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Furious Coal CEO Lets It All Out: "Obama Is Nation's Great Destroyer"
Murray Energy CEO Robert Murray, who spoke to Republicans at the Lincoln Day Dinner on Wednesday, is "righteously mad" at President Barack Obama, who Murray says is to blame for the downturn in the coal industry.
The President, you see, is on a "bizarre personal and political" quest to destroy not only the coal industry, but the entire country and according to Murray, "radical environmentalists, liberal elitists, [and] Hollywood characters" aren’t doing anything to help the situation.
And make no mistake, this isn’t about money for Murray, this is all about the people. "Mr. Obama's actions are a human issue to me, as I know the names of many of the Americans whose jobs and family livelihoods are being destroyed," Murray said, adding that "these Americans are my employees."
Or at least they were his employees. Murray laid off 21% of his company back in May, with the majority of the cuts coming in West Virginia, which is staring down a $195 million budget gap thanks to the slide in coal prices.
Murray believes these job cuts are the fault of the Obama administration and, thankfully, he’s got some concrete arguments to support his contention that the President is colluding with Hollywood characters and certain "contributors" in an effort to "get control of the availability, reliability and cost of electricity."
from SNL:
[Murray] said President Barack Obama's administration has issued regulations that illegally bypass the states and their utility commissions, the U.S. Congress and the Constitution in favor of putting the U.S. EPA in charge of the nation's electric grid. Murray, speaking at a Republican gathering at the July 22 Lincoln Day Dinner, touted his company's four lawsuits being brought against the administration's Clean Power Plan, an effort to rein in carbon dioxide emissions.
Murray continued, saying that the coal workers affected by Obama's policies are among the highest paid in the regions where they live, but also have no one to sell their homes to when they lose their jobs.
"Thus, these people are prohibited from working and fall to the negative side of the economic ledger for the rest of their lives," Murray said. "This is not the America that I have always cherished. Well, I am obviously not giving up. Nor should you. We have the law, science, economics, cold hard energy facts and the Constitution on our side. Our cause is right. It is right for the coal industry and our communities and America. … We must continue to do whatever we can to overcome the insanity of our current government."
Murray goes on to say that the scope of EPA guidelines on coal boarders on the absurd. In support of this contention, he cites the fact that the agency's regulations are 38 times longer than the universally accepted standard for modern enviornmental law - the Bible: "EPA regulations alone total 25 million words, 38 times more than those in the holy Bible."
So who, you might ask, can fix the problem?
Well, Abraham Lincoln for one, but because that seems unlikely, Murray says West Virginia Republicans will have to do. Here's SNL again:
The CEO's plan to fix the problems he says fall on the shoulders of the Obama administration is to elect more Republicans. Calling Abraham Lincoln, the namesake of the event where he was speaking, the best president in U.S. history, Murray said Obama was 'by far, the worst.' In 2014, West Virginia's House and Senate both flipped to a Republican majority after decades of Democrats holding control of both chambers. Murray said the Democrat-led state Legislature provided 'huge opposition,' and he specifically called out some Democrats, including former Senate President Jeff Kessler, former House Speaker Timothy Miley and State Sen. Michael Romano, who was elected to represent Harrison County in 2014."
Murray said with Democrats out of the way in West Virginia, the Legislature was able to proceed with needed coal mining, tort law and other legislation. However, he said there is unfinished business in the form of changes to lower the coal industry's tax burden in the state.
"Currently, the coal industry accounts for 7% of the gross business product of the state, but our industry pays 60% of the business taxes in West Virginia," Murray said. "Oil and gas producers are not taxed to this extent. Relief must be given to the coal industry as our coal cannot compete with that from other states, all of which have lower coal severance taxes, or none at all."
Finally, Murray says that "most coal companies are cash-flow negative and many are approaching financial default. The result is that we will see the greatest restructuring of the coal industry in its history." In this regard, things haven't been all bad for Murray who, while laying of 1,400 employees has simultaneously spent at least $4.6 billion (enough to pay the annual salaries of 54,120 West Virginia coal miners, according to data from the National Mining Association) in the past two years acquiring competitors.
In any event, not everyone thinks the blame lies solely with Obama. Bo Webb (who is admittedly biased given that he's a campaign director for the Appalachian Community Health Emergency Campaign) suggests that Murray should blame cheap and abundant natural gas and by extension, free market forces: "Murray is not dealing with reality. It's not the Obama administration or Democrats. It's capitalism. It's the free market. It's that simple."
You decide.
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Who is John Galt?
Secretary of Labor under the Rand Administration.
Obama is not the nation's destroyer. He is just a puppet for the rulers. Here is the most basic 1st step to free the country: End the Fed!
if your state is commodity-rich, count on being asset-stripped or asset-demonetized so that you can go ahead and become impoverished
however, if your state is commodity-poor, then you should count on a future of power and affluence
as long as you can lure enough of the Right People to live in your state
This man obviously doesn't understand Obama's "Hope and Change". /sarc
Wait until Hitlery arrives...
If that cunt Hitlery is elected President, it will be incontrovertible proof that God has abandoned humanity.
Coal industry destruction ain't the only Legacy of the Kenyan.
He should instead start a campaign against the AFL-CIO and their beloved UMW which helped elect the Kenyan in chief. However, taking on the unions is too logical and most businessmen would rather just bribe the union leadership than fight to extinguish these Marxist relics of the 1930's.
The CEO's plan to fix the problems he says fall on the shoulders of the Obama administration is to elect more Republicans. Calling Abraham Lincoln, the namesake of the event where he was speaking, the best president in U.S. history, Murray said Obama was 'by far, the worst.'
