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Tsipras Stunner: Creditors Said "There Is No Point In Holding Elections" In Bailed Out Countries
While Germany's finmin Schauble is about to burst at few capillaries after reading the latest provocation from Tsipras in which he said, according to Reuters, that:
- GREEK PM TSIPRAS SAYS I SIGNED I DEAL I DO NOT BELIEVE IN BUT I'M WILLING TO IMPLEMENT AND WILL ASSUME RESPONSIBILITIES
It should be the Greek people that are reeling by another, even greater stunner, just spoken by the Greek PM during his TV interview: an admission from the chosen Greek "leader" that Greece, as a
sovereign nation, no longer exists:
- GREEK PM TSIPRAS SAYS LENDERS GIVE A MESSAGE THAT IN COUNTRIES UNDER A BAILOUT THERE IS NO POINT IN HOLDING ELECTIONS
So the Troika makes it clear that countries under a bailout, such as a Greece was and is about to be indefinitely again, democracy is finished and the country becomes a sovereign ward of a few unelected bureaucrats, and the Greek "prime minister" who also just admitted he is now nothing but a puppet of Greece's new unelected leaders, is Ok with this.
The good news, at least for those who seek to connect dots, is we can now close the book on what Schauble was talking about when he said "Aber glauben Sie mir, das Problem ist lösbar" in this 2011 interview with Welt am Sontag:
Schauble: "We decided to arrive at a political union via an economic and currency union. We had the hope - and we still have it today - that the Euro will gradually bring about political union. But we're not there yet, and that's one of the reasons why the markets are distrustful.
Welt am Sonntag: "So will the markets now force us into a political union?"
Schauble: "Most member states are not yet fully prepared to accept the necessary constraints on national sovereignty. But trust me the problem can be solved."
At this point it is probably also worth repeating what Latvia's outgoing president Berzins said two weeks ago:
[the Greek] debt is so big that everyone understands that it won’t be repaid.... Loans to Greece have just bought time so that those in power don’t have to take decisions. This is like a game: who can hold out longer by not showing that this money has been lost? This burden has become bigger and there obviously is no possibility to repay.... The debt writedown of Greek debt will come after bankruptcy of state.
Perhaps it is only fitting that democracy officially dies in the country in which it was born, a country which is about to very clearly demonstrate to the rest of the world that in this day and age, banks have infinitely more power and leverage that "sovereign" nations.
As for the Greeks: enjoy your now official "second-rate citizen" status as slaves of Brussels bureaucrats even as you liquidate all your most valuable assets, and hand over your gold for the generous honor of being allowed to repay the Troika's debt.
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Many others have previously posted comments before on Zero Hedge regarding many details about how the so-called "leaders" of the current Greek Government were apparently the banksters' puppets, and thus, controlled opposition.
All politicians are banker puppets. Where do you think they get the money to finance a campaign?
Where else would you need to raise $25-50 Million
https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topraces.php
to get a job paying $174,000?
BINGO!
Check how rich these suckers get while in office...quid pro quo? Nahhhhhh...like so many sheep I deal with say to me "Stop being so negative."
We are SO freaking doomed!
One of the best comments ever. I'm stealing it.
Yes, FreeMoney, the funding of the political processes purchases the legalized violence to back up the legalized lies, which is by far the most profitable investment for those who can successfully corrupt governments.
It is a typical statistic that the money that funds politics, by successfully corrupting the governments, returns about a thousand fold return on that investment. Furthermore, it appears that setting up inside job, false flag attacks, to get wars based on deceits going, within the overall debt slavery systems, are by far the greatest return on investments. Since governments are based on their assertions to have a legalized monopoly on violence in general, and murder in particular, the history of false flag attacks to get wars started could be viewed as an investment in murder, that paid back orders of magnitude more murders.
Now it's official, you are slaves!
So are we. All that is needed is the official proclamation.
Miffed
You won't get it, because it's already declared.. if you've accepted a 'legal name', that's your chain. Until you ditch it...(see previous post up the thread)
Military force decides the future of all civilizaed nations. That is the best that all the change an element of matter has been able to produce in 5 billion years of existence and you better not fuck with it.
If that's the case, the American people are still firmly in control of the future of the nation.
Armed Americans comprise the largest army (by far) on Earth.
Sure, but with no leadership, over-extended supply lines, a complete lack of discipline, and no unifying beliefs, it is really more of a mob than an army.
