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Tsipras Stunner: Creditors Said "There Is No Point In Holding Elections" In Bailed Out Countries
While Germany's finmin Schauble is about to burst at few capillaries after reading the latest provocation from Tsipras in which he said, according to Reuters, that:
- GREEK PM TSIPRAS SAYS I SIGNED I DEAL I DO NOT BELIEVE IN BUT I'M WILLING TO IMPLEMENT AND WILL ASSUME RESPONSIBILITIES
It should be the Greek people that are reeling by another, even greater stunner, just spoken by the Greek PM during his TV interview: an admission from the chosen Greek "leader" that Greece, as a
sovereign nation, no longer exists:
- GREEK PM TSIPRAS SAYS LENDERS GIVE A MESSAGE THAT IN COUNTRIES UNDER A BAILOUT THERE IS NO POINT IN HOLDING ELECTIONS
So the Troika makes it clear that countries under a bailout, such as a Greece was and is about to be indefinitely again, democracy is finished and the country becomes a sovereign ward of a few unelected bureaucrats, and the Greek "prime minister" who also just admitted he is now nothing but a puppet of Greece's new unelected leaders, is Ok with this.
The good news, at least for those who seek to connect dots, is we can now close the book on what Schauble was talking about when he said "Aber glauben Sie mir, das Problem ist lösbar" in this 2011 interview with Welt am Sontag:
Schauble: "We decided to arrive at a political union via an economic and currency union. We had the hope - and we still have it today - that the Euro will gradually bring about political union. But we're not there yet, and that's one of the reasons why the markets are distrustful.
Welt am Sonntag: "So will the markets now force us into a political union?"
Schauble: "Most member states are not yet fully prepared to accept the necessary constraints on national sovereignty. But trust me the problem can be solved."
At this point it is probably also worth repeating what Latvia's outgoing president Berzins said two weeks ago:
[the Greek] debt is so big that everyone understands that it won’t be repaid.... Loans to Greece have just bought time so that those in power don’t have to take decisions. This is like a game: who can hold out longer by not showing that this money has been lost? This burden has become bigger and there obviously is no possibility to repay.... The debt writedown of Greek debt will come after bankruptcy of state.
Perhaps it is only fitting that democracy officially dies in the country in which it was born, a country which is about to very clearly demonstrate to the rest of the world that in this day and age, banks have infinitely more power and leverage that "sovereign" nations.
As for the Greeks: enjoy your now official "second-rate citizen" status as slaves of Brussels bureaucrats even as you liquidate all your most valuable assets, and hand over your gold for the generous honor of being allowed to repay the Troika's debt.
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It was fellow Greeks who screwed them.
The only chance Greeks had to go after the banksters was before 2010. Merkel took that option from them by bailing out those banks. They are already paid off and feeling fat and happy.
Some people here as stupid when the game used to be the fales GOP v Democrat when they are all the same, owned by the same people. Now people go on about Socialist, Capitalist and so on like that has anything to do with anything.
While Corpratists and neo Nazis in Germany are takin over Europe some people can still only get their thrills masturbating about socialists. Jesus idiots, focus on the real issue.
This reminds me of the Vichy French.
(For those who never studied WWII history, the Vichy French was a government that was put into place essentially by Hitler).
Vichy Tsipras, I am so disappointed.
Please Greek people, throw the bum out of office. Secede from the EU and let the chips fall where they may. There will be much pain, but it will end quickly and I believe there will be adequate humanitarian aid for things like insulin.
I would personally cut a cheque for $1K to a needy family to help get by if such an event were to occur - with the knowledge that they may help me in simlar circumstances on some other occasion.
Yeah it was really fucked for the EU to attach conditions to bailing Greece out once again.
Go back to sleep - you obviously have no idea what is going on.
Why then continue when Tsprias KNOWS this deal is signing away his country to another power, that he is putting democracy to the sword, that the debt is so huge as to never go away?
He is knowingly putting a gun to the head of Greece and pulling the trigger. And he still going to do it ... why?
This sounds just insane. Do they have his children? Family? Are they going to Assasinate him? What?
I signed in to say just this. These European Euro guys are Nazis without guns!!! What a setup? Who's really next on the list?????
I only heard this from one source. She said how Germany would conquer a country, in the Second World War, was like this: surround the country, not allow any traffic in or out, and when the country had starved enough, they welcomed the Germans waving ans smiling as if they were liberators.
I see a resemblance between that and what Germany is doing to Greece today.
The deal is to bailout Greece by giving Greece money to give back to the banks which was created by 'printing' it from thin air in the first place.
And for this they also want to owner all Greece's assets, and end Greek democracy.
