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China Furious Over Rig Pictures: "What Japan Did Provokes Confrontation"
On Wednesday, we detailed China’s latest maritime dispute with a US ally. Just as the back-and-forth banter and incessant sabre-rattling over Beijing’s land reclamation activities in the Spratlys had died down, Washington and Manila passed the baton to Tokyo in the race to see who can prod the PLA into a naval confrontation first.
To recap, Japan apparently believes that China is strategically positioning rigs as close to a geographical equidistance line as possible in order to siphon undersea gas from Japanese waters.
Here’s a map showing the position of the rigs and the line which divides the countries’ economic zones:
And here are the rigs themselves:
Tokyo’s position is that Beijing’s exploration activities violate a 2008 joint development agreement between the two countries. Beijing, on the other hand, "erroneously" believes it has the right to development gas fields located in its territorial waters.
As we noted yesterday, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga’s assurance that the spat would not endanger the slow thaw of Sino-Japanese relations didn’t sound convincing under the circumstances:
The dispute won't do anything to help Sino-Japanese relations and although Suga claims the issue won't derail diplomatic progress, one has to imagine that Beijing has had just about enough of being told what it can and can't do in what it considers to be territorial waters.
Sure enough, China has taken the rhetoric up a notch. Reuters has more:
Japan's release of pictures of Chinese construction activity in the East China Sea will only provoke confrontation between the two countries and do nothing for efforts to promote dialogue, China's Foreign Ministry said.
In a statement late on Wednesday, China's Foreign Ministry said it had every right to develop oil and gas resources in waters not in dispute that fall under its jurisdiction.
"What Japan did provokes confrontation between the two countries, and is not constructive at all to the management of the East China Sea situation and the improvement of bilateral relations," it said.
According to some accounts, China's O&G development efforts are tied to a long-running island dispute between the two countries. Here's Reuters again:
In 2012, Japan's government angered Beijing by purchasing a disputed, uninhabited island chain in the East China Sea.
Until then, Beijing had curtailed activities under a pact with Japan to jointly develop undersea resources in disputed areas.
So, spiteful retailiation or legitimate exploration and development? We'll let readers decide with the help of the following color from BBC on the history behind the Senkaku islands row.
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At the heart of the dispute are eight uninhabited islands and rocks in the East China Sea. They have a total area of about 7 sq km and lie north-east of Taiwan, east of the Chinese mainland and south-west of Japan's southern-most prefecture, Okinawa. The islands are controlled by Japan.
They matter because they are close to important shipping lanes, offer rich fishing grounds and lie near potential oil and gas reserves. They are also in a strategically significant position, amid rising competition between the US and China for military primacy in the Asia-Pacific region.
Japan says it surveyed the islands for 10 years in the 19th Century and determined that they were uninhabited. On 14 January 1895 Japan erected a sovereignty marker and formally incorporated the islands into Japanese territory.
After World War Two, Japan renounced claims to a number of territories and islands including Taiwan in the 1951 Treaty of San Francisco. These islands, however, came under US trusteeship and were returned to Japan in 1971 under the Okinawa reversion deal.
Japan says China raised no objections to the San Francisco deal. And it says that it is only since the 1970s, when the issue of oil resources in the area emerged, that Chinese and Taiwanese authorities began pressing their claims.
China says that the islands have been part of its territory since ancient times, serving as important fishing grounds administered by the province of Taiwan.
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Chinese should be thankful that they are not speaking Japanese today; thank the Americans for bailing your ass out!
Duh!
SH
You've got your history bass ackwards. It was the Russians that saved the Chinese from the Japanese. That's right. And it was a big deal. Russia, not the US, came to the rescue of China. And when the Russians left, they didn't even leave military bases behind like the US would have. Here's one, there's a boatload of documentaries on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6yM5HwphXM
mmm, iirc the US gave huge quantities of weapons and materiel to the kuomintang. Just happened that the kuomintang leadership were morons.
Soviet help to china was less, came later, and most of it was used by the CPC to fight the kuomintang, not the japanese.
