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Are We Being Forced Into A "Second American Civil War"… If So, Who Will Win?
Submitted by Mac Slavo of SHTFplan.com
Are We Being Forced Into a “Second American Civil War”… If So, Who Will Win?
A culture war has been stirred up.
Divisions are along predictable lines: racism, police abuse, controversial social issues, and plenty of left vs. right, demographics and regional baggage to clash over as well.
And by all accounts, differences and distinctions between people have been intensifying, not blurring and fading away.According to the Washington Post, many Americans have been relocating themselves in one of the 11 distinct areas of the country to live with like minded people.
The best way to keep us from fighting the real enemy is to keep us fighting amongst ourselves.
But could the culture war ever turn into a real war?
Some people actually think so, and it seems the military has been planning for the scenario, too. The potential for economic and societal breakdown is real.
As Infowars previously reported:
The U.S. military agrees that the chance of a break down in the system is real:
A new report from the U.S. Army War College [here is the report] discusses the use of American troops to quell civil unrest brought about by a worsening economic crisis.
The report from the War College’s Strategic Studies Institute warns that the U.S. military must prepare for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States” that could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse” or “loss of functioning political and legal order.” [The report also warns of a possible “rapid dissolution of public order in all or significant parts of the US.”]
Former Governor Rick Perry made a lot of noise about succession in Texas. A Russian scholar even predicted the break up of the United States into six parts (with the bankers secretly in control of the pieces, and the grander North American Union:
He also cited the “vulnerable political setup”, “lack of unified national laws”, and “divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions.”
He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts – the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.
Here’s part of the long answer that one former Marine, Jon Davis, gave to the question, “If every state of the USA declared war against each other, which would win?.”
These are the accounts of the Second American Civil War, also known as the Wars of Reunification and the American Warring States Period.
After the breakup many wondered which states would come out in control of the power void created by the dissolution of the United States. There were many with little chance against several of the larger more powerful states. The states in possession of a large population, predisposition for military bases and a population open to the idea of warfare fared the best. In the long term we would look to states with self-sufficiency and long term military capabilities.
Here are the states that held the greatest strategic value from day one. They have the ability to be self-sufficient, economic strength, military strength, the will to fight and the population to support a powerful war machine.
California
Texas
New York
Others that have many of the qualities that gave them an advantage are also listed.
Washington
Colorado
Illinois
Virginia
Florida
Georgia
His full answer includes sample journals from the nearly 3,000 day war he envisions (which is now being optioned by Hollywood). To make a long story short, California, Texas and New York become the power bases for the 2nd American Civil War, and each carves out an empire from the mainland of allied or subjugated states, which add to the balance of resources.
Here is Davis’ final map and full account:
The attempts to reunify the former nation are shaky at best.
Things may not be as simply as carefully divided states, but there are already many layers of conflict throughout society, and some of it has already turned to violence, riots and bloodshed.
Unfortunately, it can happen here. But will it?
How much farther will things go? And will any notice the hidden hand behind those events?
Who are the real controllers, and who stands to gain from a new civil war?
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Yawn, this has been out there since November 2008. Nothing new here. Slavo just needs some fearmongering to keep his site going.
This is right up there with the 2012 Small Wars Journal article, "Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A “Vision” of the Future"
http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/full-spectrum-operations-in-the-hom...
This shit has been going on since forever. The internet has just made it more available to the masses.
Wouldn't doubt he's a pimp for .gov pumping out the bilge for the sheeple to consume enmass.
I agree that this map is way too simplistic. Idealoligy does not start and stop at State borders. Example, Michigan is a different mindset from Grayling right on up through the U.P., people want to be left alone. The large cites from say Lansing on down to Detroit are liberal holes. In general the cities in much of America are liberal holes. Out in the country - not so much. Makes more sense to this old man to draw a map like that. And what's with grouping higher education with liberal mindset, not so. Hey mainstream media, conservatives value higher education too.
The MSM can't hear you. They have their head so far up Obowelmovements ass when you talk it has the same sound the adults made in all the old Charlie Brown TV cartoons.
Mwaa, mwaa, mwaa, mwaa.
this map is way too simplistic. Idealoligy does not start and stop at State borders...
I think the point of the article is not to say there are no political differences within the 3 zones , and in fact much of the fighting that could occur, would occur within the differing communities within these zones, (as you suggest), but that these areas represent self-sufficiency sites which could exist independently of each other regardless of their ultimate political composition.
If such a violent 300 day transition were to occur, I think the threat of a military use/control of WMDs would extend beyond the USA's borders and would elicit a potential "international"response that could be used to unify the disparate groups if tapped into successfully. Not sure if I would want to be located outside the borders of the USA, stationed on an ship or other military installation if such an event were to occur either.
Just a thought.
Circa 2013 - America had 14.63 million liecnsed hunters. This is people who paid a fee (tax) for a hunting license to kill. Many have .308 scoped rifles.
http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/HuntingLicCertHistory20...
Michigan? Over 761,000
NY? 581,401
PA? 968,735
TX 1.036 million.
Tenn is not a huge state but has 503,547 licensed hunters.
Florida, GA and AL has about 2.3 million CCW holders.
Tough to take out a missle with a .308.
well you try not to concentrate enough where they would fire a missle. if you were to ever take on a force superior in technology,support, and weaponry you need to study southern revolutionary war, north vietnamese and afghanastan tactics, primitive but undetectable ways to communicate, concentrate for an objective, then dispurse, melt into the background.
