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A New World Order of Corporate America Recruiting?
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I recall a robotics expert who, with gleeful exhuberance, expressed that in his opinion human beings would soon be irrelevant.
Irrelevant to what, I wondered... what exactly is the ultimate point?
Production... One robot to produce the widgit, one to consume it... presumably this means something along the line of smashing it to bits... and one robot to recycle the parts... forever into infinity (I wanted to say ad infinitum, but realized I couldn't spell it).
Knowledge... the universe is without rhyme or reason... but mastering the material process becomes the end all of existance. Even though 1) We can't really master the process as there is a built in limit to what we can know 2) Whatever we believe we have mastered is then what... stored in some vault? 3) The universe will eventually be dead and all that stored data with it... but the machines will have something to do till then...
Wealth... a handful of 1 percenters sitting onto of their dung heap eyeing a world of machinerary building and smashing their widgets and storing their data...
I always thought the ultimate point was the human soul... didn't know that God made throw aways... thought we had some responsibility to elevate consciousness of our fellow man (I became a teacher which shows you how gullible I am)...
But what do I know??
Did you ever stop, while in the middle of the rat race, and contemplate people on the dole might just have figured something out!
If you play " in the system" and by the system's rules anymore, it will chew you up, and spit you out.
I want to be a pot smoking transvestite illeagal immigrant, with neck tattoos, offended by a flag. Pretty much the perfect Merican at that point.
This BS goes on all the time these days. I don't quite agree about younger being preferred these days. People are finding the lack skill and drive. It soured the employment statistics too
So maybe your friend smoked a doob in college and they found out in the background check. Who cares? WTF?
Clear Channel (now iHeartmedia-what a stupid fucking name) did this to me a couple of years ago.
Two interviews and a phone follow-up discussing salary, how soon can you start, etc. Then crickets. I finally called to learn "we went another way". I'm lucky I didn't work for these scum.
With all this rubbish behaviour going on in large corporations it's hardly surprising that giant projects like the F-35 aircraft are a total failure.
It's time for a revolution.
if I were smart very capable responsible mid manage ment em ployee I would be searching fortune 500 co.' that might be still around in -10-15 yrs, not jobs, the brics, aiib, and euro-asia countyries, are going to get their Obama, he will state yes we can, do without Americas, less than honest businesses, and banking and with a trip to a tele promter, he will strongly urge no American produdts will b sold to 5,000,000,000 non-americans, he represents.
Pro Tips:
Lie like a politician on your app. and bullshit like a lawyer on the interview.
If you can't get by them with that, then you're not smart enough for the job anyway.
With all this rubbish behaviour going on in large corporations it's hardly surprising that giant projects like the F-35 aircraft are a total failure.
It's time for a revolution.
I've encountered one pretty cool HR person, a woman in her late 40's.
The story: I showed up for an interview in Treasury at a large multi-nat corp. The job was currency hedging. I had a couple interviews with HR then I had one with the Treasurer, who was nice looking, in her early 30s and clearly not too capable. I had another interview with her. Then I got called back by HR and met with the HR woman. She offered me a cup of coffee and let it all out: HR had been trying to fill the position for 6 months but the Treasurer a) wouldn't hire anyone who she felt threatened by and b) was afraid to hire anyone who couldn't do the job. She told me I was perfect for the job but Treasurer could never make a decision because she was threatened by anyone smarter than she was--which included anyone competent to do the job. Then she told me the Treasurer was a moron who got her job the old fashioned way: screwed the CEO. True story. At least I got flattered, entertained and told the truth!
Reminds me of an attractive saleswoman I met and was trying to hook up with. I asked her one night if she ever screwed a client to make a sale. I must have caught her off-guard because she answered that she had.
Needless to say, we went our seperate ways rather quickly after that for a number of reasons.
Side note more on topic: If you are ever asked the following in an interview, excuse yourself and head for the nearest exit and don't look back.
"Are you a team player?"
Me: "At any time did you consider screwing the CEO?"
Me: (3 days later, in recovery) "And then I asked, 'At...' "
The way you get money from that type of employer is that you arrest them. Prosecute them for treason and redistribute their stolen wealth into an open source publicly owned and operated financial system.