Yes, but the Soviet operation was a huge operation, nevertheless. It was not given a lot of attention, as a lot of the offensive occurred during and after the US atom bomb drops on Japan.
US fought Japan from Dec. 1941 to VJD. Soviet made peace with Japan after border conflict in 1940, only joined the action at the end of the war after US had all but defeated Japan.
Looks like someone learned his/her history in North Korea,
Maybe this will make you understand history better. Soviets had peace with Japan but finally joined the allied forces and betrayed Japan.
If Soviets had fought with Japan against the U.S., history will be a lot different.
Only weapons coming from the US kept the Soviets from being overrun after they lost everything west of the Urals (their industrial heartland). If they had joined Japan during WWII the Germans would have overrun them.
#41
Bullshit. Yes, the US sent equipment to Russia, including ~4000 Sherman tanks (Tommy cookers or Purple Heart boxes) and ~4700 (obsolete, slow, low altitiude ceiling) P-39 Aracobras. The Russians looked at those toys, laughed, and used them sparingly in main battle roles. Think of it this way: The US sent its tier-2 military equipment to the Pacific theater, where we were just trying to stop the Jap advance. So anything going to Russia in 1941-1943 was tier-3 grade equipment. By the close of 1943, Russia had turned the tide on the Ost Front, without ever getting difference-making gear from the US. In fact, the UK is credited with sending more strategically valuable tanks and planes to Russia in the 41-43 period. This makes sense, as American tanks sucked throughout the war, and only with the marriage of the Merlin engine to the P-51 fusilage (the P-47 was also a good fighter) did the US have a superior aircraft platform. . . Until 1943, the Brits had vastly superior fighter aircraft (both the Hurrican and the Spitfire) compared to the US, and arguably, their Lancaster bomber was the best of the war . . . not withstanding the B-29s late-war prowess. This British miltech superiority up thru 1943 extended to tanks, as well. The Valentine, for its faults, was at least a heavy tank. And the Brits had the good sense to marry the 18-pound high velocity artillery platform to the Sherman body, creating a tank that could bang it out with the Panzer 4s, Stugs, and even Panthers.
The Russians had VAST amounts of human capital, and while they did need to move their manufacturing substantially, their eventual victory over the Nazis was due to a combination of gross German miscalculation as well as Russian sacrifice, hard work, and (eventually) brutally efficienct manufacturing processes of simple, effective weapon systems including the T-34 and Sturmovik aircraft. Oh, one must credit the vodka that saved Moscow for its salubrious effects on Russian morale and resolve!
I'm sorry but the USSR would never have had the time to field it's own weapons, if they had not received those Shermans and Aracobras, and any weapons the UK sent were sent because the Amercians were reenforcing Britian allowing them to divert those weapons from home defense.
I'll say that the peasents of the Russian steep suffered more at the hands of the Germans then arguably any other group, and it was unnessesary. It boggles the mind to think that the soviets sent unarmed, untrained peasents agianst seasoned topline troops. 1 in 5 had a weapon when the Germans crossed the Polish border. Given that, any weapon they received was better then what they had.
#41
Yes, Russia was quite ill prepared but that was more human element than equipage before the shooting started. US supplied England, Canada, Australia, NZ, India, China and Russia while building the largest navy ever seen.
You make it sound like Russia was not preparing to invade Europe 17 days after the Germans beat them to the punch. A lot of gear and men lost without a fight because they just were not prepared, yet
I'm sorry but you are a dumb retard .
Alan Clark's book "Barbarossa: The Russian-German Conflict 1941-45'' does a good job detailing the Russian strategy. Stalin knew he would have to fight Hitler in 1939 and had built up his military for just such a conflict. What he didnt do, in an effort to avoid provoking Hitler's attack, was mass his military on the border with Nazi Germany. This proved somewhat advantageous after the start of Barbarossa, altho Stalin's military purges had left idiots in charge of the initial defense, which contributed to the massive losses of men, material, and territory. If I had to point to THE turning point, I would suggest it was the Russian spy (who was AMAZINGLY effective throughout the war @ delivering intel from German high command) that told Stalin Japan was not positioned to attack him in the East. This enabled Stalin to strip his Eastern border of a number of well trained, well led, and well equipped armored and infantry divisions to throw into the battle against the Germans. I would also point a single German miscalculation as another dimension to the inflection point. The Germans should have bypassed Stalingrad and focused all their efforts on the oilfields in the Baku. Imagine that, Hitler's insanity leading to the Reich's demise.
