The Middle East Nuclear Power Play No One Is Talking About

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Submitted by Melissa Hersh via OilPrice.com,

With all eyes currently transfixed on Iran’s nuclear future, there is seemingly little attention being paid to another landmark Middle Eastern nuclear trend, spearheaded by Russia.

Moscow’s strategic investment in Middle Eastern nuclear-energy development is cementing long-term influence in capitals ranging from Tehran to Riyadh, Ankara, Cairo, and Amman. With Washington’s own relationships with those governments floundering since the rapprochement with Tehran, and relations with Moscow back at Cold War levels, is the lack of U.S. engagement on this issue hampering overall U.S. foreign-policy objectives?

Sure enough, the rationale behind regional efforts to develop nuclear power can vary. It can signal a “coming out” into high society, where nuclear bling connotes economic and national prestige. It can also signal a forward thinking commitment to clean and consistent energy diversification. Or, it can even hint at the possibility that a country could move to weaponization. But, whatever the reasons are for the Middle Eastern countries to pursue nuclear energy, what is clear is that in making this decision, each country requires significant foreign assistance—assistance that in turn comes with significant political leverage.

Enter Russia.

Russia’s state-owned nuclear vendor, Rosatom, provides a menu of offerings to countries seeking nuclear power. Bespoke orders can include a range of flexible financing, construction, ownership and operational solutions all underwritten by Moscow. In some cases, the entire menu is ordered. The result is that Russia gains a long-term, strategic and commercial relationship with host nations.

Russian pledges and promises to Middle Eastern nations to become a partner in their pursuit of nuclear energy mirror similar pledges in Europe, Asia, Africa and South America. The political capital banked by the sovereign sponsor—Russia—of such nuclear deals should not be underestimated. Nuclear financing is a long-term, complex and expensive endeavor with little-to-no short-term dividends, and long-term benefits are difficult to quantify. However, Russian nuclear deals are the cherry on top of other infrastructure projects, making it a “win-win” proposition for both sides.

The first and only nuclear project to date in the Middle East that has received Russian money—roughly $1.5 billion—is in Turkey, set to break ground in 2016. This is the first time the Build, Own, Operate (BOO) project finance model is used in the nuclear industry. Similar arrangements have been proposed for Jordan where Russia’s pledged stake is just shy of half of the proposed $10 billion project expected to commence in 2017. In Egypt, a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with Russia has been signed, but timing and financing are yet to be determined. In addition to an existing Russian plant in Tehran, Rosatom has pledged two more plants. And, most recently, Saudi Arabia and Russia signed an MOU in June building on existing plans to invest $10 billion of Saudi FDI into Russia, amidst deteriorating relations with the United States.

While the decision to go nuclear requires significant capital outlay, if promises of a sovereign commitment are made, it can help to sweeten the deal. What happens, however, when the sovereign guarantor is itself experiencing geopolitical and financial volatility, and promises and pledges are not fulfilled? As of mid-2015, the Russian economy is facing its worst crisis in decades, hit by plummeting energy prices, the fall of the ruble, Western sanctions, capital flight and a concerted effort by Europe to reduce reliance on Gazprom. The likelihood that Russia can live up to its nuclear promises is looking questionable, given the number of commitments it has made to Bangladesh, Nigeria, Vietnam, Hungary, Finland, Turkey, Iran, Egypt, South Africa, Saudi Arabia and so on. Even for Russia, this starts to add up.

Enter the United States?

Russia’s current and foreseeable economic constraints indicate the possibility of not being able to deliver on pledges and MOUs, thus providing an opportunity for the United States to step in. Should the United States want to wield its smart power toolbox, providing support for the American nuclear industry will be crucial. And failure to reauthorize the U.S. Export-Import bank is like shooting oneself in the foot. And, nowhere is this more important at the moment than in the Middle East.

The Middle East is still exceedingly relevant to U.S. interests, even despite the Asia pivot and America’s newfound wealth of riches coming from shale oil and shale gas, which reduces its import dependency on the Middle East. It is still a major area of instability and of strategic importance. The United States will still import its oil for decades to come, and maintaining safe and open shipping lanes are critical to global commerce. As such, the United States cannot become victim to “flavor of the month” thinking in its foreign policy.

By supporting nuclear power plants in the region, the United States could kill three birds with one stone: curtail Russian influence in the Middle East; exert strategic influence and presence in light of the Iran deal to safeguard its relationship with regional allies; and support domestic nuclear-industry exports. This calculus makes sense even before taking into account the Iran deal.

