Are We Being Forced Into A "Second American Civil War"… If So, Who Will Win?

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Are We Being Forced Into a “Second American Civil War”… If So, Who Will Win?

A culture war has been stirred up.

Divisions are along predictable lines: racism, police abuse, controversial social issues, and plenty of left vs. right, demographics and regional baggage to clash over as well.

And by all accounts, differences and distinctions between people have been intensifying, not blurring and fading away.According to the Washington Post, many Americans have been relocating themselves in one of the 11 distinct areas of the country to live with like minded people.

The best way to keep us from fighting the real enemy is to keep us fighting amongst ourselves.

But could the culture war ever turn into a real war?

Some people actually think so, and it seems the military has been planning for the scenario, too. The potential for economic and societal breakdown is real.

As Infowars previously reported:

The U.S. military agrees that the chance of a break down in the system is real:


A new report from the U.S. Army War College [here is the report] discusses the use of American troops to quell civil unrest brought about by a worsening economic crisis.


The report from the War College’s Strategic Studies Institute warns that the U.S. military must prepare for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States” that could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse” or “loss of functioning political and legal order.” [The report also warns of a possible “rapid dissolution of public order in all or significant parts of the US.”]

Former Governor Rick Perry made a lot of noise about succession in Texas. A Russian scholar even predicted the break up of the United States into six parts (with the bankers secretly in control of the pieces, and the grander North American Union:

He also cited the “vulnerable political setup”, “lack of unified national laws”, and “divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions.”


He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts – the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

Here’s part of the long answer that one former Marine, Jon Davis, gave to the question, “If every state of the USA declared war against each other, which would win?.”

These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period.


After the breakup many wondered which states would come out in control of the power void created by the dissolution of the United States. There were many with little chance against several of the larger more powerful states. The states in possession of a large population, predisposition for military bases and a population open to the idea of warfare fared the best. In the long term we would look to states with self-sufficiency and long term military capabilities.


Here are the states that held the greatest strategic value from day one. They have the ability to be self-sufficient, economic strength, military strength, the will to fight and the population to support a powerful war machine.


New York


Others that have many of the qualities that gave them an advantage are also listed.



His full answer includes sample journals from the nearly 3,000 day war he envisions (which is now being optioned by Hollywood). To make a long story short, California, Texas and New York become the power bases for the 2nd American Civil War, and each carves out an empire from the mainland of allied or subjugated states, which add to the balance of resources.

Here is Davis’ final map and full account:

The attempts to reunify the former nation are shaky at best.

Things may not be as simply as carefully divided states, but there are already many layers of conflict throughout society, and some of it has already turned to violence, riots and bloodshed.

Unfortunately, it can happen here. But will it?

How much farther will things go? And will any notice the hidden hand behind those events?

Who are the real controllers, and who stands to gain from a new civil war?

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cossack55's picture

California and NY. LMFAO

Colorado? Ever see a stoner load a 30 round magazine?

InjectTheVenom's picture

you had me at violent strategic dislocation ...

Motasaurus's picture

That map looks suspiciously like it's taken directly from Ghost in the Shell.

Stuck on Zero's picture

We're in a civil war now.  It's a war between the producers and the takers.  The takers are winning.

Publicus's picture

The robots will achieve completely victory.

NoDebt's picture

There will be no uprisings in the US until the day after the EBT cards stop working.  Whether that be something crazy like an EMP blast taking down large parts of our electronic infrastructure or something much more nundane, the "social safety net" has caught so many people it's sagging under their weight.  But nobody will care or raise a finger to change anything until the day after it finally breaks.  Certainly those who are using the safety net as a hammock aren't going to make waves.  And I'm not just talking about welfare queens.  Corporate welfare queens are on this list, too.

That'd be a lot of people hitting the ground hard and the only way I can see a "rapid" change of status quo in the US.

Normalcy Bias's picture

The reaction of ahem... "urban" types will be extremely violent and widespread, but likely short-lived.

Harlequin001's picture

unforeseen economic collapse

Yep, no one saw that one coming...

SWRichmond's picture

“unforeseen economic collapse”

agree, it's here, now.  And was predicted by many.

