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The Cyber Wars Begin: Obama Says US "Must Retaliate" Against China For Historic Data Breach
On Friday, we highlighted a "secret" NSA map which purports to show every Chinese cyber attack on US targets over the past five years. "The prizes that China pilfered during its ‘intrusions’ included everything from specifications for hybrid cars to formulas for pharmaceutical products to details about U.S. military and civilian air traffic control systems," intelligence sources told NBC, who broke the story.
The release of the map marked the culmination of a cyber attack propaganda campaign which began with accusations that North Korea had attempted to sabotage Sony, reached peak absurdity when Penn State claimed Chinese spies had taken control of the campus engineering department, and turned serious when Washington blamed China for what was deemed "the largest theft of US government data ever." "Whether all of this is cause for the Pentagon to activate the 'offensive' component of its brand new cyber strategy remains to be seen," we said yesterday.
As it turns out, the Office of Personnel Management breach will indeed be used to justify a cyber "retaliation"against China, because as The New York Times notes, "the hacking attack was so vast in scope and ambition that the usual practices for dealing with traditional espionage cases [do] not apply." Here’s more:
The Obama administration has determined that it must retaliate against China for the theft of the personal information of more than 20 million Americans from the databases of the Office of Personnel Management, but it is still struggling to decide what it can do without prompting an escalating cyberconflict.
The decision came after the administration concluded that the hacking attack was so vast in scope and ambition that the usual practices for dealing with traditional espionage cases did not apply.
But in a series of classified meetings, officials have struggled to choose among options that range from largely symbolic responses — for example, diplomatic protests or the ouster of known Chinese agents in the United States — to more significant actions that some officials fear could lead to an escalation of the hacking conflict between the two countries.
That does not mean a response will happen anytime soon — or be obvious when it does.
So the US will do something, it just doesn’t yet know what or when or even if anyone will notice, but one thing is clear: "this aggression will not stand, man."
The problem with "symbolic" responses is that they are merely, well, symbolic, and any real retaliation risks escalating the "cyberconflict." Then again, not doing anything also risks prompting an escalation:
But over recent days, both James Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, and Adm. Michael S. Rogers, director of the National Security Agency and commander of the military’s Cyber Command, have hinted at the internal debate by noting that unless the United States finds a way to respond to the attacks, they are bound to escalate.
Mr. Clapper predicted that the number and sophistication of hacking aimed at the United States would worsen "until such time as we create both the substance and psychology of deterrence."
This echoes the rhetoric from the DoD’s "cyber strategy" released in April which says that "deterrence is partially a function of perception [and] works by convincing a potential adversary that it will suffer unacceptable costs if it conducts an attack on the United States."
For now at least, it looks like criminal charges are off the table.
The Justice Department is exploring legal action against Chinese individuals and organizations believed responsible for the personnel office theft, much as it did last summer when five officers of the People’s Liberation Army, part of the Chinese military, were indicted on a charge of the theft of intellectual property from American companies. While Justice officials say that earlier action was a breakthrough, others characterize the punishment as only symbolic: Unless they visit the United States or a friendly nation, none of them are likely to ever see the inside of an American courtroom.
"Criminal charges appear to be unlikely in the case of the O.P.M. breach," a study of the Office of Personnel Management breach published by the Congressional Research Service two weeks ago concluded. "As a matter of policy, the United States has sought to distinguish between cyber intrusions to collect data for national security purposes — to which the United States deems counterintelligence to be an appropriate response — and cyber intrusions to steal data for commercial purposes, to which the United States deems a criminal justice response to be appropriate."
Instead, the US may look to remove the so called "great firewall" which Beijing uses to censor content it considers to be subversive or otherwise objectionable.
One of the most innovative actions discussed inside the intelligence agencies, according to two officials familiar with the debate, involves finding a way to breach the so-called great firewall, the complex network of censorship and control that the Chinese government keeps in place to suppress dissent inside the country. The idea would be to demonstrate to the Chinese leadership that the one thing they value most — keeping absolute control over the country’s political dialogue — could be at risk if they do not moderate attacks on the United States.
