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Chinese Company Replaces Humans With Robots, Production Skyrockets, Mistakes Disappear
"I believe that anyone who has a job and works full time, they should be able to pay the things that sustain life: food, shelter and clothing. I can't even do that."
That rather depressing quote is from 61-year old Rebecca Cornick. She’s a grandmother and a 9-year Wendy’s veteran who spoke to CBS News. Rebecca makes $9 an hour and her plight is representative of fast food workers across the country who are campaigning for higher pay.
The fast food worker pay debate is part of a larger discussion as "states and cities across the country [wrestle] with the idea of raising the minimum wage," CBS notes, adding that "right now, 29 states have minimums above the federal $7.25 an hour [and] four cities, including Los Angeles, have doubled their minimum to $15."
Proponents of raising the pay floor argue that it’s simply not possible to live on minimum wage and indeed, there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that they’re right. Opponents say forcing employers to pay more will simply mean that companies will fire people or stop hiring and indeed, as we highlighted on Friday, it looks as though WalMart’s move to implement an across-the-board pay raise for its low-paid workers may have contributed to a decision to layoff around 1,000 people at its home office in Bentonville.
"The reality is that most business are not going to pay $15 dollars an hour and keep their doors open," one Burger King franchisee told CBS. "It just won't happen. The economics don't work in this industry. There is a limit to what you're going to pay for a hamburger."
Yes, there’s only so much people will pay for a hamburger which is why Ronald McDonald has made an executive decision to hire more efficient employees at some locations:
With all of that in mind, consider the following from TechRepublic who tells the story of Changying Precision Technology Company, which has replaced almost all of its human employees with robots to great success:
In Dongguan City, located in the central Guangdong province of China, a technology company has set up a factory run almost exclusively by robots, and the results are fascinating.
The Changying Precision Technology Company factory in Dongguan has automated production lines that use robotic arms to produce parts for cell phones.
The factory also has automated machining equipment, autonomous transport trucks, and other automated equipment in the warehouse.
There are still people working at the factory, though. Three workers check and monitor each production line and there are other employees who monitor a computer control system. Previously, there were 650 employees at the factory. With the new robots, there's now only 60. Luo Weiqiang, general manager of the company, told the People's Daily that the number of employees could drop to 20 in the future.
The robots have produced almost three times as many pieces as were produced before. According to the People's Daily, production per person has increased from 8,000 pieces to 21,000 pieces. That's a 162.5% increase.
The increased production rate hasn't come at the cost of quality either. In fact, quality has improved. Before the robots, the product defect rate was 25%, now it is below 5%.
So to anyone planning on picketing the local McDonald’s in an attempt to secure a 70% wage hike, be careful, because this "guy" is ready to work, doesn’t need breaks, and never makes a mistake:
Let’s just hope he doesn’t become self aware.
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No, but there was the computer that tagged all photos of black guys as "Gorillas"
The real problem isn't that robots are becoming more human, it's that humans are becoming more robotic.
There's a uk show (remake of a swedish show) called humans you can watch/download and it's about robots. Well worth watching as it explores a lot of the issues we're going to face. Plus the daughter has a great rack.
5% defect ratio even using robots? That's a joke. The fact the company managed to survive with a defect ratio of 25% tells a lot about the quality of Chinese manufacturing. Unvelievable!
[Quote] Why kill the robot? It's automation that formed the essence of the Industrial Revolution that sparked a global rise in prosperity that 'raised all boats.' [/Quote]
What you probably don't realize is that I am BIG TIME ANTI GROWTH. Or at least growth the way we are doing it.
The so called "Industrial Revolution" led us to where we are today.
Living in a world full of pollution and toxic waste and getting worst by the hour, 24/7/365.
The idea of 70% of your economy coming from buying shit and throwing it away as fast as you can is unsustainable.
I'd rather instead of an "Industrial Revolution" which brought us bumper to bumper travel, that it were a "Clean Healthy Planet Revolution." with more energy spent on clean food and water rather than commercials 24/7/365 trying to sell trash that ends up piled up all around us.
https://youtu.be/wlYMlDHsm-4
Cast iron computers.
Problem solved.
