, what’s more, his links to the Clintons are well-documented and close:

“In 1987, Trump registered as a Republican in New York. But in 1999, he registered with the Independence Party. In 2001, he registered as a Democrat. In 2009 he was back in with the GOP.

 

“Hillary Rodham Clinton sat in the front row at Trump’s 2005 wedding with Melania Knauss.

 

“According to Politico, Trump has donated more than $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

 

“In the 2006 cycle, Trump donated $5,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, $20,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, but only $1,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

 

“When Trump flirted with running for president in 2012, CNN reported he had given $541,650 to federal Democratic candidates and committees since 1990 – more than the $429,450 he contributed to GOP candidates and committees.”

National Review‘s Jonah Goldberg rips the veil off Trump’s alleged nativism in a by turns anguished-and-amused plea to his fellow conservatives not to be taken in by The Donald’s act:

“You seem to think he’s an immigration hardliner, and he’s certainly pretending to be. But why can’t you see through it? He condemned Mitt Romney as an immigration hardliner in 2012 and favored comprehensive immigration reform. He told Bill O’Reilly he was in favor of a ‘path to citizenship’ for 30 million illegal immigrants:

 

“Trump: ‘You have to give them a path. You have 20 million, 30 million, nobody knows what it is. It used to be 11 million. Now, today I hear it’s 11, but I don’t think it’s 11. I actually heard you probably have 30 million. You have to give them a path, and you have to make it possible for them to succeed. You have to do that.’

 

“Question: Just how many rapists and drug dealers did Donald Trump want to give green cards to?”

Trump has been playing the media with his supposed presidential ambitions for years, but it was clear then that it was just The Donald doing what he does best – promoting himself. So why now has he suddenly turned “serious”? I give that word scare quotes because 1) Serious is not a word one associates with a clown, and 2) It’s not at all clear that, for all his megalomania, he really thinks he can win the White House. He may be a lunatic but he’s far from stupid.

And so the question jumps out at us: Why now?

Although I have no concrete proof of my theory, there’s plenty of circumstantial evidence. His ties to the Clintons, his past pronouncements which are in such blatant contradiction to his current fulminations, and the cries of joy from the Clintonian gallery and the media (or do I repeat myself) all point to a single conclusion: the Trump campaign is a Democratic wrecking operation aimed straight at the GOP’s base.

Donald Trump is a false-flag candidate. It’s all an act, one that benefits his good friend Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party that, until recently, counted the reality show star among its adherents. Indeed, Trump’s pronouncements – the open racism, the demagogic appeals, the faux-populist rhetoric – sound like something out of a Democratic political consultant’s imagination, a caricature of conservatism as performed by a master actor.

Now I realize this is a “conspiracy theory,” and, as we all know, there are no conspiracies in politics. In that noble profession, everything is completely aboveboard and on the level – right?

Like hell it is.

 

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Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:03 | 6308988 Dixie Flatline
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Trump is in it for Trump.  Pretty simple.  I enjoy watching him make people squirm though.  If election season is a circus, might as well have some clowns.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:06 | 6309000 813kml
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Donald Trump: A False Everything Candidate

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:07 | 6309001 Publicus
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God bless Donald Trump and keep him and his family safe from harm.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:10 | 6309016 Bumpo
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If people like Rand Paul would stand up and speak the unvarnished truth about Immigration, Trump wouldn't be necessary.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:11 | 6309022 Publicus
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Donald Trump/Ron Paul ticket.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:23 | 6309074 Usurious
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trump=ross perot....another 8 yrs of clinton/NWO/tradgey and hope.............

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:35 | 6309124 bigkahuna
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We're getting nwo hope and change no matter who appears to be elected. This is not going to end until enough people get disenfranchised enough to end it.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:50 | 6309187 847328_3527
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Well, after the dolts voted Bush in twice and Barry twice, I'm ready to expect anything.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:17 | 6309261 J S Bach
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A leader of truth will never arise from the oligarch class.

There was one and only one leader who comes to mind that had the courage to speak the truth about the usurious villains who lord over us.  Such a person can only emerge from the forges of suffering at the hands of the oligarch system.  Alas... due to the dumbed-down "education" people receive today, I cannot imagine in my wildest fantasy that such a person would exist today... one who has the wherewithal and discipline to self-enlighten on every level and to the same degree... and thus propel himself by sheer willpower to any position of leadership.  Hopefully, I will be proved incorrect.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:23 | 6309304 Save_America1st
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Dudes....

 

He's totally a false candidate...wake the fuck up. 

Look up online how much he has contributed to the Hilldabeasts campaign.  Nuff said.

He's putting himself out there as a decoy to further balkanize and divide everybody, and the plan is so that most people will then think that the Hilldabeast is a so-called "moderate". 

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

I hope....hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, at least on here that I'm ACTUALLY preaching to the fucking FIGHT CLUB CHOIR about this.

Trump is exactly what his name-sake is....A TRUMP CARD, and a total shill.

Actually, for one...I shouldn't even have to be telling you all this.  And two...nobody at this point who knows what the fuck is going on regardless of this Trump piece of shit, this Hilldabeast piece of shit, this Jeb Bush piece of shit, and all the other loser pieces shit should even be having any issues at this point with all these scumbag, psychotic, sociopathis, pieces of shit!!!!

Geezus fucking criminy, peeeps...get the fuck over it.

DO NOT FUCKING VOTE.

AT ALL!

DO NOT!!!

FUCKIN' A!!!

Is it that hard to just practice what we fucking preach?  Sure the fuck isn't for me!  Just turn your back.  Do not vote.  Do not give any of these scumbags your consent.  Enough is enough for fucking crying out loud.  Fuck...

Walk away.

Walk away.

Walk the fuck away mother fuckers!  Walk away...

