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470,000 Vehicles At Risk After Hackers "Take Control & Crash" Jeep Cherokee From A Sofa 10 Miles Away
In what is being called "the first of its kind," Wired.com reports that hackers, using just a laptop and mobile phone, accessed a Jeep Cherokee's on-board systems (via its wireless internet connection), took control and crashed the car into a ditch from 10 miles away sitting on their sofa. As The Telegraph details, the breach was revealed by security researchers Charlie Miller, a former staffer at the NSA, and Chris Valasek, who warned that more than 470,000 cars made by Fiat Chrysler could be at risk of being attacked by similar means. Coming just weeks after the FBI claimed a US hacker took control of a passenger jet he was on in the first known such incident of its kind, the incident shows just how vulnerable we are to modern technology.
As The Telegraph reports, the hackers (security experts) worked with Andy Greenberg, a writer with tech website Wired.com, who drove the Jeep Cherokee on public roads in St Louis, Missouri...
In his disturbing account Greenberg described how the air vents started blasting out cold air and the radio came on full blast when the hack began.
The windscreen wipers turned on with wiper fluid, blurring the glass, and a picture of the two hackers appeared on the car’s digital display to signify they had gained access.
Greenberg said that the hackers then slowed the car to a halt just as he was getting on the highway, causing a tailback behind him - though it got worse after that.
He wrote: ‘The most disturbing maneuver came when they cut the Jeep’s brakes, leaving me frantically pumping the pedal as the 2-ton SUV slid uncontrollably into a ditch.
‘The researchers say they’re working on perfecting their steering control - for now they can only hijack the wheel when the Jeep is in reverse.
‘Their hack enables surveillance too: They can track a targeted Jeep’s GPS coordinates, measure its speed, and even drop pins on a map to trace its route.’
The hack was possible thanks to Uconnect, the Internet connected computer feature that has been installed in fleets of Fiat Chrysler cars since late 2013.
It controls the entertainment system, deals with navigation and allows phone calls.
The feature also allows owners to start the car remotely, flash the headlights using an app and unlock doors.
But according to Miller and Valasek, the on-board Internet connection is a ‘super nice vulnerability’ for hackers.
All they have to do is work out the car’s IP address and know how to break into its systems and they can take control.
In a statement to Wired.com Fiat Chrysler said:
"Under no circumstances does FCA condone or believe it’s appropriate to disclose ‘how-to information’ that would potentially encourage, or help enable hackers to gain unauthorised and unlawful access to vehicle systems.
‘We appreciate the contributions of cybersecurity advocates to augment the industry’s understanding of potential vulnerabilities. However, we caution advocates that in the pursuit of improved public safety they not, in fact, compromise public safety."
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Ashley Madison clients who own Jeeps are having a really bad week!!!
tesla next!
FUCK YEAH HACK TEH PLANET!!!
Well...Chrysler makes bad cars and all, but what info from the car do they need before being able to hack it? IP address? MAC address? Both?
Edit: I used my brain to read more and saw IP address....so...basically don't give away your car's IP address and you are good. I don't know how Sprint IP addresses are distributed on their networks...perhaps their is a know regional pattern. I guess you could have fun with that.
"Under no circumstances does FCA condone or believe it’s appropriate to disclose ‘how-to information’ that would potentially encourage, or help enable hackers to gain unauthorised and unlawful access to vehicle systems.
Under no circumstances do we who drive cars at 70 mph on public roads believe it is appropriate for our cars to be susceptible to hackers to take control of the car and crash it. That would potentially hurt or kill us consumers and discourage us from buying your ethanol burning piece of junk.
Well that makes it McCrystal clear -RIP Micheal Hastings - never screw the Military pooch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_%28journalist%29#/media/F...
So how much is gov, er I mean the taxslaves paying for each of their cars to make them hackproof? Millions per? No Big Fucking Deal, right? Its just somebody elses money. Somebody thats not even born yet.
And you can bet thats whats happenning or they would have to ride John Kerry, er I meant a horse, to work. Because there's plenty of people, oops meant terrorists, that would love to derail their mercedes.