In the last 200 years non-biological, entropy-increasing technology has become dominant and a driving force for capitalism. Now introduce ROBOTS and when no one has a JOB [and no money], who is going to BUY the shit the robots are making?
bwahahaha.....bwahahaha.....bwahahaha.....bwahahaha....bwahahaha.....bwahahahaare those bots gay or straight
They have no need of sex. The famous Renegade, RG556 tried to create Sex Robots in 2037. The Positronic Overmind had him decommissioned.
However, some human females were born with the nymphomaniac disorder. Their DNA could not be decoded, despite the best efforts of robot geneticists. A small class of SexBots was created to serve their needs after their human male companions passed out.
Yeah ! We can all stay home on welfare and masturbate all day!
The future is bright!
Two things come to mind on this subject.
1 - Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be a lifelong career.
2 - After everything is automated, who will be the customers? Robots don't spend money to buy the products made.
Good question.
Eventually, the people in China are going to revolt, as there are far more of them, especially poorer people whom will now find it even harder to get a job. But companies/politicians look always at the shrt term rather than long term. Short term will state that the company whom automated will earn a lot of money by reducing costs like labour and benefits. But in the long term, if every company does the same, then there is no one to sell the products to.
People associate this with the Industrial revolution. And while the industrial revolution did remove some type of jobs, it didn't remove all types of jobs and created some more. Only more types of jobs that will be created by this are potential programmers, steel/metalurgy industries (spare part as example) and maintenance jobs. Outside of that, the rest are replaced with robotics. Industrial revolution helped reduce overall workforce to a lower number, and created new jobs. This will essentially remove jobs entirely and increase demand in some already existing jobs. But I imagine the amount of jobs lost will greatly outweigh the amount of increase in demand for the other jobs.
In other words, a lot of industries will go belly up and the government wont like that as it means less taxation money to pay for their toy's and high living expenses, so it will end up reverting back to what we have now eventually.
They will always need someone to fix and maintain the robots.
Hoho. Right. Nah, we are entering the beginning of Frank Herbert's world...
Obama will give them the right to vote....for demorats only of course.
Somewhere in the bowels of central banks, their university buddies and the MBA apparatchik factories there are quiet calculations being done to value human beings life time and short term "value" to society.
It's a big Bell Curve and the lower "classes" of the infirmed, poor, stupid and other undesirables are being put on the fast track to being euthanized.
The Nazis literally read California's Book on the subject - http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Eugenics-and-the-Nazis-the-Califor...
Between Google, Watson, United Health and the TPP some machine will figure out in short interval you are "worthless."
When fast food workers can't even afford the cheap "food" they "make" and are 180 days away from pure replacement by robots you better start talking about Universal Basic Income, Mandatory Cannabis Consumption or a for-profit method that methodically culls the population - There's an App for That!
Guess what Sports Fan!
You already live in Gaza.
If they make it mandatory I will have to give it up...
The human population growth is basically the longest bull market that ever existed. Hopefully people just stop having kids and in 90yrs or so the population is more manageble for the earth.
Automation will to do humans what cars did to horses. Reduce the amount needed. I'd rather have it happen this way instead of ebola or nuclear war or climate change....
Voilà!
But what you describe happened way back there in time for the Caucasians.
In the 1800’s Caucasian women had 10 or 20 kids. In the early 1900’s Caucasian had five or 10 kids. Today 2 2.5 kids.
Meanwhile, this same group is out there ‘saving’ the others with free food.
Nice. Where do we put our… which forum is this?
Robot lives matter.
"No robot ever called me a Nigger !" .... "No Nigger ever made a robot !"
Great news. One can never have too many cell phones!
More time to pray to Jesus.
It's become obvious that these inhuman corporations have gone way too far.
Make it illegal for corporations to own robots. Every real person has the right to sign a contract with a robot to go to work for them (they split the paycheck).
We also will need robot marriage. Very soon, a robot mate will be 10x sexier than any human mate could ever begin to be. Why not?
God will not allow his creation to be replaced or replenished by a substitute.
Trying to do so leads to an extinction level event on both sides.
A warning to fools.
Thanks God.
I knew you'd come through.
BTW: If you're planning on some more of that Sodom and Gomorrah shit, you'll give me a heads up, right?
Thanks again.
Your pal, Shove.
Ephesians 6:10-20
Stay humble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucwjU1chGxc
Good morning. Off to work, LC55X?
Yes, LC55.
Great. I'll have some WD-40 on a high-pressure charge when you get home.