Yeah? So why wait until the SHTF? Why not make the SHTF?
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Makes perfect sense now. The USSA bailed out their banks with printed money from the feral Federal Reserve. No point in holding elections in this country until we try, find guilty, and HANG the traitorous politicians and bankers.
"No point in holding elections in this country until we try, find guilty, and HANG the traitorous politicians and bankers." --Colonel Klink
Not true at all, CK: elections remain convincing to 55 percent of the American electorate; 132 million Democrat-Republicans will vote in 2016. It's this veneer of representative governance that matters to TPTB, and with the sheeple population still quite high, "the majority" are reasonably satisfied with the reigning illusion.
...Of course, once the voter participation rate falls below a certain point, the theoretical loss of political mandate becomes potentially problematic for the ruling corporatocracy. But for now, as long as they're holding elections with not-too-entirely-embarrassing turnout numbers, these symbolic ceremonies retain significant value with respect to population control.
Right along with the Supreme (kangaroo) Kourt ruling that states can't require proof of citizenship to vote.
Treasonous bastards!
Sure sounds like his words are trying to start a revolt or civil war.
why did he bother running for office?
It is again time to Listen to Frank...
"The illusion of freedom [in America, Greece ] will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."
Frank Zappa
Great thing about the comment section. I get acquainted with wise, weird and wonderful quotes from the most unlikely characters.
Great quote. Ironically I used it just the other day. Good for making people uncomfortable by pointing out how some saw the smoke and mirrors so long ago.
Thanks for that. I looked up this quote about two weeks ago, when I was dicussing similar issues with a friend, because I knew that the quote would save me about 1000 words of trying to explain. Frank was quite laconic.
"So the Troika makes it clear that countries under a bailout, such as a Greece was and is about to be indefinitely again, democracy is finished and the country becomes a sovereign ward of a few unelected bureaucrats, and the Greek "prime minister" who also just admitted he is now nothing but a puppet of Greece's new unelected leaders, is Ok with this"
first, Tsipras is not the "prime minister", he is the prime minister... using a rethorical device of incredible silliness, that nevertheless is lapped up with glee
second, democracy is not finished, nor is Greece less sovereign. that last word is again something that the "populist" crowd seem to use in a completely different way then the classical way. Philip II of Spain, arguably the most powerful sovereign in history, defaulted three times, btw, and his financial position was practically always dire
third, another rethorical device of incredible silliness: "a puppet of Greece's new unelected leaders". say it again? are Schäuble and the other finmins of the creditor countries of Greece... unelected?
question: if someone is on the correct side of reason, right and debate... why the use of false rethorical devices? and there is the core of populism
i.e. when complex matters are simplified to the max in order to have an appeal for the masses. "it's lies and false propaganda, but for a good cause, don't you see?", paired with "we have to explain things so that people can understand them without thinking too hard or being too well informed, in easy, baby-food portions. sure, it is not so, but otherwise we might lose some support"
but go on, do follow populist opinon-makers telling you what to think in a simplified way. the world, life itself are simple, aren't they? radical solutions work, always, and a good cause can't fail, can it? it's better to believe in a good lie then to find bitter, hard and complex facts, isn't it?
Ghordius, your EU ass is showing. "democracy is not finished, nor is Greece less sovereign"..
you in fact have described yourself very accurately:"it's better to believe in a good lie then to find bitter, hard and complex facts, isn't it?"
the EU and sovereign governments within it, are the good lie, as you have seen with greece.
People united (and with an M16) will never be defeated.
If its MI 6 its not M16. The one is a spook the other is spookily fearsome.
Tsipras now treated like Alcibiades by Athens after his disaster at Syracuse. The favourite son has fallen!
How much more will some people take before someone goes "Guy Fawkes" on arrogant eurocrats?
I dunno, but I'm really hoping that escaped druglord catches up with Trump.
Because he tells it more honestly than any other wanna-be candidate for President has in a long time?
Go back to smoking the hopium, and you won't have to waste your time actually trying to exercise that brain of yours...
What Trump does is blatant overkill in pointing out the ramifications of illegal aliens.
The Trump show will almost guarantee Hillary Clinton going to Washington. Trump does not want to win. it will also establish the point of never discuss immigration or you will not get elected.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/07/14/police-woman-blames-obama-for-...
