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California Water Wars Escalate: State Changes Law, Orders Farmers To Stop Pumping
"In the water world, the pre-1914 rights were considered to be gold," exclaimed one water attorney, but as AP reports, it appears that 'gold' is being tested as California water regulators flexed their muscles by ordering a group of farmers to stop pumping from a branch of the San Joaquin River amid an escalating battle over how much power the state has to protect waterways that are drying up in the drought. As usual, governments do what they want with one almond farmer raging "I've made investments as a farmer based on the rule of law...Now, somebody's changing the law that we depend on." This is not abiout toi get any better as NBCNews reports, this drought is of historic proportions - the worst in over 100 years.
The current drought has averaged a reading of -3.67 over the last three years, nearly twice as bad as the second-driest stretch since 1900, which occurred in 1959.
Other studies using PDSI data drawn from tree-ring observations reaching even further back in time reveal similar findings. One such study from University of Minnesota and Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute researchers showed the current drought is California's worst in at least 1,200 years.
And as AP reports, regulatords are changing the laws to address the problems...
The State Water Resources Control Board issued the cease and desist order Thursday against an irrigation district in California's agriculture-rich Central Valley that it said had failed to obey a previous warning to stop pumping. Hefty fines could follow.
The action against the West Side Irrigation District in Tracy could be the first of many as farmers, cities and corporations dig in to protect water rights that were secured long before people began flooding the West and have remained all but immune from mandatory curtailments.
"I've made investments as a farmer based on the rule of law," said David Phippen, an almond grower in the South San Joaquin Irrigation District. "Now, somebody's changing the law that we depend on."
Phippen said his grandfather paid a premium price in the 1930s for hundreds of acres because it came with nearly ironclad senior water rights.
Phippen said he takes those rights to the bank when he needs loans to replant almond orchards or install new irrigation lines. He fears that state officials are tampering with that time-tested system.
Several irrigation districts have filed unresolved legal challenges to stop the curtailments demanded by the state.
Among them is the West Side Irrigation District, which claimed a victory in a ruling last week by a Sacramento judge who said the state's initial order to stop pumping amounted to an unconstitutional violation of due process rights by not allowing hearings on the cuts.
Superior Court Judge Shelleyanne Chang also indicated, however, that the water board can advise water rights holders to curtail use and fine them if the agency determines use exceeded the limit.
West Side is a small district with junior water rights, but the ruling also has implications for larger districts with senior rights.
West Side's attorney Steven Herum said the order issued Thursday was prompted after the judge sided with his client.
"It is clear that the cease-and-desist order is retaliatory," Herum said. "It's intended to punish the district."
Still the farmers face an uphill battle...
Buzz Thompson, a water rights expert at Stanford Law School, expects California to prevail in the fight to pursue its unprecedented water cuts because courts have consistently expanded its authority.
"It's only when you get into a really serious drought that you finally face the question," he said.
California is an anomaly among Western states in the way it treats water rights. Thompson said other states use widespread meters and remote sensors to measure consumption or don't provide special status to those with property next to natural waterways.
"In any other state, this wouldn't be a question," he said.
California rights holders are going to have to abide by more strict measurement requirements starting next year after fighting several attempts to overhaul the rules for decades, said Andy Sawyer, a longtime attorney at the water board.
"They long thought it's nobody else's business," said Lester Snow, executive director of the California Water Foundation, which advocates for better measurement of water consumption to improve management.
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The Water Wars are just beginning and, it appears, with big oil still exempt, the small businessman and average joe face the costs...
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"I've made investments as a farmer based on the rule of law...Now, somebody's changing the law that we depend on."
Dude - that is sooo last century thinking!
How much you wanna bet "some animals are more equal than other animals" in all this...
Hey, just ask Tom Selleck.
I know I'm not alone in having made simular mis-assumptions about the rule of law in the metals markets.
"When things get serious, you lie."
Corollary: "When things get real, you change the rules"
Double secret corollary: "When things get super serious, fuck it, just kill people and shit."
OK, one more time for those who might not have gotten it yet: It's a fucking DESERT. It's what deserts do- be dry.
As for the small farmers getting the shaft here, I'm sorry. I feel your pain. But look on the bright side. Once you have been bankrupted they will give your land to large corporations for pennies on the dollar and strip-mine it to support California's bloated state budget. And if it ever starts to rain they'll still let you come back and sharecrop on land that was formerly yours. It's only fair. And it's for the children.
California isn't going to let this crisis go to waste.
International report confirms: 2014 was Earth’s warmest year on record
Climate markers continue to show global warming trend
July 16, 2015
State of the Climate in 2014 report available online. (Credit: NOAA)
In 2014, the most essential indicators of Earth’s changing climate continued to reflect trends of a warming planet, with several markers such as rising land and ocean temperature, sea levels and greenhouse gases ? setting new records. These key findings and others can be found in the State of the Climate in 2014 report released online today by the American Meteorological Society (AMS).
Record temperatures observed near the Earth’s surface: Four independent global datasets showed that 2014 was the warmest year on record. The warmth was widespread across land areas. Europe experienced its warmest year on record, with more than 20 countries exceeding their previous records. Africa had above-average temperatures across most of the continent throughout 2014, Australia saw its third warmest year on record, Mexico had its warmest year on record, and Argentina and Uruguay each had their second warmest year on record. Eastern North America was the only major region to experience below-average annual temperatures.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2015/071615-international-report-con...
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/engineered-drought-catastrophe-target...
Just tossing that into the conversation.
Worst since Lehman?
Revolution starts in California.
Relying on The Law.
How quaint, esp if you're the little peeple.
I'm not big on the law protecting you from your own stupidity. Dude invested in an almond farm during a record drought. If he wasn't smart enough to take the hint and by the S&P or make some type of almond phone app, tough luck.
Move some of this water wasting agriculture north to Oregon so I can stop hearing how my shower is draining California.
"Now, somebody's changing the law that we depend on."
Let me guess... some jackass who's loved government his whole life, wrapped himself in the flag and all, suddenly had an epiphany...
Why was he stupid to expect the law to be followed?
He owns the water rights, it is his to use as he see fit.
