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Liberty Movement Needs More Innovations To Counter Technological Tyranny
Submitted by Brandon Smith via Alt-Market.com,
The great lesson from history that each consecutive generations seems to forget is that the tools of tyranny used outward will inevitably be turned inward. That is to say, the laws and weapons governments devise for supposed enemies abroad will ALWAYS and eventually be used against the people they are mandated to protect. There is no centralized system so trustworthy, no political establishment so free of corruption that the blind faith of the citizenry is warranted. If free people do not remain vigilant they will be made slaves by their own leadership. This is the rule, not the exception, and it applies to America as much as any other society.
The beauty of the con game that is the “war on terror” is that such a war is ultimately undefinable. An undefinable war has no set enemy; the establishment can change the definition of the “enemy” at will to any culture, country, or group it wishes. Thus, the war on terror can and will last forever. Or, at least, it will last as long as corrupt elitists remain in positions of power.
As I have outlined in past articles, most terror groups are creations of our nation's own covert intelligence apparatus, or the covert agencies of allied governments.
ISIS is perhaps the most openly engineered terror organization of all time (surpassing Operation Gladio), with U.S. elites and purported anti-Muslim terror champions like Sen. John McCain and Gen. Paul Vallely making deals with “moderate” Free Syrian Army rebels who immediately turn out to be full fledged ISIS fighters (I'm sure they were not “surprised” by this outcome) and the Obama Administration blatantly funding and arming more “moderates” which again in turn seem to be crossing over into the hands of ISIS. Frankly, the whole idea that there is a moderate front in places like Syria where alphabet agencies reign supreme is utterly absurd.
The bottom line – our political leadership, Republican and Democrat alike, created ISIS out of thin air, and now the American people are being expected to relinquish more individual liberties in the name of stopping this fabricated threat. Apparently, the Orwellian police state structures built under the auspices of the Patriot Act, the AUMF, the NDAA, FISA, etc. have not been enough to stop events like the Chatanooga shooting from occurring. So, what is the answer? Well, certainly not a reexamination of our insane foreign policy or an investigation into government funded false flag terrorism; that would make too much sense.
Instead, the establishment claims we need MORE mass surveillance without warrants, tighter restrictions on individual freedoms, and even, according to retired General Wesley Clark, internment camps designed to separate and confine “disloyal” Americans from the rest of the population.
Remember, all of this is being suggested in the name of stopping ISIS, but the language being used by political elites does not restrict such actions to ISIS related “extremists”. Once again, the war on terror is an ambiguous war, so ambiguous that internment camps supposedly meant for those the government labels POTENTIAL Islamic extremists could also be used for potential extremists of any group. Once the fuse is lit on the process of rendition, black bagging, internment, and assassination of citizens, any citizens, without trial, there will be no stopping the powder keg explosion to follow.
I believe that the power brokers that dictate legal and political developments within our country are preparing to turn the full force of the police state machine against the American people, all in the name of protecting us, of course. I do not need their brand of “protection”, and neither does anyone else.
It comes down to this – in the face of an increasingly advanced technological control grid, either liberty movement activists and freedom fighters must develop our own countermeasures, or, we will lose everything, and every generation after us will blame us for our inaction, if they remember us at all.
Keep in mind a countermeasure must be decentralized. Bitcoin, for instance, is NOT a practical countermeasure being that it relies on a centralized and monitored global internet in order to function. It also does not encourage any tangible production capabilities or skill sets. Therefore, it does not provide for the function of a true alternative economy. It is a false solution and a useless countermeasure to a fiat currency based economy.
A real countermeasure to a controlled economy, for instance, would be a localized barter economy in which people must develop ways to produce, rather than play make believe with digital cryptocurrencies.
Countermeasures do not always have to be high tech. In fact, I am a staunch believer in the advantages of low tech solutions to high tech tyranny. As many are already aware, with the aid of Oath Keepers I recently developed a long term wearable cloak system which defeats FLIR thermal imaging, including military grade thermal imaging. Something which has never been offered on the civilian market before.
But this is only one countermeasure to one major threat. I will continue to work on defenses in other areas in which I feel I am best qualified, however, the movement needs more R&D, and we need it NOW before it is too late. I would like to suggest some possible dangers, and how people with far more knowledge than myself could create tools for defeating tyranny. I would also like to examine some simple organizational countermeasures which EVERYONE should be undertaking right now.
Community Defense
This is an amazing countermeasure for the liberty movement because it removes the monopoly of state control over individual security. Nothing pisses off the establishment more than people taking individual and community defense into their own hands. Fear is the greatest weapon of a corrupt government, and if they can't keep you afraid because you are your own security, then they have lost considerable leverage over you.
This dynamic is represented perfectly in the Oath Keepers Community Preparedness Team model, which has been utilized successfully in places like Ferguson, MO. Today, in the wake of the Chatanooga shootings, Oath Keeper teams are volunteering across the nation to stand guard (discreetly) at military recruiting offices. The recruiters themselves, who are forced to remain disarmed by the DoD, appear to be thankful for the Oath Keeper presence. This kind of effort shows those in the military that the liberty movement is not the great homegrown monster that the government and the SPLC have made us out to be. It also throws a monkey wrench into the use of false flag terrorism or terrorism funded by covert agencies (as ISIS is) as a means to herd the masses into totalitarianism in the name of safety.
You might not be an engineer, or a tactician, but anyone can and should be organizing security teams for the places they live. Nothing could be more important.
Community Food Reserve
Am I talking about feeding your entire neighborhood or your entire town during a crisis? No, not necessarily. But, if you found an innovative way to make that possible, the rest of the movement would surely be grateful. Preppers do what they can for themselves and their families, but the bottom line is, if you are isolated and unorganized, all your prepping will be for naught. You are nothing more than an easy target and no amount of “OPSEC” is going to hide the fact that you will look well fed and healthy while everyone else doesn't. The solution to this is to organize community defense, as stated above, but to also organize a community food reserve.
I highly suggest approaching already existing groups, like your local churches if they are willing to listen, and discussing the idea of food stores, water filtration, and shelter scenarios. If you can convince at least one community group to make preparations, you have just potentially saved numerous lives and stopped the exploitation of food scarcity as a means to dominate your local population during disaster.
WiFi Radar
Active WiFi based radar systems have been developed over the past several years which can see through walls (to a point) and potentially detect persons hiding in an urban environment. The number of radio frequency based radar projects coming out of the dark recesses of DARPA have been numerous, and each project appears to revolve around the goal of complete surveillance ability, or total information awareness. Such measures are not as effective against a technologically advanced opponent, but they could be very effective in dominating a lower tech civilian population.
WiFi radar in particular is a rather disturbing concept, and not a field that I am personally well versed. I have seen some examples of radio-wave based personnel tracking and have not been all that impressed with the visual results, but this is only what has been made available to the public. Sometimes, the DoD will present a technology that does not work as well as they claim in order to strike fear in the minds of their enemies. That said, sometimes they also use tech tools that work far better than they let on.
Luckily, radar countermeasure information is widely available to the public, and WiFi blocking and absorbing materials exist also. Liberty champions would do well, though, to look into active countermeasures along with passive, and devise methods for jamming WiFi radar altogether.
RFID Matrix
RFID chips are a passive technology but rather dangerous under certain conditions. With a grid of RFID readers in place in an environment such as a city, or a highway, a person could be tracked in real time every second of every day. He might not even know he is carrying a chip or multiple chips, the trackers being so small they could be sewn behind the button of a shirt.
This is one threat which would probably have to be solved with higher technology. I have seen RFID jamming and “spoofing” done by civilian computer engineers, mostly from foreign countries. But, this should not just be a hobby for computer experts in technical institutes. The Liberty Movement needs portable RFID jamming and spoofing capability to ensure that these chips, which are set to be ingrained in almost every existing product in the near future from clothing to cars to credit cards, can be rendered useless.
Drones Vs. Drones
The predator drone is not the biggest threat on the block anymore in terms of surveillance ability. DARPA has been working on other drone designs similar to the A160 Hummingbird and the MQ-8 Fire Scout; lightweight helicopter-style UAVs that can stay in the air for up to 24 hours and provide overwatch in a 30 mile area. And lets not forget about JLENS surveillance blimps (also ironically referred to as "ISIS" Integrated Sensor Is The Structure project) which can and are outfitted with high grade cameras and radar that can be used to track people from 10,000 feet up in the sky.