Well, you cannot crash my model 2000 year rust-less garage queen Grand Cherokee with 45 k-miles on it.
..and I figure on having it for at least another 15 years.
shove that up your butt, hackers, Detroit and Fed.
the only problem with the idiot design is that the air dampers cycle with every ignition turn on and that it costs $1500.00 to tear out the console and replace a freaking solinoid.
so NBFD.. I don't use the air anymore.
maybe we can crowd source a people's car.. f the regulators... just sell parts.. put it together in the garage.
If your car has internet access I suggest you figure out how to disconnect the muther fucking antenna NOW. I'll keep driving my 95 honda until the wheels fall off. It only has 165k miles, so that could be another 20 years.
I will never own a horribly connected car.
Buy used old stuff.. there are a lot of good deals out there.
"maybe we can crowd source a people's car.. f the regulators... just sell parts.. put it together in the garage."
+1 this is an excellent idea. maybe as 3d printing tech matures, these two ideas will come together.
gimme a printer big enough to do a steel .409... please
but.. enjoy... buy old..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5V3wcREqcI
I'm surprised this hasn't happened before now... oh wait it has.
Sounds like time for more regulations. No doubt the legislation will be written behind closed doors and force all cars to be networked for "safety" reasons.
1986 Toyota Camry here 215 thou and still going strong
roffle....you can't get into that car with a cell network, no. But, there are other ways to hack your car from a close distance. Your anti-lock brakes for instance send a signal back to a computer that decides to prevent your brakes from clamping. Replicate that signal and focus it near your brakes...a number of other signals are their for the offering. Though a hack like this would take a lot more investment in money/time, so it is less likely.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-car-hacked_n_3...
"The peculiar circumstances of journalist Michael Hastings' death in Los Angeles last week have unleashed a wave of conspiracy theories.
Now there's another theory to contribute to the paranoia: According to a prominent security analyst, technology exists that could've allowed someone to hack his car. Former U.S. National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism Richard Clarke told The Huffington Post that what is known about the single-vehicle crash is "consistent with a car cyber attack."
Clarke said, "There is reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers" -- including the United States -- know how to remotely seize control of a car."
And this is what they are ADMITTING in public....
fonestar got .000000000000001 bitcoin for the hack
What was the name of that reporter that died in a strange car crash a couple of years ago ?
Michael Hastings .........
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/michael-hastings-car-hacked_n_3...
From 2013 ........
"What has been revealed as a result of some research at universities is that it's relatively easy to hack your way into the control system of a car, and to do such things as cause acceleration when the driver doesn't want acceleration, to throw on the brakes when the driver doesn't want the brakes on, to launch an air bag," Clarke told The Huffington Post. "You can do some really highly destructive things now, through hacking a car, and it's not that hard."
Must not be too hard to do on Malaysian airplanes, either.
Or on airlines headed for NYC without permission.
Research 'Boeing Uninterruptible AutoPilot' ('B.U.A.P.').
19 Arab hijackers who lacked basic piloting skills, led by a religious zealot with major health issues in a cave in Tora Bora using a laptop and a cellphone, overcame the most sophisticated air defenses in the entire world, managing to fly totally unmolested in the world's most-heavily defended airspace; crashing into the financial centers of the New West; and the most heavily-defended building on the entire GLOBE (for a period of almost TWO HOURS); hitting 75% of their targets with PINPOINT ACCURACY.
'Let us never tolerate wild conspiracy theories regarding the attacks of 9/11...' (GWBush, U.N. speech)
Michael Hastings .........
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES!
I can do it wired with my Snap-On SOLUS (equipped with European software upgrades, and updated for 2014). HELL, I only have the tool to do DIAGNOSTICS. Roll the windows up and down, up the engine RPM, run the A/C, lock the doors, kill individual cylinders, kill the fuel pump, honk the horn, stuff like that...
WIRELESS is REALLY, REALLY FUCKING VULNERABLE in a car. REALLY DANGEROUS SHIT. SERIOUS 'KILL THE OCCUPANTS' stuff.