If Central Banks can do it, why can't I? This desrves it's own story on zerohedge
Greece is mearly a pimple on an elephants ass, in the scheme of things. The sad show is over.
Past time for Banksters Inc. to move on, they own Greece. Much bigger fish to fry.
As they do every other country.
This is a prime example of why having a strong, kick-ass military is so important. And this is why no one will ever do to The United States what the EU did to Greece. Yeah we have trillions of dollars of debt. But we have enough weapons to destroy the planet hundreds of times over. I call it Debt Insurance.
Well, we do have something destroying our military. You can find it on the golf course.
your dream of the military is distant. they have been neutered by the chosen chimp.
That 101st Transgender Airborne division scares the shit out of me.
But the parachutes are bound to be festive. What's not the like?
The question is how many of them will actually work.
And by the way, the US isn't the only country with enough weapons to destroy the planet...
Standard Disclaimer: Not to mention your "bitcoins" won't be worth shit once those weapons start flying.
Youre a fukking idjot Shitcoin. The US CAN NEVER PAY OFF IT'S DEBT EITHER. The US can only mask it's bankruptcy by running the Reserve Currency press 24/7 for absolutely no 'recovery' at all...zip, nada, niente. You going to "to destroy the planet hundreds of times over" with your debt?
The fukking international/dual citizen mongrels are doing it to YOU as we speak, and will soon throw you away like cum-soiled tissue. They're even going to use your own tax dollars to do it with a full metal jacket armoured Police FORCE. You're fukking flagwaving stupidity is the blind chump exceptional dickwadism that has taken the US into the most disgusting atrocities and war crimes of the 20th and 21st century. Coups, murder of millions, nuking civillians, droning innocents, Abu Ghraib, Monarch, MK Ultra etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
Fuck you and the shit tank you rode in on!
Tsipras will still get a full pension.
It almost seems as if Tsipras is trying to spike the deal, but ensure he doesn't take the blame.
(and thus get the "nailgun" or "private plane" treatment)
If he hadn't agreed he might not have made it back to Athens.
Compare and contrast:
Spartacus: "When a free man dies he loses life's pleasure. When a slave dies, he loses its pain."
Tsipiras: "They're going to give me lots of money!"
QED.
Well, there you have it. Same as it ever was: slaves are bought and sold.
If the Greeks don't rise up and overthrow this government they have right now - then I hate to say it - but they deserve whatever is coming their way. That place needs a revolt TODAY!!!!!
Revolt is usually good, but that bad thing about it nowadays is that it gives the US a chance to intervene (see Ukraine, Libya, Syria, etc). And from protest or revolt, one goes into a state of permanent chaos. The best way for a change to happen in Greece would be if the members of Syriza vote down the proposal. But that would be asking that politicians have courage and a conscience which is to ask the impossible.
Historically I believe slaves were not considered to be human beings, but chattel to be bought and sold at whim.
Greece, your leaders negated your founding democracy in a few short months, you are no longer masters of your destiny.
I think it is appropriate for a call to arms, if nothing else to show Europe that you are indeed human and do have a say.
I was taught years ago under common law a contract signed under 'extreme duress' was not considered a 'legal' contract. I don't know which system of lawthis is all operating under, but holding a gun to a party's head to sign is not exactly kosher in my book.
we all knew this on zh long ago..except maybe ghordius.
Aloha, I wrote up a good article, one I have been meaning to for some time. This is one of my better ones, so read it.
Everytime I hear a nukist spew "there is more cancer simply because we are living longer" I want to throw some real stats in their faces.
It fairly hard to find historical data on cancer incidence.
Cited near the bottom is an article that state circa 1900, 3 of 100 deaths were due to cancer.
A chart from the town of Boston 1811 showed 5 cancer deaths of 942. Link and picture is at the far bottom herein.
What are the current stats on cancer deaths? Honestly I haven't included any information here except in links. I deem the answer to that question as so absurdly obvious to not deserve energy put into it.
How many people do you know who have cancer right now? Drop a comment please.
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2015/07/cancer-started-sky-rocketing-in-1945.html
Meaningless elections? They can't choose between say Hilary and Jeb like we can?
Forget that! I'm writing in: Chauncey Gardener.
Okey doke mr Draghi you child molesting, or protecting filth, and that orange cunt wanker you employ, you fancy popping round here son and enforcing them terms on me?
