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Everything You Need To Know About The Greek Crisis And ECB Fascism In Two Paragraphs
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Yanis Varoufakis just sat down for his first interview since resigning as Finance Minister of Greece. He talked frankly with Harry Lambert of the New Statesman. Here are the two most important paragraphs from the transcript.
There is no democracy in Europe. None.
Varoufakis said that Schäuble, Germany’s finance minister and the architect of the deals Greece signed in 2010 and 2012, was “consistent throughout”. “His view was ‘I’m not discussing the programme – this was accepted by the previous [Greek] government and we can’t possibly allow an election to change anything.
“So at that point I said ‘Well perhaps we should simply not hold elections anymore for indebted countries’, and there was no answer. The only interpretation I can give [of their view] is, ‘Yes, that would be a good idea, but it would be difficult. So you either sign on the dotted line or you are out.’”
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Here's the real news: There Never Was.
Lets just get drunk and screw.
"Everything You Need To Know About The Greek Crisis..."
If the Greeks didn't spend WAY more than they brought in and they didn't irresponsibly borrow they wouldn't be in this situaiton. Frick'n corrupt a$$hole politicians and moron voters. Everything you need to know. Welcome to the U.S. as well, BTW.
When Greeks understand they need snipers and a target list more than elections the lesson will have finally sunk in.
in other words, never gonna happen.
MMMMmmmm...yes...to summarize, you believe there are only irresponsible borrowers, not irresponsible lenders?
Well that's just a load of crap.
Next, what do you make of the fact that when corrupt oligarchs take out bad loans, enriching both themselves and the lenders, it is the ordinary people that are made to pay?
MMMMmmmm...yes... based on that "summary," you aren't very bright. You get an A for effort, though. Yea you!...
Next time please ask your teacher for help.
I think you may be missing part of the equation. Not contesting your irresponsible borrowing message, but when Goldman cooked their books they were cooking Drachmas which turned into Euros which eventually doubled the value of the debt. So a wee bit of the blame has to go to GS since you're spreading it around...
No, I didn't miss that part and yes it is a tiny factor. Although I understand VERY well what zero (borrowed) times any multiplier (lets say 1000, not just two) equals (zero for the math challenged). There was an easy way avoid all of this. Greece, and the U.S... and many others... have actively decided NOT to take that path. Will a lot of innocent people get screwed by their parent's and grandparent's voting habits, voting for irresponsible spenders? Yes.
Well said, Surfs Up. You saved me the trouble of replying to that creepy comment on "the Greeks".
Most people deal in abstract nouns like The Greeks. Your comment clarified the issue perfectly: Certain people, Greek or otherwise, stole a lot of money under color of law. Now, other people will have to reimburse those from whom the money was stolen. End of that story.
Except, it seems that the ones who stole the money were in collusion with the ones from whom it was stolen! So what we really have here is an insurance fraud. And those who didn't get out of the burning building will be the very ones required to pay the fire insurance claim. How about them apples!
So the "correct" answer is to make other working people suffer by paying for what Greece decided to do? Um... no.
There isn't a huge pot of money held by some nefarious oligarch just waiting to pay for everyone's borrowing and bills. Sorry. If it doesn't come from the Greeks It will come out of the pockets of working class people. But since we don't hear/talk about that part of the story screw them, right?
Maybe the BIGGEST part of the problem has been and is that the, primarily jewish moneylenders, you know those guys who Jesus chased out of the temple, for all you Christians CONservites......placed the "value" of value so high that it's beggared every person or country who engaged in their rape and fucking of the whole world through usury, except of course all of the other jews and any gentiles they could influence and dominate as chattle.
I think common Greek people are very much like all other people. They want to have healthy, fulfilling lives, raise children, see them prosper, just like everybody else, except they are and have been at the behest of the oligarch jew, thief bankers, who, in my opinion should be hung to a man or fraulien for being the power hungry pigs they have shown themselves to be for hundreds of years.
I call on Greece to start the fires...again......burn the banks and your governments and grow vegatables and goats....rise up and kill this scum that has seized the earth.......just start the flame.......once again! Courage friends! Europe will follow then Amerika. Better to stand and look your murderer in the eye with dignity than kneel in subjugation for an existance as an animal........only to starve like vermin.
