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The Surveillance State Goes Mainstream: Windows 10 Is Watching (& Logging) Everything
If Edward Snowden's patriotic exposure of all things 'super secret surveillance state' in America were not enough, Newsweek reports that, as 10s of millions of hungry PC users download the free upgrade, Windows 10 is watching - and logging and sharing - everything users do... and we mean everything.
Windows 10 should be renamed to Spyware OS https://t.co/4N8x3XJ9dv
— Thomas Fuchs (@thomasfuchs) July 31, 2015
From the moment an account is created, Microsoft begins watching. The company saves customers' basic information - name, contact details, passwords, demographic data and credit card specifics - but it also digs a bit deeper... and finding answers is not easy, as one privacy expert exclaimed, "there is no world in which 45 pages of policy documents and opt-out settings split across 13 different Settings screens and an external website constitutes 'real transparency'."
More than 14 million devices are already running Microsoft’s Windows 10 after its global launch on Wednesday, but it’s unclear how many of their users read the company’s Privacy Policy and Service Agreement before downloading. Tucked away in the 45 pages’ worth of terms and conditions (effective August 1) is a substantial power grab: The company is collecting data on much of what you do while using its new software.
From the moment an account is created, Microsoft begins watching. The company saves customers’ basic information - name, contact details, passwords, demographic data and credit card specifics - but it also digs a bit deeper.
Other information Microsoft saves includes Bing search queries and conversations with the new digital personal assistant Cortana; contents of private communications such as email; websites and apps visited (including features accessed and length of time used); and contents of private folders. Furthermore, “your typed and handwritten words are collected,” the Privacy Statement says, which many online observers liken to a keylogger. Microsoft says they collect the information “to provide you a personalized user dictionary, help you type and write on your device with better character recognition, and provide you with text suggestions as you type or write.”
All this information doesn’t necessarily remain with just Microsoft. The company says it uses the data collected for three purposes: to provide and improve its services; to send customers personalized promotions; and to display targeted advertising, which sometimes requires the information be shared with third parties.
Though possibly surprising to some, the company’s data collection practices fit within the industry’s new normal.
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Also like its competitors, Microsoft says it will disclose content of private communications or files in saved documents to “respond to valid legal process.” In the company’s latest bi-annual transparency report released in late March, it disclosed that of the 31,002 government requests for information received between June and December 2014, it disclosed content of personal communications in 3.36 percent of cases and non-content data in 73.17 percent.
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Microsoft didn’t respond to requests for comment about specifics of the privacy terms, but in a blog post introducing them, Microsoft’s deputy general counsel, Horacio Gutierrez, calls the Privacy Statement a “straightforward resource for understanding Microsoft’s commitments for protecting individual privacy.” Alex Meer of the gaming website Rock Paper Shotgun countered, “There is no world in which 45 pages of policy documents and opt-out settings split across 13 different Settings screens and an external website constitutes ‘real transparency’.”
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In other words, big brother is very much here... and we invited into our homes for free.
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Whhaaatttt? And I thought Bill Gates was a model global citizen?
Globalism is much like communism; good for the elite bad for the citizen.
Windows 10 does what the article describes, unless you go through two pages of settings at install time and flip all the "share my data" switches to "no".
That sounds foolproof. Of course they would respect your opt out, right? They would never do it anyway and tell you they dont. I trust Microsoft completely.
I personally don't think they're evil enough to add placebo opt-out switches, but if you're not convinced, it's quite a simple matter to look at all the network traffic to and from your computer: www.wireshark.org
I cancelled my"opt in" for the free upgrade twice and it seemed to automatically put me back into the "accepted" cue for the free upgrade. That was the first red flag, I actually smelled a useless upgrade designed to collect data before I ever started hearing what this article says. My sixth sense kicked in long before.
This setup is perfect, these companies just need to know more and more about you in order to stay relevant. Just happens to be the .Gov benefits from having access to more information on your than they could possibly ever dream of...when they need, meaning if you ever get "terroristy"...like say buying dehydrated food.
I'm not worried; all my data is safely stored on one of those clouds sponsored by Ashley Madison.
That's why I use Ubuntu.
Yep, I know what my Linux install is doing and you can be as paranoid as you want to be.....
and yet another reason why not to use Microsoft - period. In fact if you wanted a sure fire way of shooting yourself i the foot before you'd released, it would be to stick MS logo on it.
as I've told many people....why do you think they called it "Windows" in the first place? It has always been a spy operating system. In fact, Windows really shouldn't be thought of as an O/S at all.
It's the ultimate computer virus.
I run Windows 7 and never got offered an upgrade. Bastards....
Running XP, I had been waiting 10 years for a free upgrade offer. Then switched to Linux where upgrades are always for free.
Globalism, corporatism, trampling privacy, ridiculously short product lifespans, unstable, viruses.
What's not to love?