Bring your mates son, you will need them. Come and take what you believe you are owed cunt. I will pay you in 'Spades'.
The world is awakening, but not fucking fast enough for my liking. This fucking imbecile must know hes going to be hanged, he wouldnt act this way if he thought he would get off with it.
My Dog has more sense.
;-)
EU creeps me out. Fuck Fascism!
...coming to a temporarily sovereign country near you. In fact, I think this is the whole point of globalized central banking.
Personal chips coming for each and every human, soon. But don't worry, it's for your own good.
Remember: the real enemy is Russia because we have alway been at war with Eurasia.
One can only hope that the Hellenic National Defence General Staff Chief, Michael Kostrarakos, is in finalized talks with his suborndiantes about how the takeback of Greece is going to unfold over the next 48 hours.
If nothing happens, then the notion of a standing army in Greece, hath no meaning!
Golden Dawn is coming bitches...
Who the fuck knows?
Perhaps Tsipras' statement will be the catalyst for the opposition to join the coalition and defeat the EU demands that Tsipras brought back to Anthens.
In which case he wii have not been the traitor that his detractors are calling him. Rather a whistleblower who exposed the evils of the European banking system.
"Perhaps Tsipras' statement will be the catalyst for the opposition to join the coalition and defeat the EU demands that Tsipras brought back to Anthens."
Yes SIR. That's a real possibility. It would explain the willing MSM interviews being given by Tsipras and Yanis, both referring to Greece under this deal as a slave with no future.
It would force the Troika/Germany to Grexit and provide Tsipras with no other option but to default and re-intro the Drachma. All without an election(!)
yes
but with a referendum decided by over 62% and two votes in parliament.
Or in ANY Country
Tsipras is the type of dude that would let his boss have sex with his wife...And then watch the whole thing while it happens.
He is going to go one better. He will allow Brussels to fuck his country while he looks on.
He might even have a go - though last in line. Bet he doesn't end up poor
This Tsipras asshole may be weaker than the EU pimps. Disgusting fuck
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11739985/IMF-stuns-Europe-w...
Gets him off the hook.
Blame the others from the beginning of this mess.
You have great leadership, Greece.
Agree, he's saying he's too gutless to do a proper job but he's staying anyway to make sure everyon else gets fucked.
He tried to blame the people first by hoping they would vote Yes on the referendum. When that didn't work, he laid the blame on the EU.
Hummmm, sovereign ward? Greece can be like an Indian reservation and start casino gaming!
Well, as I posted yesterday, "Without a shot being fired (as yet) and with no historic military blitzkrieg actions, Germany just overthrew an independent country and capitulated their economic structure against the will (vote) of the people", this has become ancient history with the "stunner" from Schauble and Tsipras, I believe the guns will no longer be silent!
Civil unrest from the birhtplace of Democracy will soon be the next cheadline! So sad!
PROVERBS 22:7
"and the borrower is servant to the lender"
Makes sense that the lender would not want elections to confer quasi-authority on someone...who actually has no authority because he and those who elected him sold it in return for a loan.
Keep that in mind next time you hear a phrase like, "We owe it to ourselves." Or, "Debt doesn't matter", or "Sovereign debt need never reduce, only roll-over", or "things are better when you spread the wealth around".
What is it you think that they REALLY hope to get from such things??? It isn't debt at interest. No. The evidence does not support the idea tha money is all they are after.
See?
This is the difference between the Warburgs, who want to own most of us as slaves, and the Rothschilds/Rockefellers, who want to kill most of us enroute to their respective eco-topia/eugeni-topias.
These are a few hundred people who could do nothing so sinister, if normal people were as competent as Santa Claus... "Makin' a list, and checkin' it twice; Gonna find out who's naughty and nice..."
Even physical force is mostly in your mind. Even the strong must sleep at night.
Even a tank needs fuel, and a repair shop, neither of which can be protected in any way like a defensive strong point.
The point is that, unlike debt derived from theoretical citizenship, where those who ACTUALLY contract the debt do so at the directon of the populace only conceptually...or not at all as in Obamacare, TARP, TALF, and the Fed's Euro-Area bailouts of 2008-2010, to be oppressed you have to go along. Because while they show you the teeth, even their teeth have a soft under-belly.
The physical strength of the modern state is mostly a psych job.
