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Has The US Finished The Trap Assad Had Begun To Set For Turkey?

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Has the US finished the trap Assad had begun to set for Turkey?

The US Syrian policy forces Ankara to walk a fine line between ISIS, Assad’s regime, Kurds, the US and its own interest. We will not rule out that Erdo?an could declare a state of emergency and postpone new elections. Whatever the result of the power struggle in Ankara may be, Turkey’s military will not accept the YPG and PKK armed to the teeth by the US.

From the start of the Syrian civil war in 2011, Turkey and the US supported the insurgency against Assad. Turkey formed a safe haven and provided weapons to groups that later evolved into ISIS.  The US started to organize “Friends of Syria” conferences to support the insurgency in Syria. At these conferences, not only Secretary of State Hillary Clinton lectured Putin on Middle East policy, but money was also collected for the Jihadists now known as ISIS.

Security analysts who are not blinded by US and European propaganda already noticed that the Kurds were a hurdle in the chosen strategy. The Kurds did not side with the FSA and the “Friends of Syria” show. They engaged in deadly clashes with the US-Turkey backed Jihadists. Kurdish leaders were already slaughtered by the FSA in 2012. The so called “Friends of Syria” conference in Cairo ended in a brawl between Kurds and Jihadists.

During this period, the relation between Turkey and the Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) in Northern Iraq, improved dramatically. Former BP CEO Tony Hayward visited Erbil and advised the KRG  to build a direct oil pipeline to Turkey, bypassing Iraq’s pipes, enabling the Kurds to export Kurdish oil directly via Turkish port of Ceyhan. The good business relation between Barzani, the prime minister of the KRG  and Erdo?an’s government limited the freedom for the PKK to operate from Northern Iraq.

Under Assad, the PKK had no opportunity to operate from Syria. In 1998, Turkey threatened to invade Syria as a result of the PKK’s staged attacks from Kurdish Syrian areas. Since then, Damascus reined in the Kurds and stopped the PKK operating from Syria, preventing further escalation between Ankara and Damascus.

Assad had (and still has) little power to retaliate against the US-Turkey support for the Jihadist insurgents against his regime. Assad understood that the Kurds in Syria could spoil the fragile Kurdish peace process in Turkey. In 2012 he granted the Kurds in Syria autonomy to retaliate against Turkey. Back then he could not foresee how great this move was, thanks to the rogue and unreliable US policy in the Middle East. 

In 2013 and 2014 Assad’s policy seemed to have failed as ISIS succeeded in dispelling the Kurds from cities like Kobane. ISIS getting the upper-hand in the Syrian Kurdish region worried Western Nations, but not Turkey. The supply lines of ISIS started in Turkey and without support from Turkey, the Jihadists could not be as successful as they are now in Syria and Iraq. Not only do the Turkey’s Security services, MIT have contact with the ISIS’ leaders, ISIS itself has support in Turkey’s society and from some Syrians in Turkey, the organisation is more rooted in Turkey than many want to believe.

For Ankara, the FSA and later ISIS did the dirty work in the Syrian Kurdish territory. Even Barzani and Iraqi’s KRG feel no inclination to support their Kurdish brothers in Syria and saw the new Syrian Kurdish autonomy as a threat for its own stability. From Turkey’s perspective things were not as bad as they seemed for outsiders. The Syrian Kurds were eliminated while Ankara could blame ISIS while providing lip service to the plight of the Syrian Kurds.

However, America’s flip-flop policy turns the trap Assad set for Ankara into a disaster in the making for Turkey. In 2014 the US Syrian policy went from an air support for the Jihadists to bombing the Jihadists, formerly organised in the “Friends of Syria” conferences.

From the beginning it was clear that Turkey has no interest in supporting the Syrian Kurds in their fight against ISIS. The US understood Assad’s trap and started to support the Kurdish Syrian Fighters in Kobane. With active military support from the US the YPG (military wing of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party) managed to restore Kurdish dominance in a small strategic area bordering Turkey. A situation of which Ankara has said many times to be intolerable for Turkey.

The US and its Western allies force Ankara into action against ISIS. A very dangerous move that could cause the Syrian war to cross the border, into Turkey. We regard the Reyhanli bombing in 2013 (52 casualties) as a warning issued by ISIS for Erdo?an. As ISIS stages daily suicide bombings in Baghdad, there is no reason they will spare Turkey. Erdo?an has the choice to engage in battle its former ally, the Jihadists or accepting the US arming the Syrian Kurdish fighters, YPG and indirect the KKP finishing Assad’s trap for Ankara.

We recognize 3 major trends.