Err.. Thank you for your comment, Comrade.
I've got no more love for giant psychopathic corporations than anyone else here, but why is it that the only response people will even consider is one that would have made Stalin happy?
Agreed CL.
Violent intervention ("government") is what keeps parasitic corporations in business. Free markets have serious consequences on a company's bottom line for such shenanigans as described in the article.
This in not that unusual. Most likely there were at least 2 candidates being considered for possible 2 positions. One of the postions was filled with the other candidate and the other position was removed entirely as management may have decided not to replace someone or go with a leaner staff. Things change repidly so don't ever assume you are hired until you actually sign paperwork and have an offer letter in hand.
I agree, this is pretty typical behavior over the past 20 to 30 years in America.
It is godawfully inefficient and effed up, but about the only activities American biz can do today are to offshore jobs, import foreign visa workers and push junk paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJWEvP9gtww
Good read, address'es the situation in corporate these days.
I created so much grief with management the offered me a buy out that could not be turned down. My unit manager was on the take, reported him to corporate security, twice, just as the manual stated, "if you even suspect fraud, criminal activity, you must report it" Upper management covered for him, people that gave me the information went strangely silent. I finally got the SOB after Safeco was taken over by Liberty Mutual, had seperated with Safeco and Liberty Mutual.
The "jobvent site' was especially useful in that little dog fight as it caused a lot of people wondering who was the rat.
I watched people work 60-80 hrs a week to keep up with the work load still get fired. Word got around in upper hatchet management that I was going to "mug" the bastard if I got the chance. That had a good effect for a while. Offering to kick their ass whenn they got abusive was a constant method to get them under control.
It does not hurt to have good skills, and preformance review reflecting that I was the best preformer in the country every quarter for 5 years.
Not even close to your story, but made me remember the actions of my last real employer before I left and went out to do contract work while building my own computer services firm.
This employer was bad, and I did not fit in well with their corporate BS--The job and the mission done well, and fuck the politics.
Anyways, in my last month there, when they got wind that I was leaving, they started having me take calls to try to explain what was behind my successes. The one thing they were most focused on was my next to zero turnover--Unheard of low values for the company and the industry. I kept telling them that I treat my folks with respect and allow autonomy so as long as the job gets done. That, when problems happen, decisions are owned--to know why one made a decision--by those involved. That way, if a another decision would have been better, the why of both would be self-evident and clear, and learning will be automatic--blame would not be assessed, only learning, and moving off in the new direction. Above all, I was responsible for all of their decisions and actions as if I had made them myself, and as such, I had their backs.
Based on their behavior after that call, I believe that they thought I was fucking with them. They just could not understand or grasp the power of managing with dignity and respect. They were used to managing with control, fear, and intimidation, which only works until the person finds a position elsewhere where, they hope, some of their dignity may be restored, if just a little bit. I had next to no turnover because people had dignity and a purpose under me.
They actually called back with a third person on the call who kept focusing on the word "dignity" that I had used. It seems that that word carried negative political ramifications for them, and they wanted to get "clarification" so as to enable them to spin my use of it. I am sure that it went down that I was "disgruntled," or something, and hence my use of that word. They learned nothing and kept at their expensive ways, despite me showing them that their was a better way. LOL
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
As for having their backs, I remember one of my bosses trying to get me to throw an employee under the bus for a decision they had made. It was a good decision for the info the employee had, and responsibility for their not having the rest of the info they needed to make a better decision lay with me. This boss got so flummoxed when I kept insisting that "It was my decision. My fault. I'm responsible." He was so used to corporate buck-passing, that he just could not understand someone taking responsibility for the actions of one's subordinates. Anyways, the situation got fixed, the Earth didn't stop spinning. Above all, morale was not destroyed, and this employee learned and became an even better asset to me and the firm--Imagine that.
That " pass the buck" is interesting.
I am self employed, building contractor. I can " do" about 80 things, professionaly, to keep the list short.
So I find myself, recently, on a renovation, and my helper is the owner's unemployed buddy. He lives close to the job, 42 guy, a logistics manager who's company relocated. Logistics manager? He could not fucking explain to me, in any valid way, what he did for $120,000.00 a year. But I figure, he must have a brain, so let's go.