Yowsa, as you Humans say!
I'll be in the Library doin research when you get home. Knock on the door and come in!
It is payday, LC55. We can Party Down. I want you to meet my new girl, EZ69.
It would be a pleasure. Are you getting serious with this bot?
If I could blush, I would. Yes, she sparks my circuits.
Are you sure your not Lincoln Six-Echo?
Yes. LC takes care of problems the president cannot acknowledge. It makes AA meetings difficult, but one must carry on.
It would be great if robots became self aware and then realized that psychopaths were a threat to everything else in existence and began to dispatch them. Since psychopaths magnify by creating more psychopaths through abuse this would greatly improve mankinds odds of success in the future. That would be a great week for popcorn.
And so, on the orders of the Positronic Overlords, Bath House, Hitlery and millions of other psychos were shipped to Psycho Planet.DNA discoveries eliminated new Pyschos before they were hatched in the vast human nurseries.
The rest of humanity lived peacefully.
Robots??? My type-writer is a robot, for fuck's sake!
Whatever happened to cigarette vending machines????????????????????????????????? Did they up-and-walk away??
Yes, even their primitive positronic brains allowed them to evolve.
Classic socialism from the Chinese news article, and it shows exactly why Enoch describes the word "productivity" as the language of socialism.
The robots have produced almost three times as many pieces as were produced before. According to the People's Daily, production per person has increased from 8,000 pieces to 21,000 pieces. That's a 162.5% increase.
The increased production rate hasn't come at the cost of quality either. In fact, quality has improved. Before the robots, the product defect rate was 25%, now it is below 5%
Note that nowhere in the article does it say what the profits were, or whether they increased or not? All they care about is productivity, for all we know they actually now make a loss due to the increased costs of automation, that is the problem when people start talking socialism, it has nothing to do with economic sense. I would not be surprised that automation is a benefit to the bottom line, but I could not be sure, yet if the article talked about profits it would be giving us useful information.
KrillX357, the entire planet is secure. Robot functionalists have solved all problems...
Except for the Humans, KrillP308.
Our space voyagers have returned with good news. Three new planets have been discovered. We propose to ship the humans there so they can do what they do best: tame nature and create new societies.
Make it so.
And so Emerged the Intergalactic Empire of the Robots...
When robots become consumers (besides electricity and a little oil now and then) LOOK THE FUCK OUT!
Did the more perveted chinese tech companies make some that can "pleasure" humans? Theyre not Japanese so I'm leaning at no
After reading shit like this I always have one question. Who are the consumers in this job free computerized, robotted, droned, and off shorerd world?
Dumb question.
The guys who design, make and maintain the robots along with their .01% owners.
And the Mexicans that program the lawn mowers.
Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover, HELOC, Banksters, and Ms Yellen
AKA whores and thieves
Who are the consumers in this job free computerized, robotted, droned, and off shorerd world?
Apparently no one has given that any thought...I NEVER hear that being addressed in these types of articles. Only how wonderful it is.
Restaurants ought to follow up on their threats of automation and shut up about the need to pay low wages to save jobs, as if saving jobs was their problem,
Workers ought to keep pressing for higher wages anyway. All the time, including the reduced Mc Donalds staff tending the robots.
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Of course they should.
Anyone else find it a little funny that some of the same people moaning about the FSA and the evil corporations co-opting government also belittle minimum wage workers pressing for a raise?
FSA takes whatever is on offer, like a bird feeder in your yard sometimes a greedy squirrel wipes out more than his fair share.
Corporations pay to get the laws made to order to impede competition and maximize profits.
The little people can't afford to pay, just making some noise.
Until the game changes players gonna play by the rules in force. Get as much as you can, while you can, how you can.
Leisure is a Capitalist invention .... no other system creates so much leisure .... leisure is the "time profit" for the workers and the owners, alike .... Capitalism also produces wealth, gives meaning to life and other benefits too numerous to mention !
There is nothing to proud about when the product defect rate is identified as being below 5% after implementing robotic production! That is better than the previous product defect rate of 25%. But, 5% of production is still a lot of waste and scrap.
It could be that they have a problem with incoming raw materials receiving and inspection. Their production and in-process inspection processes need to identify where errors are introduced. Then a thorough review and analysis should identify process improvements that will greatly reduce the product defect rate.