If he wants to use it to grow crops he can, by law. But of course we are no longer a nation of laws.
Is it also stupid to expect you have ownership of what is bought and paid for in your house and that someone cannot walk in, take it and give it to someone else. Bottom line, someone with influence wants his water and eventually his land.
So the golf courses are all brown then? Doesn't look like it: http://golf.lacity.org/
Just remember to flush hard, fellow Oregonian. CA needs the water, then it will dump it into the ocean after treating it. Who in their right mind "invests" in an almond orchard in a major drought cycle, and who would invest money in a state run by "Governor Moonbeam?" And, we think our government in Salem is nuts?
Won't lose any sleep over the plight of the multi-millionaire almond farmer. Are you fucking kidding me with this bullshit! Almonds or drinking water?
Plus a whole variety of non-NOAA and associated entities (who "seasonally adjust" the data to what they want to show) clearly display that there's been no warming.
The "warming" hockey stick is falsified data as was exposed by East Anglia's own records.
Um, NO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7whL9jvdL5s
Also, Antartic ice levels are at RECORD HIGHS, and increasing even NOW.
I will grant that it is hard to tell what is really going on because the weather manipulation is so extreme, but from what I have read (and it is extensive), we are more likely going into a cold spell than anything else.
Edit: read what silver stacker wrote below.
Based on the count of sunspots, some scientists say that by 2030 we'll be in a cold spell similar to the Maunder Minimum.
Curiously, there is a move afoot to revise the way sunspots are calculated. Apparently they're taking lessons from the BLS on how to fudge the numbers when they don't support your point of view. OTOH, the sun doesn't care a bit how we count sunspots. If it wants to go to sleep there isn't anything we can do about it.
Just keep believing what you want to believe, a new minimum in 2030 would make it like it was all the way back in 2015....
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2010GL042710/abstract
The party is over, get over it
Also, Antartic ice levels are at RECORD HIGHS, and increasing even NOW.
I will grant that it is hard to tell what is really going on because the weather manipulation is so extreme, but from what I have read (and it is extensive), we are more likely going into a cold spell than anything else.
I totally agree with you IV, my research also says that the earth is cooling and not warming. The whole global warming thing has proven to be a fraud. They caught the so called scientists falsifying their records. The reasons behind this are many but one of the main ones is that governments want to be able to tax carbon emissions. There is a lot written on this subject. Below is a link from youtube on global warming hoax.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=global+warming+hoax
At least spell Antarctic correctly, and no, the ice on land is disappearing at a rate of about 70 gigatons a year...
Any one who doesn;t understand the difference between sea ice and land ice should really just STFU and spare us all...
BTW, Could you point us to some of your research? LMAO....
And this:
http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcqdt3LK6d66tMreI4gqIC-
Good I hope it gets hot enough to burn you and every other ignorant mother fucker like you to dust.
Ho Hummmm http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/satellites-earth-is-nearly-in-its-21st-year-without-global-warming/
This drought is NOT NATURAL.
I am sick and tired of trying to wake you dudes up...this is GEOENGINEERED, and I KNOW because it *directly* affects my WORK.
We are seeing HUGE spikes in aluminum levels in the Sacramento River, on the order of MILLIGRAMS PER LITER, via ICP. Now, what in the fuck could be putting that shit there?
Oh and by the way, this shit is KILLING OUR FISH. I do Whole Effluent Chronic toxicity testing using fathead minnows and river water, and they are dying EVERY TIME - showing symptoms of toxicity due to the presence of aluminum nanoparticles. This shit is *also* KILLING DELTA SMELT in the river and delta. Go do an internet search on that if you want to open a whole new ball of wax.
This drought is NOT NATURAL.
You are right on the money with this IV. See the result of my research on geoengineering a few posts below this. We need to wake more people up to this reality. There is irrefutable evidence by numerous scientists and other professionals supporting this.
Thanks for posting the link, SS.
Wanna hear WEIRD?
I did a 'net search to see if anyone else out there had been seeing spikes of aluminum in the river, and found Dane's website. After perusing it extensively (and doing other research), I got religion and started to document all that I had been seeing.
I posted some of my observations on his website, and got the attention of one of his aides. Dane himself wrote me, asking if I could send him some more information. So, in a series of e-mails, I did send him some preliminary stuff - no raw data as that is privileged here (and I could get fired for it), just general observations...but after a few e-mails, he stopped responding to me.
Curious, I got back on his site and tried to contact him via his website portal. He responded to me in e-mail, saying he did not get *ANY* of those e-mails; and on top of that, others with info had reported not being able to contact him either.
So, I decide to try to call him, as he gave me his number and invited me to do so. No sooner did I try to call MY PHONE WENT DEAD. Not just a dead battery - FRIED. A *NEW* phone.
Undeterred, I tried again to contact him via his website portal. Guess what? My computer hard drive CRASHED. Total physical failure. Even my BIOS was ruined; I had to get a new computer.
OK, so both things could be coincidences, right? Well, right after that I got several packages in the mail, and: EVERY SINGLE ONE HAD BEEN OPENED. Didn't even try to put them back together. I talked to my UPS guy, and he said he got them that way. Since then, I haven't gotten any packages but much of my mail has been obviously opened and searched.
These fucks play hardball. Any wonder my tone on ZH is angry much of the time?!
Me and my compadres created a site just for these discussions.
http://stratosphericaerosols.com
Thanks for the site AF. I checked it out and intend on using it.
Thanks for replying back IV. That is weird stuff happening but too much to be a coincidence. I have heard of similar things happening to others that are just trying to get the truth out of what the government is up to. They have hit me too. When I attempted to order two supplements from my online vitamin supplier that counteract the negative effects of the chemicals (spirulina and chlorella) my credit card was mysteriously hacked - 3 times in a row and had to be replaced. The third time I went thru paypal which is an extra level of security and they hacked that too. The security people investigating this at the bank said that was impossible for anybody to do except the government. I was also locked out of facebook for posting articles from ZH to the public. You are right these fuckers play hardball. Dane Wigington has said that he has spoke to lower level government officials about the chemtrails and they acknowledged that it is going on and being covered up, but they have been threatened and are afraid to speak up. Same thing happened with college professors speaking on this - they were threatened to keep their mouths shut. This goes beyond our government and it is a global issue tied in with NWO and Agenda 21. The government also uses the H.A.A.R.P program in conjunction with the spraying. In old literature that they have since covered up they have admitted that they can cause earthquakes, hurricanes, droughts, floods, etc. There is a lot of evidence supporting that they caused the recent floods in Texas. They are evil bastards behind this. I'll post the main youtube link for H.A.A.R.P. info below and the one pertaining to the Texas floods.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=haarp
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=haarp+texas+floods
Better learn to sit back and Enjoy it dumb ass because either way you ain't stoping shit.