I ask this with all seriousness:
"Did you 'mother' have any childern that lived?
Even more seriously...
"Did you 'mother' have any childern that passed a basic spelling, grammar and literacy test?"
Note. I had to fight the spell-checker to type the above. You must clearly be a very special kind of stooopid.
Yup, my bad. Thumbs still too large for my mobile device.
But, nice to know that there are drones like you searching for typos in posts.
Must be a very special life you lead....
Live by the pen, die by the pen...
Yep...your bad...for your ad hominem attack from the shadows upon somebody, his/ her mother and family.
Clearly you're just livin' the dream.
Pure class through and through.
Note: it was not about the spelling, just the irony of your shabby attempt to 'play the man not the ball' rather than contributing anything meaningful...and looking very ignorant in the process.
It's not surprising that this requires an explanation to you.
Fact is - the Greek state has been living far beyond its means - has had a subsidy from the Euro-zone that has AVERAGED Euro 70 billion per year. AVERAGED. Understand Greece has made NO debt or interest repayments for the duration of the past 5 years, for ALL of the payments have been financed by the Troika. Instead Greece has enjoyed a NET inflow of approx Euro 20 billion per year. If you borrow money - you pay it back as agreed. Thats how it works.
Yes, in an honest world that's how it should work. In this world way too many consider themselves special little snowflakes who deserve other people's money.
And as one can see by the down votes many special little snowflakes are here on ZH...
oops - sent twice by mistake.
spies like us reference?
They're kind of blowing their cover, the illusion of.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. - Ben Franklin
Minority rights are constantly trampled in a true democracy, not that any really exist anyway.
Which is why the U.S. was not created as a democracy but as a representative republic with equal branches of government. Even at that, leftists have been able to destroy it in the name of their power and control of the people.
"Leftists have been able to destroy (the US as a federated republic)." --Creepy A. Cracker
Would you care to enlighten the red pill crowd as to what your right wing representatives have done these past few decades to hasten the capture of American governance? Your isolation of neolibs combined with your non-mention of neocons in assigning total culpability for our political decay sounds like veneration to me.
...Unless you simply hadn't finished your thought yet. Edit away, my man.
Just spent half an hour on a rebuttal only to get the now familiar YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO COMMENT. Thanks, ABCTyler! Anyway, the gist of it was that the neocons and progressives are on the same team. There haven't been any truly conservative choices for a long time. See Yuri Brezmenov on youtube explain the commie takeover.
I agree. The people who believe in limited, Constitutional, government are NOT the leftists - democrat, republican, or socialist. Some will never understand that.
With you bro. We are starting to realize what we can and can not say around here. You'd (we'd) think that we would walk away in disgust but we love ZH too much.
You're paranoid.
You don't have to "love ZH", it's a forum.
What right wing representatives?
I'm sure you know what blinders are and your comment indicates that you are a horse with blinders and, as such, follow the reins pull of your driver. I also suspect your driver has an emergency break for the whole team, which should be wrapped around your balls.
When you bray like the rest of the division centered horses in the traces, it's clear that you have always been harnessed in the line.......and you know, I'm sure......If you're not the lead horse,,,,the view never changes.....do us a favor....we don't need a description of the interior view.....been there, done that, gave the t-shit to charity......try being original.
OH YES, too....be sure and support the Rebel in Amerika.....BERN!
... There Never Was
Maybe, but for a long time it was pretended to be. Many people chose to believe that in good faith. At least now, the masks have fallen and the ugly truth is out there for all to see. We can't ignore it anymore, only accept it, or reject it !
Indeed.
So Greece is miffed that they cant siphon off 300bln, then hold an election and declare the debt nil?
Can I elect not to pay my debts?
Yes, and with the shenanigans that some of the banks pull, there is even a chance that you will get out of them should you actually fight it out in court.
"can I elect to not pay my debts" yes you can moron... oh and btw the German and French Armament industries were selling their wares to Greece while the Gn & F govts were buying up Greek bonds to enable those sales. Half of Greek debt was/is military spending cause that's what the U.S. and the rest of the wests economy is predicated on largely, war and preparations for war.
