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White House Denies Snowden 'Pardon' Petition, Warns "We Are Living In A Dangerous World"
After two years and a massive 167,000 signatures, FirstLook reports that The White House has officially denied a hugely popular whitehouse.gov petition calling for NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden to be “immediately issued a full, free, and absolute pardon,” saying thanks for signing, but no, stating that "Mr. Snowden’s dangerous decision to steal and disclose classified information had severe consequences for the security of our country and the people who work day in and day out to protect it." While acknowledging that "this is an issue that many Americans feel strongly about," Lisa Monaco, President Obama’s advisor on homeland security and terrorism, said in a statement, "we live in a dangerous world."
However, as FirstLook further points out,
Snowden didn’t actually disclose any classified information – news organizations including the Guardian, Washington Post, New York Times and The Intercept did the disclosing.
And the Obama administration has yet to specify any “severe consequences” that can be independently confirmed.
Intercept founding editor Glenn Greenwald, one of the journalists to whom Snowden entrusted his archive, has frequently responded to [the argument that Snowden should come home and be judged], noting that Snowden is willing to accept the legal consequences of his acts – but, were he to come home under the current circumstances, would be barred under the draconian Espionage Act from publicly arguing that his leaks were justified.
OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE RESPONSE TO "Pardon Edward Snowden"
A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden
Thanks for signing a petition about Edward Snowden. This is an issue that many Americans feel strongly about. Because his actions have had serious consequences for our national security, we took this matter to Lisa Monaco, the President's Advisor on Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. Here's what she had to say:
"Since taking office, President Obama has worked with Congress to secure appropriate reforms that balance the protection of civil liberties with the ability of national security professionals to secure information vital to keep Americans safe.
As the President said in announcing recent intelligence reforms, "We have to make some important decisions about how to protect ourselves and sustain our leadership in the world, while upholding the civil liberties and privacy protections that our ideals and our Constitution require."
Instead of constructively addressing these issues, Mr. Snowden's dangerous decision to steal and disclose classified information had severe consequences for the security of our country and the people who work day in and day out to protect it.
If he felt his actions were consistent with civil disobedience, then he should do what those who have taken issue with their own government do: Challenge it, speak out, engage in a constructive act of protest, and -- importantly -- accept the consequences of his actions. He should come home to the United States, and be judged by a jury of his peers -- not hide behind the cover of an authoritarian regime. Right now, he's running away from the consequences of his actions.
We live in a dangerous world. We continue to face grave security threats like terrorism, cyber-attacks, and nuclear proliferation that our intelligence community must have all the lawful tools it needs to address. The balance between our security and the civil liberties that our ideals and our Constitution require deserves robust debate and those who are willing to engage in it here at home."
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Re-read that statement... without gagging on the hypocrisy and propaganda.
Social media was unimpressed...
The whitehouse's response on Snowden's We The People petition summarized; Screw you people, terrorist and stuff.
— Scratch (@Scratchhax) July 28, 2015
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Snowden appears to be another media "story"...
Won't pardon Snowden, will pardon Pollard.
"What we need right now is a clear message to the people of this country. This message must be read in every newspaper, heard on every radio, seen on every television... I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want everyone to remember why they need us!" - Adam Sutler, V for Vendetta
>>>> Snowden the traitor
>>>> Obama the traitor
"we live in a dangerous world."
Oh grave new world
that has such assholes in it.
Yea dont let these fuckers fool you. You're safe IN YOUR liberties and freedoms. You're safe when you are responsible for your own Natural Rights.
obama will pardon thousands of drug dealing low life he can relate to , will not pardon freedom loving white man protecting we the people from government intrusion.
"we live in a dangerous world."
Well, they got that part right. As much as politicians would like to hang Snowden and shove the NSA back into a cloud of secrecy, it's not going to happen. This treachery continues to unite people from all sides. It's one of the few issues that actually does. Even if they don't have the courage to do anything about it.
“I think Snowden is a terrible threat, I think he’s a terrible traitor, and you know what we used to do in the good old days when we were a strong country — you know what we used to do to traitors, right?” - Donald Trump
It's tempting to believe that there's still "good guys" out there... Alex Jones, Snowden, etc, etc. Sorry to burst your hope & change bubble but most of them are psy-ops or controlled opposition.
Sure junk away... sorry for blowing your fantasies. Snowden is likely another later-day John Kerry. The young "rebel" who is "fighting the man" (but is actually working for the man the whole time). The establishment likes their anti-establishment rebels they can call on at a later date for useful purposes.
...the other CIA, NSA whistleblowers over the years? Totally ignored by the MSM and left fearing for their safety and their lives. Snowden & Greenwald? Nah, they don't seem to have that problem. The MSM fawns over their every word... meanwhile Manning rots in a prison cell forgotten.
over the years we had no way of knowing--things could be easily hidden--today not so much---
and some times a cigar is just a cigar----looking for wheels inside of wheels is a waste of time--- just look for good and evil--its really plain to see----stop trying to obfuscate everything.
