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Secret Memo Reveals US Was Aware Of Americans Killing Zimbabwe Lions; Only Concern Was Getting Caught
Over the past 3 days, it appears that the only thing Americans can talk about, whether around the watercooler, in the office or during prime time TV, is the tragic death of Cecil the Zimbabwe lion, and his "monster" killer, Minnesota dentist Walter Palmer. The reality, of course, is that despite engaging in the rather anachronistic pursuit of self-gratification through shooting at animal prey, in this case a bow and arrow, in a day and age of online apps and cyberspace, Palmer, a self-professed avid big-game hunter, did nothing illegal in his opinion having relied on local guides and was said to believe the hunt was legal.
"I have not been contacted by authorities in Zimbabwe or in the U.S. about this situation, but will assist them in any inquiries they may have," Palmer said but by then the witch hunt was on: not only were crowds of people stalking out his office but investigators have knocked on the front door of Palmer's house, stopped by his dental office, called his telephone numbers and filled his inbox with e-mails. There is even a petition, with over 155,000 signatures, demanding Palmer be extradited to Zimbabwe where he would "face justice" alongside his two guides who are already said to be in custody.
Not surprisingly, Palmer has prudently disappeared until tempers cool off and/or an arrest warrant is issued for his arrest.
In the grand scheme of things, this is yet another grand, and convenient distraction du jour for the US public to rally around with a cry of fake (or in some TV talk show hosts, almost real) indignation while preaching moral superiority (killing one lion is apocryphal but killing millions of hamburgers and pork burritos every year is, well, meh) while the US economy continues to disintegrate under everyone's feet.
However, where this particular episode rapidly crossed the surreal threshold, is when news hit overnight that Obama administration officials are offering to help the Zimbabwean government investigate the high-profile killing.
Yes, the president would show the American people just what a humanitarian he is, and do what he does best: dispense "fairness" and "justice."
Only... this being the US government, what really happened is another grotesque instance of unparalleled hypocrisy promptly backfiring.
Presenting "QUIET DIPLOMACY" SUSPENDS ELEPHANT HUNTING IN NATIONAL PARKS - FOR NOW" - a Confidential memo sent on October 23, 2008 by the current US ambassador to Zimbabwe, James D. Mcgee, to the CIA, and released by Wikileaks.
In it we read that, as usual, there is none more culpable of the recent event in Zimbabwe, which incidentally is and has been quite permitted by the local authorities as long as everyone's palms are appropriately greased, than the US government, which years ago was fully aware that Americans were killing lions in Hwange National Park, but that its concern was not with the dead animals - no matter how hard the administration tries to feign empathy for the beheaded lion here and now - but with Americans getting caught in the act. As has just happened.
But first, here is some background on how legal local poaching, whether it is for lions or elephants is. From the formerly classified memo:
Meeting with poloff and conoff on October 10, Bown said that it was unclear "how legal" these hunting operations were, since it appeared the hunters had permits issued by Parks to kill the animals, despite the provision in the National Parks Act that prohibits commercial hunting. The photographic safari operators indicated Parks had given several local and South African hunting companies concessions to kill elephants in Hwange if they met specific criteria: (1) total ivory weight less than 30 pounds, (2) young/adolescent males, (3) isolated areas (i.e. away from watering holes and main roads), and (4) controlled by Parks staff. Parks has never publicly stated these criteria or explained the operation. Frustrated photographic safari operators weighed and photographed many of the tusks at the Park's ivory store in Hwange and found that many were over 30 pounds each. In one case, an operator claimed an American hunter killed an elephant with tusks weighing over 120 pounds. Photos also show some elephants were killed very near main roads and close to watering holes. In at least one reported case, a vehicle drove around the animal before the hunter killed it at close range. In emails to Mtsambiwa and Nhema, safari operators decried the unethical hunting both in terms of the detrimental ecological impact and the negative impact it would have on their own businesses.
... the safari operators also reported that some of the hunting guides had been issued hundreds of hunting permits for elephants in Hwange and other national parks in mid-to-late August. Normally, hunting permits are offered in an auction to all professional hunting guides. In contrast, Bown said these recent permits were issued through a non-transparent process to professional hunters of ill-repute, including some South African operators.
So both the Zimbabwe ambassador and the CIA knew Zimbabwe was permitting and flaunting its own "regulations" when it comes to poaching if the fee is good enough. And, since American citizens were involved, the fee most certainly was:
Despite Mtsambiwa's assurances at our August meeting that Parks was only planning a management/training exercise for Parks staff, in early September poloff received an email from an American citizen in California, asking about an advertisement for an elephant hunt in Zimbabwe to hunt five elephants over ten days for USD 6,000 as part of a culling exercise. The meat from the animals would go to local villagers and hunters were expected to help with on-site butchering of the animals. This price is significantly less than most elephant hunting packages. Normally, elephant hunting excursions in Zimbabwe cost about USD 1,000 per day, plus a fee for each animal killed. The hunting operation was to be led by Zimbabwean Headman Sibanda and was arranged by Thomas Powers Internationale, based in Colorado.
