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What Assets Did Greece Just Hand Over To Europe: "Airports, Airplanes, Infrastructure And Most Certainly Banks"
The Simpsons had it right all along:
With the provocative and dramatic Greek "time out" language pulled from the final finmin and summit draft language, the two most humiliating aspects of the latest extend and pretend "deal" for the Greek people will be the return of the Troika's (surely we can call it the Troika again as part of the Greek capitulation) IMF mission to Athens, and the escrowing of some €50 billion in Greek assets in a liquidation fund.
Granted said fund will not be domiciled in Luxembourg as was originally envisioned, but Europe will still have control and first refusal rights over what are technically Greek properties, in the process Athens handing over about 25% of Greek GDP (and sovereignty) over the Brussels.
What are these assets? For the answer we go to the horse's mouth, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, who laid out the holdings of the proposed Greek privatization that would be sold off as follows: "it still is going to be an independent fund, valued at €50 billion which can be airplanes, airports, infrastructure and most certainly banks.”
Bloomberg quotes the Eurogroup finmin president:
They will be brought in with the target to privatize those in the coming years, but we will take our time for that.
We then hope for proceeds of EU50 billion, but that will be clear later.
The banks first have to be refinanced from this aid program, but after that I take it that they’re worth money and then we can sell them.
The proceedings are aimed at lowering Greece’s national debt.
In other words, Greece will be liquidated piecemeal to repay creditors. In even other words, the proceeds from the Third Greek Bailout will not only not reach the Greek people, but Greece will have to sell itself in pieces to top off the creditors' funding needs.
Dijsselbloem concludes: "That is good for Greece, but also good for us. We are in the end the ones from whom the money is borrowed."
It was not exactly clear why this would be good for Greece.
So for all those curious, here are some of the "assets" that already have, or soon will hit Ebay.
The only caveat: when (not if) Greece defaults again, and it is time to collect on Europe's secured DIP loan (which is what the Third bailout really is) collateral because not even the French socialists can push for a fourth bailout, good luck trying to repossess Aegean islands or the Santorini ferry terminal.
Oh, and for those struck by a case of deja vu, the €50 billion privatization "plan" is nothing new: it was first proposed by the IMF in 2011. This is what happened next:
What does the IMF say now about this latest privatization proposal? "Not realistic."
#EuroSummit has doubts over 50 bn€ privatization target. IMF don't think it's realistic. - EU source
— Jarno Hartikainen (@JarnoHa) July 12, 2015
Which may be a problem for Greek banks since as the summit deal envisions, half of the privatization "proceeds" will go to recapitalize Greece's insolvent banks. Proceeds which the IMF projects will be about €2 billion until 2018!
This is a problem because with this implicit admission that the Greek financial sector will effectively never receive the needed funds to remain stable, any ELA increase by the ECB will be promptly used by Greek depositors to yank as much money as they can, awaiting the next weekly dose of monetary generosity from Mario Draghi, as both capital controls and the Greek bank run remain a permanent fixture of Greek daily life.
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Believe me, they NEVER want to collect. This term was only put inside the deal to make it more palatable for the local parliaments all over Europe. When push comes to shove, expect nothing of this to happen.
And if anyone actually thinks that they will collect, they NEVER want to know what will happen to them when they come to do so.
They also gave them their children......hardly worth mentioning.
What about their gold? Or is that already gone?
Corzine stopped in Greece earlier this year on vacation. Mysteriously, no gold was found after his departure...
So this is how they want to repay the debt instruments held by the old, islands and national parks? That’s not what they need, they need services provided by the young, but if you leave the young on the hook to attempt to pay back the debt not covered by the land they will not have any incentive to provide those services.
They can pretend that they won’t restructure the debt but at some point they are going to have to overhaul the system. They will likely choose a path that will make the banks and government more powerful, but there are ways to do it while moving back toward sound money.
International Socialism must be destroyed
"This is a problem because with this implicit admission that the Greek financial sector will effectively never receive the needed funds to remain stable, any ELA increase by the ECB will be promptly used by Greek depositors to yank as much money as they can, awaiting the next weekly dose of monetary generosity from Mario Draghi, as both capital controls and the Greek bank run remain a permanent fixture of Greek daily life."
I suspect that this is exactly Tsipiras' plan. Either that or he is just doing whatever he is told with a nearly literal gun to his head.
Maybe Tsipiras just wants to buy the Greek people some time by keeping (ELA funded) banks open for greeks to yank their money out, then exit Euro. Maybe that's why he capitulated; he either knows that Greece can't pay back and is politically maneuvering or he is just a stupid man with no backbone.
