Trumpism: The Ideology

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Jeffrey Tucker via Liberty.me,

It’s not too interesting to say that Donald Trump is a nationalist and aspiring despot who is manipulating bourgeois resentment, nativism, and ignorance to feed his power lust. It’s uninteresting because it is obviously true. It’s so true that stating it sounds more like an observation than a criticism.

I just heard Trump speak live. It was an awesome experience, like an interwar séance of once-powerful dictators who inspired multitudes, drove countries into the ground, and died grim deaths.

His speech at FreedomFest lasted a full hour, and I consider myself fortunate for having heard it. It was a magnificent exposure to an ideology that is very much present in American life, though hardly acknowledged. It lives mostly hidden in dark corners, and we don’t even have a name for it. You bump into it at neighborhood barbecues, at Thanksgiving dinner when Uncle Harry has the floor, at the hardware store when two old friends in line to checkout mutter about the state of the country.

The ideology is a 21st century version of right fascism — one of the most politically successful ideological strains of 20th century politics. Though hardly anyone talks about it today, we really should. It is still real. It exists. It is distinct. It is not going away. Trump has tapped into it, absorbing unto his own political ambitions every conceivable bourgeois resentment: race, class, sex, religion, economic. You would have to be hopelessly ignorant of modern history not to see the outlines and where they end up.

For now, Trump seems more like comedy than reality. I want to laugh about what he said, like reading a comic-book version of Franco, Mussolini, or Hitler. And truly I did laugh, as when he denounced the existence of tech support in India that serves American companies (“how can it be cheaper to call people there than here?” — as if he still thinks that long-distance charges apply).

Let’s hope this laughter doesn’t turn to tears.

As an aside, I mean no criticism of FreedomFest’s organizer Mark Skousen in allowing Trump to speak at this largely libertarian gathering. Mark invited every Republican candidate to address the 2,200-plus crowd. Only two accepted. Moreover, Mark is a very savvy businessman himself, and this conference operates on a for-profit basis. He does not have the luxury of giving the microphone to only people who pass the libertarian litmus test. His goal is to put on display the ideas that matter in our time and assess them by the standards of true liberty.

In my view, it was a brilliant decision to let him speak. Lovers of freedom need to confront the views of a man with views like this. What’s more, of all the speeches I heard at FreedomFest, I learned more from this one than any other. I heard, for the first time in my life, what a modern iteration of a consistently statist but non-leftist outlook on politics sounds and feels like in our own time. And I watched as most of the audience undulated between delight and disgust — with perhaps only 10% actually cheering his descent into vituperative anti-intellectualism. That was gratifying.

As of this writing, Trump is leading in the polls in the Republican field. He is hated by the media, which is a plus for the hoi polloi in the GOP. He says things he should not, which is also a plus for his supporters. He is brilliant at making belligerent noises rather than having worked out policy plans. He knows that real people don’t care about the details; they only want a strongman who shares their values. He makes fun of the intellectuals, of course, as all populists must do. Along with this penchant, Trump encourages a kind of nihilistic throwing out of rationality in favor of a trust in his own genius. And people respond, as we can see.

So, what does Trump actually believe? He does have a philosophy, though it takes a bit of insight and historical understanding to discern it. Of course race baiting is essential to the ideology, and there was plenty of that. When a Hispanic man asked a question, Trump interrupted him and asked if he had been sent by the Mexican government. He took it a step further, dividing blacks from Hispanics by inviting a black man to the microphone to tell how his own son was killed by an illegal immigrant.

Because Trump is the only one who speaks this way, he can count on support from the darkest elements of American life. He doesn’t need to actually advocate racial homogeneity, call for a whites-only sign to be hung at immigration control, or push for expulsion or extermination of undesirables. Because such views are verboten, he has the field alone, and he can count on the support of those who think that way by making the right noises.

Trump also tosses little bones to the Christian Right, enough to allow them to believe that he represents their interests. Yes, it’s implausible and hilarious. But the crowd who looks for this is easily won with winks and nudges, and those he did give. At the speech I heard, he railed against ISIS and its war against Christians, pointing out further than he is a Presbyterian and thus personally affected every time ISIS beheads a Christian. This entire section of his speech was structured to rally the nationalist Christian strain that was the bulwark of support for the last four Republican presidents.

