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Majority Of Americans Now See Guns As The Solution To Mass Shootings

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Obama failed: in the aftermath of the 2012 Newtown, CT school massacre which left 26 unarmed, defenseless people dead, the president pushed as hard as he could to pass legislation that would enact strict gun control and further limit the applicability of the Second Amendment. Not only did he not succeed, but according to a 2014 Pew Research Poll there has been a 9% rise in the number of Americans who think gun ownership could "protect people from becoming victims of crime."

 

Incidentally, this conforms with what former Texas governor Rick Perry, and a 2016 GOP presidential candidate, said after last week's deadly shooting at a Lafayette, La., movie theater when he claimed that Americans should be allowed to bring guns into movie theaters - and everywhere else - to prevent such crime.

It is also a recapitulation of what NRA head Wayne LaPierre has said in the past: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

According to Pew, the recent shift was driven by republicans who have become even more convinced their outlook is correct: in the two years since the Newtown attack,  rose from 63 percent to 80 percent.

The poll also marked the first time in two decades of Pew surveys that more Americans supported gun rights rather than gun control (though public opinion had been shifting that way for years).

 

Incidentally, WaPo which caught these revelations first, despite its anti-gun bias was largely accurate in its conclusion: the findings "likely won't move the needle on gun debate. Both sides can -- and are -- using these two most recent incidents to argue their points: Gun-control supporters say they prove that the background check system needs to be revamped and expanded, while gun-rights supporters say a slip in the system does not a trend make.

It's even clearer that gun laws likely won't change when you zoom out to Americans' overall feelings on guns; with every mass shooting, in fact, we seem to be embracing the idea of more guns rather than fewer.

Which means that the biggest loser is none other than the president, for whom his way of gun-control was one of the key targets, so to say, of his tenure.

It also means that current and future mass shootings will do nothing to change public opinion but merely further solidify beliefs. And while politicians debate who is right or wrong, and for what reason, many more innocent Americans will be, for whatever the reason may be, innocent casualties of what has become a very lethal political war.

 

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Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:09 | 6360740 Herodotus
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How many mass shootings of regular townspeople were there in Virginia City, Dodge City, or Tombstone?

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:09 | 6360742 Looney
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<<< Carry a gun (legally)

<<< Wait for the cops to arrive in 6 minutes and save you ;-)

Looney

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:10 | 6360745 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Do the anti-gun nutjobs want to ban CNC machines and 3D printers too?

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:12 | 6360754 kaiserhoff
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Gun Control = Hitting What You Shoot At

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:20 | 6360783 0b1knob
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Yeh sure whatever.  The laws on the books now should have prevented a person with the shooter's mental history from buying weapons.   So the laws on the books do nothing with criminals who literally do not care if they live or die.   But more laws will make everything better.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:22 | 6360794 kliguy38
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Majority Of Americans Now See Guns As The Solution To Mass Shootings

 

Ya THINK!!!.......DUH....don't worry Brian Williams was able to stop two mass shootings last year all by himself

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:27 | 6360810 wee-weed up
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Obozo is the posterboy for unintended consequences.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:48 | 6360888 SWRichmond
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Fallout from Fast and Furious surely falls into the category of "unintended consequences"

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:14 | 6360967 Amish FinEng
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The Amish need no weapons. Think about that for a minute.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:23 | 6360984 NoDebt
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I did think about it for a minute.  Which was just long enough to recall the mass shooting of 10 Amish elementary age children at their school in 2006 and pull it up in a Google search:

http://lancasterpa.com/amish/amish-school-shooting/

If you don't want to own a gun that's your business.  But if I want to own one that's MY business.

Gun free zones are probably the stupidest idea since "sanctuary cities".

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:35 | 6361036 nmewn
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Whats the old line..."Better to have a gun and never use it, than to need it and not have it."

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:42 | 6361049 Keyser
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"Obama failed"

I really didn't need to read any further... 

Then the article references the Newtown, CT shootings... Hmm, considering the FBI does not list the 26 deaths in Newtown in their official murder statistics, it didn't happen... Just more bullshit... 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:00 | 6361146 nmewn
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Thats cuz it happened in a "Gun Free Zone"...so obviously it never happened.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:09 | 6361176 cdevidal
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The Clinton administration found that the use of guns saves more lives than they cost. Many more lives. Estimates range anywhere from 3 to 50 times more lives are saved than lost with guns.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476.txt

(I think I just heard some liberals' heads explode.)

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:58 | 6361401 nmewn
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Yes, from all types of predators (human & animal). Many times the predator (in this case, human) even knowing or seeing a gun with the intended victim is enough.