Furthermore, as the United States is undergoing a domestic renaissance in nuclear innovation, it would seem it is a good time to support overseas nuclear power plants (NPPs), as well as stave off foreign competition in the nuclear industry and exert regional influence and contribute to economic development in the Middle East. And while the U.S. nuclear-industry strategy has long been in decline, there is an opportunity to provide sovereign sponsorship for NPPs to offset Russian regional influence in the Middle East. It is time to revisit the role that the Ex-Im bank plays in globally exerting American commercial soft power. U.S. overseas force projection should not be limited to military and humanitarian engagements.

Finally, as Washington already struggles to reassure regional allies concerned about its hedge with Tehran, not engaging enough on civil nuclear cooperation with other Middle Eastern capitals is a missed opportunity to reaffirm strategic ties. And the U.S. domestic nuclear industry risks losing out on vital new export opportunities. Taken together, a strong case for the United States to get involved in promoting nuclear energy in the Middle East can be made. It is unfortunate that while Saudi Arabia and Russia are able to engage in pragmatic compartmentalization of their policies, the United States is less flexible.

But of course, such a strategy is not risk free, especially in such a turbulent region. The Middle East is beset by domestic and transnational insurgencies, refugee crises, geopolitical competition and political instability. Hence, the risk for nuclear proliferation and accidents is very real. Any U.S. strategy in support of civil nuclear power must inevitably include strong export controls and verification processes for ensuring compliance. However, for countries looking to become first-time nuclear-power producers, discussing proliferation—and concerns over premature escalation—is quite possibly putting the cart before the horse. Large-scale project finance and infrastructure development are significant power-projection tools.

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ted41776's picture

are there enough fault lines in the middle east for putting GE reactors on top of?

y3maxx's picture

More Red lines being crossed by Russia....stealing more and more USSA business.

Unfortunately, USSA will start W W 3 before its own final implosion.

GRDguy's picture

Rosatom is simply another GE in that part of the world.  They pretend to be competitors, but are owned by the same financial sociopaths.  Kinda like two auto dealerships both braggin' they've got a better deal, but corporate papers show they're controlled by the same owners, who laugh all the way to THEIR bank.

greyghost's picture

well they do it again. crudeprice.com can't talk the price of oil up so let's move on to nuclear power plants? really, these jokers are starting to look and sound alot like cramer

JustObserving's picture

Russia’s current and foreseeable economic constraints indicate the possibility of not being able to deliver on pledges and MOUs, thus providing an opportunity for the United States to step in

 

Russia is not delivering nuclear plants for free but making a healthy profit from them.  So why can't Russia deliver?

Perhaps, nations do not want expensive American nuclear power plants like those that fucked up Fukushima for eternity.

Another worthless article from OilPrice.com

viahj's picture

this article sounds like its from the US nuclear industry lobby to further their profits, regardless of the horrible track record of the decaying nuclear infrastructure worldwide.  the planet has been irradiated enough by these bastards.

El Vaquero's picture

Russia has a new reactor design that supposedly has a complete fuel cycle, i.e. it burns up everything.  Waste from such designs is orders of magnitude less long lived than the shit that we're using today.  

KnuckleDragger-X's picture

That's the coming thing and it has a lot of promise, but the Russian design is still just a design. If they can get a deep pockets player involved, it'll save them a bunch of time and money.....

Augustus's picture

Puutie has sold the deals with vendor financing.  Little cash to the ruskies on the front end.    I'll bet even Tzipass would sign up for two or three on those terms.

Puutie is already suffering from failure from the Crimean adventure when he is long on promise but no delivery.  Any MOU with his name on the line is worthless.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-24/crimea-is-now-putin-s-problem-child

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DutchBoy2015 (not verified) Augustus Jul 24, 2015 1:34 PM

Pure bullshit. Crimea is doing fine.  Just saw report that a delegation of French ministers went to Crimea to see firsthand whats up. (against the wishes of their Ministry).

They said its all LIES and bullshit that is being fed to the West about Crimea.  

 

Volkodav's picture

get lost with your bloomberg crap

 

Toolshed's picture

Ummmmmm, after Fukushima, does anyone want GE designed reactors? I seriously doubt it.

orez65's picture

"Ummmmmm, after Fukushima, does anyone want GE designed reactors?"

It wasn't the GE designed reactor.