This is the future of combat operations and the lockdown of populations. Standard military units will be reduced as much as possible while UAVs will be deployed en masse. Air power has always been the biggest weakness of civilians seeking to counter corrupt governments, but this is actually changing.
While they may be lower tech in certain respects, civilian based drones are actually keeping pace with military projects, if only because military projects are restricted by bureaucracy and red tape while civilians are encouraged and emboldened by profit motive. Range and elevation limitations in the civilian market are purely legal right now, and such limitations will be of no concern once the SHTF. For the first time in history, common people now have the ability to field an aerial defense.
The DoD is well aware of this, and is already working on measures to counter enemy drones through their Black Dart and Switchblade program. The Liberty Movement needs its own Black Dart program.
Long Distance Radio And Codes
Regardless of the region they live, liberty activists should be developing their own radio code methods for secure communications. There are a few existing frequency hopping and coded radio systems out there on the civilian market, but these are short range units usually with around 1 watt of power. This makes them ideal for quick operational comms and difficult to listen in on simply because their range is so limited. That said, longer range radio communication will likely be essential for the spread of information from one region to the next, and no one should assume that regular phone and internet will be available in the future. News must travel somehow.
This means HAM radio, using mobile repeaters to avoid triangulation, and old school coded messages. The R&D portion of this issue I believe needs to be in the use of an Automatic Packet Reporting System (APRS) for the liberty movement regionally and nationwide. This is a kind of “texting” through HAM radio, and combining this with traditional low tech cipher coding may be our best bet for long range secure comms. It could also help defeat drones that intercept standard messages and use voice recognition software to identify targets.
Decentralized Internet
Information sharing makes or breaks a society. Without the web, the liberty movement would not have found the success it has today, and the alternative media would not exist, let alone be outmatching the readership ratings of mainstream media sources that have otherwise dominated news flow for decades. Unfortunately, the web is NOT a “creative commons” as many people believe. It is, as Edward Snowden's revelations on the NSA proved, a highly controlled and monitored network in which there is essentially no privacy, even with the existence of cryptography.
The great threat to the establishment is the possibility that people will begin building an internet separate from the internet; a decentralized network. Recently, an inventor named Benjamin Caudill was slated to release a device called “Proxyham”, designed to reroute wifi signals and remove the possibility of government monitoring of digital communications. Strangely, just before the release of Proxyham, Caudill pulled all devices with the intent to destroy them, and will not be releasing the source code and blueprints to the public as planned.
Clearly, something or someone scared the hell out of Caudill, and he is rushing to appease them. We don't know who for certain, but my vote is the NSA. And if this is the case, it means his project and others like it are a threat to the surveillance state, and must be released to the public ASAP. If Caudill doesn't have the guts to do it, then the liberty movement must.
An alternative internet would be a holy grail in the fight against tyranny, if only to show the world that people can indeed decouple from the system and create advanced networks themselves, and do it better than the establishment.
These are just a few of the areas that require immediate attention from those with ingenuity in the liberty movement. The time for talk is over. The time for tangible action has begun. Beyond the need for immediate local organization by those preparing for social and economic breakdown, there is a desperate need for out-of-the-box thinkers to develop countermeasures to technological fascism. It's time for the movement to go beyond mere intellectual analysis and provide concrete solutions. There is nothing left but this.
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i may have something but they will kill me first
Carrier pigeons, graphite pencils and small strips of paper.
If things get real bad you can eat the pigeon.
Gubmint schools are teaching boys to be sniveling little snowflakes who can't handle life without "help" from the gubmint and girls to be bitchy a$$kickers who hate boys (although who wouldn't hate sniveling little snowflakes?).
We're done.
"Innovations To Counter Technological Tyranny"
innovation 1: be really, really loyal
innovation 2: be really, really nice
innovation 3: be really, really humble
innovation 4: "how can I serve thee better?"
innovation 5: thine enemies are mine own
innovation 6: slow down, please, so that I can copy what you are saying
"BlackN Proud" 4 days ago
"Who cares , we all gotta die one day."
Right on BlackN Proud. Until then send these slimy FED FUCKS every false positive that you can possibly think of.
Pour vinegar into their honeypots.
The political system is fed and maintained by an unseen army of local operatives and politician-wannabees. National and even state-level campaigns are impossible without these people, who can easily be located and disuaded.
Think globally and act locally.
Learn to take your loss of liberty personally.
ISIS ain't that tough.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F1OEwz3SoHM
I have no difficulty believing that the video of the fake ISIS execution production facility is for real. I also think that it was intentionally "leaked" by the same people who produce the ISIS videos. However only Rita knows for sure...
Have an alibi ready for the 25th of July OK? (Long shot perhaps but you never know...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm7ZGs-ScGA
The George Washingtons, Simone Bolivars, and other revolutionary heroes of yesterday are the Snowdens and other anonymous hackers who expose the beast today.
ISIS...you mean like Archer?
WTF is this article anyway. Gummint g00nz are still using the Intertewbz to surf Teh Pr0nz, and dronezez to shoot firewerkz at Brownzie wedding partiez. Libertarians need to out-innovate that? Are you shitting me? I say give the .Gov all the tech it wants. Gummint still fucking relies on Snail Mail for IRS notifications, Jury Summons, draft letters, DMV revenuers. Gummint still relies on Roads and Highway Revenuers. If you ignore those mechisms, it uses on anachronistic armed thugs to kidnap you. Gummint still thinks aircraft carriers, tanks, and larger guns, are a demonstration of strength, and economic sustainability.
Meantime, in free market land, there's cryptograhpy in general, darkweb, crypto-currencies, AirBnB, 3D printing, Microbrews, Food trucks.
The State is still the 5 year old in the corner, eating paste.
Seriously. Don't you think it's possible that that video is brought to you by the same honey pot recruiters that condition and seduce young Jihadi dupes as patsy warriors for ISIS.
You can't have full spectrum dominance without creating and controlling the resistance as well.
Tell-tale signs: repetition of the phrase Only I...only I....[only <eye>] will remain plus the Maltese Cross was a give away, to wit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrXkT1NbSAk&sa=X&ved=0CCcQ9QEwCWoVChMIoO...
@ 3:47 in the link for your umbrella icon
Urban pigeons are stupid and easy to trap. Or use a pellet gun.
you left out the typewriters
RFID Chips!
I just got a new credit card, because my old one just expired. It had an RFID chip. I called the bank and requested a new card without an RFID chip. He said that the government now requires all new cards have the chip. I'm gonna cut the chip out and use cash for 100% of my in person transactions (unless I barter or use silver of course).
I have 2 credit cards (and my new passport) with RFID chips. I feel sooo secure!
I can' wait until I get it implanted in me so I can't lose the card. It will be so convenient.
If you noticed they keep extending into our privacy four our benefit. GPS is better than using a map. Cell phones are better than land lines. Smart phones are better than flip phones. Driving trackers to lower car insurance.
They are making the sheeple beg to monitored and tracked. It's time for me to start to get out of this web before I get too tangled. Cash purchases. Next phone will be a flip phone. Not using GPS...ever!
realmoney2015, Have you thought about testing to see if the RFID can withstand an electro-magnet, I mean a really big one, that would pick up cars and busses? I haven't tried it yet, but when I do, I'll post the results...
CONditioning, CONditioning, CONditioning.
"Do NOT fear the chip"
--General Wesley
My cc is in my wallet and someone buys 2 iPad 50 miles away....with my card
It has a chip.... close and cancel
But what about my credit score? Closing lines of credit negatively affects your score. What will I do?
Haha... Seriously, though, I would like a way to make online purchases. I guess I can just write down all the numbers and make my own card. It just wouldn't have the chip and the strip.
Flip phones w/o GPS?
I'm afraid they can still discover your location by cell tower triangulation :-(
I remember a time when they recommended you keep a land line, back when 911 couldn't locate you if you called from a cell phone.
How times have changed, but the reasoning is the same:
Do what we tell you to do, so we can find you, and "fix" your "problems."
My Smells Retardo debit tard expired and they sent a new one. A week later they sent a new new one - this time with that fucken chip. I kept using the old one. They sent a letter pretty soon saying I had to start using the one starting July 14th.
It's a "secure chip", dontcha know?
Fucken scumbags.
There are ways to generate small EMPs that will destroy RFID chips...
Yes, but after you zap the chip, the card will only be good for swipe readers. Stores are switching to readers that require the card be shoved into a slot... in other words, in many stores, you can't swipe the magnetic strip anymore. For example, Walmart is rapidly switching to the new readers which require you to shove the card into a slot.
