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Did Planned Parenthood Just "Hack" Its Own Website As A Publicity Stunt?
Three days ago, when we reported on an alleged DDOS attack by a disgruntled, New York-hating hacker which took down and kept the website of NY Magazine offline for over half a day, we asked rhetorically if we won't see more such episodes used however as a publicity stunt with the explicit blessing of the "target":
" ...perhaps getting hacked is becoming a good marketing campaign: three weeks ago the market was shocked when the NYSE went offline for a record 4 hours, with speculation this may be due to a Chinese hack attack, before it was revealed that an incompetent software update was the culprit, and that virtually nobody trades on the NYSE anyway.
For today's struggling media, this may be an easy way to generate if not clicks (after all the site is down in the period in question), then at least publicity. And how soon until we read about the first case of that "black hats" being quietly retained by the targets of their hacking exploits, to result in a win-win outcome for all involved?"
It appears we may have been not too far off the mark, as allegations surfaced overnight that a prominent entity may have fabricated just such a "hacking" of its own website for media publicity and unknown ulterior motives.
Only it was not a media company as we mused, but the pro-abortion group Planned Parenthood, which over the past several weeks has been embroiled in a scandal emanating from several videos showing executives discussing how the organization provides fetal organs to researchers, and describe the harvesting and sale of aborted fetal body parts, which two weeks ago led to a Congressional investigation. A fourth video in the series was released earlier today.
As Sean Davis of the Federalist reports, Planned Parenthood claims on several of its websites that the organization’s web operations have been attacked by "extremists" but this so-called hacking has all the hallmarks of an orchestrated public relations stunt. A cursory check of the website moments ago shows it stating that "Our normal site is currently undergoing maintenance."
What makes this hack unique, however, is that "numerous people on Twitter pointed to evidence suggesting that this so-called hack wasn’t a hack at all."
Their site is so hacked right now that someone has been rearranging CSS fonts and alignment. pic.twitter.com/7vxO4siXJH
— Stephen Miller (@redsteeze) July 30, 2015
@AllianceDefends @ChoosingHats @seanmdav pic.twitter.com/OlVwLPlaxg
— Manny Garza (@Boldmanny316) July 30, 2015
The Federalist further notes that a review of the source code of the main page that appears at PlannedParenthood.org shows that as of 9:30 a.m. today, the page is listed as a “Campaign” and uses a specific template named “Site Down Tempalte” (the typo is theirs). The same page then directs visitors to the Facebook page of Planned Parenthood Action Fund, the political fundraising arm of the nation’s largest abortion provider. The web page for PPAF–which can be accessed via both plannedparenthoodaction.org and ppaction.org–repeats the same hacking claims and contains the exact same source code and template used on the PlannedParenthood.org page."
And that’s where Planned Parenthood’s hacking facade begins to crumble. On the splash page declaring that the organization was hacked, visitors are asked “Why do you stand with Planned Parenthood” and invited to share their stories on a separate page housed at ppaction.org.
And wouldn’t you know it, that page functions perfectly. No sign of hacking. No sign of intrusion. Just a perfectly functional and secure web page that exists solely to build Planned Parenthood’s mailing list:
Even though ppaction.org redirects to a page saying the site was hacked, the domain still house a perfectly functional URL and page that are being actively used to help build Planned Parenthood’s fundraising list. Coincidentally, this “hacking” happened just days after Planned Parenthood decided to hire a PR firm, SKDKnickerbocker, to help manage its response to the widening baby organ trafficking scandal.
The article's conclusion: "Planned Parenthood says it’s been hacked by “extremists,” but a review of the publicly available evidence suggests that the only things being hacked at Planned Parenthood right now are perfectly healthy and viable unborn babies."
If confirmed that the anti-abortion group did indeed sabotage their own website (which they have every right to since it is their property) to achieve a certain media goal, one should inquire how else is Planned Parenthood eager to score empathy points with the public, and what other shortcuts may the foundation with an annual budget of $1 billion as recently as 2009, be taking?
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Fuck them extremist baby crunching mother fuckers. There's a special place in hell for those bastards.
This public relations campaign by PP suits me fine, after all, I just put in a darknet order for fetal stem cells to cure my own cancer. I only did this because they accepted Bitcoin, after all, I wouldn't want to abuse the unborn by purchasing with debt.
And watch the typos Tyler. Planned Parenthood is clearly not anti-abortion (last paragraph) as they need the fetal tissue to meet orders...
What's a few lies amoung Murderers?
When social engineering, it's any by means necessary to re-educate/indoctrinate the unwashed n unenlightened.
When things get serious, you have to lie.
Left-wing anger at killing a lion*, but tremendous support of murder for money of unborn living children for commercial tissue**.
God really is gonna strike mankind down, even if he doesn't exist.
* Entirely justified
** You gotta be fucking kidding me
Makes ur head explode, dunnit?
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of the evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and goodwill, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!"
