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Donald Trump The Demagogue

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

It’s not too interesting to say that Donald Trump is a nationalist and aspiring despot who is manipulating bourgeois resentment, nativism, and ignorance to feed his power lust. It’s uninteresting because it is obviously true. It’s so true that stating it sounds more like an observation than a criticism.

 

Lovers of freedom need to confront the views of a man with views like this. What’s more, of all the speeches I heard at FreedomFest, I learned more from this one than any other. I heard, for the first time in my life, what a modern iteration of a consistently statist but non-leftist outlook on politics sounds and feels like in our own time.

 

What’s distinct about Trumpism, and the tradition of thought it represents, is that it is non-leftist in its cultural and political outlook and yet still totalitarian in the sense that it seeks total control of society and economy and places no limits on state power. The left has long waged war on bourgeois institutions like family, church, and property. In contrast, right fascism has made its peace with all three. It (very wisely) seeks political strategies that call on the organic matter of the social structure and inspire masses of people to rally around the nation as a personified ideal in history, under the leadership of a great and highly accomplished man.

 

Trump believes himself to be that man.

 

– From Jeffrey Tucker’s absolutely brilliant, must read, Trumpism: The Ideology

The Huffington Post caused a bit of a media storm earlier today with its announcement that it would be covering Trump’s presidential campaign in the entertainment section. Here’s the announcement:

After watching and listening to Donald Trump since he announced his candidacy for president, we have decided we won’t report on Trump’s campaign as part of The Huffington Post’s political coverage. Instead, we will cover his campaign as part of our Entertainment section. Our reason is simple: Trump’s campaign is a sideshow. We won’t take the bait. If you are interested in what The Donald has to say, you’ll find it next to our stories on the Kardashians and The Bachelorette.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with this assessment. Trump may be a “joke” to people who see right through what he’s doing, but he’s no joke to his growing number of supporters. The Huffington Post would do far more good covering him religiously, while discrediting him every step of the way. Mocking him will only reflexively boost his support amongst an increasingly desperate and confused citizenry. As much as I wish he were a joke, he’s not. In fact, he’s very real and very dangerous.

Fortunately, Jeffrey Tucker at Liberty.me has penned a piece on Trump that is at the same time brilliant, incisive and necessary. He wrote the article on Trump I wish I had. If we are to ultimately choose liberty as opposed to Trump’s American brand of right-of-center statism, we much expose him for what he is in the context of history. Mocking him, ignoring him and hoping he just goes away silently into the night will not be enough.

Now here are some excerpts from Mr. Tucker’s excellent article: Trumpism: The Ideology

It’s not too interesting to say that Donald Trump is a nationalist and aspiring despot who is manipulating bourgeois resentment, nativism, and ignorance to feed his power lust. It’s uninteresting because it is obviously true. It’s so true that stating it sounds more like an observation than a criticism.

 

I just heard Trump speak live. It was an awesome experience, like an interwar séance of once-powerful dictators who inspired multitudes, drove countries into the ground, and died grim deaths.

 

The ideology is a 21st century version of right fascism — one of the most politically successful ideological strains of 20th century politics. Though hardly anyone talks about it today, we really should. It is still real. It exists. It is distinct. It is not going away. Trump has tapped into it, absorbing unto his own political ambitions every conceivable bourgeois resentment: race, class, sex, religion, economic. You would have to be hopelessly ignorant of modern history not to see the outlines and where they end up.

 

For now, Trump seems more like comedy than reality. I want to laugh about what he said, like reading a comic-book version of Franco, Mussolini, or Hitler. And truly I did laugh, as when he denounced the existence of tech support in India that serves American companies (“how can it be cheaper to call people there than here?” — as if he still thinks that long-distance charges apply).

 

Let’s hope this laughter doesn’t turn to tears.

 

Lovers of freedom need to confront the views of a man with views like this. What’s more, of all the speeches I heard at FreedomFest, I learned more from this one than any other. I heard, for the first time in my life, what a modern iteration of a consistently statist but non-leftist outlook on politics sounds and feels like in our own time. And I watched as most of the audience undulated between delight and disgust — with perhaps only 10% actually cheering his descent into vituperative anti-intellectualism. That was gratifying.

 

As of this writing, Trump is leading in the polls in the Republican field. He is hated by the media, which is a plus for the hoi polloi in the GOP. He says things he should not, which is also a plus for his supporters. He is brilliant at making belligerent noises rather than having worked out policy plans. He knows that real people don’t care about the details; they only want a strongman who shares their values. He makes fun of the intellectuals, of course, as all populists must do. Along with this penchant, Trump encourages a kind of nihilistic throwing out of rationality in favor of a trust in his own genius. And people respond, as we can see.

 

So, what does Trump actually believe? He does have a philosophy, though it takes a bit of insight and historical understanding to discern it. Of course race baiting is essential to the ideology, and there was plenty of that. When a Hispanic man asked a question, Trump interrupted him and asked if he had been sent by the Mexican government. He took it a step further, dividing blacks from Hispanics by inviting a black man to the microphone to tell how his own son was killed by an illegal immigrant.

 

Trump also tosses little bones to the Christian Right, enough to allow them to believe that he represents their interests. Yes, it’s implausible and hilarious. But the crowd who looks for this is easily won with winks and nudges, and those he did give. At the speech I heard, he railed against ISIS and its war against Christians, pointing out further than he is a Presbyterian and thus personally affected every time ISIS beheads a Christian. This entire section of his speech was structured to rally the nationalist Christian strain that was the bulwark of support for the last four Republican presidents.

 

But as much as racialist and religious resentment is part of his rhetorical apparatus, it is not his core. His core is about business, his own business and his acumen thereof. He is living proof that being a successful capitalist is no predictor of one’s appreciation for an actual free market (stealing not trading is more his style). It only implies a love of money and a longing for the power that comes with it. Trump has both.

 

In effect, he believes that he is running to be the CEO of the country — not just of the government (as Ross Perot once believed) but of the entire country. In this capacity, he believes that he will make deals with other countries that cause the U.S. to come out on top, whatever that could mean. He conjures up visions of himself or one of his associates sitting across the table from some Indian or Chinese leader and making wild demands that they will buy such and such amount of product else “we” won’t buy their product.

 

Yes, it’s bizarre. As Nick Gillespie said, he has a tenuous grasp on reality. Trade theory from hundreds of years plays no role in his thinking at all. To him, America is a homogenous unit, no different from his own business enterprise. With his run for president, he is really making a takeover bid, not just for another company to own but for an entire country to manage from the top down, under his proven and brilliant record of business negotiation, acquisition, and management.

 

What’s distinct about Trumpism, and the tradition of thought it represents, is that it is non-leftist in its cultural and political outlook and yet still totalitarian in the sense that it seeks total control of society and economy and places no limits on state power. The left has long waged war on bourgeois institutions like family, church, and property. In contrast, right fascism has made its peace with all three. It (very wisely) seeks political strategies that call on the organic matter of the social structure and inspire masses of people to rally around the nation as a personified ideal in history, under the leadership of a great and highly accomplished man.

 

Trump believes himself to be that man.

 

He sounds fresh, exciting, even thrilling, like a man with a plan and a complete disregard for the existing establishment and all its weakness and corruption. This is how strongmen take over countries. They say some true things, boldly, and conjure up visions of national greatness under their leadership. They’ve got the flags, the music, the hype, the hysteria, the resources, and they work to extract that thing in many people that seeks heroes and momentous struggles in which they can prove their greatness.

 

This is a dark history and I seriously doubt that Trump himself is aware of it. Instead, he just makes it up as he goes along, speaking from his gut. This penchant has always served him well. It cannot serve a whole nation well. Indeed, the very prospect is terrifying, and not just for the immigrant groups and imports he has chosen to scapegoat for all the country’s problems. It’s a disaster in waiting for everyone.

The main reason I chose to start this blog in the first place, was rooted in my deep fear of what might emerge after the current paradigm collapses. I have no doubt something very different is coming, I just desperately want that thing to be freedom, free markets and prosperity as opposed to the disaster that a $2 despot like Trump would bring. His ascension in the polls is very troubling, and makes me wonder whether the public will ultimately choose to rally behind some statist-demagogue wrapped in an American flag when things get bad enough, as opposed to something far more difficult: Liberty. I fear they may eventually choose someone like Donald Trump.