I haven't heard anything yet, but I believe the integrated electronics may be storing photographs of you (among other things) each time you attempt to use the card...a little creepy, this push to collect more and more detailed personal data points. The slot's 6-position electrical contact with the card would certainly allow a high capacity flash memory functionality to be implemented.
I'm sure the cards do not have GPS units at this time however... I think that is a good ways into the future.
This is great news for my BitCON brothers. No? The painless 'anonymous' currency of the future.
Long live the NWO!
Put several layers of aluminum foil in your wallet where your bills are kept. It provides protection against anyone reading the chips inside your cards.
There are genetic markers typical in people like Wesly Clark that biological weapons can target. But none of that is needed although you can be certain it is already available. The singularity is fast approaching. There is one law that will never be overriden and that is: that which destroys existence shall always be destroyed. Just give it a little time and this too shall pass.
Easily destroyed...bury the NSA/CIA/FBI/whoever spooks with noise. Easily done. Read some of this guys stuff:
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/
"As many are already aware, with the aid of Oath Keepers I recently developed a long term wearable cloak system which defeats FLIR thermal imaging, including military grade thermal imaging. Something which has never been offered on the civilian market before."
A cleal pane of glass defeats thermal imaging, reflectivity is the key. Those tin foil hats will come in handy one day
A cleal pane of glass?
Whatever that is use something that blocks the infrared wavelengths and you're invisible. Glass doesn't do that.
Thick wool blankets.
Not if you're touching them.
Wrong, stand behind a window in clear view of someone with a thermal imager and they will pick up your own image not the person behind the glass, I have several thermal imagers, tried and tested, thanks for playing though.
Wrong, Infrared radiation passes directly through glass (Hint: You have glass lenses on your infrared cameras. They work, correct? Or are all of your images simulated images because the infrared radiation won't pass through the glass camera lens?). You are stating that the sun will not heat a room through glass (heat transmitted via the infrared spectrum).
Thank you for playing. Maybe next time instead of guessing do some research?
THERMAL not infared. Glass has insulative properties as regards to THERMAL (heat) transfer, which is one reason it's used for windows and one reason it blocks thermal imaging......
Please. That is silly. Glass is NOT used to block heat. This is why windows are made with two panes with a gap between them, the gap often times filled with an inert gas. It is the inert gas that doesn't conduct heat well. The glass passes if straight through. Glass easily and readily transfers heat and allows infrared radiation to pass. You know nothing about infrared radiation, heat, and heat transfer.
Mylar.
End of story.
You can't wear a piece of glass, and heat will show through as soon as you touch it. Mylar won't do it either. I own FLIR and nothing hides your heat while touching it, but the Oath Keeper suit looks promising.
One tip Brandon, edit the video for the cloak and run 'Normalize'. If you adjust volume for the music, you can't hear a thing you say. If you adjust for the dialog, your neighbors a block away can hear the music. On popular open source video editing programs, 'Normalize' under the audio menu is the routine to compensate.
Always run it through FFMPEG to strip the hidden metadata.
Command line:
ffmpeg -i in.mov -map_metadata -1 -c:v copy -c:a copy out.mov
Yes, hiding behind a pane of glass or mylar blanket will mask your thermal signature. And when I'm scanning the forest and see a blob with no heat signature I will investigate and you will be found........
Nothing tests a man's conscience like a red dot appearing on him, center mass...
Or concentration. We tested that on pizza delivery guys 25 years ago when I lived in a South Florida condo.
The First Amendment according to Wesley Clark: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, though Congress may imprison the people who exercise such right."
You have the right you just can't exercise it, mmmkay
In the U.S. in which I grew up, the "journalist" would have questioned Clark's statement regardless of political stripes.
General Wesley Clark Suggests Putting "Disloyal Americans" In Internment Camps
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-20/general-wesley-clark-suggests-p...
Clark: pussy-ass war criminal.
The bombing of Serbia in '99 is to the eternal shame of the United States.
It really is that fucked up isn't it. Sometimes it's hard to believe since things appear so normal all around us.
If Christine Lagardes Illuminati friends are really running the show then Saturday July 25th, 2015 may be a day that goes down in the history books...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm7ZGs-ScGA
Just sayin'...
watching the Clark clip, it sure looked like he was reading from a teleprompter, with very active head movements attempting to mask reading his lines....did he write it and didn't care to memorize it, or didn't want to drift off, maybe...
scripted reality
the internet IS our tool to counter the snoopers... with all the very real "1984" issues the net just keeps getting better, for those with the curiosity to really learn & use it...
"The great lesson from history that each consecutive generations seems to forget is that the tools of tyranny used outward will inevitably be turned inward. "
That goes for women too....take note...
So... either I'm schizo or someone is fucking with me. I definitely did not post this comment nor several others on my comment history.
If the goal of individualists (the so-called "liberty movement") is to increase individual liberty in the fictitious "nation" they live, THEY LOST... UTTERLY.
And they have absolutely zero chance to win. Period.
Their biggest problem is... they continue to waste virtually all their time, effort and resources on inherently self-contradictory approaches.
Why self-contradictory? Think about it.
They are individualists. The want individual liberty.
But what do they do? Organize like a collective. Their approach can only be accurately characterized as "collectivist individualism". They have been trying to organize and operate a collective to push their agenda... individualism (individual liberty).
That's just crazy... and about as close to self-contradictory as one can get without being exactly so. At the very least, the approach is contradictory to their nature and goals.
Does any potentially successful approach exist?
Yes. And it is well known throughout history. Get the hell outta dodge. When you live where the predators are in control, you pick the location that is most compatible with your personality and tastes (in climate, geology and so forth), and you MOVE. You get the hell outta dodge.
Note that I say you get the hell outta dodge. You. An individual. After all, you are an individualist, aren't you? Screw the collective. You're not part of a collective, are you? Or are you? Figure it out.
But my main point is... this works.
For most of history, individualists who were fed up with the predators screwing up their lives tended to move to a frontier. Today, literal frontiers are more difficult to find... human predators now dominate almost every corner of the planet. However, one can VASTLY improve their situation by moving to a better location.
Just living where you aren't considered "citizen" makes a HUGE difference. In many if not most places, the local human predators tend to consider you "a welcome guest likely to spend outside money into their economy" rather than "one of their citizens == slaves".
That's a HUGE improvement. And if you choose wisely, you're life will be improved in many other ways too. If you love rural life like I do, you can virtually or completely avoid ALL contact with the predators-that-be where you live. I moved to the extreme boonies in the southern hemisphere over 3 years ago now, and have had ZERO contact with anyone remotely like an "authority". So can you, if you want to move as far away from human populations and set up self-sufficient digs like me.
My message to individualists (advocates of individual liberty) is WAKE UP! Start acting like individualists, not collectivists. All of a sudden your life won't seem so hopeless. Because it won't be, any more.
PS: As an individualist, you can still collaborate with A FEW other individuals. But the tendency is always to let them slow you down. So don't allow that to happen. Make your own plans and execute them as fast as possible. If what you're doing appeals to one or two others, fine. Let them tag along IF THEY HELP. But DO NOT under any circumstances let them slow you down.
I agree but only to a point. Some of us are not of pure ideology, but rather see the benefit of individualism as a priority but not an end unto itself. To me, the concepts are not mutually exclusive. Want to live in the woods and not be bothered by drones, the tax man, etc? Great. Have at it and I won't bother you. But want to live in a city with other people and benefit from collective things like roads and sewers and courts and common currency and police (and likewise where you need to agree not to affect other people negatively if you fail to respect their property rights), then let's figure out a way to live together that involves cooperation but not enslavement to a central power.
If that's what you want at this point in history, then YOU ARE A SLAVE. If that's okay with you, then enjoy your life with my kind blessings.
For those who want to run their own life... my advice applies.
If you were living in the woods being self-sufficient and living off the land, you would not have an internet connection, much less a ZH handle. But keep singin' your song. There are many here who will blissfully sign along.
WRONG. I am 100% self-sufficient now. Yes, the last 10% of self-sufficiency took me two years after I moved into my self-sufficient digs.
If everyone on earth died, I would live exactly the same way I live now, though I have to assume the internet would go black. I can live with that. Easily. Finally, I do indeed grow and raise all my food. I had zero experience with that, but applying high-tech techniques, I was able to reduce the effort required to only about 10% of my time. Most people would be surprised how little space and effort is required to generate enough food for only one human being.