And if we're using Common Core math (lol) it counts as two lives saved because the predator or the intended victim didn't get killed. That doesn't happen much around here in the sticks as intent is enough to shoot them grave yard dead but when I lived in the city pistol whipping the fuck out of some punk is still two lives saved.

Apologies to all city "folk" in the Burg if he didn't learn a life lesson right then and found you unarmed.

Clean up your own mess ;-)

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 00:36 | 6361797 pretty bird
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The 2nd Ammendment rocks.  I believe that we should all have bazookas.  Who needs cops?  We could save a fortune.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 06:52 | 6362130 Refuse-Resist
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I'd rather have something that could take out any of the following:

  • Bradley APC
  • BMP/BRDM APC
  • Bearcat
  • M117
  • MRAP
  • Apache/BlackHawk/Chinook/all Rus rotary wing mil aircraft.

That would be a 2nd Amendment the founders would be proud of. The intent was for the people of the USA to bear teh same arms as the military that might be used to oppress them.

Just because liberals cannot control their actions and base their lives on emotion and not logic, doesn't mean that all humans are handicapped in this way. My favorite anti-gun liberal said :"No one needs to have a gun.  If I had a gun I'd be shooting people in traffic".

As she got redder and redder I said "If you had a gun right now, would you shoot me for disagreeing with you?". She said "I might and that's why then need to be illegal".  I said "well there's a pistol in my pocket right now, why don't you go ahead and try it and see what happens to people who cannot control their impulses and emotions ?".

She shut the fuck up and we haven't spoken since. Good riddance.

Better that person doesn't have a gun.  It is a child emotionally and cannot act rationally, ever.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 07:42 | 6362224 Tall Tom
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You can build Rockets. They are not illegal to own or possess. Of course you can build Warheads and make the rockets guided. Now that is a violation...but...it can be done.

 

The trick to owning explosives is that you have the materials necessary and also have a legitimate reason for having the materials.

 

Do not assemble until needed.

 

In this way they cannot successfully prosecute you as pretty much anything that you have under your sink, currently, can be used to make an explosive device.

 

Again the material can be diverted from the original intent and purposes WHEN the time happens.

 

You can own a Flamethrower in most states without regulation.

 

These devices can remove a myriad of Government Troops and armor when the time happens.

 

Most likely you will be gunned down during your attacks if you so choose to attack.

 

Remember Chris Dorner. They burned that mother fucker up alive. They did that to their own. They will not hesitate to do that to you, or, your children.

 

Remember the children of Waco at the Branch Davidian Compound? Government forces lit them ablaze. It was NOT THE PEOPLE OCCUPYING THE COMPOUND as the Government will have you believe, spinning their web of chronic lies.

 

They are bastards. Perhaps they need to have their own children set afire and hear them scream in misery and agony before the children succumb. Perhaps they will get it at that point?

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 07:46 | 6362239 overmedicatedun...
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tom you are silly boy..just hire isis like the us.gov, they already have the equipment, funny how they only attack ave folks never those hated elite in the west, very funny i say.

Wed, 07/29/2015 - 02:14 | 6365977 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"according to a 2014 Pew Research Poll there has been a 9% rise in the number of Americans who think gun ownership could "protect people from becoming victims of crime.""~

Because when seconds matter, the cops are just minutes away.

So this coming weekend I will be in Las Vegas getting, (among other things), my CCW permit from the State of Nevada. Why Nevada? Because a) it's ten times cheaper and easier, ($197 for 5 years vs. $250 for 2 years), than in my home state of California, (where depending on which county you live in it is virtually impossible to get the sheriff to issue you one) and b) now that ALL states have to accept marriage licenses from anywhere, California is now forced to recognize the validity of my Nevada CCW license. Reciprocity is a bitch, Golden State.

So why would anyone want to carry a concealed weapon in California? Because of shit like this:

L.A. Gangs’ Hashtag Bet: Kill 100 People in 100 Days

And dem bruddahs' don't always keep their turf wars in their 'hoods, yo!

Welcome to the jungle.

 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 22:52 | 6361561 A Nanny Moose
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Is that Kafka-esque?

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:05 | 6361168 Fukushima Fricassee
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I seem to recall a mass shooting at an amish village school house a few years back. What say ye, dumb shit?

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:16 | 6361211 Government need...
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Kelly McGillis sure had a pair of big guns in 'Witness'

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:33 | 6361288 CoolBeans
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WRONG!

Most Amish own guns. Sometimes many guns.

Low to no crime.  I wonder why.

Think about THAT for a minute.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:22 | 6360987 Divine Wind
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America's mass shootings are not caused by guns. That is as stupid as saying spelling errors are caused by pencils.

America's mass shootings are the result of a society damaged by liberalism.

