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185 Billion Reasons Why The US Agreed To Nuclear Deal With Iran
Many have questioned just why President Obama was so keen to get the Iran nuclear deal done - apparently with almost no real concessions - in the face of allies home and abroad deriding the agreement. Well, if one were so inclined, OilPrice.com explains that Iran's deputy oil minister for commerce and international affairs, Hossein Zamaninia, told Reuters that the country has already identified 50 oil and gas projects it will offer for bids - with the government pegging the value of these properties at $185 billion...
Submitted by Dave Forest via OilPrice.com,
Important news last week -- from a place that's quickly becoming the world's focus for high-impact oil and gas projects.
That's Iran. Where government officials said they are on the verge of revolutionizing the country's petroleum sector. Which could provide big profit opportunities for foreign investors.
Iran's deputy oil minister for commerce and international affairs, Hossein Zamaninia, told Reuters that the country has already identified 50 oil and gas projects it will offer for bids. With the government pegging the value of these properties at $185 billion.
And officials are hoping to get these fields licensed out soon. With Zamaninia saying that the government plans to offer all of the blocks over the next five years.
Perhaps most importantly, Iranian officials say they have designed a new petroleum contract structure for international investors. Which they are calling the "integrated petroleum contract" or IPC.
Officials said that the IPCs will last for a term of 20 to 25 years. A substantial improvement over the older, shorter-term contracts -- which have been a major stumbling point for the world's oil and gas companies.
Few other details on the IPC structure have yet been provided. But the government noted that the new contracts will address "some of the deficiencies of the old buyback contract".
Deputy Minister Zamaninia said that full details on the new contracts will be announced within the next two to three months. Along with specifics on the fields being offered by the government for bids.
Of course, all of this is predicated on the lifting of Western sanctions against Iran -- which is still not a certainty. But if and when the country does open for investment, it appears there will be substantial prizes to won. Watch for further announcements on projects and fiscal terms over the next few months.
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Billions of dollars for the firms that lobbyists represent can be one hell of a motivation to do a deal with the devil it seems...
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Iran's energy supplies also devalue the energy exports from Russia. It's all part of Obama's full spectrum war against Putin.
In what way(s)?
Lot more energy becomes available as sanctions against Iran are lifted. So energy prices fall and it hurts Russia.
Russia and its oil are likely to be losers in Iran dealhttp://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/16/russian-and-its-oil-are-likely-to-be-lose...
Deal with the Devil?
I chuckled because honestly I am not sure who they actually meant.
pods
Remember The Keystone!
Regards,
Cooter
It could also be that we've been banging our head against the wall with the Israelis and Arabs for 50 years, which is clearly not working. Time for a change. Anybody who wants to poo poo this deal should realize that what they really want is for us to continue bashing our head against the wall.
we've pretended to bang our head - what's happened is that the jews never intended to do anything but do what they are doing - continue the ethnic cleansing of Palestine begun 100 years ago - premised on the myth [for most] that today's Jews are a}direct descendents of ancient Israelite Canaanites and that b} ergo are entitled to land occupied by others 2,000 yers later [leaving aside that Jews happily lived all over the mediterranean for centuries before christ, at one point attempting to make Cyprus a Jewish state].
Are their mods and libs who would make a deal -s ure - but Jeiwsh fundamentalists and supremacists have the reins
Israel’s attack on Egypt in June ’67 was not ‘preemptive’
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/07/04/israels-attack-on-egypt-i...
people don't appreciat e- when the jews 'declared' a state - they declared that there was a state on land that they a] didnt control, b] didnt have legal or moral right to and c] was occupied by Palestinians - around 750k of whom fled or were expelled
Most, nearly all of the fighting took place OUTSIDE what was to be the Jewish portion of the mandate of Palestine {post division from transjordan]
The arabs were DEFENDING Arab land from mostly european-born jews who intended to create an ethnarchy
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
this isnt my opinion'; - its what happened. Even Israeli writers are feeling comfortable enough to admit it from benny morris to.... guy who wrote "ethnic cleansing of palestine" -pappe...
Yeah, amazing how all the carbon neutral rhetoric falls to the wayside when speaking about middle east allies. Almost as if the whole carbon movement is some sort of NGO green washing for SPE's.
The devil? Why that would be the Great Satan, of course, the USA.
The Real Reasons For the Iran Agreement — Paul Craig Roberts
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2015/07/92249-the-real-reasons-for-the-iran-agr...
US-Israeli Imperialists Plot Downfall of Syria and Iran
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2015/07/92136-us-israeli-imperialists-plot-down...
The nuclear issue is a ruse. This is about Zionist Jews with ties to Likud who want to use US blood and treasure to smash Israel's military AND ECONOMIC regional rivals so Greater Israel can bomb and invade without fear of serious repercussion
http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...
autojunkers will autojunk but if you have doubts but are honest, consider:
http://www.ahavat-israel.com/eretz/future
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
http://mycatbirdseat.com/tag/the-machiavelian-threefold-game-of-the-neoc...
ALSO CONSIDER:
Jewish donors prominent in presidential campaign contributions
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-donors-prominent-in-presidential-cam...
‘Commentary’ says amount of US political money coming from Jews is ‘staggering’
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/commentary-says-amount-of-us-political-mon...
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/10/30/jewish-power-campaign-contri...
http://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-campaign-donations-to-the-U-S-De...