Where was the disgust then? Oh yes, elephants are not cute animals about which Broadway musicals are written.
However, there is a problem, because reading on we find that not only did the government know about everything that was going on involving US poachers, quite legal and paying very well, involving the hunting of elephants, but also, drumroll, lions.
Bown, Save Valley Conservancy Director Clive Stockil and other conservationists opined in conversations with us that hunting permits were issued by Parks under intense pressure from its politicized board and ZANU-PF. Bown believed this frantic last grab at hunting revenue was one more aspect of ZANU-PF insiders' efforts to strip assets and fill their pockets before losing power to the MDC. She said that the same small group of hunters involved in this operation had been consistently involved in unethical and marginally legal hunting. Bown had no evidence that they were involved specifically with sanctioned individuals within the Mugabe regime, but believed such connections were likely. According to Bown, the Zimbabwean professional hunters involved include Guy Whitall, Tim Schultz of African Dream Safaris, Headman Sibanda and Wayne Grant of Nyala Safaris, Evans Makanza, Alan Shearing, Buzz Charlton and James Macullam of Charlton Macullum Safaris, A.J. Van Heerden of Shashe Safaris, Barry Van Heerden of Big Game Safaris, and Lawrence Boha. (COMMENT: Numerous conservationists have suggested the Van Heerden brothers are involved in suspicious hunting and land deals with the Director of the Central Intelligence Organization, Happyton Bonyongwe, although none have provided proof of the relationship. END COMMENT.)
Additionally, one safari operator accused an American, by name, of killing a lion illegally and then smuggling its hide out through South Africa. Given the rampant smuggling of other animal products across Zimbabwe's southern border (reftel), this is not unlikely. As reported in reftel, American hunting dollars are vital to Zimbabwe's conservation efforts, but there are also serious risks that Americans could be implicated in smuggling and poaching operations.
And there you have it: while blaming Walter Palmer is easy, the truth is that at its core, the death of Cecil, as well as countless other lions, elephants, rhinos and other animals, is solely as a result of the Zimbabwe government's corruption. A corruption, which the US government knew all about, and which also knew that US hunters were killing not only elephants but lions.
The government's only real concern: the "serious risks that Americans could be implicated in smuggling and poaching operations."
And now that an American has been implicated in poaching, what does the government do? It generously offers to "help the Zimbabwe government investigate the killing" of Cecil. Even though both Zimbabwe and the US government have tacitly approval of just this kind of behavior for years. Until something went wrong.
Come to think of it, that's precisely what happens in the US capital markets too: as long as stocks go up, nobody cares about criminal behavior and bubble blowing (just don't get caught spoofing an ES sell orders). But once the real selling begins...
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Sandra Bland was murdered.
Anyone who gives a fresh fuck about this story is a complete idiot.
My only interest in this is that it's an interesting look in the minds of the 'average American'. That is to say, an idiot. Tell them about one lion getting shot by this jerkoff and there is endless outrage. Show them videos about the gruesome details of abortion clinics and selling dead baby parts, meh, whatever.
Also, while I don't agree with killing things just for the sake of being able to say you killed a large animal( most paraplegics could shoot pretty much any big game while sitting in a wheel chair, it isn't hard...) at least this lion lived a good long life, outdoors in its natural habitat before it was killed. These outraged morons will talk about this while eating a burger that came from a cow that was raised in absolutely deplorable conditions, just like all the livestock our dumbass countrymen eat every day, but they don't care about that at all.
Them thar lions are high on the priority list. Meanwhile... our country and world go to shit. Lunacy on parade.
I'm with Ted Nugent on this subject. Go look it up yourself, I'm not in a mood to post the link.
+1
Annnnd the comments on this article are proof that most ZHers fall into that stupid category. That or PETA is out in full force on here.
Things I have heard enough about
Don't care about, not my fault and I will do nothing about:
Cecil the Lion
Caitlyn Jenner
Gay rights or gay anything.
The latest knee grow killed by a cop
What a genius Putin is.
What an awful person I am because I'm a sucessful white man
We don't care that you don't care.
You care enough to post, and idiots like you care enough to ruin a man who did the same thing COUNTLESS people have done before him.
>B.b.but muh friendly lion had a NAME!@!!
If O' had a male pet lion, it would look like Cecil..
I knew it - it was the gubmint's fault.
So, you're saying an African government is corrupt and rotten to the core? And our own government tacitly approves?
I don't believe it.
NEVER!
Uh uh.
No way.
We are America, man.
We're exceptional.
Problem is that right or wrong this dentist has stomped on the poltical wasp nest and he's in for one hell of a ride through the muck........sorry buddy, only bankers with alot more zero's on their names have get out of jail free cards.
I wouldn't be surprised if Barack Obama was Cecil's father.
"A cat is fine too." - Barack Obama
"If I had a son and he was a lion, he would look like Cecil."
#CatsLivesMatter
(Sigh)
F@ck you and him!
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Let me help you out here since you seem a bit confused...