Definitely this is an engineered drought. You'd have to be a complete zombie, with your cranium facing downward, to not see it. Big ole trough just stuck of the Pacific for FOUR YEARS! Yeah, that's totally natural!
Definitely this is an engineered drought - CYBERTOOTH
I'm glad to see that there are other people awake to what is happening out there. It is scary being the only person awake trying to wake everybody else up. They are spraying above my house as I am writing this. It's like they just zeroed in on my coordiantes by my IP address. I had to shut down my AC because I can taste the metallic aluminum.
California is a BIG state. It is not all desert. Where I live we got over 40 inches last year and we generally get from 30 to 100 inches of rain a year. If you average out the last four years, yes, rainfall is below average for a four-year period even in my area. California has the best water rights in the country, FOR THE LITTLE GUY. So of course the big corporations want our water. I have junior water "rights" on a contiguous river that in the last ten years apparently turned into a privilege, like driving, so I have to pay over $100 a year for the right to my water. I'm getting ready to go completely rogue.
The more control they try to take, the more we need to resist and ignore and fight back or soon we will be in tiny crates without food or water. I kid you not.
The amount of tyrrany you live under is exactly how much you'll put up with (or something like that) T.J.
Electrolytes bitchez! - It's what plants CRAVE!
Ah BrawndoTM.
"I've made investments as a farmer based on the rule of law...Now, somebody's changing the law that we depend on."
Dear dumbass farmer, . . . wake the fuck up.
http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/Home/RegionalDroughtMonitor.aspx?west
Waking up in America is SOOOOOO not happening.
Let me guess...your a pompous fuck who is totally self reliant and eats or needs nothing from any farmer.
If so, great..if not STFU and put yourself in a farmers shoes for a change instead of spouting useless kindergarten drivel from mums basement.
Fu<k off, asshat.
"A contract broken once can be broken twice"
- old American Indian proverb
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosy probably have a project to sell California Farm Land to Chinese.
Water rights aren't going to be worth much when there isn't any water. Just like having paper gold isn't going to be worth much when you don't have any physical gold. Its all as valuable as the paper its printed on.
Maybe someone will issue "paper water"...
I got a great deal on dehydrated water...stores forever and is a fraction of the weight. When you're ready to use, just add water ;)
Don't be shorting those crappy banks or expecting bond holders to come before union bailouts, baby.
RE: Tom Selleck.
The lesson there is don't steal from the thieves in city hall.
The California Drought Is Being Caused By Weather Manipulation.
Published on Mar 15, 2015There is a massive ongoing four year long drought in California. This video presents the evidence that it is being done on purpose, and the multiple reasons it would be done. Geoengineering is very real and you are seeing the massive implications of manipulating the weather right now in California. If you are not familiar with just how weather manipulation works take the time to watch the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPsjDjsgqRs
Engineered Drought Catastrophe, Target California
Published on Jul 23, 2014http://GeoengineeringWatch.org
https://www.facebook.com/dane.wigingt...
The western US is under an all out climate engineering assault, California most of all. The Weather Makers can shut the hydrological cycle off from the once "golden state" for as long as they wish. Satellite images and NOAA maps shown in this presentation are shocking and revealing to say the least. Whatever one wishes to consider as the agenda of those in power, one conclusion is certain, the drought in California is a direct result of the ongoing climate engineering insanity. Weather warfare is now being waged on the American population.
Dane Wigington
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYG5emdZp8
Nope.
Need some proof?
http://www.naturalnews.com/048147_geoengineering_global_warming_chemtrai...
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/why-are-chemtrails-being-digitally-added-...
http://allnewspipeline.com/Chemtrailing_Genocide_Of_The_Human_Race.php (watch the Kristen Meghan video. The pictures shown may be hoaxes)
http://www.naturalnews.com/045695_global_warming_fabricated_data_scienti...
http://www.zengardner.com/undeniable-footage-jet-aircraft-spraying/
https://www.intellihub.com/californias-engineered-drought/
http://climateviewer.com/geoengineering/
https://jhaines6a.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/air-force-bombshell-admits-th...
Plenty more where that came from. Interesting what one can learn when they read with an open mind...
Compliments on your display of enthusiasm.
Good job IV. Thanks for posting the geoengineering links. It is very important to wake people up and get the message out to them. They are spraying these chemicals all over the U.S. and throughout the world. These chemicals that they are spraying are not only harmful to the environment but to our health also. There is also a lot of evidence to support the health effects. I will post one of the links below. When they spray heavily in my area I get a metallic taste in my mouth and I start coughing and wheezing.
The link below is to Dane Wigington's web site. He is one of the main researchers on this topic and his web site has a wealth of information and numerous good links to other excellent sources of information.
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/
What Chemtrails Are Doing To Your Brain - Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock Reveals Shocking Facts.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3lW-TGGlk0
Chemtrails, Nanoaluminum and Neurodegenerative and Neurodevelopmental Effects
By Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.
The Internet is littered with stories of "chemtrails" and geoengineering to combat "global warming" and until recently I took these stories with a grain of salt. One of the main reasons for my skepticism was that I rarely saw what they were describing in the skies. But over the past several years I have notice a great number of these trails and I have to admit they are not like the contrails I grew up seeing in the skies. They are extensive, quite broad, are laid in a definite pattern and slowly evolve into artificial clouds. Of particular concern is that there are now so many dozens every day are littering the skies.