Solution: Sell Greece and her people to Princess Cruise lines and then have them contract with the German Government to be the sole holiday source for Germans needing state paid vacation. Just make it one big cruise ship for German's!!
Some call it wealth transfer.
Others just call it treason.
A few call it 'Doing God's Work'.
Captain above is correct, I think. Any entity needs to generate revenue to pay its debts; producing something people will buy, services they can sell, etc. So far Greece [as well as many many other nations] are not doing that. Simply printing more paper/digital to increase worldwide debts.
A GDP is not going up in real terms by increasing debt and producing nothing new. True, consumption [and thsu GDP] may still rise because they have more debt money to use. It's only more debt. Nothing else.
That's why my financial person says long term gold will rise in response to the printing....i.e., inflation.
So much for Sparta.
I'm afraid it's all going on eBay, Amazon, or Alibaba for that matter...
http://galeinnes.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-3-profiteers.html
This is pretty much what happened in Hawai'i. Bunch of bankers sold off all kinds of stuff from the royal family.
WHOA!!!!
HOLD IT RIGHT THERE!!
In exchange they'll give the Greeks banknotes that they print out of thin air, at zero cost! Hmmm... good deal when you think about it.
Stanley, just wanted to say I loved your work on the Apollo program. Fantastic stuff.
Nah, they already tried that during WWII.
I think he capitulated because he realised 1.where he was heading into 2.there was no better option after the referendum only worse 3.A violent&unplanned fall back to drachma would lead to a lot of deaths.Simply by the lack of state's funds.No PM wants to be held responsible for that no matter how brave,visionary or else.
My two bits? He is waiting for the tides in E.U. to change, e.g. other parties coming to power in European Countries. But after yesterday's emphatic defeat ,tough luck.
There was a moment when the President of the Eurogroup decided to move against us and effectively shut us out, and made it known that Greece was essentially on its way out of the Eurozone. … There is a convention that communiqués must be unanimous, and the President can’t just convene a meeting of the Eurozone and exclude a member state. And he said, “Oh I’m sure I can do that.” So I asked for a legal opinion. It created a bit of a kerfuffle. For about 5-10 minutes the meeting stopped, clerks, officials were talking to one another, on their phone, and eventually some official, some legal expert addressed me, and said the following words, that “Well, the Eurogroup does not exist in law, there is no treaty which has convened this group.”
So at that point I had to get up and say “Well perhaps we should simply not hold elections anymore for indebted countries”, and there was no answer. The only interpretation I can give [of their view] is “Yes, that would be a good idea, but it would be difficult to do. So you either sign on the dotted line or you are out.”
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-...
Sure thing. Forced privatization of national assets = socialism.
The inevitable result of spending more than you make and borrowing more than you can pay, in a socialist framework or not - it makes no difference.
Anti-semite
you think
"international socialism" is the problem?
Are you a fucking idiot?
No. He isn't one of those morons that successfully navigated public school. He knows that international socialism is a system of control from the ultra rich and connected to control the masses and suck more wealth from them.
Here's your EBT. Don't go and spend it all in one place now. Oh, and don't forget to vote for the parties that promise you more of the same.
What? That doesn't make sense to you? Then Mr. Genius, please explain why wealth disparity is always greatest when governments are most socialist. Does that make any fucking sense now?
Genius my ass.
Can we at least agree that if they call themselves socialists, and they claim they are implementing socialist policies, that it is NOT idiocy to agree with them?
For the vast percentage of our population, socialism is taken to infer wealth redistribution through the hands, not of any market place, but by the government sworn to act in OUR best interests. Now I realize that it may be inaccurate to call what we are experiencing socialism, but the socialist redistributive notions are the premise being used to do what is being done. Many of us brace at the association of capitalism to our demise as well, and there is no doubt that these same people seeking to dominate us will promote the worse parts of our perceptions of capitalism to our demise. Regardless of your preferred theme, the one thing that has NEVER been tried by government is freedom, as that is contrary to their interests of control.
There are no pure examples of any ideology, because they all fail. The only common theme that is universal and predictable is corruption, and every fucking ideologue ultimately finds it to be their greatest achievement. Even Marx was a corrupt and far from perfect ideologue....and he wrote the fucking book.
We need to stop idealizing ANY "ism" and simply demand transparency and accountability.
We have people in powerful positions that will use "isms", religion or saving the earth as a means and excuse to oppress the world, while people such as yourself want to argue the strict definition of the means of our demise rather than the intent.Can we at least agree that no "ism", regardless of how completely perfect is sounds to our hearts and ears, will provide us freedom as long as its primary goal is to amass concentrated power? Can we agree that power IS the problem? That no person on this earth can possess such power without becoming corrupt and eventually seeking dominion over all life on this planet...and beyond, if there is one?