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1. The universally recognized "F word"2. N. Implying complete and utter confusion
3. N. a really stupid person
4. V. To procreate
5. adj. Can be used to modify any word for more passion
6. Int. Expresses disgust
7. Int. Expresses complete suprise and joy
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2. What in the fuck?
3. You stupid fuck!
4. I sugest we go fuck in your mothers bed while eating crackers and petting a cat name mittens!
5. This fucking guy was so fucking weird. He asked me if I was fucking insane.
6. Aw, FUCK!!
7. Holy fuck! You guys rock!
8. Just fucking jump before I fucking kick you in the balls!
Standard Disclaimer: 3 seems to apply in your case.
Yeah. The comments and votes are not typical for a ZH crowd. But since they're bombing us out of the room, here's what Ted has to say:
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jul/30/ted-nugent-cecil-the-lion-s...
Down-vote your ass off, I could give a shit less. Post up a rebuttal and make your point using words or your down-vote is meaningless.
I'm shocked, shocked, to find that illegal hunting is going on in Africa.
The U.S. government's only real concern: the "serious risks that Americans could be implicated in smuggling and poaching operations."
Hell, the O regime probably released the information to the media since Dr. Palmer was a GOP voter and donor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027026317
Or because the Trump boys hunt like this too:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/pics-rump-adult-sons-hunting-ga...
And watch your leftist news media try to smear Trump with it
I think it is getting started! This is my point posting this.
Ted Nugent has it wrong. The "culling" of endangered animals like lions and elephants is only necessary because the failed... i mean failing state of Zimbabwe has desperately subtracted territory and hunting grounds from the local (again, engandered) wildlife.
Even more important, however, is the fact that if all the bleeding heart armchair conservationists out there really cared, they'd be supporting Zimbabwe's natural parks AND government with their wallets AND continued ethical activitism, to prevent a country with rare endangered wildlife from descending into poverty and anarchy, which would of course turn ALL the rare fauna into fundamental food supply for the locals overnight.
All that's left to do is sit back and watch how quickly this story is forgotten and Zimbabwe resumes its practices dictated by real world necessities (because it's the only way it can make enough money to actually protect SOME of the endangered species), necessities which are determined by the international financial cabal anyway.
Who's at fault for the death of lions and elephants in the end? Everyone, of course. As with every issue in the world, whoever is not shooting a banker each morning is to blame, as much as the bankers themselves, the speculators, traders and all the assorted trash that believe the world requires an artificial and semi-absolute form of value called currency to spin. Their minds and souls long corrupted by the power of surplus, accumulation and throw-away consumption.
This website too wriggles non-comprehending in the death throes of its own currency fetishism, whether it's cash, virtual cash or rare metal cash, each member equally responsible for each and every problem of the world, and therefore on the antipodes of being part of the solution.
Cecil meet my OBR.
http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-obr-optimized-battle-rifle-c...
What's for dinner? Tofu?
In my view, the human herd needs culling, for some various obvious reasons.
I'm shocked to find anyone still listens to Ted Nugent, his music or his opinions on anything
We're not shocked that you orally service the brothers in Baltimore and then go home to your Section 8 subsidized apartment to get tingles up your leg while watching Al Sharpton on MSNBC.
My guess is that given their propensity towards crime and gun ownership, the brothers are pro hunting in all its forms, it is only a guess though as they are not my culture, Baltimore is not my city, and the USA is not my country.
@Tea Clipper. You are a fucking idiot and just another progressive tool. If only this world were allowed to function properly you and your weak-ass ilk would have already been naturally selected off this rock. Oh, and by the way, Cat Scratch Fever is definitely a great tune. I pity you for not knowing that.
Ted is a narcissistic redneck who's gotten popped for poaching a few times himself.
http://www.adn.com/article/20120420/ted-nugent-admits-illegal-bear-kill
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/crime/article24590587.html
OK, ND, I'll bite. Ted's point was that these predators need to be killed or there would be so many of them that they would run out of food. That would only be true because people have been killing their prey. Does anybody dispute that counts of all types of wild game in Africa are down as compared to 50 years ago? Is that due to something other than humans?
Since the Cali drought most of my hunter friends have commented game has definitely decreased in our area. One went out three times in normally great locations and didn't see one turkey. Very unusual. However, the predators have become much more aggressive. I've had attacks from raccoon and coyotes like never before. The laws here aren't favorable to the stock owner but the only way to deal with this is to fight back, hard. Something that limp wristed progressives perusing the meat counter at Whole Foods don't understand.
Miffed
I would say that the comments here are revealing of the ZH crowd. This article is a curveball and hence it's not a massive circle-jerk like the usual articles are.
The majority on here are religious. Christian morons are inevitably going to take the position that killing animals to eat is OK but for other purposes is not, based arbitrarily on what their holy shmoley book says. These guys LOVE to downvote and never reply with any argument, probably because they realize that they have nothing other than "the book told me so" and they're well aware of the ineffectiveness of that argument on the rest of us.
Another large portion of users on here are liberal authoritarians. They hate the current government for being corrupt and will cheer along with and upvote anything that's against the government. But, fundamentally, what they idealize is some form of government where the rules happen to be the ones that they want, and to impose their rules on the rest of us. Most of these morons are bound to be against killing animals, as that's the moral trend these days and they are rarely capable of questioning that trend.