Promotion of a culture of violence (coon-assed RAP music, overly violent shoot-em-up video games, etc...);

The destruction of the family unit (thus removing the influence of FATHERS in approximately HALF of all homes);

The decreasing willingness for society to shame wrongdoers;

The decline of personal responsibility;

And on and on.

The totality results in a decrease in a sanctity for life.

 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:04 | 6361163 Sam.Spade
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'Coon-ass' is a term for Cajun, who is a white person of French extraction who usually doesn't listen to Rap music.  I don't understand how that has anything to do with your post.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:12 | 6361193 Arnold
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South of I-10

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:32 | 6361285 OldPhart
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Predominantly white person...there's coon ass in the linage.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 22:13 | 6361458 Dave's not here
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You obviously havent been to Cocodrie latley.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 22:56 | 6361576 A Nanny Moose
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"You haven't lived until you've been on a Coon Hunt....and after that, you don't want to" -Irwin M. Fletcher

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:15 | 6361209 Miffed Microbio...
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You forgot the wide spread use of psychoactive drugs being used today. Amazing how many of these shooting events are tied them but this is conveniently ignored? The few people I know who take them have exhibited some bizarre behavior. Certainly they are not the way I knew them, almost a zombie like quality to their personality as if the real person exited. I will never take that shit.

Miffed

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 02:51 | 6361220 dogbreath
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I down voted you just because I could.   haha

edit:   it might hit -50 yet

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 22:25 | 6361495 Socratic Dog
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Actually, Americas mass shootings, by and large, do not happen.  They are hollywood theatre.

When Operation Northwoods was being pushed, the generals made it clear to Kennedy that they didn't care whether the massacres were real or theatre, they were just after the results, the changes in public opinion.  There's your blueprint.  And those cunts still run the USSA, have ever since the 1963 coup detat.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 23:23 | 6361647 daveO
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^^THIS^^

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 03:50 | 6362000 Alvin Fernald
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The coup detat was the Constitutional Convention.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 07:24 | 6362187 Fun Facts
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Sandy Hook was a ZWO DHS hoax designed to manufacture the consent to disarm america.

Joe Lieberman's Sandy Hook Donations site certificate was issued before the event occured. The residents of Newton were paid off and bought houses.

Google Wolfgang Halbig for the details on the hoax.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 11:17 | 6362963 detached.amusement
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Dingdingding....and as usual, things get TOO JUICY and they have to invent additional details, like that AR-15 that never existed until a media person asked lt vance if the "long gun" in the trunk was an assault rifle! This, after our brave Lt  had already said the kid entered the school with just two handguns.

 

oh yes, unspecified long gun indeed, you traitor!!!

 

 the calls came in through the cel network, which went straight to the state police, who then blockaded the entry and prevented any unauthorized locals from coming near the place.

 

and yeah nobody does have a good answer for all those web sites being created the day before the incident, or all those houses which had their mortgage and tax info zereoed out in the newtown registrar in the 6 months before it happened.

 

concurrent training event - check

protocol completely abandoned - check

fabricating evidence in real time - check

 

that said, friends of friends did have a youngen "disappear" that day, yet curiously, not a single parent was allowed to see the body of their child...

 

 

Sorry folks, only the incurious are going to call this one a random crazed kid shooting up a school.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 00:23 | 6361765 Clashfan
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Why does no one ever mention the likelihood that MKULTRA/SRA could be behind those of these shootings that are not mere theater? Prescription drugs, moral decay play a part perhaps, but when someone commits an act like a mass shooting (if it actually happens), that person is likely under some kind of mind control manipulation, and likely aided by some kind of team members or handlers who stay off the official story in the end.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 06:16 | 6362081 Bendromeda Strain
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Or a little atrocity theater at an OKC federal building? With a widely seen handler who suddenly "never existed"? Nah - yer nutzo...

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 11:26 | 6363005 detached.amusement
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"You think that's air you're breathing?  Hm!"

-Morpheus

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:49 | 6360891 Waylon Bits
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Virtualized netizens have no need for protection from guns as bullets pass right through them.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:56 | 6360914 Stormtrooper
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Obama does'nt need to worry about guns.  The hangmans noose is the normal sentence for those who have committed high treason.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 06:55 | 6362134 Refuse-Resist
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While I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment, I must point out that only US Citizens can be guilty of Treason, and at this point, we lack sufficient documentatoin to prove, in a court of law, that Mr Obama is a US Citizen.

I remain skeptical based on his actions, his sealed records, and by the creation of the term 'birther' to discredit people seeking truth, not unlike 'truther'.

We're gonna need a lot of hemp rope. HEMP FOR VICTORY FUCK YEAH!

