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Secret Memo Reveals US Was Aware Of Americans Killing Zimbabwe Lions; Only Concern Was Getting Caught
Over the past 3 days, it appears that the only thing Americans can talk about, whether around the watercooler, in the office or during prime time TV, is the tragic death of Cecil the Zimbabwe lion, and his "monster" killer, Minnesota dentist Walter Palmer. The reality, of course, is that despite engaging in the rather anachronistic pursuit of self-gratification through shooting at animal prey, in this case a bow and arrow, in a day and age of online apps and cyberspace, Palmer, a self-professed avid big-game hunter, did nothing illegal in his opinion having relied on local guides and was said to believe the hunt was legal.
"I have not been contacted by authorities in Zimbabwe or in the U.S. about this situation, but will assist them in any inquiries they may have," Palmer said but by then the witch hunt was on: not only were crowds of people stalking out his office but investigators have knocked on the front door of Palmer's house, stopped by his dental office, called his telephone numbers and filled his inbox with e-mails. There is even a petition, with over 155,000 signatures, demanding Palmer be extradited to Zimbabwe where he would "face justice" alongside his two guides who are already said to be in custody.
Not surprisingly, Palmer has prudently disappeared until tempers cool off and/or an arrest warrant is issued for his arrest.
In the grand scheme of things, this is yet another grand, and convenient distraction du jour for the US public to rally around with a cry of fake (or in some TV talk show hosts, almost real) indignation while preaching moral superiority (killing one lion is apocryphal but killing millions of hamburgers and pork burritos every year is, well, meh) while the US economy continues to disintegrate under everyone's feet.
However, where this particular episode rapidly crossed the surreal threshold, is when news hit overnight that Obama administration officials are offering to help the Zimbabwean government investigate the high-profile killing.
Yes, the president would show the American people just what a humanitarian he is, and do what he does best: dispense "fairness" and "justice."
Only... this being the US government, what really happened is another grotesque instance of unparalleled hypocrisy promptly backfiring.
Presenting "QUIET DIPLOMACY" SUSPENDS ELEPHANT HUNTING IN NATIONAL PARKS - FOR NOW" - a Confidential memo sent on October 23, 2008 by the current US ambassador to Zimbabwe, James D. Mcgee, to the CIA, and released by Wikileaks.
In it we read that, as usual, there is none more culpable of the recent event in Zimbabwe, which incidentally is and has been quite permitted by the local authorities as long as everyone's palms are appropriately greased, than the US government, which years ago was fully aware that Americans were killing lions in Hwange National Park, but that its concern was not with the dead animals - no matter how hard the administration tries to feign empathy for the beheaded lion here and now - but with Americans getting caught in the act. As has just happened.
But first, here is some background on how legal local poaching, whether it is for lions or elephants is. From the formerly classified memo:
Meeting with poloff and conoff on October 10, Bown said that it was unclear "how legal" these hunting operations were, since it appeared the hunters had permits issued by Parks to kill the animals, despite the provision in the National Parks Act that prohibits commercial hunting. The photographic safari operators indicated Parks had given several local and South African hunting companies concessions to kill elephants in Hwange if they met specific criteria: (1) total ivory weight less than 30 pounds, (2) young/adolescent males, (3) isolated areas (i.e. away from watering holes and main roads), and (4) controlled by Parks staff. Parks has never publicly stated these criteria or explained the operation. Frustrated photographic safari operators weighed and photographed many of the tusks at the Park's ivory store in Hwange and found that many were over 30 pounds each. In one case, an operator claimed an American hunter killed an elephant with tusks weighing over 120 pounds. Photos also show some elephants were killed very near main roads and close to watering holes. In at least one reported case, a vehicle drove around the animal before the hunter killed it at close range. In emails to Mtsambiwa and Nhema, safari operators decried the unethical hunting both in terms of the detrimental ecological impact and the negative impact it would have on their own businesses.
... the safari operators also reported that some of the hunting guides had been issued hundreds of hunting permits for elephants in Hwange and other national parks in mid-to-late August. Normally, hunting permits are offered in an auction to all professional hunting guides. In contrast, Bown said these recent permits were issued through a non-transparent process to professional hunters of ill-repute, including some South African operators.
So both the Zimbabwe ambassador and the CIA knew Zimbabwe was permitting and flaunting its own "regulations" when it comes to poaching if the fee is good enough. And, since American citizens were involved, the fee most certainly was:
Despite Mtsambiwa's assurances at our August meeting that Parks was only planning a management/training exercise for Parks staff, in early September poloff received an email from an American citizen in California, asking about an advertisement for an elephant hunt in Zimbabwe to hunt five elephants over ten days for USD 6,000 as part of a culling exercise. The meat from the animals would go to local villagers and hunters were expected to help with on-site butchering of the animals. This price is significantly less than most elephant hunting packages. Normally, elephant hunting excursions in Zimbabwe cost about USD 1,000 per day, plus a fee for each animal killed. The hunting operation was to be led by Zimbabwean Headman Sibanda and was arranged by Thomas Powers Internationale, based in Colorado.
Where was the disgust then? Oh yes, elephants are not cute animals about which Broadway musicals are written.
However, there is a problem, because reading on we find that not only did the government know about everything that was going on involving US poachers, quite legal and paying very well, involving the hunting of elephants, but also, drumroll, lions.
