Historically, it has always been the Republican Party that splits. It has been a odd mixture of liberalism from the viewpoint of citizen rights before those of the government and the original constitutional goal of preserving the sovereignty of the states v the the Federalists. This liberal view has often taken the position of Libertarian whereas the so called “liberal” view of the Democrats is not liberal at all, it is liberal with other people’s money in the battle-cry of Marxism. This Republican “libertarian-ism” is what Trump is tapping into as is Bernie Sanders in the Democratic party. Both the traditional Republicans are owned by the NY banks as is Hillary Clinton, in who more people now distrust Hilary than trust her.
This Republican “libertarian-ism” actually traces back to Thomas Jefferson – the ultimate anti-Federalist. Jefferson championed the Bill of Rights that both the Republicans and the Democrats no longer respect as demonstrated by Obama’s actions being indistinguishable from Bush regarding the NSA and both sides called Snowden a traitor.
The humility of Jefferson further showing his Libertarian views can be demonstrated simply by reading his tombstone. There is no mention of him being President of the United States. His accomplishments regarding liberty and for his home state are duly noted. He omitted any mention of being President since he was an anti-Federalist.
The Party Republicans are dreaming of chasing Donald Trump away since he is dominating the agenda and they want this to be politics as usual. What they fail to grasp is the rising resentment of politicians is the resurgence of Jeffersonian Libertarian-ism. Personally, I seriously doubt that mainstream Republicans will even allow Trump to take their ticket. I cannot imagine John Bohner not engaging in some covert action to try to prevent a Republican Trump ticket.
The Republicans keep publicly rebuking the Trump for his inflammatory comments, yet he climbs in the polls. The very reason the majority of Democrats distrust Hillary Clinton is the foundation as to why Trump is so popular. They at least know he is not beholding to Goldman Sachs as both Bush and Hillary are most assuredly. There is no doubt that a Bush or Hillary victory in 2016 will be indistinguishable for both will represent business as usual.
Where Rand Paul could have been a real contender, he seems to have lost his appeal for he too is trying to stay within the party and play politics as usual. The Republicans could chase Trump out and we could end up with a Trump third-party Libertarian surge. That would be the potential nightmare scenario for the GOP which our computer has been warning about for decades into 2016. NO, we are not advising Trump to answer the questions on this topic.
A populist outsider with unlimited resources attacking the Republican and Democrat nominees in the general election will be perhaps the most interesting presidential election of all time. This will be really raising political hell and our computer has been projecting just that but at the same time a rise in the people voting for 2016 attracting votes from both Democrats fed up with Hillary and Republicans tired of politics as usual.
The Republican Party mainstream establishment are out of touch and are not in tune with what is really happening. They cannot grasp they the emperor has no clothes. They are playing with disaster by trying to go after Donald Trump minimizing him and excluding him. They cannot see that times are changing – out with the old and in with the new.
Trump has become a their favorite punching bag since launching his White House campaign. Questioning Sen. John McCain as a war hero was really spot on. He said:
- Trump: “He’s not a war hero.”
- Frank Luntz, interjecting: “He IS a war hero.”
- Trump, chewing on his words, speaking quickly, with annoyance: “He is a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured, OK?”
A person who was a true War Hero did something magnanimous. McCain himself has acknowledged that he was a less-than-stellar Skyhawk pilot. He was a bit too reckless, and, had he made better decisions, might have avoided his shoot-down in 1967. Being captured does NOT make someone a war hero. If that is the standard, then it diminishes all those who received the Congressional Medal of Honor for being a real hero. So Trump was actually very correct and any Vet who respects those who went beyond the call of duty to save their fellow soldiers would agree calling McCain a war hero tarnishes the memory those who died saving their comrades by placing McCain in the same category. Sorry – Trump was right on that one.
Trump has repeatedly declined to rule out a third-party White House run, saying in an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper earlier this month that he’s constantly being asked to run as an independent. He has said that his decision to run as an Independent will depend on “how I’m being treated by the Republicans.”