Fuck man...it's not that fucking hard is it???????  And if it is...WHY IS IT???????????

Do what you need to do according you YOUR SELF!  That's fucking it in a fucking nutshell, bitchezz...

Geez....throw these fucking douchebags off your backs.  Stop being sucked into the right/left paradigm or the "this against that" paradigm...

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

This is all a fucking scam, shamokery.

Man....just take fucking care of your fucking family and friends if you can.  Do your best but don't kill yourself over it, especially over those who can't, won't, or don't, have a clue and won't wake the fuck up.

Just do what you need to do and that will be good enough.

Fuck these assholes who want to rule our lives.  They're all scumbags and sociopaths.  Fuck 'em.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:28 | 6309326 Condition 1SQ
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You know, even if he is the anti-christ, I think he is an example of what the Republicans need.  A guy willing to offend all the little schmucky PC weenies out there.  Look at the political landscape in the US.  It's full of a bunch of pussies who trip over themselves to please everyone, all hoping to barely eek out a victory.  We need someone with a powerful mind and a set of nuts, not another eunuch in a suit.  Of course, no corporate donor would throw in with a renegade, which is why we see another endless parade of metrosexual clones with absolutely no original ideas.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:31 | 6309342 Nothing To See Here
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"We need someone with a powerful mind and a set of nuts, not another eunuch in a suit. "

That's exactly who Ron Paul was, except he made a lot of sense and represented true hope for a free, prosperous and peaceful society. But now you would try to sell Trump?

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:52 | 6309412 Nobody For President
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My candidate is lookin' better all the time..

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:39 | 6309522 Save_America1st
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Exactly...if they run for "president" that's the dead give-away what kind of fucked up sociopaths they are and we should hang 'em.  It's game over at this point.  fuck 'em.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 02:36 | 6309691 Cliff Claven Cheers
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I think the author  Justin Raimondo is a disinfo shill.  Trump is the only one who cares about America. 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 03:14 | 6309735 HowdyDoody
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That Trump is seriously being considered is a damning indictment in itself.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 05:00 | 6309813 Four chan
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trump or that criminal murderous drug dealer clinton? i'll take the former.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:26 | 6309322 Nothing To See Here
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Just like the Republican base was braindead enough to not support Ron Paul when they had the chance, two times may I say, they are braindead enough to take Trump to the top of the polls. The dems and the Clinton corporation absolutely do not need an advanced, secret strategy in order to derail the GOP base and make them chose a ridiculous leader. Heck, I wouldnt be surprised if a tool like Rick Santorum, Lindsay Graham or Jeb Bush would get in the top 3 after Super Tuesday.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 03:16 | 6309736 HowdyDoody
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It's almost as if the GOP wants Obama, sorry Hitlery, to win.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 08:22 | 6310188 Obama LaForge
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I'm calling it right now: I think Donald Trump is going to be the next president of the United States. I'm going to reserve judgment as to whether or not that's a good or bad thing.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:30 | 6309331 AlgorithmOfCons...
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Society is too fragmented intellectually to have someone with the fortitude, will and gravitas to 'rise from the ashes of suffering.' Yet simultaneously, the technocratic future that Huxley envisioned for us has clearly also created a certain unifying force in American society - the rise of sameness and monoculture in a consumerist synthetic culture - in talk, walk, thought, wardrobe and mannerisms.  Combine the fact that the U.S., like Rome, is an empire premised on a melange of multiculturalism - different ethnicities and cultures - then it becomes clear why the only tethering force to unify this mass melting pot mosaic is the consumerist monoculture promoted by the false idols and money masters. 

While the technocratic transhumanist bankster overlords guide us toward 'world governance' (remember, not government, as they are more nuanced and subtle than that), that system simultaneously contains and grows the seeds of its own destruction, in direct entropic proportion to its success, as all systems move toward disorder. I rather enjoyed "The Breakdown of Nations" by Leopold Kohr on this point, which is a fascinating read for any curious minds who still read books.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:23 | 6309464 LetThemEatRand
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"Society is too fragmented intellectually to have someone with the fortitude, will and gravitas to 'rise from the ashes of suffering.' "

My first reaction was to disagree with the first sentence of your post as much as I enjoyed the rest, because America is hardly intellectually anything.  But then again, if one reads this site he will see many smart people who are fragmented as you say.  So my initial reaction was wrong upon further consideration.  Great post.

All empires die, including fascist ones.  Technology may have changed that equation, for better or worse.  Rome did not have the NSA or smart bombs, but it also did not have derivatives, the internet, and average guys with automatic weapons.

Wed, 07/15/2015 - 21:39 | 6317930 Wannabe_Oracle
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Who's your boss...

Wed, 07/15/2015 - 21:42 | 6317945 Wannabe_Oracle
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"Rome did not have the NSA or smart bombs, but it also did not have derivatives, the internet, and average guys with automatic weapons."

So you're comparing the Us Military to average guys... Really.....?

 

Wed, 07/15/2015 - 21:42 | 6317946 Wannabe_Oracle
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"Rome did not have the NSA or smart bombs, but it also did not have derivatives, the internet, and average guys with automatic weapons."

So you're comparing the Us Military to average guys... Really.....?

 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 06:17 | 6309882 Fukushima Fricassee
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Word

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:23 | 6309312 kridkrid
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We were getting NWO in '92 as well. Pendulum swings in the "show" keeps the lemmings engaged. Plus, there are very practical things that can be done by a "D" vs an "R" and vice versa. Bush couldn't have gotten NAFTA or GATT, for example.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:42 | 6309381 Meat Hammer
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Nothing changes until the Fed is dead. Nothing.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:26 | 6309493 LetThemEatRand
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The Fed already has the first life boat waiting if needed.  The best case scenario for us is that the Fed's owners need to use the lifeboat, and that they take a few decades to reach shore again.  Those would be good decades.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 01:21 | 6309602 mbutler101
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You will get your wish, but only because they have outlived their usefulness. Probably one rate hike to go before they are thrown under the nwo bus.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:39 | 6309518 I need Another Beer
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Are you saying Trump is not running as a Republican but out the gate as an Independant as Perot ?