To be sure, not everyone could easily do what I did. I've been a scientist, engineer and product developer for my entire adult life, so I understand equipment and systems, and know how to keep them running. Part of the reason is, I lived alone for several years at a remote scientific research station, where I was self-sufficient except for food (one trip to a 24-hour grocery store and POBox every 2~3 months).
BTW, my self-sufficient digs and daily life are probably NOTHING like you imagine. My entire place is new, clean, modern and thoroughly high-tech. That's my nature and my life. Most of what I grow doesn't even touch the ground. Most is raised above the ground on long shelves. I don't even get dirty producing my own food. Well, most of the time (damn chickens... but I love to eat eggs and chicken).
Let's even assume that what you're saying is true. You are here, on the internet, telling us that anyone who seeks to work collectively is a fool. By definition, you are 1) on the internet, which is not of your invention or operation, and 2) telling people what to do and think while saying they are fools for thinking they should work with others conerning what to do and think. As for the first point, do you grow your own internet connection too?
You have NO IDEA what collective or collectivism means. I suppose I should just leave it at that, but...
I already said there is nothing at all wrong with individuals collaborating. I think that's great, and I said that too. But I also pointed out the practical difficulties and inefficiencies involved as the scale of collaboration grows.
So you are so stubborn and purposely disingenuous that you attempt to equate "working with a few other individuals" with "a gigantic collective movement that will change the way government works".
Get real. But most of all, get honest.
PS: Anyone who imagines the liberty movement will change the governments of the USSA into anything even remotely resembling "liberty" at this point in history is indeed utterly delusional. But they are also entirely free to waste their time, effort and resources if they wish.
Let's forget for a moment that you are living the a remote place but have high speed internet. Do you believe that all 5 billion of us can live in the woods, and if not, what do you propose that people do who don't live the woods?
You have a CHOICE. If my kind of life is untasty from your point of view, that's 100% perfectly fine.
HOWEVER, my message was supposed to contain another point. ALL the time, effort and resources you WASTE on trying to support a "liberty movement" will have ZERO positive results. Things will continue to get worse, because we/you all WAITED TOO LONG.
My point was supposed to be this. Whether you go as far as I did or not...
If you invest your time, effort and resources in making your own life more independent, more self-sufficient, more "out of sight, out of mind" to the predators-that-be, you can make a HUGE difference in the quality of your life.
If you invest all the time, effort and resources in a collective effort to do the impossible, you as an individual will get less than NOTHING for all your efforts.
Simple as that.
The choice is yours.
And go ahead, if you can find like-minded individuals to help you achieve a better life. But expect the problem I mentioned, and my advice to that is... don't let them stop you.
I also pointed out that the single [many not that] simple step of moving to somewhere you are not considered a "citizen" == "slave" can make a huge difference. You can still live in or near a town. You can still meet and hang around with lots of humans. You can do almost everything you do now... except the predators will LEAVE YOU ALONE for the most part. Isn't that what individualists and liberty advocates want, after all?
But they act as if they are blind to this.
Well, all except the expat "community".
PS: At this point in history, probably only 100,000 humans give a rats butt about individualism or liberty. The other 6 billion WANT to be slaves.
PS: I personally had to set up two tiny hardware repeater stations on small towers at high-points between me and where my internet connects. Cost me about $2000. Fortunately for me, I don't need to pay for the monthly connection! :-) That part was pure luck. Well, sorta.
You have glossed over my question several times regarding how it is that you are in a remote location growing your own internet, off the grid.
You don't consider the answer above sufficient? What additional information do you need?
PS: I don't know what "growing internet" means. I'll be happy to answer any question I understand.
"I personally had to set up two tiny hardware repeater stations on small towers at high-points between me and where my internet connects. Cost me about $2000. Fortunately for me, I don't need to pay for the monthly connection! :-) That part was pure luck. Well, sorta."
No, that's not sufficient. More like what I would expect to hear in a bad SyFy movie when one of the characters tries to explain his internet connection in the jungle. Let's call it, Octolibertarian versus Sharkliberal. Aka you are a fucking shill with an agenda.
You asked me no question, so I can give no more detailed answer.
My agenda in posting my message was to perhaps stimulate a few good folks in the "liberty community" to consider whether the best way to invest their time, effort and resources is to:
#1: improve their liberty and life.
#2: waste it all on a futile endeavor.
PS: If you'd been reading my ZH messages for the past 3+ years, you'd have read about my place in the boonies dozens of times. I didn't just invent this today to make some kind of point, or push some agenda. I have NOTHING to sell or promote.
Funny. I've been here a few years and don't remember you. Suddenly your're like NSA on ZH. Of course that's hyperbole. Please point me to your posts from say two years ago.
I don't know how to reach back that far. Do you? When I look at "account" and then ask to look at my own messages, it only extends back a few days.
Someone who has repeaters on hillsides can't point me to old posts?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-21/next-20-years-will-not-be-last-...
Probably messages 4883766 and 4901209 on 20140622 and others that follow in that thread will do. I did a google search to find it.
Not sure why I have to help you attempt to discredit me.
Because anyone with a pink machne gun, or who fashions themselves after such a person, has issues. Not to mention the bad market call.
At the end of this year (2015), come back and apologize OR demand I apologize. That's fair as far as I'm concerned.
Assuming you are who you pretend or claim to be, did you apologize to your investors for the last seven years or so? Or like all of you Rand types, does the slate get wiped clean in your minds for you every time you are wrong?
ignore duplicate.
My investors? I have never had ANY kind of financial operation (not even newsletter or similar). In fact, I've been a scientist, engineer and product developer since junior high school. I've been self-employed, and never had any investors.
So I have NO IDEA what you're talking about... not even a guess.
Honestann has been round for ages talking about living in the sticks, LTER. Not sure why you're getting so pissy about it; it's funny how quickly your veneer of civility peels away sometimes.
But I guess anyone who blames Greenspan's policies at the Fed on Ayn Rand, and conflates Libertarianism with Objectivism, must find ZH a confusing and angering place.
Thanks. But I guess one thing all of us who understand what is happening must be somewhat humble about is our timing. The tendency to guess things we know are coming will happen sooner than they actually do is extremely common... for me as well as everyone else. It is the responsibility of everyone to take the opinions of others, consider them, and then do with them what they judge best and wise. We do not tell, much less force anyone to do anything.
LTER, WTH - here's an HonestA post from CogDis's writing back over 4 years ago...back when she was a regular ol' baghead :) love you HonestAnne!
An Inconvenient Truth - the Truth Shall Not Set Us Free
by honestann
on Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:28
#1156506
Excellent article, and great photos too. I especially love that goldfish image! :-)
I agree with almost everything in your article as being a valid generalization. I sometimes wonder what it is like to live inside the mind of "normal" human beings. Your article fairly well describes what I always assume that experience must be like.
Though I have theories, I have never understood why everyone did not take the intellectual path I took at age 4. Different adults gave me different answers to even the simplest questions. That made it obvious to me, as it should every 4 year old intellect, that if we want to understand the world, we cannot depend on others. I also observed that different groups of people in different parts of the world had radically different ideas, habits and tastes in food, clothing and so forth... which made it obvious that humans everywere were NOT learning from reality, but adopting bogus ideas from the people around them.
For me, my decision to observe and think for myself at this point was obvious, a total "no brainer". I decided I must continuously observe for myself, draw my own provisional inferences, and rinse and repeat endlessly as long as I live. I have not had any reason to change that decision, or consider any other modus-operandi.
Why others never figured this out, I never fully resolved. However, I could observe the corrupt intellectual processes that others embraced, practiced and suffered, and many of these were indeed what the article describes. Actually, I assume everyone did arrive at this recognition somewhere along the way, but refused to make the obvious change to their intellectual habits. Somewhere between age 4 and 8 I came up with a visualization of myself as an "alien in orbit around the earth, observing a strange species". This metaphor identified my separation from the ideas and insanity of the species, and my intellectual independence and individualism. This has served me well, but annoys just about everyone else, because they want me to be insane just like them. Sigh.
Just for laughs, here is the best and most fun definition for "sanity" that I've come up with so far.
Sanity is seeing what's in front of your face, and not seeing what isn't.
Though that's a rather self-explanatory definition, read it carefully and slowly for more subtle understanding.
The other tiny contribution I'd like to make to this article is to point at the concept we call "fiction". I'd say the related concepts "fiction" and "abstraction" are the core of the "fatal flaw in human consciousness". The endless lies, fraud, misdirection and manipulation described in the article are made possible by the inability of most humans to recognize the reality or justification for each and every idea and concept their consciousness processes. In other words, humans (and their friends, parents, teachers, "authorities", "celebrities" and endless soundbites) jam random ideas, claims, assertions and statements into their consciousness without any real first-hand observation, validation or even consistency checks. Therefore, when their minds process these mental units (concepts, etc), the result is chaos and confusion, not consistency and clarity.
