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Tsipras To Call For Elections "As Soon Bailout Agreed", Wants "Clean Start"
Greek politics are back in the spotlight Wednesday as lawmakers are set to vote on a second set of prior actions that would clear the way for formal bailout discussions to begin by the end of the week (see here and here).
Although the package is expected to pass with the help of opposition support, the vote is nonetheless an important indicator for the future of Syriza and for Tsipras' future as premier.
In short, if Tsipras' support within the party weakens further, it will have broader implications for how the political landscape will look once the bailout is official. The PM is expected to call a party meeting in September to discuss "the day after" (a reference to the fact that by then, Greece is expected to have formalized the third bailout). At that juncture, Syriza "will split in two groups, the followers of Tsipras and the leftist wing led by Lafazanis," one unnamed source told MNI on Tuesday.
Now, it looks as though Tsipras will look to call elections as soon as the third bailout is in place. From MNI, citing sources:
- TSIPRAS WANTS TO RESHAPE SYRIZA PARTY, MAKE "CLEAN START"- SRC
- GREECE TSIPRAS WANTS ELECTIONS AS SOON THIRD LOAN AGREED-SRC
- GREECE PM MULLS SEP 13TH OR 20TH FOR POSSIBLE SNAP POLLS-SRC
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Good job Tsipras... get out of Dodge, you've done enough. Malaka
You don’t have to own a Jacuzzi to have lots of bubbles in you bathtub. ;-)
Alexis Tsipras
Nope, you have to call for election BEFORE sellout is agreed, anything else is Fascism and crime against humanity and there will be consequences up to and including death.
BTW: https://www.rt.com/business/310454-greece-drachma-russia-tsipras/
It's a trap...
http://galeinnes.blogspot.com/2015/07/mouse-traps-galore.html
How about NOW, before the next "Bailout" is agreed? Incidentally, the "Bailout" is on terms worse than the Greek people voted against. Get real. And get a fresh start.
Exactly. Even if Tsipras loses, I have no doubt that the globalists have guaranteed him a diamond parachute. He will retire super rich while the average greek gets it up the rear, German Style.
Yup, another "Champagne Socialist" like Hollande and all the rest..
There is no longer Leftists or Rightists in EU positions of power. They are ALL globalists, who entertain and befuddle the masses through irrelevant distractions in non economic matters, ie gay rights. Note that their supposed differences never threaten the central banking new world order.
personally, I find that word "globalist" as distracting as gay rights. actually even more. it's a word without any commonly agreed meaning, you know that, don't you?
the guys that pushed for the last gold standard in the 19th Century, for example: where they globalists? or not? note that it resulted in a global monetary order, too
Globalists in this context refer to the criminal organization and it's members trying to establish a one world governement which they control. This world government will be created post WWIII which they are in the process of setting up now. This government will be a Technocracy/Scientific Dictatorship, much like in the book Brave New World and/or 1984. Other accurate terms for these people would be Bankster, Luciferian/Satanic Oligarchs, Illuminati, Transhumanists. They currently have control of most major corpoations, mainstream media, the CIA, education, global monitary system, most government and so on. They view themselves as children of Lucifer and Eve and us as children of Adam, and therefore view themselves superior to us regular people, and view us as "useless eaters" or slaves.
They are the boot stepping on the face of humanity forever if they get their way.
+100
And Ghordius, the great dissembler, knows this completely.
I know that this is a theory dear to a subgroup of Americans, yes. but imo it's a very whacky theory
if someone wants ever to have a serious discussion on it, I'm available. but I see it at the moment more like an "article of faith". and people get very angry when you debunk their "articles of faith", so... suit yourself, and enjoy
"They are ALL globalists, who entertain and befuddle the masses through irrelevant distractions in non economic matters, ie gay rights."
With the added bonus that LGBT rights are divisive.
The more the PTB divide, the more easily they rule, a totally splintered society being their idea of perfection.
