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Historic Iran Nuke Deal Resets Eurasia's "Great Game"

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Originally authored by Pepe Escobar, via Asia Times,

This is it. It is indeed historic. And diplomacy eventually wins. In terms of the New Great Game in Eurasia, and the ongoing tectonic shifts reorganizing Eurasia, this is huge: Iran — supported by Russia and China — has finally, successfully, called the long, winding 12-year-long Atlanticist bluff on its “nuclear weapons.”

And this only happened because the Obama administration needed 1) a lone foreign policy success, and 2) a go at trying to influence at least laterally the onset of the new Eurasia-centered geopolitical order.

So here it is – the 159-page, as detailed as possible, Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA); the actual P5+1/Iran nuclear deal. As Iranian diplomats have stressed, the JCPOA will be presented to the United Nations Security Council (UNSC), which will then adopt a resolution within 7 to 10 days making it an official international document.

Foreign ministers pose for a group picture at UN building in Vienna

 

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif has described the deal — significantly — as a very Chinese “win-win” solution. But not perfect; “I believe this is a historic moment. We are reaching an agreement that is not perfect for anybody but is what we could accomplish. Today could have been the end of hope, but now we are starting a new chapter of hope.”

Zarif also had to stress — correctly — this was a long-sought solution for an “unnecessary crisis”; the politicization — essentially by the US — of a scientific, technical dossier.

Germany’s Foreign Minister Steinmeier, for his part, was euphoric; “A historic day! We leave 35 years of speechlessness + more than 12 years of a dangerous conflict behind us.”

Looking ahead, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani tweeted now there can be “a focus on shared challenges” – referring to the real fight that NATO, and Iran, should pursue together; against the fake Caliphate of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, whose ideological matrix is intolerant Wahhabism and whose attacks are directed against both Shi’ites and westerners.

Right on cue, Russian President Vladimir Putin stressed the deal will contribute to fighting terrorism in the Middle East, not to mention “assisting in strengthening global and regional security, global nuclear non-proliferation” and — perhaps wishful thinking? — “the creation in the Middle East of a zone free from weapons of mass destruction.”

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov stressed the deal “fully corresponds” with Russia’s negotiating points. The fact is no deal would have been possible without extensive Russian involvement — and the Obama administration knows it (but cannot admit it publicly).

The real problem started when Lavrov added that Moscow expects the cancellation of Washington’s missile defense plans, after the Iran deal proves that Tehran is not, and won’t be, a nuclear “threat.”

There’s the rub. The Pentagon simply won’t cancel an essential part of its Full Spectrum Dominance military doctrine simply because of mere “diplomacy.” Every security analyst not blinded by ideology knows that missile defense was never about Iran, but about Russia. The Pentagon’s new military review still states — not by accident — major Eurasian players Iran, China and Russia as “threats” to U.S. national security.

Now from the brighter side on Iran-Russia relations. Trade is bound to increase, especially in nanotechnology, machinery parts and agriculture. And on the all-pervasive energy front, Iran will indeed compete with Russia in major markets such as Turkey and soon Western Europe, but there’s plenty of leeway for Gazprom and the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) to coordinate their market share. NIOC executive Mohsen Qamsari advances that Iran will prioritize exporting to Asia, and will try to regain the at least 42% of the European market share that it had before sanctions.

Compared to so many uplifting perspectives, Washington’s reaction was quite pedestrian. US President Barack Obama preferred to stress — correctly — that every pathway to an Iranian nuclear weapon has been cut off. And he vowed to veto any legislation in the US Congress that blocks the deal. When I was in Vienna last week I had surefire confirmation — from a European source — that the Obama administration feels confident it has the votes it needs in Capitol Hill.

And what about all that oil?

Tariq Rauf, former Head of Verification and Security Policy at the IAEA and currently Director of the Disarmament and Non-Proliferation Program at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), hailed the deal as “the most significant multilateral nuclear agreement in two decades – the last such agreement was the 1996 nuclear test ban treaty.” Rauf even advanced that the 2016 Nobel Peace Prize should go to US Secretary of State Jon Kerry and Iran’s Foreign Minister Zarif.

Rebuilding trust between the US and Iran, though, will be a long and winding road.

Tehran agreed to a 15-year moratorium on enriching uranium beyond 3.67 percent; this means it has agreed to reduce its enrichment capacity by two-thirds. Only Natanz will conduct enrichment; and Fordo, additionally, won’t store fissile material.

Iran agreed to store no more than 300 kg of low-enriched uranium — a 96% reduction compared to current levels. The Arak reactor will be reconfigured, and won’t be used to produce plutonium. The spent fuel will be handled by an international team.

The IAEA and Iran signed a roadmap in Tehran also this Tuesday; that was already decided last week in Vienna. By December 15, all past and present outstanding issues — that amount to 12 items — should be clarified, and the IAEA will deliver a final assessment. IAEA access to the Parchin military site — always a very contentious issue — is part of a separate arrangement.

One of the major sticking points these last few days in Vienna was solved — with Tehran allowing UN inspectors to visit virtually any site. But it may object to a particular visit. A Joint Commission — the P5+1 + Iran — will be able to override any objections with a simple majority vote. After that Iran has three days to comply — in case it loses the vote. There won’t be American inspectors — shades of the run-up towards the war on Iraq; only from countries with diplomatic relations with Iran.

So implementation of the deal will take at least the next five months. Sanctions will be lifted only by early 2016.

What’s certain is that Iran will become a magnet for foreign investment. Major western and Asian multinationals are already positioned to start cracking this practically virgin market with over 70 million people, including a very well educated middle class. There will be a boom in sectors such as consumer electronics, the auto industry and hospitality and leisure.

And then there’s, once again, oil. Iran has as much as a whopping 50 million barrels of oil stored at sea — and that’s about ready to hit the global market. The purchaser of choice will be, inevitably, China — as the West remains mired in recession. Iran’s first order of work is to regain lost market share to Persian Gulf producers. Yet the trend is for oil prices to go down – so Iran cannot count on much profit in the short to medium term.

Now for a real war on terror?

The conventional arms embargo on Iran essentially stays, for five years. That’s absurd, compared to Israel and the House of Saud arming themselves to their teeth.

Last May the US Congress approved a $1.9 billion arms sale to Israel. That includes 50 BLU-113 bunker-buster bombs — to do what? Bomb Natanz? — and 3,000 Hellfire missiles. As for Saudi Arabia, according to SIPRI, the House of Saud spent a whopping $80 billion on weapons last year; more than nuclear powers France or Britain. The House of Saud is waging an — illegal — war on Yemen.