Alex Jones is a controlled opposition no brainer. I would like to think Snowden isn't, but to fully believe that would only point out my own congnitive dissonance.
Yes, you did say "like" but you caught it too. These people are master manipulators and story tellers, listen to all of it but believe none of it. There are "gated" levels of truth that they can fall back to when forced to do so.
Everywhere you look the top dogs are painting themselves into a corner-----these people are dumb fucks in way over their heads--You on the other hand seem to be scared shitless of your own shadow in the illumination of the great manipulators. --- get a pair--
Obama --racist, tyrant, narcisist, meglomaniac, hubristic insecure wannabe, authoritarin and pretender------a practitioner of statist law, enemy of freedom and Christiandom. A boot licking sycophant of the Oligarchy.
Snowden--principled, focused, honest, heroic, self sacrificing, humble, -----soldier of the people fighting for freedom and against Statism.
I know which camp I am in-----
"we live in a dangerous world."
Say the men juggling chainsaws.
"not hide behind the cover of an authoritarian regime."
Talk about the kettle calling the pot black.
I am not defending that traitor Obama, but in a drug deal what is happening is a private contract between two parties. I don't see a problem with that. One can't pick and choose what freedoms people should have,true freedom is all or nothing. You are decrying government intrusion except for people's private business it seems in your statement.
Translation: "We make the world a dangerous place for you to live (And we want to keep it that way)"
Perfidious, insipid tripe of this kind doesn't bother me. It's the psychopaths who believe they are doing good by choking the life out of every hard-won individual freedom enshrined in law - they are the really dangerous ones.
It is such a dangerous world, that we need to log and archive every phone call, every text, every email and im, and every action you do, banking, hobbies, every purchase you do, anything and everything must be monitored. Because it is so dangerous, you may not even know you are endangering yourself, so keep on doing while we watch everything. Assholes every last one of them. Who are the real traitors in this country, what are the founding principles, and who is destroying them?
It has always been a dangerous world, but the official government human spay and neuter program will fix that......
You're more likely to get a splinter in the head of your pecker than be killed by a terrrrrist.
>>>> Snowden the traitor
>>>> Obama the traitor
Neither. Snowden the INTEL-MSM hoax....
Real name: Emmanuel Goldstein.
Exactly. Hymie has better P.R. I guess.
String up the fudgepacker!!!
... Snowden is an American hero ...
Um yeah... a high school dropout who has access to pretty much everything at NSA. Manages to steal it, contact a journalist and dumps it, but manages to escape to Moscow in the nick of time to his model girlfriend?
You're not looking for any bridges by chance are you? Because we have some great deals right this way....
... the information Mr. Snowden revealed were numerous global surveillance programs and many were (and still being) run by the NSA and the Five Eyes with the cooperation of telecommunication companies and European governments and the ongoing publication of his leaked documents has revealed previously unknown details of a global surveillance apparatus run by the United States' NSA in close cooperation with three of its Five Eyes partners: Australia (ASD), the United Kingdom (GCHQ) and Canada (CSEC) ...
... Mr. Snowden only revealed the truth ... nothing wrong with that ...
... but, if you agree with all these types of illegal (as it was "judged" by a US court) surveillance done by the NSA, that is definitely your prerogative ... but ... thanks, but no thanks ... you can keep your bridges and your bits ... ;)
...and so if the ultimate goal is a total surveillance society passively accepted by the populus then wow! Congrats Ed Snowden because nobody (minus a few "fringe" bloggers) really gives a shit! As long as they have their six pack of Bud and NFL... litmus test successful!
... there can be no worse sight than your own reflection, WB, if you believe that "nobody ... really gives a shit" about illegal activities by the US government ... even the bear and the rabbit in the forest give a shit while they took a dump together ... the bear (named Vlad) goes up to the rabbit (named Brock) and asks, "Do you have problems with shit sticking to your fur?" The rabbit says no, so the bear wipes his ass with the rabbit ... so the cold war began ...
... many people give a shit (me included) that the government has no business in people's personal lives and affairs and whatever was the purpose of his whistleblowing (and only Mr. Snowden would know) has no bearing on the fact that he simply told the truth and informed the whole world of the malicious US surveillance apparatus which degraded a lot of people's confidence in the American version of "freedom and democracy" ... with or without a six-pack Bud and NFL ...
A dropout with unlimited access. Either he was in so far over his head that he was set up before he even started work there, or he was so far ahead of them that he was a mole from the start, or... Something is very wrong with the bits of this we are told to digest as truth.
From reliable sources, people in Snowden's position are scrutinized and monitored extremely closely. Every aspect of their existence. So we is going to go with "Something is very wrong with the bits of this we are told to digest as truth."
"... Snowden is an American hero ...". Nah. Snowden's actions have been a service to humanity, they transcends mere national boundaries.
They've also been bloody hilarious.
Every hero is a threat to the Deep State that runs America
Obama's first job out of college was working for a CIA-front company. He is completely owned by NSA/CIA.
So expect no pardons for whistleblowers from the droner-in-chief.