That's also why they also push feminism so hard. Make 50% of humanity the bitter enemy fo the other 50%, great! All the more as it works both ways: women take men for lowlife scum, men take women for obnoxious harpies, Yippee!
Add some LGBT propaganda into the mix (men at last rid of these atrocious women, women free of "patriarchy" and wife-beating husbands by being happy lesbians), plus some Queer ideology to scare guys off by suggesting they should do away with their genitals and become happy women, and you've got a society that's literally at each other's throats.
And while those idiots fight each other, whites againts blacks, women against men, men against women, blacks against whites, LGBT against religious people and the right wing, the right wing against LGBT, etc, You've won.
So the advice to the PTB is, "carry on dividing the society and eroding the social bonding of its members" so these fools are mired in their controversies and are powerless against us.
What about, for instance, eroding further the social bonds by promoting porn, adultery and divorce next, or sexual encounters with "no strings attached"? Oh wait...
I believe they are now referring to themselves as LGBTQ just in case you didn't realize they are queer.
Ah, an election to give the whored-out and disgraced population of Greece the illusion of control.
I feel like I've seen this somewhere before......
New Clean Start, Same as the Old Clean Start
You also forgot one of the main planks of Globalism: The "sifting" together of the races/peoples of the world into One genderless, borderless, classless, traditionless, clueless race of big-eyed brown serfs
Yes, Greek $10bn plea to Putin for printing drachma not true, Kremlin denied.
Total chaos.
From your link:
Prior to the July 5 referendum, where 61 percent of Greeks voted against austerity, Putin informed Tsipras Moscow didn’t support a return to the drachma. This led to last week’s €86 billion bailout agreement with the Troika of creditors, as Greece had no other choice, the source says.
Now, not only did they not get a $10 billion loan(why the fuck would it be priced in dollars, I asked yesterday) Putin flat out told Tsipras that Russia doesn't support a return to the Drachma! Putin said not just no but Fuck no this shit isn't true.
I have seen the Redefininggod blog link come up several times, and the Poster(s) on that site opened up my way of looking at the transition we are facing. That Pax Americana is/was/will never be part of the NWO. They are the IterimWO until the true NWO China/Russia puts down the world's bully for the last time. With shit like the above being announced on state tv, #I<3RT, I am no longer under any delusion that the US is going to be treated like the maggot it is.
I like the maggot analogy. You put a maggot in a wound to clear the decay and disease. It will eat all of the necrotic tissue first, but left in the wound longer, the begin to eat live healthy tissue. The US was put into world power post WWII and ate away the decay of the planet. Now we are in the eating healthy flesh phase. and the Puppetiers are letting the maggot chew a bit longer to ensure the rest of the world will accecpt any mulitpolar substitute to the Unipolar US maggot.
When SHTF, I'm shooting everybody.
not if i see you first...
Funny how the Greeks keep voting but the same thing keeps happening...
Something about voting being a joke?
When you vote, you only consent to your own enslavement. Represent yourself.
Perhaps you mean PRESENT yourself? ie. Don't do it once removed, thereby instigating/acknowledging a jurisdiction/domain between one's self and the/your Creator/s. By all means 'represent' yourself when using the tool of a 'legal name' whilst engaging in commerce with other corporate/legal entities, such as the State and it's Agents, or other corporate entities using contract/commercial law.
Soveriegnty = rightful status, independence, or prerogative. I try to use as much of my Sovereignty (free will) to help my family, neighbours and community as much and as often as I can, and sometimes more than I can 'afford'. I try to use as much of my Sovereignty (enlightened self-interest) to revive and nourish the ideal of altruism.
Tsipras is just EPIC trolling!
After your country has been garage saled, new elections will only work if your choosing a hangman.....
Oops! Double-bubble;-)
Yes, because elections matter.
/s
Didn't they just have a vote to express their desire? How'd that work out for them?