Plus - the "deep state" Neocons and other MIC
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/05-08-2014/128217-deep_state-0/
https://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/zionism-101-the-zionist-i...
I'm not blaming "the joos" -I'm blaming a minority of them - the Likudnik warmongering neocons which infest our government and media.
Is there anything wrong with Jews debating with the Jewish-American Secretary of the Treasury about the merits of a treaty between the U.S. and Iran? Perhaps not, but it’s difficult to suppose that all those intense emotions have anything to do with the interests of the United States. Certainly such displays might cause some to wonder a bit about the age-old loyalty issue; probably best to avoid that one.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/06/the-nytimes-will-only-so-so...
We Are... the 97.5%
lol.
Wrong, Russia has market of 5 billion people/ BRICS
Its all relative.
Really? Then why does Putin support this deal? Plus, opening Iran up will just depress our domestic oil production.
Obama is not a Muslim, but he is an atheist with deep Muslim sympathies....who also despises America. In the end, it's all about enabling our enemies and knocking the US down a few pegs.
"Russia and its oil are likely to be losers in Iran deal"
BULLHONKEY!
#1 - Putin has been actively pushing forward the Iran deal, knowing Iran's oil will quickly come online as a result.
#2 - Putin knows Iran is a crucial piece in the Eurasian Grand Alliance Russia-China are constructing.
#3 - Putin also knows Saudi Arabia is ripe for ushering into that new Alliance, where Iran's Persian Gulf ambitions can be throttled w/o a hot war.
#4 - Putin is more than willing to continue to endure short-term financial pain as this Alliance is given birth. It will pay medium-term gargantuan benefits as a true geopolitical counterweight to the U.S.
#5 - It's U.S. domestic oil production that is most at risk here - bankrupting that sector for decades is paramount to Russia, Saudi, Iran and all the other producers. Plus, geopolitically, the big consumers (China, India, et al) also want to see that U.S. sector bankrupted and the dollar's dominance undermined.
Conventional wisdom on this subject is dead wrong because it is far too shortsighted and narrowly focused on what fantasies the U.S. keeps hoping will come true.
Bingo. If Obama and Kerry are leading the negotiations, you can be sure that the US will end up on the short end of the stick in any deal. Putin's support for the deal just confirms that. We ARE going to get cosmically fucked-in-the-ass, but just exactly how won't be apparent till Obama leaves office.
+1000
The only thing consistent about our fair gentle president is that every move he makes is against the US. He and his handlers want to destroy the country so they can usher in a completely different system. This evil is calculating and, what is most dangerous, patient. It is happy to set laws, policies and agreements in place that may not seem too offending but the big picture isn't often seen until decades later. I think it's safe to assume resistance to anything this evil attemtps to change in this country.
+100 bang on the money analysis
http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-nuclear-deal-iran-20141...
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none." -- Jefferson
There are so many factions vying for power, many with ulterior motives, who are forming counter intuitive alliances based on "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" strategies.
The whole shit show has become so convoluted that at this point we (the west) might as well air drop weapons to all inhabitants, then step back and watch the fireworks.
Better yet, we could mind our own business, and take care of problems here on the home front. It seems like the linked picture is emblematic of world foreign policy.
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/backwardgImage1.jpg
we (the west) might as well air drop weapons to all inhabitants, then step back and watch the fireworks.
That's called American history, 1945-2015.
Agreed, but it seems we used to at least make the pretense of choosing sides, hell now it's a damn free for all, literally free arms for all. It's no damn wonder 2.3 trillion of tax dollars fell down the rabbit hole, and we,
the damn taxpayers didn't even get offered any rabbit stew.
It's easier to go to war with someone that you have a treaty with because breaking the treaty is a slam dunk justification. No one cared what was really in the treaty as long as Iran agreed to the treaty because they know Iran will break it.
just as well it wasn't a treaty .
Treaties are made to be broken.
No way. We still give our Indians a crisp 5 dollar bill once a year. I think the Queen personally hands them out.
https://youtu.be/xS3Y_4Wxs5M?t=20s I got your treaty.
How can going to war be esier than it is now? The Commander-in-chief just needs a prime time speech and then "make it so".
bass ackwards:
they inserted vague language and have the treaty so they can CLAIM, under color of law, that Iran broke it.
Essentially, they are attempting to criminalize Iran's ability to defend itself from unlawful anglo-Zionist attack... an attack which is using the nuke issue as a pretext.
And it is only a pretext.
uh, Russia was in on the deal. You mean they fucked themselves.
We drank the Saud's milkshake, we'll drink Iran's milkshake. They'll fight for best priced milkshake.
I'm glad I didn't scrap my inline 6 '91 BMW 535i during the cash-4-clunker bullshit.
Cheap oil is on the way?
https://youtu.be/svek-IlP2lg
Roadhazard is one that gets it. The entire premise of this piece makes no sense. Obama is no friend of the oil industry and he has little or no interest in helping them to make money. Most in that industry do not support Obama and many are outright hostile. Remember Obama is all about helping his friends and destroying his foes. There are reasons Obama supported the agreement but helping Western or Russian oil interests develop Iranian oil fields is not one of them.
Exxon needs new fields.
Or maybe in three to five years when that huge frack ramp has run its couse and the US mean reverts to its production trend line the additional global supply coming online around that time will be sorely needed.