Well, as I posted yesterday, "Without a shot being fired (as yet) and with no historic military blitzkrieg actions, Germany just overthrew an independent country and capitulated their economic structure against the will (vote) of the people", this has become ancient history with the "stunner" from Schauble and Tsipras, I believe the guns will no longer be silent!
Civil unrest from the birhtplace of Democracy will soon be the next headline! So sad!
Is there anywhere left in the world where voting matters at all? Maybe the local Elks Club? I am shocked to see people on the Hedge debating Trump as of late, really?
Trump won't get in, as Obama will not be leaving. He has been writing executive orders and purging the military in preparation, it is not rocket science. Read the Obama prophecies...http://revelation12.ca
Oh shit! In that case I'm going to go register to vote immediately so that Trump can save us from tyranny.
It really doesn't matter if Obama stays in office or not at this point, they will just put another monster in office with a different face or possibly a vagina. At least if Obama stayed in office people would get what's going on, which is why he wont.
you lost me at "My precious children..."
Tear it down and burn all of it. Leave the criminals with nothing.
Exactly what the Russian did to the Germans in WWII.
Eventually the Russians won.
if any greeks have ANY FUCKING BALLS THEY WILL KILL TSIPRAS IN A PUBLIC ASSASINATION.
Totalitarian criminal fascist central bankster take over. The criminals are out of reach of the public on a higher level of power. The USA, that has no gold, fate will be the same as Greece to the criminal central banksters. Now, you stupid bastards “debt is not wealth”.
slaves of Brussels...
Could be the title of a new tv reality show.... oh, wait.
We can only conclude that something sinister happened to Tsipras on Sunday when he was prevented from leaving the talks. Some kind of coercion must have been applied for him to do a complete 180 with the Greek people. Mind control perhaps? Something doesn't seem right with this man since the weekend.
It is up to the Greek people and the parliament now. There is a secret that the central bankers don't want you to know. The PEOPLE have always had the power, if they unite and make their voices heard as one.
This is how you take your country back from the central bankers:
1. Stop paying taxes. The system cannot continue if they do not collect revenue from the people.
2. Take ALL OF YOUR MONEY our of the bank. This should have already been done but if not, take it out as soon as they re-open. This prevents the banking cartel from using fractional reserve lending to feed the ponzi scheme.
3. Go on strike as a nation. Stop working. The system cannot continue if people stop feeding the machine.
4. Stop spending your money with multi national corporations. This feeds the system. Only spend your money on locally owned goods and services. Barter if you can.
5. Find another way to pay for goods outside of the Euro. If you reject the nations currency and convert it to something else (like precious metals), the system cannot continue.
It's up to you now Greece. My prayers are with you.
What a dark place the world has become.
A clone or body double.
nail gun
Played him back some of the tapes NSA/CIA have recorded or made of him, or just made some up, like the Bin Laden Tapes or Jihad John. Or told him he was the next star in the Jihad Series. Or his kids would be...then showed him the great work that Hacking Team has done dropping kiddie porn onto his computer...
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/07/massive-leak-reveals-hacking-tea...
We all have to stop and take a breath here. This is just opinion. No agreements were signed to stop elections in Greece. What I just can't understand is this Tsipras. Why does he act so defiant to the EU when he just sold his country down the river?
" What I just can't understand is this Tsipras. Why does he act so defiant to the EU when he just sold his country down the river?"
Not trying to be a dick, but are you a child? Did you really just ask why the politician said one thing and did another? I can't fucking take it anymore, where is my gun!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course. In places like Greece or France or Puerto Rico or Chicago or California ....
Democracy should be cancelled and the peopel should be rounded up so the bankers can harvest their organs before sending them off to IMF raping centers - where everyone will be personally attended to by Dominique Strauss Kahn -
I'm getting the sense that the Centrtal Bankers have had enough and are now ready to just get out there and start raping and killing people - all to be paid for by the (soon-to-be-extinct) American tax-payer of course.
"Do not swallow bait offered by the enemy." - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Also the tax code is 70,000 pages. There will be less than two IRS agent goons with guns that show up at your door if you disagree. That is like 2 more people that wrote the art of war. or a war provisioning tax code.
Two or less? They won't even make it down the driveway.