If Trump took up a Third-Party, it might be the biggest shot we have at saving the country insofar as it would at least turn Capitol Hill into a new playing field. It really would not matter who the Third-Party candidate would be, Washington needs to be shaken and stirred vigorously to let these people know being a “representative” is supposed to be OF THE PEOPLE, not of yourself, the Party, and government. Whatever it takes to upset the apple-cart, at this point, we need rather desperately for we are headed in a direction that will destroy our future and these morons are demonstrating that they do not get it and are pissed off at Trump for not playing their game of never telling anything the way it is, sugar coat everything, promise the moon, and deliver nothing.
Possible. But don't be so certain the "leaders" of the republicans can get rid of him in the first place.
Grow up, Martin. A third Party cannot win. Any significant (but totally inadequate) showing will, however, ensure the next President is a Democrat. Advocating a third Party is exactly what the Dems and MSM are effectively doing with Trump. It's Hillary's best chance. So what are you trying to do?
Today's questions: Shouldn't nihilistic carping be self-eradicating by definition? Could we just accept that in principle and save some space in every set of comments?
I still can't believe people come here and debate the seriousness of all this.
Trump would be a shitstain like all the rest. His true usefulness is the scorched earth mouth he runs.
I'd rather have him around to upend a few apple carts and tear down some "revered elders" like McCain in the process, but if he got in nothing would change.
Squirrelbonnet Trump is a Pro Clinton Trojan Horse
It's always the Republicans who split? What about Henry Wallace in 48 and George Wallace in 68?
Biden v Walker 2016
For some crazy reason my brain just imagined the ticket would be DonaldTrump and GeorgeCarlin. Maybe because both have a very direct delivery style, and speak directly. If nothing else, it would be grand to watch Trump and Carlin absolutely dissect everyone else in debates and speeches. Too bad Carlin died.
Whether Trump would end up worse than the field is anyone's guess. However, at this point in history (no hope), what's to lose? For certain things just get infinitely worse with anyone else. Perhaps many people will think this too.
To compare George Carlin to Donald Trump or to even suggest that they have any views in common is complete blasphemy. How dare you insult the name and reputation of George Carlin this way?
Yeah, I know that. Which is why I said it was just a "stream of consciousness" flash, and probably came from their delivery styles.
Carlin was simply awesome.
BTW, if that ticket did get elected, it would be very good to have Carlin sitting down with Trump every day to kick his butt. I mean his head.
I long ago stopped spending my time paying attention to presidential politics (Ron Paul aside). It was an admission that this game is rigged. Nothing changes, because if someone actually got elected and began implementing real reform, he'd quickly get the Kennedy treatment.
Time to recognize that your vote is meaningless. Political coverage is pure propaganda. Elections are theater. Nothing more.
A better approach is to prepare for the eventual reset. The math on this shit show can be ignored, but is undeniable.
Get yourself ready for a different way of life. Get yourself in good physical condition. You'll need it. Prepare yourself mentally and spiritually for what happens when the Great Correction occurs.
Doesn't matter who is in office or what party. I got my best high paying job in the middle of recession. You are right, its all theatre, but people keep falling for it time after time.
Ross Perot got Clinton elected TWICE. Doan go there cause Trump cannot win - as a Republican or Independent. Congratulations President Hillary Clinton.
Wrong. A bad candidate in Bush the First got Clinton the win.
Is Trump Perot on steroids?
Ho*ly*sh*it. Maybe.
Give me a break. trump is no more or less than John Anderson in 1980. He is there to insure a conservative doesn't get in. Then it was Reagan now it is Ted Cruz.
To say that Bernie Sanders is a libertarian is to say Lenin, Marx or Stalin were libertarians. Bernie is a Marxist pure and simple. Not only that but he is a corrupt Marxist. Remember the House Banking scandal? Bernie had only been in a few months when it broke... and he had already got involved!
Harry Truman said, "Anyone who gets rich in politics is a God damned crook!"
Bernie was on welfare until he got elected office. When he ran against Mark Tarrent, Bernie was outed as being worth 10 million! Proving one thing beyond a shadow of a doubt... Politics is a sure way of getting rich.
By Harry Truman's definition... what does that make Bernie?
I wish Trump would have done whatever he is doing - eight years earlier!
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Representative Democracy 'of the people' is the crock you bought at Constitution-time, and it remains a crock today.
You should stop quoting and re-quoting the Founding Oligarchs and move on.
