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New Obama Initiative To Ban Guns For Some Social Security Recipients, Veterans, And Disabled
Submitted by Brandon Turbeville via ActivistPost.com,
Whenever one thinks the Obama administration’s war on the Second Amendment couldn’t get any more insane, Barack Obama prances onto the stage to prove everyone wrong yet again.
This time, it is not merely a carefully planned and orchestrated jig on the graves of mass shooting victims or pathetic whining about “gun crime” and the amount of time he must give regarding the issue. It is a push to ban a large number of Social Security benefits recipients from owning guns.
That’s correct. When the Obama administration can’t get its way by attacking gun owners head on, it merely turns to extorting the elderly and disabled whom it holds hostage via their need to receive Social Security benefits – benefits I might add, that are owed to them.
Thus, the Obama administration is pushing to prohibit Social Security benefit recipients from owning firearms if they “lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs,” a move which the Los Angeles Times reports would affect millions of people whose disability payments – for one reason or another – are handled by other people.
The idea is to bring the Social Security Administration under the jurisdiction of laws that regulate who gets reported to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), a database that was initially supposed to pertain to illegal immigrants, drug addicts, and felons.
Of course, it should be pointed out that, with the exception of illegal immigrants, prohibiting American citizens who are not confined to a prison cell from owning weapons is itself unconstitutional. Clearly, the push to add the Social Security Administration and thus millions of SS recipients under this new policy is unconstitutional as well.
Nevertheless, it is difficult to remember a time when a Presidential administration even pretended to be concerned with what the US Constitution had to say about anything.
As the Los Angeles Times reports,
A potentially large group within Social Security are people who, in the language of federal gun laws, are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease."
There is no simple way to identify that group, but a strategy used by the Department of Veterans Affairs since the creation of the background check system is reporting anyone who has been declared incompetent to manage pension or disability payments and assigned a fiduciary.
If Social Security, which has never participated in the background check system, uses the same standard as the VA, millions of its beneficiaries would be affected. About 4.2 million adults receive monthly benefits that are managed by "representative payees."
The move is part of a concerted effort by the Obama administration after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn., to strengthen gun control, including by plugging holes in the background check system.
The Obama Administration and Social Security Administration have been crafting this new policy in relative secret. Finally informed about the issue, the National Rifle Association and the National Council on Disability are both opposing the initiative, the latter in opposition due to the fact that millions of disabled Americans will have their rights eviscerated as a result of this policy. Of the many enrolled who may be affected, disabled veterans are among the high risk category for having their Second Amendment violated.
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Of course. When all the old farts lose that Social Security, then....AND MAYBE FINALLLY THEN.....the guns will come out.
Saw that episode on South Park...lol.
State collecting of personal information... what is possible go wrong!?
The "long game" involved here is to force people to "prove" that they are psychologically healthy enough to own firearms.
This will involve being interviewed by government licensed psychiatrist who will of course refuse to certify anybody.
Of course Barry will have secret service protection for the next 30 years, what does he care
And grandma can get straight up gangsta when shes got that cold steel in her hands
Not certain any member of the SS would be willing to take a bullet for him.
Just sayin...
It will be illegal to have both an AARP and NRA membership at the same time
This proposal really puts John McCain's "Crazies" comment into sharper focus now doesn't it??
Because teh we is mentally deficient (and needed a Bitcoin fiduciary) we stock up on pre-1899 firearms as they are just C&R under the law.
One of the effects of this order will be to reduce the number of firearms inherited by the heirs of disabled gun owners. That old shotgun passed down from grandpa can't be traced so they're working on ways to eliminate that possibility. Gun buy backs also reduce the number of these untraceable firearms.
self protection will be outlawed.http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/421389/attention-americas-suburbs-y...
Do the oldsters really need guns? And what about the vets? I think not. I applaud General Obama.
Vets don't need guns because they know how to use them
Fucking hilarious!
Obozo just boosted firearms makers share prices and doubled the value of the rusty Hi-Point I found at the range..
But the grips are good!
And I can't wait for gun makers to come out with moar brightly colored guns to appeal to all those able minded young gun buyers who think they're in a real video game!
Yeah.. It's MUCH safer to sell guns to video game addicts than feeble senile OLD people who are moar often home invasion victims.
Yep.. makes a lot of sense....
I'm telling every old fart I meet about this shit and to go get themselves a nice revolver for home and car.. Like a 9mm 7 shot S&W.. with lots of extra moon clips..