Obama Has Sentenced Whistleblowers to 25 Times the Jail Time of All Prior U.S. Presidents COMBINEDhttp://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/obama-imprisoned-whistleblowers-t...
Truth is treason in an empire of lies
Steve Wozniak: Edward Snowden is ‘a Hero to Me’
Why Edward Snowden Is a Hero
In revealing the colossal scale of the U.S. government’s eavesdropping on Americans and other people around the world, he has performed a great public service that more than outweighs any breach of trust he may have committed. Like Daniel Ellsberg, the former Defense Department official who released the Pentagon Papers, and Mordechai Vanunu, the Israeli nuclear technician who revealed the existence of Israel’s weapons program, before him, Snowden has brought to light important information that deserved to be in the public domain, while doing no lasting harm to the national security of his country.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/why-edward-snowden-is-a-hero
Anyone remember Gary McKinnon? That is the guy who hacked into NASA computers looking for proof of UFO's. He is still wanted and being pursued for extradition. Do you remember what he found? He found lists of personnel that were on "interplanetary" ships whose names didn't match any known ship names. That message has been scrubbed from the msm over the years and now he is just known as a hacker of gov't computers.
The big secret is what our gov't has been covering up for decades and that is that UFO's are real, that the universe is teaming with life and that technology of these 4th dimensional beings has been back engineered from ships recovered like the Roswell crash. As Ben Rich, CEO of skunk works in area 51 said to a group of MIT alumni in 1993 "we now have the technology to take ET home and it won't take years to do it".
The cabal are the ones behind this effort to suppress our knowledge, IQ and stunting our growth as humans. Ask yourself WHO and WHY would over 5,135 energy related patents be confiscated by the US gov't under the national security act? Towards what purpose does the suppression of efficient energy creation serve and who? These are the questions of our age and we had better start figuring this shit out while we still collectively have the ability to shut these fuckers down.
A great book on the topic of black budgets is "UFO's and the National Security State" by Rich Dolan. Your comments are spot-on. Good to see likeminded people here at ZH.
The Day After Roswell details all the alien technology they found at Roswell. It was Col. Phil Corso's job to seed that technology to industry.
The book is available for free download as a PDF from many sites. Or you can buy from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/The-After-Roswell-Philip-Corso/dp/067101756X
Corso gives a thorough account of not only the alien technology he says was discovered at Roswell, but the bureaucratic processes involved in researching it and putting it to use. He describes how artifacts from Roswell gave earthly science a jumpstart on the integrated circuit chip, the laser, and a host of other technologies, and how these technologies were "seeded" outside the military to eventually better life for the public
again, string up the fudgepacker traitor
Sadly, the WH has concluded the only way forward for the country is to bring back Mr Snowden, chop him up and harves his organs for sale on the black market.
"Forward"
Snowden told the truth, the most dangerous thing possible in this world.
"The balance between our security and the civil liberties that our ideals and our Constitution require deserves robust debate and those who are willing to engage in it here at home."
And yet, due to legislated protocols the U.S. Government quite aggressively prevents such debates, even in courts where those accused to telling the truth (e.g. Chelsea Manning) are persecuted. Please note that Manning's crime of disclosing vids of the reality of war was rewarded with a 35 year prison sentence. Perhaps we should ask the Poser in Chief to pardon her.
"None of the rights outlined in the Constitution are absolute." -Dick Durbin
Know your enemy.
The biggest real danger to us in this world is protecting the criminal bankster class....all are expendable to save them.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-end-of-foi-right-to-k...
Indeed, we live in a dangerous world.
America has directly and indirectly killed more than 15 million people since WWII.
Dangerous indeed!
Yes, we live in a dangerous world, full of criminals and psychopaths in the leading positions staying above the law and forming a corrupt clique of closed crony circles. Even more dangerous is the fact that more and more people realize the true nature of the clique right in the moment when it's started losing control over the epic mess it itself created.
Dangerous indeed!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Monaco
Seriously, this is what the WH has in charge of Homeland Security advice?
They must not have a bot reviewing resumes.
All of these people always have the same names in their past.
Sickening.
pods
I wonder if her eyes follow you around the room, just like the original Mona(co) Lisa.
She apparently is not married.
Perhaps she needs a date.
Any takers?
The people have to beg for a pardon like peasants, but the kings of D.C. still said no deal, because D.C. knows better than us and is just looking out for us. Now the petition signers will slowly slide back in their rock dwellings and go back into complacancy and have D.C. stick a kielbasa up their bungholes.
Who protects us from Monaco? All prosecutors abuse their offices to obtain 90+% conviction rates.
"We continue to face grave security threats like terrorism, cyber-attacks, and nuclear proliferation that our intelligence community must have all the lawful tools it needs to address." lol,lol,lol,,,
Just a bunch of traitorous parasites sucking the life out of the nation of lemmings. Like a lion group hunting will always start at the rear where the weakest are, then work their way forward.
The spooks took control in 1963 and at the stage of the 'game' today,,, it's all over.
Smile,,, Your on Spook Camera!