From the Windows 10 terms & conditions...
"We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services."
Personal data... private files and folders... WTF?
What is, is.
--your neighborhood Federal Regulator.
Sponsored By your National Security Agency
Please support our annual Langley Golf Tournament , April 13-20 2016
See you there!
That depends on your definition of ISIS...
"Running XP, I had been waiting 10 years for a free upgrade offer. Then switched to Linux where upgrades are always for free."
+1 Yep...I still have XP with network diasbled and run Linux on the web.
There is an update which installs a "Free Windows 10 Upgrade" icon in your system tray. Very pushy.
Yes and even if you customize the icon to "Hide icon and notifications" every time you reboot, it will immediately reappear in your system tray. We should all know better than to download something "Free" from a Company such as Microsoft, especially before it has been explored by the Online community.
I uninstalled that update. There are several others which I have not installed because I consider them malware. I used to run Ubuntu before Windows 7 brought me back. I may be returning to Ubuntu in the future.
That's why I use Gentoo ... I do know precisely what Linux software is installed, and being compiled from source, I know each package has not been tampered with, and I able to review the source code if I want to.
< being compiled from source, I know each package has not been tampered with, and I able to review the source code if I want to. >
Ken Thompson's 1984 Lecture "Reflections of Trusting Trust", and why you can't trust the compiler:
https://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf
"" and I able to review the source code if I want to. ""
Spoken by every Linux enthusiast I ever met who never reviews the source code.
Yes, I use Ubuntu at work and it does everything I need (which is mostly web browsing with Firefox, Chrome(ium) etc.). Between that and my smartphone I can't see any reason to use Windows anymore.
Sorry to inform you, but Chrome isn't exactly secure, nor private. It tracks and logs absolutely everything you do. It tells you this in the EULA. Try Pale Moon, it's a 64-bit Firefox. Also, check out the uTorrent browser. Very promising on decentralizing the web.
Tor Browser
They don't even have to use fake opt out switches. All they have to do is change their privacy policy, which they can do AT ANY TIME. Nobody reads the legal fine print, so everyone will be screwed good and hard.
The evil plan is to lure everyone in with "free" software, then pull the rug out. Classic drug dealer tactic. Did you think free was really gonna be free?
I'd hate to say it, but the company I work for does exactly this, all the time. In our case we want to know if all the cute widgets and popouts actually work or if they anger too many visitors. So the scale of collection is pretty incredible (there's a lot of active work to predict what people are thikning through their interactions with the computer), and the real questions is who gets that info, and what for.
But yes, the 'we just updated our legal policy' method is exactly what companies do. When online I'd recommend Ghostery or NoScript for the first layer of protection online, and a non-Windows OS at homei.
It sounds like the new Windows business model is to be Android, right?
Is Android any different?
You will find all kinds of things, if you look hard enough. Little tricks can also be used to catch things out of the corner of your eye since the sneaks may not want to play while being watched. Try looking at your DNS cache once in awhile...
Required by regulation.
https://www.google.com/#q=opt+out+regulations
Wireshark is great but you are not going to be able to decipher the encrypted communication dump that happens between your computer and their server.
I opt out of Google but there is still an sql database on my drive collecting absolutely eveything...I think the data is harvested by default, and the permissions are granted by the user. So even if you decline, the data is still accumulated, just a matter of he authorities asking for it.
where is the database, whats it called and how to delete it?
- 1,000,000,000,000 to Microsoft
They deserve pain for crappy software, except for the parts that do work well (the spyware going to them, to marketers and to .gov).
"Windows 10 does what the article describes, unless you go through two pages of settings at install time and flip all the "share my data" switches to "no". "
And then one has to assume, a VERY big assumption, that Micro$oft has complied, and/or isn't hiding anything else. I wouldn't bet my hat on it.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Micro$oft corporate motto: "What we steal is ours."
You'd pretty much have to be a pretty big freaken idiot to install this after knowing this OS is nothing but a backdoor for M$ and NSA and any other big brother. The OS should be 100% free based on the fact they save all this info and try to monetize it too!
You would have to be even more stupid to believe that selecting "no/disable" actually turns off those features, or still doesen't allow M$ to re-enable them remotely or later on down the line when they "update" their privacy policies a la Facebook style. Ironically Apple with their new shitty OSX is basically the same anyhow too
At best you can opt-out of M$ using all this data to monetize it, but I doubt it stops them from collecting this info and putting into some blackmail government repository in case they need it later on. People should either use a bit of brain power and install a free linux desktop OS or just stay with Windows 7. (But I think that is asking too much from 90% of the population)
"I'm a thief, but I keep what I steal."