La Guillotine awaits Mr. Tsipras......or should at least, throw Yanni in there too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW72Gmqjse4
Yeah, I'm not down with the whole agreement, but since they are going to let me be dictator and live like a king over this rotting piece of real estate, its all good..............Tsipras
I wonder if Tsipras got castrated. Should we call him Caitlyn?
has always been a ZWO puppet or they would have suicided him before he got elected if he was serious about the stuff he/they said
Does anyone know if Merkel likes to eat fries?
Time to renege all deals , put banksters in jail and tell the troika : don't call us will call you ...... in other words get stuffed and don't you dare landing in Greece , your safety might be at risk.....
IF military does not step up to the plate Greece is nothing but lowest rung on NWO FUEDAL ladder
Who's military? The only ones with a military is the US and Russia (maybe China). How do you think these so-called European Democracies became such glorious models of socialism that we need to follow????
When you spend virtually nothing on military can do a lot of things with the money.
Actually, Greece has a very strong military.
Just so you know.
and take their orders from NATO
Yeah, they always come to mind when talking superpowers. Well, at least now we know they weren't spending Greek money on it.
Aksed and asnwered:
Luembourg's, of course:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/LuxKorps1910.j...
Someday China will be telling us this
There is no point, really, without spoiler-free simple score voting.
This was figured out centuries ago.
this is massive news. Is this the blue print for the one world template?
Probably.
(Rooters:)
2016: Fed Decides on Hitlery/Bush as pres & V. prez.
B for IS expected to grant approval tomorrow
What do you think Washington is going to do about this in defense of "freedom and democracy?"
I ain't gonna hold my breath.
Greece needs to start it. Hang all banksters and their minions.
Debt and Slave. Loud and Clear.
LOL, German banksters own Greece.
Start learning German real fast Greek citizens.
They don't give a fuck any more.
War is around the next corner.
Tsipras here, Tsipras there, Tsipras isn’t anywhere. If he didn’t like the deal he shouldn’t have signed it. At least he would have been able to look at himself in the mirror in the morning. As for the Greek people, I can only say: Throw the bums out.
In the end, it’s up to the German people to put an end to this nonsense by throwing out the complacent, pillow-farting Merkel-grand-coalition and the criminal lack of leadership plus impetuous defense of the status-quo that has become its trademark.
Allow the German people to refuse funding this ridiculous charade. They don’t want to send any more money to Greece and who could blame them? They’ll never get it back.
"They don’t want to send any more money to Greece"
it doesn't go to Greece, it goes to the Troika Banksters
it's an odeous debt manufactured by the Banksters (mostly Goldman Sachs) to steal Greek assets (using the usual IMF conditions of currency depreciation, privatisation, austerity, outright theft) and to steal from European taxpayers who fund the bailout
the Banksters get real money and real assets for their thin air, interest rate swaps, derivatives and compound interest
Farage warned Tsipras publicly during the recent EU meeting of what was to happen. The entire EU parliament knew whas was goin on. There were no unkowns. The Greeks wanted their Euros and Banks open and the EU banks and Germany wanted Greek assets and Greek Gold.
Lets not have any illussions. Like the proverbial ladies of the night, Greece and the EU, and Merkel and Draghi and the German people knew exactly what favors would be exchanged for what cash. In their way of thinking in the EU, once you bought the prostitute the only thing you need do is to tell her/him what you want done.
OXI, democracy's swan song
As Pilger notes:
What would an actually radical and democratic Greek government genuinely committed to popular sovereignty have done after gaining office last January 25th? “The day after,” Pilger writes, such a government “would have stopped every euro leaving the country, repudiated the ‘illegal and odious’ debt – as Argentina did successfully – and expedited a plan to leave the crippling Eurozone. But there was no plan. There was only a willingness to be ‘at the table’ seeking ‘better terms.’”
from July 14, 2015
We are Citizens, Not Politicians: Reflections on Greeceby Paul Street
It should be an all-out war against the banksters.
Evil, power and greed against the people.
"Money plays the largest part in determining the course of history." Karl Marx writing in the Communist Manifesto (1848).
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.
"Money plays the largest part in determining the course of history." Karl Marx writing in the Communist Manifesto (1848).
"The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it. The process by which banks create money is so simple the mind is repelled. With something so important, a deeper mystery seems only decent." John Kenneth Galbraith (1908- ), former professor of economics at Harvard, writing in 'Money: Whence it came, where it went' (1975).
More, at the Money Reform Party
http://www.moneyreformparty.org.uk/money/about_money/quotes.php
Bunch of leftist nonsense.