So perhaps there's a silver lining in all of this: China's 650 million internet users may, if only for a split second, be free to surf the web without the Politburo filter.
Of course if the US really wanted to do some cyber damage, the Pentagon could hack into China's National Bureau of Statistics and see what the country's real GDP figure looks like, and if that doesn't teach them a lesson, maybe the best option would be to breach China Securities Finance Corporation and hit the "sell" button.
Finally, for those interested to monitor the global cyber war in real time, you can do so via Norsecorp by clicking on the following map.
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Trouble is; an hour after a Chinese hack attack-- I want to hack again.
USA: laughing stock of the world.
... .gov: ... well, DARPA ... what have you got to say now ... YOU created this "internet" thing and it's coming back to haunt us ...
Oh, it's not gonna be long before we send some "Kinetic Democracy" China's way.
"This thing will get out of hand. It will get out of hand and we'll be lucky to live through it."
And, of course, the obligatory.... "I would like to have seen Montana"
Put a retaliatory tariff of 10% on all Chinese imports. More attacks mean 20%. Then 30%.
Everybody wins. Except the Chinese.
How about revoking "most favored nation status"
nah
Chinese paid Bill Clinton $100 million for most favored nation status.
Not to mention all of our rocket and satellite tech.
The elite super hack China used consisted of the U.S. Gov giving a Chinese IT consultant in China root access in order maintain their server.
Outsourcing only works if you are not a retard.
Send Kerry to China. I'm sure Kerry could get the Chinese to agree to stop hacking US computer systems. And, after the Chinese agree to stop hacking us, Obama could have a photo-op and give another speech nobody will listen to.
Forward (over the cliff)!
Dear US Govt
I have zero sympathy for US Govt and Corporations if they cannot protect themselves from Chinese Hackers, though I do not believe Chinese Hackers stole anything. You know as well as the rest of the world knows that Chinese Hackers did not steal any western technology. Western Corporations willingly gave up their secrets in return for cheap Chinese labour.
You guys willingly sent all of your manufacturing to China, willingly trained up Chinese programmers, willingly made life difficult for western computer programmers, and willingly imposed HUGE debt and education burdens on would-be computer programmers in the US and other western nations. The people responsible for these atrocities are guilty of treason as they aided a foreign nation while willingly destroying their own nation.
As far as these Chinese "hacking" allegations go, you can eat shit and die. Your accusations are of lesser credibility than "The dog ate my homework" ... with said "homework" being written in beef and gravy.
"Eeeek! We can't protect ourselves from Chinese Hackers!" WHY NOT??????? It was YOUR technology that YOU GAVE to them, while you then went on to crush your own people under a mountain of debt. There are a number of things that you could have done differently and achieved better results for both you and China. But you chose not to. You shat in your own bed. Now you have to sleep in it.
so that was the reason that foolish viking map was in the press again few weeks ago (since it was gone for a year).
You mean from the US? Haha!
Great idea, fight statism with statism. /sarc
More govt can't fix this problem.
you got moar down arrows than China.
I broke up with a Chinese girl once. She hacked my laundry after she took my dog for a wok.
It's hard to break up with a girl when your dog likes her.
Did he start barking at you?
D id hackers gain access through Hillary's private server?
Bullshit. If they did do it then stop importing from China. Thought so.
Israeli contractors sold it to them.
So decrees the fudgepacker...
Shouldn't Americans retaliate against the NSA and their breaching of our data?
+1,000.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
No shit.
This is how fucked up it's gotten, the government is going to charge Lt.Cmdr.Timothy White with discharging his personal firearm on "federal property" in protection of his life and others for shooting at Joe Jihad (the Chattanooga shooter) who killed five unarmed military personnel.
Now, after lying about the Sony-North Korea incident and after not being able to protect OTHER government employees private information any better than they protected the lives of those in Chattanooga (BY ITS OWN ADMISSION!) they are going to poke China with a stick (maybe) and expect people like Lt.Cmdr.Timothy White to fight for them?
Fuck them.
With respect, but after 9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston "Boom," and Paris, how do we even know that Chattanooga even really happened and that there is a Lt.Cmdr.Timothy White to be prosecuted?