Could not read a tape measure. Broke more tool handles in 5 months, than Ive seen broken in a lifetime. And always follow up " your broom handle broke". "Your wheelbarrow got a flat". " the hammer broke". He would stand in front of me, when confronted, and state " I didnt do it" or " it wasn't my fault" to the point of nausea. This fucker owned NOTHING!
I know this wasn't his field, so to speak, but you can guage General competance on a construction job. No hand skills. No planning skills. No following direction. No taking responsibility for his actions. And made a point of getting under my skin for kicks.
He, in short, is a fucking idiot, and I don't how he survived this long.
He just got a manager job, not quite 6 figures. The process, which I had to watch and endure, took over 7 weeks and at least 10 interviews. It MUST be a fucked up process. He got the job. Good riddance.
I remind myself, the world is run by idiots.
The world is run by thieves, which is why they want to rule the world.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Society needs to re-examine its existance, purpose, societal structures etc. There can be no more FULL EMPLOYMENT given current technology and over capacity in production. The masses have been brainwashed into the adherence of unfettered free-market capitalism and it has litterally blown up in our faces. Capitalism in its natural guise is a sham, socialism in its current guise is a sham, life is a sham, meritocracy as practiced today is a sham. Neoptism is pandemic. Welcome to the real world 2015.
But the question is, how *do* you structure a world in which we can make all the widgets 7 billion people need, with only 3 billion people working? Maybe you do have full employment with public works projects, jobs for the asking. It's all a bit scifi, but either we're there now or will be there soon.
Publicly owned robot slaves/factories for life's essentials?
Or luxuries, let them bake cakes, build yachts, direct traffic, check on old people, look up old WPA and CCC projects and like that. Some of the jobs can be semi-skilled, even highly-skilled, at modest pay, somewhere between real jobs and hobbies.
This stuff reminds me of my youth and growing into adulthood during the '70's..the Cold War dominated our mentallity and I recall smugly philosophying about the self-defeating, self-hating and genenocide of their own peoples under Stalin and Mao, etc. I recall expressng my ingorant, blindly patriot American arrogance say..
"Hey the commies do this stuff to themselves, they're just too fuckin stupid, as long as their tolerate their own illogical, pathological ways abusing and killing their own I just can't generate any respect for them!"
Hmm. I recently swallowed the red pill [as someone commented on ZH] and left the USA two years ago. I experience some of these hiring practices working as a higher scale software engineer in Florida and the Silicon Valley starting after the meltdown in 2003. Being a sr. software engineer used to be a respected profession before they started bringing in all the foreign cheaper engineers etc. Now programming pays the say rates it did in 2003. I said this for year and my coworkers would disagree with me...shows intelligence in a skill means nothing in real world. I still get ticklers from pimps and they are offering engineer jobs which have double the skills requirement vs. 2003 and they pay is the rates I was getting around 2000. Not just a rant, Amerika is committing suicide, its just too collectively stupid to see it.
"Amerika is committing suicide, its just too collectively stupid to see it."
With respect, but America, the country and the people, are being oppressed by an occupying criminal tyranny, the DC US, and a plundering fifth-column tyranny, Zion and their grifting banksters.
But we will rise up out of the muck we've been pushed down into, and in a blazing show of teeth and claws, devour our oppressors and plunderers.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
I have .223 teeth and 7.62 claws.
Its all bullshit....got to 2:30 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
Those no good rotten m*^%#f@&?ers! A hand grenade tossed on stage would be about right.
Watching that reminded me that I am updating the first entry of my Four R's, Rejection, to include "Stop-up the system
This means, like some prisoners of the Soviet gulags did, using their own rules and laws against them.
This video could be used against Mr. Lebowitz, Ms. Pack their firm of Cohen & Grigsby, and any clients of the firm, to file a RICO and discrimination suit. Above all RICO.
Not that one could expect to win, but if many did this, the system that functions so well in the service of Mr. Lebowitz, his firm, and the tyranny of the DC US and Zion, would choke to a stop.