Qatar is not far behind. It clinched an $11 billion deal to buy Apache helicopters and Javelin and Patriot air defense systems, and is bound to buy loads of F-15 fighters.

Trita Parsi, president of the National American-Iranian Council, went straight to the point; “Saudi Arabia spends 13 times more money on its defense than Iran does. But somehow Iran, and not Saudi Arabia, is seen by the US as the potential aggressor.”

So, whatever happens, expect tough days ahead. Two weeks ago, Foreign Minister Zarif told a small group of independent journalists in Vienna, including this correspondent, that the negotiations would be a success because the US and Iran had agreed on “no humiliation of one another.” He stressed he paid “a high domestic price for not blaming the Americans,” and he praised Kerry as “a reasonable man.” But he was wary of the US establishment, which to a great extent, according to his best information, was dead set against the lifting of sanctions.

Zarif also praised the Russian idea that after a deal, it will be time to form a real counter-terrorism coalition, featuring Americans, Iranians, Russians, Chinese and Europeans — even as Putin and Obama had agreed to work together on “regional issues.” And Iranian diplomacy was giving signs that the Obama administration had finally understood that the alternative to Assad in Syria was ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, not the “Free” Syrian Army.

That degree of collaboration, post-Wall of Mistrust, remains to be seen. Then it will be possible to clearly evaluate whether the Obama administration has made a major strategic decision, and whether “normalizing” its relation with Iran involves much more than meets the eye.

 

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Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:12 | 6328435 Oldwood
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Obama scores!

I can't imagine what could go wrong now.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:14 | 6328587 Pairadimes
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I would like to purchase a couple ounces of whatever it is that the author of this article is smoking.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:53 | 6328650 trulz4lulz
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Some seriously good Dr Who.....? Anyway..this is a game of dead Man's dice, a demons favorite game. The stage is set, we should all trust Iran now...hope that trust is never broken....fictional flags blamed on factual agreements. This is a dangerous game they are all playing now.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:18 | 6328691 ILLILLILLI
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Now all that needs to happen is the Zionists giving up their weapons program.

Oh...wait...can't do THAT!

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 02:20 | 6328809 Oh regional Indian
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Diplomacy wins..hahahahahahaaaaaaaa!

Di-Pole-Mace...the root words of diplomacy. It's all about division and LANGUAGE.

So now Iran's mysterious floating reserves will further destroy the oil price, which will destroy every other price of real things.

The SQUAWK market, meanwhile, will continue to rise.

Iran will "soften" it's stance on Syria and Iraq and just wait for Israel to do something really stupid and then "Pull it".

The October surprises this year are going to be epic, what with Greece FIXED, Iran FIXED, Ukraine FIXED....

un-FIXED...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxkHQXb5nDc

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 03:12 | 6328847 cookie nookie
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I love this deal.  Obama is a genius.  This is a real slap in the face to the Sunni nutjobs.  Good for you, Mr. President.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 04:24 | 6328895 philipat
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Unlike certain other countries, Iran never attacked anyone. And there is absolutely NO evidence that Iran has ever had a weapons program, also the opinion of the IAEA inspectors. Of course, it might be on of Rummies "Unknow, unknows" bit if so the existing sanctions regimen wouldn't prevent that anyway. You've been listening to too much US propoganda as dutifully parroted by the US MSM.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 04:56 | 6328919 Skateboarder
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It's funny, almost... almost. Plenty of Iranians here in good ol Cali, and many good peoples too. "Folkses" here have been trained by the media to hate Iran the country, just as with the Rooskies (and plenty of them here as well, and good peoples too). All the fake polls with the "Iran threat" showing up as high priority... okay, so now there's some sort of fucking deal and everything is daisies?

What about that Gayed Helm map designating Texas as iRan? Guess that was just for funzies huh.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 05:09 | 6328932 MSimon
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Evidently the Saudis are none too happy about the deal.  They intend to escalate their proxy war with Iran in response. Peace for our time!

 

http://news.yahoo.com/nuclear-deal-saudis-signal-theyll-act-iran-gets-11...

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 06:40 | 6329005 weburke
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media wont report that the muslims are grouping around the america as satan idea more and more due to gay marriage. 

also, obama is forcing israel to attack due to the iran deal AND the un push for gaza to be a palestinian nation. 

these two obama actions are the death of israel and they know it. 

war is very soon. 

now that the elites have gotten muslims in all the countries, they can launch false flags in support of their goals, while blaming it on the muslim israel wars coming very soon. 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:10 | 6329118 Pliskin
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Nice article. A bit long-winded, but full of FACTS.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 17:37 | 6330328 logicalman
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Worth the read - thanks.

As an anarchist, I despise ALL government, but given the world we live in, someone has to oppose the Western megalomaniacs.

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 14:00 | 6329717 The Delicate Genius
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go back to Drudge Report, you hack.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 05:13 | 6328936 MSimon
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Unlike certain other countries, Iran never attacked anyone.

 

They prefer proxy wars. It gives them deniability.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:54 | 6329143 Bob
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Thanks, T2!  The title would seem to imply the article is just another hit job on Putin, but not so at all.  It puts the pieces together in a way that makes sense . . . the only kind of sense that my own impressions over time can be reconciled with.  A bit worshipful of Putin, but a plausible narrative overall. 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 14:07 | 6329731 11b40
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They learn that from Israel?

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 09:57 | 6329261 McCormick No. 9
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Cook-nook, you got downvoted because you praised Obama, not because you like the deal.

Obama is not a genuis. He isn't even smart. Cunning maybe. But smart?  As in creative and able to think outside the box? I don't think so.

There are only two reasons why Iran has been a boogy-monster. 1: israel 2: Hegelian dialectic

On the one hand, Iran is a game leading up to a One World Government. Russia loves this. Putin is playing his part to achieve the One World Government.

On the other hand, all Israel cares about is its own agenda. Israel controls the US, and as far as Israel is concerned there will be no One World Government unless it is ruled from Tel Aviv.

So this is the real struggle, and Iran, nno matter how it is looked at, is just the latest chess piece in play, ie Iran is just a proxy in a biggger struggle- who will control the NWO?

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 02:20 | 6328810 johnvallo
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Hmmmm...it seems like this whole deal was set up so that Europe could buy oil from Iran instead of having to rely on Ukraine/Russia. 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 05:23 | 6328944 old naughty
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and why would Russia (and China) get behind this deal then?