A smaller segment of users are libertarians. They hate the goverment for being too big and controlling and idealize a world with liberty and minimal government. These guys shouldn't care if someone else wants to hunt animals, and this question may be a good measure as to whether they're real libertarians or morally confused.
Only a small fraction of ZH users are intelligent enough to ascend the above categories.
In summary, a sizeable minority of ZH commenters can still provide interesting insight into economics or other microcosms, but in terms of the of the bigger picture the majority of users are drooling idiots (anything below libertarian).
Post of the week Zoo. That took some time and summed up the current cross-section of commentators on 'The Hedge".
Kinda miss the old days....
"These guys shouldn't care if someone else wants to hunt animals, and this question may be a good measure as to whether they're real libertarians or morally confused."
Really? They should just let the rich trophy boys run amok and kill endanged species with no abandon disrupting the ecosystem and making them unavailable for the rest of the people of the world to enjoy? intelligent enough - ha ha
And im not in the mood to look up anyting that old has been has to say. We are all well aware of his illegal hunting activities, not to mention his crimes against music.
As an old leftist liberal progressive has been, TeaClipper is more in the mood to go out trolling for thugs to orally service.
So quaint how no libtard is ever in the mood to look up something that disagrees with his fantasy.
This is one of my favorites from good ol' Ted ...
Ted Nugent, a heavy metal guitar legend and devoted (bow) hunter, was being interviewed by a French journalist. Eventually, the conversation turned to his love of outdoor pursuits. The journalist asked, "What do you think the last thought is in the head of a deer before you shoot it? Is it, "Are you my friend?" or maybe "Are you the one who killed my brother?"
Nugent replied, "They aren't capable of that kind of thinking. All they care about is, What am I going to eat next? Who am I going to screw next? and, Can I run fast enough to get away? They are very much like the French in that."
Substitute 'Progressive' for 'French' and he could be talking about you TeaClipper ..
It's okay for somebody to hunt lions or any other dangerous game, just even the playing field a bit...say Palmer or somebody else can only use a kinfe with a 3-inch blade...that's fair AND challenging. I could really respect a guy who could do that. We'll call him basketball-cajones after that. And don't tell me it can't be done, because I know a guy who killed a 400 lb. fucking GRIZZLY with an arrow IN HIS HAND, STABBING the beast until it died! (Google Ed Wiseman or go here -http://wisemangrizzly.com)
Otherwise, if you want to slant the playing field in your favor, why not just use a fucking 120mm howitzer.
@JS Bach, Did it ever cross your mind there might be a strong correlation between the way we act towards nature, and the state of our societies, and the planet?
If prehistoric man hadn't killed the saber-tooth tigers with spears and clubs you defintely wouldn't be here shit head.
You nailed it with "prehistoric man".
animals are easy to love, read the jerks here decrying the death of a lion..fuck you all, you have wasted lives, most live thru the i phone attached to your eyes..get out among predators walk the walk, sit alone in the NW of canada with no human for 100's of miles knowing brown bear are near, or come spear fish with me off a reef 6 miles at sea ..no stay in your cities and dream illusions about pyramid preditors, you know those loveable coke drinking polar bears..ma nature is a bitch, and gets a kick outta the peta idiots..your for dinner.
Ha! Love it. Being in nature alone most of my life with no cell phone, GPS or any techie crutch has made me appreciate the rawness of life. The serenity and beauty breathtaking but realizing I was at a disadvantage to most of the predators made me keenly cautious. Something most humans never experience today.
I was once aware being stalked by a mountain lion. They observe you long before you see them. Had I not been on horseback, I doubt I would have survived the encounter. The noise, stress and the dangers of the city are no comparison.
Miffed
Our country and world go to shit for the very same root reasons. A single problem manifests itself in many different ways.
I don't care about the BS arguments defending Palmer. He should be hunted down and shipped to Zimbabwe in chains to face trial. Palmer is hiding out until the indignation dies down, is he? Well the indignation isn't going to die down. Ask any of the famous "twitter shamees". His life is over. He is a pariah. There are a half dozen pictures of this pariah posing with slaughtered animals, so his face and deeds are well known.
May karma weigh heavily on Walter Palmer. Heavily.
If Obama's DOJ wants to initiate any number of Kafkaesque actions against this ugly American, I say "have at it".
The people that are after Palmer are just kinda like "sportsmen" in a way. They're just kinda chasing down Palmer, kinda cornering him and then finishing him off in a fashion. They aren't using any weapons, so it's humane, right? He'll get to keep his head and skin. I mean ostracism is in the Bible, so it's cool, right? Our ancestors did it, right? Pretty sure it's all legal. Got to be sure that this Palmer hunt stays within the law, and I'm sure it will. These hunters are sportsmen after all.
"If Obama's DOJ wants to initiate any number of Kafkaesque actions against this ugly American, I say "have at it"
L. Lynch (aka E. Holder in drag) at O's DOJ is more than willing to lynch white men who belong to the GOP, but bankers not so much.