Again, your point vastly overestimates the actual benefit of obsolete US miltech (P-39s and M-4 Shermans) to the Russians. Lend-Lease was a political program as it regarded the Russians. The US leadership were highly suspicious of the Commies at that time. Further, the US couldnt (yet) equip their Pacific theater with front-line planes/tanks. So no way in hell were they going to be sending their best gear to the Red Bear. Ask a Russian old-timer what they used to turn the tide. I guarantee you NOBODY is going to say 'Ah, it was the P-39s and M-4s from Amerika'.
“Mankind has had ten-thousand years of experience at fighting and if we must fight, we have no excuse for not fighting well.”
-- T.E. Lawrence
Albert Speer, Hitler's minister of armaments and said by many to be the second most powerful person in Germany during WW II, unequivocally stated in his memoirs that the number one factor leading to Nazi defeat was the American-Briti sh bombing campaign that crippled German war production.
The fact Speer was asked this question AFTER THE WAR was a screaming red flag about the efficacy of the WW2 European bombing campaign. What a horrendous waste to aircrew, production capacity, and collateral damage. Bombing technology was too crude throughout the war to make a cost-effective difference. Yes, the Allied bombing did make a difference, mainly LATE, and only after the Luftwaffe had been neutralized. I would argue the difference European bombing made was small, while the costs were VERY high.
+1. additionally, it never succeeded in "breaking the spirit of the nation bombed" as the theorists before and after phantasized
The biggest support the US provided wasn't main battle tanks, it was logistical: jeeps, tankers and trucks.
Question: How far does a tank with no diesel drive?
Question: How many bullets can a gun with no ammo fire?
You mean after it was clear who the winner would be.
#41
The Russia comments are dead on, sorry all you haters. 20 million Russians sacrificed their lives and pushed back the strongest military in the history of mankind - Nazi Germany and won the war for the Allies, yes I said won the war for the allies. Americans got all the glory, dollar hedgeonomy, then defaulted for the first time in 1971, which is soon to be repeated. They are also 'intelligent' enough to be raped by the government, Fed Reserve, CIA, MIC etc DAILY. Russians, by far and away shed the most blood and fought the biggest and best fight bar none, no contest whatsoever. I am American and a realist. No one, I repeat no one, can nor will defeat Russia and or China on their respective soils. Russians and Chinese are significantly tougher then Americans and thats an understatement. Hate my comments, love them, I dont give a fuck, I and others know the truth and thats what matters.
The US and England should have let the two satanic regimes of Hitler and Stalin bleed each other dry for 10 years or so before joining.
The Rothschild, Masonic, Illuminati elitist cult is much worse and what Hitler was fighting to destroy and, honestly, rightly so. You ever experience hyperinflation? Probably not but you will soon enough. Like your bankers, in fact, love them and let them bend you over and fuck you in the ass with a 60 grit sandpaper condom, I will praise the eradicators of the most disgusting pieces of shit on earth. I say what people think yet are afraid to speak because its politically 'incorrect'.
The truth is that FDR was a commie-loving Stalinist who saved the Soviets with lend-lease. FDR thought that after the war there would be a global government that he would be the head of, so he sold America down the river to support Bolshevism. We shouldn't have invaded France on D-day to open the second front, killing over 200,000 Americans, but FDR needed to help his buddy Stalin, the brutal mass-murderer. If it wasn't for the US via FDR, the Russians would have gotten rolled by the Germans. Hands down, no fucking doubt about it, completely destroyed. What they teach as history about FDR is a gigantic lie. FDR was a megalomaniac and a Communist at heart. All Americans continue to suffer from that fuckers horrible policies and leadership.