My major concern is that there is evidence that they are spraying tons of nanosized aluminum compounds. It has been demonstrated in the scientific and medical literature that nanosized particles are infinitely more reactive and induce intense inflammation in a number of tissues. Of special concern is the effect of these nanoparticles on the brain and spinal cord, as a growing list of neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer's dementia, Parkinson's disease and Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS) are strongly related to exposure to environmental aluminum.
Nanoparticles of aluminum are not only infinitely more inflammatory, they also easily penetrate the brain by a number of routes, including the blood and olfactory nerves (the smell nerves in the nose). Studies have shown that these particles pass along the olfactory neural tracts, which connect directly to the area of the brain that is not only most effected by Alzheimer's disease, but also the earliest affected in the course of the disease. It also has the highest level of brain aluminum in Alzheimer's cases.
The intranasal route of exposure makes spraying of massive amounts of nanoaluminum into the skies especially hazardous, as it will be inhaled by people of all ages, including babies and small children for many hours. We know that older people have the greatest reaction to this airborne aluminum. Because of the nanosizing of the aluminum particles being used, home filtering system will not remove the aluminum, thus prolonging exposure, even indoors.
In addition to inhaling nanoaluminum, such spraying will saturate the ground, water and vegetation with high levels of aluminum. Normally, aluminum is poorly absorbed from the GI tract, but nanoaluminum is absorbed in much higher amounts. This absorbed aluminum has been shown to be distributed to a number of organs and tissues including the brain and spinal cord. Inhaling this environmentally suspended nanoaluminum will also produce tremendous inflammatory reaction within the lungs, which will pose a significant hazard to children and adults with asthma and pulmonary diseases.
I pray that the pilots who are spraying this dangerous substance fully understand that they are destroying the life and health of their families as well. This is also true of our political officials. Once the soil, plants and water sources are heavily contaminated there will be no way to reverse the damage that has been done.
Steps need to be taken now to prevent an impending health disaster of enormous proportions if this project is not stopped immediately. Otherwise we will see an explosive increase in neurodegenerative diseases occurring in adults and the elderly in unprecedented rates as well as neurodevelopmental disorders in our children. We are already seeing a dramatic increase in these neurological disorders and it is occurring in younger people than ever before.
Nope.
Nope.
Very intelligent response. What evidence do you have to support this? Or is that the extent of your vocabulary? You must be a paid government troll!
<smiles> nope.
But by way of elaboration: On the one hand there is all that you say, which is absolutely correct within a certain context of your choosing. I will not even challenge all that you would contend because doing so is hopeless and naive. I bow to your complete grasp of your own world view. Accept my earnest apologies.
On the other hand, there is reality the destroyer of worlds and unwinder of complexities. And reality says to me: Nope.
Then you need to wake up cougar. Your reality is not of this world. Do your own research on this and you will find the truth. Unless you don't seek the truth. Like the old saying goes...the truth will set you free...but first it will piss you off!
You are absolutely right, my reality is not of that world. In this we are in total agreement.
Here have some of my fiction:
http://twoicefloes.com/your-turn/cougar_w-articles/the-corner-office/
Silver Stacker -- I call BS. Put up or shut up.
Tell us the EXACT LOCATION of where you are experiencing the coughing, wheezing and AL taste in your mouth. I have time. I will come over and see for myself.
mkkby - they are spraying all over the country...choose your location whenever they are spraying. Obviously you didn't take the time to open the links to review the volumes of evidence. You don't have to take my word for it, do your own research - or you shut up!
Cougar. Glad you are back. I havent read you since ebola.
<smiles> nope.
But by way of elaboration: On the one hand there is all that you say, which is absolutely correct within a certain context of your choosing. I will not even challenge all that you would contend because doing so is hopeless and naive. I bow to your complete grasp of your own world view. Accept my earnest apologies.
On the other hand, there is reality the destroyer of worlds and unwinder of complexities. And reality says to me: Nope."
Men plan......nature decides.
SS
The flights are probably drone flights.
The flights are probably drone flights.
You are correct carlnpa, some of them are drone flights. Some of them are also piloted. Some pilots have come forward as whistle blowers.
Water rights are property rights and while the government may confiscate private property for public use, it must pay fair market value. Given that water in a drought is quite valuable, smart farmers should push the state legislature to pass a law that makes water leasing a beneficial use during this drought and lease the water to the state and take a nice vacation. If it comes down to water for cities vs water for almonds, the farmers will lose. Be smart - capitalize on this opportunity.
Yes, but it was a man's law. The nature doesn't care much about those...
Look VERY closely at that chart again.
Even though you have BIG spikes in the Rainy Season....you don't have that many MIDRANGE spikes or for very long periods of time.
But even on the milder drought periods you have A LOT more mid range droughts for longer periods of time.
And yet.....even more people tap into the system. Particularly when you import HALF of Mexico into your state.
There was a reason this land was sparsely populated for 10,000 years. IT'S A FUCKING DESERT !!!!
Maybe the state should stop watering the lawn of their public buildings. But then again, I think all of those elitist types and politicians, pushing agenda 21 and global climate change should fly commercial and turn off the military use of so called fossil fuel energy.
But here we start seeing the several real purposes of the engineered drought: more conflict between people, pressure on the food supply and forced relocation.
Government buildings are modern moments to the gods. The landscaping must remain green.
Government people, the ones after the God, above.
See link for picture of Calif State Capitol.
https://www.google.com/search?q=california+state+capitol+water+use&biw=1280&bih=878&tbm=isch&imgil=WVEmTJ4n0nIySM%253A%253BO0tRLVsGQHJwEM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.bakersfieldnow.com%25252Fnews%25252Flocal%25252FCalifornia-water-use-rises-amid-crippling-drought-267210081.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=WVEmTJ4n0nIySM%253A%252CO0tRLVsGQHJwEM%252C_&usg=__edX36-3MU8LYJSGioDnG6v1rtyU%3D&ved=0CC8QyjdqFQoTCMmp96qN48YCFQ8PkgodrdkJ6A&ei=5HKpVcmnGY-eyASts6fADg#imgrc=WVEmTJ4n0nIySM%3A&usg=__edX36-3MU8LYJSGioDnG6v1rtyU%3D
Notice the brown lawn?