Don't forget one of the largest oil fields in the world is in Iran ... and it was discovered in the 80s. Saudis big field was discovered in the 40s.
If the game is going to continue, it has to have oil - and they can't print that.
Regards,
Cooter
Nice theory, except Pooty signed onto the deal. Maybe he's in a full spectrum war with himself.
Iran could'nt become a full SCO member with sanctions on.
None of that money,which is theirs anyway, will be going to US companies.
You can bet the farm on that.
its not mutually exclusive:
Obama [or his masters] could in theory calculate iran's oil will hurt russia - I can see Zbig and the anglo militarists, who want to target russia first and foremost rather than dick around with israel's neighbors for its lebensraum...
at the same time, Ivan could anticipate that any loss in oil profits would be more than made up for by other considerations.
I dont know, but the point is, Putin being for it for x, y, z, doesnt mean Obama cant be for it for A, B, C.
However, I think its something else:
I think they drafted this thing to be vague and ambiguous, will use some breach to justify an attack under color of law {iran has no nukes and isnt working on any - its a pretext} - a justification that doesnt need proof of nukes or working on nyukes, just... something like Iran being able to defend itself with certain anti-aircraft missiles will be used, or refusing to allow inspectors in to some military base [no country on EARTH allows unfettered access].
I also think the US needs substantial time to rearm and get its shit together, as does israel.
Iran can certainly return some fire.
Same old same old. If you can't make it in the U.S. ($$), make it there.
Just goes to further prove how our politican's sell out to corporations. That's called Fascism!
Isn't it better to trade for energy than to bomb for freedom? Each scenario can be seen as supporting corporations but assuming that the corporatist paradigm is presently inescapable which corporations would you rather see prevail?
Socialize losses for the children of central bankers benefit.
RIPS
Reading this, the first thing that popped into my is head is that GS must be involved somehow......
Say what you will about the deal, but aside from all the noise, anything that avoids another war that kills a few thousand more Americans, a few hundred thousands innocent civilians, and racks up another 2-4 trillion in debt is a good thing.
Who knows, maybe those lobbyists not wanting to get their investments nationalized by the Iranian govt(which would happen in the event of a conflict) will exert more influence on whatever stooge occupies the White House than the regular neocon cheerleaders constantly looking for a new war.
Probably not , but one can hope.
But it's an OBAMA deal so fuck all that saving lives crap. BushCo would have hung another banner and the repubicans would cheer.
Bush is old hat. What Would Donald Bomb?
One of his creditors.
There was no need for deal to made at all. Iran's oil can sit in the ground un used and unsold, while the West continued to block trade with the Mullahs. I think the Mullahs were loosing power over the prople slowly drip by drip.
No we have eliminated barriers to Iran going NUC, are dropping import and export sanctions against a regeme that calls for our destruction daily, and next we are going to give them billions of dollars for their oil so they can buy or develope weapons to use against us.
Without question, this is the stupidest course of action we could take for America.
No we have eliminated barriers to Iran going NUC
Cite the specifics or shut the fuck up. Iran was already a signatory to the NNPT which barred them from developing nuclear weapons and this treaty sets the bar even higher.
Part of that treaty said no aid would be given to countries that didnt agree...lets see iran...no aid.
Israel refused to sign....and tons of aid.
Alls well.
RIPS
So you are thinking this new Kerry / Obama deal will solidify peace and property for all in our time? The kindly and generous Ayatollah is going to shit rainbows of happiness all over the world and would never, never pursue a nuclear bomb?
Pull your head out of your ass.
Stop with your stupid goddam LIES.
Iran never threatened the USA , you fucking MORON. You believe bullshit.
A group of 30 paid agents screaming ''Death to America'' does NOT a revolution make.
I bet you have never been to Tehran. You just parrot the bullshit your lying ZioNazis feed you.
Pathetic.
You are correct that I have never been to Teran.
So you are thinking this guy is al;l about peace and happiness https://dbkp.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/ayatollah-khomeini-ten-quotes-by-t...
What I do believe is that the US has involved itself in the affairs of foreign nations to everyones detriment. I would not have any dealings with ememys at all.
what an idiot
Iran chants death to anyone who is non Muslim
and they spend mucho cash on terrorism
what a complete idiot you are
glad you aren't here anymore doochboy
Morons like you don't have a fucking clue about the real world. YOu support despotic regimes like Saudi where women can't drive, and they behead people daily , and have actually asked Pakistan for nukes.
I do not support and despotic regiemes nor do I think we have any dealings with the Nations of Islam at all including Saudi, Pakistan and all the rest. Why the hell do we give them our money? What do we think they are going to do with it once they have it?
Morons like you don't have a fucking clue about the real world. YOu support despotic regimes like Saudi where women can't drive, and they behead people daily , and have actually asked Pakistan for nukes.
So many logical fallacies there I don't know where to start. For one, what would be the motive to "buy or develop weapons to use against us" ? If the sanctions are lifted and they are participating in the world's economy by selling oil on the open market, it would be completely counter-productive to attack a country that could totally destroy the economy that lifting the sanctions enabled. But don't let logic or facts get in the way of pushing the Zionist/corporate agenda.
I don't know where to start
I recommend you start by consolidating your multiple posts in to a single, concise message where you address the points of the article. Rather than the name-calling spam approach you have taken.