It was the height of the back up generators at one foot above the predicted tsunami flood level, which was exceeded by two feet.

That was an unexpected design screw up by Japanese engineers.

Something that critical should have had a much higher safety margin or a totally different and safer design.

El Vaquero's picture

And it shouldn't be put where there are likely to be tsunamis.  

caustixoid's picture

Anyway Reactor 1 started to melt down BEFORE the tsunami because the quake broke pipes circulating cooling water.  And then there's the cooling pools inside the reactor buildings... So yeah, lousy GE design.

Stumpy4516's picture

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, yes it was GE.  All of it.  Japanese engineers did not design the reactors, backup system or the site development or location of equipment. 

And as Causti posted below, the pipes within the building supplying water seperated before the failure of the backup generators.  The failure of the reactors was already underway.

It is also worth repeating that at the time of the design one or two of the design engineers for GE QUIT the project because their voices about safety were not being listened to.  It took a lot for them to make a career risking move to show some ethics for their profession and those who lived in Japan.

GE was (and had been) involved in changes to the plant at the time of the event.  I recall speculation they were adapting the reactors to accept more dangerous fuel.

Oldwood's picture

sounds idiotic to me.

Basically fund and build nuclear facilities in every part of the world that currently hates us, when we have a long history of freezing funds and droning, all at a time when we have aging nuclear plants here in dire need of overhaul, that we can't afford to even spend printed money on.

THE 4th Quadrant's picture

Russia knows that the oil is going to run out soon.

Ms No's picture

Russia's oil wont be running out anytime soon.

Stumpy4516's picture

Saudi Arabia has already started to process the have 17 nuclear plants operational within 20 yrs.

The US, France, Germany, England have all approved.  What is most telling is that Israel has not raised any objections that I am aware of.  Yet Iran is sanctioned for trying to develop even one.  It also seems both the US and Russia want to design and build these plants while in Iran, Russia's involvement in the design is vague (correct if Russia did the design) and the construction is by Iran without the Russian company coming in and performing the work.

PrimalScream's picture

powerplants?  Is that all for this story?

the Middle East is going NUCLEAR, period.

That's it.

The rivalry between Sunni's and Shiites guarantees this. 

 

Omega_Man's picture

The writer thiinks that all english speaking people must care only about US interests.. 

Well I care about Russia's interests as much or more than US interests....

I hope they do lots of deals and are successful... 

To think otherwise is being an asshole, looking for trouble, and shows you are a neocon.

Win win is the new way.

THE 4th Quadrant's picture

I bet it's an easy sell.

Who do you want to buy your nukes from? A bunch of queer tranny worshiping, mixed breed joo-mericans or us, the proud Russians.

roadhazard's picture

You forgot, Vodka drinking lushes.

Thisisbullishright's picture

Enter the United States??

Only if you want the most dangerous, completely insane country in the world to get involved in your internal affairs!!

You'd have to be fucking NUTS to agree to that!

 

Dubaibanker's picture

It's either insane or they will come in uninvited or send drones!

Would you like Fries with that? Freedom!

+1,000 for your comment! :)

THE 4th Quadrant's picture

I'd say israel is #1 crazy but USSA is just a puppet of israel so too close to call.

FREEDOM!

Quinvarius's picture

Was Obama attacked by a lion in Kenya...? 

Abitdodgie's picture

I wish , the only lion that attack's him is Micheal.

Dubaibanker's picture

What a load of crap!

USA has no money to support no one including its own implosion, so how can it help others!?

Foreign policy of US is all about retrenching by firing hundred thousand army personnel to leaving Afghanistan and withdrawing from Saudi and cooperating with Iran.

Russia is building 16 nuclear reactors in Saudi. 

Saudis set to build 16 nuclear reactors with Russian help

Meanwhile, both Russia and China have been allowed to build 2 nuclear reactors each in Iran.

China, Russia to build 2 new nuclear reactors each in Iran All this will help not only with the power situation but serve as a balancing act between Saudi, Iran, UAE on the one side and Israel on the other.  It is very important to note that Israel is the only nation in the Middle East with between 100 to 200 nuclear warheads while all other nations have it for peaceful purposes!
Reaper's picture

All US products come with new improved stuxnet technology installed.

Abitdodgie's picture

You mean all US products come with a handy back door for the NSA.

libertysghost's picture

How many more Fukishimas do we want?  Many more copiusly subsidized by US milk cows to enrich the benefactors of EX IM according to this author.

