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Drivers, Beware: The Costly, Deadly Dangers Of Traffic Stops In The American Police State
Submitted by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,
“The Fourth Amendment was designed to stand between us and arbitrary governmental authority. For all practical purposes, that shield has been shattered, leaving our liberty and personal integrity subject to the whim of every cop on the beat, trooper on the highway and jail official. The framers would be appalled.”—Herman Schwartz, The Nation
Trying to predict the outcome of any encounter with the police is a bit like playing Russian roulette: most of the time you will emerge relatively unscathed, although decidedly poorer and less secure about your rights, but there’s always the chance that an encounter will turn deadly.
The odds weren’t in Walter L. Scott’s favor. Reportedly pulled over for a broken taillight, Scott—unarmed—ran away from the police officer, who pursued and shot him from behind, first with a Taser, then with a gun. Scott was struck five times, “three times in the back, once in the upper buttocks and once in the ear — with at least one bullet entering his heart.”
Samuel Dubose, also unarmed, was pulled over for a missing front license plate. He was reportedly shot in the head after a brief struggle in which his car began rolling forward.
Levar Jones was stopped for a seatbelt offense, just as he was getting out of his car to enter a convenience store. Directed to show his license, Jones leaned into his car to get his wallet, only to be shot four times by the “fearful” officer. Jones was also unarmed.
Bobby Canipe was pulled over for having an expired registration. When the 70-year-old reached into the back of his truck for his walking cane, the officer fired several shots at him, hitting him once in the abdomen.
Dontrell Stevens was stopped “for not bicycling properly.” The officer pursuing him “thought the way Stephens rode his bike was suspicious. He thought the way Stephens got off his bike was suspicious.” Four seconds later, sheriff’s deputy Adams Lin shot Stephens four times as he pulled out a black object from his waistband. The object was his cell phone. Stephens was unarmed.
If there is any lesson to be learned from these “routine” traffic stops, it is that drivers should beware.
At a time when police can do no wrong—at least in the eyes of the courts, police unions and politicians dependent on their votes—and a “fear” for officer safety is used to justify all manner of police misconduct, “we the people” are at a severe disadvantage.
According to the Justice Department, the most common reason for a citizen to come into contact with the police is being a driver in a traffic stop. On average, one in 10 Americans gets pulled over by police. Black drivers are 31 percent more likely to be pulled over than white drivers, or about 23 percent more likely than Hispanic drivers. As the Washington Post concludes, “‘Driving while black’ is, indeed, a measurable phenomenon.”
As Sandra Bland learned the hard way, the reason for a traffic stop no longer matters. Bland, who was pulled over for allegedly failing to use her turn signal, was arrested after refusing to comply with the police officer’s order to extinguish her cigarette and exit her vehicle. The encounter escalated, with the officer threatening to “light” Bland up with his taser. Three days later, Bland was found dead in her jail cell.
“You’re doing all of this for a failure to signal?” Bland asked as she got out of her car, after having been yelled at and threatened repeatedly. Had she only known, drivers have been pulled over for far less. Indeed, police officers have been given free range to pull anyone over for a variety of reasons.
This approach to traffic stops (what I would call “blank check policing,” in which the police get to call all of the shots) has resulted in drivers being stopped for windows that are too heavily tinted, for driving too fast, driving too slow, failing to maintain speed, following too closely, improper lane changes, distracted driving, screeching a car’s tires, and leaving a parked car door open for too long.
Motorists can also be stopped by police for driving near a bar or on a road that has large amounts of drunk driving, driving a certain make of car (Mercedes, Grand Prix and Hummers are among the most ticketed vehicles), having anything dangling from the rearview mirror (air fresheners, handicap parking permits, troll transponders or rosaries), and displaying pro-police bumper stickers.
Incredibly, a federal appeals court actually ruled unanimously in 2014 that acne scars and driving with a stiff upright posture are reasonable grounds for being pulled over. More recently, the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that driving a vehicle that has a couple air fresheners, rosaries and pro-police bumper stickers at 2 MPH over the speed limit is suspicious, meriting a traffic stop.
Unfortunately for drivers, not only have traffic stops become potentially deadly encounters, they have also turned into a profitable form of highway robbery for the police departments involved.
As The Washington Post reports, “traffic stops for minor infractions such as speeding or equipment violations are increasingly used as a pretext for officers to seize cash from drivers.” Relying on federal and state asset forfeiture laws, police set up “stings” on public roads that enable them to stop drivers for a variety of so-called “suspicious” behavior, search their vehicles and seize anything of value that could be suspected of being connected to criminal activity. Since 2001, police have seized $2.5 billion from people who were not charged with a crime and without a warrant being issued.