So tell me, how did all those guns do against the banksters?
That is the war that is here, not reliving some historical movie....
"Former Governor Rick Perry made a lot of noise about succession in Texas."
did you mean secession?
When he brings it up again, it will be in succession.
With careless understanding of what secession means, one can doubt a bunch in this story.
We had to subjugate the South .... to save our marriage .... hogwash .... a house divided will not stand .... duh .... what tripe .... maximizing human freedom should always be the rule !
I think someone pointed out the other day Lincoln didn't have a problem with secession when West Virginia seceded from Virginia to join the cause of Northern Aggression.
I call you .... Pure Good ! LOL
The incredibly stupid Confederate invasion of the United States kicked off your war of Northern Aggression.
The southern Confederacy may well have lived if it had not forcibly seized the real estate of a powerful neighboring country in the form of Fort Sumter-- which had never, ever been part of South Carolina. It was a shoal that Federal dollars turned into a US Fort-- and thus subject to the exclusive ownership and jurisdiction of the Federal government. Just as an experiment, try asserting state law on any Federal installation or enclave within the boundaries of your own state as a useful example of the limits of state sovereignity. The Confederacy could quite probably assert jurisidiction on any territories of the recently-seceded states but it had no authority over places such as Fort Sumter any more than South Carolina can legislate for Puerto Rico or Guam today.
The 48 Allegheny counties never seceded from the Union but instead refused to adhere to the lowland secession vote and continued to be Virginia under the US flag until 1863. Does a refusal to secede from the overall Union constitute secession from secessionist-minded lowland Virginia? An interesting legal question.
Since they were the legal government of (all of) Virginia under the US Constitution, they had every right under that Constitution to subdivide their state if they so wished. And they so wished after two years of war.
well it resides in south carolina and south carolina had seceeded from the union therefore the union had no right to keep the fort garrisoned and supplied. if the union had asked that they be allowed to abandon the fort and their soldiers be given safe passage i'm sure south carolina would have treated the soldiers cordially and sent them north with a handshake and a slap on the back. but the federal government refused and tried to resupply the fort, and were repositioning their cannons to point toward charleston, so the citadel class of 1861 and their underclassmen manned fort moultrie, castle pinkney and james island battery, and when the star of the west attempted to resupply the fort they drove the ship off. later in april after multiple attempts to allow the federal government to peacefully leave the state of south carolina they bombarded the fort from the battery in charleston and the fort was surrendered. even then the soldiers were treated with respect and were fed and allowed to clean themselves, their uniforms cleaned for them and were then sent north, they were not taken prisoners but were under flag of truce after their surrender.
Who gets the job of placing Yellen's head on a pole?
The Northeast will be the first to surrender. New Yorkers are lazy fucks and will never fight. The socialists in Vermont and NH will run and hide when there's no one's wealth left to share. New Englander's are mostly closet transgenders anyway. Massachusetts will have imploded into pro and con Tom Brady factions, with the pro-Brady forces winning. California will be a desert wasteland, with no economic base other than taco stands (burro meat toppings $1 extra), and will join the rest of the West Coast states poisoned by Fukashima radiation. The South will want the Rebel Flag back, and will be happy to adopt the US Constitution as its founding document, since the USA isn't using the Constitution right now.
Fuck the Constitution. The Constitution is what gives us the current corrupt government we have today.
If you understood who wrote the Constitution and the reasons they did it you'd be for burning the Consititution yourself.
Dump the Constitution, strip out the Bill of Rights and restart using the Bill of Rights as the founding document. Even if you have to go back to a Confederation of States.
+1 for the burro meat topping, though.
"The Constitution is what gives us the current corrupt government we have today."
Been saying that for years.... The Articles explicitly made the states supreme,,, the constitution made the national government supreme. The founders actually state that as their reason to do away with the Articles.
The bill of rights was ADDED to bribe some of the smarter states and I suspect the founders knew the national government would shitcan the whole constitution when it felt powerful enough.
You guys are really smart .... I'm just a blue collar phone installer .... freedom can only work when the common folk understand it's blessings .... where is Dutch Boy .... he needs to hear this !
Him and his newfound buddy/minion/second identity will be along shortly.
Socialists in NH? Never met them. Live Free or Die in NH. Bring a gun and keep it with you.
Who came up with that map? Way off! Anyway Texas has already surrendered to Mexico and South America.
There may be an event where local police forces follow federal orders to retreat and let cities burn. After this event, if it is big enough, you may see the growth of larger grass roots militias and private security forces. The feds will then have their lists. If your protection group is on the "wrong" list, you can expect to be targeted from the federal level on a very aggressove basis. There won't be a civil war. There is just going to more and more aggressive federal control of everything.
So who is "Federal?" I agree that DC will try to assert control, but facing upheaval in the East, what in God's name are they going to do to control Texas? United rural societies further west? Despite what you think you know about oaths, boys from Colorado are not going to kill boys from Utah in order to preserve power in DC....especially when checks from DC are not worth anything.
Can't see the US breaking up into unified areas as described, I can however see militias forming, perhaps even many working together fighting a guerrilla war.
These groups I believe would fight for the restoration of the constitution. The odd warlord may pop up but I think would be short lived.
Now for some rambling,
In the same way that national tragedies and false flags are used to unite the people the Federal government will become the common enemy of all the factions. Recent history has shown us, even in the Ukraine, that an army quickly runs out of soldiers who are willing to fire upon their neighbors, hence the push to more and more autonomous weapons.