Bown, Save Valley Conservancy Director Clive Stockil and other conservationists opined in conversations with us that hunting permits were issued by Parks under intense pressure from its politicized board and ZANU-PF. Bown believed this frantic last grab at hunting revenue was one more aspect of ZANU-PF insiders' efforts to strip assets and fill their pockets before losing power to the MDC. She said that the same small group of hunters involved in this operation had been consistently involved in unethical and marginally legal hunting. Bown had no evidence that they were involved specifically with sanctioned individuals within the Mugabe regime, but believed such connections were likely. According to Bown, the Zimbabwean professional hunters involved include Guy Whitall, Tim Schultz of African Dream Safaris, Headman Sibanda and Wayne Grant of Nyala Safaris, Evans Makanza, Alan Shearing, Buzz Charlton and James Macullam of Charlton Macullum Safaris, A.J. Van Heerden of Shashe Safaris, Barry Van Heerden of Big Game Safaris, and Lawrence Boha. (COMMENT: Numerous conservationists have suggested the Van Heerden brothers are involved in suspicious hunting and land deals with the Director of the Central Intelligence Organization, Happyton Bonyongwe, although none have provided proof of the relationship. END COMMENT.)
Additionally, one safari operator accused an American, by name, of killing a lion illegally and then smuggling its hide out through South Africa. Given the rampant smuggling of other animal products across Zimbabwe's southern border (reftel), this is not unlikely. As reported in reftel, American hunting dollars are vital to Zimbabwe's conservation efforts, but there are also serious risks that Americans could be implicated in smuggling and poaching operations.
And there you have it: while blaming Walter Palmer is easy, the truth is that at its core, the death of Cecil, as well as countless other lions, elephants, rhinos and other animals, is solely as a result of the Zimbabwe government's corruption. A corruption, which the US government knew all about, and which also knew that US hunters were killing not only elephants but lions.
The government's only real concern: the "serious risks that Americans could be implicated in smuggling and poaching operations."
And now that an American has been implicated in poaching, what does the government do? It generously offers to "help the Zimbabwe government investigate the killing" of Cecil. Even though both Zimbabwe and the US government have tacitly approval of just this kind of behavior for years. Until something went wrong.
Come to think of it, that's precisely what happens in the US capital markets too: as long as stocks go up, nobody cares about criminal behavior and bubble blowing (just don't get caught spoofing an ES sell orders). But once the real selling begins...
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I thought VIAGRA was going to remove the myth behind killing rinos and bears.
I am sure the "Big Game Hunter" got a boner when he "tracked and hunted" his "ferocious" prey..
As a castrated liberal white male, Jimmy K can't get a boner and he cries about most things--except for things like babies being aborted or when Kathryn Steinle was shot in the back and murdered by an illegal alien who had been deported numerous times but was in the sanctuary city of San Francisco.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/cecil-the-lion-dies-jimmy-kimmel-cries-babi...
http://www.glennbeck.com/2015/07/29/glenn-is-sad-and-sick-over-reaction-...
In my high school, years ago, a short story which was required reading was
"The Most Dangerous Game", also published as "The Hounds of Zaroff", by Richard Connell. The story involves a big-game hunter from New York who falls off a yacht and swims to an isolated island in the Caribbean, where he is hunted by a Cossack aristocrat. The story is inspired by the big-game hunting safaris in Africa and South America that were particularly fashionable among wealthy Americans in the 1920s.
From the short story there is a passage spoken by Zoroff the Cossack which says, "Simply this: hunting had ceased to be what you call `a sporting proposition.' It had become too easy. I always got my quarry. Always. There is no greater bore than perfection."
To Zaroff, hunting is no longer a sport when the animal becomes too easy to kill, as Cecil the Lion was. So here’s an idea: try fighting without the high powered weapon and see how far human reason will get you in the face of animal instinct.
A bow and arrow is a high powered weapon?
He only finished the animal with a rifle, ending its suffuring.
If you kill a wild animal only for your ego it is a crime against nature and humanity. That is the problem with this.
He didn't kill livestock he had raised, he didn't kill to feed himself or his family, he killed for hubris, a sin against both nature and humanity in my eyes
Oh, you are God then? Fucking amazing. "A sin in my eyes". Fuck off.
Your ancestors are weeping.
You are missing the distinction between killing for survival and killing for hubris.
If we take from nature beyond the need to survive we hurt ourselves.
if we pursue prideful lust we seek our own extinction.
Well, your ass had better abandon all of your sinful modern ways then. You are killing millions of animals just by connecting to the internet (coal mining), nevermind using a computer (rare earth mining). And fuck EVERYTHING if you shop at the store for anything rather than raising it locally.
Hunting doesn't hurt a fucking thing. What hurts is when we fail to preserve things because we follow our stupid FEELINGS rather than our logic, which is what makes us the guardians of this planet. Your FEELINGS would tell you not to hunt a lion, but LOGIC would tell you to allow hunting of lions on private reserves, owned by those who have a financial interest in ensuring that lions continue to exist so they can make money off of such hunts.
But HOLY SHIT THAT LION HAD A NAME OMG\!!!!@!@!@!#$!@!@123231!!@!!
You seem to be the one with strong feelings, there, tmos. Getting a bit ragged in your old age, eh?
Better lace 'em up - entropy says soon enough you'll be the prey
Interesting that Apply Force's avatar is a clinched fist. Must be into gay fisting? Eh?
Hahahaha - not. Weak sauce and a lack of knowledge are not conducive to respect. Just sayin'
I would become violently ill if I were to learn that I had the respect of a cuckold like yourself.
I thought we already established that your strong feelings were a weak point...? No one cares, sorry.
Now lace 'em up and hit the trails, old boy!