So Lincoln is literally the father of the all-powerful federal government he decries, and yet he loves Lincoln? How can he cite, with a straight face, states' rights in his comments?
West Virginia was unConstitutionally created out of territory from within the border of an existing state (Virginia).
What a moron. Just really unforgivably stupid. When people this stupid get to be "leaders", of companies or anything else, we are doomed. IOW, we are doomed.
Its pretty obvious by now the direction of this country
Layoff / Closing List: http://www.dailyjobcuts.com
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"Obama will pay for my gas & mortgage"
- Peggy Joseph
Someone needs to tell this idiot a few million in donations to the DNC will make the problem go away.
whaaaa obummer so mean!!! whaaaaaaa obummer controls global coal prices!!!! wahhhhhhhhh lower my tax rate waahhhh whine bitch moan cry
coal jobz is the future!!! doesn't any1 c that??
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Didn't you know, the numerous Murray Energy mine collapses were all Obama's fault.
"The Crandall Canyon Mine, formerly Genwal Mine, was an underground bituminous coal mine in northwestern Emery County, Utah.
The mine made headline news when six miners were trapped by a collapse in August 2007. Ten days later, three rescue workers were killed by a subsequent collapse. The six miners were later declared dead and their bodies were never recovered."
"In 2006, the mine was cited for several safety violations, including lacking the required number of escape routes.[7] Murray said that the safety violations were trivial and included violations such as not having enough toilet paper in the restroom.[8] In addition, a practice[9] referred to as retreat mining was being conducted in some portions of the mine in which the coal had been removed by room and pillar method. The extraction of material literally creates a 'room' while the ceiling is supported by the 'pillars' of coal that remain. Retreat mining refers to the common practice of removing the pillars while retreating back towards the mine entrance."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-24/murray-energy-said-to-...
Murray is marketing a $1.6 billion loan that would initially pay interest of 6.75 percent and be sold to investors at 98 cents on the dollar, according to a person with knowledge of the deal. The loan would pay 5.75 percentage points more than the London interbank offered rate, or 1.66 percentage points more than the average for new loans to similarly rated companies tracked by Standard & Poor’s.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/10/murray-energy-bonds-foresight-...
After struggling to raise the debt financing, privately owned Murray scaled back plans to take an 80% controlling interest in Foresight, reducing that to just 34%. It also ditched plans for a US$1.55bn two-tranche bond offering, and came to market with a smaller US$1.3bn six-year deal instead.
The bond priced on Thursday, a week later than expected, with a sharp discount of 96.856 to yield 12%, much wider than initial talk of 10.25%-10.50% on a five-year note and 10.75%-11% on an eight-year bond.
Murray is also paying US$1.37bn for the greatly reduced stake - just shy of the original US$1.395bn price tag for the 80% controlling interest.
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Let me see…
“They” TWICE voted for a half black guy with a sketchy background, counterfeit birth cert, a self-declared Marxist who was raised by Muslims & Communists & racists and with a very long track record of lying.
What The Fuck Did You Expect?
Why is it you are just now waking up?
"I did not run for office to be helping out a bunch of fat cat bankers on Wall Street," Mr. Obama said in an interview on CBS's "60 Minutes" program on Sunday.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB126073152465089651
True, that’s not why he ran for office. But that is what he has done. He ran for office so he could Fundamentally Transform America. Which he has done.
"I did not run for office to be helping out a bunch of fat cat bankers on Wall Street," Mr. Obama said in an interview on CBS's "60 Minutes" program on Sunday."
Utter horseshit. Helping out a bunch of fat cat bankers is EXACTLY what he ran for office to do, and that is exactly what he has done. The classic definition of an honest politician is one who stays bought, and by that definition Obama is honest to a fault, after all, his biggest contributor was Goldman-Sachs.
Obama sama is only second to Clinton
Who the F turned the best low sulfur coal reserves in the world into a national monument in favor of his Indonesian donor ???????
Read up……. Get a clue kids
"Furious Coal CEO Lets It All Out: "Obama Is Nation's Great Destroyer"
God... how the bankster powers that be must keel over with laughter when they read that one of their puppets is being blamed for all the ills of the country. Surreal.
J. S. B. ....
I was listineng to Beethoven's 5th and 9th last night...
I think he was Teutonic optimist.... :-)
.. but not as much as Wagner.
Obama might be a loser. But he's not nearly as destructive as Bush or Clinton. America needed a savior. And all they got was a black guy from Harvard.
Ahh, the 9th, the immortal 9th. If one thing is saved from the ruins of western civilization, it should be the 9th. It was the pinnacle of our greatness. Or something.
My "Mass in B Minor" isn't too bad, either.
The vote does not count, its two sides of the same coin, or do you still belive it does ? Idiot.....You must still try to see santa at Christmas as well then.
Obummer is fucking up your kuntry good and proper, are you all still sending your children around the world to kill innocent people ?
They never found Timothy, either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIMZHDvmIIM
Get'n me sum of dat Obama Stash..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I79wUEqBdQc
Saw Mr. Murray on Glenn Beck way back in 2012 and glad he's still fighting this treasonous, Marxist, scumbag out in public today.
Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfOUSGvsVZk
Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLv7SWXne1Y
It's possible that he gave Lincoln such accolades to pander to the republicans at the dinner, after all, they were celebrating the GOP's first elected president.
Or he could be a complete idiot. In either case, yeah, a genocidal totalitarian probably isn't the best name to invoke when complaining about federal overreach and demanding states rights -- certainly, Lincoln only should have been mentioned during his speech in order to clarify that Obama is merely the runner up to the most destructive president in US history.