I believe the elietes are pushing forward with their plan, and that plan creates a society very much like we see in the Hunger Games. Perhaps I'm paranoid or crazy but do we not see it in all the of predictive programing coming from the medias, is the film the Hunger Games not basically Agenda 21 brought to fruition?
So, is the author saying that Texas wants to succeed?
Canada Alaska
Except that everybody outside the Bay and LA in California is a "red state" person. Even so, the likelihood of a civil war in a place like California is nil... but the likelihood of a revolt by the slaves (see: Mexicans) is totally real.
One of the first casualties in the breakdown of the economic system will be a wipeout of welfare. And this puts a portion of the population, many in Los Angeles County (4.9 million Hispanics), in such dire straits that they will be moving – back to Mexico, IMO, especially if there is civil war. And, incidentally, people hardly come to a nation in droves, just to be "slaves."
There are two strong forces, the government and the middle class, and a lot of people are underestimating the latter.
According to a report by the Center for Immigration Studies (www.cis.org), 57 percent of Mexican immigrants are on welfare.
As a result of California's illegal alien population alone (estimated at 3 million residents), Californians bear an enormous fiscal burden. According to FAIR, “The annual expenditure of state and local tax dollars on services for that population is $25.3 billion. That total amounts to a yearly burden of about $2,370 for a california household headed by a U.S. citizen.”
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-california-taxpayers
“U.S. immigrants and their U.S.-born children now number approximately 80 million persons, or one-quarter of the overall U.S. population.” -- Migration Policy Institute, Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States (February 26, 2015)
Who will win ?
The Banks of course.
I think, after the coming crash...there will 3 main banks down from 5. The next crash after that, those 3 banks will go ro 1, JP Morgan. Eventually the Bank will end up owning every piece of real-estate in America.
It doesn't really matter if the North, South, East or West wins the Battle for Brocolli.
Only time will tell if I'm proven wrong.
So the populace will throw down thier big gulp and forego the morbid obesity disability pension to carry an AK. Har. The hope is beyond the lefty shitties, " I meant cities............
I loathe what this country has become physically, spiritually and politically. I will fight for my family and the former constituion that once was.
A couple a more lines on that map and it would look pretty much like the existing FEMA camp, er, zone map.
When the window closes on economic opportunity through private enterprise, the best and brightest join the government. You are not going to win a fight against that by picking up pitch forks and communicating through homing pigeons.
These warnings sound much like the neo-con PNAC's (Project for a New American Century) Sept. 2000 call for a "new Pearl Harbor" (i.e., the subsequent 911 attacks), to create a crisis that would motivate the U.S. to pick up the Zionist cause in the middle east. E.g., http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-pilger.html; Bollyn, "9-11: The 'New Pearl Harbor' of the Zionist War Plan," Solving 911, The Original Articles (2012); see also Weir, "Against our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. was Used to Create Israel" (2014). How would the Zionists benefit?
WWZD
Lord Acton’s prediction of the eventual world battle between the people and the banks applies to the war scenario in the United States outlined by the War College. For the obvious path to conflict is the economic domination coming from an international banking cartel and the rising anger and frustration of the American middle class.
The bankers believed they could use socialism, waves of Third World immigration and control of the currency to steal America’s riches and put her workers into slavery. Not so fast, millions of Americans are thinking; that isn’t a country of justice, of liberty, of Christian values.
If the bankers believe that millions of Americans who want the latter kind of country won’t fight, they are mistaken. In a sense, there is not likely to be regional divisions within America, because this middle class of millions is everywhere, from New England to California. And the conflict is both economic and cultural. It will be the producers and the patriots, the Americans who want an honest and stable country versus the bankers who see them as only resource and labor.
The warning knells to destroy the Founders’ America were sounded by the 1913 Federal Reserve Act and by the 1965 Immigration Act. The fight, albeit late, has now begun.
And we should not make the mistake of believing that the banking cartel will be able to use the military against citizens; Snowden proved that the citizens are suspicious and angered at their government’s treachery. And the military, composed of many people from the middle class, is not a guaranteed loyal government force to be used in every American city and every American village. Many army commanders will take the side of the people, not the bankers.
In short, a civil war over economics and culture would involve the entire population.
The yearning for liberty and freedom has been pretty much bred and educated out. After watching the (Ex) Southerners allow the symbol marking their heritage and the thousands of their relatives who died to be removed over nothing more than inaccurate historical bullshit indicates the backbone to fight has been thoroughly extracted. Even the stronghold rebeldom, Alabama recently changed their license plate from "Heart of Dixie" to "God Bless America" without complaint. None of this would have happened a few generations ago.
This was an important test coming from the District and we passed with flying colors. Many more immoral and unconstitutional laws will be passed.The now nationalized police will now intensify their war on private citizens. I passed a Florida police DARE Trailer which proudly had "Paid for by Drug Confiscation Money". Now we all know they consider Drug money as having more than $100 on your person. This means more and more of this outright theft will be coming from our friendly law enforcement folks. Has anyone noticed the new "Federal Law Enforcement" out on the roads?
No, so long as the checks keep coming the people will remain docile. Even if the checks stop and the rioting starts it won't be for liberty. No, your men now walk with a cell phone slapped to their head with one hand while the other holds their genitalia and keeps their pants from falling. I surely don't see any fight coming from this group!