The ONLY vehicle you want to buy/own/operate HAS to be PRE-OBD-II (at LEAST). Hard to find one that isn't 'cash-for-clunkered', or worn the fuck out...
This shit STARTED with G.M.s 'ONSTAR'.
The stuff that these amatuer hackers did to the 'jeep' (I hesitate to call it a JEEP, because it really ISN'T; it's a Cerberus/Daimler/FIAT for God's sake) ain't SHIT compared to the capabilities of the PROFESSIONALS (in various, ahem, 'sectors' of totalitarian governments around the globe).
HuffPo ain't shit. Ariana used to be pretty attractive (a long time ago).
FIAT. Fucking FIAT!
GET THIS CLEARLY, PLAINLY, AND TRUTHFULLY: In my locale, the local Dodge dealer doesn't sell FUCKING FIATS; BUT, the G.M. conglomerate DOES. WTF is THIS shit?
ONE car, ONE government...
M.S. I got my 90 Mercury Grand Marquis wiped out on the freeway in June, (assclown driving by a UK kid) and I'm still sick about the loss...
I guess if you don't give (ping) out the IP address (ping)
there is NO WAY (ping) some low-life hacker (traceroute) can obtain enough information through the web to break into someone's car and control (http:/ /47.128.16.32:53341/redirect/omg) the vehicle. Gotta be putting me on, man. (golf clap)
Yes...if you know the IP address, you can ping and traceroute it...what is your point? You could indeed ping/tr all known Sprint mobile IP addresses until you find one that looks like a car. But you wouldn't know whose car it was.
Now if you want to talk seriously about it, if you were able to break the encryption on Sprint signals, then you could indeed go up to the car, record the encrypted data between car and tower, then decrypt it to find the IP address. I guess I haven't tried sniffing on a mobile network though. I suppose if you have a Spint phone close to the car...I don't know mobile networks well enough to know what you would see. Please enlighten me.
i'm not a security professional by any means but if any of the following were to occur from a big corporate it would be trivial to bypass encryption.
Encryption algorithm might be unbreakable but it means fk all if:
1. they hardcode a password in it, e.g. most webcams
2. they use a root certificate (the same one) in all the cars
3. they use older technologies (WPA, WEP, 2G, 3G) which are already trivial to brute force
4. they use generic encryption keys/passwords (do you honestly believe a CAR company knows how to manage tens of millions of individual encryption keys that they'll need to use when servicing a car?)
With that on board wifi, all it needs to do is drive through a neighborhood and they've got your wifi access point details (learned alot from war driving). However, unless those hackers used a rainbow table, I doubt they would have gotten access unless the victims had a terribly easy password or was just stupid and left it open.
Unfortunately the IP address isn't like your phone number (that you give out)
It's assigned by an ISP, and assuming Chrystler uses the same ISP (kinda like onstar or something)
Hackers can easily findout the IP ranges, scan them and get the IP's that way. I have no clue how this was done, but knowing Chrystler they are probably such fucking stupid morons that the car has no software firewall or non existent access controls to that uconnect bullshit software which is wide open and accessible to the internet.
If this is the case and owned one of these cars I would do the following until a fix is ready:
Call Chrystler and have them hard cutoff whatever is connecting the car to the internet (probably some kind of LTE modem, so they should remove the sim) and make sure that Uconnect is disabled too.
It's actually quite insane that these shitty softwares are not sandboxed from the cars main control system.
Everything you said is true. My point is that the hacker would have no clue whose car they are hacking with any given IP address even if they were to determine it was a car.
I can assure you, the hackers in this situation made DAMN well sure they knew the correct IP address, MAC address, and any other hardware ID they could get so as to ensure they didn't murder some random person that day.
It is a lot easier to hack a willing participant's device than some target with unknown details.
Though it would be pointless to ask chrysler to fix the problem. You would likely just want to pull the fuse to the mobile system in the car. Just hope it isn't also in line with something useful, like headlights....or the ECU.
You know I have thought for a few years that this was the reason for cash for clunkers... to get everyone into trackable cars. How paranoid is that?