  1. US arming Syrian Kurds will agonize Ankara and Erbil, undermining the fragile Kurdish-Turkish peace process, many of the weapons will end up in the hands of the PKK.
  2. ISIS will not only engage the YPG in Syria but also the PKK in Turkey bringing the Syrian civil war into the borders of Turkey.
  3. ISIS will retaliate against Ankara now that Turkey is actively confronting the Jihadists.
  4. The AKP ruling elite do not want a coalition government, the AKP will use the current chaos to stay in power.

The US Syrian policy forces Ankara to walk a fine line between ISIS, Assad’s regime, the US and its own interest. We expect the options for  Erdo?an to be limited. The inevitable increase in violence could increase the popular support for the AKP. We will not rule out that Erdo?an could declare a state of emergency and postpone the elections. As the Western pro democratic powers accept Sisi in Egypt and Morsi at death row, there is no moral argument for the AKP to follow the same path Egypt did.  New elections without the AKP getting a Majority will result in more chaos and violence. Whatever the result of the power struggle in Ankara may be, Turkey’s military will not accept the YPG and PKK armed to the teeth by the US. The current acceptance of US air force operating from Turkey’s soil should be understood as the result of US blackmail and power play, a clear humiliation of Ankara, widening the gap between Ankara and Washington.

 

Turkey losing patience with Syria. Source BBC 4 October 1998
The Turkish President, Suleiman Demirel, has repeated his warning that time is running out for Syria to stop supporting the Kurdish rebel movement, the PKK 

Tony Hayward Loads Trucks With Kurdish Oil Awaiting Pipe. Source Bloomberg 30 July 2012
Tony Hayward, the former chief executive officer at BP Plc, is now loading a fleet of as many as 500 trucks a day while he waits for a new pipeline to carry oil from his fields in northern Iraq.
Hayward has pushed the semi-autonomous Kurds to finish building a link to neighboring Turkey so he can find buyers outside the local market. 

Ex-BP CEO Gets His Life Back as Kurdish Pipeline Opens. Source Bloomberg 22 May 2014
The conduit, built by the Kurdistan Regional Government, or KRG, runs about 400 kilometers (250 miles) from Khurmala, southwest of Erbil, to the Turkish border, where it connects with an existing link to the Mediterranean port of Ceyhan. Oil that sells for about $70 a barrel domestically could fetch $100 or so in world markets.Source New York Times 11 May 2013

Syrian opposition rifts give world excuse not to act. Source Al Arabiya News 4 July 2012
A brawl at a meeting of the Syrian opposition this week in Cairo put on display the divisions among those struggling to oust President Bashar al-Assad and provides an excuse for world powers who have been wary of intervention to sit on their hands.

Assad hands control of Syria’s Kurdish areas to PKK, sparking outrage in Turkey Source Mc Clatchy DC 26 July 2012
President Bashar Assad, facing a growing rebel presence in Aleppo, Syria’s largest city and its commercial hub, has turned control of parts of northern Syria over to militant Kurds who Turkey has long branded as terrorists, prompting concern that Istanbul might see the development as a reason to send troops across its border with Syria.

Car Bombings Kill Dozens in Center of Turkish Town Near the Syrian Border Source May 11 2013 New York Times
In blaming Mr. Assad’s government, Turkish officials seemed anxious to stave off any possible backlash against thousands of Syrian refugees in Reyhanli or its allies in the Syrian opposition for the bombing. The town is in a region of southern Turkey where some Turks have bristled at their government’s willingness to make Turkey a party to the war, putting it at risk.After the bombings on Saturday, angry residents smashed the windows of cars from Syria, and a Turkish newspaper reported that protests against Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan later erupted in Reyhanli’s streets.

 

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Sat, 07/25/2015 - 09:48 | 6352459 HonkyShogun
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Uncle Hymie sure wants that Syrian pipeline route, doesn't he?

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:34 | 6352556 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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Game of Thrones quote:  "Actually, I rather enjoy him. But he would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes."

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:10 | 6352645 weburke
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assads alawite group are not actually muslim. but cloak their trinity/mary views to survive the centuries. 

the kill assad theater peice is actually a ruse. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:29 | 6352698 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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A ruse?  How so, and to what end?  not disagreeing, just curious

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:31 | 6352913 BobPaulson
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Beware of NATO Article 5.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 16:01 | 6353632 kchrisc
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The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area

I would bet that this gets amended to include a little strip of stolen land on the eastern Mediterranean.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:06 | 6353844 Ranger4564
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And the NATO ruse is to keep the Europeans entangled in NATO so they cannot free themselves from the EU / NATO trap, and join the BRICS in a redefined world hegemony? Right?