The nations of Islam respect strength and power, not the rule of law. That is why I think given a huge pile of money, their first priority is to buy weapons. There is no doubt that we also make the mistake of selling them advanced weapon systems. The stupidity of it unending.
Who is we? You, obama, Hillary, Crazy Johnm and Lurch?
"and next we are going to give them billions of dollars for their oil so they can buy or develope weapons to use against us."
Do you work for Mossad or something? Seriously, this is a page right out of their talking points ..
To be fair, this is payback for the blowback of '53. What goes around comes around. This will be a win for both the Iranian and the American people. The way we should have been dealing in the ME all along. Some will profit immensely from their enterprise. That is how a fair and free market is supposed to work ..
All of his creditors. The man doesn't pull punches. Nothing gets between the Donald and his mooching.
If you trust the Usurper, Hussein Obama to do the right thing then you are just not thinking.
Another bogus article from ZH:
1. Iran gave away a lot. Iran nuclear has disarmed itself!
2. Putin is an incompetent POS. Iran remembers very well that, without the Russian participation, the USA and EU would not be able to impose sanctions on Iran in a first place. By improving relationship with ~ 100M people Iran, the USA will be able easily remove the Putin's Russia from a map.
3. Finally, whoever writes about Russia on ZH does not read and/or understand Russian. Consequently, these people have no clue about the Russian reality since they don't have the first hand info about Russia.
Try this site sheenie
The Russians don't do Polish jokes any more, it is now Udraine jokes. This is a must see here.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/russias-week-in-humor-for-july-23-2...
john kerry aiming for the nobel peace prize. gonna try & use that as a springboard to get into the race for the democratic nomination. that deal was gonna get done at any cost. even if kerry had to give iran 100 nukes. there was no-way a "deal" was not going to get signed.
Yeah, John Kerry is running the show. What a maroon! If Obama is a puppet (and he is) then Kerry is certainly a puppet too.
He would run it about as well as a three legged plow mule runs the triple crown ...
Regards,
Cooter
No one can effectively run the lives of 300 million people. The whole thing is a sick joke.
in the face of allies home and abroad deriding the agreement
Which are those allies and to whom are they allied in whose interest?
Blanket statements are usually a coverup!
Oh, that would be the allies who bomb and strafe American sailors and give the NATO defense plans to the Soviets.
still don't think Russia and the US are on the same side? They are divying up the world West vs East and trading everything in between amongst themselves
There is so much wrong with this post it almost defies belief. Let's start with this quote: "...in the face of allies home and abroad deriding the agreement." How can the writer seriously expect sentient humans to believe this? Our "allies" England, France, Germany, as well as non-allies, China and Russia were signatories to the deal! If by "allies" we're saying Israel, well, that's a whole different set of "allies" isn't it?
And then they can Nationalize them (again).
I hope they do if the USA tries stealing the oilfields AGAIN.
This is brilliant stuff. Obama is such a darling of the oil services industry. Is Cheney still VP?
$185 billion is chump change, and the U.S. isn't getting that anyway.
Do the people who write this garbage have paying jobs?
German and French company CEOs are already in Tehran making deals. Not oil companies but companies like Bosch,AEG, Stihl, Miele etc.
Iranians use washing machines, power tools etc etc also.
Everything in my home is German or Korean. NOT one USA product because they don't make anything but weapons and burgers anymore.
Surely you've got some GMO somewhere whether you know it or not.
Hellfire burgers.
You may be onto something.
Grilled up every day here in Texas. Jalapeno toppings for regular hellfire and habanero toppings for nuclear hellfire.
The habanero's are a wee bit too much for me....
Grimaldus
Don't you mean 5 guys +1 burgers?
I'd give you a down vote but you like it.
Well, at least you enjoy fucking with us. I'm glad we could serve some purpose, now I don't feel completely useless and inferior.
How much does China already have invested in Iran?
A bunch. have seen videos of huge trade fairs and auto shows in Tehran in the past 5 years. USA businesses can't compete because the only thing they know is bullying and making war.
Sanctions are bad for business.
US playing catch-up, not ketchup.
Speaking of ketchup, how's the leg John?
Ketchup is now available at the Buffet table.
When a horse breaks a leg, it gets shot. Now the opposite is true as well.
Yeah, we suck, you're gonna make me cry!
There are two types of truck on Iranian highways - 1950's style US trucks and nice new Chinese trucks. Buses? Old Mercedes and nice new Volvos.
The US really has shot itself in the foot regarding US business deals in Iran.
You got a problem with that?
I lived in Iran awhile back. Imo, best place in entire Near East except maybe Lebanon. Only Iran far richer, culturally and every
other way except maybe cuisine.
If I understand the logic of this hack, Iran just "pulled one over everybody's eyes". Their evil plan is to integrate their economy with the US in order to give themselves the money and time to fulfill their obsession with nuking Israel. Have I got it right? Or is it simply accusing them of behaving like evil capitalists when they should be nationalizing their oil industry?
What the hell exactly is the problem?
The problem is the lunatic psychopathic ZioNazis of USA/Israel.
Nothing wrong at all. The Twelvers are perfectly sane. Boy Scouts is what they are, truth be told.