The Darwin Mode's picture

Wow, this article is shite. I expect it'll make the full MSM rounds... can we get Melissa Hersh on Power Lunch, or maybe Kudlow's Corner?

Ms No's picture

It's hard to imagine that the ZBIG plan would be checkmated without at least a assassination attempt on the new SA king.  Should be interesting.

AmericasCicero's picture

This article is Tyler trolling us, right?...

blazinrabbit's picture

Rubbish - this article was penned at GE HQ

Villageidiot777's picture

Rosatom project in Finland is quite questionable. Major Finnish energy company withdrew from the project, so now Rosatom is trying to keep the project alive by using suspicious front organizations.

damicol's picture

Yes Thank you Mrs Boeing, 

 

 How much did they pay you to write this fucking dross in support of your Exim Bank tax payer sugar daddy you fucking dumb shit.

 

Do you think we cant spot propaganda a fucking mile away here, and  cannot smell the fucking bullshit freely flowing from your fucking addled brain

localizer's picture

Melissa Hersh - a Truman National Security Fellow. The Truman Project's advisory board includes Madeleine Albright, Gregory Craig (White House Counsel under President Barack Obama from 2009 to 2010, Prior to becoming White House Counsel, Craig served as assistant to the President and special counsel in the White House of President Bill Clinton, where he directed the team defending Clinton against impeachment), John Podesta (Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton and Counselor to President Barack Obama. He is the former president and now Chair and Counselor of the Center for American Progress (CAP), a liberal think tank in Washington, D.C., and is also a Visiting Professor of Law at the Georgetown University Law Center. He was a co-chairman of the Obama-Biden Transition Project.) and Rachel Kleinfeld (senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace) is the Founder and President.

q99x2's picture

Lets everybody build a bomb just to see what happens.

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q99x2:

Your relatively off-beat insights are perhaps the best sardonic ways to present the manner in which we are living inside of civilizations which have become runaway criminal insanities.

The article above was of quite poor quality, due to the various reasons that previous comments posted above already outlined.

That article stated:

It can also signal a forward thinking commitment to clean and consistent energy diversification. Or, it can even hint at the possibility that a country could move to weaponization. But, whatever the reasons are for the Middle Eastern countries to pursue nuclear energy ...

Neolithic civilizations are all social pyramid systems, based upon being able to back up lies with violence. That developed through the long history of warfare being organized crime on larger and larger scales, which established the powers War Kings, that made sovereign states. Various national governments developed systems of legalized lies backed by legalized violence, which were overall supervised by the development of the international bankers, as the best organized gangsters, the banksters, or the Fraud Kings.

All of the progress in physical science has ended up being channeled through sociopolitical pyramid systems, based upon backing up lies with violence, in order to amplify that basic situation by many orders of magnitude. Everything is done through fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, whereby their dominance enables them to present themselves as being totally opposite to what they actually are. Inside that context, all calculations regarding the development of atomic energy are based upon ENFORCED FRAUDS.

That is the milieu into which atomic power entered, and which pumped those ENFORCED FRAUDS up by many orders of magnitude. The article above is typical in the degree to which it deliberately ignores that the ways that atomic energy were actually developed were PSYCHOTIC, because that happened inside of social pyramid systems which were based upon a long history of being able to back up lies with violence.

The "real" world that we are living in today operates through electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, which has become more "surreal" than "real," due to the ways that the realities regarding atomic energy are deliberately disregarded by the established psychological and political habits of the various people that dominate the various social pyramid systems around the world.

The first generation that grew up with the "realities" and "surrealities" of atomic energy manifesting through social pyramid systems based on being able to back up lies with violence, or based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS, is still alive today ... Nothing has happened to adapt to atomic energy becoming billions, then trillions of times more powerful than anything which previously existed in human history, other than greater and greater manifestations of MADNESS, i.e., MAD Money As Debt, backed by MAD Mutual Assured Destruction.

Overall, that situation of globalized electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, could be expressed as being the macabre: "Lets everybody build a bomb just to see what happens."

Generally speaking, people who are operating inside of the existing "markets" which are based on making "money" out of nothing to "pay" for strip-mining the planet's natural resources, in ways which are subject to being operated through fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, tend to deliberately ignore that overall situation, because it provides no "actionable intelligence" to better understand that Neolithic Civilizations have become runaway criminal insanities. Rather, "actionable intelligence" is based upon attempting to take advantage of those runaway criminal insanities, by staying inside of that frame of reference.