-Book of Ezekiel via Pulp Fiction
Rolling eyes... Pulp Fiction... REALLY....
"It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men." - Frederick Douglass
Better? ;-)
Pieces of FUCKING shit - for real!
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And the controlled manistream media is blasting how this dentist killed Cecil the Lion (no disrespect, i love animals too) and the masses are going berserk over that...
but,
Planned Parenthood top officials talking about harvesting, the methods used and selling aborted baby parts while having dinner and a glass of wine like it was something trivial
<crickets chirping>
Seriously, W in T flying F?!?!
Zero media coverage on the news feed on FB for the 1 BILLION users that use that newsfeed as their ONLY source of 'news' and whats going on in the world today. But Cecil is plastered all over the place.
.
Shocking, horrific, terrible.
Sad.
They sell baby parts for Lamborghini sized profits, sure, but this, this outrageous accusation of 'false flag self-hacking' is just over-the-top unbelievable. /s
Wha?? You mean you hate lions? How could you?
Or maybe it's non differentiating sentimentalist progressivist shitheads you can't abide?
Me neither
Nothing but Murder of the Innocent for Money
Not only shocking, horrific, tragic and sad, but in direct breach of man's most fundamental compact with God, then justified with the most terrible temooral sin of all, one's very own Dispensaiton of Indulgences, justifying such in any way shape or form
It's all for the children dontcha know.
Thanks Blotto. Many thanks
Planned Parenthood is a huge business that is also supported by most of us, taxpayers...
Personally I think that Planned Parenthood is barbaric. But why is all the angst being focused on them on not the women who actually have abortions? I can't get a straight answer to that. Even one of the blond bimbos on Fox (code named Meg) said something the other night about the women "donating tissue" and went on to excoriate PP. Doesn't the responsibility ultimately rest with the women who drives herself to PP, walks through the door under her own power and "donates the tissue"?
Which is worse, the person who injects the heroin into his own veins, or the one who gives that person their first free dime bag and shows them how to shoot up?
Planned Parenthood takes advantage of the scared, poor, and desperate. There is nothing more despicable.
"But whoever causes the downfall of one of these little ones who believe in Me--it would be better for him if a heavy millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea!" -- Matthew 18:6
So personal responsibility doesn't count? My own daughter who is far from "scared, poor and desperate" had an abortion because being pregnant was going to be inconvenient to her career goals. There is a segment of women who have abortions for the reasons that you articulated but I don't think it's as big a percentage as you think.
I feel quite strongly, were I in your position I would feel like a failure as a parent.
Yes. Abortion is murder. Feticide in the family is as much of a disgrace as a murder in the family.
It is interesting that you have got a number of down votes for what are reasonable questions.
However, in relation to your daughter you did not tell us at what stage she had her abortion and that makes a difference.
In the first few months we are not dealing with a sentient, feeling being, so I personally have no disagreement with abortion at that stage. But in late stage pregnancy, which is the stage evoking all the outrage at what PP is doing, we are clearly dealing with a human being and at that point abortion is murder. Not only is it murder, it is murder in the most cruel way.
Perhaps you should inform yer Daughter that abortion is NOT a good method of birth control. Most Doctors will tell you that more than one abortion will make it quite difficult for a woman to carry a wanted child to term later on.
Fuck you abortion people. Seriously.
Planned parenthood: "black livers matter"
Margaret Sanger's dirty little secret.
+ a billion
BOOM!!
If it just happened, how would they already know it was "extremists" doing it?
Because only extremists would dare oppose anything Planned Parenthood does?
This "attack" is as phony as a three dollar bill. I hope everyone gets a GOOD LOOK at how these deeply indocrinated liberal/statists behave. I mean just look at this bullshit. There is NOTHING they won't say or do. Including selling body parts of aborted fetuses for their own profit, despite being both reprehenisble and explicitly against federal law.
I don't care what your beliefs are about abortion. This isn't about that. This is about how people act when the deep state has protected them half of forever. Peel that back and what do you have? People like this. Scumbags. Liars. Thieves. Vultures. If they were any worse they'd be bankers.
Nodebt: You have to admit that it IS pretty extreme if you do not want to chop up "delivered" babies for parts. Chopping them up and sorting through the parts is not extreme. Opposing it is extreme.
There are times to use the boilerplate terms like "extremist". Then there are other times it makes you look like complete helpless idiots when you resort to the standard template.
Because objecting to them slicing up living 2nd trimester babies like a roasting chicken and selling off their organs and body parts is such an extremist moral position.
This kind of barbaric shit goes on all the time and I tell people it does. Few believe me. A video clip or other evidence comes out.... Suddenly more people are "outraged" about the things that have been going on for decades, millions of times over.