Simply not true. 20 million vs. 200,000. D day and the Russian/German battle are not even remotely close to each other. If the Germans took Russia, it would have been game over for the Allies, no contest. Shit we barely beat the Germans with Russian sacrifice that PALES in comparison to American D day and Battle of the Bulge mini war rah rah bullshit. Dont get me wrong, I love and fully support our veterans but numbers are numbers. Germany fought a war on ALL fronts and nearly won, they would have one no contest if they simply kept their treaty with Russia. Sorry but Russia saved the allies and the Americans, period.
Wrong, Hilter won the war for the allies when he violated the non-agression pact he had signed with the USSR. Then he over stretched his forces opening a second front on some of the most unforgiving terrain in the world, legendary for eating whole armies, and even after all that they got within 30 miles of the Kermlin. The only thing that saved Stalins ass was the whole slaughter of unarmed conscripts until the arrival of American weapons and the harshest winter in living memory allowed them to stop the Germans. When Germany crossed the Polish border into the USSR only 1 in 5 soldier had a gun.
#41
This. It was Hitler's meglomania that launched Barbarossa, which could never succeed as drawn up. Too bad Hitler could not benefit from watching the Princess Bride and Tropic Thunder. You never go full retard, and you never get involved in a land war in Asia.
That said, during the first 4 months of Barbarossa, Stalin made more strategic blunders than your average full retard. He had the luxury of a vast pool of peasants who could endure hell while giving it right back, and eventually he overcame his paranoia and found some outstanding military leaders, including Chuikov and Zhukov.
Can you imagine if the Us were invaded by the equivalent of the Wehrmacht today?
I don't think they sacrificed their lives, they just got killed.
I love to watch people try and rewrite history. If it was not for the US the world world would be in the midst of the, "thousand year Reich" and bowing to the Japs.. You're welcome, bitches.
As of now, Japan's "Armed Forces" are equiped with a few wooden rifles, so if the neocons have their way, this makes for another "Proxy" situation a la Ukraine? Especially now Iran is our friend and the REAL enemy is China (And Russia)...../s
Well at least it weren't racist when John Wayne was killin' the Japs.
lol...Japs killing Chinese is not razzzist either. Or Chinese killing Tibetans or other Chinese, its only razzist when John Wayne kills anybody, including bad guys.
Its like a prog universal truth of life.
Which is never true ;-)
Yo torque, u betta' be placin' all of those historical truthiness thangs in a safe place b4 the Ministry of Truth comes along and wipes them out.
- Ned
Citizen Kissinger did that at the behest of his handlers. Then he ran away to Malta.
Or this one. Just saying, the US was not the sole country that fought and defeated Japan.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTzLM6lInK0
Nonsense. Where did you learn history? Soviet Union kept peace with Japan after winning a border conflict in 1940. They only invaded Manchuria in summer of 1945 after US had defeated Japan in the Pacific and was about to drop the bomb.
they did not rescue china
russian jews brought ugly communism upon the chinese population
forced them into ideology of labour-slavery and millions of people died
the "rescue" was nothing else but a proxy capture of terretory so the usa cant get it
after collapse of jew ruled soviet union, china did not collapse because they made an agreement with usa
they use people in china now like slaves for global capitalist cooperations to produce cheap products
under the japanese influence manchuria may would bloom into a beautiful place for its people
under cummunist jew law it only turned into another slave CUNTry
You obviously never heard of Chennaults Flying Tigers or Merrills Raiders
US will cut and run when pushed by China, Japan and S. Korea are on their on.
Everyone can see, China/Russia will dominate E. Asia. Germany will defend N Europe.
Iran can have the Middle East. Regional not world power is the future.
Here we go with Japan vs. China. If Japan isn't getting nuked by somebody, they nuke themselves anyway. I guess China can rent those islands they built to Japan.
The only one who has nuked anyone is the US of A
You can't threaten to spank the kids unless you've done it at least once, or you have no credibility.