I don't know who the insane Twelvers are. Is it a comic book? I'll go along with this claim of insanity if their ultimate goal is to have their country nuked by Israel, France, the UK and the US. But bear in mind that they're surrounded by nearly 30 US military bases and their neighbours are, or recently have been being bombed and destroyed from within by the US, the UK, France and Israel. This could be a contributing factor to defensive posturing and their covert support for Syria, Lebanon and maybe Yemen.
hey asshole - Israel is acountry full of people who think God chose the jews and gav ethem the land - twice - but both times it required killing a bunch of people already there.
They also think a jewish messiah will come and israel will rule the world
and they have nukes, unlike iran
go to youtube and search "netanyahu messiah"
Then, go suck a bag of dicks, stupid.
I must say, what an indelicate vituperative.
How do you say "American frackers are dead, and several hundred thousand jobs will die." already identified 50 oil and gas projects it will offer for bids - with the government pegging the value of these properties at $185 billion...
It was not long ago that media was abuzz with the fracking miracle, energy independence, USA the new Saudi Arabia etc. etc. What everyone failed to realize is all energy is not the same. Some is low cost to produce and transport, others are high cost, out at the margines of profitability. We know where Fracking stood on that scale. Not to mention Canadian Tar Mines, coming in at the top of production costs. Harper bet Canada's future on a total Tar Sands development policy. That investment is looking questionable. And I for one can find few if any new media coverage of North Dakota. Though they still produce in a deperate bid to keep meeting debt repayments. Their hedges are the only thing keeping companies alive at present.
I don't buy it. No U.S. Companies would be getting those deals anyways.
US companies are always a day late and dollar short. How many US companies make , washers, dryers, dishwashers, powertools, lawnmowers, TV's. cellphones. etc etc etc.
Imo its more likely the deal was made by the Obama administration to spite Bibis Israel and U.S. interests than to help in any way U.S. trade and commerce. Obama doesn't think in terms of U.S. trade and commerce to begin with and never has. To think this leads to instant peace in the region is pure fantasy.
Because fucktards like you demonize Iranians but you love sucking the cock of the Saudis who did 911 .
USA is NEVER to be trusted. Iran is making a mistake here. Drop the deal and join the BRICS and forget about the warmongers of the West.
OK. Obola bends over for Big Oil and gets his kicks by stuffing the US workforce that will go to Iran full of CIA spies.
You are assuming the Iranians will reward a half century of US treachery by letting US corporations have access to those resources. I think Iran will be looking eastward for that help, and selling their oil in Yuan.
Eastward and Wester Europe. Gemany and French companies who make shitloads of things the USA does not make.
Iran Air has been flying into Amsterdam for years. The only country they didn't fly to was the USA.
Bet you didn't know that.
No one in America misses them Dutch. I still remember 1979. I will never forget the way our embassy people were treated.
They deserved it, in fact they should have been shot for supporting the murderous dictator the Shah.
They deserved it, in fact they should have been shot for supporting the murderous dictator the Shah.
Evidently you don't know what the goddam USA did to Iran in 1953.
You can fuck off now.
Don't think for one second you intimidate me ... Now go back to talking crass to everyone you disagree with on a web site as an anonymous Dutch boy.
Ignorant ZioNazi fucktards like you are dime a dozen in the USA.
Those embassy goons should have all been executed.
If you don't like it TOUGH.
You guys suck the dick of Saudis who had people that did 911 . Saudis were women can't drive , have to wear full Burkha. and behead people daily. YOUR BUDDIES
and then you talk about some fucking embassy spooks that deserved to die.
Hiding the worst of the worst SAVAK agents in the compound was'nt very bright.
They were lucky to get out alive.
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The Iranians don't forget the the US deliberately shot down a Iranian civil airliner klling all people on board.
You may be right. On the other hand, who knows if there's a secret deal whereby US Corps get some or all of the business?
"Billions of dollars for the firms that lobbyists represent can be one hell of a motivation to do a deal with the devil it seems..."
so evidently Iran has lobbyists also.
It's a lot like the sudden warm and cuddly friendship the US has for Cuba ... just a short while after the Cubans discovered huge oil deposits in their territorial waters.
Exactly. People have been buying into the oil is ever plentiful meme as of late and they're wrong. We are not fighting all over and soon to be fighting over the portions of the world that hold the last of great oil reserves due to coincidence.
Who is the devil here again? The US or the Iranians, or the Israeli govt??? I can't keep track any more.
all governments.
the "superstructure" of governments.
regular people - american, iranian, israeli... for the most part just want to live in peace, to be able to work for a decent wage, to enjoy family and the arts, and so forth.
It is a constant struggle to remind ourselves that "Israel" or "Iran " - constructs.
What matters are the people.
Sadly, if we guess than 10% of people are cunts, the tendency is to end up siding with your own groups' cunts.
My brother is a stupid cunt - but if someone else says that, I'm gonna be ticked and all of a sudden defend the stupid cunt.
Which is why we can't have nice things, and the best result of all would be an American/British/Israeli Spring.
Business > War, but when businesses take over the govt then Business = War
Geopolitically, the US changes horses; having destroyed the Sunni side rise to secularism, by using them as their political bitches in Afghanistan's great game against Soviet Union, having made Talibanism respectable, having then junked it like a used shoe, having then spat on it three times : 1991,2001, 2003, the US is tired of shooting at its dead copped out hobby horse, now strategically perceived as a dying corpse of past ideology.