It is not a "Representative Democracy", it is a REPUBLIC ("A Republic if you can keep it"--- Ben Franklin) That the criminals in Congress, the executive and in the SCOTUS have ignored the Supreme Law of the land is not a cause to "move on", it is a cause to dig in our collective heels and enforce it--- or else we will not "keep it". As of now we kave already lost it, and your attitude is a big reason why, when spread across the population.
Amen, the Founding Fuckups hated the idea of a Bill of Rights but caved when it appeared the rube state legislatures weren't going to take the bait without being included in this "genius" document. Interestingly, the Federalist argument against a Bill of Rights was that the jury system would protect the new "American Citizens" from a tyrannical Federal government since, at that time, JURIES COULD DECLARE ANY LAW CHARGED AGAINST A DEFENDANT TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND ILLEGAL, called Jury Nullification - now the System will not allow that argument to the jury and will punish jurors who openly advocate nullification.
How is there a 'risk' in a genuine Republic, for a 'third party' ?
How is there a risk, in a genuine Republic, IF there is only ONE POLITICAL PARTY ?
Donald Trump is the very embodiment of the American Dream. He's filthy rich, he's utterly ignorant, he's vulgar, he doesn't mince his words even though he generally doesn't have the foggiest idea what he's talking about, he's funny, he's larger than life.
All in all, he is GREAT.
He should be POTUS! Go Donald!
Real democracies have 5 or 6 parties sharing power.
USA has ONE party and DEMPUBS.
Bullying warmongers and pure trash.
est R or D, win because of trump? no - but it gives many a reason to stay away..the main line D or R is death to America as we have seen over and over again..so sure I could vote for trump but then I have to vote on a diebold machine and it will determine outcome. power comes from the barrel of a gun, and the D and R's have all the .gov's and police guns. guess who wins? if trump is on the ballet come november he gets my vote, oh you smart guys think, it better to vote for clinton or bush..LOL never will those two get a vote from me.
16 months to election. its ludicrous that way they are now starting all this bullshit. Most democracies have about a 3 month election cycle.
I predict you won't hear about Trump come next summer.
Just like Herman Cain.
I America politicians rarely do any governing. They usually are busy trying to stay in office. and do NOT represent the people but the corporations.
They go in with little money and come out billionaires.
1920s/2000s - High inequality, high banker pay, globalisation
1929/2008 - Wall Street Crash
1930s/2010s - Global recession, currency wars, nationalism, rising extremism
1940s/ ? - Global War
Who will play the role of Germany?
The people loved Hitler, not the old elites or intellectuals. He was in tune with populist opinion.
The US is a fading super-power and its people long for the glorious past of this once great nation.
The nation is inward looking with many never having been out of the country.
The US has military power that is superior to all others.
Is Donald Trump offering the nation what Hitler offered Germany?
National pride.
We know what comes next.
bat you are nuts. trump as hitler?? he is ONE man, and the deep state can handle any one man.
even if he tries to do the right thing, they will stop him, slow him down, drown him in petty scandal, or give him the JFK car ride.
We can watch and see.
Hitler and the NSDAP (composed of millions of patriotic Germans) offered a bit more than "national pride". I would encourage you to study history a bit more deeply and not rely on Jewish sources like the History Channel or NatGeo. There is no comparasion to the European and German situation in the early 20th Century and the USSA of the here an now. Trump doesn't have a revolutioniary world view like a Hitler or Mussolini but Trump does address the obvious plan to replace the Euro American population with a primarily Mexcian population, and even white's in America are begining to figure that one out. Anyway, the USSA political system needs an enema, so I hope he goes 3rd party after the Republicans lock him out of the cconvention hall.
Americans do not understand that the economics of politics is the real underlying problem in the United States. The Republicans and the Democrats both bring the same economic theory to the problems, which is why the USA Titanic is sinking. If you vote Republican or Democrat it simply doesn't matter. A new political party in the United States is needed, and needed NOW, that will refute Keynsian economic theory and bring the United States back to long term fiscal sanity, the Hard Way. Trump has not addressed the bureaucratic and government problems stemming from our underlying economic dissolution as a nation regarding the debt, government manipulation and central planning of markets, dissolution of the Fed, crony capitalism, etc. These thorny issues are what Trump needs to focus on so that we can determine where he truly stands vis a vis the Banksters. I'm not convinced he's the guy for the job. But at this point HE LOOKS LIKE a political outsider...which makes him the best candidate by far over the rest of the entire field.