This is similar to cops / cop culture being expose for it's ultra-violence, extreme lies, and life-destroying actions they perpetrate against largely or entirely innocent people on a daily basis. 10 years ago most people, including those that inhabit the internet, would have been neutral or openly pro-cop, but after X-thousands of videos of cop abuse, suddenly more people are "outraged". Yes, it's good a few people are becoming more aware of their surroundings, but it just takes a mountain of evidence to avalanche on their face to believe it. I could have told people this kind of barbarism was going on at PP because I know the people that support it and work there, but at least someone got solid PROOF for the disbelieving "skeptics".
There are a lot of things like this going on behind closed doors, but wont be believed until it slaps them in the face. Here at ZH I like to think we are a little ahead of the curve. Many of us know what's coming.
How about when Vice works with pimps and supplies drugs to them to use to put young women on the street--14 -15 yr olds being sold--getting pregnant and then having the pimp pick up a fee for running them into PP for the "parts dept." inventory restock.
The evil in this world is beyond the average human's comprehension---
Same shit goes on with transplant tissue post auto accidents, etc.
The person is declared dead and cut up without a electroencephalographic reading, brain still registering all the pain and torture.
This, I was so informed of and confirmed by a number of Governmental Health Department employees (senior) and Chief Medical Officers at major hospitals whom I personally know
Do Not Donate Your Organs or You Might Be Cut Up Alive
Murder
I got wind of that the other day via DNR/ACA.
Gotta get those directives amended post haste!
I've always considered this to be a possibility, or just the simple fact they may not try quite as hard to save you if they needed one of your organs for an order. Therefore I do not "donate".
like a roasting chicken...
Website Twitchy says this Planned Parenthood quote from the third video says it all:
"I think a per-item thing works a little better, just because we can see how much we can get out of it." – Dr.Ginde
http://twitchy.com/2015/07/28/just-this-one-quote-from-shocking-planned-parenthood-video-says-it-all-what-i
‘IT’S ANOTHER BOY!': 4th Planned Parenthood video released and they just keep getting worse [video]
Posted at 10:15 am on July 30, 2015 by Twitchy Staff
“Ginde also admits on video that some of the organ harvesting takes place on babies delivered intact and potentially alive first, which would violate the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act (a little George Orwell here), which went into effect in 2002. Note well that this contains disturbing imagery, starting at 8:40 on the video, much of which was included in the previous video, but some of which is new. Among the latter is the technician chortling, ‘And another boy!’ it’s stomach-turning on many levels…”
http://twitchy.com/2015/07/30/its-another-boy-4th-planned-parenthood-video-released-and-they-just-kee
Josh Earnest calls the Planned Parenthood video release "fraudulent."
http://twitchy.com/2015/07/30/what-did-josh-earnest-seriously-just-say-this-about-ghastly-planned-parenthood
When it becomes serious, you have to lie.
Seriously though, somewhere along the line it just became acceptable to lie and lie and then when you finally get caught to lie some more. In every recent case it seems the liar just gets away with it. In the past it sometimes happened because they were powerful or had connections.
Now, its more like no one gives a shit. Liberals will give them a pass because they are "doing good work" and Conservatives will scream about baby jesus and "homo marriage" until the legitimate part of their outrage is drowned out and the tech websites will focus on how *kewl* it is to live in an age when such hijynx are possible.
This is the true moral degradation of our culture. We deserve to live with the results.
FWTTB wrote:
"This is the true moral degradation of our culture. We deserve to live with the results."
Oh, yes, we are living with the results and we will continue to do so.
I'm surprised McCain didn't have this on his laptop too.
I think this is a mistake,"Only it was not a media company as we mused, but the anti-abortion group Planned Parenthood,"
should be: Pro abortion
PP must be getting CIA advice and support.
Identify and destroy.
PP is a NGO and the government will defend it covertly.
Caught red-handed - bwahaha! The sheep are not as stupid as you might think!
Now, if they follow the typical liberal line of reasoning, after being caught with their pants down, the next phase will be denial, then blaming someone else and when that fails too, the final tantrum will be the ubiquitous and loud VULGARITY and THREATS! Whee!
Classic. the feminist crowd pulls this type of stunt quite often, get their press and when they get outed it the lie just dies, the PC MSM including the white knight right just ignores it as best as possible, sometimes in other false narratives like in the high profile false rape accusations that keep imploding, they will report it to maintain some credibility and let the issue die. The planned parenthood debacle may have some political legs...
It is a good thing to have a historical, searchable interweb.
The daily outrages may be thankfully forgotten, like childhood trauma, death of a loved one, or a complete failure. Time and the ability to move on is a mental salvation.
However I wish to have some road direction to Dante's Nine Circles of Hell so that I can avoid the areas where the abortion parts sellers, and innovative banking product salesmen, and Modern politicians are to reside for eternity.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/juliapugachevsky/which-circle-of-hell-will-you-g...
Exactly, if you can connect dots and are not the in the willful ignorant camp the reality is available.
Here we go...
The Website Is Down - Sales Guy vs. Web Dudehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SNxaJlicEU&list=PLUoLVDw98mFldkXExiD54F...
Planned Parenthood is just population control.