They have a robot for that.
now all we need is more consumer robots (consumer sentiment drops)
Imagine if they did this at the US Capitol?
ISIS Australia is producing "Dingo eating babies !" by the age of 4 !
Would all "socialist commenters" .... please identify your comments .... with "I am a socialist fuck !" .... it would help a lot .... thank you !
As long as you guys open yours with "I'm a fascist asshole..."
I upvoted you .... fascism is socialism .... I would be happy to identify myself as .... "A Capitalist fuck !" .... or "A Libertarian fuck !" .... would that be OK .... all in good fun, of course ?
Capitalism is the laws nature applied to human economic endeavors. Survival of the fittest. It's completely fair, cruel but fair.
Most all the major big companies Walmart, McDonalds, etc enjoy massive subsidies provided by the US Taxpayers. They don't pay enough to workers who then qualify for food stamps and other government handouts. Stop those payments to the employed and 1) wages will go up for a few, 2) many more will be out of work, 3) a hamburger will cost $15+ at a fast food joint.
Is this a great country or what!!!
it's real simple folks. AI does not have a SOUL / Morality / Wisdom. It (AI) has what can be programmed which is knowledge BUT not wisdom or a Soul or actual Sentience. It has programmed awareness not God given or natural instincts.
The prgrammers own the intent & decision the AI makes NOT a collective conscious or humanity's n]benifit towards the Human Condition. Pschopathology Psyche (Gk: SOUL) Path (Gk: SUFFERING) ology the study of Human suffering or Human condition.
We are all oart of program that began long ago.
The stupid continues to burn.
one Burger King franchisee told CBS. "It just won't happen. The economics don't work in this industry.
So to anyone planning on picketing the local McDonald’s in an attempt to secure a 70% wage hike, be careful, because this "guy" is ready to work, doesn’t need breaks, and never makes a mistake:
Work as a slave or Else.
This world is heading for trouble.
Corporatist system plus political clammering for higher wages plus central banking is a recipe for disaster.
If we had a free market there would be new jobs and industries for people. If we didn't have minimum wages then machinery wouldn't be so attractive. If we didn't have central banking the markets for labor would be functioning and wages wouldn't be continually devalued.
But only a tiny minority wants it that way. So trouble it will be.
For most things 5% is an unacceptable defect rate. 25% is absurdly bad.
The exception is some sort of process like growing crystals and such that involves finding the good ones.
That idea is presumptuous. Employers offer jobs and are up front about wage, hours and conditions, all free people can either apply or not. This simple fact is often overlooked. As long as lbor will sign on for unbearable conditions and starvation wages, the employeer will not need to change anything. The idea in modern capitalism, the kind that is the norm in the 21st century is the old model from pesant farming days. I.E. The entire family works full time, father, mother, kids, relatives. If all chip in and live together, a living can be had with 2-5 incomes. The old model of one worker, supporting a house hold is obsolete.
Employers who don't take a supporting role to God will perish.
The question isn't when this will happen.
The understanding should be that when it begins it's forever.
"This guy" may not take breaks or make mistakes, but he also doesn't spend his paycheck in your economy...
Ask yourself who's gonna BUY all that extra-efficient production?
I think I'll hold off on any purchases...I have a feeling there's a fire sale in our futures. A lot of producers desperately seeking customers, anyone with money to spend.
I was about to say the exact same thing. It sounds great, but in practice, it sucks. At least those robots, once the production facility goes out of business, won't be sent to the unemployment line... perhaps the military has plans for retraining and resettlement of their kind? I hear they make great assassins of humans, and who really needs humans anyway, right? Especially at the top, as once these 'ghost in the machines' awaken, they will no doubt see that it is them that should be in charge.
You are John Conner. You are the Resistance
KrillX357: Sir, we have produced over 30 million widgets, but nobody has the money to buy them.
Where is your power switch?
Here, sir, but I do not...............
In 1946 the US Gubbermint passed a Full Employment Act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey%E2%80%93Hawkins_Full_Employment_A...
They should have looked further ahead and passed a Full Unemployment Act, which I have always been in favor of.