-Cortana
you think a switch turned off really act like it is supposed to do based on the definition of the sentence where you clic ?
lol man, you should really take some lesson about windows, rule N°1 never trust a function by the settings but always test it in real condition.
billion times a security setting not working, clic NO on a stuff then any good firewall pop up behind " excuse me sir you have a shit trying to throw stuff outside of the house "
this windows is just the most 1984 style mankind has ever designed.
no possibility to perma off the anti malware, no possibility to perma off the updades, etc...
stay with seven x64. the very last O.S where you have control about 99% of the computer. windows 10 = you ass is gaped with gyneco speculum to the NSA servers up to your throat.
kill gxw.exe process, unregister the dll, get the ownership, delete the files, and final move is killing windows update FOREVER, then you have a solid seven, locked & steady.
PLEASE Tell me more or direct me to a link please.
I have 7x 64. THING that made me think twice is how the upgrade takes away my ability to supervise UPDATE. I want nothing to do with Cloud control. Going to remove this Windows 10 upgrade option that is already planted and ready to go.
So I am looking at the gwx.exe suggestion.
PLEASE tell me more about:
....ass is gaped with gyneco speculum....
Nice touch .... LOL
Hi Invisible Touch,
I had a few questions on win 7 and would appreciate your help. Sent you a contact request.
Thanks.
Colleague who worked at a software company which tested the code in the pre-release said they found a key logger embedded in Windows 10; everything you type is recorded - so I wouldn't doubt the rest of this story in the least.
XP SP2 forever
Yepp.
"XP SP2 forever"
Is there something about SP3 I need to know about? I'd appreciate hearing from you on this.
I am seriously doubting this. The features people are freaking about are things that are already in their iphone, android, etc. Use voice to search or write an email? That gets sent to someone's servers. Want prediction services in your web browsr? That gets sent somewhere. Turn all those features off. Heck, you can lock the system down hard if you want. Don't save your passwords and form data. Don't create a microsoft account to store your Windows credentials. Use open source Keepass to keep your passwords and information private. Use a browser like Firefox or the open-source Chromium and limit your plugins. Get a software firewall that you can lock down outbound communications with. You get the picture.
Yup flipping a digital switch aught to do it.
Deactivate your cell phone GPS lately?
Faraday bag seems to work nicely though ... very inexpensive on eBay.
Only expose your location when you choose to.
...as is 'Climate Change,' unchecked immigration, social instabilty, an ignorant populace, on and on...
Bingo! Globalism is the success of a new form of Smart Communism. Everything is manipulated for the benfit of 1%, and all others are screwed. The markets are controlled by central banks, there is no free market, except in labor. Labor is, and will remian, a dog eat dog free for all free market.
Globalism is The Internationale. They changed the name, not the fuckery.
It was never actual Communism. Its always been Bolshevism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKzlh9kN4HI
It's Windows into your Soul. :) They are infact very transparent, but to their corporate and government interests, not to the users, who simply get used.
It's exactly the same thing that android and Apple do, they track all this information which does comes in handy when you need it.
It's also exactly the same thing that zero hedge does, I don't know anybody's noticed all the trackers on the side but it's just as bad.
All for the love advertising revenue.
Bill Gates is a POW.
it's also downloading various files whether you ask it to or not.
I swear officer, I NEVER watched child porn!!!!
This must be a mistake . . .
That is exactly how it will go down one day with important political opponents. Your computer will be found with everything from snuff films to stolen Social Security numbers. The incumbent will talk about how unfortunate your demise is and act like he/she is so sad to see it happen.
Whatever serves their purposes will either be revealed, like your latex foot fetish or any legal proceedings that are supposed to be sealed. If I recall this very thing happened to one of Obama's early political opponents. The details of an ugly divorce were miraculously leaked during the campaign.
I do not know any way around it. I see recommendations here for different operating systems but frankly most (including me) do not know how to load and operate them.
Welcome to 1984 vesion 10.0.
This is just MS trying to keep up with the two sociopaths at google
Don't forget FaceBang.
It isn't just the ads they sell that give them a $260 Billion market cap.
Aye, and all the Millenials thought Google was going to be the "freedom from the corporate establishment" company.
Reminds me of all the Hippies who turned into insurance company executives and .gov mandarins.
Hippies were simply Hitler Youth on pot
Sandmann:
That is absurd prejudice.
In my opinion, "hippies" were primarily white middle class youth that were somewhat thinking about atomic bombs, and the rest of the full course of environmental destruction. Of course, there was nothing practical that most of them could do about those realities of our civilization being based on endless exponential economic growth, backed by weapons of mass destruction. Therefore, most of them eventually worked within those political economy systems that nobody could actually get out of anyway.