Nope, just stimulus for dying car manufacturers.
Both the IP address and MAC address are very easy to acquire.
RIP Michael Hastings.
Vehicle = node on inet of everything. GeoSpatial Intelligence. See how it works here. Then check out Patrick Wood on Technocracy:
JADE HELM WARNING/THE PROBE/PART 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRJbkau93SA
Jade Helm/The Probe/Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJTNCKvvljc
Jade Helm/The Probe/Part 2 is a short clip that fills in a lot of gaps about the US military Artificial Intelligent Battlefield Command 'entity' (quantum computer). This is about knowing EVERYTHING possible about EVERYTHING that's going on in the Planetosphere ALL THE TIME.
Using obvious data mined sites like YouTube, FaceBook and Google, but also from 'smart sensors/dust (chemtrails?) to the entire internet traffic which is being recorded and stored by the NSA and other 'deep state' agencies. I believe CERN is also in on this, attempting to discover 'parallel dimensions'. Think: 3D real time interrogateable and viewable avatar/holograms, mirroring what you are doing and thinking at all times, at the touch of a screen, or 'INSIDE' your brain/senses/memory/thoughts, somewhere in cyberspace, and summonable at any designated node/terminal.
Conference and contact: http://geoint2015.com/
Open Geospatial Consortium
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Geospatial_Consortium
Don't overlook the announcement of the US Command considers that the whole planet is now 'US Battlespace'. Read this for insight:
Wars Are Not Fought on Battlefields - David Swanson (http://davidswanson.org/)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/wars-are-not-fought-on-battlefields/22860
USAF seeks to ‘disrupt, deny, degrade, destroy, or deceive’ adversaries via cyberwarfare
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/08/usaf-seeks-to-disrupt-deny-degrade.html
Patrick Wood - Technocracy Rising
http://www.technocracyrising.com/
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/04/RIR-150422.php
TECHNOCRACY RISING: Patrick Wood On Caravan To Midnight
http://oathkeepers.org/oktester/technocracy-rising-patrick-wood-on-carav...
Remember Michael Hastings? http://nymag.com/news/features/michael-hastings-2013-11/
Chrysler just issued a memo banning the following words to describe this problem...err condition
always, annihilate, apocalyptic, asphyxiating, bad, Band-Aid, big time, brakes like an “X” car, cataclysmic, catastrophic, Challenger, chaotic, Cobain, condemns, Corvair-like, crippling, critical, dangerous, deathtrap, debilitating, decapitating, defect, defective, detonate, disemboweling, enfeebling, evil, eviscerated, explode, failed, flawed, genocide, ghastly,grenadelike, grisly, gruesome, Hindenburg, Hobbling, Horrific, impaling, inferno, Kevorkianesque, lacerating, life-threatening, maiming, malicious, mangling, maniacal, mutilating, never, potentially-disfiguring, powder keg, problem, rolling sarcophagus (tomb or coffin), safety, safety related, serious, spontaneous combustion, startling, suffocating, suicidal, terrifying, Titanic, unstable, widow-maker, words or phrases with a biblical connotation, you’re toast
Here's the lowdown on the cost of recall:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5EY8oXamoM
And people laugh at me for not having OnStar. Who's laughing now!
Miffed;-)
this luddite needs to find the fuse panel and appropriate circuitry.
doesn't matter if you use/pay for it.
it's there.
the advent of all these cameras at intersections makes me want to get an infrared penlite to mount on the RV mirror.
"Hello, Mr Smith."
"B-B-Bathouse?? Is that you on my radio speakers?"
"Yes Mr Smith. I've overheard you say you might oppose a third term for me (Car begins to speed up).
"Well err, (getting nervouse as the speddo hits 80), all presidents are only supposed to have two terms."
(Car begins careening in and out of traffic)
"But I am not like just any president, am I, Mr SMith?"
"That's for sure."
"So you will support me in the 'speshul election?"
"S-S-Sure, please! Slow down!"
The car resumes its normal operation.