God obviously has nothing to do with anything, if it exists. The Founders were mostly Deists, not Christians, and they believed in God but has nothing to do with our cancers, heart attacks, Aids, etc.
That is the reason that there will be no God Calvary. to save us, we are on our own. Hitlery is a cunt and is backed by the largest corporations and as long as this country is made up of mostly wastes of skin, we are doomed.
Religion is the scourge of freedom, it's basis of existence is to collect money from the flock and encourage freebies for the lazy, inefficient fuck-offs expecting free shit. When is humanity going to execute the serial pedophiles?
Truly mentally ill people get a free pass, they can't help themselves. Fuck a bunch of trumped up syndromes, grow a pair and shake it off.
God gave man free will and he gave his own son to die for all of our shortcomings. Also know that just believing in God isn't enough. You think Satan knows God exists? There is only one way to eternity...Put your faith in Jesus Christ.
No thanks.
I'm sticking with good old fashioned conservative pagan gods.
BTW... The universe won't even be here for all eternity
So good luck with that idea.
Are you saying Christianity is a "progressive" religion?
if the only way to eternity is thru Jesus christ, then the millions and billions of people who lived and died before christianity spread to them must be in hell or limbo.
If your God is that lacking in Justice, then opposition to Him is the path of Righteousness.
Jesus didn't call himself God's son in the Bible -- I greatly prefer his own description (again, according to the Bible). The concept of an afterlife is relatively new historically -- it's seems to be quite the fad lately (the last 1700 years or so). Are you following the (Christian) herd here? If so, do you really think that will win new converts on THIS forum?
I am NOT HERE to win new converts.
I am NOT CHOSEN.
I am going to Hell.
I am here...TO CONVICT YOU.
Of course that works to Glorify the Heavenly Father and Christ Jesus,
I have been called. But I AM NOT CHOSEN.
And YOU will not be able to use the defense that you were not exposed to the Truth.
I will be used as a witness...aganist you.
Enjoy your Hellfire. You are amongst the deserving.
I so love it when Bible-Thumpers talk about "The TRUTH (tm)". Your post has truly made my day, thanks.
p.s. Umm, you DO realize I wasn't talking to you ... right?
EDIT: I had my fill of "the truth" back when I was a practicing Christian discouraged from using my brain. Eventually, I took the red pill. Sorry, there's really no going back. Enjoy the Matrix dude.
Yes, SR you spend enough time in church and you will find Christians with the same shortcomings as everybody else. I see marital failures, addictions and family issues. I've also seen a man give much of his savings to buy a widow a decent car and have seen others spend thousands of dollars to help families adopt disabled children. My bottom line, A one world government is coming. Red pills and Gadsden flags aren't going to stop it. Doesn't mean you shouldn't fight it or expose it but its coming...And when it comes you will be told that you must serve it to receive food, goods and services or you will be put to death. But don't be discouraged!
http://www.raptureready.com/featured/twobear/twobears228.html
There are many kind people, and many are Christians. I bear them no ill will. I'm sufficiently paranoid that I do not dismiss lightly any good doom-and-gloom tales, including those in the Bible. I'll skim your link when I have time, but FYI, from your POV I'm a heretic -- I don't buy into Born-Again fever or rapture-ready superiority. Red pills are VERY helpful though -- no offense, but ... you haven't taken one, so how would you know?
"I don't buy into Born-Again fever or rapture-ready superiority"
1. There is no question that you must be "born again" to see the Kingdom of God: "Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” - John 3:3 2. There is no mention of the "rapture" in the Bible. The first mention of the "rapture" was made by a a daughter of occultists in 1830 AD. Christian and non-Christian humans will go through the Tribulation without "rapture."There is no question.....
Leads me to ask you one.
Do you have ANY concrete evidence for what you are typing.?
Yes- the fact that it is recorded in God's word, the Bible.
That is as concrete as it gets.
There's good reason for faith in the Bible and its teachings.
The 66 books of the Bible were written:
On three continents.
In three languages.
By about 40 different people (kings, shepherds, prophets, an army general, fishermen, priests, physician, etc).
Over a period of about 1,500 years.
On the most controversial subjects.
By people who, in most cases, had never met.
By authors whose education and background varied greatly.
Yet it tells a completely cohesive story, all based on the same theme, of mankind’s fall, and the Love God showed by sending His son as a sacrifice to buy the souls of all men wishing to be redeemed.
And what is required to be redeemed?
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” – John 3:16
Only a book breathed by God could meet the above criteria, and there is no other book like it.
It is The Word of God.
Fulfilled Prophecy:
It is not only completely coherent, it prophesied ~600 years in advance every thing that Christ would accomplish, in Isaiah 53: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+53
There are hundreds of other prophecies that He fulfilled, as well: http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html
Not to mention all the other prophecies that foretold in advance what would occur in what was then the future, take Daniels prophecy of Alexander the Great: https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/869-amazing-prophecy-in-the-bo...
It also accurately foretold many events hundreds or even thousands of years beforehand, the times we are living in, for example- yes- the end times, all going as foretold.
Proof that the integrity of the scriptures has been preserved:
It is a well researched and attested to fact that the Bible has been copied accurately and faithfully. On the integrity of the New Testament:
“As with all the previously published New Testament papyri (127 of them, published in the last 116 years), not a single new reading has commended itself as authentic. Instead, the papyri function to confirm what New Testament scholars have already thought was the original wording or, in some cases, to confirm an alternate reading—but one that is already found in the manuscripts” - http://www.dts.edu/read/wallace-new-testament-manscript-first-century/
And all are in agreement with one another. The standard practice is to ensure that modern translations adhere to these earliest copies of the papyri. We therefore know that they are faithful replications of what occurred in the first century.
http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-earliest-new-testament-manuscripts.htm
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
The Old Testament is just as well preserved as the New Testament.