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 23:20 | 6361642 daveO
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Newtown attack=Sandy Hoax. This is exactly why there is a second amendment.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:38 | 6360846 Bay Area Guy
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ob1knob.  I agree 100%.  The majority of the laws on the books today are the result of not enforcing the original laws that were put into place on a variety of subjects.  There's no reason that this whack job in Louisiana or the whack job in Colorado or the whack job in South Carolina should have gotten a weapon.  They were all previously diagnosed with mental disorders that should have disqualified them from gun ownership.  Someone fell down on the job ensuring they didn't get a gun.

I'm sure more gun laws are going to cause gang bangers to stop using guns in the commission of their crimes.  I'm sure a ban on high capacity magazines will do the same.  The problem isn't guns, per se, the problem is that the government has allowed guns to get into the hands of the wrong people.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:59 | 6360927 Row Well Number 41
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No,  the problem is you can't prevent guns from getting into the hands of the wrong people, so you better have your own plan.

#41

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:27 | 6360977 Arnold
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The problem is closing down mental health treatment facilities (yes State Schools) in the 70's.

Idiots, Morons and Retarded all became Democrats as a result.

Psychopaths, Manic/ Depressive, Psychotics, Megalomaniacs became politicians.

Homosexuals, and the alphabet soup are confused enough as it it is and I will leave it alone.

Those that were undiagnosed and/or unsuccessful often became criminals of some sort and incarcerated.

Noodling, but, the lack of Mental Heath Care is almost as big a scandal as the Veterans Administration lack of care to the Vets.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:33 | 6361030 Arnold
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You just KNOW that when the Shit Hits The Fan that Mental Health will be in short supply.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 22:59 | 6361584 A Nanny Moose
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um..Mental health is already in short supply. Please define "normal."

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 07:22 | 6362180 Tall Tom
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The shit has already hit the fan if you have not been paying attention.

 

They are just reloading a much larger hopper for the next wave of shit.

 

I can hardly wait for Audience Participation Night.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:24 | 6361245 CoolBeans
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Interestingly, Mr. Whackjob Louisiana theater shoot graduated from law school.  

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:36 | 6361305 MeBizarro
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No they didn't and guns laws vary considerably from state to state considerably in regards to mental illness. 

There are a number of states where having a mental illness or even have been committed to a mental institution/facility does not bar you from purchasing and owning a firearm.  That is the case in both TX and FL along with a bunch of other states. 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 22:17 | 6361467 MeBizarro
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Simple statement of fact gets downvoted on ZH.  Par for the course. 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 22:20 | 6361479 44_shooter
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Federal Law

Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:12 | 6360760 localsavage
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Well they don't give a shit about business either so, yes.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:13 | 6360766 Creepy A. Cracker
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All but Ruger (up 0.42%) and Smith & Wesson (up 0.19%) down today.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:25 | 6360801 Arnold
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My S&W was up today.

Only 30 rounds , though.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:14 | 6360769 Dr. Engali
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Shall not be infringed means I don't have to ask permission to carry a gun.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:24 | 6360791 Looney
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I’m with you, Doc, but...

I had to put “legally” in there ‘cause I don’t want to get fisted every time I face a lazy-ass TSA agent who barely speaks English... or Spanish ;-)

Looney

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:30 | 6360823 Meat Hammer
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Exactly, Doc!  2A doesn't give us our right...just states the obvious as a reminder to the government.

 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:46 | 6361088 Arnold
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Just a guess, You guys are not being vetted for SCOTUS?

Big tent here at ZH, you never know 'till you ask.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:44 | 6361078 Excursionist
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I'd support an amendment to the second amendment:  shall not be infringed unless mentally deficient.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:56 | 6361125 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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My right to possess a gun is not contingent on your assessment of my mental state. You can push for your amendment though. It matters not, since I will have a gun either way.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:04 | 6361144 Arnold
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That would ruin the key revolve of Forrest Gump

 

http://www.rense.com/general78/vett.htm

Lie

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 01:37 | 6361886 A Nanny Moose
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Slippery slope. Logically, this would prohibit government from having guns. Unfortunately government is (or would become) the final arbiter of mental health. Just ask granny and the millions of other Social Security recipients who are going to be added to 0'bamabot's gun ban. #WeDemocidedSomeFolks

Better to ban government.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:22 | 6360776 Row Well Number 41
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Wait for the cops to arrive in 6 minutes and save you pick up your corpse.

Repairs complete. 

#41

Hum, can't get strikethrough to work.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:44 | 6361077 AnonymousCitizen
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We are at best, a two hour drive for the sherrif. Even the liberals out here have guns.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:33 | 6360830 Hugh G Rection
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My sad tribute to Swinestein after her legislation failed two years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLrmRcMayeM

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:39 | 6360847 seek
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LOL @ 6 minutes. In my area (one of the wealthiest zip codes in my state, at that) the response time for a priorty one call averages 20 minutes.