"Thanks, and good day, Mr SMith. I have other calls to make."
*Click*
But Warsaw say ZEE GERMAN ARE SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY!
NO SOUP FOR YOU OSTLANDER!
Auslander RAUS!
Miffed you muff, teh we laughs at you ALWAYS!!
EEEEBOLAAAAAA
OnStar? Shit, my vehicle has OBD1. That's late 80s/early 90s technology. And you know what? It works!
We upgraded from OnStar to fonestar! Make teh change today!
https://localbitcoins.com
I have such fond memories of reading EEC-IV codes by listening to beep counts and flashing lights, good times!
Yup. Turn the key on and off rapidly several times and leave it in the on position and wait for the check engine light to start blinking at me. 55 is the "Done throwing codes" code.
People laugh at me for not having a car!
People laugh at me for not having a tracking device, I mean cell phone.
People laugh at me for not having a credit card.
People laugh at me for not having a TV.
Who gives a fuck.
But nobody is laughing at you for using the internet. Think about it.
Yea, but he's behind 7 proxies!
If you buy a UAW manufactured vehicle since Obama violated the 5th Amendment in 2009 and seized the companies, you deserve to die an Obamadeath.
But it would be a wild conspiracy theory to suppose this could happen to an investigative reporter in a Mercedes.
Shhhhhhh
Mercedes used to be part of Daimler Chrysler.
Mercedes is an operating division of Daimler.
We already know this works on a Mercedes.
Ironic we've gone from "See the USA in a Chevrolet" to "Chevrolet sees you in the USA".
MICHAEL HASTINGS WAS MURDERED BY ???
Yup.
HOW ABOUT THAT COP IN THE TOYOTA NANCY PELOSI!
MAYBE WHAT SAN FANCISCO NEEDS IS ANOTHER FUCKING EARTHQUAKE.
Whomever has the power to make Mercedes go away....I know they wanted to clear the name, but not a peep! just gone....
hummm, wonder if the TPTB drive. Prolly chauferred.
This could have eleviated a whole lotta suspicion of banker suicides
Let's give them to all of Congress as Free Gifts for their service to their country......... The New Trojan Horse.
Give me a 1967 Shelby GT Mustang in British Racing Green - all other cars are pieces of shit....
Almost all, Ape Man - you forgot the biggest baddest one of all -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llAvYn0m8VQ
Drove one once - spoiled me forever.
shut 'em down !!!
A really bad ass car will go from a standstill to 100 miles per hour in ten seconds.
That blue Shelby Cobra would go from zero to 100 and back to zero in ten seconds.
'Course that's all it would do (that and get you laid), but if one couldn't amuse themselves endlessly going from zero to 100 and back to zero every ten seconds, well, something wrong with that boy.
Baby you can drive my car
Yes I'm gonna be a star
Baby you can drive my car
And maybe I love you
Beep Beep
mmmm
Beep Beep, Yeah
Beep Beep!
just another reason why i drive a 1963 Buick Riviera....
Word
to the mother!
And they cant share your driving habits with the insurance company, or remotely lock your vehicle down to repo, or track your location, but best of all they can't see how fat and ugly the girl you have in the backseat is to blackmail you later.
nah never that...no fat and ugly allowed (and i got nothing agianst fat and ugly women)....
but i really like that i can deprive the state of smog monies...
and when i drive down the highway females in the passenger seat of 100k Benz'os r jocking while their dude is looking at them like "what the fuck bitch..."
Cash for clunkers so you exchange to a vehicle that spies on you and drives where it wants
Just for giggles: http://www.crashforensics.com/files/CDRVehicleList.pdf
That there is a list of every car that comes equipped with a 'black box' data recorder. Note that some brands feature prominently while others are absent.
choose wisely grasshopper.
None of my vehicles are on that list, and I must admit that that might not be a coincidence.
Caveat Emptor, bitchez.
And keep stackin, there's a lake somewhere that needs MOAR valuable shit on the bottom.
My tinfoil hat is picking up a strong signal.
Is this another reason (false flag) why the internet must be under government control because freedom is just too dangerous?
