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Now It's Personal: Koch Brothers "Freeze Out" Donald Trump
"He's not going away," warns one Republican committee member, adding "there are people who think his candidacy is a flash in the pan or a flash in the moment, but I think that underestimates his appeal." As Reuters reports, Trump has surged since suffering a slight downtick in the wake of the McCain furor, rocketing to 24.9% on Tuesday (compared to his closest rival, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who trails at 12%). With everyone asking 'what can derail this?', perhaps, there is something. As Politico reports, the massively influential Koch brothers are freezing out Donald Trump from their influential political operation - denying him access to their state-of-the-art data and refusing to let him speak to their gatherings of grass-roots activists or major donors.
Predictions of his demise were apparently premature. Instead, Trump is gaining momentum ahead of next week's first Republican debate, a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll shows.
The poll shows Trump with his greatest support yet nationally, as nearly a quarter of Republicans surveyed said he would be their choice as the party's presidential nominee in 2016. He has opened up a double-digit lead over his closest rival, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, who trails at 12 percent.
"I’m proud to be in first place by such a wide margin in another national poll," Trump said in a statement to Reuters.
Trump has surged since suffering a slight downtick in the wake of the McCain furor. The five-day rolling online poll had the real-estate mogul and reality TV star at 15 percent among Republicans on Friday before rocketing to 24.9 percent on Tuesday.
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But perhaps of greater concern to establishment Republicans, Reuters/Ipsos polling also shows that in a three-way race with Trump running as an independent in the general election, Trump would drain support from the Republican nominee and allow the Democrat, likely Hillary Clinton, to skate to victory.
Trump has refused to rule out a possible independent run. In a matchup with Clinton and Bush, he would essentially tie Bush at about 23 percent among likely voters, with Clinton winning the White House with 37 percent of the vote. (About 15 percent of those polled said they were undecided or would not vote.)
It is that scenario that should keep party strategists up at night.
Which prehaps explains, as Politico reports, The Koch brothers decision to freeze-out The Donald from their operations...
Despite a long and cordial relationship between the real estate showman and David Koch, as well as a raft of former Koch operatives who are now running Trump’s presidential campaign, the Koch political operation appears to have concluded that Trump is the wrong standard-bearer for the GOP. And the network of Koch-backed policy and political outfits is using behind-the-scenes influence to challenge Trump more forcefully than the Republican Party establishment — by limiting his access to the support and data that would help him translate his lead in the polls into a sustainable White House campaign.
The Koch operation has spurned entreaties from the Trump campaign to purchase state-of-the-art data and analytics services from a Koch-backed political tech firm called i360, and also turned down a request to allow Trump to speak at an annual grass-roots summit next month in Columbus, Ohio, sponsored by the Koch-backed group Americans for Prosperity, POLITICO has learned.
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Continued stiff-arming by the powerful Koch network could limit Trump’s ability to build a professional campaign operation to mobilize supporters ahead of primaries and caucuses.
“The good news is that Donald Trump doesn’t need the Koch brothers, and he can do this perfectly without their assistance,” said Josh Youssef, who’s chairing Trump’s campaign in Belknap County, New Hampshire. Of the Kochs, Youssef said: “Their motivations are clearly not to break the mold of political insider-ship. Their goal is to keep the wheel spinning. Trump’s bad for business for them.”
Still, the Koch network’s rejections of Trump are telling because of the relationships between Trump and his aides, and the Kochs and their operation.
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We conclude with the two opposing views from within the Republican party...
"The activists are doubly angry," Geer said. "He's capturing that anger. They're looking for a voice, and he happens to be here at the right time.”
and
"The curtain has not been pulled back yet," Feehery said. "In time, people will see Trump is not who they want to have as a nominee. But that’s going to take awhile."
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Yeh sure, the Cock Bro.s" Americans for Prosperity"- grassroots my ass....
Die establishment motherfuckers!
"turned down a request to allow Trump to speak at an annual grass-roots summit next month in Columbus, Ohio, sponsored by the Koch-backed group Americans for Prosperity, POLITICO has learned."
I'm not sure if any Koch Sponsored event could ever be grass roots.
Trump is a showman and a distraction. He is in this for himself and to split the republican ticket in order to help Shrillary. Having said that, the one thing he is bringing to light is that there are a lot of pissed off people out there who recognize the fact that there isn't a shit's worth of diffference between the two parties. Both parties have sold out their country and their souls long ago. Now, if people could just figure out that NOBODY in the system is going to save them and WE need to shake the system to it's core. But first, let's watch the next episode of Survivor.
But Doc, they're ALL in it for themselves!
Nooooooo........, you're kidding me? well wonders never cease to amaze me. You know what does amaze me? It's how many people have fallen for Trump's charade. Take look at how many illegal aliens he employs, or how many times he's donated for to the Clintons and you'll see just what Trump's real agenda is.
AND WE HAVE A WINNER!
Koch's really want that XL Pipeline built too.
Trump may tell them to sell the oil to Americans first.
That would be bad for business.
Since the Koch's want to sell most of it to China.
The next idiot in chief will start a real war.
Utterly clueless.