Usually people make one of two mistakes. They either recognize they are totally confused and accept just about anything as reasonable, plausible or possible... or they learn to attach rigid "true" and "false" to each idea based upon the assertion of some authority they or their parents, friends, teachers, government chose. Those who adopt the "confusion" model are easy for anyone to manipulate. Those who adopt the "authority" model cannot ever actually understand anything because they accept any assertion from their chosen authority or group, and nothing whatsoever from anyone else.
The "fatal flaw in human consciousness" is that humans are programmed by their evolution to take actions based upon the mental content. Any human who ignored his observation of a cliff or predator was quickly removed from the gene pool by "falling off cliff" or "being eaten by predator". When pre-historic humans had no language, this was a perfectly reasonable metaphysics, because in practice it simply meant "believe what you see". However, with the advent of language and abstraction and especially fiction, the content of consciousness was no longer limited to "what an individual can see", but could now contain "whatever any scumbag might assert to any individual".
But the evolved trust in "mental units" was already very firmly adopted and habituated by humans. Which led to the "fatal flaw in human consciousness"... which is "trusting ALL our mental units, not just those attached to our first hand observations".
The only "fix" for that egregious flaw is a self-conscious decision to save the "reality-status" of each mental unit with each mental-unit, and also to always refer-to and consider the "reality-status" of every mental unit when we perform those mental processes we call "consciousness". Unfortunately, this "fix" is not advocated or taught by anyone I am aware of, though I'm sure I can't be the only one on the planet. As far as I can tell, every individual who has identified and understands the "fatal flaw in human consciousness" has figured it out for himself or herself. Almost everyone today has agendas to push, and discourages first-hand observation and independent thought because they threaten their agendas.
How many people even understand what is a fiction?
How many people understand the "federal government of the USSA", and every other organization of any and every kind whatsoever is 100% fiction? This is quite easy to demonstrate, yet nobody but me talks about it as far as I can tell. Instead, people do exactly what the author of this article talks about... they accept and further these mass delusions, and even impose them upon their own mind!
Congrats on an excellent article, CD. If only humans knew what to do with the self-portrait you gave them. I've thought about writing about these problems from my different but complimentary perspective. Maybe someday, when I'm less busy, if that ever happens.
Many/most are LOST and no amount of "logic or reason" will turn them as the paradigm they support benefits them above all else including above ethics and reason. Most people's minds have already been made. They've already made their choices. I've mostly stopped wasting my time with the CURRENT generations as soon they (including myself, we) will become the PAST. I'd rather try to focus on those who will be the FUTURE. A person is largely formed in their first 6 years. Look to the future, don't waste too much time in the past (or what will be the past). ;-)
Rand, you just confirmed that you ignore any non-libtard comments. HA has been here longer than you offering some decidedly different viewpoints. I didn't always comprehend the message but now, having a framework within which to process them, I can better understand.
HA, if you researched Panama before your move, what were your objections?
Panama looked pretty good, except rainier and more humid than I prefer. Nicaragua seems like a brilliant move now... move there and buy land on/near the coast before the Chinese build their huge new canal. Personally, I wanted to make sure I only had to move once, so I moved all the way to the southern hemisphere.
There is such a thing as community without collectivism. Ever heard of Voluntarism? Read up on it. Individuals can work together (in large groups too) voluntarily to achieve a goal without sacrificing their individuality. You can have a movement of individuals with similar principles and goals, the paths of community and individualism are not mutually exclusive.
Absolutely. Read my last paragraph. But on the scale of a "movement", that's a collectivist approach, even if the goal is individualism.
I'm all for voluntary collaboration. But like I pointed out in my last paragraph, ALMOST ALWAYS trying to get more than 2, 3, 5 people to collaborate is like herding cats, and progress slows rather than speeds. Plus, endless disasters tend to ensue. Read about GGC for just one example (GGC == Galt's Gulch Chile).
PS: I tried diligently for several years to form a collaboration to create a tiny self-sufficient place to live in the southern hemisphere. Lots of interest. Lots of folks saying they're in. In the end, nobody would pull the trigger... except me ALONE.
Once I decided to "go it alone", I designed, built and moved into my self-sufficient digs 125km from the nearest human being. And I'm loving it. I can almost guarantee you that I'd still be trying to make a collaboration work if I didn't learn my lesson and get the hell outta dodge!
The wisdom I'm trying to convey is practical wisdom from considerable experience. I understand the theory quite well. That's what I tried first.
A movement is not collectivist if it is voluntary. Your argument makes no sense.
A collective is a substantial number of people, NO MATTER WHAT THEY THINK OR DO.
However, as a matter of fact (but not theory), show me a substantial size organized collective that does not attempt to impose their own desires on others. Note that most in the so-called "individual liberty" collective support some, just not as much, imposition of force against others. Very few are actually pro-liberty or pro-individualism, they just don't like some of the force done to them. Sad but true.
A collectivist system is a non-voluntary system enforcing certain principles, not just any random group of people. The liberty movement is entirely voluntary. No one is forcing anyone to participate. Also, any force the liberty movement promotes is in self defense, not aggression against others to force compliance.
I might tend to agree that "a collectivist system" implies if not demands force. But that phrase is different from the single concept "collective".
The reason is, the SYSTEM demands there be a collective. And so, that DEMAND must be enforced (to qualify as being that system).
But let's not get tangled up in subtle distinctions. I think we understand each other.
Just understand this. What I'm pointing out is the so-called "liberty movement" is self-destructive IN PRACTICE.
The reasons are two:
#1: They let the predators become so powerful, they can no longer win.
#2: They will never enjoy what they want, because they waste all their time, effort and resources attempting the impossible. Meanwhile, they could do what I did, which totally solved the problem FOR ME for all practical purposes.
See the point?
They are free to waste the rest of their time, effort and resources on an inherently impossible delusion. Or each can take those actions that will improve their individual life.
That is YOUR choice.
That is THEIR choice.
I learned my lesson and made MY choice.
And I'm loving it every day.
I am talking about COLLECTIVISM, not some elementary definition of a "collective". Also, your two points are overly generalized and not based in reality.
1) The liberty movement "lets predators become too powerful"? I'm sorry but, the whole of humanity lets predators become too powerful. The liberty movement is only working to clean up the mess the rest of humanity has contributed to. Also, how do you know they are too powerful to be defeated? You have a crystal ball?
2) What is "impossible"? What do "we" want? Your generalizations continue to be confused and dim. Also, if you choose to isolate yourself in an off grid home and do nothing to obstruct the tyrants, that is your choice. But keep in mind your choice does nothing to solve the larger problem at hand. If you (or your children) ever decide to come down out of your bunker to the rest of the world, it will not be an inviting world if everyone follows your advice and takes zero action. Also, if people do not work together to stop a totalitarian system from forming, there are no guarantees they will get to enjoy their little off-grid solitude for very long. Anything you can build can be taken away unless you and others are willing to fight for it. In fact, your isolation strategy only helps the banksters in the long run.
We're arguing with a phantom. It has high speed internet hundreds of miles from human civilization, and doesn't explain it. It also upvotes itself. It's full of shit.
125km is not "hundreds of miles", it is less than 100 miles. I hope you realize you just make yourself look like a disingenuous jerk to lie so openly.
You said you live 125 km from the nearest human being, meaning there is not a single human being within 74 miles of you in any direction. Not a single one. So me saying that you are suggesting that you are hundreds of miles from civilization is not disingenous. I guess in your fantasy/shill world there is a large city a few miles out from your no man's land which has a 74 mile radius. Where you live.
As far as I'm concerned, the 100 or so folks 125km from me are reasonably civilized (more so than most Americans). They also have electricity, high-speed internet and other basic conveniences.
The nearest large city is roughly twice as far. I never need to visit the "large" city (which I more or less think means 100,000 or more). I have zero interest in large cities.
Why on earth would you or anyone imagine that a small number of people (like 100) cannot constitute "civilization"?
So when you were reading Ayn Rand, did you imagine yourself as Galt? And did you also imagine you would close your investment company at the low of the market while telling your clients to bug out? I'm assuming for a moment that you are who are you pretending to be. And how did Ayn's friend Alan do, Ann?