Response time for priority 2 (burglarly in progress, etc.) is 45.

I'm pretty sure the firearm ownership rate on my street is probably north of 80%. We have almost zero crime.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:00 | 6361148 _SILENCER
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We just moved to a lake area.

I like to think most people there are armed. That's likely delusional as there are many entertainment industry wine and cheese liberals fluttering about. Once I know them a little better I'll see what way the wind blows.

I did see a couple of lookie-loos eyeball the movers as they moved my safe into the Justice Shed.

Yes, police don't give three fucks about you. You're certainly on your own if feral negroes decide it's Home Invasion Night. Of course, it'll be cleanup on Aisle One of that happens at Camp Silencer. Sounds like you guys have it covered, too.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:41 | 6361335 MeBizarro
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http://nypost.com/2014/01/05/odds-that-youll-be-killed-by-a-stranger-in-...

The odds you will be killed by a complete stranger have been below 10% and in my areas quite lower than that.  In Hollywood fantasy land or NRA fear mongering you are going to have to face 'feral negroes' but the reality is that the overwhelmingly odds if you are murdered it will be your family or a close acquaintance. 

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 01:43 | 6361896 A Nanny Moose
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Odds are, you will more likely be killed by a member of the Monopoly Criminal Gang (a.k.a. Government.)

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 07:01 | 6362142 Refuse-Resist
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Those odds vary greatly depending on the demographics of your home town.

Youtube and worldstarhiphop are full of videos of feral Negroes.
Pretend they don't exist at your own risk but please don't try to tell those of us who've experienced this first hand that it doens't exist.

It damages your credibility and makes us think you're some kind of progressive social justice warrior.

If that's you and you're ok with that, then fuck off.

If that's not you and I have mis interpereted your post then you have my sincerest apology.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 09:25 | 6362426 MeBizarro
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It is numbers based on actual facts and not your paranoid delusional ramblings.

I have no issue at all with gun ownership and even concealed carry. What I do is people who think their gun carrying rights should trump private property rights, that we shouldn't do back round checks on all sales, or that we should allow the sale of firearms to severely mentally ill people.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 23:05 | 6361601 Nobody For President
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With me its more like 25 minutes, on a good day, befgore a cop would show up.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:24 | 6360797 Meat Hammer
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It's been fun to watch liberalism flopping around, dying like a fish out of water these past 6-1/2 years.

Examples:

Chick fil-A: Libs schedule a boycott day and all of their stores are packed with lines around the corner.  New Chick fil-A locations popping up everywhere.

Gun control: Guns are flying off the shelf.  CCW permit applications through the roof.

LGBT: Yeah, the Supremes and Caitlyn Jenner make headlines, but read any comment section of an article or social media post about gay marriage and transgender issues and you'll see that most people are tired of being told what to think and are basically saying STFU.

 

There's still plenty of fight left in the libs, but more and more people are sticking their fingers in their ears and ignoring the left.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:07 | 6360953 Greater Fool Theory
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I was just thinking about this today.  Wondering how it is that Trump is doing so well in the polls.  I think it's related to your point Mr. Hammer.  Many folks are just sick of having the liberal agenda shoved down their throats.  They want someone who they think will really fight back.  Not a Trump apologist.  Just astonished by his popularity and enjoying the spectacle, that is when I'm not polishing my weapons.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:36 | 6361038 Deathrips
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All red blue controlled opposition presented options blind faithers are like fish out of water. They say things like. I dont even want to know...then tote the line 5 minutes later. Its fucking hillarious and sad at the same time.

 

Ive told who i care about and i hope they listened.

 

 

RIPS

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:38 | 6361320 OldPhart
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My 'Straight Pride' t-shirt came in, wore it Sunday, no one commented other than wife and DIL.

 

http://www.partycrashertshirts.com/image/cache/data/shirts/372/straight-pride-t-shirt-logo-366x366.jpg

 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:55 | 6361392 laboratorymike
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On the LGBT thing, what concerns me is that I knew a few people who were LGBTs in high school and college, who have since gone straight. For one guy the root cause was that his parents divorced and he went through an indentity crisis. One girl was molested by an older girl and was told she was a lesbian by said older girl. Yet another young woman was neglected by her parents (also divorced), so she did it for attention. So on and so forth.

As a libertarian I say that I will not put a gun to your head and force you to not be gay. That's your choice. However, I saw cases where not everyone who identifies as gay *right at this moment* is someone who rationally concluded that it was the lifestyle they wanted and would be happiest going forward that way. Many actually have some serious underlying issues and would not be gay if those issues were addressed, and I fear that these kinds of people are instead going to get caught in the LGBT lobby's meat grinder, pressured to stay in that lifestyle, and commit suicide over the unaddressed issues.