Walter Palmer, this POS must be executed for his crimes.
As for ZH and its grouppies, they are disgusting idiots!
Only a hypocritical leftist liberal progressive would be against the killing of animals but executing a human is ok?
So I don't know for sure but I believe most progressive liberals are against the death penalty and it is conservatives who are more in favor of it. Even with the evidence of prosecutorial misconduct that has been uncovered or the disparity in death sentences depending on race, gender and wealth. I don't get the hypocricy label on this one despite my disgust with the the PC left.
BTW here is a quote from your boy ( tmosley) on one of his kill all lions rants from later in this post.
"And fetuses have rights subservient to their mother. If the mother chooses to terminate, that is her decision"
Conservatives seem to have their share of hypocricy and idiots....
The idiots posting here tonight who are defending the killing of the lion fail to grasp the fact that these elitist "sport" hunters would more than likely kill people and put the resultant "trophy" heads on their walls if they could buy it as a guided "hunt" and get away with it.
BTW Vullsain, your fellow leftist liberal progressive fembots like MatleseFalcon, caconhma, and TeaClipper rant about killing a human being in all their posts.
leftist liberal progressive fembots are all about hypocrisy and are idiots....
ZDI, I was just sayin, but you are right about this one..
"leftist liberal progressive fembots are all about hypocrisy and are idiots...."
" There are a half dozen pictures of this pariah posing with slaughtered animals, so his face and deeds are well known. "
aahhh, he posted those for the world to see, don't think he was hiding anything. He just wasn't prepared to be the Media's next DIVERSION from real news, nor the propaganda about Zimbabwe's "Beloved Favorite Lion".
Propaganda aside, killing animals purely for sport is a rich mans game and nobody can justify it, especially when spending over $50,000 to kill an animal for fun. There's no good reason for it unless there's a need to thin the population to correct an imbalance caused by a lack of predators.
But the indignation drummed up by the media claiming the lion was some sort of pet is nonesense. Funny the locals are asking, "What Lion?"
Now, farmer John can slaughter Pigs and Cows daily and nobody bats an eye, so long as PETA doesn't post pics of the deed online - TMI for the sheeple. We're all cool with our clean guttless meat, sans the eyeballs please, as long as someone else does the killing....
Wonder how your indignation will turn when there's no meat at the grocery store, your child is crying from hunger, and Bambi comes walking by?
Uh, grow up, kiddo. If you want lions to go extinct, by all means continue to illegally harass the people who do this.
One of the "we will prevent them from going extinct by kllling them" crowd. wow just wow
Cecil's death could likely kill his cubs. Good job Walter Palmer. Hope that head on the wall of your mcmansion was worth it. Trophies of an extremely endangered rhino and a leopard weren't enough I guess. Sick
http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/walter-palmer-minnesota-dentist-hunter-kil...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/30/how-cecil-s-death-could...
carl - I just drove through some backroads Iowa farm country today and the cows out there looked to be pretty happy -lots of space and other buddy cows, lots of grass, lots of sunshine. It's the pigs and chickens that have it not so good. Other than that I agree with you...and on the other stuff.
"at least this lion lived a good long life, outdoors in its natural habitat before it was killed."
I see a business opportunity once they run out of lions.
Hunting elders, maybe in Philly. The selling point - at least this elder lived a good long life, outdoors in its natural habitat before it was killed.
Are you talking about yorself.
Infanticide still not an issue to the media, though.
You know what? My bad. This is a story about government corruption, not an argument about the loss of Cecil the lion, nor the virtues of hunting.
So, to stay on topic, the government lies about anything involving money and corruption and has no boundaries. That is the issue.
Fuck you, Mr. Yellen.
Nigger babies are not endangered, unfortunately. Plus, it is debatable whether or not they are humans. When there are only 20,000 niggers left in the world, maybe a few of us will say enough.
Anyone who complains about a guy killing a lion automatically gets placed on my "stupid person" list.
What is the difference between killing a cow for meat and a lion for its pelt and head? Fucking nothing.
JFC, do you think there's a difference is between killing someone in self-defense or for fun. Hell, they're both dead, right?
By the way, the fucking cow isn't endangered and on the protected list.
I didn't realize that we needed to kill cows out of self defense. Very viscious creatures, I suppose.
Endangered species are endangered because idiots don't want to allow game reserves where their numbers can be kept up--funded by people who want to hunt them.
Christ, you faggots and your fucking feelings.
I see the analogy was a little difficult for you. The point isn't whether self defense is involved - it's whether the action is legal. Killing in self defense, is legal, and the other, murder, isn't. Killing farm animals humanely is legal. Poaching protected animals on a game preserve isn't. Understand?
"Government law is the arbiter of morality."
You deserve everything you get, cuck faggot.
Ethics and morality tend to get codified into law. That's kindof how human culture works. Funny, the concepts of murder and self-defense are pretty old and have been adopted by pretty much everybody all over the world. BTW - get caught poaching in most places and see what happens to you. . .