 

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Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:39 | 6325900 MedicalQuack
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Well....

"he has a tenuous grasp on reality"

There's the key and even made me like him a lot more.  We don't have that right now and have an administration that confuses the virtual world values with the real world..I said that over a year ago and we even get emails from the White House that use "junk science" numbers that nobody can predict, the White House shoots itself in the foot...

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/06/virtual-world-values-and-real-world-we.html

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:41 | 6325902 Atomizer
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Our US Afro-American nigger is in Political Relations trouble. /lol

 

"Im Obama" Thrift Shop Parody ~ Rucka Rucka Ali ...

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:42 | 6325910 Bear
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Thrump is a Foil plain and simple ... a really dangerous personage should he do a Perotesque third party candidacy. I think he was in this from the get go as a lightning rod for the Clinton campaign, but as he is doing so well in the polls he might just get POTUS fever and run regardless of getting the nomination. 

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:47 | 6325920 Oldwood
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This really is the Matrix.

Nothing is what it seems,

but tomorrow everything will be as right as rain....

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:54 | 6325939 Bear
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The Martix was a glass house compared to this ... the campaign should be called The Opaquetix:

http://la.darkdining.com/

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:54 | 6325942 Philo Beddoe
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The establishment will be able to find dirt on this guy easier than emptying a vacuum cleaner bag. All the chicks he fucked while married, all the shady deals....you name it...it will nlikely not happen. If Jeb becomes his running mate I will reconsider this opinion. 

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:00 | 6326177 NoPension
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Philo, it's not like they haven't let loose a few salvos already. It won't matter.
Just like Obama. There could be video, and they wouldn't care with O.
Trump has the same force field.
Bankruptcy...who cares.. He runs over 200 companies. Some WILL go bankrupt.
Funny hair. Really?
He's a demagogue. They all are.
He's .... Oh... RACIST! Piss off. We all are. It's in our DNA. Fuck off.

And last but not least.. He gets under their skin. And I love that. I might even get a bumper sticker, and search out Priuses, get in front, and slow down.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:58 | 6325962 epicurious
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Perhaps we could find a worse candidate, but this guy seems like he could really fuck things up faster than they are going to pot now.  The faster we get through this period of utter oblivious unaware pathetic deterioration the sooner it will be time to clean up the mess with a newer and brighter world.  SO give it a shot meatball!

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:19 | 6326216 Oldwood
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Presidents can't do a lot unless they have legislation behind them, and that could be Trumps folly if he were to be elected. The key though is to get popular support. Over the last few decades this popular support has been faked by over amplified special interest groups who make lots of noise and have a camera in their faces. if someone like Trump could actually stimulate his "silent" or more accurately intimidated, public, he might then be able to push congress in his direction. Ultimately public pressure is what drives policy and for decades the majority has remained silent. Hell, most don't even vote (I know many here prescribe to this) due to frustration at its results. We must accept that it is OUR failure that we don't make our voices heard. Its tough as we will be attacked if we do...unless we want to declare our new sexual preference or some other "courageous" act.

Maybe, just maybe, Trump can give a few of us a backbone...even if it is to oppose him.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:14 | 6326309 Bazza McKenzie
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You reckon "Presidents can't do a lot unless they have legislation behind them".  That used to be the theory but it hasn't constrained Obama at all with his executive orders and interpreting legislation to mean whatever he thinks it should be (rubber stamped by the Supreme Court) while the Repubs with majorities in both houses of Congress roll over for him.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:43 | 6325913 hgthompson8
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Give me Trump any day......

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:49 | 6325924 Chad_the_short_...
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I am all for Trump when compared to the other puppet prostitutes we KNOW FOR A FACT are simply that....... puppet prostitutes. At least with Trump SOME things will get better, or less worse. And because he stands behind the American flag makes him a bad candidate? Umm....... Maybe he truly does love this once great nation and would like to get it in the right direction? Jeb Bush is a blowhard zionist puppet so fuck him and Hillary? No comment on that cunt. Trump? Why not? Fuck it. Would be entertaining too. His hot head would probably go after the media and fight back instead of laying down like a little fucking cowardly pussy like the rest have.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:51 | 6325933 MATA HAIRY
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shove trump up their rump in 2016

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:55 | 6325937 Chad_the_short_...
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When someone attacks Trump, he fires back. We know the ziomedia will attack him endlessly and the ADL's and AIPAC's. So maybe, just maybe he'd stand up? Reagon was an actor and a football player before he became president. I know a lot has happened in this melting pot country from that time but who doesn't think USA was a billion times better when Reagon was president?

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:25 | 6326084 Bangin7GramRocks
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Ronnie was the biggest cunt puppet of them all. He did "act" like a leader and that is enough for Merica!

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:10 | 6326305 Bazza McKenzie
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You've been bangin a few too many of those 7 gram rocks.

Reagan bloodlessly destroyed the Soviet Union through rearming the US, something all the talking heads at the time said couldn't be done because the Soviet Union was going to destroy America.  That removed the threat of nuclear war that had most people petrified in the 70s and 80s (even more than the fake AGW drama today).

Since he took America on a successful path that all the leftist scum and RINOs said was impossible, that actually displays real leadership, not any act.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:56 | 6325951 Jack D. Ripper
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Wow! I didn't know that Mike Krieger was funded by Goldman Sachs. Live and learn ...

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:57 | 6325959 blown income
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I would vote Trump , or Rand ..Trump is telling it like it is..so does Rand...

 

But i'm not voting anymore ..Diebold already has the winner..

 

 

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:58 | 6325965 davidalan1
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no handlers, answers questions,  speaks to relative issues, no teleprompter or ropes for the press, sense of humour, speaks truth about the current state of affairs, calls a spade a spade (is that racist now)....

this is NOT to suggest that once in office he may become the biggest megalomanica--- oh wait

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 21:59 | 6325976 I Write Code
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Just spell his name right.

Or, tell me anyone who seems better.  None of the other "Republican" candidates.  Hildabeast?  Bernie?

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:01 | 6325982 Clowns on Acid
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Lost a lotta respect for Mike Krieger after this bullshit, lacking logic, stoopid feckin article.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:18 | 6326011 psychobilly
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"I'm the most militaristic person in the room."

--Trump

I don't vote (an activity best left to the lower intellectual and moral classes), but I'm with Ron Paul on this one.  Trump is one scary individual.  He's obviously a megalomaniac.  Anyone who supports him is either an authority-worshipping hand-licker type looking for a daddy-figure, or stupid and gullible.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:08 | 6326013 Evil Bugeyes
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Mike Krieger is a close friend of Obama. He sat with Michelle Obama at Obama's 2012 state of the union address.

http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2012/01/24/steve-jobs-widow-instagr...

Just because someone has a blog named "Liberty Blitzkrieg" doesn't mean that they actually support liberty.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:16 | 6326043 35 Whelen
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Strange, as soon as I read "has a blog named Liberty Blitzkrieg" I completely discounted the rant.  Interesting that my gut reaction was the correct reaction.

 

 

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:48 | 6326133 palmereldritch
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OMG Dude is so modest he doesn't even mention the fact that he founded Instagram...or that he was born in Brazil...worked at Lehman Brothers at the age of 14 or that he had substantial facial reconstructive surgery so he no longer looks the same

http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/about-2/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Krieger

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:21 | 6326320 Tejano
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That's as may be, but his heart's in the right place, poor guy. Post paradigm collapse, says Mr. Krieger, "I just desperately want that thing to be freedom, free markets and prosperity...". Ahem! - as in rainbows and unicorns shittin' skittles and good times all around?

Not likely, Mike.

You might want to prepare to hunker down.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:33 | 6326331 Mute Button
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This little bitch was born in 1986? No wonder he doesn't have anything to say.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:11 | 6326025 williambanzai7
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Trump is the least of our problems.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:25 | 6326071 Yen Cross
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 I agree Billy. The root is much deeper than the Trumpffle (truffle)

  Trumph really isn't that educated, when you question him about the markets and political issues.

 He delegates people to do his "homework" for him, and report back.

 I'm going to give you an example; Trump, was interviewed on Fox News last night, by Sean Hannity.

 When Hannity asked how the country could be more secure from "attacks", Trump replied.

 Trump: "We need to give police more control, and also increase surveillance to stop these people."

 The WHOLE reason WE have these problems, is because we poke our noses, in places they don't belong.