At the present time, it is impossible to imagine how the human species could change its politics enough to adapt to the progress in physical science enabling the development of technologies which have rapidly become millions, then billions, then trillions, and which are headed with alacrity towards becoming quadrillions of times more powerful and capable than ever before in human history. Since human history has been based on the principles and methods of organized crime, developing at an exponential rate, while those who were the best at doing that were also able to dominate societies, and make their bullshit social stories become the dominate social stories, built into the structure of the dominate natural languages, as well as built into the presumptions of the dominate philosophy of science, it seems politically impossible for our political processes to change enough to adapt to the progress in physical science.

Human beings are currently living through sociopolitical systems which are based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, which systems are dominated by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. Hence, that was the ways that natural resources were developed, to be strip-mined as fast as possible, by creating "money" out of nothing as debts in order to "pay" for that. The ONLY things that mattered were each short-term increment of continuing to be able to back up lies with violence. That is the sociopolitical situation into which atomic energy has been inserted, inside of the overall systems of globalized electronic frauds, being backed by atomic bombs. Therefore, the development of atomic energy is actually orders of magnitude more psychotic, in proportion to that atomic energy is inherently billions of times greater than chemical energy.

The underlying problems were always that the history of warfare had its social successfulness based upon backing up deceits with destruction, which then enabled the development of economics based upon backing up frauds with force. Human beings always lived through systems of organized lies operating robberies. However, progress in physical science has enabled those to be the foundations of the exponential growth of social pyramid systems based on backing up lies with violence, which kind of social success has become runaway criminal insanities, as those transformed from paper frauds, backed by gunpowder, to become electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs.

"The Middle East Nuclear Power Play" can not be rationally discussed within our kind of civilization, because our kind of civilization operates through combined money/murder systems based upon the maximum possible deceits and frauds, which are operated by the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. It is inside that context, where "reality" has become "surreality," that the development of atomic energy is discussed, in ways which are automatically becoming more psychotic every day, because the Grand Canyon Chasms between physical science versus political science continue to automatically get wider and WIDER. Atomic energy has been inserted in to social systems which are necessarily based upon the applications of the principles and methods of organized crime, in which is the growing paradox that those who are the best at doing that are also the best at lying about what they are really doing, because those overall systems were always based upon being able to back up lies with violence.

Atomic energy is the leading edge or spear point of all the other ways in which human civilization has become runaway psychotic criminal insanities, as demonstrated by "The Middle East Nuclear Power Play" being another example of how whomever was successful in surviving the previous selection pressures, to rise to the top of their own local social pyramid systems, are then able and willing to continue to operate inside of their world view, by developing their ability to continue to back up lies with violence, in ways which are headed towards: "Lets everybody build a bomb just to see what happens."

Theoretically speaking, human beings' political science should go through paradigm shifts which surpass those which have already happened in physical science. That MIGHT be the only way that human beings could survive developing technologies that have become trillions of times more powerful and capable than ever before in human history. However, at the present time, almost everything in civilization is controlled through systems that ENFORCED FRAUDS, by people who are the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites.

Since the ACTUAL development of atomic energy has been done inside of combined money/murder systems, which were based upon those being most socially successful when done through the maximum possible frauds and deceits, therefore, when atomic energy was injected into civilization, which atomic energy is inherently billions of times more powerful than previously available chemical energy, human civilization based on being able to back up lies with violence was amplified to astronomical sizes. Meanwhile, pretty well nothing else was actually done to adapt to that but more MADNESS:

"Lets everybody build a bomb just to see what happens."

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DutchBoy2015 (not verified) Jul 24, 2015 1:37 PM

Off Topic but just watched documentary about Solar Revoultion

An area the size of france in the Sahara could power the entire planet. 

Sahara, BTW, is as large as the entire lower 48 states.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr-grdspEWQ

cheech_wizard's picture

Sometimes you just know things are complete bullshit. Like a documentary that claims the following:

>An area the size of france in the Sahara could power the entire planet. The key word in that phrase is "in"...

Epic fail right from the start.

First thing that pops to mind is transmission line losses. I'll watch the video later to look for the more glaring technical pitfalls and shortcomings that I am sure will be glossed over.

So let's begin the dissection without even watching the video...

As of 1980, the longest cost-effective distance for direct-current transmission was determined to be 7,000 km (4,300 mi). For alternating current it was 4,000 km (2,500 mi), though all transmission lines in use today are substantially shorter than this.