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:52 | 6353964 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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Now they're stretching the North Atlantic waaaaaay over to Ukraine, and all this time I thought the Pacific was the biggest.

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 21:04 | 6354492 Paveway IV
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b nailed it on Moon of Alabama:

Turkey Lauches War On Islamic State's Worst Enemies - The Kurds

Erdogan's gone full-retard. Whatever manner of clownfuckery the U.S. had planned for Syria has partially derailed. The conquest of Syria and death of Assad is still a U.S. priority, but Erdogan just kicked the U.S. to the side of the road before the U.S. could kick Turkey to the side of the road. 

This is where it starts to get very interesting, like inadvertently stumbling into WW III interesting. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:32 | 6352922 caustixoid
Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:57 | 6353014 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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LOL--q:B   gotta love ol' Archer.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 14:10 | 6353293 sun tzu
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It's obviously an attack on Russia. Europe is dependent on Russian oil & NG. NATO wants to source Europe's energy needs from the ME. The Russians see this and are now building pipelines to India and China. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:07 | 6353848 Ranger4564
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I think it's an entanglement of Europe so they can't be free of US imperialism.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 09:49 | 6352462 kliguy38
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"out of order comes chaos"  or turn the whole world into one big steaming pile of shit and maybe you will find  a kernel of corn.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 09:57 | 6352477 J Jason Djfmam
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And half a peanut.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:24 | 6352536 lolmao500
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More like Out of chaos comes order.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:35 | 6352561 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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No, I think he had it right.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:18 | 6352663 F0ster
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Organized chaos by the U.S.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:39 | 6352942 Handful of Dust
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Wise Turks will alreayd be getting their assets out of Turkey before it turns to another Iraq/Syria dungheap.

 

[I'm not sure if 'dungheap' is one word or two]

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:05 | 6352798 Consuelo
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Dunno...   I'm thinking more like explosive diarrhea...

 

 

 

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 15:58 | 6353618 kchrisc
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Sounds like an ancient Talmud proverb.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

 

Modern day version: "Never waste a crisis."

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 09:49 | 6352463 stant
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What does the book of John say about Damascus ?

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 09:53 | 6352473 cowdiddly
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something about it will lie in ruins. Check

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 09:58 | 6352478 J Jason Djfmam
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Wonderful for knives, not so good for guns.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:17 | 6352521 Tarzan
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It was Isaiah, a prophecy many have pointed to as unfulfilled, now happening before our eyes....

Isaiah 17:1
A prophecy against Damascus: "See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:23 | 6352676 NuTroll
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That prophecy occurs during the battle of Armageddon. Not from some random bombing. (assuming you don't interpret it as past already).

(Isa 17:3 [KJV])
The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts.

If anything this verse indicates that it might soon become the property of someone else, before the events in verse 1 occur.
As long as you're going to bring up prophecy.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 13:36 | 6353188 Freddie
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The Evangelicals are conned by all that NeoCon Bibi BS. Bibi is gonna get Jonathan Pollard sprung.   Jesus did not like his own people when he overthrew the tables of the money changers.  A bit like Bobby Fishcher did not like his own people.

I respect Assad and especially respect the Syrian people.  The same thing goes for the NovoRussians in Eastern Ukraine fighting dual shit-i-zens Porky, Yatz, Soros, Nudelman and genocide-ist McCain. 

I respect all these people fighting for their land and people against invading and ZATO scum.  I have little respect for Americans and Europeans.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:18 | 6353875 Volkodav
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correction..those of temple were not his people

but of something else

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 14:17 | 6353318 Dublinmick
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And Shadrach will beget Abednego who will in turn sire Constantine who wrote the British bible and thought the world was flat.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 09:58 | 6352479 Republi-Ken
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HEY GEFIRA!

YOU FORGOT THE MOST IMPORANT THING--

OBAMA AND CLINTON

NEGOTIATED LARGEST CHEM WEAPON STOCK

IN THE MIDDLE EAST DESTROYED.

SYRIA CHEM WEAPONS 100% GONE.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:09 | 6352498 ISEEIT
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Even *if* what you shit is true..

Soooo much more civil without 'chemical' weapons huh?

Dumbass.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:59 | 6352780 Neochrome
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You mean the one that Putin negotiated?

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:45 | 6352969 Savyindallas
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dumbest statement of the day. Surely you did not mean this. You were being sarcastic -right? Please clarify your statement about Clinton and Obama and give credit to Putin  so I can give you an up arrow. 

And also clarify your statement that Syria is chemical weapons free. Surely you know that the CIA/Mossad have supplied ISIS/Al Quada with tons of chemical weapons. I'm sure you knew that, but others have somehow missed your obvious sarcasm. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 15:17 | 6353488 Freddie
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I would vote for Assad as President over everyone except maybe Trump, Scott Walker or Rick Santorum. The joke is the USA does not have real elections.