While most of us think along the line Russia vs the West; China vs US/Japan; I and/or IS vs US, etc, etc...

A deal made to "expand" the geopolitical strife beyond nation boundaries (the bankers one already working thru Greece)...

There's only one controller (or puppet master, if you will) behind the curtain, 

and that curtain will soon be lifted...

oh, mighty Fall, epic.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 05:34 | 6328949 Skateboarder
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As the old saying goes, "there is only one lord of the rings, and he does not share power."

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 09:19 | 6329194 Bendromeda Strain
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Actually, in this one instance he does. Revelation 13 says that the dragon will give his power to the beast. Same story, new face.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 02:18 | 6328808 BarkingCat
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Name one country that Iran has attacked in the 20th or 21st century.

Is their leadership made up of religious nuts??? Absolutely.

Is that any different than Saudi Arabia or Israel??? Not at all.

Remind me again which country has "In God We Trust" on all their currency.

What country uses the bible to swear in their public officials and witnesses in court.

What country has a opening prayer when government convenes.

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 05:16 | 6328937 MSimon
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Name one country that hosts "Death To America" rallies.

 

Name one that hosts "Death to Iran" rallies.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:49 | 6329165 Boomberg
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Why would Western countries host "Death to Iran" rallies when it's already the established government policy? 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:11 | 6329467 Jack's Raging B...
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I know this game! My turn! My turn! Name the country that...

  • Has Iran circled by military bases
  • Helped overthrow Iran's secular democracy and install a police state.
  • Brought Saddam Hussein to power then gave him the means to produce chemical weapons that he gassed thousand upon thousands of Irans with.
  • Has been stoking war with Iran for 30 years to keep them at heel with the Petrodollar.
  • The only country in the world to murder thousands of civilians (twice) with nuclear weapons, yet preaches from a false moral high-ground about their possesion and use.

Get it?

 

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 07:44 | 6329083 JerseyJoe
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Alex, What is Khobar Towers?   

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:25 | 6329496 The Merovingian
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Well, technically speaking, they did attack and invade the United States when they siezed the embassy in Tehran and took the hostages.

BTW, I did not down vote you ...

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 01:00 | 6328728 Dubaibanker
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I agree...Pairadimes...I dont know what mumbo jumbo about nuclear stuff and military and Israel he is talking about...Israel WAS a power and nuclear stuff CANNOT used by ANYONE. It does not even form a nuclear deterrent because otherwise someone would have used it (since Hiroshima)....

Aside from the fact that US desperately wanted the Iran deal due to:

a) Obama leaving his legacy who wanted to close it before the US elections cacophony rose any further,

b) US companies who are struggling to find new buyers and they saw solid potential in Iran http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/07/14/apple-other-big-businesses-eye...

c) Saudi is no longer a 'friend' of US by doing 2 massive deals with Russia just in the last 30 days while battling unrest inside the country,

d) Iran needs peace as do most other countries after battling each other for so long and now ISIS is rearing its ugly head and

e) America needed to leave from the Middle East and this is also an exit strategy after burning half the Middle East and creating chaos in the other half

The deal was a one sided deal in favour of Iran and I made some observations here on 15th July....the second day of the deal....

It was in Sept 2013 and again in Jan 2014 when I projected to my friends that Iran-US rapproachment would eventually happen. Several argued that it will not happen but ultimately I proved to be right.

A lot of reasons are behind this deal to happen yesterday which was not possible even a few years ago. It is a perfect time for this deal to happen which will bring much needed peace to the region as well as stability and reduction in wars............

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-15/iran-nuclear-deal-explained-1-c...

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 02:08 | 6328802 jwoop66
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And Greece is getting more money!  EVERYTHING is going to work out!  

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:02 | 6329453 Variance Doc
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@Dubaibanker - As usual, thanks for your insights and especially taking the time to writeup your thoughts on the post you cited.

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 17:43 | 6330345 logicalman
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The only time there will be a reduction in wars is when they stop being so profitable for the banksters.

Simple, really.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:23 | 6328601 NoDebt
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I don't care if you have opinions one way or the other on the Iranians having nukes or whether they intend to use them against the "great statan".  Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  

What I see more deeply in this is a tacit agreement that the American hegemony is ending.  

Good thing, right?

No.  Just the beginning of something worse- the real NWO coming into frame.  If you're a fat, dumb and happy member of western society, you're basically fucked.  If you're a member of the "up and coming" societies, you'll do fine.

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:07 | 6328676 knukles
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More redistribution in the name of equality fraternity harmony and racial relations.  And while they're at it if you're white Anglo-Saxon Christian, heterosexual, married with progeny, without any significant disabilities, you're especially screwed.

http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for...

Yeah yeah yeah, I know, y'all already seen it, but read it again for good measure.  They (the ubiquitous them) have done one fine fucking great job of creating a social maelstrom to redefine Western Culture, and it ain't for the better of anybody hangs out here, at all.  Everything you thought was OK is turned pear-shaped and rotten.  Your entire belief systems have been twisted so far beyond comprehension that one day, you'll realize the real meaning of Thomas Wolfe's (the elder) "You Can't Go Home Again".

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:52 | 6328732 ZD1
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A key part of President Obama’s legacy will be the fed’s unprecedented collection of sensitive data on Americans by race. The government is prying into our most personal information at the most local levels, all for the purpose of “racial and economic justice.” Unbeknown to most Americans, Obama’s racial bean counters are furiously mining data on their health, home loans, credit cards, places of work, neighborhoods, even how their kids are disciplined in school — all to document “inequalities” between minorities and whites.

 This Orwellian-style stockpile of statistics includes a vast and permanent network of discrimination databases, which Obama already is using to make “disparate impact” cases against: banks that don’t make enough prime loans to minorities; schools that suspend too many blacks; cities that don’t offer enough Section 8 and other low-income housing for minorities; and employers who turn down African-Americans for jobs due to criminal backgrounds.

 Big Brother Barack wants the databases operational before he leaves office, and much of the data in them will be posted online.  So civil-rights attorneys and urban activist groups will be able to exploit them to show patterns of “racial disparities” and “segregation,” even if no other evidence of discrimination exists. Obama is presiding over the largest consolidation of personal data in US history.

 

http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for...
Sun, 07/19/2015 - 02:27 | 6328814 BarkingCat
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What the fuck is an African American???

I think the proper term is Negro, and I could give a rat's ass that the PC police is unhappy about it.