International Socialism must be destroyed
In due time. It is self destructing as we write. Patience is a virtue.
You can help out to speed the demise and it is perfectly legal.
Stop financially supporting it.
Stop spending and sticking others with those worthless Debt Instruments that are used as your National Currency.
Governments cannot garner taxes on dead currency.
Corporations cannot garner profits on dead currency.
What keeps the system alive is your active participation.
When the masses refuse to participate then the Fraud ends.
Oh I know you need to pay for that which is necessary. I am not suggesting that you become homeless or starve.
In fact just slow your spending down to that of bare necessities. That is practical after all.
All that needs to be impacted is the Bottom Lines of the profits. When Corporations and Governments are bleeding red on their Balance Sheets due to the lack of revenue then they will become solvent and capititulate.. If their budgets exceed revenues..yeah...I know...the Fed will just print and feed it to them as they are "Too Big To Fail".
But there are even limits as Investors will get out of their issued Bonds and sell off unprofitable Stocks.
Thus the whole house of cards will collapse.
Stop spending. Stop supporting it. Financial support is SUPPORT. Stop participating in the fraudulent Ponzi Scheme. Pyramid schemes only work until they run out of suckers. You...Well you reading this...You are the SUCKER. The word, SUCKER, is printed in LARGE LETTERS right on your own forehead and you are too fucking blind to see it.
Stop participating in the promotion of the fraud.
You can do it. We all can do it. Do your part by accelerating the collapse. You are not violating any laws by doing so.
Fuck the FED...
AND FUCK YOU NSA. Ideas are infectious.
Paraphrasing...
"If the people understood how money is created there would be a revolution tomorrow." -Ron Paul
Ignorance is death.
I think Putin would've entirely bailed out Greece in exchange for the island of Lesbos but got out-licked by Germany.
I'm also interested to know what the lying fag Satan, tweeted about...
.....aaaaaaaad it's gone, its gone its all gone
you obiously a fucking idiot deserving to die since this sentence is from henry ford.
Lighten up, Francis.
Pretty sure no one under 35 gets that reference (one of my personal favorites), so I thought I'd include the YouTube link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs
I used the term "B Side" recently with a 20-something on my team - as in, "That work you just put together should go on a B side," - and he looked at me blankly. Only after my asking did he fess up that he'd never heard of a "B side". <sigh>
Try explaining album filler to them.
His name was francis_sawyer...
Maybe Chuck E. Cheese said it. Who the fuck cares? The message is still the same, bitch.
The only problem is, Ron Paul has no idea how money is created, nor does anyone else in the "out of thin air" "backed by nothing" school, which includes just about everybody at ZH including the hosts.
I will summarize my previous post or two on the subject of the assets that back fiat currencies:
ME: Do you have a mortgage?
DORK: Yes.
ME: Did you know the bank "created" the money it loaned to you?
DORK: No.
ME: Do you know what the bank will do if you quit paying on your mortgage?
DORK: It will foreclose on my house.
ME: Do you realize that means that it is your house that backs the money the bank created for you?
DORK: *crickets*
Are you willfully and intentionally misunderstanding the plain meaning of "out of thin air" and "backed by nothing" or are you really that stupid (public school perhaps)?
Having read your next post, I suspect it's the latter.
Time for a revival:
http://coinquest.com/cgi-data/cq_ro/response_380/greece_5_drachmai_1876.jpg
http://st.coinshome.net/coin-image-20_Drachma-Gold-Kingdom_of_Greece_%28...
These loans were made of dreamed up fiat currency, and
should only have be paid back in dreamed up fiat currency.
god damn skippy.
What about their gold? Or is that already gone?
Good luck with that.
Might be able to scrub up some bitcoins or something....they're mostly air.
welcome back klm
I'm not klm....but we have a Go Fund Me account set up.
klm will be back across the border before you know it.
Greek gold? lol. Gone the same way as Libya's 350 tonnes, after they allowed the Jihadists to place a few thrusts of a sword up Gaddaffi's rectum. Just ask Iraq about its now lost gold reserves. Probably in some New York vault, belonging to the banksters, being rehypothecated to the moon and back.
First off 200,000 views is VERY impressive.
NO BAD WORDS AND ALL CAPS PEOPLE!
SHAPE UP AROUND HERE OR ELSE!
Secondly...
"YOU SHUT UP PRIME MINISTER TSYPRUS AND EVERYTHING IN THE ALREADY CLOSED BANKS IS YOURS!"
Hmmmmm.
"He'll say yes to that" I would imagine.
Yen, euro, Yaun...gold, silver...who knows what's in those "hi yiellding instruments"....