But as much as racialist and religious resentment is part of his rhetorical apparatus, it is not his core. His core is about business, his own business and his acumen thereof. He is living proof that being a successful capitalist is no predictor of one’s appreciation for an actual free market (stealing not trading is more his style). It only implies a love of money and a longing for the power that comes with it. Trump has both.

What do capitalists on his level do? They beat the competition. What does he believe he should do as president? Beat the competition, which means other countries, which means wage a trade war. If you listen to him, you would suppose that the U.S. is in some sort of massive, epochal struggle for supremacy with China, India, Malaysia, and, pretty much everyone else in the world.

It takes a bit to figure out what the heck he could mean. He speaks of the United States as if it were one thing, one single firm. A business. “We” are in competition with “them,” as if the U.S. were IBM competing against Samsung, Apple, or Dell. “We” are not 300 million people pursuing unique dreams and ideas, with special tastes or interests, cooperating with people around the world to build prosperity. “We” are doing one thing, and that is being part of one business.

In effect, he believes that he is running to be the CEO of the country — not just of the government (as Ross Perot once believed) but of the entire country. In this capacity, he believes that he will make deals with other countries that cause the U.S. to come out on top, whatever that could mean. He conjures up visions of himself or one of his associates sitting across the table from some Indian or Chinese leader and making wild demands that they will buy such and such amount of product else “we” won’t buy their product.

Yes, it’s bizarre. As Nick Gillespie said, he has a tenuous grasp on reality. Trade theory from hundreds of years plays no role in his thinking at all. To him, America is a homogenous unit, no different from his own business enterprise. With his run for president, he is really making a takeover bid, not just for another company to own but for an entire country to manage from the top down, under his proven and brilliant record of business negotiation, acquisition, and management.

You see why the whole speech came across as bizarre? It was. And yet, maybe it was not. In the 18th century, there is a trade theory called mercantilism that posited something similar: ship the goods out and keep the money in. It builds up industrial cartels that live at the expense of the consumer. In the 19th century, this penchant for industrial protectionism and mercantilism became guild socialism, which mutated later into fascism and then into Nazism. You can read Mises to find out more on how this works.

What’s distinct about Trumpism, and the tradition of thought it represents, is that it is non-leftist in its cultural and political outlook and yet still totalitarian in the sense that it seeks total control of society and economy and places no limits on state power. The left has long waged war on bourgeois institutions like family, church, and property. In contrast, right fascism has made its peace with all three. It (very wisely) seeks political strategies that call on the organic matter of the social structure and inspire masses of people to rally around the nation as a personified ideal in history, under the leadership of a great and highly accomplished man.

Trump believes himself to be that man.

He sounds fresh, exciting, even thrilling, like a man with a plan and a complete disregard for the existing establishment and all its weakness and corruption. This is how strongmen take over countries. They say some true things, boldly, and conjure up visions of national greatness under their leadership. They’ve got the flags, the music, the hype, the hysteria, the resources, and they work to extract that thing in many people that seeks heroes and momentous struggles in which they can prove their greatness.

Think of Commodus (161-192 AD) in his war against the corrupt Roman senate. His ascension to power came with the promise of renewed Rome. What he brought was inflation, stagnation, and suffering. Historians have usually dated the fall of Rome from his leadership. Or, if you prefer pop culture, think of Bane, the would-be dictator of Gotham in Batman, who promises an end to democratic corruption, weakness, and loss of civic pride. He sought a revolution against the prevailing elites in order to gain total power unto himself.

These people are all the same. They are populists. Oh how they love the people, and how they hate the establishment. They defy all civic conventions. Their ideology is somewhat organic to the nation, not a wacky import like socialism. They promise greatness. They have an obsession with the problem of trade and mercantilist belligerence as the only solution. They have zero conception of the social order as a complex and extended ordering of individual plans, one that functions through freedom and individual rights.

This is a dark history and I seriously doubt that Trump himself is aware of it. Instead, he just makes it up as he goes along, speaking from his gut. This penchant has always served him well. It cannot serve a whole nation well. Indeed, the very prospect is terrifying, and not just for the immigrant groups and imports he has chosen to scapegoat for all the country’s problems. It’s a disaster in waiting for everyone.

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Atomizer's picture

Are you a liberal about to lose taypayer entitlements? 

Arthur Schopenhauer's picture

If you are truly confident in that appraisal of your own abilitiies, then it would behoove you to Dump the Trump.

Atomizer's picture

Wait until your EBT Card doesn't get reactivated. If you ask nicely, will send some money to help you. 

That's how we operate in the Republic of America.  