And FUCK GLOCK!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEswkc4lPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA8hK32JRRw
those videos are retarded. I completely understand if people don't like glocks, to each his own, but just because he is too big of a vag to rack the slide because it is 'slick' and he has little girl hands too small for the grip doesn't mean glock sucks. Im more of a sig guy myself, but for the money you can't beat one for reliability. No matter what you may think of them cosmetically, they go bang, every time
"marked subnormal intelligence"
This will make it illegal for Joey Biden, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi to own guns. Fortunately for them they get to use their "marked subnormal intelligence" to order the people using guns to protect them to shoot others.
Of course - very smart move, take the arms from the hands of the social categories which are most/very likely the first ones to protest and revolt when SHTF. Also, it proves that the SHTF is a considered a certitude and there are real preparations to deal with it.
Yo! How 'bout banning Thugs, EBT'ers, Escalade drivers, criminals and illegals from owning guns?
That might work out better.
Bobby Sumner, that you?
Just to bring it back home...Many Americans (young and old) don't have their gun necessarily for property protection but to GUARD AGAINST LAWLESS GOVERNMENT TYRANNY
And you know what else is pathetic...Social Security is OUR MONEY!! WE PUT THAT IN THERE WITH OUR WAGES, NOT THE GOVERNMENT!
>from owning firearms if they “lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs< Well, that covers most of the Obummer admin, half of gov employees, and all of the "Free Shit Army"!!!!
"Social Security is OUR MONEY!! WE PUT THAT IN THERE WITH OUR WAGES, NOT THE GOVERNMENT!"
Just to clarify, we put our money in there and the politicians stole it and left us a pile of .gov IOUs.
Social Security is "their money". "They" printed it, and then "we" worked for it, then "we" didn't put it in there - "they" forced us to. Then "they" looted it, but actually, not really, it was a ponzi to begin with.
Fixed it for you.
Enjoy yourselves, slaves.
Social Security is a tax period. There is no contract to pay you back, there is no annuity or account setup for you. If you recieve payments from social secutiry it is called a gratuity from Congress, End of story. It is another form of buying votes. If you leave your bartender big gratuities they are more likley to give you better future service, if you leave old people gratuties they are more likely to vote for the status quo.
..."the politicians stole it and left us a pile of .gov IOUs"
Sounds like the plot of Dumb & Dumber... laughable if it weren't true
Who and of what ideology do you think own the gov't lock, stock, and barrel.
AARP brought you Obama/SCOTUS/ communist care, the NRA is the only thing left to take it away.
Just a friendly reminder, AARP supported bailing out the banksters in 2008. That is why their shit goes straight from my mailbox to the garbage.
They want to create a Catch-22: You cannot own firearms if you are crazy. If you want to own firearms, you must be crazy and therefore not allowed to own firearms.
This. Every gunowner will annually be compelled to head off to the .gov-paid/certified head shrinker for some gentle re-education regarding gun ownership. All questions MUST be answered, or 'No gun for you'. A few of these traitors will be shot, at which point, all the .gov-licensed headshrinkers will either be asked to carry a gun or be provided a DHS 'security' detail. Good times ahead. Whatcha gonna be, a slave or a killer???
"Lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs,”
Dang! thar goes the whole darned Nation!!!!
Zactly.
I mean WTF are we talking about here and why are we even lending credence to the bizarre ravings of a lunatic?
"Lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs."
This coming from the asshole who loves spending more than is taken in every year and counting.
Who's answer to people being killed in a church by a hateful little prick is to remove a flag instead of allowing them to "legally" protect themselves while in a church. Who thinks a "No Guns Allowed" sign is an effective deterrent.
At almost the same time turning on "rainbow lights" at "the peoples house" as some indication that he will use the force of law against the very same church or any persons who hold a differing view of what marriage is.
Microaggressions and pussy pouches for everyone!
"Designer Rachel Feinberg was sitting on a packed New York train one day when she was struck by something: all the women around her were sitting with their legs crossed or tightly closed, while all the men were spread out, taking up as much room as they damn well pleased, and centering focus on their crotches with wild abandon."
http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/18/these-pussy-pouch-bags-are-the-best-reaction-to-manspreading-weve-ever-seen-5302119/#ixzz3gWFHlGbx
Fucking unreal.
next up: a ban on people who are on any kind of SSRI from owning a gun. a HUGE number of recent veterans are doped to the gills on them, and the last group of people the govt wants having guns is a bunch of pissed of vets who are, in ever greater numbers, figuring out the were lied to.
also, the way disablility works when getting out is you try to convince the army docs that you are crazy from PTSD so you get a check every month forever. Its not going to take a great leap of the imagination to sell to a lot of people the idea that if you are 'crazy' enough to get disability checks for mental disorders every month and a bunch of mind altering drugs from the VA, you shouldn't be owning firearms.