But nevertheless, it seems to be to be RIDICULOUS to assert that "hippies" were fascists who happened to also be consuming cannabis. On the contrary, all of them that I have known were people who were aware of the bigger problems ... whose awareness has mostly ended up being reduced to close to 100% pessimism regarding the most probable futures, since NOTHING IMPORTANT CHANGED, while those do did their best to TRY merely discovered more and more the reasons for how and why it was practically impossible to change anything that really mattered. "Hippies" were primarily those who were concerned that the civilization they were born into was based upon runaway criminal insanities, such as building more and more atomic bombs. Of course, there were some idealistic interpretations of what "we should do" about that ... However, apart from some trivial increase in some personal freedoms, NOTHING WAS DONE TO PREVENT THE HUMAN SPECIES FROM PREPARING TO COMMIT COLLECTIVE SUICIDE.
Civilization is almost totally controlled by systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which give extreme advantages to big corporations, as long as those play ball with the biggest bullies that dominate that civilization through their bullshit. Microsoft, et alia, would NOT be players unless they agreed to cooperate with the biggest bullies. Civilization consists of almost nothing but a core of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups. NO business gets to be big and successful unless it plays ball with the biggest gangsters, the banksters.
So-called "hippies" were mostly naive regarding the degree to which the real world was based upon a runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut, that operating according to the principles and methods of organized crime. Therefore, they used to tend to be optimistic, and to believe more in various impossible ideals. However, eventually, the vast majority of them accepted the ways things really worked, and so, in one way or another, to different degrees, they also ended up working for the biggest bullies.
MEANWHILE:
As long as there are enough natural resources left to strip-mine at an exponential rate, the established systems will be able to continue. Nobody who is not able to be more dishonest, and back that up with more violence, can actually change things, while the only ways that they can really change things by those means would be to make those get even worse, even faster ... Therefore, OVERALL, everything being "paid" for with "money" made out of nothing as debts automatically continues to get worse, faster ... Civilization continues to operate through fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, wherein being a big, successful, business means operating through those systems, in order to turn more of the Earth's natural resources in garbage and pollution, as fast as possible, in order to run the debt engine treadmills ... The so-called "hippies" day dreamed about maybe ameliorating that situation. However, one by one, most of them gave up. Especially since those who did not give up basically accomplished almost nothing significant to prevent civilization from continuing to operate through MAD Money As Debt, backed by MAD Mutual Assured Destruction, in ways which have done nothing than become MADDER & MADDER ...
"Hippies" were always a relatively small minority of the overall population, who had enough education and information to be able to more intelligently imagine the tragic trajectory that a civilization based on promoting endless economic growth with weapons of mass destruction was on, namely, that the human species was collectively preparing to commit suicide. Of course, most "hippies" also, in their own ways, sooner or later, recognized that was the actual situation, that society was controlled by backing up lies with violence, and therefore, was going to continue to deliberately ignore rational evidence and logical arguments regarding doing that, because the ONLY ways that terminally sick and insane society were actually being controlled by was through each short-term increment of continuing to back up bigger lies, with more violence.
By and large, I was never aware of any significant subset of the "hippies" which were closet fascists. Rather, the vast majority of them were merely naive idealists, who gradually were forced to face the facts that they were horribly mistaken. The real world around them was based on runaway psychotic attitudes, due to thousands of years of social successfulness based upon backing up deceits with destruction, and enforcing frauds. Inside that context, all of the successful computer-based companies ended up being incorporated into those overall systems, or else they would never have become successful, since the political economy is almost totally based upon organized crime, and so, nobody who does not cooperate with the biggest gangsters, the banksters, is able to become successful and survive.
Entities like Microsoft, and Google, etc., are necessarily evil collaborators with the established systems, or else they would not exist. Indeed, EVERYONE is participating inside of systems which are based on strip-mining the planet's natural resources as fast as possible, because those who were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence have dominated EVERYONE, and EVERYTHING that actually got done. Meanwhile, "hippies" became somewhat superficially aware of that, and made superficial efforts to change that. OF COURSE, THEY DID NOT SUCCEED IN CHANGING ANYTHING IMPORTANT.
NOBODY ELSE HAS EITHER!
Intellectually, this is more accurate than one might believe: In the late 1920s and early 1930s Germany, there was a group of pre-hippies called the "Wandervogel" which was one of the precursors of the Hitler Youth. The Wandervogel entertained the romantic nationalist and eugenic notions of their time, mixed in with some Oriental philosophy and a touch of the modernity from the Dadaists, Bauhaus and what became the ideas leading up to Weimar - many of these memes floating around were certainly not exclusively German and were to be found in the US & the rest of Europe but lots of the Nazis came from these Wandervogel groups (although not all Wandervogel were Nazis of course).
I remember reading an article about them in CoEvolution Quarterly (a great little publication, in a sense a published precursor of the Web).
Yeah, flapdoodle, that would not surprise me. It typically happens that idealistic "useful idiots" get sucked into organizations that gradually transform into becoming more and more monstrous!
P.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7uqLapB4Wk
Deek Jackson - Is it just me ?Isn't their company slogan (We) Do Know Evil?
There should be a law against this kind of software. With 1 sentence... the death penalty for the board and upper management.