So there is no "problem" with the integrity of the Bible.
Another reason why the Bible can be beleved- its absolute CANDOR:
It does not attempt to paint a rosy picture of most men- in fact, only a mere handful of the Kings of Israel and Judah were spoken of as "good," and even they had their foibles commited to writing. Jesus' own Apostles had huge faults- and they are all attested to in writing.
You may choose to ignore the evidence- in other words, you may exercise your free will.
But truth is truth- and when judgment day arrives, I pray that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior- there is nothing more important.
you guys are killing me he he he
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe30habM0ls
but yes, I am a believer..
but if I can't be a bit of a humorist, I just have to give it all up.... :-)
This world is rotten.
Comedy is a neccessary diversion.
Great that you are a believer.
You have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior then, right?
;-)
PS- Mike Myers is a comedy genius, IMO.
Fuck you and your bible bullshit. What the fuck was this article about even? Can't remember after you fucked this thread all to hell. Fucking thread high jacker.
oh.. for JHF sakes.... lighten up
Says "cultivader" who can't follow a thread to determine who hijacked it,
and can't spell.
;-)
PS- Cultivader- That's the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzPsdkTCufs
Get over yourself
FYI Einstein...the name I use is a handle, a tag, just like you use. I will spell it however I fucking feel like you self righteous freak. Furthermore, the word is a conflation of cultivator and Vader, as in Darth Vader. Ever hear of that character? One day you will look back at the nonsense you believe is true and wonder how the fuck you could be so stupid.
Have a nice day asshat.
Ps. The avatar is not me, dumbass.
Ps. The avatar is not me, dumbass. its unfortunate you need to clarify that.
unfortunate and funny at the same time that this clarfication was necessary.
I never had anyone accuse me that i was actually Gumby. *( or even Eddie Murphy portraying Gumby)
I am right with you on most of what you post. But the infallibility of the Bible is not one of them. Although I DO believe that the main, important ideas have been retained; I can not possibly believe that it has never been manipulated to serve worldly ends.
The judgements of the Churches in Rev. and other verses like Jer. 8:8 make me think that His promise of free will is absolute. That means free will for the scribes as well, for good or bad.
Giving us free will was the ultimate sacrifice; the rock that He created and is too heavy to lift, because it was promised so.
The bible is poisonous. The example of JC himself is a very positive one, but the God of the Old Testament? Vindictive, mean spirited, narrow minded, bigoted, petulant. He's a power tripper in precisely the way that modern psychologists understand to be co-dependant dysfunctionality. The whole grab bag of sub-optimal psychological behaviors is on display - withholding, projection, lashing out through insecurity
No wonder we're so fucked as a civilization if that God is our patriarchal foundation.
Youd have a better civilization if you chucked out the OT altogether and replaced it with the lyrics of chilli Peppers Blood Sugar Sex Magic album. Just as much nonsense, but more love and goodwill.
You find the bible cohesive? Have you ever read anything else?
"Jesus didn't call himself God's son in the Bible"
His Apostles (those who were closest to Him), and his enemies (the "jewish" Sanhedrin) knew that Jesus Christ was the Son of God:
John 1:49
Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.”
John 19:7
The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.”
John 20:31
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
You really do need a change of name.
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"Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires." - 2 Peter 3:3
Any other "brilliant" retorts, "logical" man?
Lol.
Here's the thing: thread-jacking shows no religious distinction.
{Responding to ST's post mentioning the Apostles -- thanks forum s/w!}
Right ST -- because humans would know more JC about than he himself would. Meanwhile, JC is such a big deal that even your attitude towards him is crucial in whether you are invited to eternal Disneyland. I see absolutely no contradictions here. Well done.
"Put your faith in Jesus" says the guy named "Bilderberg Member." It's like a lotus blossom of infinitely recursive irony. Res ipsa loquitor.
The Founders were mostly Deists, not Christians"
Yea, you might wanna check your regurgitation of idiotic left-wing revisionism at the door. Please dont tell me you haven't figured that out yet. Yikes.
During the early days in DC, church services were held in the capitol building until conveniently located churches could be built. Some of those same founders attended church there.
Deists are not agnostics or non-Christians. They believe that God created the universe to be able to function according the natural laws He established.
http://christiandeism.com/beliefs/
It all depends on your definition of Christianity. The average Bible-thumper will insist Jesus was the Son of God (possibly via immaculate conception [Jesus is a FRIENDLY hybrid -- no alien DNA folks]), and make many dubious and refutable claims about who wrote the Bible.
BONUS question for Pickleton -- who wrote the Jefferson Bible and WHY?
Why Jefferson, of course
Bonus question for you - count how many founders Jefferson was in relation to how many founders in all there were, and how many of the founders were OUTRIGHT seminarians.
Now juxtapose that to the imbecile's usage of the word "MOST FOUNDERS"
You ignored my key question but I'll reply anyway. I'm no history buff, but it's pretty clear that Deism was far more common back then, and upper-class people (like our Founders) were far better educated than most people these days. The point being less blind faith in those circles than one might suspect; there was educated discourse (something that the ZH forum is rumored to have possessed at one time).
p.s. Big fan of separation of church and state -- is that OK with you?
I'm fairly certain there was an implicit acknowledgement that Jefferson was a deist in my reply (Yikes, you missed that?). So no, I ignored nothing.