Just sayin'...
Greek gold holdings are about USD 5 billion.
Its nothing.
Nothing? They've got the makings for a decent market open slam down. Oh, we're talking real gold aren't we? Never mind.
I was just blinded by logic.
Warn us next time....pretty please.
I doubt gold was even mentioned. The ECB has their eye on it but cannot act interested lest others get the idea that gold has value.
The Greek gold mines have been sold to a Canadian company, from what I hear they didn't pay much (Don't know if they paid at all).
This give the board game MONOPOLY in a whole new meaning
When Greece becomes a real nation again they can nationalize all the stuff being promised too and ultimately delivered to ECB oligarchs. Maybe someone there will grow a pair then and lynch those oligarchs and their servant...Tsiparis.
Ever play Rothschild Rules Monopoly?
1) set up board
2) players roll to see who is the Rothschild
3) the Rothschild has the right to print denominations of his/her choosing on any available scrap of paper.
4) play game.
5) The Rothschild wins.
It's a shitty game, and the outcome is never in doubt. The only skill involved is developing one's cackle to the rousing refrains of "It's not fair!" But it's great for teaching children (or the ignorant) about central banking.
I believe I've been playing that game my entire life, and I didn't get to be Rothschild.
Sorry 'bout that, old chap. Luck of the dice, I suppose.
When your turn comes, some advice:
Rubbing one's hands together and leering is an Art. Master it.
One can also pass the time by creating new lending schemes to keep penniless, property-less players moving around the board. I like to call mine "The Troika", or sometimes "The Federal Reserve". Eight year-olds are particularly susceptible to this device.
Always rock the Tophat.
Tsipras must have gave Greece over to the Satanists when he went to visit the Pope... he should have never went there! http://revelation12.ca/?p=1986
Actually, it was his phone call with Obama
which convinced him
to follow in Obama's footsteps.
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/07/08/obama-calls-merkel-and-tsipras-calli...
Good link. Who knew the devil was in the details!
another "Christian" Zio idiot?
If Greece is going to get fucked by any particular religion, it ain't the Catholics, dummy.
How much for the women? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvZgwtpPmLY
'They also gave them their children...'
That's all?
Here in the States we've already handed over our yet-to-be-born grandkids.
We want to be first in everything!
what i want to know is, what will happen when the greek banks are recapitalized and banks open normal operations......greek bank run?
Which greek in their right mind wouldn't want to yank all their funds...then what?
another bailout?
this will speed up the demise..
Greece will be back at the table by year end..unless they keep the 60 euro a day policy in place forever
They'll up it to 100 euro/day for window dressing, but yea, anyone with a brain knows this won't end well.
Cashless society - it's whats's next. Can't have a bank run if there is nothing to pull out.
I think we've almost arrived at the point where bankers can say out loud what you already know they are thinking: "Nobody is guaranteed their life. The population must be right-sized to match available resources. If you are too sick or weak to work off that debt in servitude, it is only right that you starve to death."
Georgia Guidestones, bitchez! The culling begins this year, you had better believe it. It is up to us to make sure the banksters go first. You cops and military need to look in the mirror and decide, once and for all, whose side you are on. Though it "officially" starts Wednesday, Jade Helm has been underway for months, decades actually. Does this look like they are training for overseas operations?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kHCe1qboL2g
I just can't believe the secret planes of a secret cabal that rules the earth... was put on a bunch of rocks in Georgia.
Why do you?
Billions of people worship an imaginary being, invisible yet omnipotent, searching for hidden meaning and guidance in cryptic contradictory texts written millenia ago.
What better place to hide something than in reality, in plain sight? No one will look there!
Big questions ... I have many theories and observations that started in 2008. Only 19 more years of learning and I will most likely be qualified to teach ... if I live that long (which is definitely not a certainty).
There is a reason the Oligarchs put things like the Gerogia Guidestones in plain sight. It's because they believe if they put somethihng out there like the eye of Horus on the dollar, or the Washington monument etc. and people don't understand or know what it means, that symbol then holds power over the uninformed person.
Also one of the other ethics they have is to tell you what they are going to do before they do it, even if it is cryptically. Something to do with have the sacrifice (you) give itself willingly.
So believe whatever you like,
but facts are facts, we are 6.5 billion over the 500 million limit on the stones, and WWIII edges ever closer.
500 million sounds about right. I did my part -- no kids. The sooner the population is reduced, the sooner humans can live more peacefully and without strip mining the planet to ruin.
Convince the niggers, spics and muzzies to stop having 9 kids per woman and the world will be fine in about 80 years.
Pipe down, numb nuts. 19 kids and counting wasn't filmed in Compton, you know.