No law will prevent it. It's better to just assume that everything you do electronically is being recorded, analyzed, and sold.
Basically, keep your on-line presence as gray as possible.
Might not work, but it would be entertaining trying it.
More likely the resistors will be strung up on live reality TV.
Funny, NOW we finally have some sheeple outraged. Your phone and your crapple products have been doing this for years. Any new car models will as well. But the most evil tech company on the planet does it and people are upset. Classic.
Stomp on your phucking phone, and when crapple has zero customers I'll believe we are on the right track.
It's time for a new Constitutional Amendment on privacy and data collection. Between what companies keep and the NSA peeps and other legal authorities can demand...you essentially have 24/7 recordings available at any time to a "legal" government seizure. You will become a witness against yourself without your knowledge. The 5th Amendment will become pointless.
Second, the fact I might contract a service like Microsoft or Apple does not automatically mean I want them to keep an active record of my life or read all my email. Consider this, it is illegal for the U.S. Post Office to read or open your mail and for good reasons. It is actually now legal for MS or Apple or Verizon to open and read all your mail simply because you ask them to deliver it. It should not also be tilted toward the negative as in the agreements. It is or should not be assumed that you give authority to any entity to collect data on you as a baseline. The opposite should be assumed that you give them no authority to monitor your communications and interactions unless you specifically request they do so...to help your shopping experience or whatever other BS they are telling you.
Time to reestablish some liberty. Otherwise we are on the verge of all that crap you see in the movies and books like Minority Report and 1984. The internet and computers are giving government and maybe others the ability to become electronic gods. They can see, track, record and then predict your every movement.
The Middle Ages are looking better to me all the time.
Counter measures come to mind.
Why not have a program that stuffs data down their trap? So much shit as to be wothless
I have a dying computer does anyone have any suggestions on avoiding this upon my next purchase, ubunto maybe? Thanks
Purchase the older version of Windows you like now, and install it on the new computer later.
Fuck MS. I wouldn't buy any of their shit products. Go open source linux. Look for a hardened kernal.
Try the latest Ubuntu distro, variant Lubutnu (for less capable machines). You will be pleased.
It is at moments like these I truly appreciate the ZH community.
If anyone cares to, post some links and advice for Linux, Ubuntu or other things including browsers. I want to opt out of the monitored world, even though "they" tell me it is for my own good and convenience.
Or Linux Mint (derived from Ubuntu) ... it has all the extra goodies pre-installed. With Ubuntu you wil need to add some stuff (like Flash) after the initial install.
Linix Mint is easier to install if you are lazy ....
I recommend Linux Mint.
http://www.linuxmint.com/
I far prefer Linux Mint over Ubuntu, the reason being that Mint has the philosophy of rarely (if ever) requiring updates, whereas Ubuntu wants you to do automated updates constantly.
I don't know for Mint, but Ubuntu is the baby of a 'philanthropist' hundred-millionnaire who SURELY is acting on orders to offer a very particular (and enticing) version of linux that is EXTREMELY easy to infect via code updates. (That's just my opinion, but in any case, I've had it with constant updates from servers that, for sure, are vulnerable to the NSA).
My XP pro is still working just fine.I just rebuild the hardware now and again.
I have Ubuntu running on another computer, but I'm finding it hard going to be honest.
Must be getting old. I still remember the piles of punchcards with my first computer.
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Any suggestions for laptop brands? This one is an ASUS it isn't bad, it has had a very hard life. Also, are there preferable alternatives to Best Buy (I detest those bastards).
Newegg.com, refurb Lenovo T420 Thinkpad with Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834319122&cm_re=lenovo_t420_refurbished-_-34-319-122-_-Product
Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 or now 3. i7 with large SSD.
You want to make sure NSA gets your messages quickly.
True that, all the electronics are bugged and rigged.
I'm on an old Thinkpad SL410 Duo core, but with a 128GB SSD and 8GB's of ram it runs great.
On Labor Day I plan on making pressure cooker chicken, but I'll have to bring it in a backpack when I travel to Grandma's and we go to the stadium for the ball game.
Love it.
I'm sure you're looking forward to seeing the President there.
First thing to do when buying a laptop is look up how to create a clean install .ISO if you are going with Windows. I would also get an ISO of Backtrack 5, external wireless USB adapter thats compatible, and read up on what Backtrack is used for and learn something new. This may come in handy in the very near future.
Waiting to see over the next few weeks what the publc finds using packet sniffers in Win 10. MSFT is in the crosshairs from even people saying good things about Win 10. I don't see anywhere completely trusting this OS. Ubuntu might become very mainstream.