- Gates Foundation and Open Society Foundations
Culling the herd, if you will. Ask jolly ol' uncle Warren Buffet. He loves population control.
Gates has long openly been supportive of vaccinations being salted with birth control chemicals be dispensed in poor countries ....
You can see him on a TED talk saying so on YouTube
Now it's implants
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/07/09/gates-foundation-pushes-population-co...
We have entered a dark age of failed morality .....
We Love Big Brother, don't we Winston? It's that or rats, Winston. Which'll it be? Or maybe an extended holiday at Hillary's Fun Camp. Either way, Loving Big Brother is Your Only Living Choice, Winston.
When being a victim is a path to power, those whose desire for power is much greater than their personal dignity resort to any lengths to position themselves as "victims." Out of control victim empowerment means we are essentially ruled by those whose desire for power is greater than their personal dignity.
Maybe they took a page from the ADL/SPLC
Keep hate alive!
{our cushy jobs depend on it!}
It was a totally unPlanned Parenthood
Barbaric! But seriously, PP is as backwards and barbaric as the worst times in human history. Wrapping themselves in a skin of propaganda and lies does not change the fact they are literally ripping babies to pieces. Clearly ripping still-living babies limb from limb was not sufficiently perverse and murderous, they chose to sell their victim's corpses for money.
Anyone who believes "times have changed" in an substantial way regarding over-all human behavior on a large scale is sadly mistaken. If anything, humanity is worse now that it has ever been. We just have highly advanced propaganda, euphemisms, and circuitous logic to explain away the evils being perpetrated. Abortion, for the purposes of merely "not wanting that baby" is murder. If not, then let us also rationalise slavery, wars of aggression, genocide, and any act of violence or theft against innocent individuals as well.
The individual is the smallest minority, especially the defenseless young, and if we value our own Life and Liberty it is our duty to defend other's who or are threatened as well. If we make exceptions (excuses) not to defend others who are in need of defense then it is we who are unworthy of defense when our Lives and Liberty are threatened.
Well said, Relic. I would assert that mankind is not actually any smarter or more advanced in nature than the beginning of history. While we have progressed technologically and have more knowledge available, the lowest human vices are still readily visible. The rationales and rhetoric have improved, but that is all.
I bet it's that horrible "Confederate" flag acting up again!!!!
"Planned Parenthood" ?
Planned Murderhood
Banned Motherhood
If you google the site, looking for sub-links in the results, those seem to work with the addition of the 'down for maintenance' message. It certainly would let me donate or find a local clinic, if that's what I was looking to do. I call bullshit or worst hack ever.
Hopefully they are ramping up for a huge marketing push in the inner cities of Baltimore, Charleston and Fergeson
I doubt it. This is just going to be another right-wing takedown of a leftist organization.
The fascists won't be happy until only the well-connected and the elite can have abortions. Everybody else will have to rely upon back alleys and coathangers.
Consdering that abortion makes up a small percentage of Planned Parenthood's services, this is also another anti-woman attack. Led by the anti-woman party, the GOP - aka the "Gentleman's Only Party". Or at least that's what it should be.
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. If you think that cutting people up while they're still alive is a good thing, then you are scum and should be banished from civilized society.
Birth control is free. In 21st centuray america, literally everyone knows how babies are made. That includes my 6 year old nephew, thanks to 'school'. There is no excuse for an unplanned pregnancy. Even in cases of rape, emergency contraception is available at any hospital.
For fuck's sake, how hard is it to take a pill or wear a condom? How does someone's rank stupidity absolve them of the crime of murdering their own child?
But...but....babies aren't people. Neither are blacks, indians, asians, women, elderly, or enemies of the king, etc. When people "rationalize" away a person's PERSONHOOD, they open the same up for THEMSELVES and everyone else. You cannot denegrate some people to less-than-human and not expect it to continue to all types of people. If people are to be condemened it should be based upon their actions, not their age, race, gender, etc.
Exactly! It is a continuum. If you can kill them at one stage it takes very little rationale to kill them at another. If worthless near birth, then worthless after birth.
Mengele and his pals are just part of the continuum. You don't see a Mengele on the opposite side of the abortion debate. You would find those like him on the same side. It is rationally consistent.
What would you expect from someone who lives in Pittsburgh?
It's not like they lead the country in rocket scientists or morality.
Drrrrrrrrrr, Are you ready for some football
Isn't there a doner fee or finders fee or support of some kind or something that puts money in the hands of someone who comes in or brings someone in for an abortion?? I thought I heard that some where---might be some one here can cast light on that.
This statement is proof that progressive liberalism is a disease with no cure.
I doubt it. This is just going to be another right-wing takedown of a leftist organization.
Jesus Goddamn Christ. It's about flushing out evil. Slicing up infants is fucking evil. Selling their parts is worse. Defending it is inexcusable.
Consdering that abortion makes up a small percentage of Planned Parenthood's services, this is also another anti-woman attack.