The Illuminati just loves them some stone carvin'!
Also, they need to be able to say - truthfully! - that they warned us. Or something.
Curious coincidence that in the personals columns here, 'going Greek' means getting fucked in the arse.
Gloves off in the Eurozone cagefight. The Empire no longer faking Queensbury rules for the plebs to 'believe in'. The true purposes of the project now being revealed. Create debt, control the conditions by which it can or can't be repaid, then foreclose. Rinse, repeat.
This most ignominious capitulation, once fully comprehended, is a frightening example of another clear step in the ruthless plan of the heartlessness Bankster CaBAAL. A plan that is centuries old (but reaches back beyond Knights Templar crusades), and is described in a word: Empire. World conquest is not a new concept, though before Private Banking, there was no mechanism to capture and hold the territory that made up an Empire without the force of the Empire on the ground, in place, even at the outposts.
It was usually the cost of maintaining order in the outer regions, and consequent clipping of the coinage to pay for it that heralded the demise. As is happening right now with the $US. However, this time it IS different, because the Full Spectrum Dominance, Total Information Awareness computerised, roboticised killing machine of the SMIC, puppetmasters, and contractors has ALREADY posted it's NOTICE (in quasi-legal terms) that the world is a US battlespace. Get your head around that. For you in the US, the Patriot Act, and NDAA2012 (detention and assassination without due process etc etc), plus all the Presidential Directives means this Death Cult is intent on stealing the lot, and killing anyone/anything who's out of step or gets in the way. You included. Trillions in US debt is irrelevant if the world is 'owned' in fee simple, by the issuers of the debt. Irrelevant. In fact, it's the US debt that's finacing it's own path to irrelevancy ie. steal the planet by force and everything in/on it, and the debt is cancelled. Self cancelling. Exchanged for assets. (mindfuck me that one Batman).
This is the gameplan of the Anglo/US/Israeli/Vatican Axis of Evil. Same as it ever was, but now can REALLY get going with the rollout of TechnocrazyInc via the City States: 'Protestant Church of England' City of London - the Capital of Empire, Catholic Vatican with the Jesuit assassins - the soul/spirit/gnowledge, Washington DC - the Military, Israel/Mossad - the financiers, story tellers, history re-writers and Law Makers for the New Order?
The technology exists to do it now, whereas before they needed too many soldiers on the ground in the outer regions, that eventually bankrupted the Empire. That's changed in the past 400 or so years, to the point where a node on a network can hack into pretty much any system, and launch chaos and destruction digitally (as well as physically - EMF, DEW, SynBio, nano, drone and what we don't even know of yet). As we're waking up, so the CaBAAL is accelerating the final stages, with AI 'inside your mind' GeoInt 'consciousness' with a realtime-holograhic-'interrogatable'-you about to be rolled out. (Jade Helm's the beta test?).
Our history is being re-written, and tradition words and phrases given other meanings, just like in 'Legal Systems'. Tabula Rasa, the blank slate, is needed for the NWO, so that only the victor's narrative remains. Books burned, internet scrubbed, digital storage media corrupted, propaganda replacing truth, birthplaces of Western civilisations destroyed (Iraq/Messopotamia, Syria, Persia, Central Europe), ancient monuments and knowledge, long established cultures shredded with immigration etc etc. Now a killer blow for the birthplace of the concept of DEMOCRACY, metaphorically and physically by unelected banksters and bureaucrats. Then our memories erased with EMF,and over-written with the 'new narrative'. Shame! SHAME! SHAME!
Will the people irrigate the tree of Greek liberty?
Sad, sad outcome for humanity. Very very sad. Make friends with death, friends...stay brave, We have a saying here: when the going gets tough, the tough get going!
"Hóka-héy!" Today is a good day to die!
(attrib Lakota leader Crazy Horse}
Peace (from US Battlespace Sector Australia)
Bankruptcy and foreclosure rules invoked. Problems arise when you hold assets on hostile soil.
Re skistroni - "Believe me, they NEVER want to collect."
Yes they do want to collect. This is exactly what Yanis and Tsipris have been working towards as they have always been the tool of the EU/bankers. Something I and some others have been saying despite the hype about them being rebels.
It is not about the payments it is about the taking of greece itself. Greece is to be taken through the collateral on the loans. For a fraction of the cost Tsipris and Yanis will help them take Greece. Then the foreign owners (jew mafia) will charge the greeks to use of receive services from what was once greece. The greeks are now renters. The natural resources are not yet being mentioned but those are to be taken (those not privately owned by the greek elite). And the real money is not from the taking of all infrastructure and public property and reselling. The profits they seek is in the rental charges (to be excessively high) they will charge the Greeks - FOREVER.