One option would be to look at some laptops with Linux installed already. A common problem people run into is finding out there are no drivers available for your peripherals. I've got Mint on this Win7 box but there is no support for my dual monitor graphics adapter. The same goes for my multifunction printer and super-sonic soundcard. You may get them to work but minus the features. If your peripherals are supported it's a no brainer.
http://www.howtogeek.com/185286/how-to-buy-a-laptop-for-linux/
Linux driver support is much better these days, than say Windows 8 driver support for older hardware.
Many years ago getting the right drivers for Linux tended to be a problem, but the past five years or so, I've been amazed by Linux - nearly zero problems with drivers (and then, only with companies like NVidia that threw up problems to Linux - they have eventually gotten religion and NVidis provided chipset support is now quite decent (this after the Linux community reverse engineered their stuff anyway).
A clean install is better.
Get a Macbook Pro. They cost more up front but if you take care of it, it will cost less than the 3 craptops you'd have bought over the same period. And it won't have all the current spyware in the chips, either. Just the old spyware...
If you haven't figured it out yet: Apple is the new Microsoft. They are following the exact same path, just more expensive
They are following...
You don't have to run OSX on it, FD.
Thank the bris casualty sociopath, Al Gore II, and his friends and minions.
Stop being minions. Dicks.
Eunichs run Microsoft.
Eunichs run Google.
Eunichs run the Ivy League.
Go look.
TPM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
Clippy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip
The Honor of Bill Gates Before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYLBA1Ldq6M
The Honor of Bill Gates After:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC6cSz9gRhc
All, all, these destructive men, these Golems of their mothers, experienced extreme trauma to their genitalia in infancy. A proper bris is a male clitorectomy.
Eunichs.
IMO Gates fought the good fight too early. Since he campaigned for all OS manufacturers to refuse the Clipper chip, he's been John Galt with Cuffy Megs' gun at his side. POW. If TPTB threaten to kill your family, having many examples of their enthusiasm to do so, what would you do? Here's the trap: after you serve them they'll kill you and your family anyway. SEE JFK, JFK JR
What you would do is, wait for me.
First Rule of Fight Club: You have to fight.
Fuck Zion
I'm optimistic too. The minority report informs their terminal flaw.
Take away the cruel bris, and those men will be free. From birth.
True Allies.
Their freeloading mothers don't want this. Hitlary, let them go.
Guys, don't vote for that crazy bitch.
It will take a while to undo 5000 years of genetic selection. Its worth it to really be free. Black Americans have shown that it can be done. Pretty fast.
Its on.
That's old. Fortran? Cobol?
Fortran.
I still use Fortran professionally. It isn't dead. There are a couple of very efficient compilers out there, and if you are doing numerical modeling instead of op-sys parsing, it is a whole lot more transparent to the algorithm than C or variants.
Dayamn! We did Fortran IV back in college with card readers...on the Univac, no less.
Ha! "Slowbol"....The good ol' days. ..
Yep Winston- I started programming byi learning to wire an IBM punchcard sorter - and got to play with a 1401, but my first personal computer was a Laser 128 (Apple II clone). I'm still with XP2 SP2, but want to get a linux distro on an older laptop i have, probably ubantu. I did a little Linux 10 years ago, I suspect it will be hard, but i gotta get out of MS. Cocksuckers.
You aren't old yet-- if you can still remember that those punchcards were for a computer and not for, um, eh, well, something or other.
Long may you reign.
LINUX MINT
We prefer still run Mint 8, but there is much later versions.
download any version on internet... but never beyond seven, no 8, no 8.1, no 10,
seven x86 works pretty well on a intel atom 230...... 1.6ghz, with 2gb of ram. it works pretty well for office 2013 and some coreldraw drawing and 2-3 website reading.
no need for much if you know how to set the things up.
Linux Mint Mate (pronounced Ma Tay). It's more like Windows 7. Also, if you are using Windows 7, check out the Aviator browser...
The fascho-corporatist state continues it's inexorable rise,,,
;-D
You mostly have to build your own OS at this point, Its a lot of work but really theres no other way. Regedit helps a little, but every addon, game, software and hardware update has lots of data collection programs on them.
To track down and remove, edit and filter all of your programs is a full time job in itself.
Its easier to just keep one computer always offline and the other without anything on it for your online use.
So you at this point need two computers. The offline computer must never ever ever be updated or ever have a connection to the internet. The internet box must never have any personal information on it, ever. This will limit some spying but if you use any electronic service you are traced and tracked, always.
My next OS is the one i will be forced to build myself. Even then im still traced and tracked so a lot of work for vary little return. But ill take what privacy i can get, because its my devine given right.
cut the heart out of the dying friend and reinstall it.
Article is misleading. Windows 10 isn't doing the spying, it's the Microsoft cloud based user system. Setup a "local" user and forgoe connection to Microsoft's cloud services and you're back to Win7 level privacy. Whatever that's worth...
Sorry, but I do not agree. MS OSes are shot through with monitoring s/w. WinNT security library had code for MS_KEY and right next to it NSA_KEY. It's not like they got religion after that, ya know? Assume the worst because it is probably even worse.