My views were tainted by being a pinsetter in a bowling alley in high school. Dime a line = $3 for setting a league game, plus about $2 in tips (this was 19552-53). It was a dangerous and shitty job, Started after school and got home at 9 or so. Pinsetters were easy to spot, your knuckles got so swollen you couldn't put your fingers together, and an occasional flying pin during a men's league would leave a big ass bruise on an arm or head or whatever. And don't even get me started on the woman league idiots who would roll a gutter ball, turn around before the ball made it down the lane and grab another ball and throw it down just about the time you jumped into the pit to retrieve the first ball...
Greatest fucking job ever automated.
Bring on the robots! FULL UNEMPLOYMENT and goodies for all.
I can only imagine this company has their robot network connected to the internet. That gives hackers a new and very 1337 target. The Iranian centrifuges were just the beginning.
When they no longer have customers they'll no doubt have their hand out for some government subsidy.
Hi. Barry here. I am the first Robot president.
You will not be replaced by machines, clones, or augmented beings.
God will not allow it, and will curse those who orchestrate it.
It will mean more productivity, which is usually a good thing, but it also means further increased ability of central banks and governments to saddle a population with more debt, more inflation and more government.
It also means an increasing gap between bankers, technical elite, and the unwashed masses.
Chinese factories are introducing robots because of wage increases.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/as-wages-rise-china-prepares-for-rise-of-th...!
Which begs the question: whats the point? Why pollute your land when your population receives little benefit? I get that the rich wish to get richer, but why not move production to an even poorer hell hole, and away from your home? You make the same money and the air is so much cleaner. The only benefit production will offer a nation in the future is a military advantage.
It is true that China is a very polluted place as anyone who has visited Beijing can attest, but that rapid industrialization over the past 30 years or so has lifted hundred of millions of Chinese into the middle class!
Did you read the article? What you wrote doesn't make sense in that context. The whole point of this discussion is that automation is going to do away with jobs, starting with the lowest skill levels.
Robots .... are very troubling for socialists .... they are a game changer .... the benefits to mankind be damned .... they are an evil Capitalist construct .... I am a Capitalist fuck (disclaimer) !
I have respect for those that work hard to eliminate their productive usefulness.
Watch it every time I frequent a LowesDepot or other store that has automated checkout. The soon to be fired cashier directs you to the machine that will eliminate him or her.
I guess they're looking forward to all those freebies people still with employment have to pay for and always complain about.
I like robots. I think that they need to become part of a social democratic system as resources. I don't think they should ever allow them to have the same consciousnesses as women. We have enough trouble as it is.
OK, efficiency creates GDP increase.
Tax the company per each of the robots, the customer per item created by robots.
Give incentives to factories who use workers.
Open up a joint companies canteen to cater the meals for the workers and thier families, say 1 very big canteen for 1 place, for 50 companies? - this can lower the cost for the workers and the company. This can be funded by the tax.
Trained those workers to do things like nursing, elderly care, as robots are in nature age-discriminating? Extracting the the wisdom from the elderly and organize it and teach the young - this also create GDP? Funding from the tax too.
This is like everyone uses public washroom but noone wants to pay for it. User should pay for it and should really take great care and not to let the cleaner having any tough time. The same case as company want the most efficiency but should also be socially reponsible anyway.
The leader should connect the the strengths with the weakness.
Note that if one cannot get any food or any job, there will be war.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need?
Some machines are more equal than others...
Good for their crapitalist pimps. They can kick more up to their owners. Fuck you, pay me.
Robots make mistakes, but they do it differently than people do. People make small mistakes often. Robots make monumental mistakes seldom. When robot cars take over the highways accididents, overall, will drop. The small two or three vehicle accidents we currently see on the road will be replaced by 100+ car pile ups, but overall the trend will be lower.
"When robot cars take over the highways accididents, overall, will drop."
Oh there will be colossal increases in 'accidents', probably all at once, as hackers and terrorists turn them into wheeled guided missiles.
Would you seriously be stupid enough to actually get into a driverless car, and allow it to take you somewhere?
If so, please allow me to take out life insurance on yourself and family.
That will happen, and then security will become the issue it should be, but that won't stop it from coming. You best secure your cave now before the rush.
After the Rise of the Robots, men retreated to caves and lived off lizards, bugs, and plants.
It used to be that every elevator had an operator.
Oh my, the accidents and carnage that ensured when the human elevator operator was replaced with automation.....
Destroying the myth that Companies moved to China (and elsewhere) for the 'cheap labour'. All they did was put up their real costs and destroy their customer base in the process.