Trump is a businessman. We're drowning in oil and natural gas!
Sell it to the effing Chinese! Sell it to ANYONE!
Sell! Sell! Sell! Make the cash register ring!
You're going to drink you stupid oil?
Maddocks: Disclosure of Koch donation to Clinton Foundation puts 2016 race at risk
http://m.patriotledger.com/article/20150612/NEWS/150618700
/satire
Yes. But they still all dance together at the party.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MGLERfPg178
Sad, but true, the two wings of the same bird of prey.
The more MSM tries to shit on The Donald, the more it makes me want to vote for the first time in 20+ years.
Shit, did I really say that?
Media monopoly loves a big Koch up its ass.
Trump and the Koch brothers are playing a grande game of kabuki and the joke is on the people who think there is actually a divide in ideology between Trump and the Kochs.
Both will end up meeting in "the middle" somewhere between their respective positions when there is a difference should Trump make truly serious inroads.
He wont get the GOP nomination.
That's the main point of this article.
I think you're missing something here. Trump is getting coverage on MSM, lots of coverage. That is a decision, and it is not made without calculation. To say MSM doesn't like someone is when they ignore him (i.e. Ron Paul). Those watching MSM never found out what Paul thought because he was declared unelectable and dropped from the airwaves. People definitely know what Trump is saying. MSM shitting on him? I don't think so. He is their candidate just like all the others. Controlled debate. Always have that in mind.
fuk the kocksukas... off with their heads... Donald must attack Israel if elected..
This is the beginning of a Republican "civil war", the Koch's are ensuring a Hillaroid win by shutting Trump out, alienating anyone who will vote Republican and who's pro-Trump. The only one that benefits from a Trump candidacy, besides Trump, is Hillaroid.
Trump is the candidate of imperalists and racists who don't want to just come out and say that they are imperialists and racists. Oh...he's also the candidate for dreamers who think that they will one day be billionaires like him.
isnt that the same reason you buy bitcoin... to move out of your parents basement and become a billionaire?
Leave Bitcoin and my parent's basement out of this.
Maddocks: Disclosure of Koch donation to Clinton Foundation puts 2016 race at risk
http://m.patriotledger.com/article/20150612/NEWS/150618700
The disclosure that Charles and David Koch made a $900 million donation to the Clinton Foundation has stunned the crowded field of presidential hopefuls and appears to have put the 2016 presidential race in jeopardy.
“This is not something you just shrug off like a hypothetical about the Iraq War,” said a disconsolate Jeb Bush, a likely candidate for the Republican presidential nomination – or he was until the revelation about the Kochs’ donation put everyone’s campaign at risk.
“The world as we know it has forever changed,” Mr. Bush said.
An equally downcast Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin and another likely GOP presidential candidate, abruptly cut short his motorcycle ride in Iowa, telling reporters that the disclosure had become too much of distraction for him to continue.
It's a satirical column. Did you read it?
yup, but the Koch's doing this could be the biggest donation Clinton ever got.
I see what you mean.
fuck the Kochs.
Love to see him run as an independent, and take on Ron Paul as VP or at least in an advisory capacity.
Ron Paul would fall over laughing his ass off at the suggestion that he might accept a VP slot Under some Trumped-Up Carnival Barker he has Far OutClassed through his Entire Life!
Only a Fool would try to lump Trump and Dr. Paul together!
After naming Mr. Paul as VP, if the Donald would agree to dress as a cop and run through the streets of Baltimore hollering racial epithets, then I'd vote for him.
when you say fuck the Kochs and you add fuck Jeb and double phuck Trump...what do you get?
An elephant with a flaccid dick!
And Rumsfeld and Pearl and Wolfowitz, not to mention "F*** u Europe" Lady K would be mad as hell !
We've LOST not only China, but we've lost the West, the SOuth, the North and the East !
We've lost ourselves!
Trump said that he doesn't need anyone's money so let him fund this campaign using money from his personal "billion dollar" fortune.
And he's introuble with The Kochs. It looks like he's about to lose all media coverage.
The beauty of this, if folks can see it, is that this event reveals how it all works.
I don't love The Donald. But that does not mean I don't pay attention to the process. It does not mean that I am unintersted in "fair." The more this guy is marginalized in a move like this by "The Apparatus" the greater the chance that public understands that they do not have a "vote" that the monied interests have all the "votes" because they select who gets in and who does not.
Keep it up assholes. I'm loving it, unless, of course, it is a script being performed (ie knock out Repugs for the Hill).
I was thinking the same thing. In their rage, they let us see behind the curtain - just a bit.
As to whether it's a script, pay attention to whether he gets media coverage. If he is covered (good or bad makes not the slightest difference), then he is part of the controlled debate. If he disappears off the airwaves (a la Ron Paul) and you can't learn what he thinks, then I'll believe he might actually be saying something they don't want to hear. So far, he's gotten lots of coverage. I'm not biting.
Ron was made invisible, indeed a fate worse than death. The Donald, not so much.
My reticence with the script is my reticence with many things conspiracy-- the work to coordinate all the people to stay on script, to not have changes of heart, is too much to accomodate for in reality. Makes a great story though. But I am always open to it that Ross Perot did indeed give those Clintons "ideas."