No, we established that you conflate features with those of undesirable groups to silence your rhetorical opponents.
And I find it absolutely disgusting.
I did not think trail runners with strong feelings were considered "undesirables" - - my apologies.
And please know that your well-fermented bitterness and condescension shine through your posts so brightly as to be blinding.
Apply Force, we already established your strong feelings about gay fisting
Now lace 'em up your chaps and hit the gaybathouses, old boy!
ZD1 - - Errand boy for tmos or dupe account...?
I vote errand boy, and from the train of thought above, likely wishfully so in more ways than one.
Apply Force - fembot bitch boy for all hypocritical leftist liberal progressives everywhere?
We vote fembot bitch boy, and from the train of thought above, likely wishfully so in more ways than one.
You're pretty bad at this game - back to your Playstation it is.
You're pretty bad at this game - back to your leftist man-hating group meeting for lesbians it is.
Pretty sure you're just an "angry" bot
dupe
You should have left the duplicate eb. Everything you have posted tonite is worth repeating.
After 40 HOURS. He also used a spotlight at night and baited their vehicle with a dead animal to lure Cecil out of the park - like a poacher.
I think that the idea behind the lions in the colosseum would have persisted to our day if instead of Christians they instead had politicians, bankers and big game hunters out in the arena.
Ebworthen - Fiat dollars, through greed and hubris, rots all.
25,000 wild lions left in the whole of Africa, that is seriously low, seriously. Black Rhinos, just over 5,000. Northern white Rhinos, only one wild male left.
They breed captive lions in Africa for these deranged fucks to shoot. Narcissistic self gratification, you can guarantee these sad excuses for human beings all have twitter accounts
Leftists and Obozo's FSA breed like rabbits only to have those deranged fucks at Planned Parenthood abort their fetuses. Narcissistic self gratification, you can guarantee these sad excuses for human beings have their abortions paid for by taxpayers.
You will get no argument from me about the left, but here's a shocker for you, not all right wing people are pro hunting. Shocking eh, how does that compute in your tiny brain?
And what is this obsession you have with abortions? I mean I know you had a tough upbringing, what with your mother throwing away the baby and rearing the afterbirth and all, but seriously, isn't it time to let it go?
What is your obsession about hunting for hung black men? We know your upbringing was by a gay tranny, what with her prostituting you out to the neighborhood thugs and all, but seriously, isn't it time to let it go?
From ZD1: "Leftists and Obozo's FSA breed like rabbits only to have those deranged fucks at Planned Parenthood abort their fetuses. Narcissistic self gratification, you can guarantee these sad excuses for human beings have their abortions paid for by taxpayers."
I'm good with that. Far cheaper than having them around. Add it all up, feeding them, free school breakfast, lunches, dinners, Section 8, EBT, WIC, CALWORKS, Free Utilities, the $13,000 a year, it cost the taxpayers to educate them in the LA Unified School DIstrict, then when they're juvies, the court costs, and after they're adults, the prison expenses, plus you're paying for all the breeding they've done in the meanwhile. They're not exactly an Endangered Species, that's for sure.
I'm fine with the abortions too. Each one is one less Trayvon to worry about. Please ramp up the abortions.
Palmer also contributed to the decrease in the Rhino population. Here is a picture with his rhino kill
http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/walter-palmer-minnesota-dentist-hunter-kil...
Hunting to cull a herd and save a population is understandable. Killing God's creatures for fun would be more compelling to watch if the animals had rifles and could shoot back. I always liked the Far Side cartoon with the deer driving the jeep with their freshly killed human strapped across the hood.
Obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU
what's with the serial downvotes? PETA troll in here?
Look below. That will shutdown PETA downvotes.
Not only PETA trolls, but trolls paid for by the DNC and George Soros.
does this fucking country ever do anything that isnt evil?
Brokenarrow, I think your question pretty well sums up our collective disgust and incredulity at what the USA has become.
+1000 because I myself can't really think of anything that the US government does anymore that can inspire a broken, twisted world.
It's been said and seems to be accurate that America always does the right thing, they just try everything else first.
Did anyone take the time to see who this sick bitch is connected with?
http://www.muckety.com/
Enter name or organization.
Yeah, I believe everything on the internet too.
You would think they would be too busy with stolen artwork.
DUMBO IS CUTE.
The movie was going to be released in 12/41, until the japs proved they could fly to hawaii and then the movie was delayed for emotional reasons.
It's a pity that big game hunter could not time his visit to Africa to coincide with that of Obama. I am sure no one would have complained if Obama was accidentally trophied.
Come to think of it that would be the most ridiculous looking trophy on the wall.
A hyena comes to mind. Look at those big ears.
Stick Walt out on the plains of Africa and take his gun away.
Walt = the other white meat.
LOL
Disclaimer: I hunt but I eat what I harvest. Always seemed strange to me, the whole trophy hunting thing....oh well.
Fuck you. You don't have to kill animals to eat and you fucking know it. Meat is a luxury, no different than having a pelt or a head on your fucking wall.
tmosley:"Fuck you. You don't have to kill animals to eat and you fucking know it."
No shit sherlock, 99% of the time I walk down to the market where thankfully, the meat is pre killed and cut up nicey-nice for me.
Yummy.
Exactly. When you buy it in the market, they don't have to kill the animal first. It just magically appears there, safe and clean under that wonderful cellophane wrapping.
Yep, so let me run down to store and grab some lion steaks to grill up. Oh, wait.
Wait on what? Governments to drop their ridiculous counterproductive regulations forbidding the sale of such meats? Meats that would be raised sustainably if t hey could be offered for sale in a reliable and profitable manner?