 

Dumb ass

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:24 | 6309078 Bilderberg Member
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Sorry but I must concur that North Korea be made into a Walmart Superstore parking lot.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:29 | 6309334 jeff montanye
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with perhaps the worst pothole downtown seoul:

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-no-one-in-korea-wants-war-2013-4

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:27 | 6309091 Buckaroo Banzai
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If you don't intend to vote, you don't have to care what the fuck The Donald is, or is not.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:50 | 6309186 Mr. Magoo
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As if your vote even matters, This another way to dupe everyone get them all riled up then in the end it will come down to Clinton and Bush the 2 PRE selected NOT elected candidates after trump and the rest of the losers drop out of the race towards the end. People will get disgusted just like they did with Romney after Ron paul dropped then it will be allot easier for them to manipulate the numbers since most will not go to polls when the choice is given between Hitlery and Uncle Jeb

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:22 | 6309306 daveO
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This is it, exactly. By discouraging the white vote at the end of the campaign, like Perot '92, the NWO candidates can laugh all the way to inauguration day.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:33 | 6309348 jeff montanye
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61% of the greeks voted no to the ecb, imf and eu.

95% of crimea voted to ally with russia.

pot's legal in denver.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:38 | 6309371 Tall Tom
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They just do not get it...

 

The vote in Greece on july 5th did not matter.

 

There is no Government on the globe where votes actually count.

 

They are blind, and intentionally blind, at that. It is very sad actually that they are this SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

 

Eh...They make great pets as they are easy to rule. They are just so damned expensive and many will have to be put to sleep as the affordability of Health Care continues to invrease.

 

Fucking Socialized Medicine. May Mitt Romney and his minions, ROT IN HELL for authoring the damned ACA and implementing it in Massachusettes as a Trial Run.

 

These people, these VOTING STATEISTS, are all a bunch of God damned Collective Socialists.

 

It is evidential as they picked the AUTHOR of the Unaffordable Medical Care Act to represent them on the Red Team, while on the Blue Team, they had the initiator of that act selected as their candidate.

 

Two Socialists running against one another...And guess what The Socialist won? Amazing ain't it?

 

But they are so FUCKING SLOW AND BRAIN DEAD that they cannot SEE IT.

 

Or they are so God damned DISHONEST that they refuse to see it and talk about that WHICH THEY'VE DONE.

 

Either way we are fucked. It really does not matter. They PRETEND to be somebody that they are not on these pages in order to manipulate you to SUPPORT THEIR BULLSHIT PARTY. But they are not authentic, are posing, and Tyler, through posting articles as this, does a wonderful job of exposing the POSERS as they post on these pages.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:12 | 6309469 Oldwood
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The Greek referendum was not to enforce any policy. It was so the EU could publicly demonstrate their omnipotence over the Greeks. The Greeks said NO and the EU said FUCK YOU. The Greek government is now licking their boots. This was never about money for the unionists, it is about power. Not a soul on this planet thinks the Greeks will ever pay this debt, but the Greeks WILL kneel to their overlords.....as will all the rest before it is over....even Germany.

The Euro nations have all managed to get their nuts into the fists of the unionists, all dependent on some aspect of the Union for their survival. Sure they see destruction in their future but this is not about the people but their leadership. Those who have not already been bought are now finding themselves blackmailed with potential loss of office, influence and power. 

Look at how the republicans in America kneel before the media, denouncing hatefacts and insensitive speech. Everyone eventually falls in line. Even southerners are taking down their flags after 150 years. The last symbol of resistance to the union, to the ever greater centralization of power and remoteness of accountability. Gone.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 06:42 | 6309906 jughead
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I don't intend to vote...for moar of the same morons.  Wake me when some party somewhere actually fronts a decent candidate. 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:31 | 6309112 realmoney2015
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Trump was for banning 'assualt' weapons...shall not be infringed! 

Next!

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:00 | 6309181 palmereldritch
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Trump/Fiddy Cent
2016


Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:37 | 6309075 Tall Tom
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Government is NOT a necessary evil. But Governments are EVIL by necessity.

 

Anyone who votes for anybody else to LEAD THEM are mindless fools and state-ists.

 

Those who vote legitimizes the evil and are most deserving of the evil which shall befall them.

 

May God damn them all straight to hellfire.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:40 | 6309140 Tall Tom
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I am eagerly looking forward to the junker's disillusionment.

 

It will be a glorious day when that which is evil is destroyed.

 

Of course the junker CELEBRATES EVIL.

 

I will celebrate that which is Good, wholesome, and noble.

 

They make themselves known on these pages.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 01:23 | 6309605 buyingsterling
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bollocks.

We share space now. You want to be personally consulted about all of the thousands of decisions to be made to keep things going? No one is stopping you from becoming a hermit.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 07:31 | 6310016 Tall Tom
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So you are just another collectivist socialist, believing himself entitled to that which is another's, that which belongs to someone else?

 

Enjoy your nightmare, your Socialist's paradise, your Hell.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 09:02 | 6310351 Flakmeister
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Why don't you head off to your Libertarian paradise also known as Somalia....

No pesky gubmint to interfere with your life there...

And don't let the door hit your ass on the way out....

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:55 | 6309206 p00k1e
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Yea, why doesn’t Rand Paul stand up and speak the unvarnished truth about Immigration?