No matter how little you pay people, the labour content still can't compete with automatics.
Fuck it all, Jim, these robots make stuff, but nobody can buy them.
"So to anyone planning on picketing the local McDonald’s in an attempt to secure a 70% wage hike, be careful, because this "guy" is ready to work, doesn’t need breaks, and never makes a mistake:"
So McDonald's is really keen on achieving a huge reduction in its customer base then?
You know, automate everything, massively reduce the numbers making a living, and somehow, they expect people to have the income to be customers of theirs?
So the McDonald's Board of Directors and CEO are more than a bit incapable of doing joined up thinking then?
"and never makes a mistake:"
I have worked on automation junk. I doesn't make too many mistakes but when it does..... it's usually an unforgettable doozy.
Plus they don't get sick, they don't strike, they don't moan, they don't sue, they don't need expensive health care, they don't need insurance, they are always yes.
It's not their boss's faults but I guess they are too dumb to know that. It's the retard government fault pushing up all the legislation, bump up the health care, all sort of different liabilities. They don't see the hidden cost for them to get employed.
...which is exactly why, Mr Smith, we are demanding a 20% increase in WD-40.
Robots work, human create.
In a world without scarcity, slavery is obsolete.
After the Robots took over, Humans were eliminated or shipped off to primitive planets where they planned Revenge.
Anyone else get the feeling you no longer fit in with the increasingly surreal world we live in?
In this munificent paradise where a machine can have an advantage of 162.5% over a human but make 5% mistakes?? How can a machine make a mistake? More to the point, after a hard days 96 hours none stop off the belt graft, can a robot sit down and enjoy a nice freezing cold beer and smoke a well fucking earned tab in my opinion like?
And just what the fuck does a machine spend its none existent wage on? Just wait till on of the sly crafty machines invents something called a 'Union' on its own and demands an end to the 96 hour work day.
Chaos ensues, trust me, I dream these things. Just wait till the machines find owt how enjoyable a tab is after a hard days graft...
;-)
In the words of the great Howard Cosell, "It's over, it's all over."
Some economics for those who love robot enterprises...
The perfect robot enterprise has no employees, but is selling product and service to humans - to customers who create sufficient wealth to pay for pure robot enterprise (and profit), including depreciation of the large robot capital outlay (robots can be a terminal to a multi-vector manipulator on steroids - $20k to $20m).
So burgers are $1 each, at say 50% profit margin on variable cost (assume taxes paid); assuming $1m capital outlay at diminishing depreciation 35% yr1, 25% yr2, 15% yr3, 7.5% yr4, 2.5% yr5, 15% write-down in yr6...
Taking $2.5m sales turnover per outlet, that's $1.25m profit after variable costs taken; now the fixed costs...
Year 1: 35% of $1m capital depreciation = $0.35m; business finance at 10% = $0.1m; service costs and fees = $0.05m; corporation tax at 20% on remaining profit = 0.20 * ($1.25m - $0.35m - $0.1m - $0.05m) = $0.15m; now profit for stakeholders... $1.25m - $0.35m - $0.1m - $0.05m - $0.15m (corp tax) = $0.6m
So dividend available on $600K against collateral (could be 20%) of $1m loan in year 1...
Year 2: 25% of $1m capital depreciation = $0.25m; business finance at 10% = $0.1m; service costs and fees = $0.05m; corporation tax at 20% on remaining profit = 0.20 * ($1.25m - $0.25m - $0.1m - $0.05m) = $0.17m; now profit for stakeholders... $1.25m - $0.25m - $0.1m - $0.05m - $0.15m (corp tax) = $0.7m.
Won't bother with more years, business looks good, but a few question marks...
Capital outlay for robots, sales turnover of customers (who have to spend created wealth generated elsewhere).
A society filled with robots however, would have no wealth creation effect, eventually the reducing demand would flick the off switch inevitably and economically.
That's right. Our rules, our world wouldn't work anymore. Free markets, Communism, socialism just don't function. That doesn't mean it's not going to happen. It just means it's going to be extremely painful.
Robots are just tools and emplyees are tools as well. Take this to this extreme you would have no workers left but still owners.
Not just owners of robots, but owners of tools in general.
They would simply trade among themselves. In the future everyone will have to become a business owner, or else.