“In case after case,” notes The Washington Post, “highway interdictors appeared to follow a similar script. Police set up what amounted to rolling checkpoints on busy highways and pulled over motorists for minor violations, such as following too closely or improper signaling. They quickly issued warnings or tickets. They studied drivers for signs of nervousness, including pulsing carotid arteries, clenched jaws and perspiration. They also looked for supposed ‘indicators’ of criminal activity, which can include such things as trash on the floor of a vehicle, abundant energy drinks or air fresheners hanging from rearview mirrors.”
If you’re starting to feel somewhat overwhelmed, intimidated and fearful for your life and your property, you should be. Never before have “we the people” been so seemingly defenseless in the face of police misconduct, lacking advocates in the courts and in the legislatures.
So how do you survive a police encounter with your life and wallet intact?
The courts have already given police the green light to pull anyone over for a variety of reasons. In an 8-1 ruling in Heien v. North Carolina, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed that police officers can pull someone over based on a “reasonable” but mistaken belief about the law.
Of course, what’s reasonable to agents of the police state may be completely unreasonable to the populace. Nevertheless, the moment those lights start flashing and that siren goes off, we’re all in the same boat: we must pull over.
However, it’s what happens after you’ve been pulled over that’s critical. Survival is the key.
Technically, you have the right to remain silent (beyond the basic requirement to identify yourself and show your registration). You have the right to refuse to have your vehicle searched. You have the right to film your interaction with police. You have the right to ask to leave. You also have the right to resist an unlawful order such as a police officer directing you to extinguish your cigarette, put away your phone or stop recording them.
However, as Bland learned the hard way, there is a price for asserting one’s rights. “Faced with an authority figure unwilling to de-escalate the situation, Bland refused to be bullied or intimidated,” writes Boston Globe contributor Renee Graham. “She understood her rights, but for African-Americans in encounters with police, the appalling price for asserting even the most basic rights can be their lives.”
So if you don’t want to get probed, poked, pinched, tasered, tackled, searched, seized, stripped, manhandled, arrested, shot, or killed, don’t say, do or even suggest anything that even hints of noncompliance when it comes to interactions with police.
One police officer advised that if you feel as if you’re being treated unfairly, comply anyhow and contest it in court later. Similarly, black parents, advising their kids on how to deal with police, tell them to just obey the officer’s orders. “The goal,” as one parent pointed out, “is to stay alive.”
It seems that “comply or die” has become the new maxim for the American police state.
Then again, not even compliance is a guarantee of safety anymore. “Police are specialists in violence,” warns Kristian Williams, who has written extensively on the phenomenon of police militarization and brutality. “They are armed, trained, and authorized to use force. With varying degrees of subtlety, this colors their every action. Like the possibility of arrest, the threat of violence is implicit in every police encounter. Violence, as well as the law, is what they represent.”
In other words, in the American police state, “we the people” are at the mercy of law enforcement officers who have almost absolute discretion to decide who is a threat, what constitutes resistance, and how harshly they can deal with the citizens they were appointed to “serve and protect.”
As I point out in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, this mindset that any challenge to police authority is a threat that needs to be “neutralized” is a dangerous one that is part of a greater nationwide trend that sets the police beyond the reach of the Fourth Amendment. Moreover, when police officers are allowed to operate under the assumption that their word is law and that there is no room for any form of disagreement or even question, that serves to chill the First Amendment’s assurances of free speech, free assembly and the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Frankly, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a casual “show your ID” request on a boardwalk, a stop-and-frisk search on a city street, or a traffic stop for speeding or just to check your insurance. If you feel like you can’t walk away from a police encounter of your own volition—and more often than not you can’t, especially when you’re being confronted by someone armed to the hilt with all manner of militarized weaponry and gear—then for all intents and purposes, you’re under arrest from the moment a cop stops you.
Sad, isn’t it, how quickly we have gone from a nation of laws—where the least among us had just as much right to be treated with dignity and respect as the next person (in principle, at least)—to a nation of law enforcers (revenue collectors with weapons) who treat us all like suspects and criminals?
Clearly, the language of freedom is no longer the common tongue spoken by the citizenry and their government. With the government having shifted into a language of force, “we the people” have been reduced to suspects in a surveillance state, criminals in a police state, and enemy combatants in a military empire.
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"We the People" was supposed to mean "Property Owners" who owned the means of production at the time.
"Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners."— Vladimir Lenin
I wonder if the police fully understand that when the Fascist American Globalist Surveillance State (FAG-SS) is complete and the Police Departments are inevitably 100% privatised... that the omnipresent surveillance cameras and weaponized drones can be easily manned by Chinese or Indian citizens 8,000 miles away for under $2 an hour. Let's not even talk about the new cars that will drive themselves to wherever the authorites will allow you to go that can never need to be pulled over for a traffic violation.
Since the profit margins promise to be insane you know that eventually the politicians will take the money and it's going to happen...
So, the message is, if you live around F.A.G.S., stay away from anyone with P.D.
Pro Tips:
1) No matter what your rights are, unless someone else sees them violated, you don't have any.
2) Yes sir, no sir, sorry sir. Politeness helps.
3) Don't drink and drive.
http://killedbypolice.net
I watched the dash am video of sandra bland from the beginning when he had someone else pulled over,,,,,,,we are in big trouble if that's what's going on,,,,,,,she was clearly getting over because of police intimidation, the officer escalated every minute of it,,,,,live free or die trying
That Walter Scott shooting was fake as hell.
Don't fuck up in Boston, they will threaten to blow your fucking head off.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2015/07/27/cop-caught-das...
Also they promote jock straps like this from patrol to detective: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2015/07/27/video-resurfac...
Same psychopath cop in both videos. Look at that shit eating power tripping sociopathic smile. That is the smile of an apex predator in it's natural environment. Completely beyond any control. God bless the police union.
I'm not american. If a policeman violates your rights and commits something illegal, like dragging you out of your car without warrant, can you shoot them, at least in some states? It should be self-defence...
Remember, a cop is just a trained animal.
if a cop is a trained animal... well, perhaps you were not trained to go on your own on the potty, but you'd still be an animal, too
and a primate, in scientific terms, a hominid of the genus "Homo", a Homo Sapiens Sapiens (one hopes), with possibly some Homo Neanderthalensis in it
but if you don't believe in all that, then that same cop might still be your brother creature, created by the same deity, with the same divine spark in him as you
No you're a homo.
The author also gets this wrong about Sandra Bland. She was ordered to get out the car because she didn't want to extiguish her cigarette which was completely within her right. So the cop trying to be a bad ass told her to get out of her car. Have you ever met a police officer that didn't have an over inflated ego? I haven't
I did, and he was old as hell, yet somehow still out on patrol. Verbal warning for going 70 in a 40, slow down kid, you know damn well if you were in your own town you'd be getting ticketed right now.
Probably long since retired now....most of the cops I see around are young and looking HARD to find something wrong with ANYONE.
Here in MD the State Troopers are professionals, not so much for the local yokels.
Pro Tips:
1) Convince someone in your immediate family to become a police officer
2) Realize right now that you have no rights and be sure to be polite by having at least $1,000 in your possession for the arresting officer to seize
3) Take the bus
Oh, I thought those were 4), 5) and 6)!
Live in another country. Unless you like the abuse and lack of personal freedom.
Which country(ies) would you suggest as being any better? Serious question.
Small countries with limited governments, preferably not too subservient to the Empire. Switzerland, Lienchtenstein, Monaco, Austria, St-Marin, Andora,...
See the Free State Project Europe for example:
http://www.freestateproject-europe.org/what-is-the-fsp-e/
Our ZWO masters have trained the police that they are at war with the American public.
So they treat us like Iraqis.
Let freedum ring.
merica is being liberated
Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Poland, Romania (Bulgaria or Serbia/Montenegro too, but a bit too iffy imho due to large underworld with guns and will to use them). All of them are in the EU, peaceful, not too expensive, decent(ish) infrastructure, friendly people, a few hours by car or plane to everywhere in Europe, little or no checks on border crossing, decently stable, safe. And last but not least, overwhelmingly white with little or no Muslim/African emigrants.
Lol, junked for offering a honest opinion. Keep'em coming boys!
b...by having at least $1,000 in your possession....
I ran across this in south America. Parents buy their children gold necklaces as health insurance. It's accepted practice that when someone shows up in the ER the gold chain is taken as the "deductible" and they start working right away, no gold chain, you're waiting until someone shows up to pay, massive trama, heart attack, doesn't matter. They don't start working till the cash is on the barrel head.
In the cop situation, $1000, as long as it equals no harassment and no charges, isn't a bad price. But $1000 isn't gonna stay in my kids wallet. They'll buy $1000 worth of slurppies and cheetos. It'd need to be a 1/2 oz of gold or something not immediately spendable.
and don't "pull stuff" from your pocket
You mean... like... your license and registration that he just asked for?
1) you have only those rights which are a willing, and able to keep and secure for yourself. PERIOD.