Walking around my town, seeing everything dead and dust, it's really sobering. You start to get a feel for where all this could be headed. I sympathize for the farmers -- and dare I say, they are feeding many of us -- but you can't "print water". Everyone is going to have to man up and deal with their loses. When real people (not these fake corporate "people" demanding their "rights") start to suffer and die a lot of this "but but but my rights!" is going to look ill-mannered to say the least.
Move dumb ass make your own luck.
Was I complaining? Where I am now is better than most. But it's still a wake-up.
That's all very well being public property. What does the Mayor's garden look like along with all the other public official's lawns?
I recently brought some in-laws that were visiting California from Singapore on a road trip down south because they wanted to see Hearst Castle, which is run by the State of California. When we got there, there were rows and rows of porta-potties, with signs at the restrooms inside saying, "Ordered shut by the Governor due to the drought". One of the highlights of the tours of Hearst Castle, to me, has always been the outdoor pool, called the Neptune Pool. Well, that pool was drained, making it look like the pool from a Motel 6. The reason? The governor and the drought.
What was most irritating, however, was talking to a gentleman ho worked at the State prison down by San Luis Obispo (about half an hour to an hour away) who was visiting Hearst Castle and the surrounding area with his in-laws. He said that a State Park just up the road from Hearst Castle, it was business as usual at the restrooms, with running water. And he said at the prison, the prisoners routinely just flush as many times as they can, just to waste the water, and not a peep about it from the prison administrators.
As for the small mom-and-pop farmers, there really aren't too many of them around. Most of the almond farms are owned by big corporations and they ship most of their crop to Asia for big bucks. And while everyone else gets mandatory cuts, Jerry let Big Ag slide, ostensibly because of the impact on California's economy, but really because he gets big political donations from Ag.
As so many posters here rightfully say.....follow the money.
the rule of law
One by one they realize that's not anymore what it was meant to be...
Yee Haw, the Age of Obama! Laws are more like guidelines. Pray that we don't alter these guidelines further serfs!
Obama will be gone shortly. But I don't think anything else is going to change after he is. And that's the danger in saying "but this guy" when it's not a guy, but a system, that needs to change. You'll go one election to the next and nothing changes, you keep bitching about "but this guy" and eventually people are going to wonder what actual planet you are from.
You're right. Obama has simply raised (or lowered depending on your point of view) the bar for the next poseur in the White House.
Point.
Race to the bottom.
It seriously is time for some of those farm families to explore their options in other locations. I think I see some opportunity right here for some dedicated, intelligent farmers.
Just stay away from Florida. We already have enough statists from New York,we don't
need them from the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.
And don't overlook the Venezuelans who fled because of Chavez and his socialism then vote for progressives here. I worked with a few of them several years back and asked why they expected socialism to work here when it didn't work there. Crickets. I suggested that, if they really thought it was Chavez and not socialism in general, they should go back to Venezuela and fight. They're all still here. Indeed, most of the Latin immigrants I've known are statists fleeing their own disfunctional countries and expecting statism to work better here. (This doesn't include the older Cubans, the ones who left after Castro gained control. This demographic still prefers personal liberty over statism in my experience.)
Between statists from New York, half of Cuba in the South, 3rd world hell in Orlando, and a Teabagger Medicaid fraudster as Gov., Florida is Quantum Physically fucked.
Stay away for your own good.
Yeah all we need to do is find another continent rich in rainfall and natural aquafers. Oh I know ... on another planet.
Otherwise I have no idea what you are talking about.
Yup don't water the crops so we can eat but make sure the State House lawn stays nice and green.
Stupid liberal cunts...
They are manufacturing a food shortage.
Buy food and water or go to Hilary's fun camp for a free meal.
They may lock the gate, but it's for your protection.
See you on movie night by the pool?
Just across from the organ harvesting crafts center.
Nope.
Nope.
Fuck off government troll!
Software engineer, scientist, writer, entrepreneur, man of adventure. Wouldn't work for the government on a bet.
We call what you just did framing. Framing is one of the core precepts of propaganda. Welcome to the school of the benders of the universe, old enemies of mine. With practice you may go far. If you go far enough then perhaps we will meet again on the other side.
Cougar you are a real trip. You like playing word games. All I'm trying to do is get the truth out to people about something that is dangerous to their health and the environment. My only intent is to help innocent people. What is your intent? I am not just speaking facts from research, but also from first hand experience.
SS, don't waste your time with people who have already made their minds up based on their preconceived beliefs. I work with people who won't even admit to themselves what we are seeing directly in our lab is happening, and I just gave up on them. Isn't worth the time and effort.
Some people's identity is tied into what they believe, and when you show them the truth they take it as a personal attack on themselves, or they go into la-la land and just deny the obvious even when it is in their face.
I don't know what Cougar's issue is, but I bet he won't even take the time to read any of the links I pasted because he already believes he knows the answer. It is people like that who can't even entertain the idea that they might be wrong who always get shorted in the end. My prediction: in a couple years, when all this shit blows up, he will be eating his fur.
As for the people I work with who won't entertain the idea what is killing our fish is geoengineering, I think they have an underlying belief that no one could ever be that evil. They just can't grasp it. That decade of operant conditioning of saluting the flag first thing in the morning in class fucks over a whole lot of good people.
SS, don't waste your time with people who have already made their minds up based on their preconceived beliefs. I work with people who won't even admit to themselves what we are seeing directly in our lab is happening, and I just gave up on them. Isn't worth the time and effort.
Thanks for taking the time to write back to me. I can see we are both on the same page. You are absolutely right about not wasting our time on people who have their minds made up because of their preconceived beliefs. But it is frustrating as hell when you are trying to help people that you care about and they just don't get it. I agree that they do take it as a personal attack when you try to show them the truth. The fact is that we all have been brainwashed by the government controlled media and it's hard to wake people up to the fact that their belief system is all predicated on lies. It's like they are still asleep and we are awake. I mainly try to wake people up to the coming financial collapse so they can prepare. But you are riight, it is almost an impossible task. I am learining when to back off. I have read where many other on our position have lost family members and friends in the process. But it is hard to sit back and watch people be destroyed when you know what is coming. I wish we could find a way to communicate off line but I'm not sure how to arrange it. As far as cougar goes, I think I understand where he is coming from now because I have also done studying in the realmhe is speaking of.