Continue to smoke, Tsar. It is you "leftists" that branded abortion as a woman's issue. It's not. It is about killing babies/denying life - mostly for convenience, veiled by the false rationale of 'cases of incest' and other ruses.
Tell us, o wise one, what percent of services should abortion make up? How many abortions is the 'right' number. Should your mother have aborted you? Please explain in 300 words or less why that would have been nothing more than her exercising her 'right'.
Abortions. Is. What. Planned. Parenthood. Does. Everything else is misdirection to imply nobility and balance. To not see that is willful ignorance. Which is exactly how abortion became the Law of the Land.
I wonder how many know that Norma McCorvey NEVER had an abortion, and is the most anti-abortion person who walks the planet.
mostly for convenience---change to ---mostly for profit---
there--fixed it for you.
The reason the 'patients' go is for convenience. To cover up their choices. That it's profitable is why PP and like institutions continue to exist.
The filth of planned parenthood is washing away.
Indeed. Then we'll be left with the remnants of unwanted/unplanned pregnancies, broken familes because of them, higher social spending, higher crime rates, higher STD rates, more suicides and unhealthy women, and an overall lower IQ level for the Average American.
Mission soon to be accomplished!
That's only after the ninth kid, the first 8 are money in the bank thus are kept alive
I have heard converations where women were "debating" about whether to "keep", i.e. NOT MURDER their child or just use them to collect $$$ from government taxes.
And you think being able to MURDER your own child ENCOURAGES responsiblity and will reduce "unwanted/unplanned pregnancies, broken familes because of them, higher social spending, higher crime rates, higher STD rates, more suicides and unhealthy women, and an overall lower IQ level for the Average American."
Yes, do elucidate further. .
Unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.
As if it's the luck of the draw or something.
They just hired some DC based Crisis firm....I'd be surprised if this wasn't an ADVISED action to garner sympathy and support. On another note, these people make me fucking sick and I hope Satan has a cactus dildo waiting for each one of them.
Obama and Hillary are old abortion for gain proponents, just look at Benghazi for proof.
What is Obama's voting record on abortion??? from the Washington Post:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_voting_reco...
The Illinois branch of the Planned Parenthood organization has given him a "100 percent" pro-choice voting rating and depicted the present votes as part of a previously agreed strategy to provide political cover for other legislators.
Under the rules of the Illinois legislature, a present vote effectively functions as a no vote because only yes votes count toward passage of a bill. Legislators vote "present" rather than "no" for a variety of tactical reasons, including making it more difficult for their political opponents to use their votes against them in campaign advertisements.
"We worked on the 'present' vote strategy with Obama," said Pam Sutherland, chief lobbyist for the Illinois branch of Planned Parenthood, an abortion rights group. "He was willing to vote 'no', and was always going to be a 'no' vote for us."
Sutherland said Planned Parenthood calculated that a 'present' vote by Obama would encourage other senators to cast a similar vote, rather than voting for the legislation. "They were worried about direct mail pieces against them. The more senators voted present, the harder it was to mount an issues campaign against the senator."
Dr. Mengela would be proud. Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry is no different than Hitler and his gouhls. I know it's an old saw to compare something barbarous to the Nazis but this one fits. 50 million and counting.
No, no, no...
You got that all wrong.
It's not an industry.
It's affordable health care.
Just look at the 100 yr old freak that can afford to utilize it to eternity.
Welcome to the neo Medevil age
Maybe they'll hang some nooses and Confederate Battle Flags around door handles, and then burn some crosses in front of their slaughterhouses for good measure...
maybe all those #blacklivesmatter mouth breathers should take a long hard look at their democrat house masters and ask why they fund PP?
http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html
The black lives matter folks don't care about unborn babies. They're the same ones killing their own unwanted pregnancies.
The BLM nutters can't think past their next free government meal. Oh, and they're angry. They can't think of why they're angry, but lookout. Somebody has got to pay.
That someone is whitey. Funny thing is white 'progressives' think they'll be spared. Fools.
Isn't Planned Parenthood pro-abortion?
Just askin'.
They consider me an "extremeist" if I believe in the sanctity of human life/ That I find selling fetal organs to the highest bidder beyond reprehensible? How FUCKING ugly, disgusting and VILE!
We slice babies to ribbons.
We sell their parts for money.
We look down our noses at the rest of you.
We're oblivious to our evil.
But YOU are the "extremist".
I'm 35 and have never experienced society calling good evil and evil good to such a level.
How do we survive with our humanity intact after this?
The white house literally blamed the people who made the videos.
It's beyond sickening.
Even if God doesn't exist, he will strike man down in retribution for his boundless evil ways.
Through an envoy, i suppose.
Before everybody gets their panties in a bunch did anybody happen to look up who runs the company that harvests the baby parts.
Stem Express is the company
CEO is Cate Dyer who's sister is Charlotte Ivancic and she used to work for Congressmen Paul Ryan and John Beonher.