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:04 | 6309244 froze25
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Rand Paul doesn't get that type of media exposure. You can find his views on immigration on youtube and his site. 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:17 | 6309051 LasVegasDave
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Zero Hedge is a false flag operation.

There, fixed it for you.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:25 | 6309086 Usurious
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the fact that you are still here is evidence that ZH is run by the TRIBE.........

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:58 | 6309218 MarkGoldman
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Keeping their enemies closer, every IP is a name, address and SS# away when you are the TRIBE.........

 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:20 | 6309065 Redneck Hippy
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Trump is the unvarnished Id of the Republican Party.  He says out loud what the rest of them only have wet dreams about.

Of course, its all bullshit.  He would say the exact opposite if it got him the attention he needs.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:45 | 6309162 bigkahuna
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Things like controlling international borders?

Oh yeah, the sheep think thats racist anymore.

What will be racist next? Defending our homes? Perhaps the English road and business signs? Thats ok, the sheep can go learn whatever language is en vogue can't they - lol!!! 

 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 06:41 | 6309902 nightwish
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Only one problem with this trump/false flag theory: The liberal media and networks tried viciously to destroy him. They probably would've laid back a bit more if this theory holds true than how they actually responded. Of course Hillary is gleeful, as she sees the Republican party even more divisive than before. Its too bad Hillary doesnt realize that the Jewelry have secretly endorsed Sanders. The time has come for a J president, much like past fedres chairs weaned off goy. I say they'll throw hillary under a bus coming up and push Sanders harder in the media. She'll be like 'wait, what?'

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:29 | 6309102 Bush Baby
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Justin Raimondo , why does a nice Irishman like yourself despise Trump?

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:01 | 6309226 Billy the Poet
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Try to understand that Trump's job is to make conservatives look foolish. He get's some things right and some things wrong all while screaming like a banshee in an effort to gety you to support him so that you look as moronic as he does, But he's doing it on purpose and you're not.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:22 | 6309308 Bush Baby
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I'm afraid that the motives of anyone with a Spanish last name that does a hit piece on someone who is against illegal immigration will be judged with suspicion.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:36 | 6309340 Billy the Poet
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And one should rightly be far more suspicious of the motives of those whose names we do not know at all because they post anonymously on the Internet.

 

As for Mr. Raimondo's views on immigration, a 5 minute search turned up this:

 

Nothing  enrages our liberal elites like the suggestion that we need to control immigration from our southern neighbor. In response to the Arizona law, the legal affairs editor of the New York Times says she is boycotting the state where "breathing while undocumented" is a crime. Notice the phraseology: they’re not illegal immigrants, they’re just "undocumented." Try telling the IRS that all those home office deductions aren’t illegal, they’re merely "undocumented," and see how far it gets you. The point being that illegal immigration is – gasp! – illegal, i.e. against the law. So why isn’t the law being enforced?

While we’re expending tremendous resources in trying to introduce some sort of order to the wilds of Afghanistan, the wilds of Arizona, New Mexico, and the entire American Southwest are under siege by criminal gangs, the drug cartels, in effect extra-state actors with malign intent – with no discernible response from the Feds. The Arizona state legislature is merely filling a void left by Washington, which refuses to face a very real and growing problem.

Okay, you might ask, so what’s your solution to the problem, Mr. Smarty-pants? A logical question, with an inescapably logical answer: stop trying to protect Afghanistan’s border with Pakistan and start protecting our own border with Mexico. Make the border airtight. In short, start using the resources of the federal government to carry out its one-and-only legitimate function: securing and protecting our borders.

 

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/04/27/south-of-the-border/

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 06:46 | 6309915 jughead
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Oh fucking do 10 seconds of homework to find out who Justin is, Bush Boobie...or just admit that you are an Idiocrat. 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:31 | 6309103 Bush Baby
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Real easy to pick apart a candidate, let's talk about Hillary, shall we?

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:04 | 6309240 Billy the Poet
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Can't we just try to improve our own lives in our own ways instead of spending eighteen months and billions of dollars fighting over which puppet the elites will select next?

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 02:53 | 6309709 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Nobody cares,

what you have to say,

Because when you are a cock sucker,

your opinion is gay.

 

 

I once knew a poet named Billy,

He kept a dead (male) whore in his cave,

I must admit it stunk like shit,

but think of the money he save.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 04:37 | 6309799 Billy the Poet
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That doesn't scan. This does:

 

There once was a fellow named Claven,
Who quite enjoyed rantin' and ravin'.
While short on some wit,
His head's full of shit,
Without it his skull would just cave in.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 08:02 | 6310115 Tall Tom
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If you are going to do it then be cruel...

 

 

The socialist vomit named Cliff

His stench would kill one with a whiff

Necrophillia his game

Rotten bodies smell game

His joy comes from fucking a stiff.

 

 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 06:47 | 6309917 jughead
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You sir are a poet, but don't know it.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:33 | 6309347 daveO
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Hillary has a huge problem with white males.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/hillary-clinton-s-white-ma...

Donald riles them up and then drops them like a teenager on prom night. Bingo! Hillary gets in by the planned voter suppression when they don't show up to vote for yet another Bush. 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 08:26 | 6310210 Tall Tom
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Real easy to pick apart a candidate, let's talk about Hillary, shall we?

 

 

When one gets too close to the truth then one can always resort to the deviousness of distraction. Yeah. That works on most of the public.

 

So are you employed by the Trump Campaign?

 

Seripusly you are shilling.

 

Hillarity is just as much of a work of the vile vomit of Satan as trump is. Hell those two are in bed with one another as Trump supported Clonton's agenda.

 

Picking apart Trump is just like picking apart Hillarity after all.

 

But you wish us to believe that there is a difference between the selected candidates when fundamentally they are ALL one and the same....no matter to which Party they belong.