They lie to us so much, I don't "buy" anything and stay flexible.
I really think it's a script. If he was a real maverick (ala Ron Paul) they'd be avoiding coverage of him like the plague, yet he clearly is getting more coverage, not less.
Credible threats to the status quo don't get press coverage. The TEA party people were portrayed as crazies until they were taken over, and the same with the occupy movement, which was silenced. For Trump to be going higher in the polls and it getting reported means the fix is in. I do think there may have been a miscalculation in how strongly the non-PC message was getting picked up, which is why you're seeing them trying to put the brakes on things.
The Trump support comes from Americans severely opposed to the government and politics as usual. They perceive him as anti-politician. I have just seen an incredible video that demonstrates like I have never seen before the potential for Americans to defend their freedom against a government run by Google military technology, NSA surveillance, and a superpower military - all paid for by the money changers.
If they silence Trump, the people will find another way to fight back. And this may be it; this is something a techie can build in his basement:
Quadrotor Drone, with Machine Gun! - PATROLLING AMERICAN SKIES ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjG1n9FEDb0&feature=youtu.be
versus…
VIDEO: MILITARY ROBOTS – GOOGLE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAspqCD34Hw&feature=youtu.be
Probably, since the techie can do it for 1/15,000 the cost.
The cruel irony is that the Americans who are severely opposed to the politics as usual, will ensure 4-8 more years of "politics as usual" by supporting trump, because it actually benefits Hillaroid.
The point is not that Trump is winning; the point is that the people want something different. It’s not Trump, they don’t want the government. Who else are they going to pick at the moment; who is the candidate that’s not running for the Establishment?
If Trump is going to divide the GOP, it’s time to end the GOP.
There is nobody to "pick". Out votes are meaningless. The next POTUS has already been selected. Until the establishment is brought to its knees nothing changes.
Exactly, The people will have their voice or there will be first, a police state, and second, barbarism. Personally, I believe the people’s voice can now start to be heard. At the moment, Trump is the people’s voice—and what ignited his campaign was his stand on immigration. Coulter’s newest column is how the leaders of both parties, the media and the donors all want amnesty, and unfortunately for them those pesky voters hear about it. She went through all the times when amnesty has failed because of public outrage, and still, the GOP candidates support it:
VOTERS TO G.O.P.: WE'RE JUST NOT THAT INTO IMMIGRANTS
…”Out of nowhere, non-politician Donald Trump has shot to the top of the polls by denouncing America's widely unpopular immigration policies. All those high-priced campaign consultants are standing around scratching their heads.
Americans can see they're being forced to subsidize people who are being brought in only to outvote them, provide cheap labor and change our culture. All the donor money in the world isn't going to help you, Republicans, if the voters hate you.”
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-07-29.ht
Agreed, but all Trump will do is give the political machine some temporary gas pains. Ultimately he will be digested and shat out like any upstart. It's what the machine does.
Im liking the Donald more and more everyday...
No matter what now, as well.
Trump is a "false flag' candidate designed to draw out the wackos so that the gov can round them up.
Trump will be forced to run as an independent, if he goes the distance.
Hildabeast will win by default.
I don't like it, but the conservative vote will be broken.
As in Virginia.
Bilderberg's want this cunt.
Agree with you 100%, but the true 'Muricans on ZH won't believe simple campaign logic, as evidenced by the down votes. If Trump is their man that's fine, I like what he says too, but just know if you vote for him you're voting for Hillaroid. They're using anti-establishment reactionaries against themselves. Hannibal would be proud.
Don't vote at all, it only encourages them.
There is no one to vote for.
The government is dead.
EXACTLY, murdered by a "living constitution"
Murdered by power and greed, as usual.
God loves humble people.
Too bad we don't have any.
They can't keep the leader of the polls out of the debate so they will stack every Repub. candidate into the debate with Trump on the very end out of sight and no time to be called on. No other solution for them.
Regardless of how you feel, Trump beats Hillary hands down.
Perhaps the last man in the country who should be president is Bernie Sanders (and he won't be), but the support for his opposition to Wall Street represents true popular feeling and this grassroots backlash eventually leads to bringing down the tyrants who control our government.
Trump doesn’t matter at this point; what matters is the response to him – the voice of the people. That’s the focus. And it turns out as he appeared on the scene there was this lineup of losers, one after another, of people in office and GOP candidates who want to compromise just to get elected. All incredible losers. So along comes Trump, who has lots of money, and makes a big splash as a populist. I don’t know what his philosophy is going to be in the end, he’s a slippery guy. But don't miss the point of his popularity. How do you ignore a guy who arrives at a press conference on the border in his own Boeing 757?
The political truth is, Trump could be the nominee if he would speak on the Ron Paul issues; he could walk right into the presidency because of the way he delivers them.
I see nothing wrong in the spike against these political candidates; it’s bound to be productive because it is the voice of the people, and that’s what’s needed to save America.
The border needs to be secure and current politicians either need to be replaced or begin to represent the people. There is no issue bigger and more explosive than immigration; it is overcoming the country.