Authoritarian Regime = Obama Administration
"Mr. Snowden’s dangerous decision to steal and disclose classified information had severe consequences for the security of our country and the people who work day in and day out to protect it." While acknowledging that "this is an issue that many Americans feel strongly about," Lisa Monaco, President Obama’s advisor on homeland security and terrorism, said in a statement, "we live in a dangerous world."
Lisa Monaco is a jew, what else do you need to know?
Could the USSA actually FIND a jury of twelve whistleblower heroes?
He would be immediately be put in a hole with flurorescents 24/7, no clothes, blankets or sheets (might hang himself), and never given a trial because he might disclose something classified to the jury. Besides they can just NDAA detain him forever without a trial, all very legal.
The jury would probably consist of 6 Red Team rednecks who have a blind allegiance to the military going after terrrrists who hate us for our freedom and think that Snowden's revelations help the brown people and 6 Blue Team idiots who hate Snowden fo' dissin' Obama.
Stay away, Snowden. Stay far away.
Defund the Pentagon, the NSA and the DHS. Things would become less dangerous right fukkin' quick.
End the Fed, repeal the 16th Amendment, and defund the whole thing.
"we live in a dangerous world."
We live under a criminal occupier calling itself government It's a pretty rich concept ... asking a criminal occupier for a pardon.
Why did WTC7 fall down?
"Why did WTC7 fall down?"
You just committed an unpardonable sin.
You just committed an unpardonable sin.
Frustratingly difficult to get others to do it. By my informal poll (I ask anyone who wants to engage me on some current event ... to test their information ... propaganda ... sources), only 11 out of 162 people polled know anything about WTC7. 162 out of 162 knew about WTC1&2 and the cavemen flying passenger jets like fighters into the buildings.
I show them the video. I tell them nothing hit WTC7. I tell them it went down at 5:30 that afternoon ... 30 minutes "after" the BBC said it fell. There is always a "non-reaction". Sometimes they ask me if I think we really landed on the moon. Oh yes ... and they always support our troops and pray for their safety.
Try it yourself. It's un-frigging-believable. But they do abandon the current events discussion immediately.
I have been told many times by patriotic Merikans that WTC 7 did not go down.
That's how good the propaganda from the District of Corruption is.
How long had they been in congress?
ironworkers forgot to bolt the i-beams together?
Its a dangerous world because the USA has made it that way with its wars of aggression.
Killig innocent people has blowback.
American morons must think that those families will just forget about it.
Snowden needs to stay where he is. They WILL kill him. no question about that.
The latest according to them is Snowden created the ISIS problem.
What a bunch of fucking morons, them and anyone who believes the blithering horseshit they come up with.
Heard that too,,, Laughed but really it's not funny any more.
I imagine 99% of the population believes them or don't give a shit.
Not sure which is worse any more.
Alinsky's footsoldier-in-chief would like to thank the 167,000 rubes who self-identified for future re-education purposes.
I remember seeing John McCain on CNN say that after a year in Russia Snowden would be an alcoholic and miserable. I saw some pictures where Snowden had a hot blonde on his arm pushing a grocery cart packed with food and beverages to a black Mercedes Benz with the trunk popped open. He had a big smile on his face. Didn't seem to be miserable to me.
Where is CIA when you need them?
Anywhere there is controversy that turns people against other people you can be sure that the clever ones are in the shadow managing the situation.
The clever ones are also the only ones that murder leaders who are a threat to them and normal people who are no threat to them. They do this for sport and power. Normal, sane people, do not do that.
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”"we live in a dangerous world"
Rich with irony.
Nothing like the government telling someone that they have broken the law for exposing the laws the government continues to break.
A government by and for the people - not so much.
When some neocon/neolib gets in a debate about how snowden will cost the lives of Americans home and abroad bc of his revelations be sure to point out how many lives have been actually lost at home and abroad bc of the cesspool of rotten, soulless politicians that reside inside the 495 beltway.
Had he sold cracki and destroyed the lives of numerous children, resident Osukadick would have pardoned him.
State Security is a completely different than National Security. Notice they always conflate the two.
State Security (State Secrecy same, same) is where they hide all their illegal and immoral actions.
Snowden outed them (State Security) which momentarily boosted National Security.
National Security is where the nation as a whole is threatened,,, like destroying the economy, threatening citizens, or provoking Russia, overthrowing legit governments, bombing other Peoples into the stone age. Now that does create enemies and does in fact threaten National Security as we will likely see in the near future.
The point being,,, Government threatens National Security. Whistle blowers boost National Security.
If you aren't filled with fear you must be the enemy.
How does the saying go? "The enemy of my enemy is..."
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Yeah, the world's pretty dangerous.
But it is made far more dangerous by the violence and lies of the Anglo-Zionist Banking and Hypocrisy Empire.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/09/anglozionist-short-primer-for-...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39801.htm
http://www.deliberation.info/domination-strategies-anglo-zionist-empire/
http://mycatbirdseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Israel-not-a-democra...