FUCK THAT! MUH FEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLZZZZZZZZ!!!!@!@!!!!
Irony is clearly lost on you.
Yup, they do the dirty work for me. I pay them to do that so I can get a nice fat steak without the nuisance of raising it and butchering it myself.
What does it really matter whether you eat the meat, shit it out, and worms eat your shit, or whether worms eat the meat directly? The latter is probably more efficient as it eliminates one step from the chain.
Humans are funny beings. We pride ourselves over others, and hate others, based on the most arbitrary things.
Well here's a word of caution. The same people who want Walter's head want to end ALL hunting and all killing and eating of animals. And probably most of them want to take your guns away too. So you'd better be careful who you support.
....again, I'm not wishing Walt any harm ....once again, no one can see sarcasm.
Mrs. Packeltides Tiger
Why don't we hear about Vegans killing of soybean crops?
Look at this babe, hasn't bathed in a week. Armpit hair and manually draws milk from the cow.
http://www.veganstore.com/
I love filet mignon downvotes by vegan tree eating parasites.
:)
Because vegans are the ones who do most of the whining and complaining, and of course it's never about themselves, always about everyone else who must be the source of their problems.
Plus, haven't you heard? Soybeans don't have eyes. Nor do they have mouths to make a squealing sound when we murder them. They are SO different from animals. A whacky book written 2000 years ago confirms it!
F@ck me, slow news day???
It's only slow news unless you need the check to fund a liberal business watching cloud formations.
Of course, wouldn't expect no less from a corrupt government.
You don't want to hunt, that is your choice, but people calling for the death of a man who enjoys the hunt don't deserve to wear the mantle of "human".
My aunt and uncle are and were avid hunters, and have a stuffed wildcat on their mantle, along with many other trophies. I guess they deserve to die too.
You who decry hunting, among the most basic of human functions, dishonor your ancestors.
Let them buy Mickie D's at $15/hr labor cost. Yum,yum GMO is so good. Humor
Dave chappelle super size me
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCXzEyVdFl0
Were your beloved Aunt and Uncle hunters or f'n poachers? There's a gigantic fucking difference. This is like conflating cowboys and cattle rustlers.
Are you going to compare your Auntie to the fuckterd who shots the last f'n rhino? Sorry man, the world of yesterday is gone. There are too many people for every self-entitled fuck to play out their Teddy Roosevelt fantasies.
You're right. How dare anyone hunt the king's game! Those animals belong to the state!!!!!
That Lion was a lost taxable asset to the State.
Yeah, I personally kill any man who dares to take a bit of the king's game. After all the king is so kind. He mass murders people of a certain color and redistributes their property to those of a different color. That's just awesome.
Kings game? How about they belong to the future? You don't want your grandkids to have a vibrant and diverse world? That's part of their future resiliance you know. There's plenty of desolate rocks floating out in space. Lets try and arrest the process of making this place look the same.
The best way to make sure there are still lions around in a hundred years is to make game reserves legal.
People can and do pay big bucks to hunt big game. They pay pennies to look at lions. The locals know how to exploit their resources a lot better than you do.
The path we are on leads straight to extinction, hunting or no hunting.
Since when are game reserves illegal?
I get it! It's okay to shame somebody if you don't agree with the person's choices or lifestyle. Oh wait, isn't that the same reasoning applied to all forms of shaming?
Trophy hunting is like climbing Mt. Everest. A self-centered, egotistical endeavor which accomplishes little more than wasting resources to bolster a delicate ego. Palmer should at the very least be held up as an example of how not to behave.
That being said, this story does expose a vein of popular hypocrisy. Why cherish this one animal when millions of cows, chickens and pigs are slaughtered yearly for our consumption? Are they somehow lesser animals? Why don't we have reality TV shows about cows, chickens and pigs in factory farms? It is interesting how the "first world" chooses its favorites and to hell with the rest.
Living is like climbing Mt. Everest. A self-centered, egotistical endeavor which accomplishes little more than wasting resources to bolster a delicate ego.
Anything you do in life, whether it be trophy hunting, climbing mountains, playing sports, or reading old books, is a complete waste. If honest selfless beings existed they would kill themselves immediately.
Me so reductionist. You will be dead in 100 years, why not kill yourself now?
Everything you can do in life accomplishes little more, ultimately, than wasting energy. Why not kill yourself now?
I won't be killing myself because I LOVE wasting energy. That's why I love being alive!
If you love being alive, then you must reconcile yourself with the fact that you love doing something objectively pointless and wasting energy. And therefore, you can't use that as an argument against climbing mountains or trophy hunting.
Make sense?
So your biggest accomplishment in life so far has been to become a poster on Zero Hedge? I'm must say I'm dutifully impressed, because for a moment I thought that wasting oxygen was the previous apex of your existence.
My existence is all about wasting oxygen, boosting my ego, burning energy, and basically doing whatever the hell I want, including climbing mountains and shooting animals.
I'll probably be killed by a mob of people like you eventually, but I have no regrets. I'll try to enjoy life until then and take a few of you out with me when the time comes.
Haters gonna hate.
Why such an outpouring over one lion why are they not concerned about us?
Maybe if your name was Cecil Rhodesbabwe, folks would care. Just a guess.
"It's so cruel, but I don't understand the whole fuss, there are so many pressing issues in Zimbabwe — we have water shortages, no electricity and no jobs — yet people are making noise about a lion?" said Eunice Vhunise, a Harare resident. "I saw Cecil once when I visited the game park. I will probably miss him. But honestly the attention is just too much."