 

Using a term like African American leads to dumb asses refering to some bushman in Uganda who has never traveled outside a 100 kilometer radius of his village as African American.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:45 | 6329160 nmewn
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Or an American of Egyptian or Morrocan decent as "African hyphen American".

Its ridiculous PC bullshit.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:33 | 6329309 Berspankme
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No shit, I don't run around demanding to be called a german american. Negros are negros

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 17:46 | 6330355 logicalman
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Negros are Negros and should be proud of the name.

Race - the 'never fail' divide and conquer technique.

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:20 | 6329292 WillyGroper
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Here ya go Knuks,

Bawny gonna get you straight on propaganda at NYP.

https://youtu.be/a5NrqqK60OI

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 14:21 | 6329757 piliage
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I see the head of the program being some socialist asshole named O'Brien, with an office in the ministry of truth, Room 101.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 04:12 | 6328887 Farqued Up
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I keep having trouble choking the facts down, foremost being with all this animosity, supposedly, the U.S. Is still hitching rides with the Devil to the ISS.

I call Bovine Scat on this whole opera. It does appear that the real pissed ones are the Saudis and the Israelis and their FSA puppets. All are simply arguing over the slice sizes.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:54 | 6328736 Fukushima Fricassee
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Well he could choke on all the cock he suckes but then again a SS agent would probably pull his male wife's dick out of his mouth in time to avoid the international embarasment.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:35 | 6329313 Berspankme
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Imagine the shock of the SS agent the first time Moochelle walked into the mens room at the white house and stood at the urinal

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 01:20 | 6328763 Nexus789
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Obomba scores....an own goal

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 01:30 | 6328775 Takeaction2
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Sorry Off Topic...You have to see Trump speak the truth about that prick John McCain.  Trump has HUGE gonads.  I love it.
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/trump-sl...

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 04:46 | 6328913 Seek_Truth
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Dear Trump Worshipper,

It doesn't take any more gonads to criticize McStain than it does to criticize any other marionette puppet.

Let's see him criticize the Rothschilds et al and the money power behind the throne.

That not only takes gonads, but reveals where loyalties actually lie.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:43 | 6329325 Grimaldus
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I like a lot of what Trump is saying, but yes, like you I am still waiting for him to demand the destruction of the Federal Reserve, The IRS and income tax.

 

Oh and McCain is a traitor.

 

Grimaldus

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 13:48 | 6329699 Ass Burger
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"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." is not a quote from Voltaire. It comes from Kevin Alfred Strom, a white supremacist and convicted pedophile.

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2yk7s1/til_to_learn_who_...

Nice quote nonetheless, just sayin...

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 06:49 | 6329022 Pliskin
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McCains a war hero who risked his life to fight for your freedoms, how dare Trump, how dare YOU!

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:18 | 6329479 redd_green
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McCain a war hero?  Who faught for WHO's freedoms, where?   All horse crap. 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 07:50 | 6329088 JerseyJoe
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Trump makes a point but not one worth making so publicly - more to get headlines.   He clearly doens't give a crap.

This is funny:

 

Mitt Romney, who ran against McCain in the 2008 GOP primaries, also took to Twitter to defend him: “The difference between @SenJohnMcCain and @realDonaldTrump: Trump shot himself down. McCain and American veterans are true heroes.”

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 14:47 | 6329828 The Delicate Genius
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Jewish Sayanim more DANGEROUS than al Qaeda cells
https://ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/jewish-sayanim-more-dange...

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:12 | 6328438 TBT or not TBT
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Sounds like we'll have Peace in our time. 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:39 | 6328512 nmewn
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To TBT's down voter, you do realize he's married to an Iranian right?

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 15:16 | 6328748 813kml
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That can only be determined by a team of international inspectors.

Does she prefer red or white wine?

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 20:06 | 6330651 TBT or not TBT
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She's Shirazi.  Originally. 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:15 | 6328444 NoWayJose
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I just hope we can get samples of the nuclear material so we can trace where the first nuke to go off in America came from...

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:46 | 6328524 nmewn
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Not to worry, Americans can't be part of any inspections. We'll rely on the honest forthcomings of the French, the Germans and the Russians!

No Americans permitted under final nuclear deal

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-bans-u-s-inspectors-from-al...

Why...what could possibly go wrong? ;-)

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:48 | 6328532 Kina
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THe last people you want or would ever believe are American inspectors. If the last 50 years has tought us anything is that US TPTB will lie about anything and everything for its own geopolitical games.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:56 | 6328557 nmewn
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And the mullahs and oligarchs of Iran are as pure as the wind driven snow.

Remember...I don't use sarc tags ;-)

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:31 | 6328621 strannick
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American inspectors. For imaginary weapons of mass destruction.

Pull your imagining head out of your actual ass. No sarc tags.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 04:06 | 6328883 Oh regional Indian
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Well said strannick.No paragon of virtue, anything American at this point. 

Actually, it's always good to make a distinction, America (Power Cabal) and Americans (The rest) are two very different animals. Like everywhere else. I think using broad brush strokes and names works in the oilygarch's favour...

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:20 | 6329127 nmewn
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Just like everywhere else ORI.

And just like everywhere else, some details of "the deal" aren't being widely disseminated to the peeps for some vague reason, a show of hands for all those who knew the mullah's insisted on no American inspectors in order to finalize "the deal" that they were negotiating or that if the IAEA deems a site suspicious, Iran can object to the inspection (preventing it) and the parties go into negotiations for access to inspect that site...I thought so. 

A small price to pay for the illusion of the One's legacy, I suppose. So well done you deft negotiating tactician John Kerry...lmao!

Like the rest of Obama's bullshit, it has an expiration date.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:55 | 6329168 Oldwood
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We all have certain illusions we wish to maintain as can be seen here. Those who see the west as the devil will cozy up to any other "lesser devil" in the room. These are the same people who see the left/right debate as pointless delusion yet seem to have no problem doing the exact same thing based upon national or religious reasons.

I do not think it partisan to state that I believe that anything that Obama does or initiates is NOT for the betterment of Americans...or any one else for that matter, unless it is simply a happy coincidence to his personal agenda.

And I can't help but wonder how many of those rushing to Iran's side in this would actually consider going there and living under their regime? Its an extremely odd thing to live in a country that one constantly disparages in favor of other regimes that they would NEVER consider living under.

Considering the massive flight from these focal points of peaceful existence, it would seem like selective remembrances that so many would still defend them, and if America and the "western" nations are the "devil", why is this where they are all going??