 

Now the earth's circumference: 24,901 miles (40,075 km)... So halve those distances since we can get to the other side of the planet by going in any direction we choose. That leaves 12,450.5 miles or 20,037.5 km.

Standard Disclaimer: Anyone else see the complete fallacy in this documentary right from the start?


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DutchBoy2015 (not verified) cheech_wizard Jul 24, 2015 2:17 PM

Just watch the documentary before commenting furthur.   Watch it in detail.  NO where does it state that they want to make a solar system in the Sahara.  It was just an example.

Watch what they are doing here in Germany.  Watch closely,

Thanks

BTW, I know several people who have gone total solar even here in Northern Europe.  Before you go spouting about ROI,  just watch the video.

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DutchBoy2015 (not verified) cheech_wizard Jul 24, 2015 2:17 PM

Just watch the documentary before commenting furthur.   Watch it in detail.  NO where does it state that they want to make a solar system in the Sahara.  It was just an example.

Watch what they are doing here in Germany.  Watch closely,

Thanks

BTW, I know several people who have gone total solar even here in Northern Europe.  Before you go spouting about ROI,  just watch the video.

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As of 1980, the longest cost-effective distance for direct-current transmission was determined to be 7,000 km (4,300 mi). For alternating current it was 4,000 km (2,500 mi), though all transmission lines in use today are substantially shorter than this.

Sorry pal, you get an F- on your information above.  DC current at high amperages cannot be transmitted over significant distances because of severe voltage losses due to line resistance.  Transmission of high amperage DC would also require huge conductors which is not practicable (this is why the battery cables in cars are typically 3/8" wide - while an AC line carrying the same amount of power in watts can be much much smaller).  AC current on the other hand can be transmitted over very long distances with only minor losses due to line resistance.  This is why ALL of the high voltage transmission lines in EVERY country in the world operate on AC current.

cheech_wizard's picture

Dear Dickweed,

> This is why ALL of the high voltage transmission lines in EVERY country in the world operate on AC current.

Well, DUH... You get an "F" for conjecturing on what you think I know and don't know. There's a damn good reason AC won out over DC...(the size of the generators for starters). But I digress, my point was, (regardless of AC vs. DC) was that the original poster pointed out that if they built this giant fucking solar plant in the middle of the Sahara it could power the world. 

To which my answer was no, because (again who gives a flying fuck whether it is AC or DC) the transmission lines are no longer cost effective.

Hence, the original author (aside from making far too many double posts) would have made more sense to point out that in practicality, multiple large solar plants would be needed on each continent.

The only thing he possibly got right was the usage of completely non-arable land for placement.

Standard Disclaimer: You know, when I was a fresh-faced engineering student, we had to do exercises like this for some courses... Like given the technology of the time, how many windmills would it take to power NYC. The answer, after doing your best guess-timations based on available data, was far too many to be practicable.




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DutchBoy2015 (not verified) cheech_wizard Jul 24, 2015 2:26 PM

What I like about Americans is they never want to learn anything new or how other people are successfully implementing things.   /sarc

I doubt you will watch the video because you already KNOW everything.  

You know , kid, when I was working in Africa, I would sometimes be in the middle of nowhere but still could reach the world with my SATPHONE.   We also had a little solar setup 200 WATT that ran everything necessary.for a small tent setup.

Cost at that time was about 800 Euros.  Now its down to 300 dollars on Amazon.

I give up trying to tell people about solar.  America like always will be a day late and a dollar short.   Your infrastructure is archaic because you are cheap bastards who would rather spend trillions on bombing the crap out of people.

Have a nice day,  enjoy your ignorance.

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DutchBoy2015 (not verified) cheech_wizard Jul 24, 2015 2:26 PM

What I like about Americans is they never want to learn anything new or how other people are successfully implementing things.   /sarc

I doubt you will watch the video because you already KNOW everything.  

You know , kid, when I was working in Africa, I would sometimes be in the middle of nowhere but still could reach the world with my SATPHONE.   We also had a little solar setup 200 WATT that ran everything necessary.for a small tent setup.

Cost at that time was about 800 Euros.  Now its down to 300 dollars on Amazon.

I give up trying to tell people about solar.  America like always will be a day late and a dollar short.   Your infrastructure is archaic because you are cheap bastards who would rather spend trillions on bombing the crap out of people.

Have a nice day,  enjoy your ignorance.