The rest are such shit it is not even funny - Clintons, Bernie Sanders, Rubio, Jebster, Rand Paul should be his dad but he is not, Galdman Sachs Cruz and the rest.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 09:59 | 6352480 Duc888
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" State Hillary Clinton lectured Putin on Middle East policy, but money was also collected for the Jihadists now known as ISIS."

 

Hillary Clinton, ISIS supporter.  I like the sound of that.  She can brag about that while she gets paid $250K for speeches.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:23 | 6353885 f16hoser
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Insane McCain actually met with ISIS Leders. Weird...

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:00 | 6352483 Duc888
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"Turkey formed a safe haven and provided weapons to groups that later evolved into ISIS. "

 

Fuck Turkey.  We obviously need to drone the fuck outta that country and pronto.

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:03 | 6352486 J Jason Djfmam
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Might as well hit everything east of UK and west of Japan.

Solve alot of problems.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:06 | 6352491 Thirtyseven
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Biggest problem in Kazakhstan is transport.

Gotta export all that Potassium. What exactly have they done to offend you?

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:17 | 6352518 chunga
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Transport problem confirmed by Borat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWIRa9AH5hU

When will these countries learn the US fucks everybody's shit up all the time? I'm sure they do know it, it just doesn't matter.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:37 | 6352562 Son of Captain Nemo
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Well said indeed Chunga...

As PCR states it in this read most succinctly and to the point -it only changes when the Russians and Chinese get fed up enough to say let's call it a day!

I think the U.S. showing up in that big "front page" headline in the MSM with it's bombers now in Incirlik earlier this week that Russia is about ready to turn Germany's fortunes in it's orbit!  We are wondering why Russia fucked over Greece with their entreaties for $10 billion to print some "Drachma" Now we know the reason "why"!!!

BRICS by BRICS...

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:01 | 6352630 chunga
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I'm not sure I follow. Are you thinking the cost/benefit for the Germans staying as US toadies is getting close to not worth it? Especially if it's true that Putin didn't cough up the 10B request (that they deny ever happened) as a goodwill gesture to the Germans?

All the countries openly hostile to US bullshit are already painted as dangerous rogues. Can the US hasbara spin practically the whole world as democracy hating rogues? They can probably try but it's getting to be incredible already for anybody with half a brain.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:56 | 6352757 Son of Captain Nemo
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All the countries openly hostile to US bullshit are already painted as dangerous rogues. Can the US hasbara spin practically the whole world as democracy hating rogues? They can probably try but it's getting to be incredible already for anybody with half a brain.

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Russia didn't want to back away from Greece but they had no choice with the oil and gas arrangement that was terminated in Bulgaria that shifted between Turkey and Greece shortly thereafter.  Germany is the centerpiece that is losing it's time, patience and economy with the EU/NATO membership and they are about ready to throw in the towel regardless of the bribes and threats that have come there way since 1945.  A new chapter in European history begins! 

Look at what the French just did breaking ranks with their own foreign mimistry over Crimea?

If the German government should throw out Merkel and her party for pressing the agenda and escalation on Ukraine, along with the potential threat of losing the U.S. military and intelligence aparatus inside it's borders anything can happen and probably will with an "Operation Gladio/9/11" moment.  Sell a war in Eastern Europe to the German people? NOW?!!!  Think Germany is the more significant arrangement to the Russians and Greece will just have to wait it's turn...

Trouble is you can only play the fear rhetoric for so long until all the players in the room have their epiphany and call you for what you are.

 A deranged paranoid raving lunatic that will do anything to maintain it's control over you and everyone else with only cards left in the "deck" to play.

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 13:59 | 6353246 rwe2late
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 Tsipras was resolutely committed

as a willing pawn of the TROIKA and NATO.

 

He would never have been a "partner" to Russia, much less a reliable one.

GREXIT was never a serious real option to Tsipras.

The $10 billion would have been wasted by Russia,

grabbed by the banksters, and changed nothing in Greece.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 15:25 | 6353480 Son of Captain Nemo
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"The $10 billion would have been wasted by Russia,

grabbed by the banksters, and changed nothing in Greece."...

And the road to recovery they are on with the Troika will always be the better alternative to the "road less travelled"???... 

So you're somehow suggesting that energy will always be a better bargain and cheaper for the Greeks without a Greek/Turkish pipeline running through it to Eastern Europe with all the jobs that would come with it as opposed to handing over all there islands with oil and natural gas underneath it in a fire sale to pay off their perpetual debt oblligations to the robber barrons that can never and will never be repaid?