Arthur Schopenhauer's picture

Most of us have never even thought about a stinkin' EBT card. We make our money, invest our money and live our lives according to whats considered to be solid moral underpinnings.

Inferring someone depends on EBT cards or welfare because they don't like Donald Trump is bullshit....

So go phuck yersef.

Atomizer's picture

After a little debate in fight club, we think somewhat a like. 

Let me correct the faggot perception you portray yourself on Political Correctness websites. We state the following. Go Fuck Yourself. 

Not a pansy cloning to hide your girly homosexual feelings.

"So go phuck yersef."

 

 

Atomizer's picture

Vote for Hillary who is hated by the media. Collect your free liberal shit. Or vote Jeb Bush who's passive as a koala bear. Enough of this dynasty bullshit. 

Duc888's picture

 

 

The author is this piece sounds like a real fucking whiner.

Atomizer's picture

George Soros employee. 

gregga777's picture

I'll very happily celebrate George Soros' death-day annually.

AustrianJim's picture

Terrific (and scary) analysis.

LetsGetPhysical's picture

Nativist = American who doesn't want their job taken by a H1B visa immigrant. And in some case that poor sap must train the alien usurper. This article is pure dogshit and ZH is starting (???) to become a controlled opposition mind fuck.  ......and lastly no offense, but if Ron Paul wasn't such a soft ass pussy he'd probably be president. 

lost money's picture

Paul is a moron and a hyporite. we need him like a hole in the head

Skip's picture

Well Donald Trump isn't a Savior or anything but he is the best guy running for the GOP nomination. He at least has brought to NATIONAL attention a topic previously BANNED by the Media Bosses.

America’s Cultural Marxists Huff, Puff—Try To Shut Down Trump, Immigration Debate By Peter Brimelow, former Executive Editor, Forbes magazine 07.13.2015

Social Justice Warriors in the Democratic/ Main Stream Media complex are trying the same technique on the GOP over the Confederate Battle Flag (successfully) and on Donald Trump over his mentioning hatefacts about Mexican immigration (unsuccessfully so far).

But the bottom line: Cultural Marxist totalitarianism is coming to an America near you. In fact, it’s already here:

WALLINGFORD — Local police received a complaint when a shopper discovered Nazi and Confederate merchandise at a popular flea market last weekend, according to Chief William Wright.

An officer responded to the Redwood Flea Market on South Turnpike Road Sunday to investigate the report and found Nazi and Confederate memorabilia for sale. He told the complainant, who is Jewish, there was nothing police could do because the merchandise was on private property.

Wallingford police look into complaint about Nazi, Confederate items sold at flea market, by Mary Ellen Godin, Meriden Record-Journal, July 10, 2015

Putting aside the extraordinary level of interpersonal aggression that would cause someone to feel entitled to impose his personal preferences on a scene that could have been found at any American country fair for over half a century, consider the fact that the police felt obliged to respond—and to suggest that they would have taken action if the flea market had been on public property i.e. a town fair ground.

Obamacrats Stay With No-Borders/Kidinvasion Stratagem. GOP Leadership Stays Bribed

The Obamacrat No Borders policy and cynical exploitation of American kindness and sentimentalism using the Kidinvasion stratagem is continuing full swing.
Essentially U.S. Border Officials have become travel expeditors. Further encouraging more invaders even the possibility of detention is being shut down

It should not be forgotten that none of these burdens on the American taxpayer would be here if the Treason Lobby had not prevented the building of an Israeli-style border fence.

Immigration War veterans will not be surprised at the obscurity of these news sources. The MSM has exercised its prerogative to decide the 2015 Kidinvasion being promoted by the Obama Administration is Not News.
Nor will they be surprised that there is a resounding silence from the GOP Congressional Establishment.

The most plausible reason for this objectively weird behavior is corruption. I pointed this out in December in Why Has GOP Leadership Spurned Base, Election And Constitution? Severe ADD (Adelson Dollar Disorder)!. They have been paid off to connive at the immivasion of America plus whatever leftist social engineering catches the fancy of the big Donors.

And they are staying bought.

TradingTroll's picture

Naziism does not equal Hitler.  Naziism is at least as much a political system as that fraud Islam is a religion. Islam is just a theocracy.People need to log off Facebook and Tinder and do some reading.

 

 

diamond dog's picture

LOL!  