Clarence was a hell of a lion. Had a tongue like one of those things at the car wash. It's heartbreaki...WHAT? CECIL the Lion? Africa? Like John Cecil Rhodes? THe British Lion in Africa and all that? Uh oh. I hear drums again.
At the rate Obama is passing executive orders, cannibalism will be legalized.
And according to Homo logic :-)
that will solve all the problems of :
Overpopulation (by straight ppl)
climate change
civilian expenditure
pollution
CO2
Ozone layer
demand for Oil & gas
demand for food
imports
law & order
racism
NSA overload
FBI overload
development costs
and all other problems
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In Matrix-1 , Agent Smith (actualy computer program) caught hold of Morpheus , what he said :
Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.
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In future when mankind allows the cyborgs & computers make decisions about human race , these will make the same exact decision , btw the first computer was designed by a HOMO Alan Turing, and now all computer science students study Turing machine.
So the logical decision by another cockSuckingHomObamma will not be stranger , and it may even solve the problem of food , similar to euroPeons in ancient stone age time who were cannibals & ate human flesh, so why not awaken the ancient dragon Alduin(TES) the world eater .
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Alduin
its a symbol of something like all those chicks bill cosby bagged
I don't understand the problem. The hunting was legal. There was absolutely nothing wrong going on here, and it helped conservation efforts.
You do know that safaris support....wait for it...terrrrrrrismmm. I heard it on NPR so it has to be true. sarc
OK, I will say it. Fuck Cecil the Lion and here is why; which I know I won't be popular for but could give a fuck less. I am sick of hearing about Cecil the Liger. Most Mericans can't even find Rhodesia on a map anyway. Is it not intentionally ironic that the Liger was named Cecil?
How can you to totally rip off everyone and Robert Mugabe's name barely comes up? We have internet don't we? Fuck Cecil the Liger because the whole deal was about cash. I have to hate the media for the coverage we get here as though Zimbabwe is a wonderful place to visit. Maybe it is but it is not on my bucket list. Sounds like another shithole.
Oh well.
As a hunter and actually for the meat....
I do like tropheys. I have 3 6 pt bull elks in my living room... (from 20+ years ago)
If this guy thought he was 100% legal and then busted...
I think the folks that set him up are the criminals...
He paid his money and thought he was on a legal hunt....
I have always wondered about that....
In a 3rd world country with no real laws....
What is a legal hunt?????
"In a 3rd world country with no real laws....
What is a legal hunt????? "
I think you answered your own question.
No real laws = do as thou wilt.
Of course, that's unadulterated Anton La Vey Satanist shit...
IF You feel like killing for sport, you do so.
Ok. So now we've gone there and it's all good, right?
...Not to worry that with some people the lines get a little more blurry as to what right or wrong may be somewhere right around 'do as thou wilt'...
The simple answer is: people go to 3rd world countries with little or no functional law so that they can engage in all sorts of activities that might not be socially acceptable or legal where they come from...
Things like hunt endangered animals -and fuck little children.
Strangely enough some people simply consider both of these pastimes 'tourism'.
And hypocritical leftist liberal progressive pigs who live in 1st world countries abort their unborn children and fuck little children yet go crazy when a legal hunt is conducted.
And real laws are meant to be ignored if leftist liberal progressive pigs don't want to follow them.
Well logger, legal or not, the visual of a weekend warrior dentist from the US going overseas to nail a lion for bragging rights just doesn't sit well with most people. I suppose if the US were plagued with lions like some areas are with bears, it would be a different story. But, Americans see lions as rare, exotic creatures that deserve a better death than being baited out of a reserve for a guy who cleans teeth for a living to kill.
This week's two minute hate
Nailed it.
lions freak me out
they are dangerous and sometimes kill and eat ppl.
one less lion in the world doesn't bother me
Number of people killed by humans is much more , remember that. And America kills civillians without remorse , an example : more than 200000 people killed in 2 nuclear attack on Japan in WW2. And no one has been convicted , btw if we talk about conviction , most of the elected politicians, MPs , bureaucrats & CIA employees will face death sentence for past 70 years. But since America is America so it is blameless.
Somebody, please form a new international body to put on trial these trigger happy Americans and their allies.
Fast
Why is it that leftist liberal progressive pigs and their cronies love corrupt dictators who disarm the people?
but of course
ppl suck and do horrible things...
And sometimes the situation is reversed...
http://www.twincities.com/ci_22730314/woman-mauled-death-by-lion-while-h...
This so-called story "tragedy" is just more noiZ-media distraction.
Regardless, what about the people and kids being killed around the world and here at home by the DC US and their Zionist masters? I care about them.
The Palestinians, Ukrainians, Iraqis, Yemenis, Afghans, etc?
The American people being tazed, sprayed, robbed, and killed on a daily basis?
SO while I feel bad for the lion, I could give a shit about the lion.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
And if the noiZ-media can assist in 9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston "Boom," and Paris, then who's to say this lion thing is even real?!
whine whine whine whine.
the facts that are being ignored here:
1) it's fucking zimbabwe, they most likely issued a license the landowner had a quota and it was 100% legal until the oxford folks got all upset and threatened to pull funding unless a stink was made.
2) baiting lions out of the parks is LEGAL and standard practice in zimbabwe
3) a collared research lion is not off limits nor is it illegal to harvest.
4) the lion was 13 years old. 12~14 years is generally the life span of lions in nature. this wasn't some young up and coming lion, it was an old lion, the type that is targeted for harvest.