2) If you believe your rights are being violated, please see number 1.
and stay away from the police. don't interact unless the alternative seems really, really dire. doesn't matter if they are off duty (or probably even retired or fired).
the new lepher(sp?)...
This article is BS. Mr. Dubose was shitfaced and decided to drive away, not "roll away"...
Sandra Bland would have been let off with a warning but decided to be a social justice warrior and give the cop some static. Things escalated and she ended up in jail for disobeying a police officer's order. Pro tip, when a cop "orders" you to do something, remind them of your "contractual wage" since you are now under their employment. Record this shit because it's admissable. If Sandra hadn't been an idiot she would still be alive.
And she was totally loaded with pot, this and 99.99% of all the bad police stories are bullshit. You want police trouble, just ask for it like all those in these dumbass stories.
I smell bacon.
Bacon wrapped pot.
Oink oink.
Exactly. The two most dangerous situations for cops are traffic stops and domestic violence calls. So "If there is any lesson to be learned from these “routine” traffic stops, it is that drivers" need to not make any sudden moves, reach where the officer can't see, or act like a jackass.
You mean the domestic violence calls at the officer's own home? Cops are way up on the least of wife beaters. High on the list of drunks and druggies.
If Sandra hadn't been an idiot she would still be alive.
So tell us again why she is dead !
Because the statutary penalty for being an idiot is DEATH. Simple!
I can see the American population decreasing rapidly - too many idiots.
ah, and this is ok in your version/vision of merica. we always had idiots. and a 4th ammendment that was followed. hmmm, back to minding my own business...
next will be roadside blowjobs for non-compliance...
Already happening in Phoenix. It's 2015! Please try to keep up!
"Needed Killin" as we say in Texas...
Cleanse the gene pool.
She is dead because she killed herself in jail.
Or maybe this is just a good example of how smoking kills.
It might be time to up your meds and adjust your tin foil cap.
That's only because English Law is basically Land Law. Inquests were basically Land Courts to decide who inherited land. Debt Law is basically mortgaged land.
The moral of the story is don't be stupid. If the cop who pulls you over is an asshole sign your name to any ticket he gives you. You are not admitting guilt and any scumbag traffic "lawyer" will get you off for $100. And if you pay him another $100 to get you off then that is your business.
In other words... submit and you won't have a problem.
Damn I use to get tickets all the time and never had these problems.
Ditto. I have been stopped for things like not using my turn signal changing lanes or a tail light out. I understand these can pose a risk to myself as well as others. So when the cop or trooper pull me over, black or white, I cooperate. Why not?
If you act like an idiot bad things can and will happen.
What if the cops pose a greater danger to those around you, than your driving habits?
But no penalty for the cop acting like an idiot.
I wish these cops were like Mexican ones. Hand them the license and a $20 and you have nothing to worry about.
Cecil the lion, a famous black-maned resident of Zimbabwe’s Hwange National Park, died at the hands of an American dentist, conservationists claim.
http://news.yahoo.com/american-dentist-killed-zimbabwe-famous-lion-19272...
Walter Palmer paid $50,000 to hunt and kill Cecil with a bow and arrow. The incident occurred around July 6, with a professional hunting outfit reportedly luring Cecil outside the boundaries of the protected reserve using a dead animal as bait.
i daresay walter palmer won't be having any problems with the police. he has lots of money.
“Mr. Palmer shot Cecil with a bow and arrow but this shot didn't kill him,” Johnny Rodrigues, chairman of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force, said in a statement. “They tracked him down and found him 40 hours later when they shot him with a gun. Cecil, who was known all over the world would have earned millions of dollars just from sightseeing. Walter Palmer apparently paid $50,000 for the kill."
This lion killing is a pretty big non-story. A local story, at best. Question: What are they trying to distract the masses from now?
That only works when the nation is corrupt from the bottom-up.
We live in a nation that is corrupt from the top-down.
My friend's wife just got a ticket from a red light camera-bot. $560!
Obviously, that camera-bot is racist, sexist and probably homophobic.
Most, if not all, of the red light camera tickets out this way got tossed by a judge. It seemed that local cities had contracted wtih a company that installed the lights, and the payment was a cut of the ticket revenue. Well, the company installing the cameras deliberately set them up to take pictures of license plates too early in the signal cycle. People going through on the green light were still getting tickets because it raised the amount of revenue the camera comapny was getting.
Corrupt at every level.
On the street at that moment, yes dumbass, you better submit. When you go before the judge you can make your arguement there. Not on the side of the road.