Yes, stealing the king's meat is a most terrible crime, and all who do it certainly deserve to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(infinite more exlamation points to emphasize how important it is that you never defy the KING)
The only courts we're talking about here are the ones that may end up trying Dr. Poacher. The court of public opinion has already weighed-in it seems. Sorry, no king.
Thats pretty hard for the "know everything" types to comprehend.
You are asking tmosley if he understands, thats going to be a tough call for him. Seems he understands very little about the impact human beings are having on this planet. Lets just hope all the inbreeding withers the family trees of stone age hillbillies like this guy
Only a clueless hypocritical inbred leftist liberal progressive like TeaClipper would fail to understand the impact that he is having on this planet as a human being. If he were really aware, he would end his life immediately!
Posted above, but worth repeating ....
If prehistoric man hadn't killed the saber-tooth tigers with spears and clubs you defintely wouldn't be here shit head.
I hope you get aids... -_-
You value the life of an animal over that of a human. That puts you on my "people who need to die" list, along with central bankers.
Disgusting.
Now there is an idea hunt banksters with a crossbow!!!
You value the life of an animal over that of a human...Digusting
People suck. My dog has never betrayed me.
He will eat your flesh when you die.
People need to accept the facts of life.
http://news.yahoo.com/lion-zimbabweans-ask-amid-global-cecil-circus-1408...
Facts like: lions kill local villagers all the time and no-one gives a fuck, because who gives a fuck about black people?
Where's the 'report post' button on this site? You need to be banned for supporting genocide.
This is fight club motherfucker, you solve your own problems. Welcome!
Be careful of hypocritical inbred leftist liberal progressive fembots like TeaClipper, he may try to scratch you with his long painted fingernails!
You must be joking, either that or you've never hunted big or small game.
I'm not a hunter. I don't see what that has to do with anything. I eat meat on a regular basis, and I keep and butcher animals. This is what makes me realize that there are two types of life--human and non-human. Or, at a wider angle, sentient and non-sentient. If you can't respect the rights of others, then you are a dumb animal and sentient animals should be free to exploit your life in any way they desire, including raising you for meat or to hunt for your pelt. Lions fall clearly within that category, as they can and will kill you for fun or to eat you.
I think the outrage over this is also a little over the top. IMO the Lion hunter could and should have used better judgement, judging from the info I have heard I would not consider that a fair chase hunt. I am sure he could have booked a predator hunt there in Africa where it would have been a little more challenging. Night hunting with meat tied to your vehicle for bait is a little over the top to be considered hunting.
He did use a bow and arrow, which is "hardcore" enough for anyone. He just finished him off with a rifle, which is the right thing to do to end its misery.
I honestly wouldn't care if he lured it into a fucking minefield. Our ancestors drove bison and mammoths off of cliffs. Men are men, animals are animals. If a man wants to kill an animal, that is fine. Better to create a situation where they aren't "stealing" the animal from a government preserve, but private game reserves aren't allowed in Zimbabwe or anywhere in Africa to my knowledge. You want to preserve the species? THAT is the way to do it.
Faggots can shove their feelings up their asses for all the good it does the things they occasionally feel for. The best way to preserve something is to allow someone to own it. Period.
Your the one displaying the emotions!! Period!!
I'm not the one calling for the death of a human being. This gives me the moral high ground. Fuck LITERALLY everyone else. Including you.
Rinse the sand out of your vagina, you emotive little he-bitch.
>Displaying passion in the defense of the rights of men makes you gay
No. Faggot.
Your emotions are making you illogical. I never called for the killing of anyone. How does that give you the moral high ground over me and "everyone else" ??
Vullsain's feminine emotions are making himself illogical. Vullsain supported his fellow hypocritical leftist liberal progressive fembots who called for the killing of the doctor and anyone who hunts. Why does Vullsain claim the moral high ground over "everyone else" ??
You twist the truth just like a fucking fembot. Not everyone who thinks that it is pathetic to illegally luring a tame lion to be killed by a "trophy hunter" is calling for the killing of the dentist, that is absurd.
Since you can read it can only mean you are a liar. I claimed no moral high ground.
your boy ( tmosley) did; later he came up with this statement that you will ignore like you did previously, because he labels himself a conservative.
"And fetuses have rights subservient to their mother. If the mother chooses to terminate, that is her decision"
You don't even have an original thought, is the best you can do is look up to my previous comment and twist it and repeat it. You are a hypocrit and an embarassment to conservatives who have ethics and thought out opinions.
You don't even have an original thought, is the best you can do is repeat your lame comments over and over again just like a fucking fembot? You are a hypocrite and an embarassment to leftist libtard progressives who have no ethics and no thought out opinions.
Moral high ground? You just said that anyone not agreeing with your take on things deserves to die!
Please post where I said that.
But yes, those who value the lives of animals over those of humans do, in fact, deserve to die. You have made yourselves into something other than a human. Something dangerous to those who choose to remain human, and those people, I will defend to the death.
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I reiterated my sentiment in the last post. It's not disagreeing with me that makes a man deserve to die, it's valuing the life of an animal over the life of a human that makes them deserve to die. Even in their own eyes! They value themselves less than an animal!