The claims that they tried to destroy the collar? They took a trophy, which is standard practice. They take the hide and head, obvious the collar has to come off to do this. If this is not done promptly, then the trophy will be ruined.
Then of course, they dig up every last bit of dirt they can find on the guy.
2003? fishing without a license, and that is generally bullshit
2006? Gosh golly gee, he had an A1 permit instead of an A permit and they harvested a bear in the A area just over the boundary. His guide spotted the bear and made the mistake. And his hunting party had someone with the damned A permit, but that person didn't take the shot. That's literally all that happened. They lied about it, that was the only real mistake. The penalties for it are very vague so yea, it was an innocent mistake compounded by fear. Big whoop.
And then of course, let's drag in some sexual harassment settlement. He fired an assistant, assistant dreams up some imagined claims of "verbal abuse" with zero proof, and there's a settlement lower than court would cost... basically just to make it go away because it was cheaper than trying to fight it.
None of this really has anything to do with this hyped up bullshit "news" story though. It's called manipulation, gotta turn him into some kind of "bad guy" for things that happened a decade plus ago which at the time were insignificant.
And as for the all manufactured rage. this lion was famous to who? no one. not "africa's most famous" lion. not even zim's. at the outstart, the news was calling it "one of zimbabwe's more popular lions". in other words, this is all 100% bullshit and stems from white folks at oxford being butthurt.
I'll bet you'd make the same arguments for eating dog, laomei. It's "standard practice, legal, etc." in China, yes?
oh your poor feels, listen, no one cares. not in the real world. so you can just go on your little twitter and cry about a dumb dead lion that no one actually cared about in the country where it was harvested. in fact, you know what? just for you and just because of this stupidity, i'm going to take part of my rental income next year and go kill a lion in africa.
Well if there's any justice in the world, he'll tear your throat out before you can crack off a shot. In the meantime, enjoy dog steak! And wow, rental income. You must be a big shot!
over $100k in rental income alone with zero debt, and that's not even my dayjob.
The fact that you say crap about your supposed income makes it almost certainly a lie. And based on your track record, any uncertainty vanishes. You are just a lonely internet troll. Good job!
And for using rhino horn and tiger penis to enhance male virility. Nothing like using endangered animals for headonistic purposes.
If you notice this notice you will notice, this notice is not worth noticing.
I am stunned everyone is debating the "okayness" of the killing.
I am not okay with it, but that is irrelevant to what is going on in this article.
There is a culture that is okay with it. There are laws in a country against it. That country and the US are conspiring to look the other way about those laws, so that some rich fucks can come in there and do what ever the fuck they want, because they are rich fucks. THAT IS WHAT IS RELEVANT ABOUT THIS ARTICLE.
Rich fucks seem to get to do whatever they want, no matter the law. Politicians seem to cover for the rich fucks in the hopes they can get some money or favors for over looking the transgression. In other words, just like the economy, rich fucks get one "read" on the law that governs them, the rest of us get fuck all.
No justice.
I actually think the guy may have thought he was okay. I don't want his head even though I disapprove of what he was doing. It is the fact that the law is enforced differently for us and them. Then all of a sudden, this guy may well be caught in the crossfire of politics. I don't like him, but if he did not know it was not legal, he is being scape goated.
MissExpectations I believe it was posted about the Trump boys doing the same thing. Take a long look and fucking think:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/pics-rump-adult-sons-hunting-ga...
he's not rich, you're just poor. poor little poor boy, i can feel your impotence pouring out in a storm of rage of how pathetic and insignificant you are and how that situation will literally never change. now go count the grains of sand in your vagina again, make sure they are all there.
I think you're dramatically overestimating the impact your broken Engrish has on our delicate witto feewings. Now, crawl back into your Chinese shithole.
oh man, look at you, thinking im chinese. that's just fucking hilarious.
Do you agree that the rules are different for the TBTF banks on Wall Street, vs. the rest of us on main street?
All I was saying is that this hunting issue is a parallel of that one. Different rules based on income. Politicians look the other way when one group breaks the law, and nails "the little people" because they cannot give them a reward to look the other way.
I would be surprised if you think that is okay. You are a regular here, you know about all this.
the only freedom is money, that's a simple truth that has never changed. that, and going on safari has nothing to do with it. he hunted a non-endangered animal, that was old, and he paid for it with his own money. how dare he use his own money that he earned in a way that he wants to that is 100% legal.
It looks to me like this guy was set up, that they changed the "informal" rules which made it seem legal, on him, midstream. I never said anything in a post that hated on him as an individual.
I don't like his sport. Some suggested there might be more lions if the sport was allowed to happen. I don't know the answer, I would need to know a LOT more.
Money may be freedom, but it should not buy you a differential enforcement of the rules. Like it seems to on Wall Street as well.
Meanwhile, my conclusion is not far off from the author's conclusion; the author sees a parallel too:
"Come to think of it, that's precisely what happens in the US capital markets too: as long as stocks go up, nobody cares about criminal behavior and bubble blowing (just don't get caught spoofing an ES sell orders). But once the real selling begins..."
he's not rich, you're just poor.
I am debt free and have a good bit of savings. Own my house and cars outright. Have geothermal heat and air, an energy star house that can take a bomblast and 160 mile an hour winds. I am not rich, true, but I am not poor by a very long shot. Could be unemployed for many years and be just fine.
poor little poor boy,
I am a woman. I am tall, though not "big" per se.
i can feel your impotence pouring out in a storm of rage of how pathetic and insignificant you are and how that situation will literally never change.