Now, blowback from our governments unrelenting bombing and droning of other peoples or losing a war to another power it constantly provokes is another story...
The south now mostly consists of blacks, foreigners, hispanics, legal and illegal, and in Florida, God's Waiting Room, old people.
Since the advent of central A/C the south has also been inundated with white libtards from the Northeast moving down to get away from Northeast winters and they bring their politics with them.
Louisiana has a governor of Indian descent and South Carolina has a governor also of Indian descent, and no, not Native American, Hindi Indian.
Everywhere you go in the south major cities are being populated by non-whites that could give two fly shits about the Confederate cause or the Civil War or slavery.
Most people don't realize how many people are being allowed into the country per year legally and illegally. Literally it's between 5 and 10 million a year. All from 3rd world hell holes and the vast majority non-white.
That's why there was been nary a peep from southern whites, they're slowly being replaced by 3rd world assholes that care less about American history and much less southern culture.
Agreed....
Upvoted you for that "Gods Waiting Room". There are a lot of 'old' people here, including me!
You are correct, but when you take a closer look @ who runs Bartertown - South, it isn't the blacks, foreigners, or old people. Yes, the wetbacks are the guys laying bricks, mowing lawns, and feeding the livestock. But when it comes to the business owners, it's predominantly Christian white men. These are the 30% of the local population who have the skill and determination to successfully prosecute the type of long-term action speculated on in this blog. Remember, during the Revolution less than 10% of the populace were fully committed to the concept of American liberties. At various points for various periods of time, 30% of the populace was supportive. Dont kid yourself, the human species is always capable of brutal savagery. Nothing has changed there. And while there is a nice veneer of multiculturalism and diversity coated onto the US, and the South in particular, we're gonna see who runs Bartertown as the Federal ag subsdies roll off. Farmers are hurting down here. . .
I'd agree with the theme, BUT I've seen a lot more Conferedate flags since SC politicians took theirs down from the Capitol. It's not just SC, either. It's NC and GA. The South IS rising. Go white boy, go white boy, go!
So California, New York and Texas are the Bases of Power and chief combattants in the US Civil War 2.0?
I'll take Texas to win and lay any amount of points.
I'll take that bet,,, the only thing they have big in Texas today is their mouth.
Well, luckily you didn't say that while in Texas or you'd get your face kicked by cowboy boots with the cow shit still on em.
PE,,, I lived in Texas and have relatives in Texas. I have some experience on this subject.
Lemmie guess. Austin?
Texans talk a big game but what did they do during Waco 1 and Waco 2? Not a damn thing.
More dumb white males who cheer on Trayvon knock out thugs playing high school and college ball. Whites cheering on their own genocide.
Roughnecks like to fight, and they like to drink. When they cant work in the HOT oilfieids, that's a lot of restless energy. They like to work hard, and aren't accustomed to living the 'EBT' Fedcoat-sponsored lifestyle. So as times get tougher, you are going to see these folks gettin' upset. And Texas has shown the most recent ability to knock Hell out of a foreign power. You'd best remember that. Waco? At the time, most folks living in Waco, TX (let alone the rest of the state) KNEW the Branch Davidians were a very different breed. And they weren't as well-experienced in the practice of modern Fedcoat tyranny. I'd point to Bundy Ranch, and then multiply that by 50-500, if you asked me what would happen today if Texans decided they weren't going to take it anymore. Hell, you've got the TX governor calling out the State Guard to keep an eye on the Jade Helm fucktards. All hat and no cattle? Perhaps, but that's not the way I'd bet that hand. Don't mess with Texas.
Perhaps this is why "there was little to see in Balstrom and other sites" where the Jade Helm exercise is taking place - where the media was banned. In the final analysis, a major government push to practice war against the citizens would not want to begin in Texas. Because Texans lead the nation in online signatures for the state to secede. And, because of the history of Texas once being a nation unto itself (the Republic of Texas), this could be where the rebellion begins:
Texans organize 'Operation Counter Jade Helm' to keep an eye on the federal troops
Dylan Baddour, Houston Chronicle - July 13, 2015
"When the troops land in Texas for Operation Jade Helm next week, someone will be waiting for them.
"Hundreds of people have organized a 'Counter Jade Helm' surveillance operation across the Southwestern states and in an effort to keep an eye on the contentious military drill that's sparked many suspicious of Uncle Sam's intentions…"
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Texans-organize-Operation-Counter-Jade-Helm-to-637
Things have changed considerably since I grew up in Texas, but Texans were, circa 1985, a fierce, tough, independent bunch. In the 80s, Texans were Americans third, Southerners second, and Texians first and foremost. If I find myself 'knuckling up' somewhere, you best believe I'll be looking for a Texan to cover my 6.
Blue won't produce enough food.
Red won't have access to the Pacific.
blue and white will probably cooperate
I'm for real money and Nature. Though the above would make a cool strategy game.
Are you serious? People care more about the next iPhone release than they do about thier freedom.
Not going to happen, at least not any distance longer than a few miles from one's home on foot. But it would suit the bankers just fine as they fly off into the sunset in their gulfstreams and stashed wealth outside the US laughing all the way. I always find the timing of WWI in 1914 and the establishment of the federal reserve in 1913 very interesting.
If a full blown civil war did break out in the US, it would not be contained - canada and mexico would get sucked into it and the 'new' political borders of various 'states' would include territories in both countries.