 

 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:03 | 6309238 A Lunatic
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El Chapo told him to STFU, thus setting the stage for a CIA hit with the blame going to the Cartel. Scenario two is Trump gets the Republican nomination and it's a choice between Trump and Hillary for 2016.......

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:36 | 6309366 daveO
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Unfortunately, I've had the same thought about assassination. Even worse, it's the only way I'd believe him to be the real deal. 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 06:51 | 6309928 jughead
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Trump has about as much of chance of getting the GOP nomination as you have of having a foursome with Hillary, Huma and El Chapo

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:59 | 6309557 RaceToTheBottom
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He gets my salute every time I flush.

 

Trump fulfils his role in life every time he leaves my rump.

 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:07 | 6309005 Ignatius
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Trump is a buffoon.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:22 | 6309309 Condition 1SQ
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Oooohhh me so PC!

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:08 | 6309454 Billy the Poet
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Voting for a powerful media savvy elitist is very PC. Being Ready for Trump doesn't make one an independent minded,  self reliant individual any more than being Ready for Hillary does.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:27 | 6309093 A Nanny Moose
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Especially that rug.

Controlled opposition. Divide and Conquer.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:09 | 6309266 Billy the Poet
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Trump is one of the rare examples where the "controlled opposition" charge is almost certainly true.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:26 | 6309321 Rebel yell
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I agree. I doubt Trump would be willing to lose 11 major contacts to catapult Hillary to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. I don't think he would willingly make an ass out of himself for her either. Nevertheless, he has managed to do both. Watching Trump makes me feel like I'm on an acid trip. He never ceases to amaze me!

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:18 | 6309475 Gold Eyed Cat
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Trump is a false-flag candidate....  So how is that different from any other candidate we've ever had?

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:24 | 6309482 Billy the Poet
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Most politicians try to win while Trump is trying to lose spectacularly, the idea being to discredit certain ideas he promotes along the way.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 01:06 | 6309540 Gold Eyed Cat
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(edited!)  I belittled you for being naive, BP.  Deleted it because you are completely entitled to your opinion.  Please feel free to vote for whomever you think is the really real candidate that really means it for real.  (And thus avoiding the fake candidates that are clearly very different.)  I wish you all the best!

The down vote was me too.  Apparently, I'm in a wicked mood tonight. Sorry  :p

 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 01:17 | 6309594 Billy the Poet
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How could I possibly "feel free" to vote for my next oppressor? Not voting is the only option for an individual of character.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 01:24 | 6309607 Gold Eyed Cat
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Thats what I fucking said in the first post!  :p  They're ALL the same!

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 01:50 | 6309645 Billy the Poet
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You asked why Trump was being described as a "false flag candidate" and how he is different from the average bloviating windbag and I provided an explanation: Trump is in it to lose it unlike most other politicians.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 02:44 | 6309684 Gold Eyed Cat
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Either the differences in political candidates matter to you, or they do not. 

If Trump's motivations and promises matter to you, then feel free to vote for the candidate you feel is best.

If you do not believe in voting at all, then the candidate's motivations and promises do NOT matter.

I merely feel that this article accusing Trump of being a duplicitous false-flag candidate is RIDICULOUS considering all politicians/candidates are absolutely going to lie, and scheme, and do what is best for themselves.  They can change their minds, their positions, and their plans in a single heartbeat.

It's silly speculating at this stage of the game, anyway.  Hot tubs, nail guns, blackmail, martial law, heart attacks, plane crashes, kidnapped grandchildren, world war 3, Diebold "voting" machines, global economic collapse, Ebola outbreak, asteroid collision, and alien invasion... all stand between today and the next election.    heh!

I never meant to ask you for an actual explanation of anything.  I felt it was clearly rhetorical.  (As in "Wow, this plie of fresh dog doo stinks!" and "How is that different from any other pile of fresh dog doo?") 

Sorry I wasted our time discussing something so meaningless.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 02:59 | 6309717 Billy the Poet
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There are any number of things which I observe and form options about without feeling the need to cast a vote. For example, I'm wondering why you've spent so many words not debating a topic in which you claim to have no interest and yet I  don't feel compelled to vote on the matter one way or the other.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 05:20 | 6309826 Gold Eyed Cat
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(That last sentence.  Right there is where I abruptly realized, I have been conversing with a bombastic buffoon or an actual unsupervised keyboard-wielding baboon. I should have stuck with my first instinct and just replied, "That's exactly what a douche bag would say." But I thought I'd attempt at being nice.  My mistake.)

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 01:37 | 6309628 buyingsterling
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so noble. so upright and strong in your defense of liberty.

I read you as saying that wanting a lesser evil is wrong. Because the system is corrupt, anyone with any dignity should surrender the actual levers of power to the corrupt. Read that last line again.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 01:54 | 6309656 Billy the Poet
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The power of the individual lies in his ability to innovate and thrive within a corrupt world despite that corruption.  Voting is the illusion of power and the illusion that the world is perhaps not so corrupt after all. It's a trap.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 06:53 | 6309934 jughead
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I'm voting for the only real candidate there is or has been since I was old enough to vote: Snoopy

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:52 | 6309542 Wannabe_Oracle
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Big damn thanks! It's refreshing to know that there are some people out there who get what's going on... ;-)

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:08 | 6309007 atlasRocked
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This reads like a typical liberal trying to get the topic off of Donalds substantive remark about immigration.    "Let's talk about the wars, no immigration."

No one can fix the government right now, an Article 5 is needed.

But Donalds remarks were spot on - immigration illegality is a huge issue now - different now than in 2012.   

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:17 | 6309049 Dixie Flatline
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This reads like a typical liberal trying to get the topic off of Donalds substantive remark about immigration.