 Trump either has NO concept of reality, or he's just un-informed, and needs to get off his ass and do some homework, HIMSELF!

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:02 | 6326185 NoPension
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But Obama was ready for prime time?
That's a cheap shot, I admit. But NO ONE is "ready" for that job.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:16 | 6326312 Yen Cross
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   What job exactly? Chief negotiator for "special interests"?

 I agree NoPension. We've relegated ourselves to a "dip-shit" Doritos society.

  Obungler= The Capitalization mutilator/

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:39 | 6326707 Hyjinx
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Newsflash Yen: Islamic terrorism is very, very old and not going away.  "Poking our noses" isn't the problem.  Where did France "poke their nose" to earn so much jihadist violence?  Wake the fuck up.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:12 | 6326027 Atomizer
Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:16 | 6326041 Surging Chaos
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I can understand why Trump is gaining so much popularity. People want a breath of fresh air from all the career politicans. There is a critical mass building up from all the years of failed elections, promises, and politicians. People want to see change (wait a minute...).

But at the end of the day, he is not a libertarian. He is not what the liberty movement needs. He has advocated for many anti-libertarian positions, such as assault weapon bans, universal healthcare (granted this was back in the 90s before Obamacare), and consumer-killing tariffs in the name of protectionism. Shit, we've seen him hang out with Billary in the past. What's to say those skeletons won't come back out of the closet or he won't be corrupted by "the Ring" if he actually gets into the White House. I don't see Trump as the guy who is willing to let people live their lives freely. He is a guy that believes he has all the answers and leverages this to his advantage by harnessing a person's natural instict to be lead by someone. That is not the libertarian way at all. Not what most of us and this site believe in.

I don't care if I get downvotes from the Trump circlejerk, but I figure I'd put my two cents in on this.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:47 | 6326146 DonFromWyoming
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Nope, DJT is "not libertarian".  So what?  None of the other GOP wannabees are either, with the possible exception of Rand Paul who has exactly ZERO chance of being nominated because the GOP establishment will do anything, including nominating Donald Trump, to make sure Rand Paul is never Pres or Veep.  Face it - the "liberty movement" in the USSA is of no consequence -- yes there are a few liberty lovers here and there, but there will not be a "libertarian" President of the USSA this century.  The best we can hope for is for Trump to shake things up a bit.  Besides, I prefer watching Trump get off this plane instead of Air Force 1 - http://img.planespotters.net/photo/374000/original/N757AF-DJT-Operations-Boeing-757-200_PlanespottersNet_374799.jpg

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:16 | 6326045 LetsGetPhysical
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Full disclosure: I think The Donald is gigantic douche nozzle, BUT....
What he's said about immigration and H1b visas is 100% true. The American elite left, right and center is selling out the country in favor of cheap labor and cheap votes.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:35 | 6326118 NoPension
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If he were to do nothing other than stem the tide of illeagal immigration and h1b workers, that's enough for me.
It would not hurt some inner city Yutes to get on a bus and pick some veggies ( not cotton) or work in a chicken plant, hang some drywall or play with concrete.
I , while I do have a certain distaste for the ghetto, and it's inhabitants, hereby pledge my service teaching those youngsters these skills, if that fucking border were closed. God damn, I'm sick of fucking Hispanics. It's like living in Guatamala anymore. We need to instill those skills and work ethic in inner city kids. Then, we are all better off. Central and South America can solve their own problems, and stop sending them here. They have massively disrupted the fuck out of our country. And we better get a handle on it. They will lower the average. Press 1 for Spanish. Fuck you.
Is that racist? I don't care.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:10 | 6326676 yellowsub
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It's all about making the share holders money...

 

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:17 | 6326047 godiva chocolate
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Every candidate from BOTH parties spout the same garbage and lies that the Western media spews about Russia except Trump.  Everyone of them babble on about stopping the aggressor Putin/Russia, Putin trying to rebuld the USSR, Russia is communistic and we have to stop the spread of communism, Russia has no free speech, freedom or democracy like the US has blah blah blah.  Evey other candidate talks about taking a tough stand against the evil Russia with its savages and backwards people.  Trump is the only one who has offered a different stance on Russia - treat them as an equal and deal with them straight forward.  Additionally, he is going to address the immigration travesty that has destroyed the US.  For his unique stance on those 2 extremely important issues, he's got my vote.  Should another candidate emerge with a sane and honest view Russia and immigration, I will consider that candidate.  Until then - Trump has my vote.  m sick of the US media lies about Russia and am sick of the candidates regurgitating them.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:27 | 6326094 Chad_the_short_...
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Amen. I find it interesting that quite a few ZH's are for Trump, or at least willing to give him a shot. Why the fuck not?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:05 | 6326292 Bazza McKenzie
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Indeed he has said Ukraine is not the US's fight, if there is one.  In his Chicago speech and Q&A he stated explicitly it was a matter for Germany and Europe if they thought it important.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:19 | 6326056 PoasterToaster
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Tucker is an ass.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:19 | 6326058 gwar5
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Donald Trump is a better hack right now than the rest of them.

I like what he says because it's true, so what? Why hasn't anybody else brought up the truth before now? He is resonating because he is not intimidated by the MSM. The WH asshole wrapped in the ISIS flag is taking us to war at every turn so where's the beef? 

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:44 | 6326075 Renfield
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Mike? I'm not American so I only follow your elections from a distance. I watched a speech from Trump and an interview. He does good TV, I'll give him that. I thought the interview was kinda funny and the speech seemed OK. Lots of cheering. But Mike, as much as I usually enjoy your articles, honestly this article from Tucker that you posted sounds a bit - well - rabid. Not Trump. You. (Sorry, it's a bit unfair, but for these purposes I'll have to address Tucker as "you".)

As a foreigner, I read sometimes opinions on the candidates to learn more about them. I learned nothing about Trump from this article. All I heard was your wildly emphatic but completely unsupported opinion. For example:

<<It’s not too interesting to say that Donald Trump is a nationalist and aspiring despot who is manipulating bourgeois resentment, nativism, and ignorance to feed his power lust. It’s uninteresting because it is obviously true. It’s so true that stating it sounds more like an observation than a criticism.>>

No, that is neither observation NOR criticism. Nor is it 'obviously true', to someone who doesn't already think just like you. It's just a bunch of ad hominem opinion. I heard nothing from Trump on this, to form an opinion of the man. You, on the other hand, sound angry enough to be a little unbalanced.

<<I just heard Trump speak live. It was an awesome experience, like an interwar séance of once-powerful dictators who inspired multitudes, drove countries into the ground, and died grim deaths.>>

Wait, what? Again... grim deaths? Is Trump associated (in reality, not in your mind) with 'grim deaths'? Is Trump a 'dictator'? Did I miss some news somewhere or is this just an excursion into the nightmares in your head?

<<Lovers of freedom need to confront the views of a man with views like this. What’s more, of all the speeches I heard at FreedomFest, I learned more from this one than any other. I heard, for the first time in my life, what a modern iteration of a consistently statist but non-leftist outlook on politics sounds and feels like in our own time. And I watched as most of the audience undulated between delight and disgust — with perhaps only 10% actually cheering his descent into vituperative anti-intellectualism. That was gratifying.>>

Views like what? All I've heard so far is a bunch of adjectives, wildly stretched comparisons, and audience reactions (as perceived by you, anyway). No quotes. No facts. No deeds. Nothing. You've given me -- so far -- no "views" from Trump's mouth at all. Makes it a bit difficult to confront them, if I can't even hear them over yours.

<<So, what does Trump actually believe? He does have a philosophy, though it takes a bit of insight and historical understanding to discern it. Of course race baiting is essential to the ideology, and there was plenty of that. When a Hispanic man asked a question, Trump interrupted him and asked if he had been sent by the Mexican government. He took it a step further, dividing blacks from Hispanics by inviting a black man to the microphone to tell how his own son was killed by an illegal immigrant.>>

So, you're mad at him for baiting a questioner. OK, that may have been a little rude, but hardly in the realm of 'dictator', is it? And what was the question? Was there an answer? If so, what was it? Was it incorrect?

Then you're mad at him for letting a black guy speak? Is there some race you would have preferred? Would he have been better to put a white or hispanic or asian guy up there? A woman? What is your beef, exactly, with Trump asking a black guy to speak with him? Again, Mike... I realise someone else wrote the article, but you said it was the one you wished you had written... anyway, YOU sound like the guy with the problem so far. (I know, it's Tucker.)