They may be hosers and spics, but they ain't stupid.
Mexico and CA would become supply lines, just like Cambodia during Vietnam. There isnt much of a manfacturing base in Murrica these days, so you'd see a 'Ho Chi Minh' trail from the W Coast Canadian ports thru Canaada down in the the Dakotas. You'd also see the drug trains from Mexico used to resupply Texas. Finally, you would see the SE manufacturing supply the Gulf Coast. Charleston SC and Savannah GA would return to prominence as port cities.
You also need to stop it.
No American manufacturing? This is a war we're talking about. You actually believe that all those American guns were smuggled into the country by the Tooth Fairy.
If there is one thing that Americans manufacture in quantity, it's guns.
In war, manufacturing/industry is the first battle the winning side wins. It's not merely guns, but food/uniforms/communication gear/gasoline/diesel. If you read many books about the history of war, you would know this. The American Civil War was won in the factories of MA, PA, and ME. World War 1 was a stalemate until the US, with its fresh troops AND industry, entered the war. WW2 was more of the same, the US turning the tide with its factories in Philly, Detroit, and Pontiac. You still see these factories today, Tinkerbell? Even Barbarossa saw the Soviets turn the tide with factories moved to the Urals, where literally new T-34s were driven off the line and straight into combat.
Battlefield victories are secondary to (but also the inevitable outcome of) a meaningful competitive edge in manfacturing mobilization. In the US Civil war, the North LOST most the battles. Same thing in Vietnam (Tet offensive was a failure for the VC on the battlefield, but it psychologically won the warn) and Afganistan (Soviet period as well as more recent US period).
The US no longer has the manufacturing or industrial base it had in 1970. Also, to the extent it HAS manufacturing, it is all specialized and reliant on logistics for shipping sub-assemblies from place to place.
In the next great war, which MAY be fought between factions within the US, supply chains will be VERY important.
I'm sorry to provide some insight into your ignorance on this topic.
I'll bet you a dollar in American money that the United States manufactures more guns today than it did in 1970.
Jesus Christ, you are fucking dense. It's not about gun manufacturing. It's about manufacturing everything else a military needs to win a war.
Woodard's original article in Tufts Magazine which the author references is inane drivel. The piece is filled with historical inaccuracies and ridiculous, sweeping generalizations.
If you want any credibility, find sources better than that ignorant establishment crap.
I'm done with ZH (until the "markets" open later).
Bring in motor-mouth Varoufakis and Washington will soon be forced to overthrow itself.
The breakdown is much simpler than that. It happens after the USD loses reserve currency status and the gov can no longer actual procur all that is needed to maintain social programs. In that case, big cuts in entitlements. They will try but will have a hard time collecting taxes.
Then, as is happening elsewhere: auterity, bail-ins and privatization to the big banks. Just one big disseminated civil war at that point with the richest struggling to keep what they have and the lots of really poor people living poorly and a general decrease in all things "standard of living".
"who stands to gain from a new civil war?"
The bankers and the arms-merchants, of course. They are always the winners. :)
Correction: This would be America's THIRD civil war. The rebels won the first in 1783 and the loyalists won the second in 1865.
This time the rebel side has:
* Every non-criminal who owns a gun.
* The overtaxed citizens who produce real goods for a living.
* All conservative Christians.
while the loyalists have:
* The coastal liberals who won't let their children touch toy guns.
* The obese welfare mamas and their gangster baby daddies.
* The speculators who profit from reckless money-printing.
The military is a wildcard -- they can't be happy about Benghazi or all the diversity that's being crammed down their throats. Thanks to Obama's incurious, hands-off, lead-from-behind management style, it would be easy to feed him misinformation and pretend to obey his orders while secretly aiding the rebels.
If a civil war did start, Obunghole would be assassinated immediately and a visible military coup would take over as opposed to the hidden one that happened 63.
Any wonder why Obowelmovement is replacing all the top brass with homosexuals, closeted or otherwise?
.Govtards have DHS, plus every other armed and dangerous Federal employee. . . plus the Drone Army. It's gonna be a tough, long fight. The trick will be for the resistance to act similarly to cancer. Be impossible to neutralize without asymmetric collateral damage.
bullish
“rapid dissolution of public order in all or significant parts of the US.” It certainly depends where you look from. If you look at it from a park bench in a medium-sized mountain town in Japan or China or Switzerland or an island like Jersey or Guernsey where could leave your purse, go away, come back and pick it up again, the public order in the US is already long gone. Visiting the US you feel a bit like a visitor to jail - hands are strechted out from behind the bars and good luck if they can reach you. There is no way you could leave the door to your house open and the car doors unlocked. But that is the way it used to be and it is still the case in countries that were able to preserve public order and a healthy society. America is in urgent need of change and that needed change is precisely not the change Obama promised.
Oh, stop it. Look at your narrow specifications-- a medium-sized mountain town in Japan, et al.
Let's compare apples to apples. NYC to London or Paris. A Swiss goatherd to an American one.
You want to visit America, then visit America-- which is 97% not located in the collectivist euro-thinking metropolitan areas.
It is the infection of European socialist ideas that have polluted these areas. Out where the buffalo rather than the marxists roam, you would find vastly greater freedom than could possibly be attained in any of your carefully tailored tiny ideals. I know because I live there rather than just stare out the windows of a tour bus on my way to the homes of the Hollywood stars.
please, please, make it happen, fight amoungst yourselves; a 100 year war would be ideal
then the World will have peace
Only 85 years left to go!