You just did agree with me bro. It's not a new issue and the things they're referring to in the article are mostly tied to the Microsoft cloud. Hence why I said setting up a local user gets you to Win7 security for whatever that's worth. What's more interesting to me is how Microsoft has been forced into the services and cloud model. They made Windows free Now because they would have had to in 10 years or less anyway, and by then it would have been rendered irrelevant.
You wrote " Windows 10 isn't doing the spying, it's the Microsoft cloud based user system."
No, it's the entire fuster cluck that is monitoring you. And without cloud, it still monitors and passes on your information.
And there are plenty of back doors for your alphabet agency servants to use to open your entire platform up to their eyes. All of the major players are compromised, entirely.
At this point LINUX or UNIX is about all we have as a more secure alternative.
I might add that there are enough computing resources in modern network attached resources, printers, WiFi APs and NAS storage, to act as very effective network sniffers behind your firewall. It only takes one compromised device behind your firewall to ruin your day.
the essence of seven is not clic on siri like " open me google " fucktard lazy fuckers couch beerers...
this is much on the apple fucktards on the office who have no fucking clue why they are hired and here for...
a man knowing computing do not use vocal command.
period.
all those stuff need perma connexion to be used. siri will not respond offline, just like "cortonzola" or whatever the fuck is its name. seven is the last windows o.s
8 & 8.1 are tablet hybrid failure just like win 2000 was about the nt kernel hybrid...
win10 is just a step backward in term of hybrid of 8.1 tablet to please more oldschool users.
but the counterpart it is now totally online based O.S, and nobody serious will never put a win10 if they must unplug internet to prevent any leak of information... this is ridiculous.
i will end by adding this comment : in life, nothing is free. all, have a cost.
if you think it is normal to get win10 free upgrade when you have fully working kms office & seven.... + the windows update not able to check genuine even without KBxxxx blabla....
you should reconsider your sexuality, because i think you like to be fucked and you just not have consciousness of it.
I have my doubts that even Linux is still uncompromised. Haven't you heard about systemD and PulseAudio?
It is a centralized piece of software that is backed by Red Hat, that is taking control of the whole Linux ecosystem with MS like tactics.
PulseAudio takes control of your audio card and makes it easy to tap the mic input and stream it on Internet.
I agree with you Spigot.
Window 10 is designed to spy/log all you do from soup to nuts in its code, cloud, product tie ins, but it's also a piece of shit.
I decided last year it wasnt worth the effort to be truly anonymous.
But there sure are an awful lot of "mes"
I am legion.
;0]
You are lesion?
huh.
What, are you deaf or something?
He said he was leaving.
I'd forgotten all about that, thanks for the reminder.
Bad information, win 10 locally does all the work of handing it off to the cloud.
An important one besides the obvious finger print, facial print, retina scan, password, camera and microphone, spellingcheck -spying, is the keyboard input signature, not just the words you type, but also how you type, stroke intervals etc.
I'm sure MS is no worse than Google.
There is no NEED to create an MS account to use Windows 10, you can create a 'local' account.
I just found this article about it:
http://www.techworm.net/2014/10/microsofts-windows-10-permission-watch-e...
“If you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes any use [of]it for purposes such as improving performance, or [if you]enter text, we may collect typed characters, we may collect typed characters and use them for purposes such as improving autocomplete and spell check features.”
They can keep it, and only the clueless sheep would want it.
Good reply Allan, I am a law abider nothing on my machine I'm worried about, yet, it disturbes me when I am surveilanced to this degree, I grew up in a home where people didn't read others mail and I feel violated in today's World, what can I do?
Sparkey, you break about a dozen laws daily, from the moment you step into the shower. They are obscure laws, but they are on the books, and if The Man decides you not quite the type of citizen they want to keep around, those obscure laws can be used against you.
Start by growing a brain. You think you are a "law-abider". TPTB think otherwise. You are a target, just like the rest of us. Your hard-earned cash can and will be stripped from you for no good reason at a non-justified roadside stop. And you will have to advance a lawyer $100,000 to get it back. That's where it starts. You think you're imiune to having kiddy porn planted on your PC because you're a law-abider? I think not.
Welcome to your nightmare. Goody two-shoes just does not cut it any more in the USSA.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Well said, Socratic. Revenue traffic stops, Kelo property seizures for the Mayor's brother-in-law, NSA back doors, IRS targeted audits. It's here and they will be improving on how it works.
I do not see it being reversed any time soon.
Your only option is to cut the cord.
Meaning cut all digital communications.
Everything.
Then move to the Amazon jungle.
Its the only way man.
I recommend the Amazon cause your only other choice is Alaska or Siberia.
Do you still get the free shipping?
Good reply Allan, I am a law abider nothing on my machine I'm worried about, yet, it disturbes me when I am surveilanced to this degree, I grew up in a home where people didn't read others mail and I feel violated in today's World, what can I do?