I am not saying it's a false-flag, but hey, "They lie about everything. Why would they lie about this?"
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
One motivation to fake it: The evangelical Christian and neocon supporting sheeple out in the Bible Belt are huge supporters of the military, and would take umbrage to one of their heroes being persecuted. Especially for a so-called gun offense.
With all due respect, the thing about false flags is .gov telling you what to believe has happened...as opposed to real people witnessing and saying what actually happened.
One can't be easily confirmed, the other one can, easily.
For example, in this particular case, .gov is saying China hacked GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES AND CONTRACTORS private information stored within government databases.
So the question becomes, is this true or false, do they provide poof!?
No, they don't ;-)
Barack is going to sell all the NSA data to improve our trade balance.
One of my clients was in the Bostom boom and he was in a hospital for a few months. I only found out about this because when I asked what happened to our client, the Architect mentioned what happened. This guy had absolutely no reason to stop paying everyone and disappear during that time period, I generally know how the money is coming to us for most projects. He also now walks with a cane, but I guess Willy Wonka did too.
No one disputes the when and the where. What is disputed is the how, the what, the why, and the who.
Its reasonable to expect that the maiming of innocent bystanders would result in a robust and thorough investigation.
Its not reasonable to assume an investigation was robust and thorough simply because it was reasonably expected to be.
Critical thinking - you should try it some time...
We must sell them more Coca-Cola and fast food franchises!
We must buy more of their electronics and plastic shit!
They must buy more or our treasury bonds!
That'll teach 'em!
Somebody needs some FREEDOM coming their way!!
too much false indignation-the Fed.Gov was bent over the table by the guys buying their bonds
Someone let our creditors have our details-something most creditors demand anyway
and now Fed.Gov is crying "thief thief!!!"
It wasn't China.
I confess, it was me
Just joking NSA watchers.
Be serious. America's enemies are everywhere, and if they aren't, we'll manufacture them. And frankly, this move back into manufacturing in America is welcome and long overdo.
Manufacturing what? Fiction?
Manufacturing consent.
Cyber wars are fucking hysterical.. it's like a fucking bitch fight. Bunch of fucking pussies anal fisting other pussies with 1's and 0's.. and I'm a software developer by profession. Look, Obama.. if someone bitch slaps you, you don't get into a slapping, sissy fight with them.. you end it with a right cross and send the fucker to the ER.
...fucking cyber fight... HA!
First roole Fight Crub!
No Talkie!
Kill... Kill... Kill...
Just to illustrate the conspiratorial mind I have; Chances are it's our own network of hackers using China proxies to create the illusion of war so they can justify the future greater control over the internet, and perhaps, more wars.
Yup.
Yeah, sounds conspiratotial all right. Of course, most of the things we thought the NSA would never do, Snowden revealed they were doing. Today, I lean toward thinking that, if they have the ability to do it, they're doing it.
Chinese cyber attack........
They better hope the U.S doesn't find a chink in their firewall.
I see what you did there! :>D
fatlibertarian:
You could easily be right but Occam's Razor = It didn't happen.
See my post above - Corps willingly gave their secrets to China in return for cheap labour plus "The dog ate my homework" plus giving rope to the hangman while disarming and indebting their own would-be minders.
If you park your Ferrari in someone else's drive-way and give them the keys, is it still "theft"? ...
Can the US government get any more infantile?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33730758
What are friends for if you can't spy on them?
Why enemies of course silly, once they spy on you.
God darn it! I now know why my am/fm Radio Shack transistor radio doesn't work ... it's the Red Commies!
If we dont stop 'm now, who knows what they'll do next?! Cut our Netflix or sumthun!
"The Cyber Wars Begin: Obama Says US "Must Retaliate" Against China For Historic Data Breach"
This week's humor a little late.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Or put another way: Just fucking redonkulous.
The cocksucking American Government has hacked every country in the entire World with the NSA, USARMY PSYOPS, FBI, CIA, and probably a few other effing' acronyms those fucking sociopaths operate in secret until they get FUCKING caught, eh, motherfuckers.