Your right and your wrong, or so I believe. Certainly on the surface this looks correct, but there are very strong currents running below the surface of America, and things may not go as planned. I am taking a wait and see approach. It is a long time until election day, I mean we could have a recession or two, and at least 1 black flag by then...
Unfortunately, the media, government, and the MIC are one entity now.
That machine has killed to maintain power.
If Trump is an insider, then he is dealing for himself.
If Trump is an outsider, he will do what he's told by the machine or die.
The machine only has to point at JFK's grave site.
Don't get your hopes up for another disappointment.
Corruption from the front row seat:
a dual passport citizen from Middle Eastern country decides, who will be on the list to become (maybe) elected in US, because he holds the money.
This is want you call democracy? his is what you teach the world through your NGOs? Bribery and corruption in the elections and politics?
This one's easy. If the Republicans are blowing him off, then Trump's the man. Since the Republicans have demonstrated quite clearly they have aligned themselves with the radical left wing Marxists and the move to globalism, who else is there?
No. You mean Hillary is the man because she is going to win the election after Trump divides the conservatives and the Republican Party.
Why the fuck would you believe ONLY republicans would vote for Trump, TURN OFF THE TV, is ruining your brain. There is no such thing as left and right, only right and wrong. The divisions in America are a contrivance of the corporate/zionist media. It is all about divide and conquer.
Most American want secure borders, but the media uses "polls" to make people believe real democrats are for "amnesty", its all just manipulation. I have mostly voted for democrats in my life, but will NEVER vote for another filthy Clinton, or Bush for that matter.
Most of the people who support Trump are scared, conservative Republicans who are afraid of anything foreign and afraid of losing their money and culture. That's who Trump is speaking to. Isn't it clear from his hateful rhetoric that he knows his audience?
doesn't matter what party he runs for, if he continues to have the support of the people, he will be shot. no way the establishment gives up the reigns to this guy.
He's part of it. This is a sham. Hillary went to his wedding.
Koch Brothers are rich enemies of the American People.
Koch Brothers are conducting Class Warfare against the American People.
Well said "gregga777", but a good question is who in the world could "vote" your comment down? Of course they vote it down without saying why, the mark of a true internet coward.
The Cock Brothers will suicide Trump.
They'll tell Trump the GOP Convention will select Jeb Bush.
Take 'em down Trump.
Trump is in over his head.
If he is for real, yeah. If he is supposed to be a spoiler, he is doing fine.
As much of a narcissist as he is, you gotta be a stone cold sociopath to do it right. Nerves of steel because you have no feelings, you want the power.
As rich as he is, I think he is trailer trash to the real .001%. A clown, a joke.
Trump may be paying back a debt by running.
He did declare bankruptcy, and bounced back nicely.
It may be time for him to pay back the favor.
He never filed for bankruptcy. Some companies in which he was involved and used his name did. Some of those the comopanies actually owed him money.
I hate Trump. But I do like a lot of what he says. Its the issues that he is not talking about that will keep him from getting my vote. I will not vote for another Clinton or Bush so maybe it will just be a no vote kind of election.
Start preparing for the collapse of the empire.
The Kochs just handed Trump a good number Democraps. Trump can monopolize on this --"See, I am not the estalishment. The evil despicble Kochs hate me!"
Will we see Harry Reid campaign for Trump? He is crazy pathological about the Kochs.
In most countries, criminals need to make their dirty money clean in order to make it useful in the legitimate economy. As any Breaking Bad fan knows, that’s what money laundering is: a way to bring the proceeds of crime onto account books and into bank accounts as the proceeds of a legitimate business.
But in Russia, corruption has gotten so bad that the logic of money laundering has turned upside down. There, many companies face the opposite problem: In order to get things done, they need to take clean money and make it dirty.
As Joshua Yaffa reports in an excellent piece in the New Yorker, Russia's answer is a service known as "obnal," or dark money: the process by which legitimate companies take legitimate profits and launder them into off-the-books slush funds to be used for bribes and tax evasion. Though it's not a universal practice, obnal has become a billion-dollar business in Russia. One of the biggest players in the trade was a midsize institution called Master Bank, which reportedly operated at a loss in order to provide cover for its roaring trade in obnal:
But this isn’t just about financial crimes. Master Bank may have been the one stocking those airport ATMs, but the real power in the obnal trade is Russia’s internal security agency, the FSB, which is the successor of the Soviet-era KGB.
Yaffa quotes Boris Grozovsky, a financial journalist, explaining why a government security agency would get involved in a massive illegal money laundering trade: "Not only do they earn money for themselves but they also get to see who is doing what in this business, which, as we say in Russian, allows them to grab anybody by the balls at any time."
The real currency here, in other words, is not money. It’s power and control. Controlling the obnal trade gives the FSB levers of power that they can pull all over the country. If an individual or company is involved in obnal, then the FSB can use that as a threat to hang over their heads: "Nice company you have there. Sure would be a shame if we had to confiscate it and send you to prison."