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http://tinyurl.com/ph7esmg
http://tinyurl.com/o4uhggm
Mr. Snowden’s dangerous decision to steal and disclose classified information had severe consequences for the security of our country and the people who work day in and day out to protect it." While acknowledging that "this is an issue that many Americans feel strongly about," Lisa Monaco, President Obama’s advisor on homeland security and terrorism, said in a statement, "we live in a dangerous world.
Did anyong besides me want to throw up upon reading this?
Government propoganda at its absolute max. This 'spokeperson' is a traitor to the Constitution of the US of A. The one I took an oath to defend, once upon a time. This is beyond sickening, to brand someone a traitor who just pointed out, with facts, that the government of the 'land of the free' is spying on its citizens at a level that would make the Stasi cream its jeans.
Oh gee, this is endangering our war on terror, which requires spying on every single citizen of this country, because you know, someone may be disagreeing with our policies, which makes them a terrorist threat. These treasonous fuckers.
Yet another strategic mistake by Obummer and company.
A pardon might have been spun by the MSM into damaging Snowden's reputation and knowlege while providing public whitewash to return to "business as usual". Now, they have turned many more against the regime.
No wonder the USSA is losing the various "War on <X>" on every front.
Idiots. :-)
I just hope that one day, one of these mouthpieces/government stooges stands up and calls this shit show for what it is which reverberates across the globe to bring it to an end...one must live in hope :)
"we live in a dangerous world" because of our totalitarian/fascist governments
Won't pardon Snowden but you watch, Corzine never so much as questioned.
I know I will get downvoted for this but who is Snowden? He has not really given us any good stuff in a while and the stuff that he has given us was already known.
I do like Jon Rappaport's blog. He is a pretty sharp guy and he thinks Snowden is a See Eye Aye Op against the En Ess Aye. Snowden was an See Eye Aye employee and no one really ever leaves. Ask William Colby when he got whacked in retirement for maybe being a bit too truthful to the Senator FranK Church committee.
The other question is if Snowden is a See Eye Aye op then Putin and Russia are full NWO. I am not bashing, I just don't trust anything these people tell us. Snowden's escape from Hong Kong to Russia seems suspect too.
Jon Rappaport talking about Snowden back in 2013. Believe me - I hope Snowden is a real good guy but the leaked info is not that strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3m30Wld2_M
I think William Binney and Thomas Drake were the real deal.
Drake refused to plea bargain which took incredible courage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake
I hope Snowden is real.
Rappaport seems just a wee bit crazy to me. Snowden is the "real deal", he's too smart to be a CIA op.
In a better world the people of the US would have burned OShitter at the stake already . Snowden, who apparntley never finished high school, is about 100 times more qualified then any pres candidate or the douche in office now
dup
Edward go to prison
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right now
Even Cosby gets a black pardon and the only bigger scum bag is the Catholic Church.
If it is such a dangerous world, how can Hitlery get a "pardon" on using an open unsecured private server capable of opening a hackable door to many deep dark caves within the State Department or even deeper. Worse, she is a candidate for "El Presidente" Oh, there were two secret service agents guarding the server... from physical theft apparently. Decline is an absolutely unbelievable thing looking at it without rose colored glasses. Did the Romans have these same feelings on bread and circuses? Snowden didn't directly give the go to execute people, Hitlery did.
Pardon Manning.
Snowden fled while Manning stood his/her ground.
Snowden was allowed to "flee". He's been very useful to the spooks that are tired of living in the shadows. They're out now, loud and proud about what they're doing, and nobody cares.
Tyrants can tolerate whistle-blowers.
.gov has been busy denying petitions all day, it would seem.
Here's the denial of a petition calling for the right to refuse mandatory vaccination:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/prohibit-any-laws-mandating-fo...
And the Youtube video version as read by Surgeon General Murthy's Elmo(well, one of those two puppets):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFxe-Z8wnBY
What is wrong wwith you people! Didnt you get the memo?! Israeli jew spies get pardoned firrst. Now come on get with the program.
Earth to White House: If you're not going to accomodate the will of the people, FUCK YOU!
Snowden isn't the person who lied under oath before Con-gress. Clapper and Alexander did. Why aren't they in prison?
We do live in a dangerous world - as long as traitorous assholes like Obama* hold high elected office.
*...and Bush, and Clinton, and McCain, and Feinstein, etc.
how about this for a White House Petition
Obama mails his Peace Prize medal back to Norway with a written apology
Wow. How many petitions have been "answered" (DENIED) today alone? If one goes to the site it seems like an inordinate amount. Is one person in charge of these "denials"? What in the actual FUCK is going on?!!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/responses
GMOs, Vaccines, Snowden, Affia Siddiqui, Israel/Palestine peace, ALL DENIED ON THE SAME DAY.
Hundreds of thousands of signatures on these petitions, er...should I say hundreds of thousands of citizens now marked for re-education.
Snowden is Snowball, the "rebel" pig from Animal Farm (who represented Trotsky at the time it was written, I believe).
I do find it intriguing how the US Gov was able to use the idea of a "traitor" to normalize the idea to the American public that the government is spying on everyone all the time. Of course, they couldn't just come out and say it! To do so would be as rediculous as the best Monty Python skit.