If you are polite, don't have a big traffic violation record, and accept whatever goofy explanation the cop thinks you did wrong, you usually get a warning. Argue and you get a ticket. Worse, do not let the cop search you or your car if you have anything in it.
I questioned a cop (because I have a pair unlike most 'merican "men") and he buckled. He must have been a rookie, because he started stuttering and went back and looked at his camera, thought about it, or something. Got off with a "warning" for running a stop sign (I didn't run it) but I'm sure he was ready to write a ticket. At least he had the guts to know he was wrong and change the outcome I guess.
I'm almost always guilty of something.
I do question the race statistics. Are we to assume that the crime stats for blacks are accurate, for if so, then it doesn't seem unreasonable that they would have a higher incidence of traffic stops. Unless they go Baltimore and just stop patrolling those areas.
Cops have always harassed people and ticketed for money. Its called intimidation.
What fun is it to have power if you can't abuse it?
"Are we to assume that the crime stats for blacks are accurate, for if so, then it doesn't seem unreasonable that they would have a higher incidence of traffic stops."
It doesn't seem unreasonable to you that you get pulled over for your skin color? Fuck yeah, land of the free.
Crime stats for blacks ARE accurate and are disgusting. And thats just 'those who get caught!'. Think about that for a long, hard, minute! And btw, when a town is 98% 'non-white' and has a 90% crime rate with the criminal being black, its not racist, it is called Statistics. You would get that if you were smart enough, and not black.
OW, with all the bullshit laws put on the books, it is hard not to be guilty of 'something'. A good cop will recognize the bullshit offenses. And if he doesn't. a good judge will. Unfortunately, both are becoming a rare occurrence.
We are all niggers now. Look at low income whites living in trailer parks. Crime free? Ummm, not even close.
Land of the black criminal, you mean.
I always notice that many black drivers, particularly black females, have no regard for speed limits whatsoever.
I don't know much but I know that PSL +10 is generally safe except at high risk hours (2 am etc).
for some reason I see black women driving in the left lane at PSL 20+ all the time. Doesn't matter which state.
As they roar past me, who's already hitting 10 over, I wonder "how many tickets does she have already" .
I've heard that truck drivers call the interstate loop around Atlanta the Watermelon 500.
Lots of black people driving real fast, or something.
Is that driving while black? IE going 20 over, running traffic lights, blocking the left lane when others want to pass, tailgating?
From where I'm sitting that's what it looks like and I am very observant when I'm outside the confines of my home.
My dad (a former truck driver) used to call the Dan Ryan (Chicago) "The Congolese 500"
As a white guy driving a pickup I can personally attest to the rudeness and velocity of angry black drivers. I feel like my very presence on the road seems to bring the worst out of them. To be fair, there are plenty of whites and asians out there that drive like complete shit, but the element of rage is missing.
Women feel empowered in a car. White or black. Except Chinese women, they are sloooooow.
It's more than just shakedown money. Many are itching for their first kill. It's like a right-of-passage in the ranks. My former neighbor, a cop from the town over, was off duty at home one night and heard over the radio a suspect was on foot running along the ditch behind our houses. He hid in his bushes with his gun, waiting for him to come by, apparently to shoot him if he got close. Anyway the uniformed police chasing the suspect saw him in the bushes and almost shot him instead... fucking pigs, that's all you can say
I have frequent encounters with police in my job. Most of them are decent people.
In chats I kept hearing about a fellow officer, Constable Smith I'll call him, who had a black belt in something that he was just itching to use. His M.O. was that he would keep needling people until they were so upset they'd take a swing at him, then he would go to town and beat the shit out of them with absolute impunity because he was "defending himself". Apparently it made his job worth getting out of bed.
Some cops on any force are on a power trip - get pulled over by one of them and you can 'yes suh, no suh, sorry suh, thank you suh' all you want but if they want to fuck you up there ain't shit you can do about it (except hope that someone is recording it). Package that with racism and you've got a predator that can easily pick out prey.
I hope all the good ones are not gone. I got clocked doing 75 in a 55 in WPB one Saturday trying to make a fishing trip. This 6'4" cop gets out of a Mustang 5.0 and I told him I was trying to catch a boat and asked how fast he could write a ticket. He was quick and got me there on time. It may have helped that it was on my birthday.
Just out of sheer curiosity.....Are you white?
White, and 6'2". The 6'4" cop was black and the only thing I thought was "how the hell did that guy fit in that car?".
Hahaha.
Therein lies the answer.
The black cop did not want to get killed so he let you go! ;) ;) :) :)
Now those are some impressive analytical skills.