Deserving's got nothing to do with it. We're all gonna die - regardless of what we value or don't.
Now we do have a choice as to how we live. Dr. Poacher's choice was to exercise his vanity at the expense of future generations for his own damaged ego by trophy-hunting. Fine - he had the right to make that choice - and now he's paying for it. It's awfully hypocritical for the both of you to get all butt-hurt when folks who disagree come down on you though.
If you want to play the moral relativism game - you have to suffer the consiquences.
ANY time some Cocksucker jumps in and claims the "Moral" high ground is his has officially lost the argument. I've read enough of your 5th-grade assessments of the situation here to realize you don't get out of your trailer much. I hunt, and what that Fag did wasn't even close to real Hunting.
I like how you completely fail to consider the perspective of the locals.
http://news.yahoo.com/lion-zimbabweans-ask-amid-global-cecil-circus-1408...
But then, caring about human beings makes you lose the argument, according to you.
Literally fuck you with the dildo from se7en.
Man, I can just see the cheeto-dust flying as your inbred-ass types up a fury of commentary....yeah...feels good to be the 450 lb trailer-king doesn't it. Now, go roll your sister out of the piss-soaked depression in the bed and hike up her Walmart PJ's for some good inbred sex....go on, you deserve it.
Caring about human beings is my specialty...I signed the petition to not have your parents sterilized even though theres substancial proof that 1st cousins shouldn't marry...
ANY time some hypocritical leftist liberal fembot Cocksucker like Budnacho jumps in and claims the "Moral" high ground, he has officially lost the argument. We've read enough of your 5th-grade assessment of the situation here to realize you don't get out of the gay bathhouse much. The closest to hunting that Budnacho does is hunting for hung thugs at the gay bathhouse!
Sorry ZD, we only accept original answers here. Please take your dick out of Tmosleys Sister for a second and really try this time....I mean dig deep and think for a second....come up with something orginal. Show us all that you quitting school in the 3rd grade was the right choice for you...
About the same challenge as the "Big Game Hunters" who in Texas killed caged big cats. What a fuckin joke..
" This is what makes me realize that there are two types of life--human and non-human. Or, at a wider angle, sentient and non-sentient. "
What if you are wrong?
Huh? How can there be anything else?
Are you retarded?
So let me get this straight - you think that humans have some kind of special mental state that affords them more inherent rights than anything else on earth, unless the person holds nature in some kind of special esteem - then you think they deserve to die.
It that your ethos?
Humans are the only ones able to understand and respect the rights of others.
You think a fucking lion is going to refrain from eating you for ANY reason? Are you fucking retarded?
Funny. Then why do I feel more threatend by other humans than anything else in nature?
Probably because you are among humans, rather than vicious animal predators.
But hey, don't let me get in the way of your faggot FEELINGS, which are so much more important than things like LOGIC or FREEDOM.
"Probably because you are among humans, rather than vicious animal predators. "
Are you stating that humans cannot be 'vicious animal predators'?
Sadly: You are a fool, predator and/or a troll yourself.
My own father has been in prison for the last 25 years for being -a predator.
I have more regretable knowledge of vile human predation than I care to detail here in public.
You really should do everyone a favor -including yourslef- and cease speaking about that of which you know absolutely nothing or far far too much...
"Hurr, my daddy killed someone, therefore anyon humand that kills an animal deserves to die."
Eat literally every dick in the universe.
I stand by my previous assessment.
It's sad really.
The rarity and size of the cat is what somehow mattered to this asshole.
He could have stayed home and quietly tortured and killed common housecats and no one would likely have noticed for decades if he had taken care to hide his prediliction.
What a lowlife..
The cats aren't rare because of him, they are rare because idiots all over the world care more about their precious feelings than actual preservation, so they forbid game reserves where the lions can be hunted legally in a way that preserves their numbers.
But why look through the absolute top fucking layer when we can pillory a man for doing what millions if not billions of others have done.
So he doesn't deserve this treatment because others haven't recieved it? Ya gotta start somewhere.
Let us examine your argument: that the sole issue in both instances, non-human and fetal human, IS the issue of sentience...
Would it really matter to anyone if sentience could be determined one way or another?
Would it matter if BOTH Cecil The Lion and the unborn humans were or were not provably sentient?
Would either or both examples of sentience or the lack thereof end the debate and acrimony?
Personally, I am sickened by the murder for profit of what I accept until proven otherwise to be sentient beings.
BOTH human and non-human.
Did you know that tires are black because the burned bones of animals are added to the rubber?
You are a most viscious and destructive hypocrite. Fuck you in literally every way possible.
And fetuses have rights subservient to their mother. If the mother chooses to terminate, that is her decision. If some other asshole decides to falcon punch her, that is murder. It isn't rocket science.
"You are a most viscious and destructive hypocrite. Fuck you in literally every way possible. "
Splendid. The honor and pleasure are all mine.
I'm glad you love being an evil person.
http://news.yahoo.com/lion-zimbabweans-ask-amid-global-cecil-circus-1408...