Is this Liberty.me blog for real  or a hoax?  I got about halfway through and could not stop laughing!  Horrors - we are in the process of creating a new Mussolini, Stalin, or Hitler!  Ha ha ha ha ha ......like things are going so great now.  

I talk with my 83 year old mother regularly  Today, I talked with my 60-something neighbors.  They both sound like 1776-1787 rebels.  Something has been unleashed in our land.  We will see where it goes but this poster and all of the establishment politicians hiding and screaming how unfair and dangerous this is will only make the backlash more exponential than it already is. The sleeping masses are awakening thanks to our savior Obama!  

 

 

Billy the Poet's picture

Tucker is an avowed anarchist. Kind of puts your rebellious neighbors in perspective, doesn't it? Voting for a media savvy billionaire is not the equivalent of wintering at Valley Forge.

Why don't you check out Tucker's blog, his support for private property, his distaste for the police state and his criticism of socialism. You could learn far more from him than from a reality TV Presidential wannabe.

 

theyjustcantstop's picture

maybe trump can make it an election between the people riding in the wagon, and those pulling it.

 

shovelhead's picture

The riders vote as a solid bloc if they vote at all.

It's the pullers is where a lot of confusion exists. A lot of pullers are happy to vote for more riders without thinking through the consequences.

diamond dog's picture

I have to add one more thing.  Does this poster think Jeb! will save us all? 

Billy the Poet's picture

Tucker is an anarchist. Anarchists believe that each individual is responsible for himself. It's Trump supporters and not Jeff Tucker who want a nanny to look out for them.

Icelandicsaga...............................................'s picture

And a archists tend to magical thinking..given human nature and history the only place anarchy will work is among men who are near perfect...how does one force or make the perfect man whose nature will allow live and let live....short of second coming ..the perfect man will never exist...forget live and let live..arrogant and full of hubris isvthe average anar hist who runs to south america taking others wiyh him only to discover the next generation is not knterested... and wants what the anarchist has. No getting around human nature...not unless there is a quantu leap in mans psyche

 

 

Icelandicsaga...............................................'s picture

And a archists tend to magical thinking..given human nature and history the only place anarchy will work is among men who are near perfect...how does one force or make the perfect man whose nature will allow live and let live....short of second coming ..the perfect man will never exist...forget live and let live..arrogant and full of hubris isvthe average anar hist who runs to south america taking others wiyh him only to discover the next generation is not knterested... and wants what the anarchist has. No getting around human nature...not unless there is a quantu leap in mans psyche

 

 

JR's picture

In journalism, this article is what’s known as a hit piece. It is designed to blanket the subject with gross innuendos, inaccuracies and vile opinion disguised as information.

Frankly, Trumpism is not just found by bumping into Uncle Harry at Thanksgiving; Trumpism happens to have bumped into the previously sleeping base of the Republican Party.

Those percentage point gains by Trump against the entire field of Republican candidates are a signal that this man is talking truth and his opponents are talking out of the side of their mouths.

There’s only one way to evaluate the Trump phenomenon at this point and it is not to encircle his entire persona; it is to identify the explosive issue of immigration coming from Mexico and others crossing an open border into America.

What could be wrong with identifying an issue that Americans feel strongly about? I’ll tell you what’s wrong. The author of this piece, which should never have appeared on Zero Hedge, has a candidate in mind for his support. And it is frightening to consider which one of this sorry crowd it might be.

I am for truth breaking out; apparently this guy isn’t.

diamond dog's picture

I just have to add another one more tidbit and then I am done.  Obama and his minions are right now scouring the land from sea-to-shining-sea looking for lily-white neighborhoods to dump upstanding, patriotic Section 8 citizens with their Obamaphones and other indiosyncracies into.  Is this liberty?  Would Trump possibly do something worse than to destroy millions of Americans property values, quality of life, and possibly, the rape and death of their children, as Obama is now doing?  Or how about millions of more Muslims with their disaffected, depressed 2nd and 3rd generations that are more than willing to lash out at the Great Satan from within?

JR's picture

I like what you say, diamond dog, but I think we all have to be careful of this mantra that the Muslims are the primary domestic threat to the United States - with Fox News and the neocons actually suggesting that Muslims are taking over the country. But, in truth, the major government positions, the bureaucracy, the universities, the foundations, the Congress, the media, the columnists, Wall Street, and the educational establishment are all in the hands of…practically no Muslims. In fact, many of these positions, from the nation’s top financial positions to the media to corporate control, are held by Jews.