 

Of course, that is why Trump MUST BE DESTROYED.  He said something that upset the two party evil money cult.  It is funny watching the nihilist "voting doesn't matter" crowd up in arms about Trump's existence though.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:40 | 6309142 Bush Baby
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Y ou have no idea how much joy I get from watching a candidate speak his mind, rather than tip toe over egg shells in order to avoid offending a single potential voter

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:12 | 6309277 Billy the Poet
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Justin Raimondo is not a "liberal" unless you mean that in the classical sense. He's got far better libertarian credentials than Donald Trump or any members of his clown car contingent who are posting here today.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:44 | 6309386 daveO
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Remember when Governor Palin did the same thing and the New York City (Donald's hometown) propagandists made her out to be an ignoramus? Now, they're carrying his water by giving him airtime.  

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:38 | 6309516 Triple A
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Donald doesnt care about getting elected, so how can he offend voters. Did you read the article and his position on war, that dude cant wait to go to war with iran or isis. he is as bad as hillary, hell, they are best friends. Donald is a fraud.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:38 | 6309517 Triple A
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Donald doesnt care about getting elected, so how can he offend voters. Did you read the article and his position on war, that dude cant wait to go to war with iran or isis. he is as bad as hillary, hell, they are best friends. Donald is a fraud.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:54 | 6309201 Oldwood
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This guy may be right but given that he is saying Trump is racist in his remarks completely negates the validity of his arguments. We will listen to ALL candidates and listen closely. Trump may be a shill, a wrecking ball, but God knows the Republican party needs one. Trump has spoken the truth about immigration, and one truth does not make a candidate, but why are so many candidates repudiating him? Could it be because they are competiting with him, and could it be that they are afraid.....just like Mcstain and Romney were? The guy with a knife up his sleeve is always talking of the importance of a fair fight. Republicans are too stupid and afraid of the media to even mention important topics much less act upon them.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:16 | 6309293 Billy the Poet
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You've almost got it.

 

why are so many candidates repudiating him

 

Because it's Trump's job to make certain issues (like border security) sound so insane that absolutely no one will ever stand up for them again. That's his job and he's doing it perfectly. To me he seems to be waaaay over the top but I guess that's what you need to do in today's Simpsonized world.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:52 | 6309411 samsara
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"Because it's Trump's job to make certain issues (like border security) sound so insane that absolutely no one will ever stand up for them again."

 

A firemen would call that "Back BurningYou burn the wood in front of the fire, hence  robbing it of future fuel.

 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:57 | 6309426 Billy the Poet
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Nice analogy.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:28 | 6309496 Oldwood
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Not likely as the Republicans have pretty much given up on even voter ID. Mainstream Republicans won't even talk about immigration as they are scared to death to be called racist. Leftist Hispanic leaders have learned well from the blacks. Go to ANY city council meeting and listen for claims of racism. The white folks will trip themselves by trying to get on their knees to beg forgiveness and GIVE them anything they want.

Trump has said nothing that is not true regarding iimmigration. If that is back burning or ending an opportunity for conversation, then there was never a conversation to be had. Our government has passed bills to build walls and add border security and most has never been acted upon. They won't pass spending appropriations to pay for it....but they sure as fuck will for Obamacare. If you haven't noticed there is no conversation about illegal immigration beyond making it easier and creating a pathway to legality. Once we also choose to ignore our laws regarding theft I suppose we can shrink our prison population by simply asking the thieves to say they are sorry and will never do it again.

Trump may be a shill, intent on destroying the Republicans, but if this is such a ploy, those plotters may find more than they bargained for. People have remained silent for a long time and that has given these politicians a confidence and arrogance that may be their undoing. This may be a back fire that when the wind turns may take out the whole damned thing.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 09:39 | 6310512 Grimaldus
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Would be ironic for you or one of your family members to die at the hands of an illegal alien. Or be raped, assaulted, or robbed by one.

Thousands of dead American citizens, murdered by illegal aliens would probably argue for your conviction as accessory to murder if they could. But they are dead, aren't they? And you care not, acting like those lives are ridiculous to consider. The politicians who have enabled the illegal alien murders of innocent American citizens are guilty of premeditated capitol murder on a scale that is off the charts. Killing American citizens for votes.

American lives are "way over the top" for you huh?

Better not publish your address motherfucker.

Grimaldus

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:00 | 6309204 Mr. Magoo
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Sorry to rain on the Trump parade and expecting many downvotes by the looks of the Trumpmania on this thread but Trump has as much as a chance as did Ross Perot, you forget you are dealing with the 2 biggest crime families in the U.S. But I know the truth hurts doesn't it. Remember Rainbows and unicorns are fictional characters in this evil world unless your a Homo tripping on acid

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:20 | 6309305 Billy the Poet
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Perot was far more reasonable than Trump. He was a successful man who was "a character," while Trump is a media whore who has adopted a character for a very specific purpose and has likely forgotten where the character stops and the real man begins.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:22 | 6309311 Dixie Flatline
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And here is where your "credibility" dies.  ONCE.AND.FOR.ALL.