This would bar several million more people, people who really know how to use a gun, from owning them.
They are doing the same with any medicinal MJ....you sign up and the fine print signs away your second amendment rights...
illegal and unconstitutional of course, like that matters even presenting the facade to the general public any longer...
I see the brick wall, its peeking out from behind the curtain.
This same president that thinks killing a 16 year old American citizen as collateral damage is ok.
I'd bet he'd be singing a different tune if it was Sasha started hanging with the wrong people and got killed.
Attn Secret Service: this is not a threat. I think both killings would be/are wrong.
The Mental Deficiency Act 1913 was an act of Parliament of the United Kingdom which made provisions for the institutional treatment of people deemed to be "feeble-minded" and "moral defectives".
Proposed: The Mental/Political Deficiency Act 2016 is proposed act of The Congress of the United States which will make provisions for the institutional treatment and/or suspension of constitutional rights, of people deemed to be "feeble-minded", "moral defectives" and "politically challenged".
Channelling George Bernard Shaw and Margaret Sanger.
...as the statists always do...
"politically challenged", uh-oh...
That would be anybody whot touched on a cospiracy...
Pick a group that has nothing to lose, piss them off, get a reaction, and then use the reaction to justify a ban on everything. Pretty easy, really.
Whenever crisis arise, clamor for need government help, is always first look to action of state...
"Necessity is cry of tyrant, is mantra of slave"
See you in a FEMA camp. We will make some moonshine out of piss and orange peals. If there will be no oranges - we'll we will have to figure something out.
Hey, there's always this stuff.
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Jenkem
Remember, mother is the invention of necessity .....or something like that.
That's a hoax. Snopes that shit.
Snopes doesn't pass The Litmus Test. Snopes is a hoax.
Snopes doesn't pass The Litmus Test. Snopes is a hoax.
If you receive HUD housing benefits then you have already been banned from owning firearms. That has been going on for the PAST TWENTY YEARS...at least.
Now I DO NOT SUPPORT THAT. (I must CLARIFY THAT as many of you believe that REPORTING FACTS is lending support....WHICH IT IS NOT.)
Regardless my stance DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH.
But just because someone is deemed crazy does not make them stupid.
When thse smart crazies can MAKE FUCKING EXPLOSIVES and MAKE FLAMETHROWERS then who needs a gun?
And yes. There are some crazies who can do that. I know that...AS A MORAL CERTAINTY.
And that ought to make all of you...all of you feel really safe.
(Maybe I just ought to ACT and give them the excuse which they are seeking??? In a macabre sense I somehow hope that they do take away your guns.. THEN MAYBE THAT WILL WAKE YOU UP TO REALITY.)
Then, of course, YOU WILL EITHER ALLOW YOURSELEF TO BE FORCED INTO COMPLIANCE or you all will GROW A SET OF BALLS AND FIGHT INSTEAD OF WHINE...LIKE FUCKING BABIES.
"Oh..How terrible...They are going to take away my Peashooter. Wah...wah...wah."
What a crock of shit!!!
Unfortunately George W. Bush was RIGHT when he said that the Constitution was ",,, just a God Damned piece of paper."
If you think that the Government is going to follow the God damned document THEN YOU ARE FUCKING DELUDED.
If you think that "returning to the limited form of Government that was set in the Constitution" somehow as a panacea THEN YOU ARE DELUDED.
The REPUBLIC IS A FAILURE. The Constitution FAILED to prevent this Government from happening as...WE ARE HERE, DISCUSSING THIS SHIT.
So really just what is that document worth? NOTHING!!!!
And if you believe that the Constitution authorized the Government to ACT IN THIS MANNER (authorizing Social Security, restricting the rights on Weapons ownership, etc...etc...etc...) then, really, what is that document worth? NOTHING!!!
GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING THICK SKULLS.
There are NO SOLUTIONS but to THROW OFF YOUR SHACKLES.
You can make bombs. You can create weapons. YOU CAN SHED YOURSELVES FROM THIS HEGEMONIC and DEMONIC BEAST. There is no APPEASING THIS BEAST. It must be confronted HEAD ON.