<<Trump also tosses little bones to the Christian Right, enough to allow them to believe that he represents their interests. Yes, it’s implausible and hilarious. But the crowd who looks for this is easily won with winks and nudges, and those he did give. At the speech I heard, he railed against ISIS and its war against Christians, pointing out further than he is a Presbyterian and thus personally affected every time ISIS beheads a Christian. This entire section of his speech was structured to rally the nationalist Christian strain that was the bulwark of support for the last four Republican presidents.>>

Again, dude, you were obviously very offended by this and I sympathise, although having read what you wrote I have no idea why. Railing against ISIS is bad? Rallying nationalist Christians is bad? Rallying the bulwark of support for the last 4 Republican presidents is bad? So, is it bad if the Democrats rally the base of support that was the bulwark of the last 4 Dem presidents? Again, I get that you're mad. But I have no idea why, since you've given NO QUOTES WHATSOEVER or any SPECIFIC actions or behaviours, as EVIDENCE of what you're so offended at. You know, for those of us who were not personally viewing it, or did not have those same reactions.

<<In effect, he believes that he is running to be the CEO of the country — not just of the government (as Ross Perot once believed) but of the entire country. In this capacity, he believes that he will make deals with other countries that cause the U.S. to come out on top, whatever that could mean. He conjures up visions of himself or one of his associates sitting across the table from some Indian or Chinese leader and making wild demands that they will buy such and such amount of product else “we” won’t buy their product.>>

All this, you claim he believes -- but you don't actually quote him even once. So I have to tell you, your opinion is more and more suspect to me because it's all vehemence and no support. BTW, the US President & associates ("staff", I think) do make deals with other foreign heads from time to time. Occasionally, they do make demands. Sometimes, more than demands. You knew that, right?

<<What’s distinct about Trumpism, and the tradition of thought it represents, is that it is non-leftist in its cultural and political outlook and yet still totalitarian in the sense that it seeks total control of society and economy and places no limits on state power. The left has long waged war on bourgeois institutions like family, church, and property. In contrast, right fascism has made its peace with all three. It (very wisely) seeks political strategies that call on the organic matter of the social structure and inspire masses of people to rally around the nation as a personified ideal in history, under the leadership of a great and highly accomplished man.>>

Um, so yeah. Facism, according to you, does something "very wisely" and is therefore better than "trumpism" -- which is -- again, I'm not sure what. "Non-leftist" and "yet still totalitarian", seeking "total control of society and economy", placing "no limits on state power". (Actually, that still sounds like fascism to me, but whatever -- you seriously think outright Fascism has "made peace" with "family, church, and property"?? That there's anything "wise" about it? Holy cow.) For which you've given... ZERO... factual or quoted support. Trump says he wants no limits on state power? He said he wants total control? Exactly where are you getting this from?

<<This is a dark history and I seriously doubt that Trump himself is aware of it. Instead, he just makes it up as he goes along, speaking from his gut. This penchant has always served him well. It cannot serve a whole nation well. Indeed, the very prospect is terrifying, and not just for the immigrant groups and imports he has chosen to scapegoat for all the country’s problems. It’s a disaster in waiting for everyone.>>

Trump scapegoats immigrants? Really? Because I thought he was talking about illegal aliens -- who aren't necessarily 'immigrants', you know. But even so -- can you give some quotes to show the scapegoating? Show how what he says is incorrect? (Or totalitarian?) Because otherwise I might think you're just making all this up.

In short: I'm a foreigner, don't really know, can't vote anyway. But this article is quite hysterical and very poorly written. And I have to tell you, if Trump elicits this degree of emotional overreaction, then maybe he has something to say that is striking a nerve in some of his audience. It would be good to hear, later -- maybe over a cup of coffee, when everyone's calmed down -- just exactly, precisely, what all this hysteria is over. Starting with the actual words. (Who knows, maybe if I heard some actual horrifying quotations, maybe I'd get hysterical too.) Anyway, no quotes or evidence, nothing but foaming at the mouth ad hominem, is very poor journalism and unconvincing at best.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:16 | 6326313 acetinker
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Dear Renfield,

I posess niether your intellect, nor your gift of gab.

However, I am an American who has 'experienced', thankfully indirectly, The Donald.  He's been bankrupt more times than I've been laid- but more importantly, he's ruined more 'partners' by his schemes than I can even count.

He's a narcissistic, unrepentant media whore whose been paraded before the American public for what seems like forever.  He's famous for being famous, much like the Kardashians.

He's not stupid, but he is cunning.  He is the epitome of Cicero's 'enemy within';

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” As Paul Harvey used to say, "And that's the rest of the story." FYI
Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:57 | 6326359 Renfield
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Dear acetinker

At least you possess brevity! :-) Anyway, I got nothing for or against The Donald. I learned more about him from this comments section than from the article. (Low bar, since the article told me nothing -- but some of the comments quite informative.) I respect your opinion from experience, and I respect any American who at least tries to be informed about who's running -- or aspiring to run -- their country. And yes, I know that his corps have gone bankrupt more than once, more than twice, more than three times. I can't understand why anyone still invests with this guy, but hey what do I know. Politically, he seems to be doing something right these days.

It just bothers me when I see hysterical foaming at the mouth masquerading as journalism. Leads to garbage opinions and can incite hatred & violence by glorifying emotion over reasoned thinking.

Thanks for commenting and sharing your info. I appreciate comments that talk about direct experience, and give evidence. Lots of good stuff on this thread. As I am not an American, I usually try to refrain from comments on your candidates and elections. But articles such as this do get me annoyed! I have strong opinions on writing, and I think journalists should be held to a much higher standard than they are. When they fall short, they deserve evisceration.

Great quote, BTW.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:29 | 6326098 Bear
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I bid one no trump

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:31 | 6326104 shutupnsing
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I disagree completely. If you aren't strong enough to take on the media, you don't deserve to be President. He's the only one I've seen in the pack who is able to do that. He is the only one I see who doesn't bend his words to comply with PC. I see a man who fights for America. Trump-Carson!

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:33 | 6326110 Wahooo
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Wonder why Trump has magnetized so much vitriol from so many in such a short time? It's interesting. I find no such treatment of Hillary, Jeb or the Florida guy, sorry I don't recall his name. A Trump presidency would be interesting, as would a Trump independent party. I could handle it for four years compared to Hillary, Jeb or the Florida guy.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:46 | 6326145 acetinker
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

H L. Mencken
Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:04 | 6326187 NoPension
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Been there, done that, already.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:27 | 6326233 acetinker
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And we KEEP ON doing it!  I think I'll ask Headbanger if I can borrow his avatar.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:28 | 6326237 Coletrane
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youre about six years too late with THAT quote........

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:53 | 6326338 acetinker
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Another dumbazz who thinks O actually runs the country.  K.

It doesn't matter who gets elected, things will continually get worse until the empire finally, painfully, collapses.

I'm just venting at the cultists who think The Donald can 'save' them from their own stupidity.

Of ALL the candidates, my opinion-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRXHrWhIIyE
Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:54 | 6326153 Yen Cross
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 Trumpcoins.

 Here's the ticker for "shitcoins" .

 

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:51 | 6326159 foodstampbarry
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The more the establishment fears this guy, the more he IS my guy.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:50 | 6326160 Karaio
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Donald Trump, Clonton & Cia  + others candidates = Nero in Roma.

:-/


Fri, 07/17/2015 - 22:52 | 6326162 CHC
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Trump may very well be a despot.  He has tapped into a nerve of the American people.  Maybe one of the other Republicans running would be wise to pick up on a few of Trump's ideas and embrace them as his own.  I don't think Trump is the answer - but damn it - neither was this fucking maniac we have in the WH right now - Americans fell all oveer themselves to elect that sociopath/psychopath/narcissist.  Maybe the U.S. does need someone right now to shake things up.  What the U.S. doesn't need is the fucking status quo which is destroying this country.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:00 | 6326178 Omega_Man
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bla blah blah... so people make money from articles like this?