There are lots of contradictory if not purely hypocritical thoughts wrapped up in this.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 09:34 | 6329216 nmewn
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Yes, many elements of this debate are being accepted without critique or comment.

I don't think anyone here has a visceral hatred of the Iranian people, it is directed at the government(s), the mullah's, in much the same way as the "pro-Iranian" side is hooting at the "pro-American" side...the government.

And on that point (from a purely sovereign-nationalist-statist point of view) an observation, no one seems to find it New World Order-ish and troubling that "this deal" (its not a treaty by American law, Congress hasn't acted) is being negotiated through the UN and is being accepted as finalized?

If you like your dictatorship you can keep your dictatorship applies to both Khamenei and Obama ;-)

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:31 | 6329517 negative rates
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They insisted that the inspectors be from a country which has dipolmatic ties to Iran, you would prefer to be the fox guarding the proverbal, hen house. It wasn't such an offensive request, your needing to throw down your law on other country's is nothing but self interested greed.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 14:28 | 6329773 11b40
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The days of America dictating to China and Russia what happens in the ME seem to be over. Get over it. We don't call all the tunes anymore.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:23 | 6329131 Iwanttoknow
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Fuckface, christian Zionist,suck on a lemon.Thank god America is saved from the two fifth columnists  i.e. Jews and Cubans.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:39 | 6329153 nmewn
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Cubans are fifth columnists? Why, I had no idea...lol.

If you ever met one who wasn't ate up with Marxist bullshit you'd probably change your mind.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:19 | 6328693 Afaerl
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The first law of geopolitics - we're all as bad as each other.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 05:37 | 6328952 old naughty
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Or, as innocent as each other, under the boots.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:53 | 6328550 robobbob
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already planned for. the cake will be of south american origin with so many post marks no one will be able to prove anything. just expect the .gov to pin the tail on who ever is on the invasion list that week, probably texas

and my money is on the big apple not seeing another decade.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:27 | 6328614 Bangin7GramRocks
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Iran has attacked how many countries again? Refresh my memory. That's right. They have attacked zero countries but you expect them to get nukes and immediately detonate in NYC. What a greasy gash you are!

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:59 | 6328635 strannick
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Exactly. 

One wonders if the evil the Americans are supposedly saving us from, would be worse than the actual evil in millions of direct and indirect dead from the Americans. Recall Madeline Albright saying how half a million starved Iraqi kids were acceptable collateral damage to her sanctions. I guess they WERE only Iraqi.

Time to to face the fact of this evil fucked up nation. Even WW2 we have the Russians to thank, not USA The rest is their shitty Indians to Iraq history.

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 07:57 | 6329095 JerseyJoe
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I had a profound dislike for that fat waddling duck but you're so full of crap.  LOL  Those "straving kids" were Saddam's pawns for the consumption of nitwits like you. 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 17:53 | 6330374 logicalman
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Those starving kids were STARVING KIDS.

Do you have children?

Do you have the ability to think?

Wake the fuck up.

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 07:54 | 6329091 JerseyJoe
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Khobar Towers

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:24 | 6329298 flapdoodle
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Mossad.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 14:34 | 6329793 11b40
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USS Cole

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:01 | 6329263 Grimaldus
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Ummm, I think one too many rocks banged dude.

Iranians shoot at anything that moves. Oh man if you touch "their" stuff it is over.

Iran attacks not only by proxy but directly. Ever heard of Hezbollah?

Boom! 241 Marines dead in Beruit

Boom! Israel attacked constantly

Boom! UAE islands invaded!

Boom! Iranian gunships attack oil tankers

Boom! Iranian gunboats attack Kuwait Island outposts

Boom! Iranian Shia attack Saudi Sunni everywhere.

Use any search engine and the list will grow and grow and grow. Third grade stuff actually.

So ok the Persians raise their heads out of their holes and shoot at everybody. It is still NONE of America's business and the USA should have never intervened in Iranian affairs. That goes for Israel too and all the rest of them.

It is a given that plenty of nasty corrupt countries like Iran will get nukes and there will be nuclear war, count on it.

Why should we care? Let them kill each other all they want and we will do business with whoever is still able. Screw intervention in sovereign nations affairs. But it such a core progressive thing, isnt it? Like the progressive assault on personal liberty here in the USA and everywhere else in the world. Progressives just got to inject criminal tyranny into everything they do, leaving rivers of blood in their wake. Like Hillary's bloodbath intervention into Syria and Libya.

And if the nasty corrupt Islamic shitholes wanna mess with the USA in a nuclear fashion then they should be glassed into flat radioactive wastes, uninhabitable for 10,000 yrs minimum. Everything they are and were, destroyed for eternity.

Naw, on second thought, just go back to bangin rocks dude. Don't forget to vote for Hillary.

Grimaldus

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:16 | 6328449 hound dog vigilante
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Long story short, this Iran "deal" is much ado about nothing.

Iran is going to get their nuke/bomb eventually anyways, and spending billions pretending that we could somehow stop them is/was naive & wasteful.

Yes, Israel has reason to dislike this deal.  But then Israel is not a part of the USA, and they can feel free to do what is necessary to protect themselves (clearly their longtime bodyguard is moving on, retiring from it's role as World Police).

The big winner is China, and the big loser is neocon foreign policy. Meh.

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:23 | 6328470 TBT or not TBT
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The Mullahs are the biggest winners in this deal.  They control every business worth owning in Iran, and every windfall will fall directly into their hands.  Hezbollah will get a nice boost, as will arms dealers.    The middle class will still be treated badly, even if there is sure to be some trickle down.  

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:32 | 6328496 Stumpy4516
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The quality of life in Iran is pretty good and Iran has a strong middle class.  One of the reasons it must be destroyed, like Libya.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:41 | 6328511 Thirtyseven
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Iran is beautiful.  Think Idaho + Utah with a little Nevada mixed in....not so different from us eh?

Oh, and Iraq was a lot like Texas (big rivers, hot & dry, semi-desert vegetation, many farms, often floods, occasional snow flurries), with Kurdistan feeling a lot like New Mexico. 

Again...it almost makes the people who live there seem like humans or something.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 03:23 | 6328861 Hugh G. Rection
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When you put it that way, Thirtyseven, suddenly jade Helm makes sense!

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 17:57 | 6330393 logicalman
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Joe Iranian wants to get on with looking after his family and enjoying life, just like Joe American, Joe Chinaman, Joe Russian etc.