Up yours, America. If you want to see aggression just keep pissing me off and I'll fill your cup to overflowing you lying sacks of shit.
Relax, we just proved everyone in gvt is either incompetant, or completely corrupted, there is no middle ground, just consequences to pay.
Mr. Master of the Universe,
Your last sentence made me chuckle, nothing personal, but can you share the details of you filling the cup to overflowing from your laptop? Just curious.
signed,
Pissed as you, but not master of the universe
Yes, I can share the details of filling their cup to overflowing from my desktop, but the cost is extremely high for anyone that wants that information as I am offering the 'details' at the hefty price of $30 trillion in physical gold bullion to the first buyer. I don't suppose that you have a deposit let alone the full contractual price, unfortunately.
Frankly, I would love to tell everyone on Z/H what I know, but if I did, I would have to kill you all, and I kind of like conversing with you bastards to tell you the truth. [George Castanza used the term 'bastards' affectionately and so do I]
That a criminal government is spying on the people is expected.
The thing to remember is:
1) The technology they utilize and depend on is relatively fragile. At a minimum, the databases and communication links they utilize are vulnerable. (The Information Age is really the age of interconnected databases. Remove the databases and/or links to same, and, well, no information.)
2) Their so-called systems and databases can be overloaded with GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out). I call it packing. As in hacking with GIGO. As an example, how resilient does one ponder the IRS' systems are with dealing with thousands of bogus filings into their system?! Not claims for returns, money, but just generic bogus info about payouts, pay-ins etc.?
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
The simple answer is that America is
"I'm ready for my close-up Mr. Netanyahu."
You can't unplug "analog", motherfuckers!.. Pull the plug on those fucks and cut the ocean lines. Fuck them up the ass.. let them eat each other.
HOTUS = Hypocrite ...
Tit-4-Tat is what it looks like.
When Snowden's papers revealed that nsa was spying on student's phone converstaions at Tsinghua University, you can bet they were royally pissed as any self-righteous idealistic students would be and their attention suddenly became focused on getting back at Uncle Sham instead of the opposite sex which is what most college students thnk about 24/7.
It's no surprise to me. The only surprise may be their choice of college.
"It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood... would you be mine?"
The story of how Mr. Rogers rose from a kiddy program to head of the NSA is second only to, and in many ways parallels, the rise of a lowly communitity organizer from Hawaii's climb to the Oval Office and arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
God what a great time it is to be alive! Now where did I put my meds...?
Can't he just send in the navy short sellers?
Oh shit - did Obama draw a line in the sand?!?! He's not sure what he's going to do to retaliate but "it's going to be big...really really big...and bigger that that even!"
load of garbage. complete fantasy. no one no where knows identity of perps. infact, in some instances, the entire event may be fabricated. who really thinks an outside force shut down the nyse days after the greek vote? load of garbage.
Agreed. Did they ever succeed in extraditing that British UFO nut who penetrated a variety of US military networks, looking for UFO evidence? Just goes to show what the federales' network security is like.
Wait a cotton pik'n minute! The govt can't design a working website and NOW it's going to lock digital horns?...Bwa haha.
When they contract out their software development they contract it out to Chinese companies. lol
Blue screen
This should be good.
Stop fucking with them and maybe they'll stop fucking with us.
That's treason, sir.
"Truth is treason in an empire of lies." Or something like that.
And in that realm perjury is patriotic.
That makes no sense.
If you are puzzled by my use of the word 'perjury', I believe that the American Media is under oath 4/7 to tell everyone the truth.
When I read that the NYT, WaPo, WSJ, etc etc repeat the hearsay that the Russians or the separatists are responsible for downing MH17 or that the Kremlin is responsible for the murder of Boris Nemtsov, I consider them lying under oath (although no oath has been formally administered) and that their lies done for convoluted but ill-judged patriotic reasons.
NSA scams have opened this new Pandora's box; the new age of Cyborg; successor to Dr Strangelove and how I came to love the bomb!
Now its USA vs China on this AI front; Usa vs Saud and Russia for Oil, USa vs China/Russia & maybe GErmany on USD fiat hegemony; Usa vs Russia on Nukes; USa vs home 99% on democracy.