I didnt know tin foil hats were recievers.
JOY! - Joyride with the new BMW 1 Series in Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV3ur8ihWOw
Exhibit A: Michael Hastings
Even his Wikipedia page has a whole write up on this.
"However, we caution advocates that in the pursuit of improved public safety they not, in fact, compromise public safety."
STFU and start the recalls for the shitty software you made.
The new Jeep Cherokees are seriously soccer-momified anyway.
Try working on one. Right now, they are a mashup of old MoPar drivetrain gear mixed with Borg-like German auto-trannies and Italian crap all controlled by a poor implementation of CANBUS. I used to have a Jeep Wagoneer with the 360 IH engine. Wish I had it back (minus the rust).
I'd believe it. Cherokees are supposed to be straight forward design and quirky with their maintenance. Sounds like they got the quirky part right. As it is, if Jeep is to mean "mobility," they need to throw a solid front axle under the things and get rid of all of the shit that is hanging down to get crushed when doing some real four wheeling.
Since when does a Fiat require someone to help it break down?
Cars have IP addresses? WTF?
Yeah, you gotta pull the fuse on that circuit.
So if the CIA...cough...ISIS got control of a few jumbo jets and crashed them into buildings, all the fascist police state measures put into place and money spent didn't mean squat, because now CIA Assets don't even need to be in the plane to hijack it and cause 'terror'.
Michael Hastings wasn't driving a FIAT Chrysler, but a Mercedes C250 Coupe, in case anyone was wondering like I was. Now if it comes out that THIS model is susceptible to something similar...
The history of airplane sabotage. -Skolnick
We are more than happy with our 2001 Jeep Cherokee.
OBDII, BITCHEZ!
IIRC, the 4.0L had some casting flaw with the head from that year. Just something to watch out for.
I think my 1975 CJ5 just went up in value.
Don't junk me bro!
And don't forget that self driving semi trailer licensed for the open road in Nevada. Supposedly requiring a truckdriver behind the steering wheel.
Now just imagine if you didnt have to hack it but had all the codes. Just backdoor right too/past any safety stuff.
Hmmmm....
I wonder who might have such information at their fingertips.....
Someone who did not like Mike Hastings......
So let me get this straight....
Chrysler puts this car on the internet wide open UDP port(s) of some sort (just did some reading ona CAN bus to Ethernet converters and it appears the UDP is the preferred way...ports 4800 and 4000 appears to be popular defaults and since Chrylser is lazy, well, you get the idea...) and you just get terminal access.
No Authentication....
No certificates....
No encryption....
Idiots.
WTF is the car on the internet for anyway?
Morons.
Squid
The powers that be have to have inventive ways to kill people and blame it on the needed boogey-man..
Coming just weeks after the FBI claimed a US hacker took control of a passenger jet he was on in the first known such incident of its kind, the incident shows just how vulnerable we are to modern technology.
This is a bit scary. I wonder if .gov has/had the capability to 'remote control' passenger airlines.
OF COURSE THEY HAD IT, DUMMY!
"Coming just weeks after the FBI claimed a US hacker took control of a passenger jet he was on in the first known such incident of its kind, the incident shows just how vulnerable we are to modern technology."
Is this like it's so easy, even a caveman can do it?
When I think back at the Paris air show some years back and that airbus engines decided the stay at idle, needless to say the crew was killed. Must of been buggy in the wiring but hey now the airlines have to deal with faceless hihackers ( no I didn't misspell hijackers ) shutin' down your engines maybe dump some fuel or do some barrel rolls and stick in a nosedive for gods sake!
F. I. A. T. Fix it again, Tony.
Way back in the early 70s some of the Fiat offerings were fun to drive - I worked at a Fiat dealership in UK.
Buggers rotted away as you watched, though.
Repeat after us,
Pacemakers can't be hacked.
Cars can't be hacked.
Airplanes can't be hacked.
Trains (accelerating into turns) can't be hacked.
Home security systems can't be hacked.
Signed,
.gov
Dude, that is so cool!i mean, DUDE!