This speaks to the real Catch-22 of corruption, not just in Russia but in many countries where the problem is systemic. In systems where corruption is widespread, it’s difficult to avoid: It feels as though to get anything done, you have to play by the corrupt rules. To get the contract, you have to pay the bribe; to win the bidding war, you have to arrange for your competitor to fail an inspection; to make a profit, you have to evade taxes.
And yet once you enter such a system, you’re stuck in it. Because corruption is still technically illegal, your corrupt activities make you vulnerable to blackmail. But because your corrupt activities almost certainly implicate others — the official whom you bribed, the institutions that helped you do it, the company that benefited from your crimes — they also make you a threat. Everyone is in danger, and everyone is dangerous. The only way to win is to trump everyone else’s information and control, as the FSB has apparently tried to do via the obnal trade.
That’s a problem for Russia, because it means that its corrupt system is not just harmful, it’s also self-perpetuating. Indeed, as Yaffa notes, when Putin came to power he made a show of rooting out the powerful network of oligarchs who'd taken hold in the 1990s, but that didn’t end corruption. Instead, it only brought it more thoroughly under the control of state officials. Putin’s efforts, Yaffa writes, had "the effect of further embedding the culture of corruption in civic life. The oligarchic class was subsumed by the bureaucratic and political elite, who, in effect, renationalized corruption."
In fact, corruption has been so successfully renationalized that it effectively has an immune system, which attacks law enforcement officials who try to root out corruption. Yaffa’s piece, which I would really urge you to read, focused on one particularly tragic example: a police officer named Boris Kolesnikov who led an aggressive investigation into the obnal trade, only to be arrested, imprisoned, and eventually pressured into suicide, presumably by FSB officials eager to protect their own power.
Sadly, Kolesnikov’s case was unusual mostly because of how successful he'd been in investigating corruption before he came under attack, not because his anti-corruption efforts eventually came to a violent end. Yaffa writes that Kolesnikov and his partner apparently had support from high up in the Kremlin, but even that was not enough to protect them in the end.
We would like to think that corruption is about bad people doing bad things out of greed or malice. But the truth is that once a system is corrupt, playing by the rules becomes a privilege, something that often requires skill and influence that few people possess. The others are left with no choice but to make their clean money and clean intentions dirty.
"I'm glad we don't have rampant corruption here like there is in Russia!!" , said the pot while describing how black the kettle is.
OT. Why?
Crawl back under your rock zionist troll. The zionists SOOO want America to get into a war with Russia, you could see it when Fox started reporting about how RUSSIA did not support GAY RIGHTS, LOL.
The Jews don't like Russia, because, first of all it is an Orthodox Christian nation (Askhanazi Jews hide it well, but they have a deep contempt for Christ and his followers), second, Russia keeps getting in the way of Israel's I mean America's wars. And finally Russia is moving away from the petrol dollar, and central banks Jews can't have that.
http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/faxes/mmOnNachriim.pdf
http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml
THE RAPE OF RUSSIA
An Excerpt from: THE WAR AGAINST PUTIN
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id563.html
You're not wrong.
Russia Impinges on Israeli ‘Right’ to Bomb Iran
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/14/russia-impinges-on-israeli-right-t...
Outlet is paid 5 kilos of cabbages and potatoes for trolling ZH ..the CIA AND/OR Kagan Nudelman would pay him more, but they are putting disposable dollars into more Nudelman cookies for the next country to screw up, those merc snipers do not work cheap
Just goes to show you how close the USA is to CHina, if these crooked SOB's run our political systm behind the curtain. Q: How long have they been doing this?
Since around 1912.
Huge difference between an investigation and a trubinal. Tweet makes it sound as if they're somehow equivalent.
Look it up in a dictionary.
Well fuck them then. I'm tired of all this big dirty money dictating our fate. Donald can out spend them anyways.
More theater for the masses...
Just like the Dems and Repubs after campainging hard on "substantive issues" they draw lot(s) on who will be the bad guy tomorrow over $150.00 snifter of cognac and a Padron cigar.
I'm sure the Koch Borther(s), "The Donald" and Hitlery will be getting together this weekend to do the same.
In the end they win, and you don't nor ever will until you do something about it!
Same as it ever was!!!
I don't htink it is coincidence that this Trump theater is scripted like a TeeVee show.
"This week, Trump, coming off of a mighty row with the suited ones at the GOP, gets in a tangle with the Koch Brothers.. And tune-in next week, as Trump gives it to Kim Kardashian."
Zionist theater for sleeply little minds.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
you know - you might not be too far off the mark.
Now I'm positively sure I'm gonna vote for the guy if he gets the nomination
All the more reason to like Trump. Any candidate 'approved' by the Koch brothers has already been bought and sold.
I still have time, but for the 2016 election I'm still trying to decide who to write-in, Jimmy "Superfly" Snooka or Junk Yard Dog.
Enjoy the sideshow. The WWF was much more entertaining than these POTUS selections.
deleted. Thought you were talking WWE.
HUGE difference!
I'm gonna vote for The Missing Link. It's his turn
I have your candidate.
He has not been seen in years (thus missing).
Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp
http://www.amazon.com/Lancelot-Link-Secret-Dayton-Allen/dp/B000F4TMI2
If you were really serious, you'd write in "Ultimate Warrior".
trump is running in the wrong party - he's a democrat who is popular amongst the repubs.
problem is that it's the independents that the repubs need and trump will train wreck capturing this vote - and he knows it
The Plutocrats flex their muscle and they will pop Trumps bubble. This is just the beginning of a campaign to eliminate and discredit the competition. We have all seen this before and the propaganda machine is just getting revved up. The election charade continues as long as we endorse our patently flawed 'representative' democracy, the Oligarchs will continue and have shown that they run the SHOW. Direct democracy is the only revolutionary and bloodless possibility that exists. I know we were all taught in grade school that direct democracy is bad, the worst of all democratic solutions, we were taught that we couldn't get anything done under a direct democracy, we were taught that we would all lose our freedom under the thumb of tyrannical majoritarianism and we were taught that we could never get along and crowd source a decent bill of rights to protect ourselves from majoritarianism. We have always been fed lies and we as a society have (mostly) always believed them, until we stop playing the game we are living the lie. Come election day I am going to ignore the charade, I will not vote out of protest and instead I am going to do something meaningful by spending that time with my kids. You may use false logic and say I can't complain because I did not vote, I will not vote out of protest, I will not endorse in any way a patently flawed system that elects criminals and criminal syndicates to power, it is those who vote that endorse their own demise, it is the voter that should STFU and understand basic logic, it is the voter who endorses the criminals and syndicates that have and will usurp any freedom they think they still have, it is the voter in 'representative elections' who should STFU after the boot of their government stomps on their face - forever.
I see your point, but you may want to vote for your local offices, because ultimately that is where the rubber hits the road in affecting you and your family's
lives. So if you do decide to vote, then write in Ron Paul's name. I reckon that's what I'll do anyhow.
To show up as registered voter and "THEN" not vote or simply write in Mickey Mouse would have more impact than simply not showing up. I always thought it would be great to have a nationwide write in campaign for some crazy name "Captain Clink", or whatever, it doesn't matter what the name, something very simple, easy to spell so it won't be challenged by the board of elections. Imagine if you will that "Captain Clink" a non-existant write in candidate took the majority in some states. Even running at 30% would set off major alarm bells. Hell 20% would do it.
I tried that and met heavy derision. I would rather promote a boycott of the vote with the idea that if less that 20% vote the political call would have Zero legitimacy.
This may actually win favor with democrats who are always wailing about Koch Brothers, maybe a couple more points in the polls.
Trump is one of THEM.
2016 is all about Hillary.
We're in some pretty deep shit.
While it is true things look bad, we ONLY have ourselves to blame, we are intellectually lazy and indifferent. So far other people have paid the highest price for OUR shortcomings, like the Iraqis, its about time we paid for the error of our ways.
MDB wannabe
Prayer works, but you have to stay holy.
That's the hard part.
OMG he is snubbed by the Crotch brothers, I am sure the MSM ill not touch this, Trump's numbers would be sure to rise...The MSM will only print scurrilous stories about Trump.
So far he has my vote...I could never vote for Bush OR Clinton, NEVER.
If the Republican establishment forces him to run as an independent, then they insure that Hillary wins. If Trump is in the lead when the convention rolls around, then it's the old boy Repugs fault if they blow it, because choosing Bush or Cruz or Kasich, and forcing Trump independent, will guarantee a Hillary win. So it's the old school Repugs choice to lose, if they don't nominate him.
And you all are insane to think Trump is doing this to help Hillary. What, the Clinton Foundation is going to pay him money for throwing the election!? The guys a billionaire, he doesn't need a couple million from Clinton. In fact, that's a big part of his appeal, he doesn't need any lobbyist money, he can be President for the right reasons. like leaving a legacy as a great President rather than a President who was bought off with a $Billion like Bozo. He's already made Billions, and had his reputation questioned, if anything the Presidency can be his great moral legacy, he's already accomplished the money part.
The more some of you idiots talk, the more likely Trump is of getting my vote.
The GOP elephant has many heads : Gold toothed TRump with good ole Sarah Palin as hanger on.
The Koch Bros. who support ANY libertarian deep fossil energy BapHomet effigy; doesn't matter who he be... a guy who says Oil is the futurE of US of A !
And then there is JEB of old Bushist cabal.
So take your pick of mad elephant breed.
Amazing the choice facing the Land of Jefferson !
Time to hack into Koch empire. Green light boys. Winks.
Oh, no! Trump might expose repbludemocrt funding!
Wait for Trump to spend a billion of his own money before falling to your knees in worship.
I only worship Mrs Atomizer and myself. Everyone else has to develop trust.
:p
We'll unleash closet bones.
Fuck the Koch Bro's.
This will be fun!
I hope the Brothers an Trump burn their bank accounts to the ground.
I dont think the Kocks are the world class asshats that many young liberals do. I dont care what they do with their money. But there are enough young liberal assholes that do care, that when the Donald comes out and says he doesnt need their help...it will make him MORE popular.
The republicans are just idiots.
RINO'S are idiots.