Or you can do the easy thing, sit and WHINE like the ENTITLEMENT BABIES WHICH YOU ARE, and ACCEPT YOUR ENSLAVEMENT.
The choice is yours.
I know that I set off a lot of cognitive dissonance so I expect the junks. But it will NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH ABOUT ANYTHING WHICH I WROTE.
First, the Constitution isn't a forcefield - even the founders said it was only compatible with a moral and virtuous society. The moment people went off the rails, lost their civic virtue and begain voting themselves other peoples' shit, the experiment would indeed fail. But the Constitution didn't fail the people, the people failed the Constitution, or rather a tipping point was reached where there's enough critical mass of idiots to overwhelm the non-idiots. You plug any other governmental system in with this same bunch of shrieking idiots running around and there won't be enough pop corn in the world for the slaughterhouse shit show that would result. The people have to change first - and it's happened before. There have been a few "Great Awakenings" when enough people realized "damn, we've let ourselves become a bunch of shrieking idiots" to turn the tide.
Second, I'm typing this reply with oven mitts since your post has the stench of a .gov op fishing for a few good recruits to appear in a high-profile domestic terrorism "bust"
First most people are neither moral and lack virtue. If the Constitution was written for such a people then it was doomed at the initiation. And as that has been EMPIRICALLY DEMONSTRATED...it was an waste of breath, vellium, and ink.
IT FAILED and to read upon these pages thee comments from the people who refuse to accept that fact just lets me know that even many are walking about in their own personal Land of Confusion.
Expecting that human behavior is going to change is DELUSIONAL AT BEST and downright HAZARDOUS TO YOUR OWN WELL BEING at worst. They were as morally corrupted in the past as they are today.
The human condition has NOT CHANGED.
Finally I am not asking for any recruits for any cause because it has already been demonstrated that the people are neither moral and lack any virtue. In fact any "Revolution" will be a lost cause at the initiation.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. THERE IS NO HOPE. Why will I even bother to attempt to change it much more spend the time and energy for a fruitless cause.
I am just here to point out the IRRATIONAL FARCE that people, LIKE YOURSELF, have bought into and YOUR DELUSION.
And as I wrote you are just delusional at best and DANGEROUS to my well being at worst.
And you think that I work for them? That is truly delusional.
You had best get your antipsychotic meds checked.
A little paranoia? LMAO
Embrace your enslavement.
_"The human condition has NOT CHANGED."
Emotional basis: mammal.
It reflects the highest development of [survival self interest], and changes at the rate of biological evolution.
Unless an authentic spiritual development process takes hold in the life of the individual.
But certainly, for the contemporary human entitiy, that's a rare occurrence.
All you need for a Constitutional crisis is a few corrupt and power-horny Fedcoats plus a sufficient number of blacks and browns.
I wouldn't put too much faith in the constituition my friend. Take a look at the circumstances under which the CONstituitional CONvention took place as well as the outcome of it.
http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/the-peoples-case-for-what-happened-at..
Oh goody!!! I guess this means that in obviously "lacking mental capacity" we all will get to disarm Homeland Security and local LEO?
The Pentagon has already disarmed it soldiers on american bases
/s
Wow, advocating for the right of mentally disturbed/disabled peope to own firearms. Now I've heard everything.
Hey, we give guns to cops, at least the odds of a senior actually finding a target are diminishingly smaller. Remind me how many people senior citizens have killed with guns this year.
Yep, you see the feeble senior citizens (citizens, not illegals) rolling up in their wheel chairs unloading magazine after magazine into school buildings all the time. Although only into schools filled with cute, little, minority children and puppies. Just watch the "news."
Oh...
What do people think will happen when they become dependent on the state for income? That the state will just quietly sit by and let them think or do whatever?
I'm sorry, but if you are a social security dependent you haven't been free for a long time, and the right to bear arms is the least of your worries.
Yep, sooner or later Sugar Daddy is gonna wanna bust a nut. Can't act shocked when he unzips.
pods
And EBT?
Just asking although personally I would not be in favor of that either, camels nose and all that
If the EBTs run out they will be heading for us, most of them are too stupid to see where the problem is coming from.
You are not want well armed Free Stuff Army.
with out a doubt this wins question of the week --
Those urban thugs are the problem. They get them illegally and commit the crimes.
How about stopping them?
Dat profilin man.
Americans will moan and then go back to watching TV.
About like everything... how about the NSA? Yawn...