So does it really matter who you vote for Dems or Repubs. The real question is where is the market for baby parts and who is benefiting from the parts. I'm going to bet its the same shitheads that run the banking, media and social programs in the US.
By the way both of these women had Wiki pages this morning and now they have vanished.
Excellent digging Jameson.
IT GETS WORSE...
http://stemexpress.com/stemexpress-granted-temporary-restraining-order-a...
Libertarians Should Look Twice at Planned Parenthood Defunding Efforts
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/30/will-planned-parenthood-be-defunded
Planned Parenthood and Our Abortion Choices
http://reason.com/archives/2015/07/30/planned-parenthood-and-our-abortio...
For all the talk about the "false left/right divide" - abortion is one of those issues that makes it plain that there is definitely "left" and "right" libertarianism.
The Fox News/Religious Right crowd aren't really libertarians in my book, but I also figure no one elected me King of Deciding Who is a Liber.
By the way, how much does Uncle Sugar spend on women's health initiatives versus men's health and presuming there is a large disparity, why isn't that both immoral and violative of the 14th Amendment?
just askin'
I thought Obamacare was going cover "womens health"? Why do we need PP if we have the ACA?
Spending money on women's health initiatives that address the increase in our population by their giving birth seems like an important use of funds. Allowing them to have access to contraceptives through organizations like Planned Parenthood saves a lot of money in the long run, if it means mothers don't have to go on welfare to raise unwanted children.
In any case, the Supreme Court has never made a decision on whether health care is a right under the 14th Amendment, but many argue that denial of the right deprives the poor of equal protection under the law. Since the court has held that equal potection includes the right to procreate, use contraception, have an abortion and maintain bodily integrity, it could be argued that this implies a right to health care.
Just sayin'.
There is probably no circumstance under which you would find the theft of public monies abhorrent but doesn't it give you pause in the least when you look back at what you just wrote?
You just advocated a position that is pretty damned close to "poor people shouldn't make babies" and since it's your gawd given duty as a prog to provide cradle to grave assistance to the poor, while expanding state "services" and bureaucracies and taxation in a straight line UPWARD FOREVER you will come to the conclusion sooner or later that the state has the power (and it will be quite legal) to forcibly sterilize the poor as a government cost savings in the future.
One step away from eugenics, Margaret Sanger would be impressed.
Except, of course, I also advocate for free prenatal care for women who want to have a baby, as part of what I would consider to be the right to health care which is assured by the 14th Amendment. And I see the current system of health care, with the bloated, unnecessary and monopolistic insurance industry extracting a huge chunk of health care dollars and lack of negotiation with Big Pharma for lower drug costs, to be much worse than the "bureauocracy" you are so afraid of. All one has to do is look at how much cheaper the rest of the world is able to provide universal health care to their citizens for the same outcomes to see the benefits.
Offering contraception allows women the ability to choose when they are ready to have children, which is a far cry from your morbid scenario.
As for the pro-life crowd, I respect the opinion of this Catholic nun over that of the majority of people who support it. Maybe if they sold it this way, I would be a little more sympathetic. As it is, they sound like a bunch of hypocrites.
"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/30/1407166/-Catholic-Nun-Explains-Pr...
If it had been hacked, you would have seen body parts.
You should stand for PP cuz DavidRottenfeller needs a new heart as soon as it's been cultered & ready to harvest.
Missing chillens gettin too hot.
Oh, wait...
"Eye wanta LAMBoregeenie."
Thank you (almost) all for making the right chioce with respect to the morality at hand.
It is inspiring.
Planned Parenthood's PR firm has a rather unpleasant client roster:
SKDKnickerbocker is a progressive public relations and political consulting firm that specializes in working for Democratic Party politicians
[...]
SKDK's current and former political clients include Barack Obama, Andrew Cuomo, Michael Bloomberg, Christine Quinn.[5] The firm was reportedly hired by women's rights and birth control advocate Sandra Fluke.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKDKnickerbocker
So, here's hoping that Planned Parenthood's website hack doesn't lead to a Clintonesque wipeout of all their baby part customers. I'd like to know which pharma companies buy dead babies....Oh...it's likely these vaccine players:
USA & CANADA - ABORTED FETAL CELL LINE PRODUCTS
https://cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf
Star studded!
PP is now judge shopping to hide its activities; gets restraining order. But..
Despite restraining order, anti-abortion group releases fourth Planned Parenthood video | CNN politics
(CNN)An anti-abortion group released its fourth video Thursday claiming that Planned Parenthood is selling fetal tissue.
Following a similar format to the previous three clips, the edited video shows actors posing as researchers speaking with the Dr. Savita Ginde, who was at least at one time medical director of a Planned Parenthood branch in Denver.
Like the previous videos, this one also came from the Center for Medical Progress, an anti-abortion group accusing Planned Parenthood of breaking the law by selling aborted fetal tissue. …
A court issued a temporary restraining order Tuesday preventing the Center for Medical Progress from releasing videos featuring leaders of a California company that provides fetal tissue to researchers.