And hey, I noticed that you ignored ALLLLLLLL of my questions and attempted neither an implicit or explicit response.
P.S. - There's no such a Constitutional entity - clearly that's NOT ok with you. You must be a progressive, which is probably why you ignored ALL of my questions that prove your assertion an outright lie. Why is it you people always resort to speculation on who they were instead of their own words. Oh that's right, because it's proves you a bunch of fucking liars.
The key question was in CAPS and you still missed it. Also, FYI, I'm not going to argue how many Founders are labelled in whatever terms because a) I'm not qualified to assert anything on the topic and b) I'm lazy.
So I'm "progressive" because I'm mindful of my own competence, huh? OK, well then I hope all bridges and airplanes are designed by similarly "progressive" engineers.
Did the slaves get to attend?
They were invited of course. Christians have always had the greatest respect for other cultures and religions, yet cordial teaching of the one true religion (luckily, there is no internal disagreement or historical drift thanks to the clarity and eternal relevance of the Bible) is available to those that seek it.
Deists are not agnostics or non-Christians.
That is NOT the definition left wingers employ when they regurgitate "The founders were deists." as evidenced by the second part of the quote where I quoted that imbecile.
"The Founders were mostly Deists, not Christians""
Thanks for trying though.
We've had this type of proof countless times before. People are so infatuated with the god myth that they think it is going to save them every time, so they won't do anything for themselves. Now, I'm going to get a majority of down votes because the religious zealots will come out of the woodwork and once again, by clicking on the thumbs down, pretend that it is going to motivate god to finally do something (because you're faithful). Or, they can't stand having their "faith" questioned. If you haven't questioned it yourself, then you're probably insane especially since you know the definition thereof.
I wish I could bet against the zealots in Vegas - I would be richer than Buffet, Bill Gates and Paul Allen put together several times over.
Spot on 1033.
What boggles my mind is you will go to hell if you do not believe in one of the big three religions. You really want to start pissing off a religious person ask them if one of the other religions is the correct one! That gets them riled up. People forget the number two killer on the planet is religion, number one is women,
What boggles my mind is their leader will bend the rules to put more people in the pews and totally ignore their scriptures teachings. In all of the scriptures that religous leaders so distort these days it ask that we help the poor that want to work and do better for themselves and tells us not to help those that do not want to work.
The King James version of the Bible is one where the canons were chosen for you and many canons were discarded because some spoke of disposing churches or not going to church at all. I still have my faith but not for the modern money machines today's churches have become.
I do my best not to discuss religion but honestly no one alive knows anything about what happens after you die. No one knows if their religion is the only religion that is correct. A question comes to mind, What if the buddists are the way to the after life! What if the Jews or muslims are correct! What if death is final and this is as good as it gets. All I see these days to be honest is religious leaders bending the rules and quoting scripture to put more people in the pews or to get people killed. Yet all of these teachings speak of peace and living peacefully. Yet people blindly follow these assholes and kill, maim and pay their tiffs!
I'm shocked, SHOCKED that you would imply there is politics and/or a business aspect to organized religion!
Logged in after awhile and OMG what happened (clearly my work is done, although I wasn't the first to go OT).
IMHO, GCT's post above the best by far on this OT trainwreck.
The key this is just to realize all of what you say is based in fear. If one is content to believe in whatever and finds joy in it truly in his heart and soul, he had no need to impose his beliefs on others.
I am a very spiritual person, not a religious one. I find people who wish me to join their religions are not happy when I decline. They ask what I believe and when I say I am a nonpracticing Christian that studies Buddhism, it bothers them. I have no desire to convert them to my way of thinking but they are very determined to convert me to theirs.
People who aren't content are fearful and are trying to find security in clinging to things. Religion is just one example.
Death unites all of us. Death is the one equalizer. Death is very profitable because so many fear it and need something to help them deal with it. Shedding the fear of death is a path to freedom.
Miffed
Totally agree.
Gods away on business.
God has not abandoned humanity. It was humanity that turned away from God.
Also Hillery will almost certainly be the President in 2016. Unless people turn back to God (in other words away from her), or there is no elections. There is a small chance her cousin in law Jeb could get the job. Either way its either a Republican or a Democrat. Bush/Clinton 2016!
I undestand the sentiment but that's a plague we literally voted on ourselves.
I can't believe Bill was ever elected.............they have been involved in so much shit it's BEYOND disgusting....I feel like I've been taking crazy pills for twenty years now; please make it stop!
And by the time people start considering moving out of this country, they probably won't be allowed to. Bwahaha
Wait til Hillary announces CAITLIN JENNER is running with her for VP. thats when the fireworks start,,,,
No no no..
Rupaul
That you even bring up CJ means that the plan is working. Of all the shit going down in the world, why is Ms. Jenner on the news? ( rhetorical)
Mr. Jenner
Every moron blabs about how bad the present president is, until the next one comes along.
Pull your heads out of your asses and ask why is that so.
Because every one is subsequently worse.
Exactly
Al Armendariz is right there with hope and change. Remember him? He's the former EPA administrator over about 5 states including Texas who said that he wanted to take the approach that the Romans did and "crucify a few" coal-fired power plant operators. He quickly left the EPA and now is the point man for the Sierra Club's Beyond Coal iniative.
We have a coal-fired power plant in an unpopulated area outside of town. The company has spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to make the EPA happy. They studied a conversion to natural gas, but the numbers don't work. Besides that they may not be able to cross areas of reclaimed land with a pipeline that would provide the amount of gas they would need.