An actual compliment. Thank you.
And I do envy your enthusiasm.
I will now propose something that you might not immediately appreciate. Take it as given for now, for later use at need:
You have the right idea, however the truth you sense is not to be apprehended from the research you are engaged in. In that direction is the madness of belief, with belief being the foundation of the entire human world. The human world is the problem here, not you and not myself, because the human world is a fiction, entirely made up, and everything you can casually imagine about "your world" is part of that illusion. I'm sorry, but nothing you believe is real. Nothing at all. It has not been real since you set aside childhood, being the last time your naked brain was hungry for reality. What you think you know now is all at best a reflection of what all other adult humans are thinking and saying at the time, which most of the time is our peculiar, unique and furious madness. There is no truth in madness. The truth is not in the mirror into which you peer, but behind it. When you were a child you still knew this.
Children are like cats in that they see only what is there, and not the reflections of things, and not their shadows, and not their names. Names are by far the worst, God help us for naming things. Stop seeing names and labels, it's a good start. Children and cats, a good start. Regarding the latter it is not easy being a cat. But you do see some very interesting things.
Be careful. Good luck.
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OK, I can work with that. I agree with some of what you wrote; hell, I'm the guy who recently posted referencing Castenada, Gurdjieff and Ouspensky among others.
I worked with a shaman by the name of Jose Stevens. Yes, I believe (there's that word again) that BELIEF can be a hindrance, when not undertaken with proper KNOWLEDGE.
I spend so much time on this particular issue not only because I this is what I do for a living, but because I see it as a linchpin issue, one that if one can see it for what it is, allows them to see other UNrealities - such as GMO foods; vaccines; etc. Being able to spot one lie helps one to begin to question what they really believe, and to learn to look at reality differently. From there, once people learn not to be a slave to their beliefs, then true learning begins...and that means: even in THIS, I might be wrong.
...but I don't think so ;-)
**leans down, grabs a pinch of sand, tosses it over his shoulder in greeting**
p.s. just read this - mirrors some of what you wrote above: http://www.reclaimyourempoweredself.com/2015/07/the-new-world-order-will...
Cougar I know where you are coming from now, sorry about lashing out at you, I thought you were just trying to give me a hard time. I have done a lot of studying in the spiritual realm and what you are saying is not new to me. I don't want to go into detail here because this is not the proper forum for this discussion and it will totally freak people out. I used to do my spiritual work full time until I found out thru this work that a financial collapse was coming. I had to get my head out of the clouds and come back to earth to prepare for what is coming. I did bookmark your web page and I will come back to check it out later.
Stop pumping is stop eating. Not only in CA.
Running out of water is not drinking. Guess which one kills you first.
We can farm with less water, and farm things that are more exactly food. But doing either costs money. And costs cut into profits. A lot of these guys complaining about their "rights" are greedy, lazy don't-tread-on-me elitist fucks descended from 100 years of fucks. I grew up around them. They are generally hated mo'fo's. Waited like vultures for smaller family farms to have money problems or foreclose, and then sucked them up for their water rights alone. Now these "farmers" are in reality huge corporations hiring illegals at $20 a day. Fucking vampires. They should die. And they will die because all they have working for them is crony capitalist shit and TheFed but their partners and captive regulators can't print water.
... these guys complaining about their "rights" are greedy, lazy don't-tread-on-me elitist fucks ...
Stereotype much?
The world has become Calvinball.
If you own a home and live in California get that biatch on the market and GTFO before real estate collapses. If your making enough money to justify being in that socialist hellhole then at least rent rather than own. If you don't capture the value in your overpriced real estate now you will be sorry.
That horse has bolted.
Very possible, they have had plenty of time.
I have seven acres with two water wells in a pretty good location inside city limits. I'll sell for a fraction of the price they are used to.
Besides that, there is reclaimed land on a nearby lignite strip mine. The Texas Railroad Commission and the federal government require the power company to manage the soil characteristics and fertility for about 15 to 30 years. You can't borrow money to build on it, but it may be some of the better ag land around here for row cropping. There is probably a way to lease that land for an advantageous price (for all parties). Right now, most of that land is going into pine plantations or coastal bermuda hay fields. Peaches, plums, and pears might do well out there. As far as row crops go, if a farmer can't grow cucumbers, tomatoes, squash, beans, peppers, peas, and watermelons in East Texas, it is time to try something less useful -- such as banking.
To top it all off, we have honeybees and an active beekeepers association.
Some parts of CA, yes. The south, absolutely. Godamned nightmare shaping up in the south state. I'd be on my out at a loss right now.
I'm living in the north state. Water situation is dire, but we can count on drinking for now. The south, not so much.
You guys, get your asses out. Take the loss, just do it. If you are a coder you can work in the Bay Area tomorrow. I am not shitting you. If you are not a coder take some onlne classes, they'll hire you around here if you can fog a mirror.
Just get the fuck out. I am not joking. No sarc tag no anything. Get out.
A guy down the street from me (eastern LA county) just sold his house for the biggest price ever. Surpassing the '08 highs. There is absolutely no sign of weakening in the so cal housing market. None.
They need an excuse for the coming food inflation and there it is ... You have to think like a sociopath to understand the motive . They know the economic numbers are terrible and they know people most likely are hoarding dollars, what better way to extract more of your hard earned money than to create a food crises and jack up the prices x2 ...centralization bitches.
During the Great Depression they burned crops and spread milk out in fields to support prices. This time around, they are simply turning off the water.
The irony I noticed most was, driving through the desert from Yuma AZ, out through El Centro three weeks ago, through thousands of acres of lush green water intensive alphalfa. But, of course, dressage is the Sport of Kings, kind of like golf, I guess.
Then, up through Bakersfield, still alphalfa, and some ethanol corn, but many more brown fields. Another contrast, after leaving Central Cal, which is Sacramento and the Bay Area, going north, the fields turned to rice,
orchards and got lush green again.