Let the Saudi handle their own ISIS zombies; we leave Sunni Wichita and we head for Shia Dodge; and we'll send our Texas longhorns to this new location.
Ride on Chisholm. Rawhide ! Get those wagons a rolling for Tehran !
The only question is will Saud now say to USA : We'll bury you in return with our oil flow until your economy sinks; aka does Saud now play at Nikita Krouchtchev? (Along with Putin, who will go laughing to the bank if he can get his oil revenues out of dollar zone)
I just heard that one of Kerry's daughters (or nieces?) is marrying some Iranian prince or something? Anyone know any more information about that? (serious)
Iran is not the devil as this article states. Consumers of shtty propaganda and mistranslations believe that, but the Persians are good people and thus deal is good for America despite the crap our control freak overlords in israel sell us.
Its pretty disgusting to watch the retarded fucking people in Congress screaming. Most don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
And of course most Americans are just ignorant believing the crap they are fed on FOXCNNABCCBSNBC about Iran.
One word - rubbish!
Two words for you .............brainwashed retard
HILARIOUS
MORE BULLSHIT FROM FORREST
CANT SEE THE TREES, HUH? LOL
OBAMA IS GOING TO DO IRAN DEAL FOR $185B?
LOL LOL LOL
NO CONCESSIONS?
98% REDUCTION NUKE READY MATERIAL?
REALLY? SERIOUSLY?
Well since ALL the Uranium isotope refinerys have blown up, and no isotope refinerys will be able to operate in the foreseeable future, the Nuclear age is over...why are they blowing up you ask??? Giant p239 ++ ion plasma cloud (Fuku) in upper atmosphere systematically destroying all isotope refinerys.
SAVE THE CAPS FOR YOUR FESTERING TEETH, LATRINE BREATH.
Chamberlain too thought he was onto something good when he made nice with Hitler.
The sentiments punted by the Obama & Kerry Show are just too similar and Churchill would have crticised them with the same prescience.
When Obama shut the window on war he opened the door to it.
Pure lunacy
Iran hasn't invaded or attacked anyone in 250 years and have not threatened anyone except the ZioNazis that are stealing land and commiting genocide
I support Hezbollah and Hamas against the thieves of Israel.
BTW, many Christians are Palestinians and are getting butchered by Jews
You truly don't know fuckall about history. Just regurgitate the lies fed you .
You truly don't know fuckall about history. Just regurgitate the lies fed you .
Dude, sort out the dupes.
Hitler here is Netanyahu, you vapid twat.
Who has the nukes
? who bombs children lying in hospital beds?
who lied for 20 years about Iran being months away from a nuke while building hundreds of his own.
fuck you.
fuck you and every hasbara cunt who unpacks the same tired old references as if Israel has not amassed a massive nuclear arsenal while periodically murdering women and children as they sleep while claiming "defense"
Israel's Latest Assault on Gaza: The Lie of Who Started It - Antiwar.com
http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/11/israels-latest-assault-on-gaza-the-li...
Who Started ‘the Cycle of Violence’ in Palestine?
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/07/08/who-started-the-cycle-of-v...
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Israel's Right-Wing Govt. Knew Abducted Teens Were Already Dead As It Whipped Up Racist Frenzy
http://www.alternet.org/world/netanyahu-government-knew-teens-were-dead-...
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http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israeli-officials-missing
http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the-teen...
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Is there anything wrong with Jews debating with the Jewish-American Secretary of the Treasury about the merits of a treaty between the U.S. and Iran? Perhaps not, but it’s difficult to suppose that all those intense emotions have anything to do with the interests of the United States. Certainly such displays might cause some to wonder a bit about the age-old loyalty issue; probably best to avoid that one.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/06/the-nytimes-will-only-so-so...
First off all the Israeli static on this matter is fake.
Israel WANTS the Iranian deal.
All these econ deals increases access to Iran, which relativizes the theocracy's econ monopoly and puts money into the pockets of the younger generation.
All of this also allows more Stuxnet attacks and better undermining of the Iranian nuke program.
Sure its hurt Russia too, but it also make energy even cheaper for China.
Militarily all they want is for the Persian to cross some Sunni trip-wire on ISIS, Jordan, Israel and the Saudis.
They have to get Egypt firmed allied against Persia.
Money makes the world go 'round.
what nuke program?
their civilian nuclear research program?
there's zero evidence Iran is or has been working on a nuke. none.
the nuclear issue is a ruse.
You may be on to something, I think there is an absolute panic in the nuke industry, problems, BIG problems!!!
And here are evidence about how Russian army is falling apart under putin regime:
putin regime is corrupt till it’s core and from all sides, but it is only way for criminal putin regime to stay at power. In result whole system is corrupt and not healthy at all. Let’s look ar putin regime army – in what shape it is. Here are some articles that should help you understand and draw conclusion about putin regime army:
1.) Bombers, fighters, strike jets, fighter-bombers drops from the sky like flies. Just in 7 weeks putin regime had 7 crashes – and that is not during a war time, but during training.
“Since early June the air force has lost two Tu-95 “Bear” strategic bombers, two MiG-29 fighters, an older Su-24 strike jet, a newer Su-34 fighter-bomber, and most recently an Antonov An-12 military transport.”