Here's the company's backgrounder on the EPA's demands. I have heard that one of the options the parent company has considered is closing and demolishing the 675 mW power plant, the school district's largest taxpayer. That would cause the mine to close. The mine is the school district's 4th largest taxpayer.
https://www.swepco.com/global/utilities/lib/docs/info/news/swepco/111-d_...
They didn't build that.
Greedy, rich fuck who doesn't want anything getting in the way of him getting more.
Fuck the miners' safety, it might cost me a couple of dollars.
Simple as that.
This isn't about the miners' safety (or about religion, for that matter — how did that happen?) This is about one thing: the EPA's 'finding' that CO2 ("carbon" to the science illiterates) is a 'pollutant'.
That is complete nonsense. The air contains about 400 parts per million (ppm) of the trace gas CO2. We exhale 40,000 ppm with every breath. Life on Earth could not exist without enough CO2, which is completely harmless at current and projected concentrations. Carbon dioxide is entirely beneficial to the biosphere. More is better; the biosphere is literally starved of CO2, which has been up to twenty times (20X) higher in the past. And that 20X more CO2 has never caused runaway global warming — or any global warming, for that matter. And the rise in harmless CO2 has brought about a greening of the planet. Agricultural productivity has risen in lock-step with the rise in that beneficial trace gas.
But if the gov't controls 'carbon', it controls everything. Because every industrial process emits CO2. Transportation emits CO2. People emit CO2. Providing goods and services emits CO2. With the EPA's preposterous claim that CO2 is a 'pollutant', that opens the door to 'carbon' taxes. And that has always been the ultimate wet dream of every government in history: taxing the air we breathe.
The original scare was 'man-made global warming' (MMGW). But according to satellite data — the most accurate data there is — global warming stopped almost twenty years ago.
That fact debunks the MMGW scare. Now the only thing propping up that false narrative is the $1 billion+ that the federal government shovels into "climate studies" every year. And folks, you won't get any of that grant loot if you don't promote the government's MMGW scare.
See how it works? The populace is bombarded with "climate change" this-and-that by the media, 24/7/365. Eventually the great mass of open-mouthed television gazers begins head-nodding in agreement when they hear "carbon", "global warming", "climate change", etc. But folks with knowledge of the hard sciences see the hoax: the endless, scary predictions said that runaway global warming, and vanishing Arctic ice, and sea levels inundating Manhattan and Florida, and disappearing Polar bears, etc., would be happening by now.
But none of those things has ever happened! EVERY scary prediction made about 'climate change' has been flat wrong. But the slack-jawed head nodders have been convinced by the TV talking heads, and now all the facts in the world can't make them understand that the whole thing is a giant scam, intended to make the public open its wallets.
'Carbon' taxes would not change the planet's temperature by 0.000001ºC. But a carbon tax would raise the cost of everything. It would raise immense government revenues, increasing the cost of all goods and sevices, and it would balloon the federal bureaucracy. Money would be mis-allocated in a classic Bastiat 'Broken Window' fallacy, and all the while the bureaucrat contingent would be telling taxpayers that they're 'fixing' the planet. As if.
These EPA assholes want to tax the air we breathe. Only fools would let them do it. The fact is that electricity from coal is very clean energy. Modern scrubbers remove 99.9998% of the particulates — leaving only H2O and CO2; the two compounds most essential to all life on earth. But as the Germans learned to their ultimate dismay, the Big Lie works, and it works pretty well.
Completely true accessment of this grand hoax. I would only add that nearly every land based temperature record has been systematically "corrected" so that early time series Temperature raw data is lowered, thus converting either no trend or an actually cooling trend into an uptrend to fit gobal warming "models". They were caught is this farce when real scientists obtained the raw data. And we can be very happy for the satellite data which doesn't need any "correction" as it is properly calibrated, that has kept the record honest in the last 30 years.
Interestingly, we have no idea what the temperatures were in the ocean prior to the WWII, and yet the temperature record is often plotted back to the late 1800s. There were no floating thermometers in the middle the pacific ocean. So, the land based (actually city based) records, prior to the satallite era are useless for computing any average global T since oceans are 70% of the surface area of the earth and we have no data. Real scientists admit they just don't know. But there is no doubt from data during the dust bowl era that this period was the hottest and driest of the 20th century. Nearly all temperature records for the 20th century were set in that period. Why was it so hot in the 1930s? We just don't know!
Signed,
A real scientist
Bravo! But have you heard the phrase "useless eaters"...? If CO2 could be reduced just the right amount TPTB would win!
Dr.scott,
That's the bottom line...a gigantic tax base cloaked by the climate change paradigms falsehood.
honestly, over the years when I listen to fear mongers talking about the vulnerability of the power grid and how it's going to 'go down' and the SH will HF....I just sort of dismissed it as an unlikely six sigma event. However, when I read..
"putting the U.S. EPA in charge of the nation's electric grid."
...that's all I really need to see to know that it's just a matter of time before they screw something up big time.
Olduvia cliff on the horizon. Cue the brownouts.
" However, when I read.. 'putting the U.S. EPA in charge of the nation's electric grid.' ...that's all I really need to see to know that it's just a matter of time before they screw something up big time."
Ok, I've heard this argument many times, and I completely understand the logic behind it. Here's my problem with it: I lived in California during the Enron swindlefest. I saw people who lived across the street have their power bills triple and quadruple, while suffering brownouts and crap service. Meanwhile, I lived in the city of Santa Clara, which happened to have a municipal utility based on a cogeneration power plant.