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:01 | 6326182 buzzsaw99
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the usa president is nothing, decides nothing, is irrelevant.

who run bartertown? the squid run bartertown.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:11 | 6326203 stormsailor
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anybody but a bush, or a clinton.  damn, carlin was right  garbage in garbage out   and i am going to exercise my right not to vote for two predetermined candidates.  the last 5 or 6 elections have been to vote against the known complete asshole for another asshole.  if i don't vote than it  is not my fault, if nobody else voted who would win.  well we have a tie for president with 0 popular vote. then when they "throw it to the house"  burn that to the ground.  then we might be enabled to have a rational political discussion.

 

right this very minute half-way around the world we are killing innocent people. and we are allowing that.  graham, mccain, obama, clinton etc. etc..................we are responsible you and i.  and voting will not change that. so we need to do whatever is necessary to change that.  we have become what we were warned about. a two party system, a pawn of the military-industrial complex. an animal on the corporate farm.

 

trump has my non-vote

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:14 | 6326205 NoWayJose
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At least Trump doesn't sound like the other Republi-clowns running for President. What Americans are really upset about is that the Republicans who were elected to Congress - running as conservatives - and having gotten a majority - have abandoned the conservative ideals and instead vote for Obama plans and Wall Street plans over what is good for the country. Trump is only viable because of the massive failure of McConnell and Boehner.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:14 | 6326207 red1chief
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Yes, something different is coming... A different brother, his name is Jeb.  Trump is only there to make the dumb brother look reasonable. Trump will be cast aside as soon as he is of no use in this regard.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:20 | 6326218 Coletrane
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damn that demagogue.....he sounds just "the people"....who does this guy think he is ?

 

 

doesnt he know HE is just supposed to tell the people how wrong they are ?

 

 

 

/sarc

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:22 | 6326225 Gnostech
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CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP

 

Nationalism will rise and we will make this country great again! Then we will see the rise of nationalism all across Evropa. Then: WWIII.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:27 | 6326235 godiva chocolate
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Why can't people cooperate and trade without homogenizing them?  Celebrate and encourage the differences in people instead of assimilation of all into one.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:26 | 6326230 Laddie
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The Donald: analysis by Dr Kevin MacDonald

We all rack our brains every day trying how to break through in a system that is completely stacked against us. How could it happen—a political movement that would ignite the imaginations of White America, depose the corrupt donor class in the Republican Party, and begin to really take the country back?

Right now, doing so is a huge uphill battle. The oppressive mainstream media environment is closed to obviously true messages that Whites have interests just like everybody else. Indeed, it is busy tearing down what’s left of traditional American culture. And despite the internet, the mainstream media, including outlets such as Fox News, continues to wield enormous power, and the vast majority of Americans, including educated Americans, accept its legitimacy and moral authority. Despite the First Amendment, we all know that there are a variety of very powerful social sanctions against anyone who contravenes the racial consensus.

Trump’s statements on the criminal tendencies and generally low functioning of Mexican and Central American immigrants have struck a chord with White America. And he certainly did not fall in my estimation when he attacked two prominent operatives of the Republican Party/Israel Lobby nexus hostile to his candidacy, Charles Krauthammer and Jonah Goldberg. Then there’s the Twitter incident: “I promise you that I’m much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz — I mean Jon Stewart @TheDailyShow,” tweeted Trump, adding, “Who, by the way, is totally overrated.” It is, of course, considered “anti-Semitic” to ever call attention to the fact that someone is Jewish because of the absolutely outrageous suggestion that the Jewish identity of someone like Stewart/Leibowitz might influence his opinions. As we all know, Jews are just like everybody else.

These are perhaps the first shots in what will become a raging conflagration between the Jewish media establishment and Trump if he continues to gain traction.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:27 | 6326234 Chris Dakota
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I told you a few days ago that it is 1935 all over again with very much the same aspects only much more dangerous.

None of this is an accident, I think the elites are at war as we speak with competing false flags and agendas.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 01:27 | 6326388 TeethVillage88s
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1935?

January 30 – In Nazi Germany the political independence of the federal states such as Prussia is effectively abolished by the "Law on Reich Governors" (Reichsstatthaltergesetz).

February 26 - Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler orders reinstatement of the air force, the Luftwaffe, in violation of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles.

March 16 – Adolf Hitler announces German re-armament in violation of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles.

May 21 – In Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler announces the reintroduction of conscription to the Wehrmacht in violation of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles.

September 15 – The Nuremberg Laws go into effect in Germany, removing citizenship from Jews.

October 2–October 3 – The Second Italo-Ethiopian War begins as General Emilio De Bono of Italy invades Ethiopia.

November 8 – A dozen labor leaders come together to announce the creation of the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO), an organization charged with pushing the cause for industrial unionism in North America.

December 12 - Lebensborn program in support of Nazi eugenics is founded by Heinrich Himmler in Germany.

December 27 – Mao Zedong issues the Wayaobu Manifesto, On Tactics Against Japanese Imperialism, calling for a National United Front against the Japanese invasion.

I skipped the entry on the New Deal and Social Security.

- Usually what they do is nonsensical like the 2008 Bailouts, TARP, LIRP/ZIRP, Bonuses and management fees for Bankers, Loans for everyone without any public Accounting... and then QE

- So if they really screw us again, I won't be able to tell is it is more of the same or the start of War, Capital Flying to Tax Havens

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:29 | 6326238 Laddie
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Howell Raines, former head editor of the New York Times, who lost his job over the Jayson Blair fraud. Writing in the Times Sunday July 12.
The Dream World of the Southern Republicans

Even more dramatic changes in voter attitudes will shift the region’s party balance, to the detriment of the Republicans. This won’t come about because current Republican voters and their elected officials now in office will somehow be converted, but because they will be overwhelmed by new voters in the burgeoning Hispanic and Asian communities, who will join the black minority. Over half of the nation’s 40 million blacks live in the South.

For the time being, however, a traveler through the South can’t help but notice that its affluent, suburban whites remain myopic about the obvious signs, like the multiracial families to be seen among Walmart shoppers on any given day in any shopping mall.

Houston and Dallas are among the 11 American cities with the largest Hispanic populations. Vibrant Vietnamese communities are all along the Gulf Coast. Major cities have Spanish-language advertising, and have or soon will have sleek Latino-oriented shopping centers, like the new one on the fashionable southern side of Birmingham. The Asian presence in the medical, academic and business communities is substantial and growing, perhaps most notably in Baton Rouge, where Bobby Jindal, the governor of Louisiana and presidential candidate (who is Asian-American, like Gov. Nikki R. Haley of South Carolina), works.

Judging from the laws they are passing, Southern Republicans seem untroubled by Mitt Romney’s 17 percent of the minority vote in the last presidential election. It seems an overstatement to say that Southern Republicans are in outright denial about the fact that whites will be a minority in America around 2043. It does seem fair to say that the national Republican Party is underreacting, and Southern Republicans seem to be especially resistant to appealing to their minority neighbors. …
The statistical evidence shouts otherwise. “Demography is destiny” …

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:44 | 6326257 Shirley Swanepoel
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Freedom? What a joke. People cannot handle freedom otherwise they would not select people who tell them how to live.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:47 | 6326264 Teknopagan
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Holier than thou articles written with a scalpel. The agenda....   What do terms Bourgeois and Fascist even really mean today?   Ever notice the Fasces on either side of the US Senate podium?  Perhaps they should vote to remove them.

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:49 | 6326268 PoasterToaster
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It really doesn't matter what "the public" wants in these matters, does it?

Fri, 07/17/2015 - 23:51 | 6326269 RabbitOne
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I would never vote for Trump he is too easy to see through. But I love that someone finally has the guts to shout back at the liberal machine...


Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:43 | 6326343 falconflight
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I feel exactly the same way.  I'd love to see him fluster the GOP all the way to the RNC.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 07:01 | 6326604 meterman
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But if Trump ends up as the candidate, you will vote for him - right? - Get real and let your true feeling out guys.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 07:26 | 6326629 FredFlintstone
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You like a little deception in your politicians?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:56 | 6326272 Joebloinvestor
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I would like to see Trump clean up a state as a governor or atty general first.

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:56 | 6326909 Ginsengbull
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So he's gets corrupted by the go-along to get-along system?

 

I would rather see a fresh perspective to fiduciary responsibility.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:02 | 6326283 RabbitOne
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What I liked about Reagan is he was not a whimp. Most republican candidates come off as whimp’s today that afraid of the liberal press (because the press might destroy their campaign before it gets going). Trump took the liberal press head on. This has turned a lot of heads who are looking for a leader with brass balls...