Tsipras was entirely able to not sign a deal and issue new drachma. He was entirely able to default on the debt.
He said the debt was unpayable, and that he and Greece had the marxist rigth to continue to run a Venezualean poverty sinkhole.
Then, Germany agreed with him, and showed him, "This is what happens to debtors who default."
Like a welfare queen who demands her "civil rights," he demanded a billion dollars a week welfare from Germany, permanently.
Like all leftist fools, he will blame manipulators, hoarders, speculators, Nazis, blah blah blah.
What he will never blame is Leftist insanity.
Well, now everyone knows why I don't vote in US Federal Elections - Most definitley a bailed out nation.
Reallity sucks! The money masters have shown the masses, they are able to create a vassel state in front of the entire world, and the pleb and political classes will just bend over and take it. We all known many politicians in the West are puppets, but now it is merely official. The money masters run the show, via proxy politicians in London, Paris, Berlin and New York. The IMF and World bank is merely their tool for indebted servitude, plunder and pillage. Never in my lifetime did I envisage IMF-World bank Africa style indebtednes and plunder would be visited on Europe. I was wrong. SHAME ON US ALL, INCLUDING KEYBOARD WARRIORS LIKE MYSELF! I hang my head in shame, for I am gutless and all talk. "For evil to flourish, all it takes is good men to do nothing". This quote is apt for 98% of Zero Hedge posters, including myself.
doing nothing is non-cooperating, like sabotaging, so is perfectly right and one of the most effective warfare left.
Everybody should do nothing for a while.
Your turn may be up soon, I think this plague is coming to all of our villiages. I for one am here learning, learning from all of you, and learning how to embed and express my knowledge/info so that if the lights go out I have candles to hold up for my community.
There is no shame in your passion Mr Hell, for wholly justified gobsmacked shock (you mustn't have seen the earlier Cyprussing) that the Euro Project is now revealed in it's full ugly torpor. Lift your head now, and get busy...you have an arresting turn of phrase. Muster your voice, pass on your observations, raise Hell from your Handbag...
What? Is this guy stupid or what? They will take your land, your islands and your freedom you idiot.
And you are going to vote on it. This guy is a reflection of stupidity.
This guy is a reflection of being compromised.
"This guy is a reflection of being compromised."
~Exactly correct~
Why does he care what they are gonna take from the average citizen? He got his suitcase full of money, Nice house, Pension and so on. He can go visit any attraction that used to be owned by the Greeks anytime he wants.
He probably starred in a few satanic snuff movies.
Tsipras keeps diggin his hole. And please Greeks were always second class citizens, no one wanted them in the euro area. Useless country with nothing to sell but the islands they were bequeathed with. Even Turkey has an auto industry. What does Greece have? what goods do they manufacture?
The Greeks should string up this pussy excuse for a leader to the nearest lamppost for making a statement like that. Especially after throwing the entire country under the bus.
If Tsipras knew this already why did he spend $3 million to hold a referemedum?
How to assert sovereignty… by individual action… or by combining efforts with others of like mind?
It is a major verdict of history that one is a mission of suicide; the other is the only way it has ever been done.
More precisely, to assert sovereignty requires a knowledge of the history, laws and procedures of redress.
You can take 3-6 months to learn this; or, 400 years, and oceans of blood, to learn it… as it took the English from first public declaration of sovereignty (Magna Charta) to fashion reasonably effective means of redress.
Three to six months… or 400 years.
You have stated a great axiom, Clesthenes.
The media keeps referring to the growing wealth gap as the source of revolution in America, whining “the income disparities, the income disparities, the disparities,” even though the welfare family equivalent income ($61,320) in 2011, according to the Senate Budget Committee, exceeded that of America’s Average-Joe median household income ($50,054 before taxes).
As such, the Left-leaning MSM is drumming for class warfare, alleging that the poor need to take on America’s white middle-class “rich.” In their dreams, the Marxist media monopoly would hope for a revolution, rich vs. poor. But when the revolution comes, it will be much different: the middle class vs. the tyrants who have stolen their property, their savings, their Constitutional rights, their freedom of speech and now are assaulting their family.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/07/poor_households_getting_168_in_welfare_per_day_from_taxpayers
Italian colleague at lunchtime today: the problem at the moment is that Europe needs a single government and it hasn't got one.
I daresay he is not alone in welcoming the coming Pax Germania.