Indeed, not long ago I saw a paper in which scientists withdrew a paper on gay life expectancy, because the findings were politically incorrect. When the State has the right to dictate what is and is not reality, we're in dangerous territory. Then again, this is only one of many areas where the state dictates reality, like the economic dictates that Zerohedge covers daily.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 01:51 | 6361904 A Nanny Moose
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Reality just is. State or no State. The State arises from attempts to evade reality. Reality might be evaded however, the consequences of evading reality will not.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 07:04 | 6362145 Refuse-Resist
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Good post and you're right.

The bit of delicious irony that I appreciate is the fact that these willfully disarmed liberal people want to force those of us who are armed to do what they want.

I think their brainwashing has overcome their reality circuits.

Last time I checked it wsa the ones with the guns who make the rules. Even the progressive hero/role model Chairman Mao said "political power flows from the barrel of a gun".

So anti-gunners, come on and kick my front door in to make your world a little safer and see what happens to you.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:43 | 6360866 silver_stacker
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When they outlaw guns...only outlaws will have guns...

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:51 | 6360899 man of Wool
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And thats the way it should be!!

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:13 | 6361200 cdevidal
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Cops are murderous thugs.

Only cops should have guns.

~Liberals

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:15 | 6360970 Sanity Bear
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and those outlaws will have badges

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:59 | 6360923 X86BSD
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Anymore facts out of you and ill have to shoot you!

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:50 | 6361379 sgorem
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Guns don't kill. My .45 caliber hollow points sure as hell do though....jus sayin.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:10 | 6360744 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:10 | 6360747 SHEEPFUKKER
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Try to ban guns and people buy more guns. Damn barbarians!!

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:51 | 6360900 man of Wool
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Damn stupids!!

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:12 | 6360756 Dr. Engali
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All the trouble TPTB put into their false flags and it's working against them. At least the American people get something right.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:21 | 6360758 cowdiddly
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When all the cattle at the feed trough are longhorns there is hardly ever any fighting and pushing. polled Angus cattle? looks like WWE wrestle mania

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:26 | 6360809 Volkodav
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true

angus not favorite, dumb, many quite crazy and kick 

                     whereas old dual purpose euro breeds smart and easy   even first milking calm

 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:49 | 6360842 cowdiddly
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OT: yes, I always thought that Black Angus cattle acted just like a bunch of ------well Naggers

I like Hereford crossbreeds for myself.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:04 | 6360919 Volkodav
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Hereford old lines very docile   mothering good

I once met man of Lawton OK used closebreeding.

His Hereford much less fat. Overfat diminsihed Hereford popularity

Cannot remember his name now, he author small book tell his breeding ideas.

 

 

 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:34 | 6361010 Volkodav
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found it..(see other post)

Jim Lentz  Indiahoma OK closed herd 100 years  http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/linebreeding/

see second post there about Lentz linebreeding

otherwise you might enjoy movie BRAT 2, for about Russian arrive Chicago

independently deal with crime...also there is BRAT 1 movie still on youtube but 8 part

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:44 | 6361350 OldPhart
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When I was a kid you could walk through a herd of dairy cattle without concern.  They were docile, usually skittish and moved out of your path, and their backs were maybe five feet high.  Went to a dairy neat stepsisters in mid-central valley and these 'dairy cows' were about eight feet tall, had a bad attitude, and made it obvious that they'd love a chance to stomp a human.

I don't what GMO dairy shit has created, but it for damned sure ain't the old style dairy cow.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:14 | 6360763 Seek_Truth
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Ban SSRIs, not guns.

Watch mass shootings disappear.

http://www.cchrint.org/2014/04/24/ssri-antidepressants-the-gateway-drug-...

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:28 | 6360814 Ms No
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Good point but it wont stop the ones that are black ops.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:53 | 6361388 sgorem
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"Good point but it wont stop the ones that are black, oops."

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:48 | 6360886 Consuelo
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$$$$$B---I----G   $$$$$Pharma.   HUGE lobby.    The Congress is just as well $$$Greased from that lobby as are the MD's that prescribe them.    I think the ratio is something like 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 Americans are on these medications to one degree or another.    Probably one of ~THE MOST~ underreported stories of all time.     

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:13 | 6360767 Well Hungarian
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Nothing sweeter than the taste of liberal/progressive bastard tears! MMMMMMMMMMM

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:13 | 6360768 SgtShaftoe
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That's going to be a problem for their agenda. It's a little difficult to bring a population into line when they're heavily armed and preferably well trained.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 01:56 | 6361911 A Nanny Moose
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Seems to have worked well for Switzerland through 2 World Wars, and stashed Nazi gold.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:19 | 6360772 Shaznardickleze...
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Looks like Amero sheeple are metabolizing the False flag gun-grab programming quicker than UN would like to see.

full retard Agenda 21 is gonna be a bitch to implement.