You fucking morons, or should I say Troika-Trolls.
Its a good thing no one would ever bail us out.
That way, we will always have our free, unrigged elections.....
In a world where "money" is created at the whim of the parasites that call themselves our lords, words like "profligate" have no meaning.
They might *think* they are my lord... all I can say is good luck with that. Hear this North American well, banker/sub-human/scumbags wherever you are: *I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees* Count on it.
I'm going to puke.
Voting means nothing. Voting is an illusion to keep the masses distracted. You are only voting on talking heads, but the real action happens afterwards behind closed doors. Nobody monitors what these morons are doing, talking or deciding. Years after they have left office, some papers come up, or become "unclassified" and you hear about the shit that was done 20 years ago. The game goes on and on and on.
I wish we had a Monarchy again. At least you knew who you were feeding and why. Nowadays the waters are as murky and unclear as black paint.
Totally disgusting. After this, everybody should learn the lesson and get prepared. Distance yourself from parties and politicians. Become self sufficient and start thinking independently. You don't need these morons to take care of you. Humans have been taking care of themselves for millenia. They are not your protectors, they are parasites feeding off you.
Good night. Enough said.
+1 Golf clap.
Once again, perfect summary...brutal truth of the real world.
There toys are much bigger than ours...just sayin'...besides there is a new video game coming out, a new car, and my favorite show is coming on and my SMART phone is calling me...got to go. Sad.
The surviving European Monarchies are up to their eyeballs in the murky waters. Ever wonder why the British Prime Minister visits with the Queen twice a week -- to get his instructions on what to do on each aspect of policy.
Hey. I have an idea. Why doesn't Greece agree to pay ALL of the money back the day after the next election. Then, when the people vote in a government that doesn't agree with that, we can accuse the creditors of killing democracy when they expect the original agreement to be upheld.
Does anyone at ZH even THINK anymore?
I feel that you are being harsh.
If you read the accounts of where this perspective came from (that the Troika destroyed democracy of debtors), that's pretty much what the issue was.
You tell me, does Greece need to honor commitments made to the EU in a prior administration, or does the fact that a new government was voted in mean they can ignore what was previously agreed to? It's that simple. There's no "evil bad guys" here - at least with respect to this issue.
EDIT: FWIW, I'm on record repeatedly here as saying Greece should default - so don't think I'm writing from a pro-EU stance.
Don't banks that make bad investments need to take their losses and not have tax payers bail them out? Oh wait, my bad. We live in a world of rogue capitalism. I don't think we need any other proof that the EU is ruled by fascist capitalism.
I belive, therfore I feel. All fixed, have a great day!
Stupid me. I missed your point ... until now.
I THINK you're correct. :-)
Feel your pain bro - I feel it..
Feel your pain bro - I feel it..
This is what is Store for the USA, Canada and all others involved in the TPP that is becoming Law behind Closed Doors.
Selling out the Country Harper? You will fail in the next election and the people will have their eyes opened to make the deals You signed Null and Void. You and your Children will have to move..........Just for their safety.
Being a Canadian I will not abide by TPP or NATO and will actively do anything I can to bring this bullshit to a halt.
Harper is not a dictator, we can get rid of him quick enough, he is only a head of a politcal party.
Too right bro.
I like Harper but his position on Russia/Ukraine and this TPP shit...
Like only goes so far.
Squid
"Halt, worker! Where are you going?"
"To get some water."
"Get back in the mine, American. There is water dripping from the coal!"
+1 LC55.:-)
Where is Hillary in all of these?
Baking cookies with Vikki..
"Elections are no longer needed in the Greater Reich."
The EU a scam? really? If they think this is the end, they ae as mistaken as Hitler was.
HA! There's no point in holding election in any country.
How DARE you question the pronouncements of BANKING PROFESSIONALS
OK home viewers, repeat after me, 'Debt is slavery'.
The magnitude of this is staggering - I have no other words to describe it.
3.2
Crossing the Atlantic; can you say "NMU", for "North American Union"? Read the Scripture; it tells us how it is going and will go and it isn't good for most because they seek shelter in all the wrong places.
The ONLY Correct shelter in 2 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMlv21zGARM
Crocadile
That is because the bankers wrote the bible. Constantine the great was a British born warlord who killed the vedic priests in the vatican and establiished Christianity by the sword. Rome wiped out the nature religions of the Celts and Germanic People. Of course it is going the way, they wrote the play. In fact Constantine studied Veda in India for quite sometime.