Today former Sen. Saxby Chambliss said he wants Snowden to hang. Where's the outrage? Too busy rolling dice and watching the Etrade account I guess. Same shit, different year.
didn't know that----maybe his sentence out of his own mouth ---stranger things have happend ----go Saxby-
Wesley Clark called for locking up those that disagree with the government - where was the outrage?
http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/07/former-u-s-general-calls-for-rounding-...
Why should I be surprised? Obama's building databases to equalize the masses along racial lines.
http://nypost.com/2015/07/18/obama-has-been-collecting-personal-data-for...
I'm black (now)
I was born a poor black child
Well fuck me (giggles and twisting hair) I identify with transsexual, quadriplegic, fully capable, Mensa grade, black, Muslim, impoverished, slighted and persecuted Democratic voters.
Well fuck, if anyone junks that they should be shot.
I grew up in a shack w/ a dirt floor. I'm just passing...
you grew up with a Rabbi sucking your little cock,
No wonder the Douche are the butt of so many jokes. Faux People, faux nationality.
Don't assume that I'm a male, peckerwood. ;0
seems unconstitutional. Oh, wait...duh
Jesus, when does Molon Labe kick in?
I discussed/encouraged gun control with my 10 yr old grandson this weekend.
I told him when he could shoot 3 empty shotgun shells, in a row, with his .22 single-shot, that I would give him this new Henry lever-action that I bought.
It helped his "gun control" a lot...
Was the 14th amendment suspended?
Better question. Which ones are enforced?
Hah ha ha ha ha ha ha
We'll even give you multiple choice.
a.)
b.)
c.)
d.) none of the above
has to be d cause day aint nuting above it !!!
Yep, you knew that's where it was headed. Have you ever been tired or depressed? Angry? Have you ever found yourself believing in a gov conspiracy theory? Have you ever used the term Zionist?
And where are those assholes that were here recently laughing and saying that military and theatre shooting were not false flags?
The old Soviet Union used the psychiatric industry to repress freedom and honed it to a fine tuned instrument.
The USSA merely has dusted off the sheet music and is now playing the same tune.
Now here is where ignorance kills this nation. How many morons, err Americans, *but I repeat myself* actually know that historical fact, and how the communists used it to suppress internal soviet society?
I do...one of many reasons why I stopped taking SSRI "medication".
For those who would like to learn more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Sovie...
I repeat if you, Dear Senior, are having trouble sleeping, having homicidal or suicidal thoughts or have been prescribed medication for this in the past...tell the good government informing doctor who conspired against you that you're MUCH BETTER now, with your sincerest happy face on.
Warmest regards,
Dr. nmewn ;-)
Cock suker has made alot of enemies as all communist/facist do. Would prefer to starve the people out than drone them and avoid the bad press. The 2nd amendment sure makes them FEMA camps a bitch, right mother fucker?
That Second Amendment does not restrict the Government whatsoever.
Instead of fantasizing about how it should be, or how it is supposed to work, perhaps it is better to accept the reality and make plans accordingly.
IT DOES NOT WORK.
Try and appeal to the jackal traitors occupying the Supreme Court.
Yeah. Right. LMAO
The REPUBLIC HAS FAILED. The US Constitution did not work to prevent it.
Why repeat a FAILED EXPERIMENT???
“lack the mental capacity to manage their own affairs,” -- LOL , that describes about 90% of America. No wonder hes pushing the ban,
"LOL , that describes " OBAMA
that describes about 90% of WASHINGTON DC - tfify
Those four million should be addressing their opsec and comsec and do what's their God given right...
Not advocating the bloody wholesale violent overthrown of Obama's gov't.
Ignorant fool , what kind of fucking game are you playing to say some stupid shit like that. Probing mother fucker?
Hey ass hole, this is just the beginning....like I wrote above. Anyone (non Obamanation) who has anything in their background (mental/emotional), any military types (current, once they become former) who went to sick call complaining of emotional issues as they're working on their 4th, 5th, 6th, and even 7th deployment to southwest asia. fuck you, you simple fuck.
Just what is your assessment of the State of the Nation?
I'm not advocating the violent, blood flowing in the streets overthrow of the gov't employee working for you, living next door, or the families of political appointees of high level federal positions or those in academia, nor those with Juris Doctorates, or even those Presenters of your nearest Channel 7 Ooze. I believe in the ballot box and bi partisanship, and getting it done for the Amerikan people. Oh, the Confederate Flag causes racist insanity. Anything else?
Correction: the DemPublican gov't.