You name it they can do it; the WS/DC combine takes on all challengers.
Thats called paranoia and hubris.
wow, Im sure they are shaking in their boots...they own our debt and half of our country and obama is going to threaten a full nelson on them...I see how the threats worked with, putin, assad...
As every country's recession intensifies, so will cries for War.
Classic.
I am expecting NZ and Australia to be "outraged" given their economies are in a tailspin.
Obama's just mad that his micropenis can't pleasure even the tighest Chinese snatch.
Huh - when I clicked on that NORSE link it showed (pretty much) most of the attacks coming from within the US (ok followed closely by China). BUT - it didn't show the outgoing attacks in the animation.
I think you have to look at the bottom of the screen, where it shows origins and numbers of attacks... people suceptible to epilepsy and attacks of "head up ass" are encouraged NOT to look at the animations, but at the numbers and written data.
Dig yourself dude.
I understood the info presented - it was simply misleading.
Obama is all talk.
He can't even do something about "Rachel, from Cardmember Services".
Just let all of the Chinese "upgrade" to Windoze 10. That'll grind everything to a halt over there.
Did Obama double bogie 17th and throw a temper tantrum? Guess he's not bowing next state vist to China
the 17'th was always hell.
there's a water trap there, and the Prez can't swim.
Michael and Caitlin will be going on the next state visit.
What's Papa Doc Barack gonna do, curtail bathhouse 'reach a rounds?'
He's worried the Chinese will find the photos of Barry and Rahm from their days at the Manhole on Halsted Street.
Didn't they just say they wouldn't officially blame China? Just a few days ago.
Retaliate on China??? I agree. It's time to
SEND IN DONALD TRUMP.
There is only one American who is uniquely qualified to insult a billion Chinese citizens ... and do it on a face-to-face basis!!!
I truly hope people pin Trump down for specifics on some of these solutions he is 'proposing' this week at their debate.
"I'm not a debater, I'm a doer, a job creator." ~ teh Donald
Sometimes - when I want to get a sense of how things are going at someplace I have worked, or where I have contemplated working, I check glassdoor.com.
If you have the time - search glassdoor for trump's enterprises...
Don't do anything crazy Obama, like fire federal bureaucrats who can't secure a network.
Use passwords minimum 21 characters including special characters and you should be alright.
Ok for run of the mill hackers, the NSA can cut thru that like butter
Ok for run of the mill hackers, the NSA can cut thru that like butter
A byte for a byte makes the whole world bite.
-Gandhi.....Or someone
You have to laugh.The backdoors the NSA built into everyones privacy
are being used against the creators, and there is absolutely nothing the NSA can
do about it.Total Information Awareness is a self inficted double tap to the head,
Short of junking everything and starting over, the US has given the farm away.
The exquisite irony is almost painful.
Parallel "internets" are coming to solve many of these problems. Projects that don't rely on ICANN domains or centralized servers. All free market solutions.
As basic technical knowledge becomes more common place, original designs and back doors will be left behind. See Maidsafe.net and namecoin (dotbit.me) (both open source). These are ingenious projects written from the ground up. Both replacing the current Internet's rails.
More, independent browsers with built-in domain registry to circumvent ICANN. And quality private replacements for search like duckduckgo.com. TPTB aren't even aware of the larger fight yet. They think China is a problem. This is pure positioning to justify fortification of the perceived technology high ground for the coming wars.
Too late for Uncle Scam.I'd wager every govt. server and database has already been copied,and worms planted..
The hardware backdoors you didn't address, we already know about the disk drives, but
I'm sure the proceesor machine code,firmware and bios has also been backdoored.
The Law of Unintended Consequences seems to be on full display here, TPTB are not all
mighty at all.The Emperor is naked.
Where's a Captain Kirk when you need one?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6o881n35GU
1. Walk away from TPP
2. Tariffs across the board
3. Cut legal immigration to zero
4. Throw the Gores, Clintons and Bushs in prison for their treasons
Anything else is at best haka, most likely additional treason.