How did I learn about Rand? Many years ago I used to talk with talented people about getting talented people together to go hide away from the predators-that-be. A few of them replied, "you sound like John Galt".
Naturally I replied, "Who is John Galt?".
And of course they laughed... being that is the famous phrase from the book.
They never answered me.
After a dozen times or so, I got annoyed enough (and not knowing why they laughed) to find out why they laughed, and get the book to read.
I don't agree with Ayn Rand, largely because I understand government is a fiction, simply a name for a certain pack of human predators. While she actually believes in government and the notion of a "legal monopoly on application of force".
Nonetheless, she did have a great many insights and obviously helped a lot of people. I can't say I got nothing from the book, but for me, it was mostly "been there already" from an intellectual point of view. But also, Atlas Shrugged was a very enjoyable read, for obvious reasons.
Alan Greenspasm was a total jerk, total sellout.
NOTE: Reading this string days later vs. the "be here now" dialogue that was going on...
But...go back and read all Honestann's posts again. And then tell me who the fuck talks like that, especially if they are truly free and above all others.
It's a very personal story without any real PERSONALITY.
The force has been programmed deeply into this one...
TOTAL next gen AI.
Tell me I'm wrong, bitchez...
I don't want to insult either Honestann or LTER.
They have different sub-cultures. And lately I don't want to insult any races or ethnic groups. I know Lawyers and City people are probably more outgoing than I am. And many people are more family oriented that I am.
Honestann is outgoing, thinks for herself, like all of us she may like wealth just as LTER probably does, but Honnestann knows that people are crazy and authority figures lie to us, commit fraud, conflict of interest, and they take gifts to get ahead.
LTER might be a lawyer and be much more involved with family and people as a city person might be, but we often make deals or give up values for our career or work, not saying that LTER would be a dishonest politician, but he is closer to a politician that honnestann.
Both Bring something to the discussion.
Live more like honestann. I don't have people like LTER sharing info with me, I am not part of a network or career group. I wonder if we see altruism and people helping people as Love. Honnestann values community and people helping people. So I'm not sure you can judge Honestann by some Ayn Rand Score Card.
Money brings choices and allows us to live off the grid or in seclusion. LTER is not the type to live in seclusion from what we know. We are all human. Let's not dehumanize anyone for their choices or personality. Libertarianism is about live and let live, freedom, liberty, individual choice, individualism.
TV88,
"Honnestann values community and people helping people."
I think you need to read slower, and more carefully.
You have missed the blatant fact that honestann's comments show that she lives way out of reach in the jungle/forest, and that she has no neighbors, and that she is a litmus test for how gullible commenters on ZH will be.
You might learn much by carefully reading here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/search/user_comments?username=honestann
PS- I know honestann makes some good points- I would agree. But, overall, the comments "she" makes are ludicrous, without foundation, and would lead any sane person to question "her" comments.
My points are 100% based upon reality.
THAT WAS MY POINT.
And I know, because I supported the "liberty movement" for years, and the world got continually worse (less free, less liberty, less individualism, more predatory and corrupt).
And then I took a different approach, invested my time, effort and resources to improve MY INDIVIDUAL LIFE.
It is simply a FACT that my individual life improved massively.
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#1: Yes, everyone let the predators-that-be get too powerful. Damn straight. However, those who don't care much for liberty, who actually WANT and EXPECT and DEMAND to be slaves can't be expected to help. Can they?
I know for certain the predators-that-be CAN be defeated. Fairly easily. However, I also know all existing approaches by the liberty community have ZERO CHANCE.
#2: There are three fundamental ways to deal with predators, whether those predators are humans or other creatures.
A: exterminate them.
B: build some kind of inpenetrable environment.
C: relocate yourself to somewhere without [dangerous] predators.
In theory, all three can work.
A: If the so-called "liberty movement" was willing to treat the human predators AS predators, I'd join the fight to exterminate them. BUT THEY ARE NOT. They continue to treat them like civilized lifeforms (honest, ethical, productive, benevolent human beings). THAT CANNOT WORK. In such a situation, PREDATORS ALWAYS WIN.
B: This would be a massive undertaking, possibly could happen, but I can't figure out how in practice.
C: This works. I proved that. So have thousands of others. Maybe millions, though few have taken this approach as far as I have (and they don't need to).
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To answer the rest of your second question... it won't work as long as liberty advocates attempt to treat human predators as civilized beings. If a substantial number of liberty-types ever become ready to simply exterminte predators because they are dangerous... the way they'd be willing to exterminate wild vicious tigers and lions roaming your neighborhood... then they can prevail. Otherwise they'll just get themselves rounded up and killed or caged in FEMA camps. That's not for me! So I chose option C... get the hell outta dodge and become self-sufficient.
As for the long term, I plan to be off this planet long before anyone even knows I exist (where I am). Currently, nobody does. Most folks have no freaking idea how little the human predators-that-be care about someone far, far, far from human population... who earns ZERO, who buys/sells/trades [increasingly close to] ZERO.
I can assure you the predators-that-be do at least a little cost-benefit analysis. They will NOT go digging below every sand dune in the Sahara desert "just in case" some doofus dug in there. Or search every square meter BELOW the every ocean floor in case someone set up self-sufficient digs there. BE REALISTIC.
honestann, interesting string as always I tend to see things your way. Humans have a range of behavior, but in the USA, in Capitalism, in Government... people like to pretend that humans have a limited range of behavior and want to assign a Standard range of behavior as in fascism... like no one will be angry, dumb, sleepy, non-tribal, dress & look different, not be using drugs, not have a right to drugs or different spirituality or interest in consciousness,... the list goes on and on. First Do No Harm. Let people live & explore the world and their own lives. The concept is Sovereignty of all people not to have to kowtow to authority.
Government and police and lawyers want to contain human behavior, but prohibition has always failed in a wide range of behaviors.
However we make laws and regulation to try to limit fraud, embezzlement, stealing of property, and violent crime.
"A: If the so-called "liberty movement" was willing to treat the human predators AS predators, I'd join the fight to exterminate them. BUT THEY ARE NOT. They continue to treat them like civilized lifeforms (honest, ethical, productive, benevolent human beings)."
True. Very True.
A glance at FBI Employees... well all lawyers may follow a pattern similar to descendents of wealthy families... They keep their nose clean, but they fail to see that ethical issues they breach into which are conflict of interest and having a blind eye towards people in power or in office or just powerful people.
Lawyers are often just career builders who will do anything to get ahead, twist the law, damage constitutions, make everything complicated, empower banks and central banks to make everything complicated, and total forget civil rights to have simple, streamlined, and standardized rules that the common people can understand with a 6th grade education. And I include finance and individual taxes. How else can a citizen run a business or vote or be free from encumbrances that cost him more money hiring experts.
Libertarians should know we must Simplify, Streamline, and Standardize... to get courts to work, to limit liability, to limit executive compensation, to get accurate and useful financial ratings, to make auditing work, and to enable government officials actually see the big picture... at all.
My approach is all government must Simplify, Streamline, and Standardize. It is well known and not a new concept at all.
Today the US Government, Congress, Executive Office... are intent on Agendas of the Wealthy, the Corporate powers, or the money from their many Lobbyists & PACs.
We know 4,000 years ago the people lived the same as us in a modern civilization, wrote laws in a Bicameral Government just like today, had socialism, had liability laws, had contract law, had technology, had medicine, had liability for doctors, had property laws, had laws for damages, had standards for damages.
- Standard Laws should be carved into stone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
- Well, these laws from Sumeria are the laws that transmitted to Judea, and from there on to other cultures... They had slaves, values for slaves, weighted shekels, and without computers they could think, but obviously their solutions are suppressed... by humans who are just lawyers, bankers, politicians, clerics, government servants, and the wealthy
The point is modern humans are like 100K-200K years old or older. We don't know our history, but these older people carved the laws into stone to standardize them.
- Standard Laws should be carved into stone
Simplify, Streamline, and Standardize so that a 6th Grade education can read your laws carved in stone.
I had a feeling this was a Brandon Smith article before I clicked on it.
Few, if any, technological terrors can't be stopped cold with a well placed bullet.
If said bullet cannot reach or defeat the technological terror directly, it can probably reach and defeat the supporting cast of resources, equipment, remote operators, and support personnel it depends on to function.
No power grid = No tyranny.......
Easier said than done. Bullets don't work unless there are smarts behind them. We'll never succeed without countermeasures like the article suggests.
Hate to be the negative nancy but most of this is worthless"
1. Community defense doesn't and won't work unless every single member is IN and this won't happen outside of very rural communities. Building a network and having trojan horses/Tories among your midst ins't any sort of secure anything.