2.) Missiles go wild during a Navy Day parade at occupied and illegally annexed Crimea, Sevastopol, putting in real life threat danger civilians who were watching parade
“..in the country on Sunday to celebrate Navy Day and the might of the Russian forces. Yet one rogue missile ruined the display: launched by the Russian frigate Ladny, the missile can be seen wildly spinning round and round before plummeting into the sea.”
https://youtu.be/q6m0hfkaGFg
3.) During a Victory parade rehearsal broke down so called “super tank” of putin regime that was supposed to threat NATO and it’s allies. In result – full embracement for putin regime:
“A new Russian tank touted by military analysts as a fearsome, ultra-advanced machine broke down during Victory Day parade rehearsals in Moscow on Thursday, leaving puzzled engineers red-faced.
According to Russian newspaper Moskovskiy Komsomolets, the tank came to a full halt and appeared to be experiencing difficulties even though the engine was still running. Other tanks trundled past as army officers approached the crew of the T-14 to discuss the situation. A military towing vehicle was dispatched to salvage the tank, but was unable to pull it away. ”
https://youtu.be/A-tghr4OTZg
4.) just when russian soldiers think they are safe because are not in one of those “super thanks” or fighter jets that drop from the sky or in one of those frigates which missiles goes wild, they got attacked at sleep… by a building where they are.
“Twenty-three Russian soldiers were crushed to death by rubble after their military barracks collapsed in Siberia, the Russian defence ministry said on Monday.
All four floors collapsed in one section of the building in the Siberian city of Omsk on Sunday evening as 42 Russian paratroopers were resting.
"All 42 soldiers who were under the rubble have been found. Twenty-three of them are dead," said defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov.”
5.) Russians who are not brainwashed by putin regime massive propaganda are not willing to fight for putin criminal plans and are leave unit fearing Ukraine deployment.
“Dozens of professional Russian soldiers are facing trial after abandoning a training base, according to media reports. The soldiers were allegedly pressured to "volunteer" for fighting in Ukraine. The troops were reportedly offered money and benefits from people in uniforms without insignia. The people then tried to motivate them to join the war in Ukraine, according to an article published Saturday on well-known news site Gazeta.ru.”
6.) Of course soldiers will more and more leave criminal putin regime, especially seeing how they are treated by putin regime when their captured by Ukraine army.
No honor from putin regime – no honor at all. No respect.
“Russia's Defense Ministry has formally disowned two soldiers captured in eastern Ukraine, saying the men had resigned from the army before crossing the border and their mission had "no connection" with Moscow's armed forces.
Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, head of the Russian think tank Academy of Geopolitical Problems, said that if the men were on active duty, Moscow should have done a better job standing behind them, Gazeta.ru reported.
"When we disown our soldiers, if they were indeed ours, that's not good," Ivashov was quoted as saying.
Instead, he suggested, the Defense Ministry "should have said that we are conducting intelligence operations, because there is a civil war going on and military action continues near Russia's borders," Gazeta.ru reported.”
7.) Again and again Russian soldiers “get lost” in Ukraine full of ammo and weapons:
“Ukrainian border guards detained a soldier suspected of being a Russian army officer who was picked up while riding in a military truck packed with ammunition at the Berezove checkpoint, about 28 miles southwest of the militant-held city of Donetsk.
Guards found nearly 200 cases containing grenades and ammunition, including rocket-propelled shells, inside the military truck.
"He (the Russian officer) had no documents. But he admitted that he was a chief of an RAO (rocket-artillery weapons unit). He is responsible for ammunition supply. He said that while delivering the ammunition they had got lost," Oleksandr Tomchyshyn, a border-guards spokesman said. Another man who was detained identified himself as a pro-Russian separatist fighter.”
“Ten Russian soldiers captured in eastern Ukraine crossed the border "by accident", Russian military sources are quoted as saying.
A Russian defence ministry source was quoted by the Russian news agency RIA Novosti as saying: "The soldiers really did participate in a patrol of a section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, crossed it by accident on an unmarked section, and as far as we understand showed no resistance to the armed forces of Ukraine when they were detained."”
So as you can see putin regime has no honor to Russians soldiers and because of huge corruption at all levels it’s army is falling apart.
Here is a bonus track for that – enjoy:
https://youtu.be/FxtURBpl1rA
read more at: https://stopputinregime.wordpress.com/
Fuck off, CIA-paid troll.
He hopes no one will notice the mishap on USS Sullivan. An SM-2 missile exploded on launch setting the deck ablaze.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMnWEONg318
Newsoutlet = Son of a CIA whore
Oh, shut up! You're making everyone here nauseous.
http://sputniknews.com/us/20150724/1024993587.html#ixzz3h7K0YFiw
http://sputniknews.com/us/20150725/1025049700.html#ixzz3h7L6EWv0
testing a missile and crashing fighter, bomber every week is different story - but not for putin trolls
toiletpaper for brains.