Everything is such a joke at this point, maybe everybody should take IMF bailouts and buy things so that after the reset we have something to trade until we can build another system. The global financial system will collapse, now it's about what we can create in it's aftermath.
I am assuming there wont be any CBs around to complain.
This is proof that humans are terminally stupid. To VOLUNTARILY enslave oneself to others is so stupid, so insane, so perverse... that only someone terminally stupid and insane would ever even consider this.
I mean, seriously! How can the benefits exceed the cost?
THEY CANNOT.
If the people in the fiction that is Greece don't go completely ballistic and hang everyone in their fictitious government... they are also terminally stupid and insane.
Does anyone still wonder why I keep saying...
Humans are finished.
"To VOLUNTARILY enslave oneself to others is so stupid, so insane, so perverse... that only someone terminally stupid and insane would ever even consider this."
Too true honestann. Nevertheless, people all over the world are queueing up to do it. What does that tell us about the human psyche?
It tells me that humans are finished.
:-) :-) :-)
Which is why the 0.001% or so of humans who are not massively brainwashed, clueless, stupid and insane should be paying ZERO attention to what's going on in order to free up all their time and energy to identify ways to isolate themselves from the 99.999% and the human predators the ~99.999% enslave themselves to.
But instead, even the ~0.001% who have a clue waste their time in the matrix, rather than extracting themselves from the matrix. Which means... they will soon be eaten alive by the 99.999% and their predator masters.
European people have a tendency to cannibalize each other. You are right.
The Vote should be to Iceland or not....
The vote was: to Iceland.
Tsipras did a turn-about.
Where's all the clowns here that were practically blowing this guy and that other bald socialist?
“Tear it down and burn all of it. Leave the criminals with nothing.”
So says, “johnlocke445” at 16:47.
Are you serious?
Oh, sorry, must be leashed to the Mossad.
Instead of razing it to the ground, it would seem to me that it would be more sensible (for the people victimized) to conduct investigations as to who received such the plunder, recover it, and return it to those from whom it was stolen.
So much for what should be done.
Now, the hardest question of all, “How is it to be done?”
As I have indicated so many times, we must study lessons laid down by those rebels who gave us the Declaration of Independence. (One and Two)
Who needs elections when Zion's in charge?!
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Sieg Zion!
It is like old menachem bagel told the Israeli parliament. The other races and insects will lick our boots when we establish our one world government.
Upvote not because I like like what you say, but to second your reference. Father of Contemporary Terrorism, and flagbearer to USS Liberty, Gazacide, 9/11 and much more:
Menachem Begin - IRGUN - Jewish Underground
FBI/British Intelligence/CIA/Department of Defense Files
http://www.paperlessarchives.com/irgun.html
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-begin.html
Dead in the Water (Israel's attack on the USS Liberty in 1967) http://youtu.be/Lc7sOb7IsPY
Alison Weir Presentation: Palestine - Israel - the US, The Full Context http://youtu.be/1pOLNtDsTho
9/11 Motive & Media Betrayal http://youtu.be/95ncn5Q16N4?list=PL3C32560738EF3C30
Miko Peled on “Israel and Gaza: Six Decades of Oppression and Resistance” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHQIzaZoCfI
Alison Weir - Off the Charts https://youtu.be/ziSTY408h6k
A conversation with Israeli historian Ilan Pappe https://youtu.be/PG3lmTdNtrI
Head to Head - Israeli settlers Patriots or invaders? https://youtu.be/GG9UEFTsqow
Head to Head - Is Zionism compatible with democracy? https://youtu.be/tdAeFcytcZ8
AIPAC: Inside America's Israel lobby http://youtu.be/DnnQ_qTx9rY
When will the people of the world learn that they don't need another group of people telling them what to do? Sure, there are assholes in the world that would like to cause harm to the good people, but they would never get enough support for their bullshit if it weren't for government allowing their rise to power in the first place.
Will people ever wake up and realize this? I doubt it. The moon is more likely to crash into the earth before that happens.
This makes me sad.
Dignity
People with it would declare BK and move on.
The Greeks cry 'dignity' then capitulate to undignified demands for a few euros more.
...do not understand...
The Greeks cried dignity but the puppets did not allow it
What's the answer to this?
edit: shouldn't be that hard ....
... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uc3ZrmhDN4
Greece, do an Iceland and go after the banksters instead of your own people