Yes I'm sure you're right staying the course is the much better long term decision!!!


Sat, 07/25/2015 - 16:24 | 6353640 rwe2late
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huh?

I neither wrote nor suggested what you fantasize I believe.

Tsiptras was (is) a TROIKA shill.

Tsipras never wanted a deal with Russia.

He never wanted or intended a GREXIT.

He never wanted or intended to quit NATO.

That's why there was no deal with Russia.

That's why any money Russia gave Tsipras would have been wasted.

 

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 18:51 | 6354187 Freddie
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Someone on ZH posted this link. Putin was not going to bail out the Greek communist.

http://redefininggod.com/2015/07/globalist-agenda-watch-2015-update-63-t...

The guy who Putin would back is a Greek Orthodox called the Nigel Farage of Greece and he is the defense minister. Kammenos.  The pivot to Russia supposedly will happen but the Orthodox church is in the background.  They do not like the communists. The Russians did not want Tspiras to do the switch and get credit.

The bad news from this blog, if we are to believe it, is the Orthodox Church and put are just more of the same NWO.  The question is what did the Russian Orthodox Church do to stop the dual shit-i-zens Red Shield Bolshevik from murdering 25 million Christians post 1917?  Anyone who does not believe that happened can read Alexander Solzinetzin's writings.  He was a devout Christian and believed that Putin might be the real deal before he died. 

Is the Russian Orthodox Church and Putin the good guys or more of the NWO Black Hand Illuminitists?

Sadly, I don't think there are any good guys.  Volkodav or other Russians or experts here might be able to tell us more.

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 20:15 | 6354362 Son of Captain Nemo
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Freddie

Thanks for the insight you provide here, a very interesting read indeed. 

But I still think Putin is doing his best to deal with the threat at his own border(s) which he certainly didn't ask for and has to deal with first before taking on any new partners that are the furthest away per the "Maidan Revolution" and MH-17 post Sochi Winter Games!... 

As I said before. Germany and Russia share a very important history that has been mangled for far too long by the Anglo-American cabal starting with the "charge of the light brigades" and then the Revolution that was insitgated in 1917 by "the usual suspects" and he has to deal with the threat that is geopolitically the most important and dangerous to his nation's long term health just as it was in 1940!

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:07 | 6352492 Duc888
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I'd prefer we just mind our own business.  We have more than enough issues to deal with here domestically.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:37 | 6352938 Savyindallas
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The war is already going on here. Jade Helm 15? Getting ready for the soon to be Hot war in America. One side -the Bankster faction- has Caitlin Jenner and the transgenders, sodomites, radical feminists. They can't fight worth a dam and can't shoot a gun (bunch of sissies) so they will have to rely on privatized, high paid contractors like Blackwater and mercenaries  -the other side has the rednecks, patriots and middle class Christians  and Tea party types. The problem they have is too many stupid Christian Zionists Israeli-bankster lovers who have not yet pulled their heads out nof their asses to see how they have been so blatantly fooled and manipulated by the other side. The war for America will be quite chaotic and messy.   

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:08 | 6352497 Duc888
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....I guess the sarcasm was missed....

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:14 | 6352653 Klaatuwept
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Not by everyone

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:14 | 6352654 Klaatuwept
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Not by everyone

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:06 | 6352490 roadhazard
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Everybody has a trap set for everybody. It's a beautiful thing.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:08 | 6352496 Thirtyseven
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And as long as everyone manages to keep their nose out of their neighbors' yards by staying on their own turf then everyone will be fine.

Good luck managing that when politicians, bankers, the MIC, and/or ZioNazis all have agendas in their neighbors' backyards.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:15 | 6352511 GeorgeSilver
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The only way out of this mess is to bomb Washington.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:45 | 6352595 Wild E Coyote
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Sorry, Japanese tried that. But got only up to Pearl Harbor. And got kicked in the ass in return.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:17 | 6352519 ISEEIT
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And to think...All this death and destruction is for the benefit of less than .001% of the worlds population.

'Governments' are pure and simple criminal organizations employed as 'police' for the tiny handful of savage sociopaths who manipulate and control DAMN near everything.

People divided by false 'ideologies' (religions) are in truth slaves fighting over who their master shall be.

Slaves.