“loss of functioning political and legal order.”

Rutherford institute has already pointed out that the courts are "courts of order" and not "courts of justice."  This itself fortells their ending, in a probably violent manner.  And everyone knows the political system stopped functioning as a representative system for "the people" a long long time ago.

“rapid dissolution of public order in all or significant parts of the US.”

If we're going to break up our home, can I start with the windows?

TahoeBilly2012's picture

Idaho, Montana and Alaska only hopes.

CuttingEdge's picture

Hawaii as long as O'Bummer is forcibly removed from Mr Masters mansion.

Stackers's picture

There never was a first American Civil War.

but I could definitely see the Federal Government perpetrating a Second Federal War of Aggression against half the states again in the not too distant future.

Pure Evil's picture

The Federal government is already waging a war of aggression against the states in contravention of the Bill of Rights 10th admendment.

Obamacare and queer marriage are just two of the most recent micro-aggessions.

The9thDoctor's picture

This is the dumbest thing I ever read. California wouldn't last two days in a civil war, let alone be a sphere of influence. California is filled with warring street gangs, their state is almost bankrupt, and with their severe drought all rebels would have to do is sabotage one of the pumping stations along the Colorado River Aqueduct and the Los Angeles and San Diego areas are toast.

Arizona would never join California, it would most likely join Texas, along with Nevada, Utah, and the rest of the Mountain West.

If the Civil War of the 1860s flared up again, the South would win in a heartbeat. This is why the media bashes the Rebel flag over and over again, because they fear what it represents.

The dynamics of North Vs. South are 180 degrees opposite today as they were in the 1860s. The south has all of the industry and work ethic, and the north is the RUST BELT.

Obama and his fellow travelers who worship Lincoln, always are quick to point out the injustices of the 19th Century South because a mere tiny fraction of the wealthiest of wealthiest land owners used blacks as slaves to till the fields. They completely hide the fact that the North utilized women and child labor to work long hours in the factories. (hence why classical progressives have a ban on child labor passed). Today's left worship immigrants, yet the North would conscript new coming immigrants right off the boats at Ellis Island to fight in this dumb war.

By demonizing the rebel flag, and wanting to destroy Confederate symbols, the ninnies want to destroy history and heritage, and dismiss it all as rayciss. This completely ignores the fact despite the North's victory, more blacks are aborted than born, and blacks fill up the prisons and ghettos. So much for progress.

snodgrass's picture

Agreed. Northern California counties are already talking about splitting off and forming a new state. They are the source of most of California's water, minterals and timber. Those on the coast and in the inland valley will be left high and dry. There will be lots of splintering. Those with the most resources - mostly human - will probably survive. That leaves out most cities.

The9thDoctor's picture

If anything should break up, it should be California. I don't even know why that political subdivision even exists in its current form.

The desert east should be its own state, San Diego area state, Los Angeles area state, the Bay Area as a state, the far north should join southern Oregon as its own state, this would be more appropriate.

A Silicon Valley entrepreneur tried this for real on a ballot, and the media labeled him "an extremist". As usual, they are idiots as it's "extreme" to cling on to obsolete 19th Century boundaries with no significance to the current landscape.

SWRichmond's picture

all rebels would have to do is sabotage one of the pumping stations along the Colorado River Aqueduct and the Los Angeles and San Diego areas are toast.

The entire country is replete with soft targets which cannot be fully protected.  The entire system relies on voluntary compliance and accession.  There is absolutely no resiliency remaining in the system.  And the current basis for it, the financial system, is entirely phony anyway.

Too easy.

tmosley's picture

Correct on all counts. But it goes further than that. Texas has something like 90% of the US's land based nuclear deterrent. In a civil war, those facilities would be seized quickly, at which point the war would end. No-one would risk a nuclear Civil War.  Better to just let those states that want to go their own way.

fr0thing's picture

I agree. In 2013 a map was published of the ideological makeup of the US and it is similar to what you described. The coastal cities along California Oregon and Washington are of course leftist strongholds, but it is a different story as you go inland. The desert-east part of California is more aligned with Arizona/Texas.The inland portion of Washington state is more aligned with Idaho.