200 years ago the west believed the earth to be flat. These are the same people who present you with their version of the bible hammered out about 2000 years ago at the council of Nicea. In 321 A.D. Emperor Constantine decided sunday was a day of prayer as it was a day of sun worship among the pagans. He was a suspicious man as he put to death his own son and his wife due to suspicions, he massacred all of his rivals and was then canonized. In the Council of Ephesus, which was held in 431 A.D., monks and bishops screamed: “Whoso speaks of two natures is a Nestorius, and let him be cut asunder”. A bishop was kicked to death by another bishop in course of their arguments, and 137 corpses were left in a church to attest the convincing reasons by which the most ruffian side proved its orthodoxy. Such were the assemblies of saints who formed the pillars of the structure of Churchianity. We can easily imagine the nature of the guiding spirit of those councils, which established the creed of the church. From the beginning of the history of churches, down to the present day, freedom of thought and freedom of speech, that are the most essential characteristics of true religion, have been suppressed; and fanaticism, bigotry, curses, anathema, religious persecution, tortures of inquisition and diabolical crimes have been committed in the name of religion.
Even Islam had Vedic beginnings. Few are aware that Constantine had journeyed to India and studied Vedic text under Brahmins. Then he went to work. The Papacy was “a Vedic priesthood” until Constantine the Great killed the Vedic pope to replace him with the head of the hitherto unimportant Christian sect. This instantly ensured the Europe-wide triumph of Christianity because of the “sacred sway of the holy hoary Vedic priest known as the Shankaracharya” There has been debate over the veracity of his faith because he was baptized only on his death bed. See article on the Constantinian Shift. He was British born. The chief priest (the Pontifex Maximus) was from the time of Constantine forced to call himself a Christian priest. Maximus is the Sanskrit term Mahattamas, i.e. “the topmost”.
The emperor Constantine convened the council of Nicaea around 369. He called all the “holy men” of the day who were “under divine guidance” to meet in Turkey as it was convenient for all. Eusebius was the only deacon invited due to his recent war record where brought the sword of the Lord against Arianism. The doctrine of reincarnation was done away with and it was even debated whether or not Alexander would be divine also and equal to Jesus. Books on Arianism would be burned and anybody caught with one would be executed. That is when the killing went into high gear in Europe the Irish and Germanic nature religions would convert or die to the new Christianity of Rome. Religion had joined hands with masonry and now labeled the eternal Vedic truths as “paganism.” Constantine began butchering the Gnostics of which the disciple Thomas was once a practitioner and the Vedic tradition of Tantrayana is very much a part of. British warlord Constantine debated as to whether or not to include Alexander along with Jesus as being divine when he murdered the Vedic priests in the Vatican, wrote the bible and mangled the ancient manuscripts to his advantage. He had no choice at that time due to the statue of Alexander in this period. It was decided against it however. The Great one was heroic but nowhere near the statue and warrior spirit of Lord Jesus. “‘King James’ Bible in 1611, was a work of social engineering by the English Elite. This was undertaken to coral the masses into mental servitude to Luciferianism/Rosicrucianism.
It was a step away from true spirituality, whose tenets presented a clear danger to the establishment then, and as it still does today. In the late 16th century, immediately prior to the KJV becoming the de facto standard bible, Sir John Dee, left, was an Enochian black magician. Dee and Francis Bacon, the author of ‘The New Atlantis’ were both instrumental in the production of the KJV. As the Bible itself exhorts us to stay away from occult and witchcraft practices, it is paradoxical that Christians should embrace a work mastered as it was by high-ranking members of the occult. As well as being Queen Elizabeth’s ‘spymaster’, Sir John Dee was a prominent member of The Worshipful Company of Mercers, which are Masonic Lodges by another name, led by a Worshipful Master.” http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=73505 Now getting around to the matter of what Jesus really said can be found in the Essene scrolls. How do I know this? Well because it is common sense. It fits the definition of reality and makes no money for any organization. It is in line with most other religions including native American stories. You will possibly not convince many westerners of this without it appearing in school texts, sunday school classes or Fox News and other venues.
Many of the west simply do not except anything unless it threatens to cost them their employment or a certain level of comfort. Sometimes even that is not effective. Maybe the church can save you but always remember, they want 10% off the top. Beware that faith does not overshadow reason.
Actually, everything is God's. We get to keep 90% of it. Your view of Biblical history is a just a tad stilted.
You forgot Churchill - dig history and see what will you find
The rich rules over the poor, And the borrower is servant to the lender. He who sows iniquity (evil or wickedness) will reap sorrow, And the rod of his anger will fail.
Rabbit Season, Duck Season trilogy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17ocaZb-bGg (4:56)
Isn't it great when the only portion of bullshit ongoings are when they all have a big suck me orgy in front of the "we have a treaty ready to be agreed on by blowjobs" in the oil sales and continuing middle east wars that keep numerous well paid arms contractors busy until the next world war needs to make the .5% even richer.