As a fifth generation Californian, the old adage passed down still rings true. Water is Political. As it has been since the founding of this State, along with the "Miners Inches" and other water rights
Humm, maybe instead of a High Speed Rail, we need a pipeline running from BC to Mexico, with meters along it, open to the high bidder? Pay enough for it and it won't be wasted. Get miss-allocation experts like governments out of it, and roll profits back into constantly improving the system. Might help alleviate floods in the Northwest and green up the Southwest a bit?
"maybe instead of a High Speed Rail, we need a pipeline running from BC to Mexico"
I read a lot.
One night I stumbled into way more than I had bargained for. I stumbled into some stories about exactly that, a pipeline from BC to Mexico, and how x members and current members of the BC gov had created a company and gave ALL the water rights to the one company to export water south at very inflated prices, as I kept reading and searching more info about this topic it expanded to having the primeminister of Canada involved in this scam as well as the Queen and the Vatican. There were several murders involved. I ended up reading for hours about this topic. All of what I read is out there in the internet.
My crackpot theory is to pump all the sewage from L.A. back up into the Mojave. Build plants to treat it. Use the gray water to grow crops in the Mojave. How many millions of gallons per hour of sewage does L.A. produce? Mr. Mullholland figured out how to pump water into L.A. so why not figure out how to pump it back out and use the waste water to turn the desert green?
While I lived in L.A. I worked with one of the men who helped maintain HVAC in the Century City complex. He said they were removing & evacuating 40,000 gallons a day in water vapor. Drive by CC on colder cloudy days in winter and the clouds of vapor from Century City HVAC look like cumulonimbus at street level. Multiply that by a thousand or so other gigantic skyscrapers and it's easy to understand why the old swamp-coolers that people once used to cool their houses are no longer effective. No dry air = no cooling effect of water vapor.
I used central A/C condensate to water plants during a lawn watering ban a few years ago. It was amazing how much water was coming out every hour. Rainwater collection systems are nice, but condensate is available when most needed.
So basically the government is trying to destroy crops and cause a shortage of food. For no reason? Obviously there's no global warming problem, no water problem (except for the inevitable problems government creates when it "manages" something), and no real world reason for things to be shit. There's no shortage of any goods, there is just a shortage of money for the 99% for no particular reason because jobs don't exist anymore for a growing number of people.
So why are we being starved to death?
BECAUSE YOU VOTED!
Seriously...Nancy Pelosi doesn't care what you pay for food...just so long as you know you would be STARVING without her "food stamps."
There is no water shortage in California. You live next to an Ocean for Christ's sake. Just start making a BILLION TO S OF SALT a year..and you'll have all the water you'll ever need.
For ten cents a TON I'm sure someone will buy your SALT.
Mmmkay?
Just die already you ignorant fool.
There is NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THE WORLD TO PAY FOR ALL THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NEEDED FOR LARGE SCALE DESALINATION FOR AN ENTIRE FUCKING REGION !!!
AND THEN....WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH ALL THAT EXCESS SALT? PUMP IT RIGHT BACK INTO THE OCEAN ! SMART.....REEEEAAALLL SMART !
OMG !!! THE STUPIDITY ON THIS SITE SOMETIMES !!!
Take each Kalifornia water regulator on a boat trip in the Pacific Ocean. Strap on concrete shoes. Throw them overboard. Listen to them gurgling about the lack of water.
So you don't think we should regulate water consumption during a dangerous drought? Otherwise your comment makes no sense.
Oh wait you mean "see there is all that water in the ocean"? So you are insane, I guess.
"I've made investments as a farmer based on the rule of law...Now, somebody's changing the law that we depend on."
ALL payments or assets from government are welfare--dependence. Roads, EBT, farm subsidies, water, etc.
There are no exceptions. None. Zero.
Something this farmer, and many others, are now learning the hard way.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Government, being nothing more than a criminal syndicate of theft and violence, can only produce poverty, misery, death , and lies.
The Government doesn't appear to be subsidizing land...which is too bad.
"Just sit on ye olde Porch and smoke Ceeegars all day." Sure beats working.
I'm sure wants fuel prices hit 25 bucks a gallon and a loaf of Wonderbread hits five bucks somebody will say SOMETHING.
Meanwhile "back on Ye Olde Porch...
Long wormsign. Muad'Dib 2016.
No, water for the farmers to grow food but the real question is how's the putting greens at Pebble Beach? Or Bel Air swimming pools. Yep what I thought.
That water is for Feinstein's lawn, you bitches!
Get out the guns and dynamite.
"One such study from University of Minnesota and Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute researchers showed the current drought is California's worst in at least 1,200 years." Oddly, these people do not mention that the same study showed that the 20th century was the wettest in those 1200 years too. These people just plain overbuilt as it turns out.
History of droughts? How about history of geo-engineering?
Yes I have a copy of that right here it's filed between "Mating Behavior of the Yeti" and "Leprechauns I Have Known".
How about history of geo-engineering?
You are right on AF! That's what this is all about!
They just need to hang on, let global warming stop the north Atlantic current, then a mini ice age, lots of water then, we will need to export and burn lots of coal because it will be frigging cold, the economy will take off and we can all retire rich in our McMansions from all the money we will make from our coal shares, another problem solved by nature......and dream fading into background.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/1130_051130_ice_age_2.html
We have way too many almond farms in CA, and rice farms in Yuba city region still pump tons water from Feather River.
It's crazy to watch. Although on the plus side a lot of that water ends up in the aquafer. Can't guess how much though.
Come on, El Nino!
The chart above is garbage, some made-up metrics, and no mention of the huge increase in demand over the last fifty years. Even with the drought, a little reasonableness by the rice and almond farmers, and things would be much better.
Expect the state to reach a fat cash settlement with the old water rights holders.
There need to be reasonable priorities set based on sunk costs and irreplaceable investments. TREES are not a one-season, grow-or-don't-grow crop. They take ten years to bring into production and remain producing for fifty. You can't just demand that they be allowed to die because of a temporary shortage. Furthermore, despite all the brouhaha about almonds being a very water-intensive crop, that's been shown to be somewhat deceptive based on how much of the plant is being taken as crop, how often.