My situation is good. I keep saving so it probably will change for the better for a while. We all get old, I will eventually. Then I will decline and die, like you.
now go count the grains of sand in your vagina again, make sure they are all there.
I just looked in my vagina, just for you. Counted zero grains of sand. I have fucked my husband on the beach before, but that was a while ago.
With all of your statements you never once told me the problem you had with what I said. Not once.
Not much to figure out, MsCreant. He'd like to think that everyone is as miserable as he is ..
actually i try to eat more vegetarian then meat cuz i see no point in killing animals for food and dont believe in killing for a sport.
when i said that it doesn't bother me about one less lion it is because i don't like dangerous animals, so i am not alarmed that one more is dead
Some animals just scare me. I was watching this one music video and suddenly they start showing this guy being eaten by a lion... It just freaked me out.
I don't know why they had to feature that in the vid. Probably as a shocker, which really did shock the hell out of me. Anyway I eat mainly veggie meat, but occasionaly eat chicken.
Some of us are stunned about the "okayness" of the hypocritical leftist liberal progressives who are outraged that a lion was killed but then want to lynch and kill that dentist for "fairness and justice."
The folks who want to do the lynching are missing the point. The folk defending the hunters are, IMHO, missing the point too.
I think cats are fabulous. I wish we could shoot them with cameras and be happy. I see the point of view that others think hunting is okay and that we eat meat to live so it is hypocritical to differentiate. I get that. I need my protein, nothing else will do, just true.
The rules are different for bankers than the rest of us, that is a consistent thesis here on ZH. In this case, the rules are different for the rich, than everyone else. If the laws say it is not okay to hunt these animals in a certain way, yet our own government conspires with the other government to let it happen, until someone gets caught, THAT IS THE ISSUE. Does not matter one flying fuck what I think of bagging a cat or an elephant. Differential enforcement of the rules is WRONG. It is a symptom of what plagues the globe. It will be the cause of the collapse.
Peace.
"Differential enforcement of the rules is WRONG. It is a symptom of what plagues the globe. It will be the cause of the collapse. "
Disparate and unequal application of 'laws'.
'Laws' are just statist tollbooths managed by bureaucrats..
IF you have money you can buy your way past or through or around the so-called 'law'.
The well off enjoy this arangement. They can afford to...
If the laws are not consistent, why should anyone follow them?
Your money should not let you get away with murder while I commit the same crime and go to prison. One answer would be to get rid of prisons...
I am for minimalist laws. I would like to believe anarchy could work, but I don't think so at this time and place. With a different kind of socialization, I think it is possible in the future. Nietzsche has some great material on this one.
The Constitution, if they actually followed it, looks like it has possibilities. The libertarian stance is attractive. Decentralization is going to be important for our survival. Local groups should all be living social experiments to see which social agreements work best. Localization also allows for redundancies which makes us less fragile.
I am not okay with the wealthy getting around the laws when me and mine have to follow them. Wall Street is using that "state" you talk about to steal from us all. Not okay.
So instead of lynching and killing the hunter, you would rather lynch and kill the bankers and the rich? All of them?
Maybe it's time to grow up and realize that this life will never be "fair" no matter what your favorite leftist politicians like Obama, Hillary, Bernie Sanders, or Elizabeth Warren promise you?
Peace.
I don't see myself as left or right. I see that as a trap, subscribing to a two party system.
You have quite a list of villians there, not sure why you associate me with them.
If you are okay with how the Treasury sells treasuries to the FED in order to "fund" the running of the country, putting us all in debt, I am very surprised. Would I want to kill them, no. I would want to prosecute them. The problem is we know about all kinds of crime all over Wall Street and at the Fed and none of it is being prosecuted. One can feel helpless, then angry. Fantasies of violence are not abnormal in these situations. We have people we pay to enforce the law. They do not enforce it for the ultra rich. They are allowed to then HUNT all of us. I will never be okay with that. I will not just lay back and go "Oh well, the world is unfair, go ahead and take bailout funds and hold me responsible for it as a tax payer, and then turn around and pay yourselves millions in bonus money," for instance.
MsCreant it is a matter of scale. Millions are now indignant about (one) dead old cat 8,000 miles away VS 1.5 million dead, mamed and burned humans (contemplate that number for a moment) leftover by our red and blue political heroes saving the world from Islam or whatever in an endless undeclared war on whatever. It is because your favorite media source chooses not to put the other story in your face with pictures. As I said, a matter of scale.
Millions are pissed-off about all that other shit too - they just bitch about it in the threads and comment sections that deal with those events. Go there are you'll see plenty of pissed-off folks venting just as much.
Just because somebody thinks poaching is a criminal act against humanity doesn't mean they don't care about other injustices too. There's plenty of bitch-worthy activities to go around. This is just one.
It is because there are very few large cats and elepants left in the world. On the other hand, humans have taken over and destroyed everything planet wide. The animals are beautiful. Humans are evil.
I understand you don't get that, and you never will.
The law is enforced differently for them than from us? Not really. If you had the funds, physical and mental ability you could go to Africa and hunt a lion, too. It's not illegal and it's not some kind of conspiracy that only the elite can partake of.
Some things in life require money, and that's OK. In general, you can't expect to get the same service and opportunities opened to you in life if you don't have something of value to provide to people in exchange, and that value is usually money. Please don't suggest that poor, homeless bums should be given equal opportunities to hunt game in Africa, funded by the taxpayer, for it to be a legitimate, equal-opportunity activity.