USA determines what is fair in cross government eaves dropping
The world bolshevik cunts and their dumbass, compromised minions do that.
Hey, retarded author of this piece
And what? You don't think they will escalate with a response?
Of course, they will escalate if the birdbrained Clapper and Rodgers respond.
BUT HOW?
The Chinese have their own Space Station. The US has a time share space station. Right now there are 3 Russians, 2 Americans and one Japanese on it.
The NSA probably have no agents on Tiangong, the Chinese station. So the NSA has no idea what's on board.
Do the Chinese have a space scooter that can fly around the low earth satellite orbit with a can of spray paint or something even more damaging?
Maybe our genius article writer will share with us his valuable opinion whether the US's response to a crime WHICH HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN TO HAVE HAPPENED AND HAS NOT DEMONSTRATED ANY UNIMPEACHABLE EVIDENCE OF WHO THE CULPRIT IS, might escalate this unwitnessed crime and the questionable guilt of the Chinese far beyond what the retardniks like Clapper and Rogers even dream of.
As I reminded you earlier the Chinese have their own Space Station and we haven't the faintest idea what they have onboard,
but if the MORONS CLAPPER AND ROGERS think that the Chinese are going to stand by and watch the NSA tear down the Chinese Firewall and not knock down the satellites that carried those instructions to carry out that illegal hack.
AND IF SOME CELL PHONE AND INTERNET CARRIERS GET KNOCKED DOWN IN THE CHINESE RETALIATION, TAKE IT UP WITH CLAPPER AND ROGERS.
BtS,
You sound a liberal professor who is affraid of his own shadow. What would it take to convince you that the Chinese are responsible for the hack?
Next time someone is picking your pocket, do nothing, and see if they keep it up or decide to quit. Playing dead won't make it stop. Calling people names won't make it stop.
The NSA isn't credible xav do you have some other sources that support these allegations because WWIII is going to be kind of a big deal. We already started a war over cartoon pictures, yellow cake and aluminum tubes so hopefully you understand.
friend
I suppose I'd like to see evidence that a hack had actually taken place. Not just from the eunuchs who run the spy agencies.
But the alleged gas attack outside of Damascus opened a new drawer of fraud and deceit. When Putin asked Obama for proof that Assad had ordered the attack, the Negro constitutional scholar had the fucking nerve to tell the that the evidence was
I don't know what your background in the History of Law is, but I earnestly hope you don't believe in secret and classified evidence.
Or examining prisoners in a Star Chamber.
I do worry about denialists like you who, while the rat cage is being strapped to their face, imagine that John Wayne and the cavalry are about to whisk them back to the 80's.
If you're not tired of this conversation tell me why you believe the hack took place. Without quoting you-know-who.
The traitorous swine of the NSA and their subcontractors are working overtime to manufacture outrage. If you want to preserve our freedoms, stop spying on us for your masters, NSA.
Punish China by requiring Apple and about 100 other companies to bring jobs back to the US. Sure iShit will cost more, but that's the price of not buying slave made products.
That's naive. The US market is shrinking, the Eastern markets are growing. The Chinese market alone is 4 times the size of the US in number and they make everything from trinkets, to electronics, to steel. Apple and those 100 other companies have almost all of their money hidden off-shore, they'd sure as shit boycott the US market and headquarter somewhere else.
What about thinking of people as people instead of which State they are subject to? People need to think of themselves without a State tag. Wars happen between States not individuals. Separate Money and State!
We need to decrease regulatory burden and increase free markets, those are our comparative advantage.
Naive? No, it's called realistic!
One thing you forget when you go on about 'free trade and markets' is that labor, probably THE most important factor in trade, is NOT mobile! Labor cannot move to greener pastures the way everything else can. So it doesn't matter how "free" you make trade, labor will NOT be able to compete with itself by running all over the globe to try and stay a step ahead of production.
People are not widgets. They have roots, ties, families, investments in their homes, communities...When production can move at will, but labor is tied to a place, there IS no free trade happening.