The Californian climate is uniquely suited in the WORLD for growing almonds. They've driven other producers out of business due to their perfectly-adapted climate, and killing the almond trees now would mean shortages for the next twenty years. It's a question of, do you want to throw away twenty years of effort when you let these trees die? Or accept the loss of your annual vegetables, which can be planted and brought to market again in a single year, and can be grown in half the states in the Union and most of South America?. That SHOULD be a no-brainer.
Of course, the real no-brainer is, why do we need so many people in California? Isn't there somewhere else for the ones who aren't producing anything useful (like food) to go? Movies can be and are filmed all over the world these days. What exactly is the purpose of keeping all the star performers in one over-indulged hothouse of brainless beauties? And Silicon Valley? Is there really any GOOD reason why half the computer geeks in the country have to cram into one county on the edge of an effin' desert? Google, build your new campus in Nebraska! Don't worry, you won't be adrift in the endless seas of corn for long: your sous-chefs and latte-mixers will rapidly follow with all the amenities you've come to expect. Isn't it time for all you smart, progressive people to stop building castles in the air and come out into the REAL world to work?
Well that was fine, but just so you know, you do not seem to know much about Silicon Valley.
And Nebraska? No. Call me names if you want to. No
"The Californian climate is uniquely suited in the WORLD for growing almonds."
No, it isn't. Because we don't have water. Definition of climate: "the weather conditions prevailing in an area in general or over a long period." That includes rainfall. Almonds are originally from the Middle East, and the systems for watering them there are long-term ones, not like our "use it up" system.
We put other producers out of business - producers for whom raising nuts was their heritage - and you think that is a good thing? Maybe the Middle East wouldn't be such a basket case if we were buying some of their indigenous products, instead of destroying their economies by growing stuff here with water we can't spare.
"TREES are not a one-season, grow-or-don't-grow crop. They take ten years to bring into production and remain producing for fifty. You can't just demand that they be allowed to die because of a temporary shortage."
This does not appear to be a temporary shortage, by any means. It was also very predictable, if you look at drought charts. By your argument, any time there is a rainy patch someone can go out and take a whole bunch of water permanently hostage, by planting trees during that brief rainy time.
People, wake up from your torpor. This is one big Wall Street run Ponzi scheme disguised as water crises and praying on factual drought. Water right? Yes, poor farmers.
The fact is that there are few independent small to medium farmers left in CA and they are being killed as we speak by WS Hedge Funds speculators. Most others are all huge corporations.
Moreover those are not the biggest water right hogs, The cities of southern California are, owning almost all Sierra water shed. The public utilities are those who gauge ordinary Californians, hike rates for water, gas and electricity etc., under guise of the crisis.
Very sober view of water crisis ponzi scheme in California I found at:
https://sostratusworks.wordpress.com/2015/03/28/california-waterworld-of...
Alaska is on the coast like California, build a harbour in each, hire two hundred thousand ton tankers, fill with ice in Alaska, melted into pure drinking water by the time it reaches California.
There is not as much ice in Alaska as you probably think. It's a serious problem, too. Otherwise the idea is absolutely brilliant.
Although a longer journey, I hear the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) is becoming available. Moulans (sp) in Greenland too.
Can't be too picky about things like that.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just tow an iceberg?
Can't really say but reason tells me that to put such an infrastructure in place would be very, very expensive - like desalination it might require more resources than California has availabel to it.
Its not the water, its the crops.
The govt can prevent you from growing any crop (including only for personal use) based on case law going back to the 1930s - under the Commerce Clause. I don't agree with it but its precedent unless somehow the SCOTUS overrules it.
However- the govt should have a very hard time with water rights themselves - this has cases going well into the early 1800s and are treated similarly to property rights.
The way to solve it (for the govt) it to tell the almond farmer he may not plant almonds but can grow xxx, or yyy water conserving crop - basically prohibit any crops (like almonds, alfalfa, rice) or other water intensive crop from being grown in the state. --> that is the winning argument (the govt knows this) but they go for the easy part first - just challenge the rights themselves.
As El Nino now approached perhaps the stronget ever recorded, the fall or winter could see rains in California of Biblical proportions. The heat energy being released form Pacific Waters is off the charts in terms of past records. For a decade, the excess heat of a C)2 rich atmosphere has been abdorbed in the vast Pacific, with unusual trade wind patterns driving that warm water down into the depths. This ginat heat sink can now no longer hold this energy, and it is blowing it's way back to the surface where it will return much energy to the atmosphere, and create the mega El Nino that will visit mass floods unto a dry California. All this is certain, unless a rapid reversal of Pacific wind patterns happens, and happens very, very fast.
I am wondering how to trade this possible epic rain event. California is going to lose a lot of it's famous hill side million dollar listing Real Estate. Those on parched hill sides will suffer both loss and depreciation of equity. Were I on a hill side in Southern Califorina, I would be selling right now. a Nice high messa would look attractive. Go long sand bags, water pumps, a sheet rock.
It must be true!... El Nino is coming this winter... I read it on the internet!...
And another thing, people... Don't go baggin' on the farmer because he's angry about his water rights being violated...
It is not his fault that the population in California exploded to what it is today... In the middle of a desert no less... Too many people, not enough resources(unless we bring the resources in)...
I moved to California because of the weather, the beaches, the oceans etc. I am ready to move out of California if there are not enough resources to keep me here at a reasonable cost.
I side with the farmer on this one...
Another loss for insurance companies once the rain and mudslides hit. It will become so cloudly, solar power won't work at it's projected efficiency. Wind mills will keep exploding and wipe out the bird population.
Hindsight is 20/20. Why didn't they build new desalination plants instead of robbing taxpayers on bullshit global warming hoaxes?
Not "...tords", but "...tards". Regulatards.
Old contracts in California?
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Bad joke!
Ask the indigenous if any signed contract was respected!
If you lived in California seek urgently a bow, arrows and a donkey or camel to ensure their rights.
Perhaps a winchester.44 but it would not be politically correct these days ...
hehe.
Yes, but it was a man's law. The nature doesn't care much about those...
Just raise the taxes on the water and make sure every one of those farmers have a meter...
Feeling sorry for the farmer? It takes 5 gallons of water to make ONE almond. It's a very thirsty crop that is not native to a dry area like central CA, so of course the almond crop will be a casualty.