FUCKING SLAVES.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:51 | 6352756 SMG
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It's sad, but you're exactly right. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:40 | 6352577 rlouis
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Turkey wasn't on Wesley's list of countries to clusterf**k

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:27 | 6352896 Savyindallas
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Yeah, but we're already working on the new list  -Russia, China, much of South and Central America, most of the African nations. And don't forget Iceland - that shitty little country persecutes Banksters. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:47 | 6352602 frankly scarlet
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What a tangled web of "counter parties" all being set at each others throats by the "Great Satan" with the aid of the"little satan" and various Arab vassal states. But the oil still flows at very discounted prices so I guess all is well with the giant western energy conglomerates. As for the people of the region they get a big "Fuck You" from the puppet masters in the west who most likely are very pleased with their handywork; probably pulling some stunts  just to watch and then sit back and chuckle.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:52 | 6352611 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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When I was a kid I would put several different kinds of ants in a big 1 gallon glass mayonnaise jar (my Grandma worked in the elementary school cafeteria, so I got lots of jars & jugs etc..), anyway, I'd marvel at how

they didn't fuck with each other, they were all just trying to figure out an escape; that is till I started shaking the jar, then those little bastards would start fighting to the death. (I'm not terribly proud of this looking back

on it).  MENA is the jar and we're shaking the shit out of it; disaster capitalism at its finest.  I reckon I shouldn't whine about it, but just be glad THEY are not doing it here.......yet.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:23 | 6352678 J Jason Djfmam
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Wait until we get a magnifying glass!

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:13 | 6353868 BlussMann
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A bit on the sadistic side aren't you ?

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:55 | 6353967 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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I was a bit.  More curious than sadistic I guess. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:53 | 6352612 Omega_Man
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Tricky spot for Putin given Turkish gas stream, but losing Syira will end Russia gas sales to EU

Time for Russia and send troops to fight with Iranian and Iraqi troops to clear out ISIS, maybe some Chinese too.  Like in the the Bible.

ISIS will run scared if they know the Russians are coming... cause they know it means a REAL war... not a pussy US war... 

Possible version for Bible readers... Then Israel and US will fight against this army.

And at that point Israel and USA will be on the same side as ISIS. As it is now. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:28 | 6352693 J Jason Djfmam
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Perhaps Russia will fund a radical Christian group to counter ISIS.

CRISIS anyone?

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:24 | 6352880 Savyindallas
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we need to send down an American Christian Zionist brigade under General John Hagee. Restart the Crusades  - but since we have given up control of the Holy Land to the Bankster Zionists, we simply liberate the Un-Holy land controlled by the Muslims  -then we give it to the Zionist banksters. Christian Zionists are becoming more and more unwelcome in AmeriKa anyway  -the Un-Christian sodomists are now in control and there is just not enough room in this country for both of them. It's bad enough that every football game is bombarded with erectile disfunction commercials warning of the danger of 4 hour erections  -I think next season we see more anal wart treatment commecials and advertisements for butt-plugs. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 13:00 | 6353028 The Delicate Genius
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"Christian" Zionists are Zion's useful idiots - and they ain't Christian.

ISIS is armed and supported by Israel.

Bible thumping idiots are a big part of the reason we have a ZOG.

Wake the fuck up.

The Zionist-Created
Scofield 'Bible'
http://rense.com/general60/zcre.htm

Zionism’s un-Christian Bible
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/zionisms-un-christian-bible/

Creation and Manipulation of Popular Religion: the case of Christian Zionism.
http://www.911-strike.com/christian-zionists.htm

The Jewish command to deceive Christians about Bible prophecy
https://fitzinfo.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/the-jewish-command-to-mislead-...

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 14:13 | 6353304 Overfed
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As I see it, for Christians, the Old Testament (Jewish Bible) is essentially obsolete. Follow the teachings of Jesus.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 14:55 | 6353429 Amraphel
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what do you think jesus used when he said 'it is written'?

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 15:16 | 6353485 booboo
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Jesus came to fulfil the law, ("it is finished") there were no christians when Christ walked the earth. Just Judeans and Gentiles. There is no Judeans or Gentile anymore. You have pretend Judeans and Christians that think they can jump start armageddon.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 16:57 | 6353818 Volkodav
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If you obeyed Christ's teaching, you would never have uttered that first sentence

showing your ignorance.

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:44 | 6353940 Savyindallas
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The Old Testament has a lot of good. God had a covenant with the Jews. They were his Chosen People as long as they upheld their obligations under the Covenant  -Problem is they never did  -usually homosexuaal and other promiscuity, worshipping false idols, lust for money etc. -thus they were punished  -40 years in the Desert, Babylonion, Assyrian and Egyptian captivity, etc.  Eventually God got fed up with the jews and Jesus made everyone who followed his Word of Love and Universal humanity  God's Chosen people. Most of today's powerful Jews are as bad as they were then  -I don't know why Christian Zionists don't read the Old Testament  -all they know is "I will Bless they that bless thee and curse thee that curse thee" - total Bullshit when the formarly Chosen People continue to reject God and instead belong to the Synagogue of satan. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:56 | 6352617 Omega_Man
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One moron US general said it will take 50 years to defeat ISIS,

US war against Germany was less than one year... June 44 to April 45. Germany army was a little better than ISIS

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 10:59 | 6352624 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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General's wet dream come true, perpetual war, elevated defense spending, domestic slide to a military state.