What did you expect dickhead, a psych profile? This was a simple traffic stop that didn't interrupt my fishing trip enough to matter. Believe it or not, that is the way the constitution is written,,,
Wasn't directed at you, zhandax. In fact, I'm not sure why my comment ended up where it did.
Those Chinese hackers!
Never sign your name on anything , because it is all contract law.
Sure, sign! "Under duress" works perfectly! Pigs can't read so they never see it until too late.
If only it were so easy. This happened just a couple weeks ago in a city nearby mine. The situation was so far over the line that the guy's own partner called his supervisor to squeal on him after the call.
Of course the usual outcome to the cop: no charges filed, he retired within the week and is now collecting his pension.
It's not just the people getting pulled over that can be stupid.
The lawyer's always a scumbag till you're in real trouble then people like you lick their boots.
Better call Saul!
$100 - a lawyer? - You can't be a US citizen.
dup
Police deal with armed, "thug-life" gangbanger "teens" on a regular basis. Don't wrestle with the cop and don't make sudden movements while reaching for small objects. I realise we shouldn't have militarized, trigger-happy cops to begin with, but we're a dying empire and TPTB are afraid of their subjects. Just survive until the economic collapse, pigs don't work for free.
Soliders, mercenaries, and armed guards don't work for free either.
Tick tock.
Good constructive suggestions.
Mind your way clear of large unstable constructs...
I'll add to that... keep your hands in plain sight, and tell the officer exactly what you are going to do in a clear voice before you do it.
The last cop that pulled me over looked like he must have been wearing 20 to 40 pounds of gear. Unbelievable.
I understand this recommendation has changed in the last few years, but we were always taught to get of of the car as soon as you stop and show that you do not have anything in your hands. Don't hold your hands up, just angle your palms toward the cop; he will be watching them intently. It has gotten me out of more tickets than I have received.
I did exactly that, got out of the car...(deja vu) I also pulled into a parking lot in front of a restaurant before stopping. (In my mind, witnesses)...what I said to him was "I didn't want to block the main thoroughfare." He added that I should not have gotten out of the car.
He pulled me over because my turn signal was out. Warning only, and on my way.
Unless you are inviting the cop to shoot you, NEVER GET OUT OF THE CAR!!!
Driver's window is down, left arm hanging out of it. Interior light is on, license/insurance/registration on the dash, right hand on the steering wheel. These simple actions demonstrate to the cop that you are not a threat and de-escalates the situation before it even starts. They might even take it as a sign of "respect", or something. Has worked for me several times.
If your wife/girlfriend is riding shotgun she is instructed to REMAIN ABSOLUTELY SILENT. The SILENT part is so important, nothing aggravates a simple stop more than two people talking at the cop at once. They have a hard time with that and you will get a ticket.
+1
but I'm still tempted to say "yes officer, I have 7 grand in my car" just to videotape him violate my rights, get all pissed when he breaks the law and finds no money, and then sue him afterwards.
That is FEAR!
If u feel this way, u should leave the nig infested, fag-run shit hole you're in. The cops where I live are great. And I'll be right beside them shooting when the fsa mobs try to overrun us
Where do you live..Mayberry? Say hi to Barney for me.
And just for the record, I''ve been arrested a dozen times, been in half dozen foot pursuits, and two car chases, and twice charged with assaulting a police officer
Then I grew up, started a family, stopped drinking and acting like an asshoke and then began to appreciate what it takes to keep a community safe.
I also have dealt with rural, suburban and big city law enforcement. I know that anything a cop says or does can't be challenged no matter how wrong they are. I am not into kissing someone's ass so I just do my best to avoid them altogether.
Cops can be crossexamined like anyone else. Can we please quit making wild statements about stuff we know nothing about.
Good for you, dick smack. After the carnage subsides (in this little jerk-off shoot-em-up fantasy you felt the need to share with everyone else), I hope the pig you're blasting alongside high-fives you in the occipital lobe with his asp. When you come back here, you can relate to us how great it was to stand proud alongside him.
And you can go down to the next blacklivesmatter rally in Baltimore to purge your white guilt. You'll be one of those fags crying for the cops when you get jumped by 15 of your "bros"
Well, at least the part about moving out of your "Mega City One" toilet is definitely a wise and agreeable thing to do.
I have to agree with you. Where I live in southern California the cops have never given me or my family any trouble whatsoever. The only people they fuck with are criminals. Some of the guys in this forum seem to go out looking for trouble with a chip on their shoulder. All they see is hate because that is how they view the world.