Kerry is a clown!
There will be no 2016 election!
Well, since all western countries are technically bankrupt, and will be bailed out by taxpayers, who will have no choice in the matter, I guess they can just shitcan voting everywhere. Time for the 1000 years of darkness to begin.
Yeah a thousand points of darkness.
Greece is a distraction for what is really happening.
Hold on tight.
I think you are right, big things around the corner.
Nothing New Here! Nigel Farage has been speaking of the European Union losing their Democracy for Years! He has been recieving the 'Ron Paul' Treatment also. Fuck Them!
Let them Reap what They have Sown!
Amen!
Here is what no one is saying. The system is thowing Greece to the wolves so that the banking world will not collapse on this crew's watch.
Greece is a sacrifice they are willing to make.
This is the modern and financial equivalent of the burning of the Reichstag. That subspended democracy and led to fascism cause democracy only gets in the way of building a dictatorship. If the Germans were allowed to vote in 1937 they would have voted the Nazis away.
It is ironic and totally sends the message that democracy is killed where it was invented. If the EU citizens have not awoken to the new reality that the EU is a dictatorship then I don't know what else can wake them up from their reality-TV and gadgets induced slumber. To the barricades!
Banks, the banking industry and the monetary system have become a joke.
Banks have become strange hybrid institution where the profits remain in private hands and the losses are socialised.
They need “too big to fail” status because they know they can’t stand on their own two feet in the marketplace and need the crutch of a Government backstop.
It is the nation’s responsibility to recapitalise its banks when bankers have run them into the ground.
The nation has to borrow money from banks and pay interest on those loans.
Banks can only create money from new debt and the world is drowning in debt.
The Central Banks can print money by the trillion to bail out banks but can never contribute a single penny to help the nation’s population.
This is madness.
Governments can create money instead of banks.
The money saved on interest can cut taxes for everyone.
Money can be created to directly help the nation’s population.
It is time to end the madness, visit the Positive Money web-site for more details.
Sadly central banks run society
Only if you're on the wrong end of it. Wouldn't you organise society for your personal benefit if you could? The real problem being that the majority were dumb enough to let them.
"Pick a political party .... any party ..... any party you like.
You have the democratic freedom to pick any party you like.
Don't forget ...... guys died for you to be free......"
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Thing is, tax underwrites debt..... we will NEVER NEVER be free while government people use the threat of violence to extort tax to underwrite debt.
Can something conjured from nothing actually be lost?
Did it ever really exist in the first place?
Some said it did.
Of course it exist as we see it on the white/grey screen when it is put it there.
But, emp disappears all.
Perhaps a pretend emp will fix the problem.
BuzZaPP!
Hey! Where the heck did that thing go?!
It was here a moment ago!
Good night.
since when did elections matter! the shadow government makes the final decision and if people think that their vote count, then they are really deluded!
Never heard this speech from Herr H. before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=froTxqKSqc4&feature=youtu.be
All Europeans need to take notice of the German mantra "Deutschland, Deutschland uber Alles". It's not just the German government that believes this but a majority of the population also.
It's time for all other EU members to start planning their exits from the new German empire (known as the EU), before the jackboot descends on them also.
Proverbs 22:7
"The borrower is SLAVE to the lender."
So yes, if you borrow money, you are no longer a sovereign person, or a sovereign nation. Tsipras is right. Greece bought the ticket, now they're taking the ride.
This is a fight Germany versus US.
US does not want to release Germany, pull out their troops.
US wants to have Germany as a vasal state. Germany is paying a heavy price for the WWII.
Germany wants to escape and run over to BRICS.
US threatens Germany to destroy them by killing their economy, the way is to criple their banks, like they did to Credit Agricole in France and fine them with a heavy fine and exclude them from the dollar flow....
Germany tries to implode the EU and EU economy , what would render EU worthless to US.
And to achieve this goal, Germany is using Greece, tries to hurt NATO, tries to show to US the finger.
This is my quick analysis of what we can see now. There are much more factors in the game, which makes it opaque. After the smoke will lift, we shall see, that Germany will be at the european end of BRICS.
The US and UK will be dumped. But I hope, that Germany and BRICS do it without the confrontation with Tel Aviv and with US.
Lest we forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnyHtPxBZn0
Hardly surprising that the risk of a Brexit is growing.
That's what will happen next - Elections predicted since Feb this year
Coming to a country, near you, soon enough.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
Very simple, really. You're either willing to make the sacrifice or you're not.I see this as the corruption and concession side of the movie. When do the Spartans come in?