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:01 | 6352629 djsmps
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This war is not meant to be won.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:27 | 6352692 JohninMK
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Oh yea of little knowledge.

I am sure that those US soldiers and airmen and sailors who fought the German Army in North Africa, Sicily and Italy prior to 1944 will thank you for the comment and almost certainly violently disagree.

If it had not been for the Soviet Army on the Eastern Front, absorbing losses beyond imagination, starving the German Western Front of resources, especially air cover, there is a strong possibility that Europe would now have been speaking German for the last 70 years.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:19 | 6352850 BlussMann
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God, wouldn/t that have been awful. Now Europe is learning to speak Arabic and whaever jibber jabber Arican Negros communicate with - teeth clicking ?

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 13:26 | 6353151 falak pema
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You obviously don't live in  Europe. And you obviously don't know how society works.

Those arabs speak the local language. And they represent 10% of local population.

They represent the new "serfs" in their urban  ghettos.

In a world going vertical bigtime, we NEED those serfs. Docile and marginalised.

In a feudal society-- we are racing towards that-- serfs work, die and serve as canon fodder.

So stay cool. Rome fell 'cos the elites wanted to fuck all day long. Not because the slaves wouldn't work. 

But because the  socio-ethnic elites were corrupt and didn't do THEIR  job ! 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:10 | 6353857 BlussMann
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10% now, 90% in a century. I read where France already has over 2000 Mosque with more coming up all the time. Not that anyone is going ot miss the French, or the English types either.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:36 | 6352713 Infinite QE
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Pretty hard to defeat something that one is intimately involved in creating.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:14 | 6352826 Savyindallas
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hard to defeat someone when you don't even try  - especially when you continue to arm them, bomb and fight those that are fighting isis - and when isis actually works for the CIA/Mossad/Saudi intelligence. Despite all these obstacles, we have to keep on trying. We have to trust that our Masters have a master plan. Just remember -War is Peace, Freedom is slavery, we all have to be enslaved if we want to be free. I think Michael Ledden calls it "creative destruction"  -  Just don't worry about it. Ignorance is bliss-knowledge is a curse. By the way, what the hell is caitlan jenner up to this weekend? I can't wait for Football season to start again. It's a little embarassing though watching games with my 13 year old daughter when every other commercial is about erectile disfunction and talking about how we have to see our doctor for all those 4 hour erections. 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:16 | 6352836 BlussMann
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Actually the US did as it did in WWI, came in like the Jackal it is at the end of the hard fightiing to snap up whatever it could steal. Wars that the US has had to fight, generally against less equipped opponents,have been drawn out and bloody affairs with the US normally quitting with a draw. When the psycho Hillary gets in the USSA military will really be tested since I'm confident this loose cannon will inspire some serious military confrontations - only this time the US will likely be up agaisnt opponenets as well equipped. Can the Trannies, Gays,Dykes and girly boys of the new American culutre perform ? We will see.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 16:35 | 6353734 Volkodav
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Nothing comparable there

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:31 | 6352700 Infinite QE
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Syria needs nukes. Take out Tel Aviv once and for all. Global peace prize.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:38 | 6352719 theyjustcantstop
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I think we're seeing obamas state dept. repeat, Clinton, what difference does it matter now, nueland f,u. turkey,.

pipelines are easer to build without those pesty citizens getting in the way.

within a decade the brics are going to have all the pipelines, and ports they need, but better yet their going to have product, and consumers.

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:59 | 6352754 Hannibal
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"...the US supported the insurgency against Assad".

Isn't that an act of (supporting) terrorism and a war crime against humanity..??

Just saying!

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:29 | 6352891 mog
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Isn't that an act of (supporting) terrorism and a war crime against humanity..??

 

Yep.

Standard US operating policy.

And from Yugoslavia onwards - up a notch

To the destruction of whole nations.

To mass murder and millions of refugees fleeing for their lives

To the deliberate creating of schism between sunni and shia.

To the financing, arming and training of some of the most vile jihadis on the planet.

Starting with the Taliban and KLA - on to the creme - ISIS - ISIL.

Crimes against humanity?

Nobody does it better or more thoroughly than the US.

Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya and a dozen more.

Largely  on behalf of a shitty little nation occupying the western part of Palestine.