Exactly. These whiners want to make out how awful America is but it's still great. Cops I've dealt with have been great. Only one ran a speed trap. It's a great criminal justice system even if immature or unhealthy cops exist. It's not a perfect system but what system is?
Don't act like an ass or break the law and you'll be fine.
White privilege?
Fuck off with that nonsense. Last time I checked if I start acting like a dick around people, especially cops, being white doesn't help. And certainly not with black cops.
unless of course they are already in hunt mode and you happen to be in their line of interaction.
seriously, driving past cops is like walking past a pack of unknown dogs. you have no idea if one of them is going to up and decide to chase you for no other reason than how you look, or he just feels like it.
it is of course advisable to blend into one's background and not stick out, and being an asshole in general makes one stick out. but not acting like an asshole is no guarantee you wont be fucked with.
Try common sense.
I'll bet those 3x levered Chinese farmers are loading up on gasoline and pitch forks.
In China police run from the ox drawn cart.
Doesn't matter, America now has a new tactical nuke ...that appears to be extremely useful in a whole variety of circumstances
http://www.gjfreepress.com/news/17259414-113/regional-the-nations-newest...
http://www.businessinsider.com/this-bomb-may-be-the-most-dangerous-in-us...
Don't worry... this new nuke bomb story is totally fake... as most stories about nukes are fake. Just effective scare tactic propaganda that the public has been eating up since WW2. There is no question they have some very big destructive munitions, but nukes...probably not.
Oh... my brother was in the military as a naval procurement and safety officer on a nuclear aircraft carrier. He loaded up hundreds of supposed nuke bombs on the ship and to aircraft. Plains crashed all the time. They would loose on average 1 pilot per week. This was back in the early 1980's. Anyhow, he told me years ago that nuke bombs do exist but they're way too big to strap on or in a plane or be used for missile delivery. They will drop a big munition and call it a nuke. People believe almost everything the media tells them.
Nope. Nukes can be smaller than your brother thinks.
@Zen Master... I've heard that conspiricy theory before. Interesting - Think it's worth further investigation.
"By deception, thou shalt do war"
Most prosecutors are political upstarts who will whitewash any murder committed by cops in order to gain favor with the police unions and their political power.
Instead of fuck the police, it should be fuck the prosecutors.
Most prosecutors are "public defenders", then they get hired as Defence Attorneys, if they're good.
Then they become politicians and lobbyists.
The whole system is corrupt. Cops, attorney generals, judges, all the way to the corporate owned prison system. Those who know the score also know what needs to be done about this.
Big Time. :-D
You know I love your stuff Ralph.
All courts in America are privately owened for profit corp's and they don't give a frack what is right or wrong. They work under Roman civil and Admralty law and have nothing to do with America besides taking your money and keeping the for profit jails full.
That would be crap. Can I say that?
One measure of how badly people feels about this is the number of police who are ambushed and killed for no obvious reason, not zero but pretty close. There is nowhere near enough angst over this in the public to expect change anytime soon. Things will need to ferment for awhile. On the good side my opinion on prosecuters and some police has made me immune from serving on juries :) but not until it's time for the prosecuter to use his peremptory challenges :( I am the first to go though. An educated man who has watched cops brag in private about the best way to plant evidence is not what they're looking for. Who could have guessed?
If someone really has a beef with the cops, this is the way to do it.
Frontal assaults are suicidal.
Not so. I've won one appeal on straightforward rules of evidence and walked two guys on Fourth Amendment grounds. The law was a defense. I've seen first offenders treated leniently and experienced criminals hammered. I lost most trials as a public defender but my clients were guilty and the prosecutor's had done their homework. Judges were always polite and were honest and professional.
I'm less enamored of federal prosecutors and the FBI. Federal law gives them too much power and DOJ today is all kind of corrupt.
You're comment is facile, reckless and inaccurate.
You're a fucking lawyer so you have zero credibility. Of course you think the bizarro world you operate in is wonderful. Tick tock motherfucker.
cmon dont be so hard on him, he won *one* appeal by having things go as they ought to have in an unfucked world!
/s
Had I used "fuck," more in what I wrote I suppose I WOULD have more credibility.
Actually cops are afraid for good reason. Blame it on Obama's "if I had a son" thug gangbang . Let the mother fuckers see your hands at all times unless of course you plan to fight but if I were you I would save that fight for the fucking politicos that give the cop orders .
OK so the moral of the story is DON'T DRIVE without an AK beside you under the passenger seat or tucked under your feet and if you're stopped USE THE FUCKER. I'm SERIOUS for any cunt who says WTF.
If you do this then these FILTHY PIGS will soon change their UNTOUCHABLE outlook on life, no matter if the FILTHY PARASITIC POLITICIANS got their BACKS.