As a Canuck I laughed when Trump threw his hat in the ring. But following his platform I'm learning respect for the guy. Particularily that he's not afraid to say what needs to be said. I don't think he's the lesser evil. I think he can shake up DC and put the USA first. I hope.
Ross Perot.
Unlike all of the rest of the candidates (with maybe one exception...not sure yet), Donald Trump shows backbone and does not necessarily say what You want to hear. Time is running out on this Country. Everyone with half a brain knows the Rs and the Ds are one in the same and are complicit with the continual decline of this Country socially, ethically and financially. One caters to Corporate welfare - Money. One caters to Social welfare - Votes. How long do You really think this can go on? If You think any of these puppet-masters have enough guts to step out of line and make any kind of positive difference in this Country, You are mistaken. It is all about money for Wall Street & the TBTF banks on one side and political power and free hush money on the other. And both are out of control and destroying this Country. Of course, the MSM and the Supreme Court are also playing supporting roles in all of this as well. People are sick and damn tired of this BS! We want our Country back!! We are the ones who made her great, not these political parasites. I like what I am hearing from Donald Trump so far. If I voted today, he would get my vote mostly for what he is NOT, more so than what his platform may be.
Bullcrap.
George Wallace split the Democrats in 1968. The Peace and Freedom and Green parties have to be seen as Democratic spinoffs. Even the Know-Nothings of 1850 drew from Democrats - as the Republicans hadn't even been invented yet!
Ross Perot wasn't particularly Republican or Democrat, he probably pulled 60/40 from Republicans, but he broke down before the general so he mostly registered protest votes in any case. Maybe that's the truth, people like Trump and Bloomberg aren't really dedicated to any party. This may be a good thing.
How soon we forget. Trump wants power, not change. Were he serious about fixing things he would have already been nailgunned or thrown in the slammer on trumped-up tax crimes.
Remember Ross Perot's Reform Party? Neither does Ross. He endorsed George W. Bush in 2000. All he succeeded in doing in 1992 and 1996 was splitting the white vote and getting Bill Clinton elected twice.
Fuck Perot and fuck Trump. Go back to the Eighties where you belong, Donald
Far be it from me to play the grammar freak, but lousy grammar on the Internet is getting way out of hand. From the above Zero Hedge article:
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This Republican “libertarian-ism” is what Trump is tapping into as is Bernie Sanders in the Democratic party. Both the traditional Republicans are owned by the NY banks as is Hillary Clinton, in who more people now distrust Hilary than trust her.
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Well this is grammar rot even here on Zero Hedge. The Tylers are getting lazy. Maybe it could be:
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This Republican “libertarian-ism” is what Trump is tapping into as is Bernie Sanders in the Democratic party. Both the traditional Republicans are owned by the NY banks as is Hillary Clinton. (Moreover, more people now distrust than trust her.)
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Furthermore, political labels have become 99% semantically bleached (they mean almost nothing.) And it's pointless to say Thomas Jefferson was a “libertarian” (that is, someone suffering from govenal phobia). I say he was just a dirty old version of Barack Obama.
"A populist outsider with unlimited resources attacking the Republican and Democrat nominees in the general election will be perhaps the most interesting presidential election of all time."
Nahhhhhhh...
Let's look at the stats for a previous billionaire candidate:
From: List of third party performances in United States elections
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third_party_performances_in_United_...
1992 Independent Ross Perot, Popular votes: 19,743,821, Electoral votes: 0
1996 Reform Party Ross Perot, Popular votes: 8,085,402, Electoral votes: 0
The best showings of 3rd party prez candidates in the last 100 years:
1924 Progressive, Robert M. La Follette/Burton K. Wheeler, Popular votes: 4,833,821, Electoral votes: 13/531
1948 States' Rights Democratic, Strom Thurmond/Fielding L. Wright, Popular votes: 1,175,946, Electoral votes: 39/531
1968 American Independent, George Wallace/Curtis LeMay, Popular votes: 9,901,118, Electoral votes: 46/538