A master stroke of evil genius, I'd say.
While the ignorant flag-waving 'Muricans are cussing up Snowden as a traitor, they are being programmed to accept massive intrusions into their personal life, completely unawares. Comrade: pay no attention to the full spectrum privacy violations and data mining when there is a "traitor" to hate!
We are all guilty of something, it's already been noted somewhere in Utah, and will find out just what our own personal infractions are when they no longer require our presence.
Subject: large_wooden_badger
Violations:
1. Voted for Ron Paul 2008.
2. Voted for Ron Paul 2012.
3. requested zerohedge.com account.
4. Drinks too much
5. Generally obnoxious
Disposition:
Scheduled for dissapearence.
The most dangerous thing to Americans' freedom is its own government. Period!
Snowden should get a Peace Prize. That would really piss Obama off
And at the same time, retract the one given to the ShrOb.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-28/white-house-denies-snowden-pardon-petition-warns-we-are-living-dangerous-world … - The most prolific traitors in US history, current arms of gov, have denied perhaps the truest US hero a homecoming
Shaka Zulubama wants a third term!
total tool
I agree,
we DO
"live in a dangerous world."
By far the worst terrorists are governments. That makes our situation far more dangerous, since those who claim to be "protecting" us from "terrorists" are actually the worst of all terrorists.
If, and only if, Lisa Monaco, President Obama’s advisor on homeland security and terrorism, was to review all the publicly available information (and whatever classified information) about the events that happened on 9/11/2001, in order to come to the conclusion and publicly state that it was highly probable that 9/11 was an inside job, false flag attack, would it become possible for the world to stop being so much driven by self-fulfilling prophesies regarding the deliberate creation of the "War on Terror" by the ruling classes, inside of their overall systems of DEBT SLAVERY BACKED BY WARS BASED ON DECEITS.
Globalized civilization is getting way more dangerous every day, due to the degree that it more and more is dominated by the established systems based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS. In that context, people like Snowden only revealed some of the relatively trivial, tips of the icebergs, regarding how and why governments are the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.
Therefore, while I AGREE "we live in a dangerous world," I think that it is WAY MORE DANGEROUS than people like Lisa Monaco state, since people like that are by far the most dangerous, due to their participation in the government of the USA being, by far, the biggest form of organized crime and terrorism on the planet. Since the government of the USA is operated by the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, whose jobs are to carry out the continued integration of the established systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, INDEED, "we live in a dangerous world," since governments are by far the worst gangs of criminals, and terrorists, which could not be arrested by anyone else, and which cannot engage in any reasonable negotiations about anything, due to them being such TOTAL LIARS.
Snowden's revelations barely scratched the surface, while Snowden appears to still believe in typical impossible ideals. The problems that human beings face are that we must necessarily adapt under natural selection pressures, but have actually done so through developing artificial selection systems whose social successfulness was based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds. Within that context, our civilization has become forms of runaway criminal insanities, due to the social successfulness of dishonesty backed by violence becoming more and more psychotically out of touch with the underlying realities of natural selection pressures.
The basic problems are that some death control systems must necessarily exist, due to the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life, while the actually existing death control systems were developed through the history of warfare, whereby the most successful human murder systems were done through the maximum possible deceits and treacheries, which then became the foundation for successful finance to be based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS.
The history of civilization was forged in the crucible of conflicts. The history of civilization was primarily the history of warfare. The oldest book on The Art of War starts by saying "success in war depends upon deceits," and ends by saying "spies are the most important soldiers." Others, like Machiavelli and Clausewitz, elaborated on the same themes, while one of the more recent formulations was that by Vladimirov: "All human history can be portrayed as the history of deception."
Successfully, BACKING UP LIES WITH VIOLENCE enables the boundaries between "pretending" versus "reality" to be blurred and crossed. Successfully TRICKING other people has been the backbone of organized crime, because of the ways that those TRICKS were working inside of the context whereby those facilitated the achievement robberies and murders. The fundamental basis of contemporary civilization is the ability of private banks and the corportions that grew up around those banks, to create the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts for everyone else, while, those FRAUDS ARE ENFORCED by governments, which enables those activities to achieve symbolic robberies. BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE FRAUDS makes the relationships between lies versus truth, or pretending versus reality, become hyper-complicated, because the lies assist the "truth" of the robberies and murders, that are the final physical result of those lies pretending to be the "truth."
SUCCESSFUL LIES SOMEWHAT CREATE REALITY.
HENCE, THERE ARE INTENSE PARADOXES BUILT INTO SOCIAL PYRAMID SYSTEMS BEING BASED ON BEING ABLE TO BACK UP DECEITS WITH DESTRUCTION. FURTHERMORE, THOSE INTENSE PARADOXES ARE AT THE HEART OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOVERNMENTS!