Software is never "free". If there's no charge, it's because they are selling YOU as the commodity.
Ah well, another day another proctology exam.
Moooon Riveeer...
But the naked pictures of me on my HD are safe right?
Edit: I've always been worried that what I type on ZH, but don't send, is recorded by someone somewhere.
Of you?
Probably.
LINUX, people. Forget anything either MS or GOOG has put out. They are both compromised to high heaven. Most MS apps will run passably in WINE (WINdoze Emulator for LINUX).
WINE (Wine Is Not an Emulator) = Lifecycle extender, cost avoidance (licensing and training), extends ROI. Most anything in terms of applications or games prior to 2008 installs and runs smoothly. Use PlayOnLinux and it adds a nice front end with install wizards to make anything fit like a glove.
Run WordPerfect...older version of Office...DOS applications...Win 3.1 applications. Longer you use a piece of paid for software the more it pays you back for the effort of buying it. WINE, again, runs all the old stuff you thought you couldn't use anymore.
Don't forget DosBox!
Windows 10--Micro$oft finally goes full Big Brother.
For those of us in the know, windows 8 was Windows 7 with some crap bolted on and forced upon the user.
Windows 10 is Windows 7 with the same Windows 8 crap bolted on, but just moved around, and the crap is still forced upon the user.
Windows 10 is also the culmination of Micro$oft's complicity with Big Brother.
Oh, and Windows 10 is ugly.
However, Micro$oft, is still as ugly as ever.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Wait until China announces soon that they will no longer install Windows on PCs they manufacture that are destined for the Asian market. Going to be gnashing of teeth in Redmond.
Got a couple of options here:
For windows users just looking for internet, online stuff, movies, bit of gaming, email, productivity and reverse compatibility with their old Windows stuff that doesn't work on Windows 7-8-10 (install PlayOnLinux and all the old stuff you like to use suddenly works again, just follow the wizards.)
http://www.ubuntu.com/
http://www.linuxmint.com/
http://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown
For more experienced computer users:
https://www.archlinux.org/
https://www.debian.org/
For people that write their own device drivers and OS's as uber-geeks.
http://www.slackware.com/
Protip: Back up your stuff first before you commit to installing anything - photos, video, docs, save files, whatever you find you are looking for over a month...that's all the stuff you want on a DVD/datakey/portable harddrive off to the side.
you cant play AAA titles past dx10 on any emulator, just because the host has not itself the power to make a solid 60fps most part of the time, how would you get decent gaming in any emulation...
even now you cant emulate a playstation 2 correctly...
You left out the industrial grade version, which is CentOS - this distro is super stable, free, and is powerful enough to run anything from a WWW site to full featured cloud.
And this is why Linux & Debian is going to destroy the OS market.
I've been hearing that for 20 years.
#41
In a sense, Linux actually destroyed Windows about 5 years ago. Its called Android. Android is really just a set of applications running on top of Linux, Google's distro if you will, and with the proliferation of smartphones, there are a scale of magnitude more computers running Linux than Windows... Microsoft has tried mightily to crack the smarphone market in those five years but their crappy way of doing things has kept them from succeeding, thank God!
Guess what, artards? Your ISP is doing all this shit for you. I run Fedora but it's not like it's exactly a secret. Aww you use a SELinux and Tor for all your routing? Too fucking bad - any request sent through an ISP, absolutely any at all, is traced, logged, and confirmed through specialized hardware long before it ever hits a Tier 1 request. So whatever weird shit you're into, the government knew about it before you fully formed the thought in the first place.
There are ways around this "man in the middle" weakness.
sometimes the best hiding place
is right out in the open.
Yeap, SELinux is designed by the NSA. But guess what, nobody forces you to use Fedora or RedHat. There are plenty of Linux distributions without SELinux enabled. Btw, have you had a look at the SELinux source code? So, in case you are that paranoid, please have a look at it.
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/security/selinux
Big Mother is watching you.
Anything you say can and will be used against you.
When ZH starts using FB as its comments engine, I'm getting the fuck out of here.
NOTICE to Corporations & Governments Worldwide:
All Corporations and governments that read my communications retroactively owe me $1k per letter downloaded and read. Full payment is due upon download. 28% interest per day is attached to all overdue accounts, and all payments are due in full upon receipt of this notice.
NOTE: I reserve the right to bankrupt any, and all, organizations that do not adhere to these dictates.
signed, MASTER OF UNIVERSE
While what you wrote was sarcasm, the fact is this is one way to gum up their system of tyranny.
At some future date, all so inclined should file claims and suits to exactly what you sarcastically suggest.
Micro$oft may have some tricky legal access to our data, but the government does not, and even has a contractual prohibition to having it as well--the Constitution.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission.
Guillotines only collect heads.