Generally elections make very little difference, but on rare occasions (ex. Trump over Hilary) like the one the Greeks could soon face where a Pro-Banks candidate could potentially face an Exit-EU/Euro candidate, the Greeks may just find the cojones (balls) to exit-stage RIGHT. Then again, just to schedule and get to that election day (no more bankrupt than they are right now) they would probably have to deal with both trying to keep the candidate in favor of exiting the EU from walking into a bullet between his eyes and maybe even with surviving a color revolution and some CIA sponsored terrorism. Not an easy feat - in any case, more likely than not I suspect TPTB will not take a chance again on DEMOCRACY (61% to 39%), this time the Greek´s ¨choice¨ will be quite similiar to ours - Jeb Bush vs Hilary Clinton. How sad...
I heard some dick weed on NPR this morning talking about how Greece is proof that capitalism doesn't work.... ROTFLMAO!!!
So socialism is the Culprit and that fuckface blames Capitalism.
Sounds like NPR.
I talk to people who listen to NPR. Talk about outta touch and filled with false optimism.
I'd say Greece is getting Capitalism good and hard...with a Teutonic flair
Why not call for elections now?
Pinnochio for Prime Minister!
Nice idea but they won't let Hillary run.
Stupid fucking Greeks. As if they didn't learn a couple of weeks ago that elections don't matter.
Go ahead......in the words of George Carlin, do your little political masturbation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeMGqTwWA6U
LOL!!! If you want a clean start repudiate the fucking debt!!!! then get the fuck off your ass, print the Drachma, reclaim all your territory, execute all your current "leaders", etc. etc. etc.
I guess "going Greek" really does mean taking it in the ass.
But elections are just fisting yourself in the ass.
Who says Greece doesn't produce anything? More elections per capita than any country on the planet.
If you can't get an erection to defend your nation, what is the point of another election?
The only choice Greeks probably want is one between stoning or hanging their politicians.
Oh good another reason to smash Gold.
Hope the vote is for whether the Greek pols are going to get shot or hanged by their necks for being traitors to their own people.
Fuck the Greeks......they ELECTED those cocksuckers.....both on the left and the right.
In the words of George Carlin.....( see link above ).....the problem is NOT the politicians. The PUBLIC SUCKS.
Imagine how stupid is the average voter...
classic, lying, deceiving 360 flipper politicians. On par with human sewage. What would you like to hear today?
it might sound strange to people used to one-party or two-party systems, but yes, multi-party systems have this result: mortality of political parties
in a one party system, nothing can be opposed to the one party. witness the latest purges in the military of the biggest one-party of the world
in a two party system, the left punch and the right uppercut usually keep all third parties out. sometimes for centuries. all you need is the "right" electoral system, mostly
in a multi-party system, political parties are born, get into power or not, form coalitions or not, push the ruling coalitions or not, but also split or sometimes even... die
the latest casualties were "Allianz für Deutschland" that split into a liberal and a conservative part, and now possibly syriza
it makes politics more messy, in certain senses, but also clearer in many others. I would not like to change for anything in the world except a direct democracy, and yet even that needs a very solid base of multi-party politics or referenda become easily a joke
just a personal opinion
opinions are like assholes, everyone has them.
In the end that which cannot be sustained, won't be, period. Power and control is what this is and has always been about and power and control is never willingly given up... power and control must always be taken by force.
so same as it ever was...
A dirty little secret seems to me that multi-party systems can very easily be abused by...foreign powers to gain improper influence (by stealth)
Kind of explains Uncle Sam's (and Europe's) insistence on democracy.
It is very easy in a multiparty system to study the electorate of a contender, then found a new party with the sole purpose of skimming some followers, all in the secret service of the party whose position was threatened initially.
Sorry Ghordius, had to insert some shadows here, otherwise your shining multi-party democracy on the hill would blind us :-)
piratepiet, I remember the UK setting up kingdoms, France setting up republics, etc. just take a map of the Middle East and you'll note the old sphere of influence
but I don't remember Uncle Sam ever setting up from scratch anything that was not a presidential republic with vast powers in the hands of one directly elected man
and that's natural, every system sets up a copy of itself on others, if circumstances allow
nevertheless, what is more easily influenced from abroad, "our one son of a bitch" or a multi-party arrangement full of whips and rebels and MPs "walking the floor"?