And it’s ironic that it is the Jews and Israel who have Muslims as their primary enemy. We are being sucked into dangerous war-hysteria propaganda which will not serve our country well.

As for Muslims, Wikipedia reports that “native-born American Muslims are mainly African Americans who make up about a quarter of the total Muslim population. Many of these have converted to Islam during the last seventy years. Conversion to Islam in large urban areas[4] has also contributed to its growth over the years.”

Wiki, adds, “Islam was followed by 0.9% of the population in 2010.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States

gimme soma dat's picture

Muslims target young black men who have grown up being told they are victims and hating white people.  The facebook page of the Muslim guy in Oklahoma who beheaded his coworker was an interesting read.  In the span of about a year he went from annoying misspelled ghetto posts about life in da hood to praising the 9/11 attacks and talking about how women should dress and act. 

Arthur Schopenhauer's picture

Right wingers automatically call anyone who doesn't agree with their views a communist.

lost money's picture

and left wingers automatically call anyone who disgrees with them a Nazi, so what's your point?

Arthur Schopenhauer's picture

Naziism is perfectly acceptable to the right wing.

The truth is: if a commie showed up at democrat's door the democrat would probably shoot the commie's ass. If a nazi showed up at a republican's door the republican would invite the nazi in for a cup of coffee and say... "tell me more!"

Welcome to ZH and other similar websites, where if you don't just love everything the righties stand for, you are classified a commie, which is utter bullshit.

JR's picture

The boot stomping on the German face, albeit Jewish, is American-made.

The favorable double standard afforded 70 years of Stalinism versus 10 years of Hitlerism was created by Jewish and liberal support for Lenin, Stalin and the Bolshevist Movement. Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote in The Gulag Archipelago, “In that same period (referring to 1945-1966)”:

"… eighty-six thousand Nazi criminals had been convicted in West Germany. (Meanwhile, in East Germany, nothing of the sort is to be heard. Which means that they have been shod with new shoes; they are valued in the service of the state.) And still we choke with anger here [in the Soviet Union]. ...We even stay after work to attend protest meetings and vote: Too few! Eighty-six thousand are too few. And twenty years is still too little! It must go on and on. And during the same period, in our own country (according to the reports of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court) about ten men have been convicted.... Meanwhile, if we translate 86,000 West Germans into our own terms, on the basis of comparative population figures, it would become one quarter million (175-176)."

Germans must, as Robert Hickson said, resist this "very hostile, strategic psychological warfare now still being conducted against their culture and way of life!"

lost money's picture

This stupid article can be summed up as Trump equals Hitler. IOW, another stupid article presented by ZH

loveyajimbo's picture

This Tucker clown sounds like a guy with his nose FAR up Hillaroid's culo.  Does he really think that Hillary or Jeb (fanmilies are very close, they imported lots of H together) would be better for America?  I like Rand and maybe Cruz, if I could get past his Goldman Sachs wife... but if they fail... bring on Trump.  He doesn't like parasite illegals or McLame?  BFD.

Tall Tom's picture

Got some news for you...Trump and Hitlery are pals.

 

Trump supported the US Senator from New York, Hitlery Clinton.

 

Who's nose is up who's ass

 

BOTH OF THEM ARE ASSHOLE LICKERS

Tall Tom's picture

NEVER, EVER ket the facts get in the way of the narrative.

 

Hitlery was a guest at Trump's last wedding.

 

Trump has been a NAJOR CONTRIBUTOR to the Clinton Foundation.

 

Bill Clinton plys golf with Trump.

 

Trump declares that the Clinton Presendency was the best of the last fiour, against that of even GHW Bush...

 

http://www.9news.com/video/4346547643001/1/Trumps-Weird-Friendship-With-The-Clintons-Seems-To-Be-Over

 

Junk away as yu do NOT CHANGE the TRUTH.

 

You dishonest fucks are going to be so deserving when the shitshow happens and it will be a pleasure to cap your ass,..amd maim you so that you have a long slow suffering demise and death.

Jorgen's picture

"Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer."

 

Tall Tom's picture

I did not know that Trump has already sold out for the Middle East's Islamic ideology.

 

That is where that line originated. It is a standard tactic by warring tribes of Middle Easterners.

 

So you are Islamic?

 

Well great.

 

Allah ackhbar to you mutherfukker!!!