It's those who want power over others who will do anything to get it that are the problem humanity must solve.

I do have a few ideas in that regard!

 

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:51 | 6328544 TBT or not TBT
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Scarcity of basics there has the people of Iran, those not connected to the regime, skimping by.   People I know personally have to wait in lines for commodities like milk.   This is due to the sick behavior of the hated mullahcratic regime.  

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:10 | 6328577 hound dog vigilante
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...and after 35 years the people of Iran haven't overthrown the mullahs (yet).  So again, this deal is much ado about nothing.  The mullahs have a grip on power in Iran and only the Iranian (persian) people can change that fact.  Neocon dreams of a "democratic" Iran (via war & 'nation-building') have led the US into a disasterous (and expensive) era of foreign policy.

I'm not cheering an Obama 'victory' here... just happy to see a big nail driven into the neocon coffin. 

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:24 | 6328608 TBT or not TBT
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The security apparatus of the regime remained well funded even during the sanctions.   Like Saddam, the petromonarchies, the Gazprom oligarchy, Ghadaffy, and similar regimes sitting on an oil and gas spigot, they can pay for the loyalty of enough goons and actual brutish assholes to keep the lid on the rest of the people indefinitely...unless outside forces come to bear.    Obama could have at least said something during the 2009 street protests against the regime.  Nothing doing.   He and ValJarr plotted to work with the regime, legitimize the regime, and empower the regime.   Mission Accomplished.  The tyranny in Iran could last another full century once they have quality nukes.  

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:30 | 6328620 hound dog vigilante
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"The tyranny in Iran could last another full century once they have quality nukes."

And they would've gotten those nukes anyways - sanctions or no sanctions.  So again, this "deal" is much ado about nothing... except for the US chickenhawk neocon warmongers floating out with the tide... good riddance.

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:54 | 6328647 TBT or not TBT
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Pakistan has nukes and not nearly the excess cash to spend on such things as Iran does.   It's odd Iran doesn't have them already.   Oh, wait.  No it isnt.  They have been under sanctions to prevent that, being a rogue state sin e the 70's.     

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:34 | 6328713 knukles
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Yes, Iran has been a nuke free zone for many years, now.
Was patterned after America's gun free zones.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 07:34 | 6329070 Thirtyseven
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"...and after 35 years the people of Iran haven't overthrown the mullahs (yet).  So again, this deal is much ado about nothing.  The mullahs have a grip on power in Iran and only the Iranian (persian) people can change that fact."

And the jew has an equally, if not stronger, grip on power here in the United State and WE have not overthrown them (yet?).

Sounds like Americans and Iranians are in the same boat in that we all have a government that is keeping us down and which few people actually want.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:06 | 6329280 Grimaldus
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Too bad about the Iranians. Such a great people- stomped down by the nastiest and most corrupt religious tyranny imaginable.

Grimaldus

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:33 | 6328499 hound dog vigilante
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As if endless proxy wars & sanctions were 'working'... puh-lease.

Will the mullahs be re-investing their windfall and challenging Google or Apple for hearts & minds?  You seem to think that ending economic sanctions is going to turn Iran into a regional hegemon & military juggernaught.  Iran is already a regional power, and every war they've ever participated in has been against other muslims... so let them annihilate each other.

When did americans turn into such pussies?

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:01 | 6328565 TBT or not TBT
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No, I do NOT think the mullahs will do anything terribly productive with their windfall.  They already blow crap tons of money today and manage their domestic economy horribly.   The windfall will go to strengthening the regime further against the iranian people and foreign foes alike.  

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:13 | 6328586 hound dog vigilante
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so all the more reason for the Iranian people to overthrow the mullahs... as if they needed another reason.

This deal neither hastens nor delays a revolution in Iran - only the Iranian people can make that happen - on their timetable (not ours).

 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:28 | 6328617 TBT or not TBT
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This very obviously delays the Iranian people overcoming the mullahcracy.   The unleashed money, resources, and benefits of increased trade and investment pass through their hands.  

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:35 | 6328630 hound dog vigilante
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"...money, resources, and benefits of increased trade and investment pass through their hands..."

As it always has, sanctions or not.  You have failed to convince me that mere money/goons can somehow delay a revolution.  Revolutions are not delayed by such trivialities, IMO.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:41 | 6328639 TBT or not TBT
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Revolutions in countries with a "resource curse" are prevented by a vicious and pervasive and motivated and well funded security apparatus.    Which will now be even better funded and more pervasive.  The Shah had such an apparatus and wimped out when he should have unleashed it.   Carter's USA pressured him not to crack down and he folded.   Enormous tragic error for most of the Iranian people.   

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:47 | 6328729 Uchtdorf
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If 3% of all anti-mullah regime males took a butcher knife into the local govt office and stabbed the top guy to death, would that make a difference?

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 10:23 | 6329295 Grimaldus
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Not many people realize super progressive assclown Jimmy Carter installed Islamic tyranny in Iran.

Later on, super progressive assclown obirdbrain tries to install the Islamic Brotherhood as rulers of Egypt.

And then super progressive assclown Hillary Clinton installs Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria, spawning the Isis caliphate.

Now, super progressive assclowns are hell bent to import as many Somalis, Syrians, Yemenis and other Islamic garbage as they can into America.

From the evidence, it is clear that state worshiping progressives and the Islamic political system (it is NOT a religion) are fellow travelers in tyranny and progressives will "bend over" for the Islamic tyranny schlong at every opportunity.

 

Grimaldus

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 04:30 | 6328899 Farqued Up
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Managed economy..... hmmm, you are onto something. Managed economies always work.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:50 | 6328538 Kina
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I don't disagree, but this is pretty much how it is in the USA. The Mullahs (Oligarchs).

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 01:17 | 6328758 trulz4lulz
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Ahhhhh but to which bank do the banksters prescribe?  Errr...I mean church...to which church do the banksters prescribe?

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:36 | 6328504 Thirtyseven
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They likely already have a couple, which is why Israhell will not attack Iran directly nor sick it's massive American/NATO attack dog upon that nation.

This is about economic sanctions.  During sanctions TPTB had no need/interest in Iran.  The lifting of sanctions indications that enough parties (or enough influential parties) have business/extortion interests in the region.  Other parties may be upset, but the "sanction-lifters" won out, at least for now.