David Daleiden, leader of the anti-abortion group, said Planned Parenthood is using the courts to hide illegal activity. …
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/politics/planned-parenthood-fourth-video/
NOTE:
WASHINGTON — David Daleiden, founder of the Center For Medical Progress (CMP), told conservative talk radio host Sean Hannity Tuesday there are nine more sting-operation videos that reveal Planned Parenthood’s operations.
“We have close to 300 hours total of undercover video that was gathered during a 30 month long in depth investigative journalism study of how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of the babies they abort,” Daleiden said, noting that each highlight video released will have the full footage posted on their website without any edits.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/29/michael-savage-to-trump-youre-the-winston-churchill-of-our-time/
+ 9 (more videos)
Nice digging, JR.
Abortion is legal. Get over it. No matter how the bible thumpers feel, that won't change. Shutting down Planned Parenthood funding will just make it harder for poor women to get one, and maybe some will resort to more barbaric methods of doing it.
Harvesting fetal tissue from abortions to contribute to research is also legal. There is no evidence that Planned Parenthood is "profiting" from it. To defend themselves, they have requested that the National Institute of Health convene a panel of independent experts to study the issues.
"In the late 1980s, an NIH panel studying fetal tissue transplants for studying Parkinson's diseases said the research was acceptable, saying such experiments were promising and did not influence women's decisions to have abortions. It recommended guidelines aimed at preventing commercial sales of fetal tissue and separating the decisions about having an abortion and donating the organs."
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-presses-planned-parenthood-aid-ban-faces-long-...
They have no reason to pull a "publicity stunt" to shut down their site. I see nothing to gain from it. Typical this kind of propaganda gets stirred up around an election cycle. Also typical that so many people who haven't looked into the issue jump on board the propagandist's wagon.
I think you are the one who has soaked a bit too long in the propaganda tub, Spooz.
Nope, I just believe a woman has a right to an abortion. I think there should be a limit on how late in the pregnancy an elective abortion should be allowed, but the bible thumpers would like to restrict even medical abortions in the first couple days after having unsafe sex. The self righteous zealots don't think morning after pills are moral either.
Logical Fallacies:
1. Strawman: Misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack.
2. Black-or-White: Where two alternative states are presented as the only possibilities, when in fact more possibilities exist.
3. Ad Hominem: Attacking your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.
4. Bandwagon: Appealing to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted for of validation.
5. Appeal to Authority: Saying that because authority thinks something, it must be true.
6. Tu Quoque: Avoiding having to engage with criticism by turning it back on the accuser - answering criticism with criticism.
I know all about logical fallacies. Too bad you have said nothing to support my using ANY of them. Just spitting them out as if that makes an argument doesn't count.
Here is an example of how far the "pro life" idiots want to take this:
http://www.prolife.com/morningafterpill.html
Maybe you have a different idea from them about at what point abortions (including morning after pills) should be illegal. Did your "God" talk to you about it personally?
Of course you "know all about logical fallacies", that's all you use.
At least you know how to spell it. TG for spell checkers, I guess.
See, when I point out a logical fallacy, I actually state what part of the argument the fallacy applies to. You just look at a list of logical fallacies, apparently, and randomly choose a few, hoping something sticks to the wall.
\Oh, wait, you weren't the one with the "list". You're just a"me too" guy, most likely wouldn't know a logical fallacy if it bit you in the ass.. Even if you looked them up on teh internets, you most likely don't have the critical thinking skills to understand the logic.
Your argument has the same dishonesty as those who refer to illegal aliens as immigrants, hiding the fact that most of those opposed to illegal aliens are not opposed to controlled immigration of people who can add value to the US.
The primary argument about PP and abortion is actually about late term abortion, which PP wants because that gives it the well formed baby parts to sell. But you cloak it in this BS about abortion as a whole and "a woman's right to choose". You provide no logic as to why a woman has "a right" to murder her baby before it is born but not to do so afterwards. Or perhaps you support the latter as well.
Whether anyone thinks morning after pills are moral or not is a great red herring since the public debate is not about what people think is moral but about what is legal or should be legal and while there has been plenty of outcry to stop murdering late term babies in the womb there has been no outcry to stop morning after pills.
Where do you get the "information" about PP "wanting" late term abortions to sell body parts? That is an outright lie, baseless speculation.
FACTS about the PP "sting""
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/
It took years for Plan B to become available over the counter. Ella, a morning after pill that is more effective than over-the-counter progestin only pills, is still only available by prescription. The "pro life" crowd would like to get rid of all morning after pills, here is some of their propaganda:
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/05/pro-life-groups-slam-morning-after-pi...
"Shutting down Planned Parenthood funding will just make it harder for poor women to get one, and maybe some will resort to more barbaric methods of doing it." LOL
What? Dismemberment not enough? Stabbing the baby's skull with a needle and sucking its brains out not enough? I would hate to see your definition of "more barbaric" is.