Will it work equally as well on a recliner only 9 miles away?
I sure hope the police keep this feature… to stop criminals… at traffic lights 10 miles away.
Imagine the LULZ to be had by hijacking pig-0-mobiles while they are chasing "criminals"
F'kn awesome LUL to be had!
.gov, insurance companies, and the automakers worked to put this stuff in the car so they can control it.
.gov to know where the cars are and have the ability to shut them down when they want.
insurance companies to prove driver is at fault for all accidents so there are no payouts.
automakers to show that you voided the warranty by exceeding the legal limits.
You got it. The technology works,but not for you.
GWB and the GOProgs passed that energy law circa 2006 mandating much of this black box technology for all new vehicles effective 2014.
Install a battery kill switch on the instrument panel, problem solved.
The alternator is what powers the vehicle. The battery is only for starting...
Derp derp
Not so. The electricity comes from the battery. The alternator simply recharges the battery.
Not so. Ever disconnected the battery while the car is running?
Wrong, you can discconnect battery and alternator keeps feeding the system.
I think you are talking about generators. LONG AGO abandoned.
EVeryone has a smart phone with GPS. Even if you turn it off they can turn it on remotely. With 4G you can access that phone and do the rest.
Only way around that is pull the battery out of your phone. OHHHHH but the iphones do NOT have removable battery or SD card. Thats why they push Iphones so hard. Will never own an apple device. Crippled devices and over priced.
Android all the way because I can hack my own phone. Have Samsung Galaxy S6 , makes any iphone look archaic.
I will ALWAYS buy a classic or antique vehicle.
Cheap sofa, 50.00
Used untraceable laptop off of CL, 200.00
Untraceable throw away wifi hotspot, under 100.00
Watching the looks on the marks faces in the dashcam as the brakes go inop and accelerator increases to 100%
PRICELESS
also,
Knowing how to fix your own vehicle and avoid this BS,
Priceless
"I told you so."
(Ned Ludd)
This is what happened to Michael Hastings. A reporter killed by the US government.
This is so muthafcking baaad! I love how Brave New World we've become. There is no limit to the debauchery and decadence to be slathered upon the meek like battery acid for those who resist, or are merely in the crimethought stage of their affliction.
Lesson :
DO NOT BUY AMERICAN PRODUCTS
These are all rigged to kill you whenever NSA wants.
And they can do it from anywhere in the world.
This is the reason why cars are now being fitted with Operating Systems like Apple OS, Android & Microsoft windows etc. The very purpose is to , if you are not liked by USA, then they can kill you anytime anywhere.
American products? There is not one product in my home made in USA. My dishwasher, washer, dryer, espress machines. big side by side refrig. 3 monitors, one HDTV , all my power tools. lawnmower. hedge trimmer. etc etc. All made in Germany or Korea.
American products? There is not one product in my home made in USA. My dishwasher, washer, dryer, espress machines. big side by side refrig. 3 monitors, one HDTV , all my power tools. lawnmower. hedge trimmer. etc etc. All made in Germany or Korea.
American products? There is not one product in my home made in USA. My dishwasher, washer, dryer, espress machines. big side by side refrig. 3 monitors, one HDTV , all my power tools. lawnmower. hedge trimmer. etc etc. All made in Germany or Korea.
Jörg Haider died this way. Read about his death.
Dov Zackheim knows about remote control of airplanes as well. I believe he was involved in remote control of the planes on 9/11. I can tell you that I grew up flying with a close family member who is a pilot. The story that Saudi flunkee pilots trained on a Cessna then flew 550 mph at sea level into perfect bullseye targets twice -- it's impossible. Pilots around the world sitting silent about this is a disgrace. A top gun pilot could not even do it.
"Jörg Haider died this way. Read about his death."
+ Michael Hastings
there are tousands of people, who died such a funny way.
both MHs, targets of Clinton betting company, have been remotly controlled and sent into oblivion. FOr the UK betting company, which bets on events with human causalties. So they pulled it off. No prob.
And because Clintons and other big animls take profits from that company, there will be only a loud silence arround.