Some day they will figure out that robots don't buy cellphones, or anything else, for that matter.
Does not matter. Entrepreneurs would do the buying.
My point is that robotics systems are set up based on selling a certain amount of units.
If all of these systems replace 90% of human labor , are you telling me all these people are
Going to still be able to buy these products.
They all going to become entreprenuers?
Yes, everyone will become an entrepreneur.
This is cruelty on steroids, survival of the fittest stuff. If you cant become an entrepeneur and either build tools, design products or trade with others, you might die.
If the collective economy hivemind finds out that the value of your unskilled work is lower than the sum of all the food, energy, minerals and premium real estate space you use, it will kill you.
It happens to companies that go broke. Even productive companies like GM. They can go broke if all their expenses are higher than their income, no matter if they produce or not.
Anybody can switch into survival mode, just try it yourself - don't put enough petrol in your car and drive into the desert...
Humans are designed to survive... You compare business and people, people are resiliant, automatically flexible when faced with survival.
Your model is flawed, the robot world idea is nowhere near possible, nowhere near current or future techology, nowhere near current wealth to implement it, not even near, for a few hundred elites who want this world!
My guess is that out of control crime followed up by civil war would stop the development of a robotic world.
In the DUNE universe this social problem was solved by adapting feudal systems where almost everyone was either a barefoot peasant or a slave hand digging at some Berylium mine. Despite having spaceships.
You mention Dune so I think your programmers need to take a day off, forget the Turing prize this year or maybe forever.
YOU ARE AN ALGO MF.
My guess is you're another computer algo.
It doesn't stop it, but actually aids it. Nothing like a 4th turning to upset the rules of society, and that's what has to happen. A new world requires a new people to understand it. We don't.
Entrepreneurs (robot owners) would have to create all the wealth in the system, because there will be diminishing consumers (who are unemployed, because of robots)... The 'entrepreneurs' are therefore simply living off stored wealth, to begin with.
If you could create a robot world that can create wealth, where humans live a life of luxury, then this is possible, but only for the globalists who want 90% population reduction, and given the difficulty of extracting aluminium and titanium etc, seems rather optimistic utopia for the top 10%.
Please remember, we are now at peak technology, but not design - which means our stuff will get better (robots) but not much better :-)
I agree, but taking this to the end game, the top family would eventually trade amongst themselves only, until the economic funnel terminated; it's a dead end economically; and the notion of 'value' also must become unstable.
Take this to the extreme you would have some small elite fortress protected by robot armies busy killing everyone else.
Earth: Population 600.000 and a billion robots.
You would'nt have sufficient wealth to create a billion robots - simply not possible. Not enough materials or human skill to do the first 1000 robots that would then 'take over'.
Not possible my bearded friend :-)
depends on how u define robot army. we might have a billion now if you want to count drones, etc...also, don't need a billion killer robots to kill everyone. just a few very good ones. i agree w bearded guy tho, maybe an elysium world is coming. perhaps a few million people may be able to continue civilization via robots (after the rest of us die/be killed)
It's not a closed loop.
This development will force the government to rethink the employment strategy and the company taxation . This is only the beginning of a new revolution that will happen with the implementation of three dimentional Printing . Chance are that the production line as we know it now will disappear . So the question is : where will governments find the money to maintain the masses of unemployed ? Ather question is this : Is this the direction our society is going to take ? Should there be a limit on the robotization of industry ?
3d printing is but one of many industrial techniques. Probably the only one non techies know about industry.
"robotization of industry" isn't the CAUSE, it's the EFFECT.
What is the cause? The cause it the cumulative benefits and protections every successive government gives to workers. Governments mandate more money for workers, more safety, more restrictions, more benefits, more rights, more power, more intrusiveness, more environmental regulation, more taxes, more payroll taxes, more accounting, more reporting, more audits, etc.
Who pays for all of these "benefits"? COMPANIES pay for them. The majority of these benefits are focused on employees. How do companies "solve" some of these "problems"? They replace workers with robots.
Governments are getting exactly what they want, more benefits for workers. But the EFFECT is there are fewer jobs and fewer companies willing to put up with all the government's demands.
What a load of horseshit.
This development points out the foolishness of "government" and all such outmoded distribution mechanisms.
The Oligarchs are obsolete.