The population is being culled already.
Stay healthy and chelate.
Get your blood tested for heavy metals.
It's not covered by insurance.
Cost about $200.
You cannot do shit if you're sick.
Jesusland is welcome to secede now.
And it can take its Evangelicals and "Christian" Ziociopaths with it.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/unt.htm
Viruses work on everyone, idiot.
Do *you* even know what that's supposed to mean, dummy?
It means you're a young fool.
good answer.
zzzzzzzz.
Your statement is false and betrays rule #1 of tyranny, namely oppress as many as possible for the benefit of the select few. Without those "Christians" paying their taxes and following the laws of the land, you'd be living in Liberia, 2.0. The Fedcoat fascist welfare state CANNOT survive without those taxpaying Chrisitians. Who would pay for all those Negro abortions and gender reassignment 'procedures'? No, there is no leaving the Fedcoat state without much blood being spilled.
Alaska blue - no
Hawaii blue - yes
Arizona blue - no
Montana blue - no
Wyoming blue - no
Idaho blue - ?
Idaho? No. It has the highest percentage of Mormons (very conservative) of any state in the US, incl. Utah.
Wasn't sure about Idaho - know a lot of liberal assholes from California who have moved to Idaho...
Don't eat or drink out of plastic and cans.
Especially pregnant wonmen.
Don't turn your sons into fags.
Looks good to me. I find that most Californians, somewhere deep down, have a sense that we probably shouldn't print money and hand it to banks or spend more than we can actually collect, regardless of the state government's promises. California could make a very successful empire of social progressivism (ie: liberty) just so long as we ditch the fiscal profligacy.
Map is a joke, first thing to go in war are arbitrary borders. For example CA better capture western CO and northwestern NM as well if they want to see any water flow through the radioactive remnants of Lake Powell and Lake Mead. #nothingcivilaboutwar
Chelate with EDTA.
The article left out a very important detail. 90% of the personnel Commissioned and Enlisted in the Military are from southern states. You also can't assume those people resided in the states from which they enlisted or were commissioned. People enlist in and claim residency in states without state income taxes so less of their pay is deducted for taxes. What this means is the U.S. Military is made up of people from the Confederate States. It's no real secret that members of the Military are ready, willing, and able to take control of the Military away from the federal government and establish it's own goals when the coming collapse happens. The Military already has plans for the politicians in Washington D.C. They have a plan to gather them all in one armoured bunker where they are locked up much like a prison and can be easily controlled. Currently they assume it's for their own protection. A Southern origination already has a Government in Waiting and Military leaders that will take control and place those people in charge of the new Government. That Government in waiting retains all the Gold and Silver that was held by the Confederacy at the end of the war that will back a new currency when the dollar collapses. That government has no plans to take control of the entire country, only the Confederate States. The other states will be left without a Military and it's equipment so those states can't start another war on the Confederate States. That lesson was learned very well and will not be repeated. Remember; The Confederacy never surrendered and the Confederate States and Texas never officially rejoined the Union. The only document signed was a cease fire agreement.
I'll smoke what you're smoking.
It's been 14 years since 9/11 - an obvious inside/Israeli job.
Not only did the military, cia, fbi, etc not do shit, many were in on it - certainly the joint chiefs.
Think of all the generals who failed just in terms of air defense that day.
promotions all around.
I dont know if those buildings were wired or not.
I know for sure our air defenses were deliberately compromised.
They also didn't do anything when a cabal of zio jews set up a disinfo unit that worked with mossad in the pentagon itself
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2004/01/lie-factory
http://www.libertarianismo.org/livros/StephanSniegoski_TheTransparentCab...
wake up.
No one is coming to save you.
http://how911wasdone.com/
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
https://archive.org/details/MastersOfDeception
http://www.bollyn.com/public/Review_of_Solving_911.pdf
hedge accordingly.
It was a plain old fashioned gold heist,,, the "Pearl Harbor Event" was a distraction to the heist and designed to create an enemy to replace the USSR.
The way those buildings come down required they be wired - WTC 7 definitely was - OR as some suggest a small nuke.
Matt Brackens 'Enemies Foreign and Domestic' book pretty accurately describes a scenario of a false flag event executed by the BATFE describes how a break up could occur.
Oh... they were wired. Most likely with thermite, it is what is used to "weld" railroad tracks. Heavy duty steel, concrete and rebar do not collapse upon themselves as a result of fire, especially a fire located in just one area. Even if the building would collapse a portion of it would keel over (which it wouldn't, you could burn it until it was just a skeleton and it would still stand) not implode into it's own foot print. My guess is they were wiring it first and then placed the thermite charges in beginning Sept 6.
"Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. "
"The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. "[NY Newsday]
This is why Dear Preezy is purging the military. He needs it mo'blacker'n'browner'n'trannyer!
The Ruski that predicts regional civil war in the US is clueless.
The only "war" I see brewing is based on inequality and economic deprivation as the push towards privatization (under the guise of removing "bureaucracy") makes things like water, education, communications, transportation, and health care more expensive for those whose earnings keep getting squeezed. If the political system is seen as disfunctional, where nobody but bought-and-paid-for, corporate whore establishment candidates are allowed to govern us, at some point there will probably be more civil disobedience, and the DOD seems to be considering how it will ready itself for those kind of events.