For a lot of these guys and gals in inner cities, owning a firearm provides their protection. Are they going to assign a police officer to guard them once they disarm them? What a slap in the face to the nations veterans. Another cheap shot from our 'transparent' administration.
And he'll have this asshole backing him all the way
http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/07/former-u-s-general-calls-for-rounding-...
Feel free to mark these people off the list of things I spend my money on.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/29/hbo-mtv-and-a-host-of...
PTSD is War Guilt.
If you have war guilt, the government will call you crazy and not allow you to own a gun. It's your fault that you feel guilty about these wars. You can only be trusted to kill the right people with their guns. The moment you think that you shouldn't be killing anyone is the moment you're no longer allowed to own a gun.
I know Social Security recipients and a few veterans who rely on others for their fiduciary responsibilities but can still put a plug between the eyes of any Federal agent at 50 yards.
Next, anyone who has ever told a "professional" to have had feelings of depression or who has ever taken an anti depression med. That'll take out just about the balance of remaining Christians, Free Entrepreneurs, Constitutionists, ect.
However, it will NOT apply to those in leftist circles.
Anyone who isn't dealing with emotional/mental trauma at the reality of Amerika is the sickest.
When I was a kid I used to love getting high on mushrooms. Really, that is all I have to add to this discussion.
Being a leftist won't protect anyone when the SHTF. Fascists hate all free people.
A wise ZHer once said, "The true believers were the first to go to the gulags."
Why would Obama disarm the SS now right when he needs them?
Don't think the SS reference is lost on all of us.
Can you empty the magazine as you are turning it in?
This is why second amendment defenders get written off as extreme right wingers, outrage about something reasonable. If you are claiming a check from the government because you are not mentally competent enough to a) hold a job or b) manage your own affairs, it isn't unreasonable to say you also shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. If you are so mentally disabled you can't work and need to claim an SSDI check, then sorry you don't get a gun. If that deters people from milking the disability system then all the better. And all this BS that 'social security is owed to them' Really ZH? Defending peoples rights to unfunded government pension programs?
Sure social security *is* owed to them. Anyone who has ever worked for a living pays a portion of his or her salary towards social security, which is supposed to be the government's plan for *your* retirement. you are supposed to get that money back, with interest, because the government believes people are not responsible enough to save for themselves. If people don't have a right to it, why keep paying into it? NGKaknes, have you ever worked a day in your life? And having someone else manage one's money is certainly not a sign of incompetence. I would argue that it is a sign of a successfull person who has other's take care of it for them.
Trust me I work a hell of a lot harder than you. Social Security is Ponzi, and everyone knows it. People don't have a right to it just like pensioners in a bankrupt detroit don't have a right to their promised pension obligations, they are usecured creditors. Sorry welcome to real life.
Having someone else get your disability check means you are incapacitated, meaning demented or serious mental illness (if you have ever seen the people who get SSDI checks for mental illness your will realize how gone you have to be to have been incapacitated). It doesn't mean you have elected a financial manager, it means that you no longer have the right to decide what happens to those funds, which isn't done lightly. Do some homework on it, you'll realize I'm right.
Sorry, your rights come from your creator. No Damn bureaucrat hat the authority to violate them. They have a duty to protect them.
Fuck off already, for someone who works so hard you have enough time to post your dribble here...
having someone else manage one's money is certainly not a sign of incompetence...
It is a sign of the beginnings of tyranny.
So despite the fact they have not committed any felonies, may in fact need to protect themselves, and that it's unconstitutional, you are all for it. Because they fail at book keeping, or cannot hold a job due to disability, that makes them felons somehow?
If being an SDSI recipient makes them unqualified for constitutional protections, and their life is so bleak, why not just go all the way and euthanize them? Reduce the surface population.
All the BS about social security being owed to retirees is not BS - they paid in their whole lives and it is owed to them
However, social security WAS NEVER INTENDED to cover disabilities or the myriad other things it supports. For that, I would agree it is BS.
Please calculate the average amount paid into SS. And the average amount paid out. Then tell me how it is sustainable. They are "owed" what they paid. And that is why it shouldn't exist in the first place. Save your own money. Pay for your own food. Or you are just as bad as any EBT user.
So despite paying 15% of every dollar I made to social security, because I was forced to, now when it comes time to get some back I'm an EBT user? Go fuck yourself you stupid moron. You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.
SS recipients have been so screwed over; the Fed+Barry have handed them near 0% COLA for the last 5-8 years while food has soared 5-12%/year.