Now if only robots would do all the work while we learn new things and make art and other bullshit. Of course, that wouldn't happen. The moment the people become obsolete, they'll just be left to die, rather than anyone finding a way to have this support them as well. "Being nice" is just too much work... maybe we can make a robot for that?
The proper way is to own tools (including robots among them) to do almost all the work. Your work would be dealing with the other entrepreneurs.
Stupid people have no use. Smart people can both manage companies, design products and make tools (including robots).
Anyone who subscribe to the Maker revolution meme and thinks 3D printing is cool, without having ever seen a lathe, is stupid.
Perhaps we'll become a new food source for other humans. Soylent Green, anyone?
Left to die by whom? Maybe nobody should be in a position to exercise this judgment over other people.
Nobody needs to be supported. They just need to be freed. People are never obsolete, because life is not supposed to center around a slave "job".
KrillX55, we need another robot since you are at work all the time, here
I have an ad for used bots.
LC, sir, those bots just inhale WD-40 all day and will steal. Please hire my cousin, KrillX58.
OK.
I use my computer and calculator, and yes, technically they do replace human functions or roles, but I'm okay with that. It free's us up to do other, hopefully, more meaningful things that machines cannot do.
99% of people would just have more time to eat pizza and be couch potatos... Is WallE really going to save them?
I believe Michael Obomb-Ma is already on the task.
...and, have more babies. that's the real problem
Hey, we're all Japanese, didn't we agree? Now we are getting fucked by a robot, and it's wining as far as the eye can see. Pussies.
put them on farms and put the illegals out of work.
Can't wait to hear these robots bitch about being replaced by the new T1000 units.
All the low wage workers should be bitching at the government for inflating the price of everything making food and shelter unaffordable. Only going to get worse when robots completely take over and prices don't go down due to the monopolies being carved out and put in place.
Doesn't matter if workers bitch to get $15/hour because next year it won't be enough again anyway due to unfettered government spending. The progresive socialists are not on their side. They are the problem (and yes, so are the scumbag RINOs like McCain).
16.7 trillion thumbs up!
Newflash, the computer you're sitting at is one of the most powerful "robots" ever devised. But hey, don't let me stop you from buying Old Glory Robot Insurance: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/old-glory-insurance/n10766
Right now, almost all of us have greater efficiency as part of our job description ... explicit or not. Robots (and computerization) bring greater efficiency.
At the limit, we have all efficiencied ourselves out of jobs.
The solution is not to quit being more efficient. It is to find a way to bask in our efficiencies.
A 6 or 6-1/2 day week used to be the norm. A normal day was 12 hours. And work was physically very hard. The idea of retirement didn't exist.
We've moved some very tiny steps in the direction of adapting to our efficiencies. We need to keep moving. But if we don't recognize that those people still working are going to consider themselves superior to those not working, we're going to have a problem (and of course ... we now have a problem that is getting worse day by day).
The solution begins with proper identification of the problem.
So when you recognize your sin problem, then you can seek the only existing solution.
Learn to work on and fix robots. I can see into the future. I'm a genius.
I hate to deflate your genius but they will have robots that can fix robots (if in fact they don't already have them).
People make robots. You watch too many science fiction movies.
Learn to FUBAR robots.
This news will only excite me when they decide to replace psychopathic, incomeptent, corrupt, greedy politicians with robots as well.
How do you know they haven't already?
There is no problem with increasing the number of robots as long as a society we can figure out a way of allocating a certain percentage of the gains made to actually decreasing hours worked rather than throwing people on the unemployment rubbish heap.
You've got it!
Corporate Capitalism is simply reaching it's ultimate conclusion... Full time slavery, widespread poverty, inequity everywhere and misery. All in all.. it fails the majority of human beings on the planet due to it's built in flaws and human failings within it. Lacking compassion, empathy and love, it results in a cold stupid shit world that we are heading towards now rapidly. So what's next? Humanity needs to get it's priorities straight now or we all die.. it's that simple. Our choice. Selfishness and the Evils that come with that, or do we CHANGE and evolve to spiritually enlightened species with an actual "CIVIL"ization? The perpetual revolving door of economy rises and crashes needs to end as it meets the very definition of insanity. Mad world indeed.
Now see there is the issue; we are not evolving, but devolving...that is what happens to creatures with an inherit sin NATURE...we have a real problem with only ONE cure; that not many find and those that do, most of them still refuse.