Because war is the most efficient way to transfer wealth from a lot of people to a few people.
Forget Europe, where in the WORLD is democracy (as we were lead to believe we had)? My guess is no where...
war
Sure looks that way to me.
"Careful who you vote for."
Don't see the problem with Democracyin this instance though.
When the Greeks went to the bankers to fund their utopia they shackled themselves.
Now there is only one way out.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
Eisenhower warned America and we didn't pay any attention and they manipulated so that we wouldn't pay attention.....it was our trust first that they violated, then honor.
I'm guessing the murder of Jack Kennedy marks the rise of the fascists in Amerika. The end of the world is at hand. These power hungry phycopaths have the means at hand and no one to stop them.......I wonder what the next bunch of dinosaurs will look like and if any of the cityies will survive as relics of the ancient, radioactive past?
Maybe we ARE on a wheel of karma and will return as simple native americas on a beautiful plain on a cured planet, of course with some weed and Jefferson Stership! Because, after all, WE Built this City on ROCK an ROLL!.......Fuck you nightmares....I'm on the wheel of etrenity and this is an abberation, like diarrhea!
If this is news to people then they need to wake up. It is no different in this country. It never has been. There is NO right to self determination. http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/they-tell-big-lies-about-our-supposed...
1. The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
2. Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods.
3. Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
4. Democracy, too, is a religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses.
5. Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
6. Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.
7. Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.
8. If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner.
9. As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
10. All government, of course, is against liberty.
H. L. Mencken
I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.
- H. L. Mencken
But his best quote of all!!
Marriage is a wonderful institution, but who would want to live in an institution?
There is no democracy in the USA either.
So I dont see the'Headline' as news.
I even heard a rumour it nearly turned to blows in that room. That's when you need Yanis.
Agreed. Yanis would be the go to guy for blowing people.
I even heard a rumour that detectives talk shite.
If voters vote for unicorns and fairy dust they are entitled to receive unicorns and fairy dust! Anything else is plain evil.
The earth is not flat.
Y-Anus.
Where is my Nobel prize?
Y-Anus VaruFAKEis
ABSOLUTE TOTAL BULLSHIT & MARXIST CLAP TRAP ALL IN ONE!!
If you don't want to answer to your creditors, DON'T GO INTO DEBT!!
If you don't like the PRICE OF THE BAILOUT, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR THE MONEY!!
This kinda destroys the whole leftist meme about never having to pay the shit back, doesn't it?
of course you dont have to pay it back - you just have to accept a massive siphon!
Or vampire squid...
Sorta like: "Deficits don't matter" by Ronnie Raygun (the leftist, eh)?
No, they can still default later.
Who exactly put Greece into debt? Names, please - and your proposed process for holding those individuals accountable for the debt those individuals assumed.
The real issue that nobody wants to face is that sovereign debt is inherently odious, because it automatically creates a situation where one group of people receive the money and a different group of people have to pay the principal and interest.
I was explaining that last night to an employee.
The shock on her face when she realised she was selling her progeny into slavery by
her support of Govt., was a wonder to behold.
reality has a way of biting the theoretically minded.
In real life accepting risk involves a downside; that is real life. It happens that circumstances don't allow you to pay your debts and then in all civilized societies you go into bankruptcy and your business is liquidated and your debt never gets repaid beyond your physical means.
What is true for persons or corporations is true for governments of nation states; with one exception : A nation state NEVER gets liquidated. It declares bankruptcy, gets cut off from the market, untl it prints new sovereign paper free from past debt and then creditors rebegin to accept it as collateral and exchange, as it is by definition an entity that never dies and is thus a viable proposition for future business.
To put it simply a nation state of marxist bend, type Groucho or Karl, is a hard dicked proposition that makes the eyes of a lender gleam like those of a virgin who wants to get laid for a handsome return on investment.
Now that is capitalism in motion for a wholesome filly hungry for emotion. Even the marxists clap that honey trap. They are human.
This has nothing to do with democracy. If you have more debt than you can handle, then you're not free to do as you choose, no matter how democratic your internal decision-making is. Tough, but that's just how the world works, and quite reasonably so.
Now just pay up or default already, or continue to be the slave you signed on to be.