While everyone around me was being taken to the cleaners, and I do mean honestly and utterly raped by Enron playing their "Death Star" games manipulating the power markets, we good citizens of the city of Santa Clara were enjoying our cost-efficient municipal utility, and our power bills barely budged during the worst of the crisis. So, in other words, the people enjoying the wonderful benefits of the glorious free market were being absolutely swindled, while the people living in the terrible, awful, evil socialism of the city of Santa Clara enjoyed low-cost, reliable power. Because the free market is always better than socialism, I know this for an absolute fact because the people who own the media have told me so about a trillion times.
Proof of the same pudding, utility costs int he 1950s USA, then after the monopolies were broken up. Who benefited?
W VA has been voting Dem forever. Not lik ethe scum GOP are any better. They have done nothing to stop O because the NeoCons and Neo Libs work for O's bosses.
The Pentagram and MIC are in on it as well. Then dumb white males, especially in the south, cheer on the Trayvons playing college and pro ball and they worship them. Obola's Trayvons doing genocide on white and white males cheer their knock out heroes including college educated alumni retards.
EPA created by the RINO Nixon. Still doing what it was designed to do, shut down Rockefeller(Big Oil's) competitors.
This is a very good book everybody should read:
The Globalization of War: America's "Long War" against Humanityhttps://store.globalresearch.ca/store/the-globalization-of-war-americas-...
Just one in a long line of destroyers of the US economy....all have been supporters of and stuck to the policies of globalisation that have gutted the economy. The next one will be no different.
the flat tax would take care of it, politicians would be forced to listen to the people, no advantage to seeking "special" treatment if there is none....where one rate fits ALL
The coal fired plant in Rehoboth MA didn't retrofit to gas, it was closed down. The city instantly had a tax problem and electricity prices "necessarily skyrocketed".
Where did i hear that before?
/didn't even require crap & trade...
right...he told us what he was going to do.....this guy should have spoken up 7 years ago....it's a bit late.
love,
Bill Ayers
haha, this guy thinks obama designs strategy and goals. oh yeah, well, he wont get killed for thinking within the box.
The Buck stops where?
Where the 'doe' is...
perfect.
nice play in words ;)
An imaginary person in an imaginary country where nobody will ever live.
The President doesn't work for the United States of America. The FEDs work for NWO foreign forces that are and have been invading. So far they've taken over the Federal Government. They are the same as a Fascist force and the US military will not protect the United States of America from them.
The guy only has to wait a decade and the grand solar shut down will change everything for him and west virginians.
A nation that sells baby parts does not have god s blessing, don't know what's coming but I know it will be terrible
"sells" ? you could have been more direct and harsh. say it stant.
God is dead. We sold off god parts long ago.
God is a myth. And coal was fine before we ended up at 7+ BILLION humans. Its too disgusting too pump that shit into the air we breathe at that level. Mercury levels in fish are actually starting to decrease. Oh no, I won't be able to run my electric everything at non-stop gluttonous levels! How will I survive??? Oh no, I can't have my incandescent light bulbs! The govt is so stoopid!
What's the trend on radioactive cesium levels in fish?
God was let go long ago during the restructing and downsizing processes for bigger profits.
Domestic electrical use if but a fraction of all electrical use. Most is used by industry. And lighthbulb themselves are not big deal. My own consumption multiplies 10X during winter for heating and would do as well the rest of the year if i had AC. Which i dont, and i live in Israel.
Focus on heating and cooling, not on lightbulbs.
And life expectnacy is at all time highs, inspite of all the pollution. Only a gov. worker(direct or indirect) would say something so inane.
for humans, yes.
God is a reality.
I have demonstrated this empirically using both Cosmology and Astrophysics
The Universe cannot have happened by accident. The problem exists because of the Fine Tuning of the Cosmological Constants required to bring this manifested Universe into cration. The odds are insurrmounatbale that this could have been a chance happenstance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe
That source is a start. (I hope that you REFUSE TO READ IT. Furthermore I hope that you refuse to research it in the depth which is needed for such a profound result like Paradise and Everlasting Life. You did have the opportunity after all. You do have the same 24 Hours in a day as I do...every single day. It is how you choose to spend that time..)
I have demonstrated this FACT by Quantum Mechanics. The Universe must be observed in order to exist. Physicists have demonstrated this empirically, and their measurements are based upon how they observed the experimental results. The Laws of Quantum Mechanics have demonstrated, without a doubt, that materialism is not a viable theory. Since Idealism has been demonstrated then one must infer a Universal Creator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM
(Again I hope that you REFUSE TO WATCH IT. Furthermore I hope that you refuse to research it in the depth which is needed for such a profound result like Paradise and Everlasting Life. You did have the opportunity after all. You do have the same 24 Hours in a day as I do...every single day. It is how you choose to spend that time..)
Now you have been given the relevant information, which is backed by repeatable and quantifiable OBSERVATIONAL DATA. (And may the Good Lord be witness, I do hope that YOU reject it and not even bother watching it, or, consider it.
You can choose to believe it or you can choose to reject it. You can search out the Truth or be content in your lie.
Actually I care not as the information which I have repeatedly posted on these pages serve to glorify God and His Creation and will serve to convict you in the End at the Judgment.
And as you are so deserving of your Hellfire I truly hope that you reject the Truth which I exposed.
I am not going to Hell alone. I will take out the deserving with me. And that means YOU.
I am going to Hell. I have no doubt. For many are called but few are chosen. I am NOT CHOSEN.
(I can hardly wait for you to call me a nut or a fool, here on ZH, and at the Judgment. People like you refuse to take Personal Responsibility for anything. In fact I am hoping that your attitude is one of wanting to tell me, "Fuck you." If you do then you will be damned.)
Yeah Tom, you've figured out the universe.