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:25 | 6326323 BendGuyhere
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Man you are really hung up on Trump. Your an intelligent guy, can't you see he's just the RODEO CLOWN?

He was drafted, just like 7 years ago, to warm up the increasingly indifferent crowd with some wild talk and a bad toupee.

E.g., he's as fake as a Caitlin orgasm. He was convinced to play the election rodeo clown 1) cause he loves doing it 2) cause the creaky, dying, cancer riddled political system of the USSA needs 'voters' to VALIDATE its existence. One of the main principles of satanic metaphysics is it NEEDS the consent of its VICTIMS. Chew on that one numbskull. SO, Trump is NOT, REPEAT NOT an actual candidate. He is the satanic warm up act for Hillary/Jebby/ or whatever sack of shit the controllers decide on. Over

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:40 | 6326339 falconflight
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So because Mr. Trump had the audacity to acknowledge a festering wound heaped upon the American public, that the DemPublican party contemptuously refuses to even acknowledge, makes Trump as nativist and demagogue?   The author should be awarded the next Mangina Prize.  

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:43 | 6326345 Fellow serf
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It doesn't matter who gets into the office. If things were going to change they would have had to change 50 years ago. This hole we have dug is too deep for anyone to get us out of now.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:55 | 6326364 jonjon831983
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Pyrrhic victory. Out of the fire into the frying pan.  That explains this article.

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 00:59 | 6326369 Chris Dakota
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Why have people forgotten that Jeb  was an original signer on the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) document that called for preemptive first strikes on nations to secure American hegemony for the next 100 yrs. It was said that a "New Pearl Harbor" was needed to get the public behind preemptive war.

founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan who is Victoria Nulands husband.

That was in 1997.

It was signed by mostly Jewish neocons and Jeb.

Deregulation was Bill Clinton, he even said when he signed it "This is a great day for America"

Hillary the butcher of Benghazi laughed when Gaddafi was street murdered complete with knife sodomy.

I'll take my chances with Trump.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 09:00 | 6326735 Fed-up with bei...
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Chris, I am often surprised at how few people know about that document, PNAC.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 01:16 | 6326377 Bazza McKenzie
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So far in actual Trump interviews, I have heard him say:

  • The US has done lousy trade deals (not just Obama) that have lead to huge vol of manufacturing jobs shipped offshore (China, Japan, Mexico, Korea) and he will roll that back so American firms can create decent jobs back home.
  • The country is being flooded with illegals, a disproportionate share of whom are criminals killing, stealing from, assaulting and raping Americans, and he'll reimpose real borders (you know, like most countries in the world have and the US used to).
  • Obamacare is a disaster for Americans and will be more so once the full requirements kick in in 2016 (after Obama has gone), and Trump would move to private health insurance (not single payer) where firms could compete across state borders (and implicitly without Fed govt imposed coverage conditions).
  • The US should not be involved in every conflict around the world (eg Ukraine) and it should not be giving arms to people who won't use them to fight for themselves (eg Shia in Iraq).
  • He respects Putin and could deal with him (i.e. Putin is not the devil as claimed by Obama and most US pols).
  • He'd destroy ISIS' oil fields (bombing) so it had little money and was forced to fight its local competitors from a weaker position.
  • The nuclear deal with Iran is incredibly incompetent, a deal for the sake of having a deal, and it gives Iran free rein to acquire nuclear weapons, some of which are ultimately likely to end up being used against the US, and he will overturn that deal if elected.
  • He will strengthen the US military but use it sparingly BUT you can only have a strong military if you are economically strong (linked to first point).
  • Hillary has been the worst US Sec of State EVER and would be a disaster as President.
  • Jeb Bush would be a weak President.

Note that all of these points condemn the Democrats but also many (trade, illegals, Putin, Ukraine, Bush) contradict the preferred position of establishment Repubs.  So Trump is clearly his own man.

Despite that we get clowns like Krieger and Tucker claiming Trump is a "nativist" (I think that's a disparaging word for patriot), anti-immigrant (despite the fact he has repeatedly said he values LEGAL immigrants, Mexicans and others, but will stop the illegals), fascist (despite all his comments being about government doing what government should, eg in trade deals and controlling the borders, while opening up conditions for private industry and private jobs).

I've also seen people here and elsewhere claim he is either a stalking horse for Clinton or for Bush, despite him repeatedly bagging both of them big time (if he's a friend of Bush or Clinton they sure don't need any enemies).

The fact is Trump wants to be President and wants to have a legacy as the President who made the US great (a statement he makes unashamedly - how many other candidates could say that?) again (after 7 terms of incompetent and destructive presidents) and he will fight for it and unlike almost everyone claiming to be a Repub he won't back down when attacked by the left.  In fact every time someone takes a punch at him he hits back harder (which some of them, like Bush, are starting to realise is not a winning strategy).

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:52 | 6326723 Hyjinx
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Liking him more and more - just want to hear him get specific on some things.  I really don't care if whatever he states is a flip-flop to what he has said in the past - as long as he's got it "right" now and there is a decent prospect he will stick to it.  Hope to hear him go after the bloated fed. bureacracy and regulation next.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 15:10 | 6327456 tangent
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Sounds like something every Republican I've ever known would say and agree with. So, I wonder what Trump was saying when he was hanging out with the Clintons... didn't he run as a Democrat too?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 01:24 | 6326386 Mini-Me
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Has anyone noticed that, despite there being a gaggle of presidential candidates, there isn't a single normal human being in the bunch?  All of them have an exaggerated opinion of their abilities, deem themselves worthy of micro-managing the lives of 320 million Americans, feel competent to run a world empire, initiate wars of aggression, centrally plan an economy, and generally make a nuisance of themselves.

It certainly would be refreshing to have a normal person in the mix.  You know, someone that doesn't lie like a rug, kill innocent people without a second thought, and holds the belief that he (or she) is subject to the same laws as everyone else.

I realize this is a fantasy, because no normal person would subject himself or his family to the meat-grinder of presidential politics.  So, by default, the field is left to the narcissists, pathological liars and outright psychopaths.  

Trump may be more entertaining than some of these other forgettable figures, but he is still a dangerous man.  The powers of the president are too dangerous for any man.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 07:58 | 6326662 grekko
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I'm still for Rand Paul.  Liberty over Sensationalism.  Liberty over Tyranny.  Liberty over MIC.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:58 | 6326731 Fed-up with bei...
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DO WE REALLY THINK that ANY ONE person, any elected rep, can fix this mess.  We are fucked.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:57 | 6326730 Fed-up with bei...
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Right on.  It is incredible.   I often tell my wife, "ONLY POLITICS will accept a JOKE like that.."  And, naturally, I am referring the very strange brew of screw-balls who run for political office.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:23 | 6326841 Ginsengbull
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They are all puppets.

 

The president draws attention away from those who wield the real power.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 01:40 | 6326396 ItsDanger
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Why is Trump cosnidered a joke and these other candidates are not?  Isnt Hillary's fake charity/bribe account a total joke?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 07:08 | 6326609 SmallerGovNow2
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We have a winner folks!  Bob tell him what he's won...  +100

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 02:10 | 6326435 scatha
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Only boycott has any political weight or visible expression in this corrupt system. Let them be elected by 10% of population then we could claim that their illegitimacy to rule and demand their departure from political realm. And neither Trump nor well-mannered Greens make any difference if they run or not.

As Stalin once said. It is not important who's being elected or
who votes for who.

What matters is who is counting the votes (Bush-Gore 2000,Bush-Kerry 2004). We should be counting votes if we want to win.

We could have easily and cheaply electronic ALTERNATIVE election for alternative political programs and ALTERNATIVE candidates (not millionaires,  never run for office and are unaffiliated with any political formation) who would commit to execute those political programs that can truly represent our political aspiration as a nation. Enough of popularity contests.

Digital elections, followed all web practically no cost campaign on YouTube or elsewhere, protected via secure block chain technology guaranteeing accuracy since everyone would be able to check whether his/her vote was counted up. At minimum it could be media event where Americans can voice they vision of America instead of sheeple fest.

The only choice we have for today is absolute boycott of elections as 150 millions of true American patriots are already doing and election after election vastly outnumbering electoral zombies of the American Oligarch Party in their inhumane march into poling/feeding stations to get their rotten meat and in the process to validate murder and mayhem done in our names.