Perot?  lmfao.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:44 | 6309383 Billy the Poet
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Two plus two equals four but you must disagree because I said it and I have lost all credibility, IN CAPITAL LETTER NO LESS.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:54 | 6309419 daveO
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Perot is still more reasonable, to me. He was a real businessman, not just a show man. Also, and this is the biggie, he was from Texas, not NYC. The NYC propagandists attacked Perot all the way. Check for SNL skits. That meant he was a real threat. He was threatened somehow above what he said publicly. Probably with the IRS, as usual. Another thing is, when he ran again in '96, they shut him out of the debates. 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:47 | 6309535 Oldwood
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Instead of focusing on Trump, why not focus on his message? Is it false? There are lots of things to dislike about Trump....and all the others, but what about the message. Are we going to be Greeks here and let our voices of approval for Trump's one agenda be silenced by the media or our wise and loving leaders? Are we going to allow ourselves to be called haters and racists and worse simply because we will not bare our ass to their prodding? At what point will we stop finding reasons to dismiss that with which we are not "comfortable" speaking about while dismissing or destroying those that do? I don't care if Hillary said these things. I would not support her because I would believe she was lying (more than normal) but I surely would not disparage the message. No, I don't like Trump. But what I do not like even more is that those who should be more suited to this role are silent. And this fellow seems to agree with them. At some point we will be forced to acknowledge that compromise, retreat, deferral, capitulation, or just a cunning plan that never comes together are going to fix this. What we now have is a result of all of these things.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:40 | 6309376 Totentänzerlied
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"  It is funny watching the nihilist "voting doesn't matter" crowd up in arms about Trump's existence though."

Oh I assure you it is not nearly as enjoyable as watching the "voting matters" crowd. And it is exponentially less enjoyable than watching the "voting doesn't matter" crowd suddenly decide that, actually, voting is really pret-ty cool the moment their demagogue magically, and conveniently, appears, almost as if on cue.

And like clockwork, the very moment their candidate is defeated, it's straight back to "voting doesn't matter".

Works every time.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:59 | 6309220 Babaloo
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Why is illegal immigration a "huge issue now (?)"

Is it any bigger an issue now than a year ago? 5 years ago? Of course not. It's only a huge issue because you've bought into the narrative.

Readers here complain about the media, and yet buy into the media narrative like the "sheeple" you love to complain about.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:12 | 6309278 froze25
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Long Island is flooded with illegals.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:19 | 6309300 Salah
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it is, isn't it?  and the USSC refused, much to Chuckie Schumer's delight, to hear the Louisiana State AG's court case that illegals couldn't be counted for purposes of congressional redistricting

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/11/state_attorney_general_su...

before it's all over the entire Northeast will be overrun with illegals from all over this Earth

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:07 | 6309257 mkkby
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Trump is attacking Hillary and the nigger in chief.  Therefore, he is not a false flag for the democrats.  This is a stupid article.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:26 | 6309323 Billy the Poet
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YEah man I HAATTE tyhe DEMOXCRats and ANYOBNe who syas they rea bad must bei on Our SIDE!!!

 

 

That is an example of how one can attack Democrats but do it in a way which actually supports Democrats. Get it?

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 08:31 | 6310228 Tall Tom
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Obviously many here are intentionally blind.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 06:57 | 6309940 jughead
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Article V is a code word for "I'm an idiot".  What makes you think the statists won't fuck us with our own misguided patriotism via a Con Con...(hence why I love the term Con Con), or that they will adhere to any new Constitutional amendments any better than they do with what is already there.  

Show me a government that can rule via the Constitution we have before you go recommending more changes for them to ignore and subvert. 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:09 | 6309010 max2205
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We need a real dictator that isn't afraid to let everyone know he or she or heshe is a dictator....

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:11 | 6309019 Publicus
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Emperor Trump will make America great again.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:34 | 6309122 MsCreant
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So you're backing Caitlyn for the first woman prez? 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 01:12 | 6309583 Tall Tom
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Draft Caitlyn, 2016...

 

LMAO.

 

There needs to be a Tranny in the Whore House.

 

Well...Why not? Let us show everybody how degenerate AmeriKa actually is....

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:13 | 6309034 Duc888
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"That we have to take Donald Trump seriously................."

 

 

Oh fuck you.  Let's see, we've had a peanut farmer, a B grade actor a Father and Son hit team from a multi generational International crime family...a Husband / Wife "team" groomed at Oxford...and now a guy with a sketchy past full of holes....

 

So big fucking deal, could Trump actually be any worse then the aforementioned shitbags?

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:21 | 6309067 NihilistZero
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So big fucking deal, could Trump actually be any worse then the aforementioned shitbags?

If he indeed isn't a false flag candidate, the worry isn't that he'll be worse, it's that he'll be better.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:30 | 6309107 Ferrari
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I up voted you for your elan, but to answer your question, hell ya, Trump could be worse. I argue that at least going back to Bush I--and it might work going back to Ike even--each president is noticably worse. I didn't think anyone could be worse than Dubya, but we found him, twice. I'm certain that Hillary or Jeb would be a downgrade from the devil we now have. And as the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, no one with the last name of Paul will live to take the nomination, let alone the Oval Office. Yes, Trump could be worse because those pulling the strings want it so.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:49 | 6309180 Bush Baby
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Trump is not a all around goody two shoes, but the skill set he possess would make him a real contender in most of the important issues facing this nation.
I can hear him say, "Ya know what, we're gonna audit the Fed. , who do these people think they are?"

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:15 | 6309402 Billy the Poet
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So now you're hearing Trump's voice in your head making policy pronouncements which you then agree with? That's just plain crazy.

A reasonable man might cite an actual quote from Mr. Trump rather than the voices in his head. Can you?

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:01 | 6309436 daveO
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Audit the FED? LMAO. How many times has his corp's declared bankruptcy? If the FED didn't exist, neither would he, in his present form. 

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 06:49 | 6309921 Ace Ventura
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BINGO. Anyone who thinks Trump is anything OTHER than yet ANOTHER Wall Street/Corporatist/Warmongering shill is being willfully delusional. If memory serves, he's declared bankruptcy at least three times....and THIS is the mule the G0P lemmings are hitching their wagon to? 