If they want to impliment sanctions again they only have to make something up in order to get them.  Iran is supposedly "da bad guy" so it would not be hard for the government to impliment them again and use the MSM to soothe or placate the minds of the sheeple.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 07:15 | 6329055 Optimusprime
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"Implement"

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 07:39 | 6329078 Thirtyseven
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Thank you oh great leader of the Autobots!  That's one of the few words in my native language I need to work on.  At least I've got 'ridiculous' down these days, which admittedly took me awhile.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 07:16 | 6329056 Optimusprime
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"Implement"

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:31 | 6328492 Stumpy4516
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Many countries, especially in the ME, have found that the US goes out of it's way to make diplomatic nice guy efforts and displays not too long before the US attacks directly or by proxy.

Take for example - Saddam was given the green light to invade Kuwait.  Libya too.

Iran should rush to attach to China, not Russia.  And have any of those S300 or S400 anti air missiles been delivered. NO.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:48 | 6328533 Miketheterrible
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This year.  Already a signed agreement apparently has been made and cancelation of the last agreement.  Only question remains if it is indeed S-300VM or S-300PMU (which Russia does not make the latter anymore).

Thing that bothers me is going to be Iran's move.  If they will side with USA or the east.  I imagine they will side with the USA as their young people are heavily brainwashed by the ideals of USA (I speak to various Iranians on occasion).  I think Russia is going to lose out big time with Iran.  USA and China will get full advantage.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:11 | 6329114 JerseyJoe
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When the Israelis took out Rif Dimashq, the North Korean built Syrian Nuke facility without ever being detected on Russian radar, Putin had to boogie off to Teheran to do some 'splainin'.   

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 13:09 | 6329608 Stumpy4516
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Or perhaps they will never be delivered.  Always tomorrow.  Putin got to use providing the missiles as some leverage but the effect seems to be over now. 

The Soviets/Russia/Putin have a long history of abandoning or betraying their "allies", in particular those in the region of the ME and N Africa.  When Russia voted for the sanctions against Iran (some allie that Russia/Putin) it got a response from Iran's PM that Russia had or was making itself the enemy of Iran.

You correct about the young in Iran it seems, that is the same as what I have heard.  They think because they are not Arab they will be treated differently is my guess.   

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:50 | 6328539 weburke
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israel is not going to allow a palestinian state and iran deal to happen. hello war. 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:32 | 6328497 JuliaS
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Iran is a net exporter of oil and a net importer of gasoline. The very idea of Iran becoming energy independent scares the West more than the nukes.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:53 | 6328549 nmewn
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Well it is kinda weird when you think about it.

They somehow can't refine their own oil into gasoline but they're perfectly capable of refining ore into "peaceful" nuclear energy...prolly jus me tho.

Oh yeah...Death To America! ;-)

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:07 | 6328576 TBT or not TBT
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Refineries are easy targets.  The Iran-Iraq war illustrated that.    But yeah.   Note also that electricity goes out regularly, every day in Teheran, in a rolling blackout.    They have a shit ton of gas and could buy gas turbines and set them up quickly and in decentralized fashion, BUT THEY DONT.  The regime does not care about such things as 24/7 electrical service, except for its own.  

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 04:39 | 6328905 Farqued Up
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Some refineries cannot be hit, even Hitler couldn't hit the Shell complex back during the War of Versailles in the 40's. I guess it had a Roddenberry force field.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 14:51 | 6329842 The Delicate Genius
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It's like an autistic kid fell asleep listening to Fox News.

You obtuse hack - provide a shred of evidence Iran is working on a nuke.

Better still, tell us why they shouldn't have one given decades of US/Israeli violence, false flag terror and regime change...

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:47 | 6328527 Kina
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The first nuke to go off in America will probably be via a Israel believing it is losing the game.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:24 | 6328606 large_wooden_badger
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"unmarked" nukes thought to be of Egyptian origin, for starters

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:52 | 6328546 Kina
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Iran knows that this deal is only good as the current adminisration, and know that the US can never ever be trusted in its consistency.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:35 | 6328579 TBT or not TBT
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Well you'd hope so in this case. 

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 22:56 | 6328558 Oldwood
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I think it is safe to assume that no agreements signed by any leaders are for the benefit of their people, unless you are referring to the corrupt leaches profiting from it.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:23 | 6328604 large_wooden_badger
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Let them eat yellowcake

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:39 | 6328631 PrimalScream
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ZH - although you see this as part of the Great Game of Eurasia ...

and Indeed you are right, it is!

Nevertheless ... it is much more.

 

WE are looking at the moment of Collapse of all approaches to prevent Nuclear Arms Proliferation. What do you think is the logical consequence of such an endgame?  The world has grown happily confident in the notion of "Nuclear Deterrence".  I put it to you - that such a concept was at best temporarily valid.  But quite probably, it was never true.  always a delusion of Man.  And in the 21'st Century - quite likely "Nuclear Deterrence" is an outdated ideal.  And what does this mean??

It means that in the not too distant future ...  you are going to see 250,000 people turned into crisp-blackened potato.

Is this outcome so attractive?

This is the path of our future.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:38 | 6328720 squid
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But here is the problem:

If you want to remain economicaally sovern, that is to say you DON'T want Anglo-American banking interests interfering in your economy, and you want an independant foriegn policy, the only way to assure that the USA leaves you alone is to be nuclear armed.

 

Ask Sadam and Khadaffi how not being nuclear armed worked out for them.

 

Squid

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 02:56 | 6328836 smacker
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You may be right, but I rather think that the risk of nuclear war this century has less to do with Iran and more to do with the fear of it having worn off. There are people in Washington/Tel Aviv etc who think they can use limited nuke war and come out of it with minimal damage. And as the pressure rises on these fading countries, so does the risk they will do something mad.