That's fine if you don't like hunting. Just please don't try to impose what you like or dislike on the rest of us when it has nothing to do with you.
Ah, the poor, stupid, moronic 'hunter' - he didn't know...I hope all you cretins who enjoy murdering, and mocking those murdered, get what you so richly deserve. In my world, you creepy, soulless hunters would be trampled underfoot re instant karma.
Ah, the poor lion cry you stupid, moronic, hypocritical, leftist, liberal, progressive fembots like webb_ster but you all have no problem murdering the hunter..we hope all you hypocritical leftist liberal progressive cretins who enjoy murdering humans, and mocking those murdered, get what you so richly deserve. In the real world, you creepy, soulless, hypocritical, leftist, liberal, progressive fembots will be trampled underfoot re instant karma.
cmon zero hedge, you're sounding more and more like yellow press in recent years.
Although grateful for the "rest of the story," please don't post anymore evidence that the USA has been sucessfully public shool indoctrinated to reamain lifelong children led around by 6 corporate mega-media thought masters. It attracts way too many AIbots, Huffington Post subscribers and confederate flag burning zealots.
The Amerikan government kills WOMAN & CHILDREN around the world ALL DAY AND EVERY DAY ! What do they care about a loin for ?
Muricans killing lions is frowned upon. Muricans killing humans, not so much.
The difference is they were killed for freedom and democracy...
Killing for survival or vanity. "Fucking no difference"?
Such a horse Shit article from zh. How the Fark can you try to connect the sadness of taking the life of a innocent wild animal with the Farking equities market. Dickhead, there are people throughout the world that is appalled of this act, me included and we are already out of equities when the writing was on the was. You make it as though hunting is legit etc. It's barbaric, inhuman and dame right selfish and scum like.
Shitties article I ever read on zh. Yea, the flipping governments are corrupt, didn't we already know this? Does that mean its citizens can hide in cover from their governments corruption. NO!
1.) A civilian plane flight MH17 from Netherlands to Malaysia was downed over Ukraine-Russia border region
2.) Most of the passengers where from Netherlands, Malaysia, UK - no one from Ukraine or Russia.
3.) All evidence goes that putin regime supported separatists or putin regime soldiers downed MH17 using BUK. putin regime denies that and creates on it's controlled propaganda channels different versions what happened but later in June over putin regime controlled propaganda channel is reported that putin regime weapon provider that produces BUK admits that - yes, MH17 was downed by BUK. But than lies continues - by saying that it was not Russia BUK.
4.) Netherlands, Malaysia, Ukraine and other countries initiated UN resolution to create UN tribunal to investigate this terror attack.
5.) Russia was only country that veto this UN resolution and later putin regime representative in UN Churkin told:
"We hope that the investigation will understand and come and impunity for those who knocked plane, and those who sent in a war zone"
http://en.molbuk.ua/world/95960-obmovka-za-freydom-churkin-spodivayetsya...
Now, just how brainwashed idiot you have to be to still believe in putin regime propaganda and not to understand that it was done by putin regime?
The rebels probably did it accidentally. But there are other options open too. It's peculiar the nato awacs havent released data, maybe they dont want to show capability or presence.
I also think that putin regime did it by accident - but still. All those lies and lies keeps spinning around under putin regime lies propaganda machine. Still there are some brainwashed idiots who believe in those putin fantasies.
There was given enough time for putin regime to thought–out a way to explain this tragedy to world by not loosing his face completly - but he just kept on pushing those lies. Now - enough is enough - will have to explain in tribunal.
Most people can see through this, in Russia too, they are familiar with propaganda, in the usa it's more difficult some still belieb there.
Fuck Cecil. He should have paid his taxes.
Get over it and be thankful you are not the lion this time. The powerful are not ashamed of themselves and could not possibly care less about you or how you feel. You are nothing but a consumer of product to make them rich. You are absolutely nothing. Never will be.
Lol this lion was named after cecil rhodes? also noone in africa gives a fuck about this lion, but now they have smelled more cash.
http://therightstuff.biz/2015/07/30/heart-of-pre-modern-darkness/
#BREAKING: Zimbabwe calls for US hunter to be extradited over death of lion
'Cecil'
Uh....outrage over a lion being killed? Really? Give me a break. Have you been watching the abortion mill Planned Parenthood videos? Who cares about pro choice or not, but these folks are picking through baby parts and taking out lungs and kidneys and whatever other parts they can make money off of and selling them to the highest bidder. You know, the blobs of cells that are not human life and are worthless, bust somehow seem to have value in their parts? Its unbelievable. Google it. While you fucking america hating faggots whine about some guy shooting a lion, these freaks have killed about 55 million babies, mostly black babies over the last 40 years. Quite the stealth holocaust. Interesting there is no story here about it......anywhere. Kind of exposes the slant.
Personally, if a woman wants to do tha, it is her business and she has to deal with the aftermath, but the glaring contrast the left has shown when it comes to compassion for animals and trees vs human beings, actual fully formed liiving babies, the essence of innocence, as compared to this stupid fucking lion is amazing.
You young dumbasses need to wafe the fuck up. You think the stock market is all that matters? Your freedom and this country's soul is being stolen from you and you are blindly marching in lockstep. Money means nothing if you dont have freedom. Get educated or end up in a gulag. Unbelievable.
That is the biggest bunch of nothingness I have ever read. All the outrage over the abortion mill, but "who cares about pro choice"?? "Personally if a woman wants to do that" blah blah blah???
Hey, saudis and royals do this stuff all the time and no one gives a crap. What a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites these americans are.