2. Any sort of community food supply is not only inherently public, it's virtually indefensible - again, outside of very rural communities.
3. A civilian group, no matter how prepped will always be hugely deficient relative to gov technology. From the wifi radar to NODS, thermal, drones, cell triangulation, database threat assesment, etc, etc - we created a technological net and we all live IN it. There is no escaping this short of a continental EMP event.
4. Civilian drones may be the one bright spot, IF there is a mass satelite outage (this is how .MIL drones operate) - though few civilian own such things as of this writing. Though this story may change significantly in the next 2-5 years for the civilian market.
5. RFID seems fairly useless in a SHTF situtation which likely would not take place short of mass power outages. Plus the max effective range of 100 meters limits their use to urban areas where the prepper community would not likely be operating anyway.
6. HAM has promise but even with repeaters the parent tower is pretty easy to spot. These towers - I have one 3 doors down - would likely be the first and easiest to take down. Moving them into a tree line might work but then again the .GOV has a record of all licensed HAM ops so that might be a target list in and of itself.
7. Alt Internet - don;'t see this as being effective as a real SHTF situation would most llikely involve lack of power.
Solution? Entire free states that have seceded. Independent pockets within troubled areas would have little means to evade opposing forces. Individual familes, maybe - but communities who resisted would face vast odds relative to technology, resources and force.
"A civilian group, no matter how prepped will always be hugely deficient relative to gov technology."
Blah blah blah. It's one thing to possess tech. It is an entirely other thing to have the wisdom to use it, and to survive without it. Gummint still thinks the interwebs is for surfing porn.
Lastly...how did all that tech work in Afghanistan?
Your point about Afghan is spot on and makes my point. Their resistance does not rely on high tech. It's a false sense of security was my point. I'm not sure our tech-reliant culture - including the prepper culture - has the means to resist a technologically dominant force. Without a tech advantage any resistance would require space to operate. This space could stretch the tech capabilities of any foe.
The prepper culture tech relaint? Uh, no. We train to do everything without tech if we need to.
Umm, the entire article was about use of tech by the prepper community! That was what my comments are aimed at,
Uh, the article states that they promote "low tech to beat high tech". Did you actually read it? It also does not make the claim that preppers should be "dependent" on tech, so your point is meanignless.
The point is to make it costly for the government to maintain its surveillance state. The HAM thing is a good idea. You don't understand the possibilities of operating in a low profile manner with low power. As an active ham op I have made contacts to over 75 countries at less than 5 watts, many with only 1 watt. It is possible to make it very difficult on the surveillance state but we have to try.
And as a licensed HAM the .GOV knows who and where you are, right?...
You don't have to get a HAM license to learn how to use HAM. Also, no one is going to be using their HAM call sign post collapse anyway.
Exactly correct, if shtf call signs will be optional. The licensing is a technical proficiency test. Also, there are already many pirate operators in the 11 meter spectrum, with modified cb and ham radios.
They only know what I tell them. Yes, they have my old address. I have latitude in how I operate and under duress I may not play by the rules. The Feds would be hard pressed to know if the ops choice of words or psudo-random mistake is code or not. The bottom line is they would be hard pressed to do anything about how I or any ham operates. The key thing to consider is there are 700,000 or more ops in the USA and it would be nice to have more ops, the feds just don't have the resources to clamp down on a 700,000 ham radio operators. The technology of ham radio is in the hands of people who can biuld it from scratch, all working in diy community that is very independant. I don't fear the feds and am confident that they could not stop me from operating.
nRF24L01+ module w/ antenna +
Custom protocol w/ encryption +
MSP430 Launchpad + AA Batteries
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= Endpoints and repeaters
Sorry but all your points are either based on assumptions or just plain wrong.
1) Community defense is working. Look at what the Oath Keepers did at Bundy Ranch or the mines in Oregon, or Ferguson. Not to mention the outreach they are doing with the recruiting centers. None of the good things they've done already could have been achieved without community organizing.
2) It depends on the community. If you live in an apartment building and most or all the people are on board for food storage and defense, then there is no reason why you shouldn't set up reserves. Not doing it under the blind assumption that "resistance is futile" is a little lazy, don't you think?
3) All you've done is make more assumptions based on nothing. If the surveillance "grid" is so invincible, then why don't the banksters have their new world order yet? And, even if it is invincible, what does it matter? Either you fight, or you become a slave. Choose.
4) How do you know what civilians own or don't own? More assumptions...
5) You're assuming every area will be without power. The banksters may lock down some cities and supply power while trying to starve out the rural populations. In fact, they seem to be preparing to do just that. Not to mention, this is what Stalin did, and these guys tend to recycle their evil.
6) The article mentions mobile repeaters, not stationary.
7) There is such a thing as alternative power sources. And Darknet could be an option.
Organized neighborhoods and towns would have a much better bet of surviving an initial collapse than a lone family. You're too focused on the guys in black, and not at all on the hungry looters and all the psychos off their meds. You have to survive them first before you start worrying about Spec Ops goons and Red Dawn. Good luck doing that on your own, and good luck trying to get your state government to secede!
I'm still very suspicious of the Oath Keepers.
Explain to me how anyone in law enforcement can claim to be a legitimate "Oath Keeper" when they are part and parcel of the grossly unconstitutional war on drugs/terror/freedom, etc? Everyone in law enforcement pisses on the letter and spirit of the Constitution just by "following orders" and "doing their job" on a daily basis.
So what if they promise not to seize your firearms during the next natural disaster or shtf event! That's an easy promise to keep because disarming millions of Americans would be suicidal. How about they refuse to enforce the war on drugs? How about they refuse to participate in civil asset forfeiture (aka highway robbery)?
Well, first of all you're holding all police accountable for the actions of some. I don't like most cops either, but the Oath Keeper cops I've met are good guys and many of them are against the war on drugs. You do what you can with what you have. Demanding these people achieve libertarian purity is counterproductive, because they never will, and really, who the fuck wants to be a libertarian purist? Teaching them the value of the constitution and allowing them to grow and change over time is a valid effort. I would rather spend my energies convincing them to refuse to enforce martial law instead of spending my energies teaching them the potential joys of cocaine (though some cops already know that joy). Its about priorities, and an all or nothing attitude is not going to get things done.
I realize you are taking a reasonable, realistic approach toward this subject, but push is going to have to come to shove very soon. Each government thug (not just the cops) is going to have to draw their own personal line in the sand and either enforce increasingly blatant unconstitutional laws or QUIT.
Any cop that hasn't quit or retired over the grossly unconstitutional laws they are expected to enforce has retired mentally and morally and sided with the government.
1. Community defense works when .GOV backs down, sure. When they don't?
2. You really think any urban collective has a chance, you're dreaming. My point was of the difficulty of getting suburban comms to play nice. I have my own reserves but the rest of the block - no way to herd them in today's "get along" environment.
3-4. The point was that when push comes to shove civies have scant resources compared to the .GOV. They won;t be an advantage let alone offsetting. The local national guad has more o this tech than yopur neighborhoof x 10.
5. My premise was no power for anyone.
6. Yeah well .GOV will know the location of virtually every originating site so....
7. Darknet, LOL. Seriously!>
Encrypt everything and if you are lazy or without the skill set you can use www.hushmail.com or various other easy to use encrypted email services. Use a VPN (virtual private network), they are cheap and effective, if you need a good one try goldenfrog, they won't rat you out or try an off shore service like IP Predator from Sweden. Use a Faraday pocket (cost $20.) for your phone so it won't broadcast or receive when you want privacy. Also use TOR or TAILS for much of your browsing and tweeting. At the very least "WE" need to make it difficult for the surveillance state to operate. If you do nothing and you find in the future a boot is stomping on your face forever, you can think of this post and that will be a sad day. Do it, stand up to the surveillance state or you will have nobody to blame but yourself.
Talking about an "alternate internet" shows a misunderstanding of the way the internet works. There can be no "alternate internet". Sorry to burst your bubble.
http://piratebox.cc/openwrt:diy and there are many other possibilities for creating a guerilla net. An alternate network may include the darknet as just one of many outlets and outposts to a greater guerilla net.
Beastie Boys - Body Movin' (Fatboy Slim Remix) - Solid Gold Hits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7i0ezQg2_4 (4:08)
"RFID chips are a passive technology but rather dangerous under certain conditions. With a grid of RFID readers in place in an environment such as a city, or a highway, a person could be tracked in real time every second of every day. He might not even know he is carrying a chip or multiple chips, the trackers being so small they could be sewn behind the button of a shirt."