Show the commentators here the links that prove a Russian fighter bomber crashed
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US Military Jet Crashes in Arizona: Officials
World News | Agence France-Presse | Thursday June 25, 2015
A US military plane crashed late on Wednesday in Arizona, reportedly rupturing a gas line and sparking a large fire, officials said
F-16 jet, Cessna plane collide over South Carolina; 2 deadBy Greg Botelho, Shawn Nottingham and Lauriel Cleveland, CNN
Updated 7:38 PM ET, Tue July 7, 2015
20 January 2015 – An UH-60A Black Hawk, 81-23560, c/n 70–281, assigned to 1–140 Avn. Co.,[176]California Army National Guard, out of Los Alamitos Army Airfield, California, suffers a hard landing atRamona Airport, California, at ~1800 hrs. ending up on its starboard side. The crew received minor injuries and were treated at the scene then transported to hospital for further examination. "A statement issued by the National Guard said the helicopter sustained significant damage, but did not say why the pilot had to make the forced landing."[177][178] A team from the NTSB arrived on the morning of 21 January.[179] Airframe was removed by 1530 hrs. on 22 January and taken on a flatbed trailer to Joint Training Base Los Alamitos. Ramona Airport reopened to traffic at 1700 hrs.[180]
10 March 2015 – Seven Marines and four soldiers were missing early Wednesday, 11 March, after an Army Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter crashed during a night training exercise at Eglin Air Force Base. Base officials said the Marines are part of a Camp Lejeune-based special operations group and the soldiers were from a Hammond, Louisiana-based National Guard unit. The helicopter was reported missing around 2030 hrs, and went down near Range A-17, in the Santa Rosa Sound, east of the Navarre Beach Bridge[192] Tuesday and search and rescue crews found debris from the crash around 0200 Wednesday, Eglin spokesman Andy Bourland said. "At this time all are missing," Bourland said. Names of those involved were being withheld pending notification of next of kin, he said. Bourland said the Army helicopter took off from a nearby airport in Destin and joined other aircraft in the training exercise.[193] Bourland said that the second UH-60 on the training mission was not involved in the crash and all of its crew were accounted for.[194][195] The aircraft are assigned to the 1–244th Assault Helicopter Battalion in Hammond, Louisiana.[192] The aircraft apparently struck the surface of Santa Rosa Sound,in Navarre, as wreckage and human remains have been recovered from both shores of the waterway. Heavy fog slowed recovery operations.[196][197] An investigation conducted by the Louisiana National Guard and the U.S. Special Operations Command found that the crash was caused when the two pilots became disoriented and lost control while switching from visual-based to instrument-based flight procedures in a thick fog, it was announced on 4 June 2015.[198]
12 May 2015 – A U.S. Marine Corps Bell UH-1Y "Venom" Huey, BuNo 168792, 'SE-08',[205] of Camp Pendleton-based HMLA-496 "Vengeance" was declared missing in the Charikot Region of the Himalaya Mountains while conducting humanitarian relief operations in the wake of the Magnitude 7.8 earthquake that struck the region earlier. The following is a statement from PACOM: "On May 12, at approximately 10 p.m. JST, a UH-1Y Huey with Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron 469 in support of Joint Task Force 505 was declared missing while supporting Operation Sahayogi Haat." The Nepalese Army discovered the crash site on Friday, May 15. All eight servicemembers aboard are deceased. The six U.S. Marines are: Capt Dustin R. Lukasiewicz, Capt Christopher L. Norgen, Sgt Ward M. Johnson IV, Sgt Eric M. Seaman, Cpl Sara A. Medina and LCpl Jacob A. Hug. The two Nepalese soilders are: Tapendra Rawal and Basanta Titara.[206][207][208]
17 May 2015 – One Marine was killed when MV-22B Osprey, BuNo 168020, c/n D0150, of VMM-161, 'YR-01',[205] from the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit experienced a hard-landing mishap, burned, while conducting training aboard Marine Corps Training Area – Bellows at ~1140 hrs., Hawaii time. Twenty-one Marines and a U.S. Navy corpsman were aboard at the time, and all other 21 have been transported to local hospitals for assessment and treatment. The Marines were conducting routine sustainment training at the time. The 15th MEU departed San Diego 10 May on a seven-month deployment to the Pacific Command and Central Command areas of operation. The cause of the incident is under investigation.[209] Military officials confirmed the death of a second Marine, in hospital on 19 May. "Family members and sources close to the victim identified him as Matt Determan and said he died Tuesday from injuries sustained during the crash, which also killed 24-year-old Lance Corporal Joshua Barron and injured 20 others. At least two of the Marines who were injured in the crash remained hospitalized in stable condition on Tuesday, according to a Marine Corps. spokesperson."[210]
22 May 2015 – A U.S. Navy aviator ejects from a T-45C Goshawk, 'A', of VT-9, based at NAS Meridian, Mississippi, when he overruns runway 29 at Halsey Field, NAS North Island, California, at ~1400 hrs. PDT with both pilot and airframe ending up in San Diego Bay. Civilian boaters rescue the pilot who is conveyed to UC San Diego Medical Center for examination. He was treated and released. The airframe, which came to rest upright partially submerged in shallow water was retrieved by a crane as night fell.[211] The pilot, who was not named, was conducting a routine training mission to prepare for aircraft carrier landing qualifications, according to the Navy.[212]
Hard landing, missing soldier etc in half of year is not loosing 7 military planes in 7 weeks
Troll harder :D
LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK LINK
I take it you know what a link is. Reply with the links that a Russian fighter bomber crashed
EVERY WEEK.
If you can't, you are what we all think you are:
FUCK
YOU
expressing any opinion is fine, and I'd never censor or want to censor anyone...
but this guy does nothing but troll on the same topic regardless of the article.
why hasn't he been banned - again - for repeated off topic trolling, not content? This shit is absurd.