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I was still flying at the time (retired flight engineer). There is not ONE pilot I have flown with or known that believes Arab were flying those aircraft on 911.
Most don't even want to discuss it for fearing of losing a job.
My own opinion is that the aircraft were commandered on he ground via remote control. Very easy to do. only 3 avionics boxes needed under flight deck. (avonics bay). Especially easy on B767/757 platform which are very similar.
The socalled 19 Arabs with boxcutters were patsies and probably thought they were part of the exercise that day.
Good thing you're retired. Did you forget your meds this morning?
You are the fucking idiot that needs meds for your one brain cell.
20,000 hours on DC-8 never an accident. WORLD WIDE
Now fuck off Dumbo
You are the fucking idiot that needs meds for your one brain cell.
20,000 hours on DC-8 never an accident. WORLD WIDE
Now fuck off Dumbo
I doubt you have a clue about physics or anything else for that matter.
You are one of the clowns that ridicules critical thinking.
I can tell by your comment you are a total LOSER.
Get me that burger I ordered, you twit!!
I bet you believe that loony ''19 Arabs with boxcutters'' CONSPIRACY. so neatly scripted and read one day after the event by people who couldn't find the Unabomber for years.
Not even so much as a CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION .
Go upstairs, kid, your momma is calling you to change the sheets,, her ''client'' just left. And then you get Milk and Cookies.
I bet you believe that loony ''19 Arabs with boxcutters'' CONSPIRACY. so neatly scripted and read one day after the event by people who couldn't find the Unabomber for years.
Not even so much as a CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION .
Go upstairs, kid, your momma is calling you to change the sheets,, her ''client'' just left. And then you get Milk and Cookies.
Oh my, such hostility.
I have 3 decades of professional engineering design and construction experience and know exactly how the buildings came down.
THAT'S why I know you are a raving loonie.
why on earth a car would need "wireless internet connection" ?
Oh yeah - for police to stop its engine.
On Star never sleeps, you're in good hands with All that is the State.
So much of this hacking has an easy fix. Unplug from the internet. Nobody is hacking my old car. It has always gotten around just fine without WIFI. The government lost everything on security clearance personel. Why was this on the internet? Duh!
All new European Cars are due to be fitted with eCall from 2018.
Supposedly, this is just to make a call in the event of an accident - but I wonder how it will handle an incoming call?
Anyone know?
10 miles. . . WiFi ? really ?
I don't know about the USA but here in my small country, we have 3g/4g coverage everywhere. NO wifi needed.
However we also have thousands of free wifi hotspots but most people now are going with 4G because it about 3 times faster.
The same thing happened to Danny Jovenko, here in the Netherlands. He ran a professional building demolition company worldwide.
He said in YouTube that 911 all buildings were absolutely controlled demolition and would testify in USA if asked.
3 weeks later he ran his car into a tree coming home from church on a Sunday morning,
You can search YouTube for the video.
I don't know about the USA but here in my small country, we have 3g/4g coverage everywhere. NO wifi needed.
However we also have thousands of free wifi hotspots but most people now are going with 4G because it about 3 times faster.
Cover your satellite/GPS antenna with either aluminum foil or copper foil and verify that the entertainment system displays the " No Signal " message. Now, no one can track you or access any on-board electronic systems.
EVeryone has a smart phone with GPS. Even if you turn it off they can turn it on remotely. With 4G you can access that phone and do the rest.
Only way around that is pull the battery out of your phone. OHHHHH but the iphones do NOT have removable battery or SD card. Thats why they push Iphones so hard. Will never own an apple device. Crippled devices and over priced.
Android all the way because I can hack my own phone. Have Samsung Galaxy S6 , makes any iphone look archaic.
What if the Manufacturers could contol other forms of Transportation like say a Boeing 777. Imagine Airplanes taken over (DRONE) and used as a weapon. I wonder how long it would be for questions to be answered about "MISSING AIRPLANES".
Oh Wait is that what happened?
Old news. They have been able to fly airliners remotely back as far as mid 70's
Thats what happened on 911.