+1, anyway, then yes, we do have lots of parties that were funded and are still "operated" from abroad. but they tend to be small. do you care to name one? ;-)
Ok, had to read your post several times. You have a good point. that one "SOB" can be more easy to control. But maybe it is also more risky as individuals can be unpredictable. Interesting discussion by the way. How to control a "democracy" from the outside..trying to look at the world through the eyes of the powerful. Might teach me something about how they look at me and my little region.
name one ? I would have to guess. Would not be surprised at all if Vlaams-Belang (Belgium) is playing an exfiltration game (as outlined above) and not be too very surprised if that party is partly controlled by foreign powers ( but that probably goes for most parties in Belgium). Is the nation state system up to a point not a way to organize the masses anyway ? This brings the democratic peace question to mind...and maybe makes it understandable.
perhaps you are too young to remember all our european communist parties, with cadres that regularly went to Moscow for academic training and discussions
the "democratic peace" question, though, is a very thorny one. historically, democracies are more aggressive then autocracies, and this since the times of the Persian Empire
and this is natural, too. the "war party" buck stops at the autocrat or the autocratic party, in a non-democracy. in any non-autocratic system, they can weasel better through
in our times, I see several parties that try to channel the "anger of the anti-establishment" that are controlled, up to a point, from abroad
meanwhile, I also see the Neo-Leftist "network" that functions in both an autonomous manner and has still strong ties in the old communist/socialist area, and with that, hilariously, Moscow and Bejing
AfD ?
He obviosly had no idea what he was signing himself for, like most socialists. He was hopping that Putin and Obama will help, but sadly help only comes to those who can do without it.
Why Putin didn't help Greece:
But I think the main problem is that Nulan is inside, othervise Putin would start building the pipe... like in Ukrain.
Look for Golden Dawn and/or other nationalist parties to make big gains in such an election.
No chance. That's an old wives tale told over and over and over until the naive public believes it.
Tsipras is done. ND and PASOK are burned cards. KKE and Golden Dawn do not reflect the views of Greek people.
The next election will be won in a land slide by a party that doesn't even exist today, and a party likely to be lead by Zoe Konstantopoulou the current parliament whip. If the referendum that Tsipras betrayed, the overwhelming 62% vote for NO, is telling us one thing, it's exactly that. Greeks have had enough of the status quo who betrayed them and enough of watching their country being destroyed and sold off for a bowl of beans.
Greece will be back to using a national currency within the next 24 months.
So how many elections and referendums they need?! Just get the hell out of EU/euro already, fuckers.
Token gestures.
So you're saying they're high?
This is all Malakia.
Syriza has capitulated, and once again we see another political party bite the dust by reneging on almost everything they claimed to stand for before they got elected.
Syriza gave in to fear, the fear of exiting the abuse union. Too bad.
More elections in Greece? For what? Do citizens of Greece want another PM and MPs who will transfer more of their money to Brussels, increase unemployment and continue gutting/eliminating pensions?
“If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal” Emma Goldman
I think they figure that if they have enough elections everyone in Greece will get a chance to be an MP and retire on a parliamentary pension.
Whatever he is doing now, damage has been done and trust have been lost. He should just bugger off.
He is purging his party of the extreme fraction. He has become a moderate who was promised something in return of betrayal of the No voters.
Actually he and all who support EZ destruction of Greece are the extremists.
Is he mad?! Or just a Persian in Athernian clothing?! If I was in the parliament right now, I'd call for a vote of no confidence right in the middle of this bailout BS vote.
I imagine a lot more people will be voting Golden Dawn this time around.
Tsipras, you are too late. I called for your dismissal and early election in mid February.
At least you should admit that you sold out your country for nothing and accomplished nothing. If you are not aware of that read this:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/greek-odyssey-through-debt/
That's true that most of Greeks or Americans have no idea what to do, how to change not only government but how to change entire 1000 years old regime and its destructive, for individual and community, power rules.