 

Which was the entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment against a tyrannical force.

 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:25 | 6360805 Meat Hammer
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But, but...muskets and stuff!

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:44 | 6360871 Shaznardickleze...
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Ruger has a new precision rifle for $1400. Consistent 1000+ yard shots with practice using the 6.5 creedmoor caliber.

The UN blue helmets should be shitting themselves if they're thinking a peace keeping mission will go well if Chiefed Commander BingBong calls martial law. Which would probably happen when the FED eat's their depends and the Comex defaults...

They'll probably just false flag attack the Comex because they've utterly fucked the metals markets. Seems to be their method of operation. The twin tower's basement gold vaults were empty when all's said and done.

Follow that money bitchez.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:40 | 6361062 RobD
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"Chiefed Commander BingBong"

 

Heh, that's some funny shit right there.

 

 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:50 | 6360896 DaddyO
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Today's musket = AR-15

DaddyO

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:17 | 6360777 i_call_you_my_base
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I don't believe having a gun will help you much in a mass shooting scenario. They are all ambushes. Might give you a fighting chance, and you might be able to limit the damage, but it won't stop them. Doesn't mean I'm for gun control, just sayin'.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:27 | 6360813 Meat Hammer
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What if the perp has to wonder how many people are armed before he even goes in?  These people prey on the defenseless, not a room full of people who may be packing heat.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:29 | 6360819 i_call_you_my_base
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Many shoot themselves at the end, so I'm not sure they really care.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:33 | 6360831 Meat Hammer
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After they cause mayhem and death...so they can go out like martyrs.  If they have to worry about being stopped in their tracks they'll probably just stay home and masturbate in their own feces.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:39 | 6360851 i_call_you_my_base
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Eh, maybe, or they'll just look for weaker targets. If you step into a dark movie theater and unload you are going to take some people out whether everyone has a gun or not.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:42 | 6360864 Row Well Number 41
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This kind of shit never happens at gun shows, I wonder why?

#41

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:46 | 6360877 Meat Hammer
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Fair point...nothing will completely prevent these types of attacks and the element of surprise is always helpful.  But remember, the Louisiana shooter put the gun to his head when armed resistance arrived.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:46 | 6361087 Oldwood
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But every one of them is a fucking coward. Gun free zones is a good clue but suicide pretty much proves it.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:23 | 6361244 Arnold
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Yup

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:15 | 6361208 CoolBeans
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True, but you better make sure those sitting next to you get it first and they don't have easy access.  Those wary of theaters, malls, etc. are going to have their hand close to their weapon.  Better a few than 10, 20 or more.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:32 | 6361259 Arnold
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I am going to have issues no matter who shoots me.

I'm a puppy compared to my wife.

Anybody shooting back better be damned well trained enough and armed right to take the perp only.

Gangstas not welome.

You should stop your stupid self right now.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 02:10 | 6361923 A Nanny Moose
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Such irrational action reduces accuracy. It is one thing to hit a target. It is another thing to hit a target with lethal accuracy, when emotionally uncentered, while stepping into a dark/intermittently lit space.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:41 | 6360857 Row Well Number 41
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You mean your having a gun in that theater when well armed crazy shows up won't help you?  I beg to differ.

#41

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:43 | 6360868 i_call_you_my_base
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If you're in a movie theater and someone steps in and starts firing, you'll know the direction, but won't be able to see anything. Firing wildly into a frantic scene in the dark will just mean that you'll kill people too. I know everyone wants to think they're a super hero, but there are realities about the scene you have to acknowledge.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:51 | 6360884 Row Well Number 41
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So wait for the Cops

Human Shields

I'm guessing you're plan B.

#41

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:50 | 6360894 Meat Hammer
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I've heard that tired argument so many times.  You're assuming everyone is going to hold their gat gangsta style and start squeezing.  Get a laser sight on your gun, hold it with 2 hands, and aim at center mass.

But that's not even the point.  If a potential mass murderer has to worry about armed people instead of salivating over defenseless victims, your whole scenario will likely never happen.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:56 | 6360911 i_call_you_my_base
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I say in my comment that you might be able to limit the damage. I just don't think it'll stop anyone. Some people are just fucking crazy and mad at the world and want to take people out with them. Look at china, they do it with knives and axes.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:48 | 6361099 Oldwood
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Nothing can stop crazy except a prison cell, either for them or us. We know who the administration is rooting for. Special people have special rights.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:33 | 6361029 Ms No
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Laser sight can identify your position also, something to consider.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:59 | 6360928 DaddyO
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BS, have you ever fired a gun after dark, there is absolutely no way you cannot know where the shooter is, your comment shows lack of training and familiarity with armed self defense and firearms in general. Even the lowly .22 barks and flashes in a closed room such as a movie theater.