Snowden's presentations continue to operate within the context of taking for granted the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals. While Snowden has revealed some of the superficial evidence that the government of the USA was massively engaged in as much spying on everyone as possible, Snowden's suggested bogus "solutions" to those problems does not admit and address the deeper reasons for how and why those problems exist, and have been getting worse, faster, at an exponentially accelerating rate, as progress in physical science is channeled through sociopolitical systems which were always based upon being able to back up lies with violence. Not only ARE governments the biggest forms of organized crime, and the worst terrorists, but also, they MUST necessarily be. The superficial presentations of people like Snowden reveal some of the evidence that the government of the USA has actually been behaving like that, however, that kind of superficial analysis then continues to present superficial "solutions" to those problems.
Due to the prolonged history of successful warfare based upon backing up deceits with destruction, which then morphed to become successful finance based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS, the established social pyramid systems more and more became dominated by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, such as currently the case with someone like Lisa Monaco. The government of the USA is facing the paradox of final failure from too much success at having been the biggest forms of organized crime and terrorism on the planet. Indeed, the entire human species is headed towards committing collective suicide, due to the degree that progress in physical science has enabled the development of technologies becoming trillions of times more powerful and capable, which are being applied primarily to become better at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence.
The GREAT PARADOX is that natural selection pressures have driven human intelligence to develop artificial selection systems based upon the maximum possible deceits and frauds, which entrenched situation has made it politically impossible to develop better artificial selection systems, in order for the human species to continue to change and adapt within the context of the continuing infinitely greater natural selection pressures.
Within the human world, society is so totally dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit, that it has become politically impossible to have any rational public debates about what our real problems are, since human history has developed the most expedient ways to resolve those real problems through death control systems based on the maximum possible deceits about themselves, in order to back up financial systems based on the maximum possible frauds. INTENSE PARADOXES abound that governments are necessarily the biggest forms of organized crime and terrorism, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals and terrorists. Our society is cruising on autopilot regarding that situation ... which means that it is indeed correct to assert that "we live in a dangerous world," which is actually getting more so at an exponentially accelerating rate.
There must necessarily be some death control systems, with human murder systems as the most extreme manifestation of that. However, the currently existing combined money/murder systems developed to do those by becoming the most extreme forms possible of backing up lies with violence. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for the world to become a less dangerous place unless those who worked within the Government of the USA would stop being such extreme professional hypocrites. However, OBVIOUSLY, as the situation currently exist, Lisa Monaco is actually a member in good standing of the biggest gang of terrorists and criminals on the planet, while projecting the blame for everything solely onto other groups of people, who are currently still lesser gangs of terrorists and criminals.
THE BIG PROBLEMS are that there now exist globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. Within that context, the government of the USA is the biggest single player, which makes the government of the USA the single most dangerous element inside of the FACT that "we live in a dangerous world!" Meanwhile, of course, almost all of the other sociopolitical institutions everywhere else in the world are social pyramids based upon backing up lies with violence, in their own manners, such that there are no other significant groups which are not basically the same as the government of the USA. At the present time, it is politically impossible for there to be better negotiations between the different organized crime gangs that dominate the world, because of the ways that the biggest and best organized crime gangs adamantly refuse to admit those facts about themselves.
Overall, civilization has become runaway criminal insanities, whose psychotic detachment from the relatively real and objected facts are due to the degree to which social success became based upon being able to operate through backing up lies with violence, which was the foundation for the government of the USA to become based on almost nothing but integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which "legalization" did not actually change anything, except that kind of "legalization" demonstrated the degree to which the biggest bullies' bullshit stories were able to dominate society. The essential dilemma is that human beings must necessarily operate some death control systems, which must include the most extreme form of that being the human murder systems.
Those kinds of death controls then back up the monetary systems, because those death controls back up the debt controls. Therefore, there now exist combined murder/money systems based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS. However, doing that after the development of weapons of mass destruction automatically becomes more problematic every day, since the fundamental situation of society being based on ENFORCING FRAUDS never stops those frauds from still being false, but rather, every increment of short-term social success based on being able to continue to ENFORCE FRAUDS results in society as a whole overall become increasingly psychotic.
Snowden, et alia, tend to superficially reveal the ways that the government of the USA has been behaving more and more like criminals and terrorists. However, the basic approach of Snowden, et alia, does not propose any better death control systems. Rather, there tends to be promoted various impossible ideals, that human beings should not operate any death control systems, or that, at least, human beings should not be consciously aware of operating any death control systems. Since that is NOT possible, the only possible genuine solutions would require better militarism, to operate better murder systems, as the most extreme form of better death controls. However, that is NOT possible as long as the dominate systems continue to be done by a core groups of organized criminals and terrorists that are controlling governments, as well as controlling their apparent opposition, because of the degree that such "opposition" stays inside of the same frame of reference regarding the maximum possible deceitfulness about the human death control systems.
The essential dilemmas are that there already exist, and must exist, combined money/murder systems, whose social successfulness depends upon those being done through the maximum possible deceits, and frauds, which, in turn, requires that people like Lisa Monaco be amongst the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. The OVERALL PROBLEM is that progress in physical science continues to enable technologies to get orders of magnitude more capable and powerful, while no surpassing progress in political science is allowed to occur, since the professional hypocrites like Lisa Monaco will surely continue to deliberately ignore the facts that the government of the USA is actually the biggest form of organized crime and terrorism on the planet at the present time, which is mostly covertly controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals and terrorists on the planet.