Have you not seen the videos of idiots who have tried this? They always leave in a body-bag. Your a fucking jackass
Says you fuckwit. You wouldn't say that to my face you sniveling little cunt.
PS If you haven't noticed folks are already leaving in body-bags for traffic offences.
Jesus! Get a grip.
Doesn't help that cops are both dumb and roided up in most cities.
Much like some of the people commenting on this article.
Rural property is the new gold rush. We're probably 5 years ahead of trend, but either way. You can grow your own food, no HOA, and no serial murderers with badges roaming the neighborhood. Just lock your front gate.
The article seems to imply that she died because of the traffic stop but that's not true. She died because she hung herself. And if she was that unstable it was only a matter of time before it happened under another circumstance. Maybe she was trying to commit suicide by cop by being belligerent and uncooperative and cop just wouldn't give her the satisfaction so she had to do it herself.
Well she wasn't called Magnitsky so noone in the US will care
Somehow while incarcerated she found materials to hang herself. And of course she was ruled to be a suicide, as was the guy who shot himself in the head multiple times with a nailgun. But it must be true, I read it on the internet.
elvado, my guess is you vote. Am I right?
She did die as a result of that traffic stop.
There was a time where I grew up, if a cop gave us a ticket for stupid shit they would find 2x the damage to their personal property.. Most of the time this got them off our backs but only to fahk with someone else.
Police now watched judge dred 1 too many times. They act like fearful little pricks thinking the world is full of vile evil people that are out to destroy the very communities they patrol.. Mindless minions..
Too many people dont understand our tax dollars pay their fahking salary, they are supposed to work for US..
Two issues:
First, cops are fellow citizens who are hired for nothing more or less than protecting person and property from harm and even guarding our civil rights. They are NOT "the law", do not make laws, and do not get to interpret it. They are allowed to apply it only under specific conditions. Too many think they are the rulers and we are subjects. We do not have to show them deference or be submissive. Respect goes both ways. Frankly, every conversation should start with "Fellow citizen..." To establish equality.
Second, the traffic game is a revenue game first and about safety sixth. Everyone knows this. Police are never on the streets to help you. They are there to catch you. It is why people go abnormally slow or panic when driving near cops. Unless you have a flat tire or called them, the cops are there to collect revenue. If anyone knows any cops ask them or yourself, "How many cops speed...every day?" The answer is 100% if they are not behind a desk. They all do it and they break every other law. The traffic game, including red light cameras is first and foremost a game to raise money. That is why they give you a deal for submitting and paying while they threaten you with extra points and court fees if you even think of fighting it. It.Is corrupting in and of itself. If it was about safety first about 90% of tickets would be helpful,warnings to the fellow citizens, neighbors and friends,
When the law is a game it leads to cynicism. Cynicism leads to abuse. Abuse in the open is oppression. This is how you become a third world country.
There is no constitution.
Soon, WE won't be either nor the jackboots along with alleged representatives.
FEMA coffins make more sense now. No one escapes this.
The extent of this evil has no measure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dIr0MWYDwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRFh7rjEZy8
something will be done when white people start getting killed regularly by cops. killing their dogs has created some blowback but not enough yet. in the meantime, do as they tell you and wish they die soon. maybe karma will work.
"something will be done when white people start getting killed regularly by cops".
Unlikely as most white people will be to busy watching TMZ to see which celeb is turning into a woman or said something deemed offensive. 318 of the 663 people killed by police this year are white, according to THE Counted.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counte...
These are the same people who are just so asleep that it's gonna take a lot more than some random white getting killed for them to notice. Hey, maybe if Caitlyn Jenner gets shot, people will be outraged by this police brutality.
The US is sounding like it is turning into a total South American el Generale shit-hole.
The cops abuse because so many dumb fools want to trust anyone in a uniform. Local magistrates who hear traffic cases are tax collectors. One thing most likely in any trial, even in traffic court, is that police are lying.
If on a jury, vote for acquittal as a nullification of our law and our courts. You owe the police nothing. Be clever as a fox if stopped.
The OJ verdict was not about justice for OJ, but the higher value nullification of a corrupt system.
It's real simple. The cop has a gun, I don't. I do what the cop says. Afterwards I tell everybody I can find that cops are disgusting pigs, agents of the state, which is to say, agents of the wealthy. They are no different from the Gestapo. Under no circumstances should you support the police, unless you like being fucked over every now and then by a braindead automaton. I have never been bothered by a street criminal. I have been assaulted a number of times by police, for no reason whatsover.