I can't blame the old farts for owning guns as they starve to death, but the surprising thing to me is they have not used them.
not accurate. Two years when the calculation, by law, meant no COLA. And what did the DemPublican party do? They issued checks via the IRS to cover (approx. 225 dollars) for the CPI minus 1% SS reciepients and federal employee retirees weren't suppose to get.
If you planned your retirement under the assumption that you were ever going to see that money again you are a fool and I have no sympathy for you. Social Security is a tax, thats it. Liberals can dress it up as a retirement fund but if you don't fund it, which the government hasn't, it is simply an empty promise. Should you be pissed off? Yes, just like pensioners in Detroit and Greece should be pissed off but welcome to the real world. A promise from the government is just an unsecured liability, if you don't have the funds yourself you are at their mercy. SSDI will run out within a decade. Social Security can go on for another 3 but my generation isn't seeing a penny of it so the second millenials become a voting majority guess what is going to happen to social security?
Off topic
@ bunzbunzbunz, damn I could only give you one down tick!
My mother, in her 9th decade has gamed the SS system. My father died 2 years short of 65. My late wife didn't make 60. I have fiends that never made it to 35. I could go on and on (like everyone else here could). So, yeah, some live long enough to hit the SS jackpot. Some don't even make it to the card table. I'm in my first year of receiving SS. I didn't vote SS in, but I was forced to pay in..for 50 years. I'm gonna collect until I'm dead or it goes broke. And I sleep just fine.
Are you saying infants shouldn't have guns either? You anti-freedom piece of crap. If may baby wants to defend himself from that tyrant OBUMMER he has every right too!
You must be fucking with us, seriously, because nobody is as stupid as you are coming across.
Seriously? Pull your head out of your Liberal Technocrat Gun Grabbing Ass.
I personally know a good old boy who was seriously injured years ago at his job. He is as sharp As a tack but can't walk very well, etc. He is a awesome gentleman, also a great part time gun smith. It is something he loves to do and has helped, I'm sure, 100's if not 1000's stay safe with their firearms.
I have no clue if he has a firm keeping his SS Disabilty checks accounted for but to even try to take that sort of gentleman's guns, IS A FUCKING CRIME IN ITSELF!! Wake up. These fucking gun grabbers will do any and everything to snatch any gun they can, except from a 5 time illegal felon MFER who shoots a innocent women in the back while walking on a pier with her Dad.
So fuck you. Sincerely.
HOPE, HOPE AND CHANGE!!!
Having a financial manager is not the same has being incapacitated. Someone who is mentally incapacitated is not able to make decisions for themselves and has either a family member or if they aren't willing/available/competent (many of these people get taken advantage of by family members) then they get a court appointed guardian. So when you fly off the handle because your 'good old boy' was seriously injured at a job and gets SSDI and clearly isn't mentally incapacitated, you sound like a raving redneck lunatic and make reasonable conservatives look bad. The second amendment reads "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the peope to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" I don't see how anyone thinks that a Schizophrenic who collects SSDI because they are not mentally stable enough to hold a job falls under 'a well regulated militia'
If you are claiming a check from the government because you are not mentally competent enough to a) hold a job (or want to hold a job) or b) manage your own affairs, it isn't unreasonable to say you also shouldn't make baby after baby, vote, or not test positive for illegal drugs for that check? If you are so fucking lazy that you claim you cannot work, then sorry, you don't get to vote, you should be sterilized, and you get cut off when you test positive for crack and meth. If that deters people from milking the system, all the better. And all this BS that "EBT cards" are owed to them? Really asshole? Defending peoples "rights" to my fucking tax dollars for government welfare programs?
What percentage of EBT'ers drive Escalades I'd be interested to know. Seems like they all park in the Walmart handicap spaces also.
I know your post is simply to draw the ire of zerohedge commentors. Whether you actually believe in what you say in your comment doesn't matter to you. You really just get off on the responses. Just like drunk college frat boys get off in your mom's sloppy jowels.
If you can't hold down a job because of a disability, you're no longer allowed to defend yourself? How is that reasonable? I suppose if the unemployed and disabled are subhuman, then that makes sense. That would mean they have no inherent right to life. And therefore no right to defend their own lives. Within reason, of course.