Hence, the Grand Canyon Chasms between progress in physical science, without surpassing progress in political science, continues to get wider and WIDER! Therefore, the secret police that actually work for the secret government of the USA are automatically becoming more criminally insane and psychotic every day, while there is almost nothing which is publicly significant to resist that kind of core of organized crime and terrorism than various controlled opposition groups, who still think within the same frame of reference of false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals.
The basic relationship between natural selection and artificial selection systems is becoming more hyper-complicated every day, while that has overall become almost inconceivably crazy and corrupt, due to the long history of previously successful warfare based upon deceits, enabling previously successful finance to be based on frauds. The basic issue is that money is necessarily measurement backed by murder, while that basic issue is deliberately ignored and denied, as much as possible, by almost everyone who works within their specialized labour domain to operate those sociopolitical systems. OF COURSE, that would especially apply to someone who was currently like "Lisa Monaco, President Obama’s advisor on homeland security and terrorism!" Within the general context that the established systems are run by professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, someone like Lisa Monaco would have to be one of the available All-Stars at doing that.
Ghadaffi's last speech
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GADDAFFI’S LAST FORMAL SPEECH – THIS IS VERY MOVING! In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful… For 40 years, or was it longer, I can’t remember, I did all I could to give people houses, hospitals, schools, and when they were hungry, I gave them food. I even made Benghazi into farmland from the desert, I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Ronald Reagan, when he killed my adopted orphaned daughter, he was trying to kill me, instead he killed that poor innocent child. Then I helped my brothers and sisters from Africa with money for the African Union. I did all I could to help people Understand the concept of real democracy, where people’s committees ran our country. But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and other visitors, that they needed "democracy" and "freedom" never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup. No, no matter what I did, it was never enough for some, but for others, they knew I was the son of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the only true Arab and Muslim leader we’ve had since Salah-al-Deen, when he claimed the Suez Canal for his people, as I claimed Libya, for my people, it was his footsteps I tried to follow, to keep my people free from colonial domination – from thieves who would steal from us. Now, I am under attack by the biggest force in military history, my little African son, Obama wants to kill me, to take away the freedom of our country, to take away our free housing, our free medicine, our free education, our free food, and replace it with American style thievery, called "capitalism" ,but all of us in the Third World know what that means, it means corporations run the countries, run the world, and the people suffer. So, there is no alternative for me, I must make my stand, and if Allah wishes, I shall die by following His path, the path that has made our country rich with farmland, with food and health, and even allowed us to help our African and Arab brothers and sisters. I do not wish to die, but if it comes to that, to save this land, my people, all the thousands who are all my children, then so be it. Let this testament be my voice to the world, that I stood up to crusader attacks of NATO, stood up to cruelty, stoop up to betrayal, stood up to the West and its colonialist ambitions, and that I stood with my African brothers, my true Arab and Muslim brothers, as a beacon of light. When others were building castles, I lived in a modest house, and in a tent. I never forgot my youth in Sirte, I did not spend our national treasury foolishly, and like Salah-al-Deen, our great Muslim leader, who rescued Jerusalem for Islam, I took little for myself… In the West, some have called me "mad", "crazy", but they know the truth yet continue to lie, they know that our land is independent and free, not in the colonial grip, that my vision, my path, is, and has been clear and for my people and that I will fight to my last breath to keep us free, may Allah almighty help us to remain faithful and free". My brothers and sisters let's start loving more of each other and stop killing each other cause Europe America and other western world will never want to see sunshine of Africans...
He should come home to the United States, and be judged by a jury of his peers --
Go ahead you gutless whimps, why not try him in absentia? I'm absolutely sure he would be present via video. Let's see how "fairly" your US kangaroo kourt conducts its business. Lets see what it takes to assemble a "jury of his peers". I wuold so dearly love the opportunity to let you gutless whimps impale yourselves on your own petard.
Why bother even acknowledging the petition when it's so much fun to just carry on this nonsensical distraction known as Snowden the Hero/Villian?
Snowden is a hero who should be free from punishment. I'm so sick and fucking tired of beuruacrats using national security to cover up their fucking crimes. This needs to be an amendment to the consitution, no national security breach will be prosecuted if the breach reveals evidence that a felony is being comitted, regardless of the national security rating. Doubly, if using national security rating is being used to cover up a felony, that is also a felony.
the only thing dangerous in this country is the fucking black hitler in the whitehouse.
But it is the evil satanic American Empire that has created all that that information ( or rather truth). Truth cannot be hidden. Even those whose die with bitter truth , taking it in their bosom, have to stand stark naked in the afterlife.
But who cares about afterlife ? , Fcuk the EU , Fcuk the EW(entire world)
But when you yourself get fcuked up then you raise the hallaballoo and blame everyone and send bombers , nuclear bombs and executions , because you are rich, & rich are blameless?
The judgement day nears, let Armageddon begin.
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Btw America is already going to hell , especially White House :
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150728101212.htm