The Kochs street organization is Americans for Properity or AFP. Years ago when I was a hard core TEA party leader AFP came and wanted us to door to door with little tablets and record voter information. This data collection probably +/+ is what the Kochs are claiming to deny the Donald now. So what???? What the Donald is quickly finding out that rah rah "Republican Party" organizations like AFP only care about winning. Rino or ultra right wing they don't care as long as they win. Needless to say I wanted nothing to do with the door to door data collection program and told the AFP representative such which ticked her off to no end. Stop using us I said and how about some local advertising to support the local TEA party groups. Well that wasn't flying with AFP. So all this garbage about TEA parties being "funded" by the Kochs was a total lie. The Donald is really getting the establishment Republicans panties in a bunch and I LOVE IT. No difference Dems or Establishment Reps just differing spending priorities. Grow government is all either group care about and control always with more control. Heritage Action, a subset of the Heritage Foundation is a much cleaner more deserving group for the street level action as these groups go and Heritage Foundation is headed by former Senator Jim Demint and he doesn't like the establishment leaders of either party no way, no how.
Yah I saw the AFPee in action too.
Good ol boy's trying to "catch the wave" in the Tea cup.
Maybe there is truth to the story: Trump is there to secure HIllary's victory.
Koch's are on to it.
You mean the Kochs are UP to it.
I think that I know why the Cecil lion killing is being made such a huge deal EVERYWHERE. Because of this:
http://gothamist.com/2012/03/13/photos_donald_trump_sons_awesome_at.php#...
El Chapo may have a lot of help with his death threats from some normally uncooperative groups. That pisses me off. The cat is unforgiveable, all of them are terrible. Deer in an over populated area, and you eat it or give it to others to eat, that works okay for me. If you want to shoot that cat, do it with a camera.
I understand that serial killers like trophies, too. The cat is unforgiveable...the photos are obscene, I can't look at them.
This is crap. Trump, Bush, or Hillary. Three peas in a rotten stinking pod. America is lost. How much money has trump given to Democrats? Hillary went to trump's wedding for god sake. This is a mother fucking sham.
You are correct. The jew Lenin once said, "The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
From http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=1047
1. Trump has numerous Jewish connections in Manhattan. You don’t become a New York real estate mogul without them. He’s not about to buck the Jew system that got him where he is today.
2. Trump’s CFO is Allen Weisselberg and his legal counsel is Michael Cohen. These two Jews keep Trump VERY well connected to Jew high-rollers. Cohen is entrenched within Jew NY society.
3. Trump is an “American Exceptionalist.” He will not suffer any country, including Russia, to have its interests served in any part of the world.
4. Trump’s a “uni-polar” man. Cooperation between nations is not in his deck of cards.
5. Trump is a militarist. As strong and powerful and all-pervasive the Pentagon already is, Trump wants to intensify.
6. Trump considers Edward Snowden, (who we here at Real Jew News consider a patriot), a “traitor.”
7. Trump won’t blame Jew Wall Street and its sycophant corporations for offshoring our jobs. Instead he blames Mexico and China.
8. Trump believes in legal immigration. He says it’s a “wonderful” thing. Rather than try to stop the flow from Third World countries, Trump welcomes it. Those who tout Trump as a “white nationalist” are dreaming.
9. Trump is an Israel-lover. Trump loves Bibzy. Trump will NOT stop the Jew power in this country. He’s too beholden to Jew power owing to his Manhattan “deals” and the dynastic Jew Kushner family of New Jersey his daughter Ivanka married into.
Not sucking Kochs should secure more backlash sentiment and increase Trump's polling a couple percentage points.
Coke Bors: "We don't want any Real Ameirican to Run!"
Cokes should be hung upside down.
We had the Jacobs Brothers who worked with Art Model. Look how their fraud untangled. SEC prevails over Jacobs brothers in insider ... -Cleveland.com
Moral of story, Koch will pass off. So will Kissenger and Soros.
Former Cleveland Indians owner Richard Jacobs dies at 84
Koch Brothers are small fry when compared to George Soros. That is the guy that real puppet master.
Koch Brothers are small fry when compared to George Soros. That is the guy that real puppet master.
Those of us in the know refer to them as the Krotch brothers.
We are the Coke Bros and we demand how Americans must live.
We changed our names to disguise our Zionist Superiority!
Goy are cattle for us to miscegenatte and destroy.
You fools think there is a difference!
On Immigration, Bernie Sanders Sounds Like Donald Trump
Says relaxing immigration restrictions is a right-wing Koch plot.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/28/on-immigration-bernie-sanders-sounds-lik
interesting...
Bernie Sanders on Immigration | On the Issues
Click here for 11 full quotes on Immigration OR other candidates on Immigration OR background on Immigration.
http://www.issues2000.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm
Thank you for the information
Of course, the link I provided indicates Sanders is manifestly against open borders, right?
I love reason but have never been on board with their notion that unfettered immigration is good for the country.
That some economists think so doesn't impress me. There is more to a country than the economy anyway - there's culture and language and, yes - ethnicity.
I admit that part of me understands the flavor of libertarianism that says borders are bullshit - but I'm a Pragmatist, and also a soft nationalist.