#41
Idiot
In my mis-spent youth, I had a tee-shirt that had a mushroom on it but it said "Made in America, Tested in Japan".
I loved that shirt, even tho' it cost me opportunities to get closer to the (evidently not so) gentler sex.
- Ned
Chernobyl, Fukushima .... and someone used a tactical nuke .... during Sino-Soviet border wars in the 60's ! Russia took Sakhalin (?) island from the Japs at the end of WWII .... and never gave it back .... revenge for Russian defeat in 1905 !
I'd give 'em Danzig and the Corridor, its not yours anyway and keeping it could cause problems.
My wager is on the ChiComs to win this war in 14 days or less.
I'd take China for a 30 minute win with 4-5 nukes.
<- Japan has hidden Nukes
<- No hidden Nukes
#41
P.S. Even if they don't have one I doubt it would take them 6 weeks to put one together.
That is what Fukishima is all about, the Japanese nuclear weapon program.
MOX fuel was the source for plutonium.
IMHO this is the reason the Japanese won't let anyone near fukishima to help and advise. The program would be compromised.
The Japanese better be working on their Chinese.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
Australians and Californians as well.
No no no mnuh nope nah uh uh
They like Vancouver, less Mexicans
Interesting to note: Russia and Japan seem to be in dispute over the Kuril Islands to the NE of Japan at this time.
The following article offers limited information on Russia's island building in the Kuril chain. Just keep stirring the pot...
http://atimes.com/2015/07/get-ready-japan-russia-has-its-own-island-buil...
Seems the justification also stems from the San Francisco Treaty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute
Oh I see - China has a problem with the pictures - not with the facts of the charges Japan is making. The pictures are the problem. it's the pictures. Right. Got it.
Simpsons covered this: http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Burns_Slant_Drilling_Co.
And Kuwait did it too, hence the justification for Desert Storm -- you can't invade your neighbors that are stealing from under your fence, because their friends just happen to be cops.
Someone is planning a bridge loan to continue Japan's 10+ years of stagflation. Focus on FX market, you'll see the desperate money exchanges via Central Bank. Winks
Could be a solid investment opportunity, Bartertown, the most radiation free zone in Japan.
For every rig China has in their waters, on their side of the line, put one that mirrors it directly across from it in Japaneese waters and let the strongest straw win. See how they like that, good for the goose, good for the gander response. As for the U.S. once again too late, we have no forward thinkers, no real plan other than keep up the illustion of solventcy, power, and infringing on the rights and finances of the citizens. On the global stage, we seem the joke. And for all our military might, just when and what was the last war/conflict where we can claim a clear victory. The curtain has been pulled back, and the U.S. is standing for all to see, naked, weakened, broke, cunning,coniving, bullying, greedy, and just plain not good neighbors in the global community. I love my country, enlisted in its armed services, now I'm ashamed of what it has become. It's a pity really.
this storyline just isn't the same without the pictures of female Chinese cadets guarding the islands.
Who knows what is going on...maybe China was building too many empty cities and needed to direct their manpower to other projects... like non-functional oil rigs...
Get some fracking going on a major fault line and this will escalate. Man made tsunami season.
Typical spoiled bratt response from the land of the spoiled bratt
Uh, scuse me, "who can prod the PLA into a naval confrontation first"?
Is that like, the Philippines "prodded" China by having a Chinese forterss built in its territorial waters?
And Japan "prodded" China by saying something when China parked next to its maritime border and started pushing straws under the fence?
It also bears repeating that the national government purchased Senkaku from its private owner to preempt the governor of Tokyo from buying it and putting up a lighthouse. Japan's aim was to defuse tensions, not stoke them, a point which the Chicoms understand very well. When they called the purchase a provocation they lied.
It is pretty evident that if you look at the attached link which gives some ICJ opinions, judgments and other information on territirial waters, that China woud most likely lose any case regarding the South China sea. The UNCLOS doctrine is one of 'sharing' not just cliaming.
https://www.academia.edu/10574593/Falklands_Islands_Territorial_Waters