The jew mafia used their agents (Tsiipris and Yanis) and took greece. And it all started with the jmafia bribing greek politicians with money to put their country into debt and -- The Joining of the EU. The real purpose of the EU is becoming clear. It is a tool for the jmafia to remove sovereignity. And for those who do not see it -- Germany is Jew Mafia owned and controlled. (Have people not noticed you cannot criticize Israel or the jews in Gernany or how Germany give free subs (yes subs) to Israel?)
Notice that England was not fully immersed into the EU. Assets, money and loot from the plundering is moved to their institutions in England where ,due to not being full immersed, there is no legal, political or brute force means to take it back, ever. And the value of the collateral will be marked down - 40 billion in collateral will have a true value of 250 billion.
Greece is no more. Now that the jew mafia is in (much thanks to Yanis and Tsipris) more and more collateral will be needed and transfered to the jews.
you nailed it. http://thezog.info/list-summaries/
There's nothing the Jews can do to us, unless we choose to do it to ourselves first.
"unless"? When are you calling from, dude? It sure ain't 2015.
It can be done. It has been done and it will be done, Skistroni. I recommend you read "CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HITMAN". They will dress it up as if Greek corporations will be taken over any productive asset of Greece, and they will then proceed to fleece Greece and the world.
To paraphrase George Orwell: You want a picture of the future of humanity? An iron boot stomping on the face of humanity. Forever.
The question is when and how will Greece and Europe finally wake up and fight the banksters. Will it be too late?
"Confessions of an Economic Himan". Guess it's not just for third world countries.
if the debt is not constantly expanding it is contracting, and when it contracts, bad things happen in financial markets..
this HAS to spread from 3rd world countries to larger and larger countries to keep the ponzi going. it's by design
after greece, portugal will be up next...i hear they have some nice waterfront and beaches they can sell to the "institutions"
"What you vote for and what you get are not the same". Is Greece an example of not to distant America ?
So, we gotta go destroy Troy by subterfuge again?
Visit the US National Parks while you can.
WTF!
Another one of those fucking brilliant European treaties that lead to a major war in a few years
this is a horrible deal... Greece is going to be dismantled and sucked dry until there's nothing left but a husk... at this point I'd rather they defaulted, cut all ties to EU and NATO, and started over free and clear of any and all obligations...
to anyone who says, "no, they can't do that, they signed XYZ" I would ask "ok, who is 'they' and did they truly represent the will of the Greek people?"... from here, it looks like there's been at least two generations worth of Greek government that's done anything but that and has sold them out in the process...
as for those of us here in the USA... if you want to know why many of us fight to keep our gun rights etc. so vigorously, this is why... when things get this far it will be time to water the tree of liberty again, most likely with the blood of banksters and bureaucrats and other vermin who tend to only care about themselves to the detriment of everyone else...
DEFAULT AND RESTRUCTURE... it is the only way out of this horrible mess...
Greece? "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
There are elite thieves; beyond that, We the People without a country...
edit: In case there was some misinterpretation of the above: There is no Greece; that country no longer exists. There is Goldman Sachs; there is We, the ftochós.
Thank God Tsipras stood up to those bastards!!
wait, what day is it?
He is Bart Chilton, without the hair....
The Norwegian World War 2 politician, Vidkum Quisling, gave the world a new name for a traitor, Quisling
The name Tsipiras should now be used in the same fashion!
One must always define the terms. Not doing so is one method for deceit -
'Greece' = certain individuals in roles of politician or bureaucrat
'Europe' = certain individual bondholders (likely now the private parties are mostly out - having gotten their paid off politicians to buy the debt and place the risk on the backs of the general populace).
When it comes to Getting Paid - 'Greece', 'Germany', and 'Europe' are terms referring to private wealthy banksters.
When it comes to Paying - 'Greece', 'Germany', and 'Europe' are terms which refer to the vast majority of the populace which didn't agree to any of this, know little to nothing about it, and would oppose this strongly if they understood it.
But TPTB pull out the 'national' flags and other symbols to fire up the tribal instinct in the populace. So everyday 'Germans' oppose everyday 'Greeks' (because they are told to do so by the mainstream media) - - - and never see who their real common enemy is. And never see that the fiat 'debt' and 'money' is nothing but a fraud. Nothing more than the made up 'Post-It notes' used by the slavemasters to give their commands to the slaves.
(Its far better to deceive the slaves into believing they have a choice, rather than are being ordered about. Less likelihood of any nasty rebellions, ya know.)
Quite brilliant, really. Evil though.
Divide & conquer - rape & plunder.
Its been working for thousands of years.