We do live in a world with nation states. And our welfare/warfare state is not the same a situation where people are merely free to try and free to fail. We subsidize failure.
And so far, 20 million illegals and hundreds of thousands of h1b visas [which have transformed boston suburbs and surely cost Americans jobs] haven't helped the economy recover.
To be safe, one stays away from all forms of Jewery when doing politics and business. When you deal with a jew you deal with the tribe, and the tribe is unhealthy for goyim.
I guess it may suprise you {and others} that I strenuously disagree.
I like Sanders - crusty, cantankerous fucker. I mean, I disagree with him in very basic ways as to the proper role of government as most here do, but while I'm not a 'one issue' guy, my biggest issue is foreign policy and my biggest dislike is militarism and hyper-interventionism, which I see I mostly motivated by Zionist/neocon capture {though as I'ce said, perhaps not enough, the MIC is broader and bigger than the Israel Firster crowd, and there are plenty of Anglos in the MIC/Bankster Imperium.
Your statement, whether or not genuine, is not only untrue, asserting it is wildly counter-productive.
Some of the most important, hardest-to-dismiss people working for peace, Palestine, and to limit Likud's chokehold on our government are liberal Jews.
You really want to lose them as allies because they happen to be ethnically/culturally Jewish? That's absurd.
From Israel Shahak to Ilan Pappe to Max Blumenthal to Phil Weiss to Norman Finkelstein - to the small but vocal orthodox and hasidic *religious* jews who reject Zionism - they are vital allies.
It's hard enough to criticize Israel or what seems to be the manifestly deleterious effects of disproportionate Jewish/Zionist influence.
Naked group hate {or poisoning the well?} is neither helpful nor the basis for my {at least} criticism.
The issue isn't what someone is - but what they *do*.
Hence - I'd have no problem voting for Sanders as the least worst option just because he's Jewish, while I'd never ever vote for a guy like Cruz because he's a batshit crazy Zionist warmongering imbecile.
The Jews are busy race mixing all nations - while cleansing their own - including the Irish Savant's homeland, Ireland, with Nigerians. The Savant has some advide to Trump, to enable him, perhaps, to take advantage of Zionist MSM hypocrisy.
More guidance for The Donald | The Irish Savant (July 28)
On this forum (and on most other on the Alt Right) we regularly take Israelis and their dual citizens to task for their breathless hypocrisy on immigration and race mixing. We flail them for imposing these abominations on White civilisation while jealously guarding their own ethnic and religious purity. But now I think there's a way of turning it to our advantage via the candidacy of Donald Trump.
Here's my proposed pitch for him on immigration.
"My admiration and affection for the great state of Israel is well known [here he itemises his various pilgrimages to ZOG HQ in that country]. Because for millennia Jews have suffered persecution, scattered to the four corners of the earth but still (in the face of seemingly impossible odds) fought to retain their unique ethnic and religious heritage, culminating in the establishment of Israel in 1948. At last Jews had their own homeland, a homeland which they were forced to defend militarily on at least three occasions.
But Israel now faces another threat, one of a more insidious variety. My friend PM Netanyahu has referred to the vast numbers of 'illegal infiltrators flooding the country which threaten the very identity of the Jewish state'. He declared that 'this phenomenon is very grave and threatens the social fabric of society, our national security and national identity'. And in this he is absolutely correct. Because were all the so-called asylum seekers and other illegal immigrants allowed to remain Israel would cease to be either Jewish or democratic. My position on immigration to America reflects and is guided by the clear vision of PM Netanyahu. Like him I want my country for my own people, for the descendants of those who built our country."
Isn't that neat? What better way to silence the MSM and his political opponents than to link his immigration policy to that of the sacrosanct Jewish homeland? 'Don't hit me with Israel the baby in my arms'. And it will also highlight to the American people the grotesque double standards that Jews apply to immigration.
I'm expecting a call from The Donald any day now.
http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/
Jebs sister is married to a Koch... dope!
Jeb's sister married Bobby Koch, who is not related to the infamous brothers.
The real cocksuckers are the ones the Kochs already put in office. Fuck every last one of them. If you can honestly say you support Mconnell, Boehner, McCain the shitstain, or any of the rest of them you are part of the problem, not the solution
Bingo!
Eff the Koch bros and the hijacked Tea-parrot jackwagon they wobbled in on.
The Tea Party [Bowel] Movement never saw a war funding package they didn't like.
Fucking fuck those fake fiscal conservatives!
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Squirrelbonnet will have no choice but to run as a Third Party so yet again a Clinton can backdoor their way into the White House.
Maybe Medusa will make Trump Secretary of HOmeland Security. We know she is gonna have the Cookie Monster, Icky Vicky Noodleman as Sec'y of State.
With any luck the Kochys will die off before they hit 90.
For three years we read from posters that voting doesn't work, that Repubs and Demons are the same,,, etc,,,etc.
Then at election time it all changes to who's the best, who's the worst, which one promises this, which one promises that.
Definitely a bipolar country. No wonder it's an insane mess. Ain't a one in either pile worth a flush.