Jorgen's picture

Actually, I was alluding to Francis Coppola's Godfather II. Using your (twisted I must say) logic - does it make Francis Coppola, Marlon Brando or Al Pacino Muslims? By the same token, if I call someone a 'schmuck', will it make me Jewish, too?

bid the soldiers shoot's picture

pero

 when the shitshow happens 

According to my program, we've already seen 4 acts of the shitshow and only have one act left to go.

The one where somebody says:

O proud debt,. What feast is toward in thine eternal cell,. That thou so many princes at a shot. So bloodily hast struck?

ItsDanger's picture

THis article loses on multiple fronts.  e.g. 'trade war' portion, obviously his vague platform to date on international trade is not practical due to multinational corporations today and bi-lateral trading patterns BUT this does not apply to all corporations or countries.  There are many where this may be applicable to an extent.  To dismiss this idea as 'trumpism' is knee jerk journalsim

gregga777's picture

The criminal elites and their governments and corporations no longer even try to disguise their criminality. That goes for government agencies, the US government, banks, media, financials, airlines, etc. I truly hate them all and I will rejoice when they reap the whirlwind of revolution. Fuck them all. No mercy, no quarter.

JR's picture

Speaking of Trumpism, here’s one for our favorite warmonger, John McCain:

Says Trump: “He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

Billy the Poet's picture
Donald Trump Ignores Draft Deferment Questions After Criticizing McCain, Vietnam

 

Back in 2011, when Trump first considered a run at the White House before the 2012 election between President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt RomneyThe Smoking Gun shredded his ambiguous story about having a “high draft number” to shreds when they found and published his multiple deferment records. Turns out Trump received four student deferments and one medical release from serving in the military at the time, according to records and not his memory of the time:

 

http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-ignores-draft-deferment-ques...

dexter_morgan's picture

And that makes him different than Jebbie, Hitlery, or any of the others how?

Billy the Poet's picture

So you support Trump because he's the same as Jeb and Hillary?

dexter_morgan's picture

No, I'm saying people need to be more consistent in their criticisms. I don't 'support' Trump, but I like some of the things he is forcing discussion on, like immigration. BUT, that is probably going help Hitlery by firing up hispanics to register and vote in the 2016 election, so overall a negative.

See my latest comment at top of thread. I'm just trying to figure out why he, since he is no better/worse than Hitlery or Jebbie, draws these types of venomous criticisms when they don't.

Would he really be worse than either of the front runners given that he isn't beholden to any donors?

 

Billy the Poet's picture

"draws these types of venomous criticisms when they don't."

 

But they do get massive criticism, especially Hillary.

 

 

"he isn't beholden to any donors?"

 

Then why is he hitting up Sheldon Adelson for support?

 

Nobody but Donald Trump will save Israel. You are wasting your time with these politicians and political clowns. Best!

 

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/592698043629215746 

 

 

dexter_morgan's picture

But they do get massive criticism, especially Hillary.

Are you fucking kidding me? Based on her record of incompetence and criminality she should be IN PRISON for fucks sake, not the candidate to beat for 2016.

I think you showed your hand there my friend. Thats called a tell in poker.

Fucking Hitlery...........yeah, that media darling gets taken to the woodshed all the time.

Billy the Poet's picture

I think you showed your hand there my friend. Thats called a tell in poker.

Fucking Hitlery...........yeah, that media darling gets taken to the woodshed all the time.

 

I don't watch TV news like you do so I have no idea what goes on there. But I see people here call her "Hitlery" and I consider that to be criticism.  Unless you are going to claim that you are not criticizing Hillary by calling her "Hitlery" then I don't understand why you think I've "shown my hand." So show us your hand, are you critical of Hillary Clinton or not? Is there or is there not a massive amount of criticism of Hillary Clinton on websites generating billions of page views?

It's sad to think that you really believe that there are only two kinds of people, Trump people and Hillary people. You think I must be one or the other. But guess what, I don't like either one. I can see your jaw drop in disbelief but it is possible. Some people come to their own conclusions without consulting television.

Clowns on Acid's picture

Yo Billy - 'Tis a pity that the Media was not deven 10% as agressive with their investigative journalism with Obama as they were with Trump or Bush....

Now thnk again and adjust your comment.

Billy the Poet's picture

The media and government are socially engineering a clueless and compliant population. That's the game. It has nothing to do with any agenda or set of principles other than the maintenance and growth of power for the status quo. Obama, Bush, Trump and the others all willingly play their parts in this charade. The elites intend that you pick a side and focus on these puppets while the real power grows unchecked.

Now think independently for the first time and adjust your servility.