Unless there was a small industry built around folks coming over and viewing/photographing that cow. I doubt that the lion meat was eaten either. Plus the 'hunter' wounded his prey with an arrow and then took 40 odd hours to finish it off. You really want to squander Fight Club capital defending a shorthorn like this?
If you kill it or marry it you are expected to eat it. Anyone who complains about it gets ignored in the future as I'm too effing busy to sit around compiling lists that no one else gives a shit about.
You doubt that the lion meat was eaten? What do you think happened to it? Its mass vanished from the universe?
Next you're going to be defending shark-finning.
Next you're going to defend shark bites. Fucking humans should have known better than to exist anywhere a shark might exist!
Now you've gone full on retards, maybe this is a good time to assess your drinking habits?
Please tell me exactly how my statement is "retarded". PROTIP: It's not retarded because it disagrees with your idiot worldview where humans are hunted to death because of your idiot feelings.
Only a hypocritical leftist liberal progressive would use the term "retard" to describe someone they disagree with.
The PC nazis should be all over you for spewing that term.
No, conservative know it all types never ever use that term. Talk about fuckin hypocrits.
And ZD1.... don't call me a leftist dem are fightin words...I am your plain ole fashioned libertarian type.
Talk about fuckin hypocrits, that would be you who no doubt is a rather plain looking old libtard type with gay tendencies. Not there's anything wrong with that.
Next you're going to hate on people who swat flies.
Difference between you and I: you are a hater, I'm not. You're always looking for something to hate and condemn, I'm merely observing the idiosyncracies of humans.
They took his head and skinned him and then left the rest of him to rot.
http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/walter-palmer-minnesota-dentist-hunter-kil...
Do you still have to eat it if you have been married to it for 30 years??
Only if she is still blowing the ol' Breathalyzer of Love.
"Fight Club" should be defending healthy individuals like Walter from the liberal swarm.
Next time you swat a fly, I hope you remember to eat it.
He's a pussy who took a nap instead of getting right on that blood trail and finishing the lion off. Folks like him you throw to the libtards to distract them from humping YOUR leg.
I don't know the details of the hunt, or much about lion hunting, but I do know that North American hunters often don't immediately pursue a wounded animal.
I've seen a video of African natives hunting lions back in the 50s and they used traps, then checked the next day and pursued the lion from there.
It sounds to me like you're making a big fuss over nothing. There are a lot of pussies in the world, but I doubt many of them go lion hunting in Africa with a crossbow. And even if he is a pussy - so what? Why are you so vindictive or insecure that you feel the need to punish him?
You may have taken my last response more seriously than I did. He used a bow to make it more challenging, didn't get in a killing shot and then waited the fuck around til he thought the lion had bled out-because he's a PUSSY. You can bet your boots that when impressing folks with the tale of the hunt he doesn't mention letting the lion he muffed killing suffer for two days.
I think that those rushing to his defense are just as tiresome to listen to as those crying about Cecil's demise. Up here in the 907 if a brown bear attacks you and you wound it, fine let it bleed out. If you opt for the more difficult task of hunting one with a bow then when you wound it- strap on a sack and start following that blood trail, boy! Walk your talk.
I'm sure that somewhere out there right now libtards are dryhumping the leg of a medical professional whose idea of travel to exotic places involves repairing cleft palates or providing eyeglasses to those in need overseas. Tell us that story and see which way I lean.
You think this guys is a healthy individual? Man you have poor judgment. I will follow your comments on here with interest, because where you put your money is where I will not be investing.
Who do you think is healthier: the person who pursues exciting adventures in life as his hobby, or those who sit around on the internet spewing hateful messages about him in the meanwhile?
The dentist and others like him are serial killers of animals. They are sick individuals who get their jollies from taking a life. They are not killing the animal for food, they are killing the animal for their own adrenaline rush. There is no defense for their abhorrent and amoral behavior.
I am a serial killer of animals. So are you, faggot fuck.
Aaaand you prove my point about abhorrent behavior.
Liberals make normal behavior abhorrent so they can more easily dispose of anyone who disagrees with them.
You poison and electrocute rats and mice every day, even if only by patronizing stores that do so. Which they all do.
We are all serial killers of other organisms. Pretty arbitrary to declare that killing "animals" is not allowed, but killing insects or plants is perfectly fine, don't you think?
What difference does it make whether the animal is killed to feed a human or to feed scavengers, bacteria, and decomposers?
Your idea of "moral" behavior is completely arbitrary. Others do not share your idea of what is moral.
When you literally hate others for having different morals than you and want to destroy them, you are, by definition, an intolerant bigot. Just FYI, that's what you are. And there's nothing necessarily wrong with that, as long as you are willing to accept it and wear the label proudly.
Perhaps it was PETA selling fur/leather products to planned parenthood for new genetic DNA study sponsored by DARPA.
/chuckles.
the *news cycle* works in mysterious ways.
Seriously, how many Lions and Rhinos are left?
A lot fewer than the crazy baboons called humans.
Can't we let some beauty remain of God's creation, and let narcissist's like this Dentist go the way of the Dodo?