Some had and still have good ideas that are truly different and meaningful. Unfortunately most of people with wisdom and courage to share it eat the dirt prematurely. While outbursts of futile anger, pain and desperation are somewhat tolerated, severe price have to be paid, often loss of life, for giving people direct, actionable ideas how to fight the system as well as our own preconceptions often unknowingly inserted in our minds by propaganda machine that is present everywhere.
Here is one honest take on regime change.
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/regime-change-we-can-...
Excerpt:
By default, we should not trust anyone in position of power, no matter from where such person came, or from what socio-economic background originated, whether rich or poor or middle class, or whatever critical function’s designated to fulfill, it should not matter at all. Neither religion nor any perceived superior morality nor extraordinary intelligence should be construed as of any value or any foundation for trusting any individual in position of institutionalized influence since no one is immune to devastating, corruptive influences of mere fact of holding power.
Syriza splitting in two? That should push both of them into irrelevancy. Tsipras destroyed his own base. What an accomplishment.
Back to the two old established parties apparently. I never see anything on Golden Dawn. I assume they've been marginalized.
Gee Tsipras, when countries were demolished [I mean down to the ground] during WWII, what was the first thing they did? Hold Elections? No you dumb fuck, someone picked up the first brick and started building from the ground up. That's something beyond your comprehension, you one-brain cell, spineless worm!
after three years of post WWII occupation and emergency aid
there was still no moneywhatsoever in Europe for anyone to
" pick up the first brick and start building from the ground up"
until Washington came up with the Marshall Plan as well as
wiping out all European debt.
this is not what has happened in Greece.
Merkel/Schauble and assorted vulture
banker/creditors have instead chosen to
"kill the goose and have it for dinner"
by adopting a "Genghis Khan/Vlad the Impaler"
approach designed to destroy Greece";
taking ownership of everything that is worth anything
by economic conquest, and enslaving the Greek people
Tstalin
I think we may all be missing another view. Could it be that the Greek people have done something that has every Government in the world worried about?
What if a country's citizery en masse stops supporting/believing a Governments bullshit? Think about that. It is a revolution without firing a shot.
About 2-3 years ago, I raised this idea on ZH... that the Greek people had had a revolution without firing a shot. That the citizenry en masse simply began to ignore their Government. That it was/is a Governments worst nightmare. The citizenry simply ignoring them.
A level-headed and smart resident of Greece that I well know has been telling me for years "why should I pay taxes to people in Athens who line their own pockets?" "Many Greeks accept that the Athens politicans have been borrowing money simply to line their own pockets." "No one feels that the Government represents them and therefore most Greek citizens simply ignore them completely. We live and transact on our own just fine."
From this context, consider why didn't the Government impose force? Governments would typically use force to compel citizenry obedience. Why haven't we all noticed the lack of military/police actions against the citizenry in Greece? Could it be that behind closed doors, the EU and Germans have been pushing for a military crackdown on the citizens? Seems too late now... the people have won in sorts... there is just no one championing their success. Obviously, Governments do not want the world to consider this.
The citizenry must be punished. The Greek government was truly incompetent. The citizens succeeded far too much.
I think the Greek citizenry have shown the world how a Government can be defeated. This is the real thing to see.
Why would you push for a military crackdown if the serfs allow you to keep on borrowing and pocketing EU money to infinity? All they have mustered is a few middle aged folks marching with banners...
They allowed a vote to make them feel better and then did what they wanted to. Why not nurture the status quo?
I get the impression he doesn't want the job anymore lol.
Can't blame him, his country is about to be cut up and sold off to the highest (or lowest arm twisted) bidder.
I read Johnny Depp and oldman Buffett are looking to buy a small Greek island of their own.
Ironic isn't it.
My advice to the all Greeks... MOVE, go live and work elsewhere, your country does not belong to you anymore, Tsipras (under huge amounts of pressure I may add) sold you out.
So he wants a reset after he's finished with the rape and beating.
Hang the cunt.