And the notion of the State is irrelevant to this issue. People are not tied to their geographical location because of the State. States come and go, people stay. A Somalian family stays in Somalia because that is their HOME, even though there is no effective 'State'. They've seen plenty would-be rulers come and go, and still they stay. And few Americans would be willing or able to uproot their entire families and go pursue a job in some other country.
How about we retaliate by rebuilding our manufacturing base and actually start producing something other than bogus financial instruments and hot air.
Not for 8 dollars an hour we're not. And since that is what corporate America (and by extension, small-business America) seems to think we are worth, I guess some other country is going to have to 'retaliate' for us...
It's actually pretty funny to hear people say stuff like this, because it's like they are asking the 'average Joe' to pull together and save the country by the sweat of his brow...
A nation of workers who are considered to be worth no more than 8 dollars an hour will turn out to be worth every penny you spent...you will get exactly what you paid for.
Wages are a symptom, not the disease. The real disease is financial central planning through monetary policy. Gains are financial, not material. US companies increase revenue per share by buying back their stock, not making and selling. Employees are burdens to the bottom line in this scenario, because of all the regulation, pensions, healthcare, and liability they involve when the company can simply invest in a startup, and buy back stock. Monetary policy and democracy have spawned this virus on our world. Wages are only a symptom.
Absolutely. Which is why the 'miracle-cure' of raising the minimum wage will NOT work. Even though wages DO need to go up if prices won't come down, the typical political strategy of legislating the results you want into existence is a joke and a scam on all those underpaid laborers...
It's not the wage, it's the whole fucking SYSTEM.
How about retaliating by getting rid of all the joos on Wall Street - by secretly smuggling them into China? Better to be subjected to a massive nuclear attack. That would send a message that we are really serious. The alternative is simply to nuke China. Americans actually support this. See link below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqkk19lIXmI
China knows the whereabouts of every US government employees and the addresses of the colleges where their children go.
One can only hope that they'll put that info to good use. :)
Yes like kill them all.
If you cannot tolerate some of your data being accessed, you must make it inaccessible. How simple is that? Maybe not convenient, but obvious.
Very high tech. Unplug it.
Very simple. Block the IP blocks assigned to China on all your firewalls and routers. Like Duh!!! OMG! And like dust the hostile foriegn powers that have a history of like spying, stealing your inventions and business processes and selling them, man, and like, where all those eastern European and arab child raping pimps come from, man, like into the stone age, man.
Fish rot from the head. Fishes.
When will be NSA prosecuted for their spy activities against 7bln people on this planet?
The Proctologist in Chief should go to China waving the Rainbow LGBT flag and demand their surrender.
Well, when you put everything on the computer, expect it to get hacked...Too bad if there was some valuable stuff in there. If you are so stupid as to believe you can create a huge complex global intelligence-gathering network and NOT get hacked by someone else you are an ass. Whatever you can do, they can do.
Maybe if you didn't practically go around boasting of your ability to monitor everyone you wouldn't have made yourself such a juicy target.
But by all means, DO go ahead and 'get' those Chinese...I'll go make popcorn and get comfy while I watch you miss-swing and punch yourself in the face.
The NSA pic with the red dots is reminiscent of Colon Powell holding his silly cartoons while adressing the UN prior to the Iraq invasion, this can't be good. Aluminum tubes....... ALUMINUM TUBES!
First, the liars in Washington claim the data base was hacked by China. This is coming from the same Corporate Fascist Government Entity that has lied about everything else... so now they are telling the truth?
“There will always be Americans who will believe whatever the government tells them no matter how many times they know the government has lied to them.” - Paul Craig Roberts
That is because most people live a lie; if all the thoughts could be recorded on a DVD and played to their family and friends...they would run and never come back. It is inherited in our nature and we give approval inwardly while saying we do not outwardly as shown by our actions. As it is written, man is BORN to trouble as sparks fly upward.
What a fuking joke in the
ununited states
allways playing from behind
if you assholes would spend
less time spying on mericans
and more time on our
real problems
this is not your fathers socialism
Before you do Faggot; ask the Chinese Hackers for Lerner's & Clintons Emails. Thank You in advance.
Hardline Red Chinese Communists vs. Coffee Colored Girly Man
This won't end well.