Will Humanity ever Wake the Fuk Up ?
THe economic hitmen have came and gone I see.
They want those islands.
There will be NO GREXIT ever.
There will be NO -XIT from any of the EU member countries ever.
I dare you.
I FUCKING DARE YOU!!!
To those that give me the thumbs down (despite me being right all the while), they must have lost a lot of money in the forex market, or they must have lost confidence of their own intellect.
Either that or they recognized that you're batshit crazy.
You call him batshit crazy. Have you not paid any attention to the actual happenings? It is right there in front of your face and no longer hidden in any way. The only ones who can argue with what he is saying are those who will forever call these greek leaders rebels and revolutionaries.
People sure hold onto their delusions. So much so they avoid reality.
Yet, Greece is going to have a choice with the ever more insane demands that the Troika is hoisting upon them: Civil war ro Grexit.
In the case of a greek civil war the govt leaders (who are aligned with the EU) will simply call upon the EU to send in as many troops as are needed to squash it. It is just what the jews behind the bankers want. Not only legal control through taking the collateral but military control.
Hitler would be proud of his youth...
The Hitler youth gear was a lot cooler than the UN gear.
All we need to see now is Schauble doing Hiler's victory dance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9EcItHSvxU
You have commited a horrible afront to Adolf Hitler by comparing him to that eurotrash waste of skin.
Heres a quote to keep in mind....Whenever you find something foul, when you peel back the layers, more often than not, you find the same maggots underneath. AH
I am on a motorcycle trip so I don't have my copy of Song of the Reich so please forgive me if the words are not exact. It is correct in context.
Do you mean his daughter Fr Merkel?
Dublin Mick gobsmakker, or Scoorcha Fail whopper?
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/hitler-was-a-rothschild-and...
Big deal
US is whose bitch today?
Probably Iranian, if they ever meet a negotiation deadline.
The US is my bitch, and will forever be my bitch because they earned the position meritocratically for being the whores that they really are 24/7 throughout my lifetime.
NOTE: Americans on Z/H are exempt, of course.
Wow. It must be nice to be able to print money out of thin air, and end up owning the entire world. The power of the central bankers is truly astonishing to behold. Now the question is what will the people of Greece do, meekly go along with this betrayal and capitulation to the central bankers, or revolt?
Thomas Edison: "If the Nation can issue a dollar bond, it can issue a dollar bill."
This central banker scam is so malicious that it makes the mafia blush.
Great, succint quote. Lays the scam BARE...
What will Americans do when it's our turn in the barrel?
A gun behind every blade of grass....figure it out.
We're already got nailgunned bankers......at least someone out there is being proactive.
No.....I don't know who.
"A gun behind every blade of grass....figure it out."
Guns. How tedious. We live in a world of drones, lasers, microcomputers, micro-cameras, wi-fi, open-source software, 3-d printers and so much available knowledge it's not even funny. Consider that all weapons are systems designed to deliver energy to a target, then consider the level of precision that can be accomplished nowadays with technology; so many scenarios where simple, everyday objects suddenly become... unfriendly.
Two highly motivated operators can do a butt load of damage.....moral of the story is.....don't get cocky.
All that tech crap isn't going to do you any good if we pull the freakin power.
Trillions in military technology -- and it's all based on sensors, which are bascially cameras. A simple can of spray paint totally defeats it. Go long paint guns and wire cutters.
I remember that scene in Transformers when the boom box turned into an evil Decepticon. Scarry Shit.
Technology is brittle. When it comes to warfare you can have all the most sophisticated up to date and technology you like, but it can't help you if it's completely broken.
True. But like so many empire-builders before....the hubris generated by technological super-awesomeness is usually quelled within short order after first contact with the enemy. Just a couple of thoughts off the top of my head, some historical some hypothetical:
British Redcoats vs. American riff-raff
USA vs. North Vietnam
UAVs vs. Lizard Squad
Riot Shields and kevlar body armor vs. Eggs/Paint/Molotovs
Afghan goat-herding mountain dudes vs. EEE (every empire ever)
Uber-infra-red sensor eyes on rotating gyro-stabilized orbs mounted on your local Sherrif's new MRAP...vs....a shizzleton of paintballs
And so forth. In summary, never under or over-estimate the enemy's chances based on perceived superiority.
Militarily, the US absolutely TROUNCED the North Vietnamese.
Ask their Generals. Not Commie Cronkite, or the reflexively anti-American clowns infesting this Forum.
Resistance can be up close and personal. A brief example:
"Hello, Mr UN trooper, nice day isn't it? May I trouble you for a light?"