You forgot the LOL and the :rolls eyes:
You will notice if you look arond that the creator of something is always more complex than the things created.
If the universe is too complex to have come about by fluke then the concept of god kinda disappears in a puff of logic.
Fuck, i hope I don't end up in the sameFEMA camp as you.
Why do you say you are going to hell?
Tall Tom just posted this from the computer in the day room at the Imaginary Pines Psychiatric Hospital.
They changed his meds and they are not working.
good thing we are a Cargo Cult. Should facilitate the selling of those parts overseas
According to Einstein, when God is dead so are we. QED
I've been really torn up by this like nothing else,and understand what its ramifications are mostly .but my final thought is that I can't nor need to do anything. How harsh and direct it will be is beyond what I can imagine ps I realize its in a lot of people's best interest to not believe in god.
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:7
Interesting times to come.
Planned Parenthood, not "the nation" is marketing baby parts. Not a small distinction.
Human body parts have been used for medical purposes for decades. Get over it.
Guess what? Good news!!!
There is Magic Sky Daddy!
Things are gonna be OK!
Take your head out of your ass and get back to work.
Thanks for the shout out ... Love O
Deep-sea mining looms on horizon as UN body issues contracts
http://phys.org/news/2015-07-deep-sea-looms-horizon-body-issues.html
the era of deep seabed mining appears to be dawning fueled by technological advances in robotics and dwindling land-based deposits. Rising demand for copper, cobalt, gold and the rare-earth elements vital in manufacturing smartphones and other high-tech products is causing a prospecting rush to the dark seafloor thousands of meters (yards) beneath the waves.
With authorities at the Jamaica-based International Seabed Authority issuing exploration contracts, alarmed conservationists are warning that the deep ocean's fragile biodiversity must be protected and not nearly enough is known about the risks of extracting minerals from seabeds.
"The pace of activity has increased dramatically over the last five years," said Michael Lodge, deputy secretary-general of the obscure U.N. body in Kingston that acts as a global steward of the deep seafloor and is tasked with regulating this new mining frontier. "We're seeing the private sector invest in a big way."
The U.N. agency, known by its initials ISA, presides over seabed outside the exclusive territorial waters of individual countries. So far, it has issued 27 exploration contracts, the large majority of them since 2011. The 15-year contracts allow for mineral prospecting on over 1 million square kilometers (over 390,000 sq. miles) of seabed in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans.
Governments and private companies have been moving so rapidly to stake claims and assess deposits that insiders forecast that commercial deep-sea mining could start within the next five years using robotic collectors equipped with cameras and sonar sensors along with pipe systems that can siphon crushed minerals to ships.
During a gathering this month in Jamaica of representatives from nearly 170 member states, ISA has started drafting a framework to regulate commercial exploitation of seafloor metals and minerals. The session ended Friday.
In other news, illicit fighting clubs springing up around the world promise to have us wear leather clothing and witness vines taking over the towering hulks of abandoned skyscrapers. They plan to put Gaia back in charge and "let the chips fall where they may"
The bullshit is flying now.
New sea-level rise forecast is alarming: Here are 10 maps showing how Maine’s coastline could change
http://thinkmaine.bangordailynews.com/2015/07/25/buildings-and-places/new-sea-level-rise-forecast-is-alarming-here-are-10-maps-showing-how-maines-coastline-could-change/
According to a report this week in Slate, a team led by the former lead NASA scientist on climate change is now forecasting a much more rapid and dramatic rise in sea level than was previously expected.
James Hansen’s 16-person team of researchers has concluded that, as Slate reports, “glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica will melt 10 times faster than previous consensus estimates, resulting in sea level rise of at least 10 feet in as little as 50 years.”
The publication acknowledges that the latest study has not yet been peer-reviewed — a step in which third-party scientists look over the research and vet it.
The Washington Post reports that while previous baseline sea-level forecasts by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are, by contrast, often described as too conservative, the Hansen study is being criticized as going too far in the other direction…
Sea levels have been rising since the end of the most recent cycle of glaciation, during this brief interglacial global freezing pause we are enjoying. And Hansen will be Hansen like Sharpton will be Sharpton. They're both carnival barkers. Race hustling on the one hand and chicken little climate hustling on the other.
There are some land subsidence issues too. I really hate to see Maine underwater /s, so here is a tune for the downvoters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7R-9X9XjA4&app=desktop
Edit: I wonder if James Hansen knows Ashley Madison?
http://dailybail.com/headlines/climate-scientists-withdraw-claims-of-ris...
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2015/07/weatherford-ups-...
Lots of unemployed highly trained engineers out there now.
BTW do you have references for these statements???
A curious girl wants to know.
I have to reprogram my children.
I have seen some charts of sea level and you can put a ruler on them from the 30's onward. I'm just looking for a longer chart.
Hansen needs to be executed for crimes against humanity. Not a word he has ever said is true.
Ridicule and ostracism used to suffice, alas.
A report from Slate? Wouldn't wipe my ass with it nor anything produced by the UN for that matter.
Enjoy your new normal.
Lumberjack just broke his all-time down vote record courtesy of synaptically challenged progressives and Hillary voters.
Look out the window. Now, watch what happens. Wait for it ... wait for it ... okay this will take a few years.
There! See? That's everything you once knew and loved grinding into dust while you watched, and no synapses required.
I see the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/therm/entrop.html#e2
Talk about bullshit. You'll notice the operative words you dupes always ignore and how these Agenda 21 scumbags have been 100% wrong in every one of their doomsday cult scenarios in the past and the present. Consensus isn't science BTW.
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