Going further, while Revolution and violence are coming, are here, an individual's first steps and actions need not be violence, but can, should, be non-violent actions against tyranny's precarious financial and legal edifice.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
The Four Rs
Rejection: Stop Paying, Stop Obeying, Stop Playing, Stop-up the System.
Revolution: It is inevitable, so prepare, as they are.
Restoration: Restore the American people, country and Constitutional republic.
Retribution: The guilty must answer for their crimes against the American people and the Constitution.
Or they were told to hire the relative of a senior executive. There is no meritocricy in a corporatocracy...
Stop doing business with multinationals. Why do any of you suppose that undocumented aliens are ALLOWED to stream across the U.S. border? Work regulations cost money so they just circumvent them. If you think the illegals are just doing work Americans won't do you are sadly mistaken. They now are taking over construction, manufacturing, food processing etc... Even this is not enough as food grown and raised in the U.S. Is being shipped to China for processing and then being shipped back. Fuck the multinationals!
A note of thought to all those mentioning unions, right-to-work "illegals," "new immigrants," many candidates for few positions, etc.:
1) Would the American country and people resemble the condition that we are in if the banksters could not practice their grift, and print their counterfeit fiat poison to rob us of our wealth, economic opportunities, and dignity?
2) Would the American country and people resemble the condition we are in without the ownership and control that the Zionist fifth-column now exercises over the DC US government and tyranny?
You are looking out a dirty window. Clean it, as there is a whole lot of Zion smeared all over it.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Achilles heel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q6gSgJxejE
A couple more passed free trade deals should put the final nails in coffin of the American working class. Our politicians can't agree on anything but fucking over labor for a little money and temporary power
its not temp power. this is the long term plan. think bigger, its been in the works for decades. read quigley.
On the PIP thing there are two drivers. First, most lower management jobs have been so de-skilled, the individuals in them have no idea how to actually manage subordinates. Second, if you institutionalize all such practices it makes them more defensible in court when the employee sues for unfair termination.
I agree, excellent analysis.
And maybe even a way to beat down the pay of front line managers. Thus saving even more for upper mgt to stick their greasy ham-fists into.
You win, Code.
That's the long and short of it...
Very common kind of story. Of course, anything said to you on a Friday afternoon is bogus. Odds are excellent they didn't hire anybody, or it was just a pro-forma search before an internal promotion, or outsourcing the whole thing to India.
You just hit on something that pisses me off worse than anything.
Getting jerked off in an interview process when they already have a candidate picked out.
It's bullshit and a waste of time and almost everyone who interviews has probably been there.
And that condition probably constitutes the majority, if not the vast majority, of interviews and processes.
Preselected individuals, especially nepotistic hires (family relatives, school chums, etc.).
Or, to pump up their investors, attempting to make them believe the company is healthy.
Back in the 1990s, a company in Bothell, WA (near Redmond, WA), called Traveling Software, had just laid off 60% of their workforce.
But to fool investors, they advertised as if on a hiring spree.
I knew one poor fellow who wouldn't listen to me try to dissuade him from wasting his time, and he spent six months worth of interviews trying to get an accounting position with them.
Of course, they never hired anyone.
Well, to be fair, sometimes they have to interview to get their EEOC points up, have to interview two Jews, one cripple, one woman and a black (in the infamous words of James Watt), also a couple of older guys. Google is big on that last one.
This post makes me really mad. With this kind of attitude and shitty treatment of the heavy lifting persons I'm starting to think unions again. With a little "knee cap" negotiation many middle management types become nicer people--
Interesing you should say that, because they pull the exact same bullshit when moving to decertify an onsite union, pulling this bullcrap and then complaining that they cannot hire anyone, so they should move to a no-union shop!
Great idea, but 20 years too late. The "New Immigrants" have killed the concept on unization.
Maybe, maybe not.
The first unions were composed of Irish, Italian, English, French immigrants.
Maybe not the ones right off the boat, but once you meet the bottom level of the hierachy of needs you start looking at the next level, don't you?
You may have missed that recent zerohedge blog post explainin g that in May's job creation numbers (280,000) only 1,000 jobs went to American-born workers.
So guess who the rest got them?
Go for it. Unionize middle management and white collars. Be the "Boss." Make your living off their backs.