From the DOD report, "KNOWN UNKNOWNS: UNCONVENTIONAL “STRATEGIC SHOCKS” IN DEFENSE STRATEGY DEVELOPMENT, referenced in the beginning of this piece:
"Widespread civil violence inside the United States would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security,"
"Deliberate employment of weapons of mass destruction or other catastrophic capabilities, unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency, pervasive public health emergencies, and catastrophic natural and human disasters are all paths to disruptive domestic shock."
"An American government and defense establishment lulled into complacency by a long-secure domestic order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home..."
"Already predisposed to defer to the primacy of civilian authorities in instances of domestic security and divest all but the most extreme demands in areas like civil support and consequence management, DoD might be forced by circumstances to put its broad resources at the disposal of civil authorities to contain and reverse violent threats to domestic tranquility. Under the most extreme circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States."
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB890.pdfR.I.P :(
Russian military helicopter crashes during air showIf you want WWIII so bad go and put your jackboots on and get your checkbook out. Your not going to survive it whether you go to the front lines or not so I hope you are being paid accordingly. Do you care if your family and country survive? Or are you a psychopath in a prison somewhere making some money on the side being a troll?
Looks like the elites are trying to frighten the people more to allow them to put soldiers on the streets to ensure THEIR ECONOMIC SYSTEM AND WORTH IS MAINTAINED AT ALL COST. As people wake up this was the only path they had open to keep it as it is.
It is no more than the start of a fledgeling tyranny where those with everything to lose, money, wealth, entitlement are determined to keep all those with nothing the slaves / serfs in their position.
The soldiers are soon going to have to consider killing their own population to protect the ruling thieves or do they stand with the people to bring a fairer and more just system about. THAT IS A VERY BIG QUESTION?
All been done before ... in the end the Roman army was full of mercenarys from around their empire to enforce the laws of the Roman senate on the population like the rich don't pay taxes the poor are forced too.
History does rhyme then?
Pure Evil, it would be an honor to serve in your army ! Obama's hundreds of thousands of Muslim refugees could back fire on him .... they could unite the Christians, Jews, Hindis, Sikhs, Budhists, Confuscists, Libertarians and all honorable minorities .... against them .... and save us from a civil war ?
We are more likely to have a race war (blacks vs mexicans vs whites) than a civil war. Some would say it has already started.
Nope. The next "war" will be a class war. Fanning the "race war" flames is just a distraction, the pundits trying to create wedge issues so sheeple will remain clueless about the real problems. People are starting to understand that the real issues are based on rising inequality and lack of living wage jobs, not race.
http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/
A race war is pretty much the same as a class war. The blacks are dirt poor, mainly criminals. The Mexicans are not as poor, but are mostly illegals. The whites, who are generally well to do, are sick of dealing with the blacks and Mexicans, so they try to move away from them. But eventually there will be no place to move, and then the war breaks out.
Zero hedge has really gone downhill.
seems like the weekdays are more libertarian/classical liberals and weekends are more right wing fox news/drudge types.
good not to have an echo chamber, but I'm certainly not linking here anymore. Too many Ramirez cartoons. Embarrassing.
You may be speaking in a general sense but I think the US Army war College preparing for “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States" as a possible result of economic collapse as very relevant.
It is obvious that the war /college is behind the curve. New Your a power base, based on fiat currency I suppose, and California will be dismantled soon when the water is gone as the remaining amount is now down to 10 months or so. What power is in a desert?
Who are these guys anyhow to think up this trash. So much for military intelligence.
Until I see a betting line offered in Vegas on the odds of a civil war...I'm doubtful.
1. The military shall uphold their oaths to defend the Constitution.
2. We hang* all of the rich and their ho's that have driven the United States to ruin: politicians, lawyers, government bureaucrats, corrupt lying media propagandists, corrupt and perverted judiciary, corrupt law enforcement and injustice enforcers, culture corrupting educational establishment, and the rest of the elites.
3. The members of Affirmative Action Barry Soetoro's Free Shit Army are free to starve if they won't work productively.
*Executions by firing squad or guillotine are also acceptable.
How do they "work productively" when the number of living wage jobs keeps shrinking? Employers even expect part time employees to be on call if they want to "move up" and make another buck an hour over minimum wage. Getting a full time gig increasingly means having to go to college, taking on a mountain of debt, and then likely still ending up with a job that doesn't pay a living wage and is not in your chosen field.
Knee jerk soundbites must be what you eat for breakfast.
The next real war will be against the bankers and oligarchs to get rid of their debt slavery and odious debts.
A coming economic collapse is not 'unforseen'. It is totally forseen. When it happens the bankers (MSNBC, et al) will try to make sure the finger is pointed at somebody else. They will do whatever it takes to be seen as the white knights allowed to pick up the pieces from the rubble so they can build their NWO.
Mexicans are tolerant Christians .... an essential ally .... don't cast them as an enemy .... they are also largely indigenous .... of oriental extraction .... any plan without them will fail miserably .... concentrate on the Muslim enemy .... and the World War against them !
Zionists and the Israeli 5th column are a far bigger threat to American blood and treasure.
Zionists are hands down the greatest threat to humanity ever brought forth from the satanic realm. A rough estimate of 500m souls have been slaughtered by this demonic race. A solution is needed.
The Final FINAL solution
Sorry, mexicans have been brainwashed from day one to hate the gringo. The gringo any anyone not of Mexican birth living in the US. Before the massive 3rd world invasion of the US the gringo was any white Anglo-Saxon. Now, who knows what they consider to be a gringo.