I've said this before but this situation is similar to how I think gold confiscation orders are going to come down (by all means buy it anyway, they have to find it). When the oligarchs have completely bankrupted the system they will claim that China and Russia have been hoarding gold in an attempt to destroy America's currency and markets and that gold and it's hoarders are the reason for the woes of the west.
Of course it will be your patriotic duty to turn in all of your gold or you will be a Commie traitor organ harvester.
The first gold to be confiscated will be from allocated accounts held at a major bank or vault. None will be safe, States' accounts, Universities' accounts (Texas sees this), investment funds, major banks even, and very high net worth individuals. The big ones will be soveigns' accounts, like Italy, Germany, etc held in NY. They might as well say goodbye to that. Typical investors with physical, will have some warning I think.
They already stole the Ukrainian gold, the Iraqi gold, Libya gold and hope to get the Syria gold...oh and I forgot that Clinton and Rubin got the Ft Knox gold...so confiscations have been going on already for years and years. The new and easier way is the Bush family way; heroine from Afghanistan.
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Did you know Charles Darwin spent summers, as a boy, catching birds and killing them by beating their heads with hammers and took pleasure in beating puppies and when he sailed on the SS Beagle; he hoped to find cannibals so he could kill them...all true. Imagine an "academic" with that background came up with a theory of macro-evolution; who would pay attention to such a fool? 95% of them today do; that to is true...I digress. Today, we just crush the skulls of babies and harvest their organs; we are progressing.
Spot on, Crocodile.
There's a story here that you like to put your Johnson on a table and beat it with a hammer.
Seriously, is it more moar enjoyable than the kind of self-touching we learned in high school?
They will have as much luck with that as they did with their recent gun grabs. This isn't the 1930's.
I hope so but I'm not so sure. Guns are protected in part because of the percentage of the population holding. Such a small fraction of people hold gold that it's hard to imagine the general population defending gold holders in a situation where suffering reaches a critical mass. They do have to collect though, which means they would inevitably run into the percentage of American's holding which could get messy.
I don't think getting the consent for the grab will be as much of a problem as the logistics of it.
Proof, lets see the Proof.
If the proof is correct, the USA could always just stop buying goods from China. And I've always wanted a Solid Gold Toilet, but that's just not on the cards is it.
I wonder what he’ll do when he discovers the Department of Defense has been captured by Chinese.”
Or, at least the Veterans Admin has been captured.
I recently went to the VA hospital in Long Beach; they told me I’m on the verge of going completely blind.
In the meantime, they provided me with two sets of eye glasses.
They arrived in the mail; I opened the box and there, in big gold lettering, on the glasses cases were the words, “Made in China”.
The woman that examined my eyes and insisted on providing me with glasses was of Oriental extraction.
http://www.amazon.com/Bausch-Lomb-PreserVision-Supplement-120-Count/dp/B...
The research on these has been very impressive. In general, most supplements are very questionable but you can check this one out and see if it might help. COSTCO sells it a bit cheaper but the Amazon price is not bad imo.
Typewriters, sealing wax, couriers - the wave of DA future.....
What a nice distraction.
If China turns off the internet connection to the world nobody in China would notice.
Napolean warned of feeding the dragon. Something too about communists selling capitalists the rope to hang themselves....
So, now it is clear why someone released the "map" to the MSM. Obomber, on behalf of his handlers, wants an excuse to escalate. Nothing could be clearer.
Based on history, we should automatically believe that the map is a fabrication created for the sole purpose of manipulating public opinion.
There goes Obomber again, create B/S fantasy reasons to attack another country. They guy belongs in a straight jacket. He is a danger to humanity.
16.7 trillion thumbs up.
Quote: "this aggression will not stand, man." - What happened to "Presidential"?
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As a former Gov't employee; everyone knows it was the NSA. The same people who protest the hacking-proof chip made by a company that John. D. Rockefeller recently paid $11 billion for and the same NSA who tried to extinguish any and all cryptology technology. War of any kind makes for lots of money. In other news; "Super PACS" where a few with lots of $$$, including foreigners, can now further buy off the politicians including judges!