SWRichmond's picture

The only reason Virginia is included in Yankeeland above is that it has been the object of aggressive federal takeover for more than a hundred years.  This could easily be solved by giving NOVA to Yankeeland.  This is the heart of federal influence in Virginia, and is not wanted or needed.

Semi-employed White Guy's picture

NOVA is producer of nothing except gubmint jobs. One of the wealthiest and parasitic areas of the nation

Oh regional Indian's picture

Fascinating premise and discourse all the way down the thread.

He who controls the borders + He who has the bigger guns usually wins GUNny wars.

For all of the gun as my keepee of sweet liberty persuation, I sure hope you have 1 genius HACKER for every 10,000 of you gun-men working closely with you, on yor side...

Then AND ONLY then do you even have a fighting chance.


People who can hack drones and remote trigger vehicles and th elike.

Or those who can mess up a CCC network....

Or those who can play the power grid...


Conventionally, YOU ARE TOAST....the nerds and geeks are your BEST FRIENDS...

Here's to FREEDUMB, appropriately enough...

mkhs's picture


   Have you ever told me the Sanskrit name for douche?

Consuelo's picture


Hey wait a minute...


You forgot Wyoming...


JR's picture

Severe cultural differences already are dividing Americans and the fault line runs right through the U.S. Supreme Court. Decisions such as same-sex marriage and Obamacare were predetermined by the radical makeup of the Court. 

Example: Said Justice Sonia Sotomayor in her speech, “A Latina Judge’s Voice”: “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.” 

The speech by Sotomayor, who has been a La Raza official, was published, in the Spring 2002 issue of the La Raza Law Journal.

Is Sotomayor’s goal on the Court to pursue justice for all?  Not likely; for her stated purpose in her speech is to promote the Hispanic and “people of color” culture. In her own words: 

“We, I mean all of us in this room, must continue individually and in voices united in organizations that have supported this conference, to think about these questions and to figure out how we go about creating the opportunity for there to be more women and people of color on the bench so we can finally have statistically significant numbers to measure the differences we will and are making.”

Consuelo's picture


+1M JR.


The Supreme Court lost its credibility as an independent branch of impartial jurisprudence when Reagan was politically-corrected into appointing Sandra Day O'Connor to the bench.


Then again, is the current Supreme Court not an accurate reflection of the social attitudes and practices of the day...?

JR's picture

Thanks, Consuelo. I believe, however, that the Supreme Court is taking its actions against the will of the people. Only tricks and treachery put Obamacare through against the feelings of the people, and the same-sex ruling came after many states had recently passed referendums against it. Was Citizens United the will of the people; were sweeping actions such as Section 8 housing to be inserted into established residential areas upheld by the recent Supreme Court Fair Housing Act decision the result of Americans demanding the action?

I believe the US Supreme Court is owned by the banking cartel, the same as the other two branches, Executive and Legislative.

In summary, the cartel can make the laws (Congress), enforce the laws (the president), and confirm the laws (the Supreme Court).

Vendetta's picture

"Who could have imagined ...." -Former Secy of State Condi

Calmyourself's picture

"urban" types

Will be trapped in the cities, few will make it out past first ring suburbs.  Far too easy to make city roads and infrastructure impassable.  Folks, forget the bike paths from city to country, not gonna work...

Cynicles's picture

Unless one bugs out prior to the event unfolding, they are going nowhere fast.

mkkby's picture

Exactly.  It won't be a war between the states.  It will be the pavement apes vs everyone else.  The war will be short because the apes will burn their own neighborhood.

This would be a good use of the feds 3 billion 40 cal rounds.  When they finish those, I'll gladly pay for more.  Damn dirty apes.


Cynicles's picture

They can only loot their neighborhood for so long b4 the shelves are empty.

Then the dogs & cats are the main course. Then it's Soylent Green time.


Money Counterfeiter's picture
Money Counterfeiter (not verified) NoDebt Aug 2, 2015 9:27 AM

Panama Red sas always good for trigger time.

drendebe10's picture

Bring it the fuk on ... Fuk The FSA miedras

philipat's picture

So, who has sworn allegiance to whom and do they understand or care about that? And what are the REAL causes of the economic and social problems in The US? Questions which, of course, the MSM will never address because it would involve real journalism.