Might be an interesting area to capitalize on. Sell door frames with degausses / microchip zappers in them. When you leave for work each day you get "zapped" and fry any chips on the way out the door. you pick up a few "bugs" during your daily travels and then come home to the wifey and kids and ZAP...you're clean again.
The possibilities are endless...
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any leads for active rfid zappers? jammers ?
more details for the zeros please
A springboard would be bulk tape erasers. Same principal, just ramped up.
what happened to all this jade helm shit....
Or you could stop electing sociopaths into office. A third party (which would really only be a second party) to run against the idiots that are now running the US gov. Simple really elect only people who pledge to vote using the constitution as their guide. If they do not do it throw the liar after a good coating of tar and feathers and bring on the next guy.
If one has to depend on his wage for survival, he's already a wage slave. Why do they want to kill their wage slaves who create surplus values for the system?
Oh yeah and in Australia too.
Click on image for full article...
Australia: The End of Freedom? We are Sleepwalking into a Surveillance Statehttp://newworldorderwatchblog.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/australia-end-of-f...
This eight hundred years old calcified Anglo-American US regime permeates every crevice of social, economic, religious and political life, sprinkled with controlled opposition, controlled environmental and social movements, controlled attitudes and behaviors down to community and family level with twisted propaganda of rampant individualism, selfie-egotism, and vicious rat race to te bottom of “progress” i.e. oblivion.
There is no sliver of freedom and liberty in the US and barely ever was. The people are reduced to bio-robots run by animalistic fear of unknown, ready to betray everyone including themselves for a moment of fleeting security of belonging to the herd led into slaughterhouse.
What’s left are just few lonely flashing chimes of freedom dying out there every single day, true human beings rejected and alienated from what’s left of humanity while we all are pretending not to see them.
A very telling tale about true system of control we are subjected to everyday without having slightest idea what is really going on in our lives, I found at:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/matrix-of-control-a-s...
You have an inaccurate view of history.
We, the people must get the right to vote with the money, then, I'm quiet sure you will see vigilance in abundance.
To be clear, people shall decide what to pay and what not.
That we not have this right, in a society were money has become top priority, this is the the criteria to name us slaves.
If there is one that has no saying to the matter of life, to be specifically, what matters - make a step away and look at the picture.
How to get the full piece human if prevented to enter that stage.
If not coming to the point, you maybe have a look at your foible to patronize people.
Can you stretch to heaven if this feature isn't involved.
The great lesson from history that each consecutive generations seems to forget is that the tools of tyranny used outward will inevitably be turned inward.
I don't want to pour cold water on this contention, but it's not true.
Only in America.
To every man his drone.
I am an historian. It is generally valid, and more a rhetorical device in this context that an historiographical argument.
Quit nitpicking.
I have been studying tyranny and tyranny´s vulnerabilities for quite sometime.
The tyranny occupying and oppressing the American country and people is vulnerable in several ways:
1) They depend upon our continued payments, service, of their fiat debts. Debt funded with wealth stolen from us, the people. If we quit paying, first on their fiat-debt, and then their taxes, their whole ponzi will collapse down upon them. No oppressed society in history has had such a weapon at their disposal. This IS their Achilles heel.
2) Tyranny is highly dependent on a fragile system of spying and control. When the time comes, any and all outdoor government, and their private partners', cameras shall be disabled. "Do you track me now?!"
3) Systems. Tyranny is highly reliant upon systems and technology that are easily disrupted or disabled. Fiber cables, Satellite up and down links. Cell towers. Hangars. Computers. Database storage devices. Radio towers... The so-called Information Age is really the age of interlinked databases. Kill the databases, and/or the links to them, and you kill off much of tyranny's ability to function effectively and efficiently.
4) And above all else, remember, that tyranny draws sustenance from you, us. From what they steal from us. They cannot survive without us. They need us, while we do not need them.
Additionally:
Study the art of warfare and insurgency, and what others have done to defeat tyranny. The Vietnamese, the Algerians, the Iraqis, the Afghans, the French in WW-I, etc. However, the preeminent strategy of insurgency is that you pick the where and when of all engagements. Regardless, you should have a large body of knowledge to fall back upon when the time comes.
If you read and memorize one book, that book should be Sun Tzu's "The Art of War." There are others, like Clausewitz, however The Art of War is like the little black book that one should know forwards, back, and upside down. Its tenets should inform all of your thoughts, plans, movements, and engagements. Always.
Study the doctrines, methods, and tactics of your enemy. The CIA, the Pentagon, etc. Know what they do, how they do it, but above all, know why they do what they do.
See you on the battlefield, or listen for my tapping out of "YYZ" from one of Zion's basement cells.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
You need to frequency hop the WiFi tranceivers between your router and your laptop. On top of that you can randomly superimpose a phase shift on top of the carrier envelope to osbscure phase information that a snooping device is looking for. Of course both of these methods would require synchronization, which implies Zigbee or BT Low Energy parallel link, but this is emminently doable.
Seems like a fun project.
Everyone's a EE on ZH. Fuck me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BYdZ_24yg0
Hey General,
First order of business when the revolution begins, your satellites.
http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2013/07/hillbilly-tracking-of-low-ea...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUYxk-y-tU8
Wouldn't the easiest and most effective thing to do is focus the collective attention on the US-based producers of these products? No product, no tyranny. I believe the American Insurgency "pressured" local producers to not cooperate with the Empire.
This is an interesting topic. I personally am glad that there are groups out there like the Oath Keepers and The Three Percenters who present a counter point to the swatification and collectivation of the nation. For the last two thousand years we have seen a push to organize the world under one political, religious, economic system. I think we have reached the apex of that trend.
Collectivization is incredibly energy intensive. I don’t think current energy consumption levels are sustainable. Consequently I expect decentralization to be the dominant trend over the next millennia. While the state is spending prodigious amounts of energy in an effort to control every aspect of our lives, counter currents are visible in the matrix. One of the most significant counter currents is the arming up of the civilian population. I have seen nothing like it in my 65 years of existence. A second counter current is the rising level of distrust in government within a host of factions that make up the body politic. A third is a rising consensus that the political process has been coopted by multinationals and no longer serves the interests of the nation.
We know as complex systems decay they reach tipping points that bring on systemic failure. Some of us sense that we are reaching one of those tipping points.
from your lips to god's ear..hope has been body bagged with a toe ID.
Great point about collectivization/centralizartion being very energy intensive. The hungry snake is eating it's own tail and has run out of tail.
Regarding the "arming up of the civilian population" the gun and ammo craze of early 2013 has no parallel. The good was millions upon millions of private citizens spending their hard earned money on firearms and ammo, and waking up to the reality of things. The bad was grown men stampeding and rampaging and at Walmart the moment an ammo shipment hit the sales floor.
Government is in a unique position in that the more it fails the more it's power grows. the incentives for government officials and bureaucrats is to break more so they can control more.
To paraphrase Mo Ti, a carpenter, plumber, mechanic and landscaper are held to certain standards, while government officials are not. Until those in government are held to a standard this will always continue.
The way to hold them accountable is with a Fourth Branch...
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/277193
THe claim ISIS was created out of thin air is a bald faced lie, which makes the rest of the article rather bogus.
THAT is a false argument. By that ridiculous standard, one error in the whole encyclopedia would render EVERY entry invalid.
Idiot.
It comes down to wrecking shit and killing people. They kill us or we kill them.
The devil is in the details. See to your own logistics; no one else will. Food and water are the biggies--you eat every day, you do not fight every day.
Get machine tools, even small ones. A good welder, a plasma cutter, rolls of fence wire, sandbags, and sacks of concrete.
I'm not scared.
Look what "stunt fighters" did to the Death Star.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/07/23/us-government-power-is-at-...
I think the government has lost, and that there is no way to win a war with citizens in a modern industrial society. There is no shortage of weapons in a modern industrial society, and the infrastructure is entirely too vulnerable, so government will look stupid the first day of the fight.
The exception to that, of course, is when everything is failing already, and gov already looks stupid, thinks it isn't still ultimately about who believes you, that power will triumph. That exception hasn't been lately, tho the military argues it has just been having a run of bad luck, could happen to anyone. Sometimes your hot, sometimes your not.
Our government is playing negative-sum games. Problem with negative-sum games is you can lose. Why risk losing when there are risk-less ways of achieving the same thing? Bad strategy.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/people-can-lose-zero-or-ne...