Sat, 07/18/2015 - 23:56 | 6328661 Anunnaki
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Ask the Native Americans about the value of American Treaties

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:11 | 6328680 knukles
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Or immigraiton

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:12 | 6328685 Moccasin
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Yes, and long live the Blackfeet Confederacy, the fight continues. 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 02:52 | 6328828 Adahy
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Alasdi hia uyol!  From Muskogee country.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:17 | 6328690 farmerbraun
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We in NZ have some experience of the same.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:11 | 6328681 Moccasin
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Don't assume that congress won't screw over the deal or the next prez. The deal is far from done, any celebration is just wishful thinking, the neo-cons are not done with this yet. If Obama gets the deal though both houses, there is still nothing to say the next prez will not annul the deal by decree. The psychopaths that run our country and the psychopaths that want to run our country are predictable, they are always creating a boogeyman for war and profit. 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 09:09 | 6329185 Oldwood
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The republicans don't want to approve or disapprove anything. They are desperate to not be blamed for anything. They enjoy their position as the loyal opposition and the thought of actual power scares the shit out of them. Watch their actions. Everything they do that would represent resistance is preceded by prior actions that make that resistance futile. They have created a situation with this Iran deal where they must now muster 2/3 vote to overcome an Obama veto. Something impossible and enabled BY THEM in prior legislation. We have seen it again and again. Look at this most recent trade deal for fast track. They cannot amend it so that means that anything that Obama can lay claim to as positive will outweigh anything negative simply because the republicans will be forced to vote against "jobs for single mothers" or some other bullshit inserted into the bill. I'm so fucking tired of this shit. And we know the democrats NEED this foil to pull this shit off. I want to vote that republican MUST go home. NO votes, no nothing. If progressives were forced to carry the weight of this shit on their shoulders alone, they would NEVER be able to pull it off. They allow the republicans to participate, to retain their power and status as long as they carry the blame for everything that goes wrong...and at this point it IS their fault. Everyone is playing their role.

Capitulating TURDS!

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 12:47 | 6329556 dizzyfingers
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Voting = rubber-stamping status-quo-of-the-moment.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:23 | 6328699 petkovplamen
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first of all, there is no "war on terror" from the West/Western Europe/USA. Plently of evidence ISIS is USA/israel backed operation directed toward destibilizing the middle east especially Syria. I just dont under, ah forget it why waste my time? BS is BS.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 08:15 | 6329125 JerseyJoe
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Me likes Muzzies killing muzzies...better than what they did to by B-i-L on 9-11. 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:33 | 6328710 fowlerja
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Is this another one of those "kick the can" treaties where everyone kind of cools it for 10 years..and by that time Iran will have shaken off its financial woes and built the infrastructure to fast track the building of a nuclear weapon. 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 09:48 | 6329239 Oldwood
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Iranians don't need time to build a nuclear weapon. The technology is 60 years old. What they need is fuel. It is impossible to buy and easily traced. No one wants to sell it to them as it can always be traced back to its source if ever used. This is WHY Iran has invested SO MUCH into refinement centrifuges. To make fuel for reactors they don't yet have. Russia provides ALL the fuel for their existing needs at a far lesser cost than their own production. 150 billion in frozen funds would buy a lot of reactor fuel but virtually no highly refined BOMB fuel.

Yet every refinement facility has been secret, hidden from the international inspections, all discovered, all for peaceful purposes....

This really isn't that difficult. The US and the international community has repeatedly offered to supply Iran with unlimited reactor fuel for damned near free, yet they have refused. Instead continuing with secret fuel refinement. And now they have agreed to what? Eliminating their "publicly disclosed refineries"?

Everyone has understood that what they lacked was highly refined plutonium for a bomb, not the technology or ability to build a bomb. Now we are releasing their funds, while limiting our ability to inspect due to the technicalities of an agreement that requires Iranian approval to access these sites, of which, if the past has shown anything, have ALWAYS been SECRET.

Many may believe that Iran has the right to a bomb, and maybe they do, but that shouldn't mean that you should distort the facts in your mind so as to justify it. They are trying to obtain nuclear capabilities, exactly as North Korea did. For what its worth.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 00:37 | 6328718 Baghdad-Bob121
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Persians, Turks, Shia, and Sunni...  As one comment mentioned the evil USA is meddling here.  Don't need to, as a long time resident in the area they can do this, i.e., have wars and bombings all by themselves.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 01:00 | 6328746 Pliskin
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OOh,those pesky Iranians, why can't they be a peacful democratic nation like our allies the saudis/Israelis?

I distinctly remember after 9/11 (Remember that day, when all laws of physics went out the window?)..anyway...after 9/11 the Iranian president said;

"This is a great day for Israe..." oh wait, No, that was someone else..

Dum-dee-dumb.


Sun, 07/19/2015 - 01:15 | 6328754 pachanguero
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Here in Thailand I interact with Iranians every day.  The young people are lovers of American culture. Educated, nice and smart.  The hate the religious nuts in Iran too.  The want to be Free of that  crap religion.  The come here to drink, smoke weed and fuck t like wild.  Just like normal people.

I dated an hot Iranian girl a year ago and she loved to get drunk, watch porn and get naked.  She was just a normal girl.  She would come over, and clean my apartment and do my clothes.  She could sing every American pop song you could think of.

One thing she told me is she all Iranian girls shave their pussy becuase they love to get down on the muff.

She would text me dirty stuff and send me photos of her snatch.  She was super horny 24-7.

Don't believe the Neo-con crap and the Jewish propaganda.  Just normal folks.....

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 02:52 | 6328827 juicy_bananas
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And then you woke up ... in a puddle.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 13:19 | 6329631 pachanguero
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Funny I always get that "Thank you for your service" crap when people find out I'm a Vet. What that means or translates to is

"glad you served and I did'nt have to" And I' sure some are really  thankfull. 

But when I tell them that Gerge Bush and Obama are war criminal and the Jews use us as whores they get really pissed.

Then when I mention that I live in Thailand and date HOT women half my age the "Christians" get freaked out.

That's becuase the are stuck with some fat, nasty cunt they can't divorce and all they have in youporn, booze and food to take

away the pain of the American bitches.

Of course they would forget all that "Jesus" bullshit if they could have ONE night here where men are men and WE run the show.

So they down vote me in anger.

Well too bad ass clowns!  I'm an free of your shit show in Amerika.

As my daughters tell me I am living like a king.  

So down vote me if you want but I have three kids who are hard core Libertarian, gun toting, Ron Paul voting WOMEN!

Who love it that I live a booze/dope free life and run 5 miles a day so I can bang the hell out of HOT women.

And they are the only people who matter to me.

So go ahead and down vote me.  

Then we can see how many of you pussy mother fuckers WISH you where me.  ha ha ha

 

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 15:38 | 6330022 FredFlintstone
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You will get to an age when pussy does not do much for you. It happens to the best of us.

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 03:11 | 6328846 bid the soldier...
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yup

Just normal folks.....

unlike abnormal you

Sun, 07/19/2015 - 03:31 | 6328867 DutchBoy2015
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When I was in Tehran on business in 2004, I spoke with some Iranian Jews.  They hate the ZioNaziis of Israel.

Never reported in USA media is that there are Jews in Iranian Parliament.  Real Jews not Khazars.

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