If you are mentally incapacitated to the point that you cannot work and no longer have the right to make your own decisions regarding your money, how is it unreasonable to say you don't have the capacity to make responsible decisions with a gun. These aren't people who lost a hand in the mill, it's someone with Alzheimers who have lost their executive cognitive functions or Schizophrenics who are too unstable to be able to make decisions with their money. If you are at the point that you cannot be trusted to handle your own finances (meaning you would not be able to designate a financial advisor even if you wanted to because you're not mentally compentent to do that) then it certainly isn't unreasonable to say you shouldn't have a gun. The government takes elderly drivers with dementia's drivers licenses away all the time, and people don't go crazy saying 'that would mean they ahve no inherent right to life. And therefore no right to defend their own lives. Within reason of course' because any reasonable person would agree that someone with severe cognitive defecits are a risk to themselves and others operating a motor vehicle, and their right to drive is limited by the rights of others not to be killed by demented old people driving cars. The same is true for guns, a demented old person who is not competent to drive or sign their own checks should not own a gun.
Let me sum your arguments:
Straw man
Non-sequitur
Triple negative
Begging the question
And of course, hedging (with the use of the ambiguous "reasonable")
The drivers license issue is always the last bastion of a scoundrel in these cases. You pick what you think is a reasonable demand for the government of issuing "rights" and then use it as a false equivalence for other rights. I'm not going to get into it. But you use it to ignore the basic question
If you have a life, you have the right to defend it. Someone else's assessment of your cognitive abilities in other areas of your life be damned. There are already laws against harming other people with or without guns. Those laws should apply to everyone regards of their assessed cognitive abilities.
If you're the ward of someone else, it's a good idea that you not posses a gun. But it doesn't need to be a hard and fast rule. And it certainly doesn't need to be a law. And why? Because cock-sure assbags like you will use it as another false equivalence to cast a wider net of those who shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
In THE US, driving (or having a driver's license for that matter) is a privilege, not a right. Nice straw man arguement.
Comments like yours are why Constitutionalists win the argument, every single time.
Self-defense is human nature. When you're attacked by a thug, if there's a gun handy, you pick it up, point it at the bad guy, and pull the trigger.
You can't compare functions like managing your own affairs to defending yourself. It's just instinct.
If someone tries to punch you, don't you try to block the punch?
Now, run along, you Commie left wing progressive POS.
its so Travon in Baltimore can have easier pikins ----thats comeuppance grift for the Obama voting blacks ----- lots of white (and black) veterans both male and female that will be defenseless in the face of Obama's thugs of choice. Way to bring it together Obama --you fucking sleezy nigger. ---yea its racist but he started it ---sorry ZH -it won't happen again
Mulatto Barack has some real issues..trying to prove something to his Marxist, African daddy who abandoned him, I'd guess.
That's what we get for getting all multi-cultural..
I prefer the term 'welfare' to 'benefits'. It's one of those government psychological warfare things IMO, but it is not correct. A 'benefit' is something that is given you on top of what your survival needs. Like 'perk'.
People in this modern era and especially US citizens are quite possibly the dumbest bastards that have ever graced human history.
Shit, imagine if a FR banker could go back in time and communicate with the neanderthal and explain to them that he wanted to give him pieces of paper (which he determines the value of) in exchange for brush meat and labor.... The neanderthal would have stabbed him in his eye with his spear!
If he would have demanded that he hand over his spear he would have become the brush meat. So much for the theory of evolution.
survival of the fitness
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
The modern day is quite a juxtaposition of the above. If they can deny these people thier rights, then on to the next, and the next, etc.
4 million more for the militia
The Obama administration the SS administration can suck my fuckung balll sack.
Seems like there's nary a single Constitutionist among the SS (Secret Service). Notice how so many of Osama's guard are black?
He replaced them with Nation of Islam guards. That's why they have had so many incidents.
I don't want to make any enemies but if you think the cops are spooked now, put a gun in everyones pocket and see how spooked they get.
I've been around guns my whole life. My father had guns, my grand father gave me a 22 rifle for my eighth birthday. I fired on my company 45 team and got my first cc license in 1980 and continue to up date it every 4 years since then.
Believe me! Not everyone should own or have a gun just because they can buy one. I've seen more than a few who I knew should'nt even think about a gun buy one and not even a year later get in trouble with one. I've had good friends show me their handgun and point them (loaded) right at me several times.
Personally, I think there should be a line drawn somewhere.
How many of you would have drawn on this guy?
https://youtu.be/hOQrjcG6jGM
let he who is with out sin draw the first line--
Your logic seems a little faulty... report to the Social Security office immediately for your evaluation.
Your never going to be safe get over it.
So, just who is going to make that decision? Obama? The DUTY of the government is to protect our rights, not commit TREASON trying to find ways to violate them.