What a complete circus-freak-clown-show this entire political system has become.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:55 | 6309203 bigkahuna
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We all know that no one wins a national election without TPTB allowing it. If he wins, it will mean that he has some usefulnes to the next stage of nwo insanity. At some point there will have to be an every man/group for themselves situation and perhaps he is just the guy to shepherd the feds through such a time.

I can envision hillary running cackling into the evening after receiving "the phone call" 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:14 | 6309037 Not if_ But When
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..................interesting...............

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:15 | 6309289 Salah
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ditch the DC duopoly!

Go Hillary!

Go Jeb!

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:14 | 6309039 duffelpud
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Trump doesn't even pass the smell test.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:16 | 6309043 Stanley Lord
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J. E.B. stands for John Ellis Bush, so when you calll him Jeb Bush you are really calling him Jeb Bush Bush.

 

Now, Bush Bush is in the election to help Hillary, Bush Bush does not seem to have his heart in it plus he diverts a ton of money from other GOP candidates.

 

There is never one cockroach.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:15 | 6309045 i_call_you_my_base
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He's not a false flag, he's just your run-of-the-mill media whore. Running for president is free PR.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:19 | 6309061 Buster Cherry
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If that beaner drug lord that escaped tags Donald, it will be a sad day. I hope he has his private "A" team out there hunting that scumbag.

Since he went public with his tweeted threat, Donald can gun him down personally. He'd be the best president since Andrew Jackson if he did.

 

Just my opinion....

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:20 | 6309064 Skip
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"I’ve been loyal to Israel from the day I was born. My father, Fred Trump, was loyal to Israel before me."

http://unvis.it/www.algemeiner.com/2015/06/29/donald-trump-im-no-apprent...

ANYONE who gets to run for President has to bend the knee to the J-tribe. That is who OWNS the election process in the USSA.

Trump’s current wife is a Jewess. His daughter married a Jew and converted to Judaism, kicked Jesus to the curb.

Of the POSSIBLE candidates I still think Trump is the best. Rand Paul is AIPAC all the way. Unlike his dad, Ron, who earned their hatred.

Just Raimondo is part-Jewish himself yet he has done some good work. He is, of course, right about Pat Buchanan. Pat is still something.

GOP Border War—Trump vs Jeb, Rick And Marco Patrick J. Buchanan July 6, 2015

State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America by this writer in 2006 cited researcher Heather Mac Donald of Manhattan Institute. She reported that two-thirds of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants in Los Angeles were for illegal immigrants, as were 95 percent of 1,200-1,500 outstanding warrants for homicide.

Of 20,000 members of the 18th Street Gang operating across Southern California, 12,000 were illegal immigrants. One of the Beltway Snipers, who terrorized the D.C. area, shooting 13 and killing 10, was a 17-year-old illegal immigrant from Jamaica, John Lee Malvo.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:25 | 6309082 Bumpo
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Unfortunately, you are right

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:02 | 6309234 Chris Dakota
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Donalds daughter marries Jewish guy and converts.

 

Her husband.

Jared Kushner in the Puck Building, one of his family's high-profile holdings. Right, the Kushner Companies paid $1.8 billion for 666 Fifth Avenue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/fashion/life-in-the-fishbowl-for-jared...

This is  Trump evil circus show.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:17 | 6309296 palmereldritch
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Doesn't Gozer have a condo in that building?

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:12 | 6309465 daveO
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666 says it all. For those that don't know, Hillary's daughter did the same.

Tue, 07/14/2015 - 00:17 | 6309474 Billy the Poet
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And Harry Reid.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:20 | 6309066 AmericasCicero
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Americans aren't going to ever elect a philosophical libertarian until catastrophe shows them the error of their statist ways.  With that, the question becomes whether life is a comedy or tragedy.  Hillary is tragedy, Trump brings the comedy.  I like a good laugh in between drinks.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:46 | 6309393 samsara
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"With that, the question becomes whether life is a comedy or tragedy.  Hillary is tragedy, Trump brings the comedy..."

No,  I think all together it would have to be classified as a Farce.

 

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:25 | 6309071 John Law Lives
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"It’s all an act, one that benefits his good friend Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party that, until recently, counted the reality show star among its adherents."

I watched Trump's gig at the Phoenix Convention Center on Saturday (it was televised).  If he is a supporter of the Clintons, he is doing a good acting job.  He bashed Hillary repeatedly.  I recall that he said she was the worst Secretary of State in U.S. history and that she would be a terrible President.  The crowd at the event was huge (thousands).  He is building a large following right now.  The fact that the MSM is trying to portray him as an unelectable bozo speaks volumes that they have some fear of him.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:27 | 6309092 Dixie Flatline
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/hillary-clinton-takes-donald-trumps...

 

Hillary rips Trump in front of National Council of La Raza
Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:34 | 6309120 tumblemore
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Whereas a white group called "The Race" she'd want arrested.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 23:44 | 6309387 Totentänzerlied
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"If he is a supporter of the Clintons, he is doing a good acting job."

And now, children, you understand how the Democratic left elected Obama. Twice. The plebs practically fool themselves.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:25 | 6309072 One And Only
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After watching the Greece referendum I don't care about voting anymore.

If rapists, murderers, drug addicts want access to our health care / wellfare system then let em at the tit.

I want to take care of the worlds children. I just wish I could do it like a black person takes care of his children and not pay for it. Black dudes always find a way for other people to take care of their kids or at least make you feel guilty if you don't....like those abused dog commercials.

Mon, 07/13/2015 - 22:25 | 6309080 Nanur
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Funny how the totally unelectable Trump is #1 while the big money status quo candidate Bush is #2 (no pun intended).  So who you gonna vote for to save the party from the unelectable front runner? Number 2 of course!  Voting for anyone else only "helps Trump."  Yes, he's a false flag all right.  Status quo Bush vs status quo Clinton the perfect election! 

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