For those who still think they can organize and win "their" election. Here is a gem. The fallacy of this sort of democracy is nowhere better illustrated than in case of Italy where for over 30 years after WWII Italian communist party alone or communist/socialist coalition WON EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL ELECTION and was never asked by president to form a government ,resulting in 39 minority governments all under watchful eye of American protectors of democracy and US navy.

Do you know who we’re dealing with here” An autocratic system disguised as democratic chaos, fake uncertainty or illusion of chance and propaganda of opportunity for all. As you see we might even win, one shot in a billion, in "their" elections but we would never get to rule without blood spilled in the streets.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 02:54 | 6326474 To Infinity And...
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You use Huffington Post as a reference? Seriously. What a douche bag!

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 02:56 | 6326477 damicol
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This fucking shite  stinks through and through.

It stinks  of some fucking arrogant sanctimonious cunt, who thinks he Is an intellectual.

News just for you Jeffrey Tucker Fucker, whatever your fucking name is.

Despite the fact he would never get invited to dinner by me, any one any where who fucks up the septic repulsive suppurating ball of shit the Clit on cow, is good.

But if he fucks up and lets that cunt in by default then  and only then would i look to be ripping his head off.

As long as he has  needles to stick in the clit cunts eyes, knives to slit her fucking belly and throat and stab her in the back, nails to hammer into her fucking evil skull and an iron boot to kick her in the cunt until she bleeds out and dies, then I would support even fucking ISIS if Trump wasn't up to it

 

 

 

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:20 | 6326839 Ginsengbull
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Much cussing, but you really didn't say anything.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:47 | 6326507 chubakka
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whats with the Trumpites around here?  dont you know he's a liberal progressive and is just telling you what you want to hear?  

He's a scumbag who's capable of destroying and old lady's house to build a fucking parking lot!  he has no conscience.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2015/07/09/pro-choice-pro-amnesty-pro-oprah-all...

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 03:54 | 6326523 enloe creek
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Let the people decide.  It is not like trump is going to get support in Congress or from the media so it is the Donald against the establishment.  Who has a lower rating congress lawyers the government terrorists.  The little people want someone on thier side and if trump can be that guy he will win and clean out a few nests of vipers. Do you want to be with us or against us. Will be his song. The people deserve a champion they will say. A few big shots will endorse him I think those on the right better watch how they treat him. If there is a martyr image of trump getting knifed in the back by some back from corporate America his popularity will soar. You think he is the Donald and all folksy by nature? He knows he needs the support of no one but the angry middle class voter becuase they are going to vote and vote heavy.  

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 05:35 | 6326564 rhf
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Trump is a successful megalomaniac, nothing more. But he's the "None of the Above" vote in the current polls. People are sick & tired of the status quo. In a free society, every ballot should have a "None of the Above" option. If the polls actually had a "None of the Above" option, Trump would be in the basement.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 06:54 | 6326598 meterman
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What a GREAT article. This could be the start of the Lefties "SCARED SH*TLESS" spewing of Trump clap trap. Bring it on! Your logicless ramblings only confirm that we "Trumpies" are on our way to "Reclaiming America".

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 07:20 | 6326619 exartizo
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or.... he's just a waaaaaay better alternative to all the political insiders?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 07:20 | 6326620 Sparkey
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Donald Trump, is an electable candidate, he seems to ,'genuinely', offer a break from the past, he is entertaining, Americans crave entertainment, Americans have an unwritten right to be entertained and to be proud of their country, President "The Donald", by behaving as a honest man,  should be able to fulfil both of those needs, America is still, to a largr part, a Christian Country, "The Donald" has been blessed by the Lord with a large fortune, if God loves him soo much, why shouldn't we?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 07:22 | 6326622 SmallerGovNow2
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Okay Mike, let's vote for Hitlary then.  What a fucked up article...

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 07:33 | 6326637 BeerMe
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Trump makes both sides nervous.  I like that.  Seemingly he isn't bought and paid for like the rest.  I like that.  He understands competition and sovereignty.  I like that.  Maybe some of the other cadidates should speak with some conviction.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 07:41 | 6326642 Calculus99
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Trump TV interviews (the recent ones) = PURE comedy gold.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:05 | 6326672 Dixie Flatline
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1 star

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:24 | 6326692 Usura
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This article proceeds from the mistaken assumption that American society can be fixed.  Even worse, that is can be fixed within the existing political system.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:52 | 6326724 Fed-up with bei...
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I SO TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, that is scares me.   The fact is that our political structure runs the country.  We need to run the business affairs, running the infrastructure separately from INFLUENCE mongerers;  we need foreign affairs run by those who understand our role as a Hegemon and whether that model is working;  we need to run our Trade by those who comprehend trade and barriers;   I just do not think that this political structure can function to a point that will ALLOW for the Country to operate!

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:50 | 6326720 MR166
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Trump, Cruz and Carson are the only candidates I will consider.  I would rather vote for a Democrat than a RINO.  At least the Democrats tell you what they stand for including Obama who told you everything he planned to do if you were listening.  Right now we have a one party system.  The Republican party needs to be reborn even if that means they must die first.  The only problem is I am not sure that the US as we know it will not die first.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 08:52 | 6326726 Monetas
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Of course presidential candidates have egos ..... what do you want .... elect a president by lottery .... from a pool of armchair loungers ?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 09:00 | 6326736 22winmag
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I believe we should make a typical laid-off Walmart greeter the next Commander in Chief.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 09:01 | 6326739 MR166
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I love the other irrational fear that the nation will suffer unless the president has a congress that likes him.  First of all if nothing gets done that is a BIG plus since we have too many laws as it is.  Secondly name one law that has been passed in the past 6 years that has benefited ALL Americans.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:00 | 6326801 jerry_theking_lawler
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Let's face it, all of the Rs and Ds suck. They are politicians....their job is to lie. It is the citizens job to not give them enough power so their lies will lead to other consequences.

What I do love is the shitshow Trump it putting on. He is speaking his mind and driving both sides of the msm crazy. I love this more than anything else. Let's get everyone pissed off, and maybe the real truth will come out.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:01 | 6326804 A Dollar Short
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The Left is tinkling down both legs.., but wait! what's that goey brown stuff back there?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:16 | 6326831 Ginsengbull
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The left is always referring to any opposition as fascists, nazis, or religious extremists.

 

Communists and socialists suck ass.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 11:58 | 6327045 meterman
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The Lefties don't know the true definition of "Fascist". They use the term in place of "Nazis" so they don't have to say that other unPC "N" word. Phonys all.

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:29 | 6326853 VisionQuest
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Is it a Freudian slip? Mike Krieger says, "The left has long waged war on bourgeois institutions like family, church, and property. In contrast, right fascism has made its peace with all three."

I have always despised the use of bourgeois to describe anything about culture in the U.S. Back in 1776 the Founders stayed as far away as they could get from using words like bourgeois to describe their plans. Then in the 1960's, Ramparts Magazine and the not-so-new Radical Left introduced Communist revolutionary jargon to a generation of activists in America. Citizens of this republc are not supposed to think of themselves or their institutiions as bourgeois.

It's an insult for Krieger to use the word in context with any argument for Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, American style.

And BTW, who cares what Trump does? Does anybody imagine Trump will get himself up in a garish military uniform and start acting like Mussolini or Kadaffi? Trump says things other politicians are too cowardly to say.

The threat of tyranny & oppression that is genuinely credible is the threat of unrestrained bureaucratic regulation and enforcement. This growing tyranny was recently demonstrated in the collusion between the IRS and local law enforcement officials in Wisconsin. IRS fed the locals the info they needed to storm-troop any lower eschelon worker in Scott Walker's organization. Wisconsin Supreme Court scotched the storm-troop shenanigans with a strongly worded court-order. Does anybody really believe a court-order will stop the Unfettered Anonymous Bureaucracy from doing whatever it takes to keep & expand bureaucratic power?

I'll believe we've got a shot at avoiding all-out civil war when I hear a credible candidate for the Presidency say, in no uncertain terms, that the primary objective of his-or-her presidency will be to make huge cuts in the influence of the FEDERAL b-u-r-e-a-u-c-r-a-c-y. Unless\until the bureaucratic status-quo is dramatically downsized, individual liberty and national sovereignty will burn down to a flash-point.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 11:49 | 6327023 MR166
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If anyone need a reason to disassemble the Republican party it's there total lack of action concerning the IRS scandal.  They did nothing because the IRS helped them keep the Tea Party under control.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:40 | 6326882 atomicwasted
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It's fun to see the Nazis out themselves in the comments!