1033eruth's picture

Don't you mean "zombies"?

headhunt's picture

The biggest 'taker' is government and it's army of sociopath union employees

Lord Koos's picture

Billionaires and multi-national corporations are the real "takers".  The government just works for them.

Almost Solvent's picture

Don't forget the union soldiers headhunt. They don't take as much as the unions, but they still take for a lifetime.

SilverCoinLover's picture

Exactly. I would split it three ways, a productive class, a dependent class, and a bureaucratic class.

The bureaucratic class is government, all levels from federal to local.

The dependent class is anyone who relies on handouts from the bureaucratic class to survive. This includes not only the welfare queens, but senior citizens, and corporate welfare. (The banksters, fannie mae, etc.)

The productive class are the rest, the working stiffs & profitable companies who generate an income in the private sector that the bureaucratic class can tax and transfer to the dependent class.

When the demands of the bureaucratic and dependent classes exceed the wealth that the productive class can provide, the system will fail. I fear we are very close to that point. It's being delayed by deficit spending (a tax on the future productive class) but for how long can that continue?

El Vaquero's picture

In a civil war scenario, I wouldn't think of a lot of the working stiffs as the productive class.  Our ideas of production would change, and most people flat out don't have the knowledge to be productive in such a situation.  Think more basic needs without long distance transport for stuff like food and clothing.  You'll find that some of those retirees still remember pre-green revolution gardening as was taught to them by their depression/WWII era parents.  That is useful knowledge.  Also, something to keep in mind is that the UK still has a textile factory that is powered by a water wheel.  In a civil war, our existing supply chains would break, and we'd have to forge new ones, without all of the benefits of the industrial civilization that we grew up in.


This is not something that we want to happen, though it very well may, and it is preferable to WWIII, given the likely end of that.

agent default's picture

The working stiffs you have in mind will die of starvation at the very beginning of a civil war.  At the initial stages as supply lines and production collapse there will be a famine, especially in the urban areas that will kill millions within months.  There will be a clearly visible impact on the demographics of the what used to be the US comparable to the plague epidemic of Europe. 

But I have another thing in mind.  You know those nukes that are stockpiled  here and there in the US, including highly radioactive materials and waste.  I am not saying that someone is going to launch a nuclear missile, but they certainly have a good chance of getting a bomb to detonate or get their hands on some highly radioactive material and dispersing it against a hostile state.  This civil war people talk about may very well reduce US territory into a wasteland.

El Vaquero's picture

A very large portion of the US's nuclear warheads are within 20 miles of me.  They worry me, quite a bit.  If society breaks down, which ones are operational?  Who takes control of them?  What I do know is that if I know they are there, our potential WWIII opponents know it is there too.  It's a target, along with Sandia National Labs and the Air Force Research Labs.

PrimalScream's picture

Uhhhh ... they forgot to tell you?

Actually it's YOU!!  You're in charge of the nukes during an emergency. WHY?  Well you just explained why.  You live within 20 miles of all of them.  :-)

Beltain's picture

It ain't just the nuke warheads on the bombs and missiles either. Once infrastructure begins to break down what will happen to all those nuke plants scattered around the country. The ones with containment pools built for 100 spent fuel rods that now hold 800+ with no where to put them? The one's situated along the rivers alone will destroy vast areas if they contaminate the water.


Evil Franklin's picture

Read "One Second After".  While an EMP is less likely, the results of a breakdown in the banking system will set the stage for a like result.

Consuelo's picture

Always wondered...


How would an EMP device affect a pre-electronic ignition automobile - you know, ones with points & condenser as opposed to solid state set ups...?

El Vaquero's picture

All of the tests that show a vehicle getting knocked out by an EMP used a pulse that was strong enough to suggest that if you were close enough to the detonation to get that strong of a pulse, you had other things to worry about.  Like heat, blast and the like. 

mkkby's picture

Any vehicle in a metal garage will do fine.  Likewise electronic gadgets in a steel filing cabinet.

Overfed's picture

The B-29s that dropped Fat Man and Little Boy didn't crash.