(pulls .44 derringer) *Pop*
Oh, boy, looky here- I got me a new .40, nice M-16, check out this scope, wow, 200 rounds of ammo, body armor, 6 MREs, 4th generation night vision goggles, too. This radio is on their freq, let's listen in.
Some wag could suit up as Mr Trooper and walk right into their camp, and unleash a little hell.
No way to see it comin if the patriot has a nice smile.
They will get the latest news re. the Kardassians. (Pretty much what they do now.)
Thank you sir, my I have another.
We'll watch some prime time singing and dancing competitions. Then we'll watch moar prime time shows featuring very fit cops, firefighters and even fitter employees of other government agencies. Then we'll watch some professional sports. Then the news comes on. Pass the remote, please.
Tsipras sure made monkeys out of the referendum sheep. I hope they get really pissed off.
Wonder what a Confederate Greek flag would look like?
Replace the red with yellow maybe?
The only flag they're flying now is white.
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Flags are dangerous!
Confederate Flag Kills 7 At Alabama Shopping Mallhttp://dailycurrant.com/2015/06/26/confederate-flag-kills-7-at-alabama-s...
Are the Greeks allowed to fly the French Battle Flag?
You reminded me of French flag factories, so the following is entirely your fault:
ALERTS TO THREATS IN EUROPE: BY JOHN CLEESE
by John Cleese - British writer, actor and tall person
The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.
The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory <wink>, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.
Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."
The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."
Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .
The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be alright, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.
A final thought - " Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC".
John Cleese still rocks.
Absolutely classic british humor....
If only PG Wodehouse had not been a frigging sell-out, I'd still have a literary hero...
Not quite done I say, wot?
Hey, they still get to call it Greece so thats a plus / sac on /
They tried "voting", whatever that is. What comes next is up to how hardly the screws are turned.
And DEMOCRACIA is a Greek word and concept too..now just as devalued as the old Drachma. "What comes next is up to how hard they're turned over and screwed"
Why doesn't Tsipras just let Merkel take over his job? Might as well.
She's not as cute. What could be better than having a cute, subservient, tie-less "rebel" to discredit the Left and anyone else against the EU?
Wait for the next bailout, Greece will start offering up organs of citizens (by lottery of course) to pay off Europe.
Greece is supposed to be sovereign.
Default, stay in the EU with the Euro and live within your means. Ask Uncle Vlad for some cash to lube up the transition.
This is downright embarassing.
pods
Disgusting. Ruthless. All about money, not people. Sickening.
My guess is the OXI voters were sincere, and some of the "authorites" might have been sincere but...anybody who didn't agree to captulation was threatened so expicitly HP lovecraft would have turned to stone.
Getting shown the Zaprouter film on a loop does it for the banksters. Only takes a couple of loops through the frames where JFK's brains splatter all over Jackie for the young upstart to get the point.
"Getting shown the Zaprouter film on a loop does it for the banksters. Only takes a couple of loops through the frames where JFK's brains splatter all over Jackie for the young upstart to get the point."
Pretty much, except for one little detail: the film shown ISN'T the Zapruder footage, it's taken from a whole different angle, one that nobody else has seen before. It looks a lot like it was taken from the grassy knoll; Bill Hicks discussed this at length.
Bill Hicks was the fuckin' MAN.
This form of economic rape will have vast, dark, and far-reaching consequences. For anyone who ever had a pair of balls, this is a declaration of war on Greece. The Greek eunuchs may accept their fate and drop their gold fillings and suitcases outside the showers before heading in to die, but there will a group somewhere that will not go quietly into the night. That is where the warfare will start that will ultimately consume a number of the world's large cities. No, not block-by-block bombardments, but the type of weapons we all are terrified of. Berlin might look very pretty at night, with a slight glow.
I've always said, if there is a 3rd world war germany will be behind it. It's in their dna.
Looks like they found a craftier way to conquer their neighbors. Still, I cannot understand the victim mentality. All they had to do was say "no". Okay, there was 17 hours of meetings. I can say "no" for 17 hours. If I lose my voice I can hold up a cue card. Pretty easy:
Pay your debt. No.
Give us collateral. No.
Leave the euro. No.
Let us manage your budget for you. No.
Starve your elderly. No.
Here is one for you and Simpsons have always been right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duaI_ZAFQSE
So they didn't manage to jew out on paying their comeuppance.
So they didn't manage to jew out on paying their comeuppance.
Who would be against a few nude beaches filled up with the Russian Woman's Gymnast Team members?
Oh, don't worry about those big grey ships...
Big fishing charter boats.
These people are not even remotely related to the ancient Spartans, Athenians nor Alexander the Great.
It is obvious that that particular gene pool died out a long time ago to be replaced by some other migrants that are made up of shit and piss.