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 16:10 | 6353663 Lurk Skywatcher
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Its not a crime if you hold veto power over the process of prosecution.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 11:59 | 6352783 Moccasin
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Hillary and other ignorant politicians in the West overlook the Syrian humanitarian crisis, 10s of thousands of innocent people dead, 100's of thousands displaced, the West and its 'allies' direct financing of the terrorists all with an eye to build a pipe line $$$. With the nerve of a bum tooth they blame Russia and China for stalling the further destruction and mayhem in Syria. The State Department treats everyone as expendable and the Kurds are betrayed again and again.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 14:08 | 6353287 Skip
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Don't worry Obama has them covered:

Syrian Muslims Head For Heartland

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:10 | 6352815 Pava
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Ass sad news

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:13 | 6352825 quasi_verbatim
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Turkey does not fear Islamic State. What's not to like? It is one. The Ataturk Secular Revolution is dead in the dust.

Turkey fears Kurds. Kurds are not very nice people. They want self-determination and a state of their own. They already have a chunk of Iraq, a chunk of Syria and they want a big, big chunk of Turkey. They escaped the chop one hundred years ago because, well, Armenians are Christian.

Turks had better roll their million-man army South and keep going until they reach the Indian Ocean, otherwise they will be fighting ISIL/Daesh/Assad/Mossad/Saudis/Kurds in the streets of Ankara and Istanbul.

News that Tony 'It's-only-a-teensy-weensy-leak' Hayward is on the spot means we can relax. Western interests are being looked after.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 12:56 | 6353013 caustixoid
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Yep, Turkey's dance with ISIS ain't gonna end well:  "When you dance with the devil the devil don't change, you change"

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 19:12 | 6354247 TradingTroll
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You don't like Kurds because they want independence?I don't know or care where you live but u out very obviously caved into your masters.You don't mind being a slave.  the Kurds do.

 

 

 

 

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 23:22 | 6354813 Angry White Dude
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I don't think he was saying he dislikes Kurds. I think he was saying they're formidable and determined.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 13:00 | 6353020 I Write Code
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This article is a bunch of gibberish written about a totally chaotic situation.  The only image that emerges is pretty fuzzy, and that's that the Kurds, who we kind of like and kind of owe, are in the middle of things and mostly getting screwed over by all sides.  Oh, and the US is also on both sides, on every side, as there are probably four or six or eleven different "sides" involved and their allegiances change every day, every hour.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 13:38 | 6353198 Winston Churchill
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I wish the MENA was so simple.you forgot the family feuds.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 13:08 | 6353055 The Delicate Genius
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There's likely more than one "ISIS" and 'ISIS' will probably be used to label the native people of some far off land who resist their US puppet regime - as in Yemen.

The Houthi, clearly the good guys, relatively, have been all but pained as 'terrorists' for resisting the US backed dictatorship.

Lie after lie was peddled - transforming small ships carrying medical supplies into an Iranian invasion.

ISIS, more than anything, is a US/Israeli proxy to destroy Iraq and Syria as functioning states, as Libya was, removing a threat to not only the petrodollar, which is dying anyway, but to {Greater} Israel's economic and military hegemony.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...

http://www.voltairenet.org/article186019.html

Can't have Iran supplying medical isotopes and nanodiamonds cheaper than the Jews now can we?

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Sat, 07/25/2015 - 13:57 | 6353239 Skip
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Turkish intelligence has ALWAYS worked hand-in-glove with the Mossad. Turkey has DELIBERATELY let ISIS recruits and weaponry pass through their borders and into Syria. Turkey SHOT DOWN Syrian planes that were IN Syrian airspace.

I think there is something very STRANGE about Turkey.
Very strange.

Like the Saudis. They all seem close to Israel in reality aside from their occasional public propaganda to pacify the masses.

"Arab Palestinian Christians and Arab Palestinian Muslims lived side by side for the past 1400 years, and for anybody to say that the Arab Palestinian Christians have been persecuted recently by Muslims is absolutely another big lie, like the big lie that spoke of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq."
Riah Abu El-Assal, Christian Bishop of Jerusalem

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 15:43 | 6353565 The Delicate Genius
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Is This the End of Christianity in the Middle East?
ISIS and other extremist movements across the region are enslaving, killing and uprooting Christians, with no aid in sight.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/magazine/is-this-the-end-of-christi...

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 16:27 | 6353715 aminorex
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Erdogan is detached from reality, caught up in ideological paranoid schizophrenia. A free and independent Kurdistan is Turkey's natural ally. But instead, he prefers a perpetual civil war. Idiocy.

Sat, 07/25/2015 - 17:18 | 6353876 Jorgen
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