They're taught very early on that the American's stole their Aztec lands. Aztec ran from upper Oregon through California over through Colorado and all the way east through Texas down into old Mexico.
The only going for us right now is the fact that not all Hispanics look upon each other as comrades.
Pureto Ricans look down on Mexican's as inferiors and I'm sure vice-versa. Much as Mexican's look down on Central Americans and their Native Indian populations.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/white-house-insider-u-s-orchestrated-mh17...
I'd prefer to concentrate upon the Jewish enemy who keeps throwing young western boys into the meat grinder against the muslims, and subverting western soverignty by allowing unchecked immigration into White lands and only White lands.
Hey asswipe next time you shave you will see the real enemy.
Jews did 911 using 19 Arabs to get gullible morons like YOU to hate Muslims.
You are a goddam FOOL in addition to being a lowlife imbecile.
Hey asswipe next time you shave you will see the real enemy.
Jews did 911 using 19 Arabs to get gullible morons like YOU to hate Muslims.
You are a goddam FOOL in addition to being a lowlife imbecile.
So have a few hundred of the illegals move in with you. Muslim's are only escaping the madness the zionists have created in their insane pursuit of the greater israel fantasy. Documented fact.
Santiago Matamoros!
The 3 Big Lie list has to be updated .... a fourth big lie .... Islam is a religion .... 5th lie .... Islam is peaceful .... 6th lie .... Islamist won't shoot an AK47 in your mouth !
You are a total idiot. Christers of the Useless Snakes have killed well over 10 million INNOCENT people around the world since 1960.
Get lost, MORON.
I call you my Jakarta Boy .... or .... Jakarta Jackass .... Islamo Boy 642AD ? LOL
Hey you are my bitch boy.
Listen up, dipshit. Lots of those B-52 jockeys are church goes. same with fighter jocks. All killing in name of the Lord.
Luckily I am atheist but have no quarrel with Muslims. ONly brainwashed fucktards like you do.
I have been given the job .... of skirmishing with you .... distracting you .... by my superiors back at HQ .... they felt we were a perfect match ! LOL
It's ironic you're being sarcastic.
My quick kick to your nuts and then squat and shit in your mouth gasping for air. Job done.
Pure Evil and me .... against Delicate Genes and Bitch Boy .... you name the place .... mud wrestling naked !
You are a dick... get used to it. And you get paid 'dick' rates no doubt... bahahahahahahaha :-)
"No quarrel with Muslims". That's rich. Wear that on an armband, see what that gets you once the ragheads start whacking off the infidel's head.
What a fucking brainwashed moron you are.
Fuck your raghead-loving viewpoint. Those subhuman savages have been fucking up the rest of the world for 700 (and counting years) without contributing meaningfully to ANYTHING cultural. They blow up historical cultural sites, they rape, they murder, they enslave, they breed like fruitflies. You like the notion of being murdered b/c you are a sorcerer? How about being murdered for apostasy? I will not tolerate that shit near me, and I'll violently protect my rights.
ahahahahah look at you, you dumb fuck :-) hubris mucho mak mak! geez louise.
That was an intelligent comment. . . Everyone has a plan . . . until they get hit. It's what happens next that makes the difference.
Ragheads vs Shitheads like you. I pick the ragheads. and lopping off your fucking goddam empty skull will be doing the world a a favour. Even your mother agrees.
Sepsis from intestinal repture due to anal rape from a well-hung boar would be too good an end for you.
I call you a complete and utter fuckwit... can't really add to that much. :-)
Overlook that.
Monetas, seriously you have no idea, none at all. Your posts are nothing but inflammatory. You are just trying to stir the shit pot, because that is what you're capabe of only... that is what you do best. Kudos to you and your ilk, stirrer of the shit pot, en mass!
And fuck all you raghead lovers. You dont tolerate my God and my ways? Doom on you. I will stand for freedom. All the way.
SECESSION - Noun - 1. an act or instance of seceding
The rich and the elites believe that serving in the military is for their social and economic and intellectual inferiors. The Warrior Class loathes the rich and their elite ho's. As a former United States Marine I firmly believe that the American Warrior Class will very happily destroy the rich and their elite ho's.
Well get off you ass and do something about it!!!
History does not give one shred of evidence to your postulate.
The warrior class has been committing suicide at an ever increasing rate just to avoid doing what you propose.
That's exactly my point: talk is cheap, action is golden.
Just don't expect me to reveal any actionable intelligence for the ho's at the NSA.
Some people have never left the first civil war.
But in reality, state will have nothing to do with it. They are a distraction in the real fight, the fight of those that have money, power and those that do not have it.
That has been going on for a while, and continues, having nothing to do with states.
The skirmishes are welfare, both corporate and slave.
Tax handouts are another skirmish....
Globalization, yep.
The was has been going on for a while, the banksters are winning and will win. They were winning from day one. Keeping it quiet is part of the strategy.
Yes, this is coming!
People are becoming more and more angrier every day with the prospect of a welfare state. People are tired of the idea of slaving away and working their entire life to promote welfare of billionaires.
‘Proud’ producers work ‘til 65 and still making payments.
Damn. But this is what happens when people are out to ‘save’ everyone else. With free food.
‘For $30.00 a month you’ll enable this young chap to breed all the $30.00 a month females.’