Indeed. Everyone needs to default. Default on all of the northern european banks. All in one shot. Fuck them.
Yo Bör, yes but every once in awhile the slaves revolt, at that time it is not a good thing to be a slave owner. Ya'll may think it is grand being a slave owner, but you'll note that the slaves can be a bit violent when they discover that slave owners see them as less than human. When you think they are only getting what they deserve you will find that they also believe that you too should only get what you deserve.
"Happy goldfish bowl to you, to me, to everyone, and may each of you fry in hell forever." Isaac Asimov
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Don't ge me wrong, I'm not saying the Greek people are getting what's coming to them. I'm saying that the Greek leaders should grow a pair and default already. It's the only way out of this. Having a democratic vote asking the people if they want any more austerity or not, without clearly outlining what the choices mean, is just plain ridiculous, and the result of that vote not being honoured now is not a lack of democracy. It's a lack of brains in those that decided to hold the vote in the first place.
If they were going to vote at all, the choices should have been:
1) Default and take the consequences.
2) Stay and endure whatever pain the creditors feel like imposing.
Hear Hear.
Actually, they were still free to choose to default and leave the EU.
What a load of whinny, socialist crap.
"Merkel das Ferkel"!
I would take a Constitutional Republic or even a Benevolent Dictatorship over this mob rule thing called Democracy.
benevolent dictatorship is like a virgin whore.
Constitutional Republic is based on democracy to elect those who define the Constitution, make its laws and then who execute its practical governance. Under the rule of law whose vigilence is delegated to an independent judiciary. And under the control of the fourth estate of a free press which acts as whistle blower in the name of general interest.
Notwithstanding that each individual is free to exercise his free will to act within the framework of laws whereby his liberty is assured to the extent that it does not exceed nor hamper the liberty of others as defined by the boundaries stipulated within the Law.
Virgin whores are not included in any constitution as a viable category of gender or profession as its etymologically speaking an oxymoron; either a virgin for a moron or a whore for a pussy galore.
You got my attention with "virgin whore".
"I would take a Constitutional Republic..."
Right on. It makes me wonder why so many people apparently prefer democracy to that. Perhaps it's their attraction to mob rule ...
No democracy in Europe? What do you mean, only Europe?
I always liked Jimmy, but I truly admire Thonas C. I'll bet Thomas would tell you that 'forty acres and a mule' was no deal and at the time, probably unatainable and the terms just another form of enslavement.
So why the fuck did they not just get out? Why take this shit? Can't get much worse and won't get any better until Greece leaves the EU. This is what a one world government would look like before they pull the guns out on you.
Tsipras claims he did not have a mandate to Grexit. Just to negotiate better terms of enslavement.
well well well
and as we are all united in europe now, lets do a nice war
to wash away the bad taste of the last years
ECB fascism? Greece had a choice. They voted on a choice. Tspiras is the one that decided for them, not the ECB.
Trade unions are bad for Democracy.
but....but....but, wasn't it Obama and all the lefties that said we should model ourselves after the European democracies since they are so good - hey, just look at Sweden and bullshit like that?????? Oh, wait, he IS modeling us like those European 'democracies'.......
For fucks sake already
Correction - we are allowing him to fundamentally change us in to one....
With jews you lose !! http://www.dailyslave.com/greece-officially-folds-to-jew-bankers-proving...
Pretty good M. K. Democracy is dead and it is apparent. I wonder if they even bother to tell military personel that they are fighting to protect democracy. Probably not. And sadly it may not even matter.
the bubble and beyond....Michael Hudson }
debunking economics..... .Steve Keen } within these two books lies an enormous amount of truth about what is going down here and now and what the remedies are.
"Everything You Need To Know About The Greek Crisis And ECB Fascism In Two Paragraph"
Sorry, there are always two sides to every story. This one's other side is Zion.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
"And that's the rest of the story..."
Democracy has always been a lie.
I prefere the term, "ILLUSION".
Stop blaming the ECB and the rest of the trioka. They are just doing what is in their own self interest. Greece is free to leave the euro whenever they want. It is the Greek govenment that needs to be lambasted. They are the ones who sold out there own country. I am suprised there are not riots in the streets.