I don't believe in late term abortions, nor do I believe life begins at conception. There are very few abortions performed on viable fetuses, after the 20th week, which I believe is too late to have one. If women were given the resources to have early abortions and easy access to morning after pills, there would probably be even fewer.
BTW, only 3% of Planned Parenthood's funding goes towards abortions. If the 35% that goes towards contraception was discontinued, what effect do you think that would have on unwanted pregnancies? More useless eaters, eh? Something else to complain about and defund support for.
Spooz. You are a complete ass.
2015: Fatal traffic stops are legal. Get over it. How libertarians and others feel...
1942: Jews in gas chambers is legal. Get over it. How Jew-lovers feel...
1861: Slavery is legal. Get over it. How abolitionists feel...
1776: Monarchy is legal and quartering troops in your home is too. Get over it. How radicals like Jefferson feel...
1300: Prima Noctis is legal. Get over it. How the serfs feel...
Need I go on?
The majority is willing to vote for candidates in favor of keeping abortion legal, and we live in a democracy. People didn't get to vote for or against candidates whose platforms supported the examples you give (other than abolitionists voting for candidates that supported the 13th Amendment, at which point they DID get over it because they were successful).
Nor did a Supreme Court find those issues to be constitutional when challenged, as was Roe v Wade, as a right to privacy under the due process law of the 14th Amendment.
Please cite anything in comparable legal systems that have challenged your examples. I don't think the serfs had voting rights or a Consitution and nobody got to vote Hitler out of office once he made himself dictator. We didn't have a constitution in 1776, but we do now. Police brutality is an issue that is getting a lot of attention these days; more are getting charged and indicted and politicians are starting to speak up against it, so the legal system is paying attention.
So, basically, NONE of your examples are pertinent. Why bother going on if you can't come up with anything relevant? You can call me names, but that doesn't make your argument valid. Regardless of your disliking the outcomes of our legal system, it is the system we live with.
Easy to tell you are just a channel for someone elses incantantions by your phraseology "get over it". Never heard one that before. Its not a compelling argument mate, but i know it isnt yours.
liberals just don't understand that there are personal and national consequences for wrong moral decisions
they have a vain saying about their pet laws
"IT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND"
well, lets see what the land has to say about it
unavoidable consequences when a society turns a blind eye to evil
there will be a whole lotta shaking goin on
payday around the corner
Spare me. Go thump your bible somewhere else. I don't believe in Santa Claus either.
How then shall we llive?
What you are really saying is that if the Law of the Land is entirely manmade, without God, then there is no moral compass to determine right from wrong. Like the U.S.S.R., the State will decide. And you might have noticed that like the Soviets, the American State is no longer the people.
Frederic Bastiat, author of “The Law,” who did most of his writing in 1847 and 1848 when France was rapidly turning to complete godless socialism which “must inevitably degenerate into communism,” understood that liberty exists only in a government that recognizes that “life is a gift from God,” where “the inventions of men are most nearly in harmony with the laws of God” :
“God has given to men all that is necessary for them to accomplish their destinies. He has provided a social form as well as a human form. And these social organs of persons are so constituted that they will develop themselves harmoniously in the clean air of liberty. Away, then, with quacks and organizers! A way with their rings, chains, hooks, and pincers! Away with their artificial systems! Away with the whims of governmental administrators, their socialized projects, their centralization, their tariffs, their government schools, their state religions, their free credit, their bank monopolies, their regulations, their restrictions, their equalization by taxation, and their pious moralizations!
“And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works.”
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
I have a good moral compass, it allows me to have enough compassion for those who struggle to make ends meet that I want them to have the basic neccesities to get by, like medical care, food, cheap housing and a chance to get an education to lift themselves out of their basic level of subsistence if they wish.
What I don't have compassion for is moralists who try to tell others what they can do with their bodies, be it self medication or abortion.
The rest of the Bastiat gives "men" too much credit and takes no account of greed and avarice. The powerful will dominate the rest if given the chance, and throw under the bus anybody who gets in their way. Which is why we need laws to keep order. Like Roe v Wade.
Your moral compass is just some arbitrary culture that was tatooed into your brain as a toddler, without your consent.
And if morality isnt culture, then it is innate and GENETIC.
Yoiu are reading the good stuff. "The Law" is an amazing work considering it's time. Could have been written today.
I read the law, by bastiat, and already forgot most of it.
Up to this day i have yet to see a non circular definition of what "good" or "evil" are. Even the golden rule "do unto others as they would do unto you" seems arbitrary.
Wouldn't put it past these murderers.
Extremist=Some one opposing an establishment agency.
PP is simply an arm of the US Government
Yeh, but what about Cecil? Get your priorities straight!
"If confirmed that the anti-abortion group did indeed sabotage their own website ..."
They are pro choice, not anti-abortion, BTW. Jez sayin'
Fly it high, my brothers!