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:52 | 6326904 BlussMann
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Glad you enjoy it, can't wait to put your kind in a boxcar headed for the coast.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 13:26 | 6327213 Chris Dakota
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funny that you still think that's a bad thing.

 

LOL and haha

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:44 | 6326890 kumquatsunite
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In case ya'll have missed it: 1. Those numbers on the "amount" spent on "education" per chld? Blatant lLIES...the money goes to translators and accomodation of foreign kids, who were ONCE Expected to learn English at home. It goes to accomodating every extreme disability no matter the cost. It goes for everythign your kids no longer get in school: no PE; no singing class, no art class, and teachers who retire at 50 and will Require multiple generations to support them in their golden parachute lives for years to come. Yet all the damage their Passing Along kids or letting them PASS OUT to failure will be paid for by society.

2. If I hear they just come here for a better life one more time!!! Your better life is over and so is your children's because you have discontinued this country. Seattle is no longer liveable; the crime is outrageous the traffic worse. Los Angeles is a hell hole of foreigners; the LA Times recently profiled a Chinese builder building his GIANT city-with-a-city in LA, you know, the one for Chinese only. California is now 20% white which for some reason is celebrated and considered an "achievement." Bad white people created a great state; worse white people destroyed it with immigration.

3. The US government employees are 20% African American but we oddly don't hear that figure cited in the Supreme Court affirmative action case. No. All that is heard is that every white must be assigned a non-white to scrutinize their every move and to "correct" them with a lawsuit and/or public whipping whenever whatever. 

4. Not a single pillar that created this country, heterosexual marriage, Christianity and its ethics, having a true large white majority exists any longer.

5. Even as Americans continue to die at the hands of muslims, we import more because the UN tells us we must. This even though the muslim sees all women as NOTHING. How many American bodies are required to prove we aren't "discriminating" against muslims? Odd Freud believed that the desire to live was the strongest emotion. How wrong he is proven; we Chose and embrace our own demise.

 

Good luck with that. You are going to need it.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 10:59 | 6326915 BlussMann
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Only so called "right fascism" , in some form, can save a nation. This f*d up continent is not a nation, just a collection of powerless white tax turnips that just might be begining to figure things out. Trump speaks some truth and the System trembles and howls. Trump needs to form a new right of center party and ditch the terminallly stupid Republicans.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 14:55 | 6327425 tangent
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Only economic liberty can save a nation in economic turmoil and only social liberty can save a nation in social peril.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 11:14 | 6326947 Shibumi2
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Anybody who remembers the ross perot fiasco...or later ron paul knows the election is a scam and only the puppets of the banksters will be elected

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 11:31 | 6326981 pupdog1
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Is Trump's hair a US citizen?

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 23:24 | 6327016 anachronism
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I can't avoid my disappointment that the message that Trump is conveying to America -very effectively- is being made by a self-promoting bombast. Ross Perot (I know! he was a bit of a kook.) and Pat Buchanan (a proud Goldwater Conservative) conveyed the same message. And that message resonated so well back in 1992 that Perot led in ALL political polls by the end of May, and Buchanan had won primaries in states as diverse as New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Mike Krieger and the greater majority of our countrymen fail to recognize that America has become an Orwellian fascist state without the help of anyone, whom they perjoratively dismiss as "nationalists".

Our country has been divided among a group of elitists -numbering no more than a few thousand- who have effectively taken control over the minds, the money, and the morals of the great many of us. To insure that their control over America is unassailable, they have built their own sets of retainers whose personal well-being are dependent upon enduring support of their masters' agenda. At least 25 million Americans are benefiting directly from their fealty to what is sometimes referred to as "Agenda 21": globalism, political correctness, and the ascendancy of zionism over everything else.

It is a sad irony that Donald Trump is one of these elitists. I doubt his sincerity. But for his own purposes, he is capitalizing on the grim understanding among a large group of Americans who know too well that the country and the society -within which they have grown up and have embraced- has been poisoned by moral coruption, by sexual depravity, by zionism, and by persons of privilege (like Trump) who are obsessed with their own personal aggrandizement.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 12:20 | 6327085 sam site
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Trump is similar to Obama in 2008.  Both told the crowds what they want to hear.  Trump promotes a strong military and also a large welfare state that takes care of everyone. 

He never mentions budget cuts and has everyone believing Mr ‘Art of the Deal’ Trump using his exceptional trading skills will solve our unemployment problem.

Maybe he will but it’s unlikely given his advertised unrealistic solutions.  Everyone suspects Hillary and Jeb are certain disasters like Bill and W were.  Everyone saw what happens when a candidate tells the truth and sticks with principals like Ron Paul. 

The problem with elections is not the phoney deceptive candidates that convince by omission.  It’s the confused voters that demand politically-correct dumbed- down speeches that promise everything with no pain. 

 Then we just have to take a chance and see what turns out – like with our current Liar in Chief.

 

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 14:23 | 6327358 MR166
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"Trump is similar to Obama in 2008.  Both told the crowds what they want to hear. "

 

If you listened very carefully Obama delivered everything that he promised.  It is not his fault that people were too dumb to fully understand what he was really promising.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 14:53 | 6327419 tangent
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So, when he promised more transparency in government, he meant what, five new skylights in government buildings?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 13:16 | 6327185 quadratic_equation
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"And truly I did laugh, as when he denounced the existence of tech support in India that serves American companies (“how can it be cheaper to call people there than here?” — as if he still thinks that long-distance charges apply)."

 

I agree with Trump these should have been American jobs.  With our high unemployment and enourmously large trade deficits...he's also correct to demand to our trading partners to buy equal amount of our products to theirs.  I'm against the global free trade and immigration ( legal or illegal). We already have too many unemployed and people in welfare, we don't need to take anymore to take our jobs and smootch on our taxes.  As for free trade, the founding fathers intended free trade and free market between States of the US not global.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 14:02 | 6327306 Last of the Mid...
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Labeling Donald Trump a demagogue is one of the funniest things I"ve heard since Obama took office. Really?  Really?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 14:12 | 6327330 bugs_
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Jeb vs. Hillary: Status Quo you can believe in!

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 18:51 | 6327993 Grouchy Marx
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So Trump is dangerous and Obama is safe. Or Hillary is safe. Or Bush is safe.

Give me a break. This author is a tool of the establishment.

Sure, I wish there were better choices than Donald. But who else is raising immigration as a real issue? Who else is stating the obvious - that immigration is *destroying* America?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:00 | 6328406 Mcat
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America is Fed up with career politicians and Trump's message resonates with those who are fed up. As he gains momentum, the GOP will find a way to nuetralize him which will result in the beginning of the end for the GOP as we know it. A new alternatie third party will take shape, one that splinters the GOP and hands Hillary the keys to the WH. 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:32 | 6328495 MR166
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Well Trump just turned himself into a non issue.  I don't see how he can recover from the McCain blunder. 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:48 | 6328534 FredFlintstone
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Well, you may not have much of an imagination then.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 16:28 | 6330188 fr0thing
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Based on his previous track record it is difficult to take Trump seriously on his White House aspirations. That aside let's look at the facts as they stand right now:

 - Trump is hated by the left and right mainstream media. This is a good thing and it makes me more inclinded to support him.

 - He is the only candidate thus far to really drive home the dangers and idiocy of our current immigration situation.

 - He is hated by communistic race groups like La Raza. This is also a good thing and build support.

 - He doesn't take any crap. He recently confronted MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell live on the air for calling him a liar. That was awesome-sauce.

- On the negative side he is a "blow hard". People don't like his style regardless of message.

- He is obscenely rich. Again with wealth disparity that is a huge negative for most.

- The rise to the top is often on the backs of others or requires shady dealing. No idea how trustworthy he is or how serious even now.

 

Personally I would vote for him over Hillary but there are other candidates I'd rather see win.

Mon, 07/20/2015 - 10:22 | 6332310 Vin
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So Donald is a potentially dangerous fascist but Hillary, the entire demonrat party, and all the RINOs are much better fascists.  Huh?

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