In my training classes you are forced to fire from you back, from your hip, from you armpit, under an automobile(try that and see how you respond) and a host of other challenging out of the box ways to defend yourself with your carry piece. I refuse to be a victim, hence my mindset is geared towards being the sheepdog and not the sheep.

You may want to seek out some defensive training to expand your readiness in the face of evil...

DaddyO

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:45 | 6361081 RobD
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So true, light off any handgun in the dark especially a short barreled revolver or simi and its balls o fire time.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:50 | 6361108 Oldwood
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Ported pistols are extra purdy at night.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:47 | 6361082 RobD
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Wow my first double post.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:09 | 6361181 CoolBeans
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I like your choice of avatars.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:21 | 6361233 RobD
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Yes and everytime I see one of your posts I say "wait a min, I did not post that" then I see "CoolBeans" heh.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 06:24 | 6362092 August
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>>>You may want to seek out some defensive training to expand your readiness...

Amen. 

Carrying a pistol with only minimal training may (or may not) be wise, but if you haven't had some training in shooting in low light, around obstacles, from the hip, from a crawling position etc. etc., you could find yourself very surprised one day... and not in a good way.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:07 | 6361174 CoolBeans
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It's called a laser sight.  They make 'em for handguns now, ya know.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:48 | 6361372 OldPhart
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Every shot is a strobe light.  And the shooter is lit up, too.  Theater's aren't pitch black either.

You have to have the nerves to find the target and take it out.

Tue, 07/28/2015 - 02:40 | 6361931 A Nanny Moose
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"Firing wildly into a frantic scene in the dark will just mean that you'll kill people too."

Hyperbole much? This is all a bunch of projected horseshit. You've been watching way too many Bruce Willis movies. Your Hypothetical shooter is firing into that same dark environment. Unless his/her actions are well thought out....but wait, we've already established that these are emotionally unstable individuals, who are likely under the influence os SSRIs...so well thought out is right out the window.

Here is a good treatment on night vision....

http://zerogov.com/?p=4254

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:46 | 6360878 seek
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Actually we already have proof to the contrary -- there was an attempting mass shooting at a Oregon shopping mall a few years ago that fell apart due to a CCW holder being present. It's interesting how hard they downplayed that, though.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:06 | 6360946 DaddyO
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Good point Seek, there a a number of real live videos on youtube showing perps getting their just deserts from well armed and trained CCW holders.

Refuse to be a victim!

What are you going to do in the face of evil, let someone force you to your knees to die a hopeless death or give it your best attempt to fight back. You just might win...

Or at the very least end up with a non life threatening injury and a dead perp.

Your choice grasshopper, choose wisely!

DaddyO

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 19:56 | 6360913 10mm
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Well anyone bent on a evil destructive act via gun, machete, chemicals etc will always have the jump. Called premeditated act or lying in wait. Police will be there after the fact. But the La nit wit went in, passed the background, and walked away with pistol. He was involuntary commited and whacked. He slipped thru the cracks. Look, if he was denied there is the underground market.  Focus on mental and criminal. Pro gun rights  I am. 

 

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 20:01 | 6360932 Cloud9.5
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Anyone can be taken unawares.  If you have done any shooting, you know that if you are expecting to hit anything using your sights, your field of vision is rather narrow.  This allows an armed bystander who is out of your field of vision ample opportunity to pop a cap on your but before you even know he is there.  Should you have visions of going Rambo in my state, consider this: Roughly one out of twenty Floridians are probably packing heat.  So, expect to get lit up like a Christmas tree.  That is of course unless you pick one of our well advertised gun free zones.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:06 | 6361170 CoolBeans
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Exactly - in my county, those carrying far outnumber those not.  One or four shooters would be put down in seconds.  Ten may take a few more seconds.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:04 | 6361165 CoolBeans
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I find no logic in your comment.

Mon, 07/27/2015 - 21:21 | 6361232 Government need...
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OMG.  Some mass murderer goes to work near me, there is little reason to expect he'll be scanning for me (a guy who carries concealed).  Therefore, there is a GREAT chance I can locate cover, aim, and put several rounds center mass before the perp even thinks to aim @ me specifically.  Even if he starts focusing exclusively on me, haven't I drawn his fire away from unprotected bystanders to my position behind cover?  Having a locked'n'cocked concealed firearm gives you some wonderful options for such a scenario.  If you cant see that, you deserve a Darwin award.

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