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Amid Escalating Violence In Turkey, Erdogan Says Putin Ready To "Give Up On Assad"
Last week, it became abundantly clear that Turkey’s newfound zeal for accelerating the demise of Islamic State is motivated chiefly by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s desire to nullify a ballot box victory by the pro-Kurdish HDP, which grabbed 13% of the vote and won party representation last month in an election that also saw AKP lose its absolute majority for the first time in over a decade.
Now, Erdogan looks set to call for new elections as "efforts" to build a coalition government have largely failed. As WSJ noted last week, Erdogan needs but a two percentage-point swing to restore AKP’s absolute majority, which would in turn make "concessions demanded by its potential coalition partners on press freedom, corruption prosecutions and foreign policy unnecessary." It would also "allow Erdogan to proceed with controversial plans to turn Turkey into a presidential republic and solidify his personal power."
The first step here is obviously to undermine the coalition building process and indeed, Erdogan has now been accused of doing exactly that. Here’s Reuters:
Turkey's main opposition leader has accused President Tayyip Erdogan of blocking efforts to form a coalition government and warned him against taking the country to new elections through "blood politics" by reopening conflict with Kurdish militants. "I say this with all sincerity: Prime Minister (Ahmet) Davutoglu really is willing to sit down and form a coalition and save the country from its problems," CHP leader Kemal Kilicdaroglu told Haberturk TV late on Sunday.
"But the person sitting in the post of presidency is not allowing it," he told the Turkish broadcaster in an interview.
Erdogan's opponents accuse him of launching military action against the PKK to rally nationalist support and undermine the pro-Kurdish opposition, whose strong showing in the June election helped deprive the AKP of its majority.
The government says the campaign against the PKK, which has left a peace process on the brink of collapse, was launched in response to a series of killings of military and police officers blamed on the Kurdish militants.
Indeed it was launched "in response to a series of killings", but what’s left out here is that those killings were themselves a response to a suicide bombing in Suruc that killed 32 people. That incident was pinned on ISIS sympathizers. The issue is that the PKK (and they aren’t alone) suspects Ankara itself of being an ISIS sympathizer, which makes the entire series of events leading up to the current outbreak of violence look remarkably convenient for Erdogan.
That is, Erdogan may have known that given YPG's fight with ISIS and given the PKK's suspicions regarding Ankara's connections with Islamic State, all it would take is one ISIS-linked suicide attack to set off a chain of events that would culminate in NATO backing a renewed Turkish offensive against the Kurds, which would in turn help Erdogan undermine HDP's popularity ahead of new elections.
And that is exactly how things have played out. Turkey is essentially using a mock campaign against Islamic State to justify a renewed conflict with the PKK which Ankara will promptly cite as evidence of why voters should not back HDP when elections are held again in a few months.
Predictably, reports of PKK "terror" attacks have begun. On Sunday, the PKK was blamed for a suicide bombing that killed three Turkish soldiers. BBC has more:
Two Turkish soldiers have been killed and 31 wounded in a suicide attack by Kurdish PKK militants, the Turkish military says.
A tractor laden with explosives was driven at a military police station, a statement said. The attack happened early on Sunday near the town of Dogubayezit in Agri province, near the border with Iran.
Since 24 July, Turkey has carried out hundreds of air raids on PKK bases on both sides of the Iraq-Turkey border.
A Turkish state news agency, Anadolu, said the tractor was carrying two tons of explosives that were detonated by a suicide bomber.
Turkey's army said in a statement that "long-range guns" were also found. Four of the injured were in a serious condition.
And the Erdogan regime is stepping up the anti-HDP rhetoric as the violence esclates. "HDP deserves to be shut down 1,000 times," Burhan Kuzu, an Erdogan adviser told Haberturk on Monday. "A chance to form a one-piece government has to be given to the people again," he added, noting that he is "allergic to coalitions."
Finally, in case anyone had forgotten why Turkey is suspected of cooperating with ISIS in the first place, and hence why Ankara will seek to limit the damage the militant group incurs during the supposed "offensive", here's AFP with a reminder:
Russian President Vladimir Putin is having a change of heart on the Kremlin's wholehearted support for Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad and may "give up on him" in the future, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying Monday.
When asked if Putin could be persuaded not to support Assad, Erdogan said he saw his counterpart as "more positive" during a face-to-face meeting in the Azerbaijani capital of Baku in June and in subsequent telephone talks.
"Putin's current attitude toward Syria is more encouraging than before," Erdogan told a group of journalists on his presidential jet as he returned from a trip to Asia.
"He is no longer of the opinion that Russia will support Assad to the end. I believe he can give up Assad," he was quoted as saying by the Daily Sabah and Sabah dailies.
Turkey and Russia stand on opposing sides over the crisis in Syria, with Ankara one of the fiercest critics of Assad.
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Assad or Syria?
Both.
And what is this about whole hearted support? Putin has watched Syria be destroyed. Putin has refused to honor the contract to sell Syria missiles (just as he has with Iran).
Syria is just another in a long line of countries who thought they were allies with russia only to find they never were.
Iran will be no different.
And if President Putin did step in all amerikans, including many here that claim they're against destroying Syria and the ME, would demand the destruction of evil Russia.
The president of Russia has one major goal,,, the safety and preservation of Russia, not the world the u.f.s.a is destroying piece by piece. He has done a great job of throwing in road blocks and slowing the destruction but is not yet ready to face off with pure evil as yet.
If Putin's "really" ready to give up on Assad, you can bet he's already got a deal with Greece.
I think he already has what he needs in Cyprus and has perhaps dealt away Assad to Turkey in return for something additional. Straight gain to Russia since Syria is a losing hand anyhow, might as well sell them out while they can still get something back on their soon-to-be-liquidated asset.
A false-flag terror event which is really state-sponsored terror?
You've got to be shitting me!
And since when does a western puppet like Erdogan speak for Putin?
a real leader http://i.imgur.com/l1tNCZZ.jpg
The WSJ has the straight dope on Putin's intentions? Give me a break.
Putin will give up on Assad (and Syria) and open up Iran's flank? What is this guy smoking?
I have to say, all of the "Putin plays chess" shit that I really bought into is now coming into question in my opinion. First he fails to bring Greece into the BRICS realm of influence, leaving it to look like he was somehow handled by Germany. Now he is backing away from Syria - a country which he said he would defend.
Whether it's "Assad or Syria" doesn't really matter. After seemingly abandoning Tsipras and Assad, what "leader" in their right mind would move to Putin's side? He's supposed to be a bad ass, but more and more he's looking like the west's bitch. This is painful to watch. Toughen the fuck up Putin.
First the Kaiser and then Hitler failed to prevent Germany being drawn into a war with America. A reason for Nato to kick the shit out ouf Russia is clearly what the ZOG wants,
Besides, Putin is playing a chess game he inherited where the ZOG had already stripped Russia of the Warsaw pact and all its provinces. This is like jumping into a chess game with your rooks and knights already missing.
You are saying Russia is very, very, very weak.
Chess is a game where, in order to win, you must have a mindset that is prepared to strategically relinquish any and nearly all peices if it will gain you mastery of your opponent and win the game.
Putin, like many world leaders, is playing multi-dimensional chess; a game of such complexity and global consequence that most of us mere spectators have no idea about and thus will easily misjudge a "master" players moves.
And let's not forget that Putin is also a black belt martial artist and many of his moves reflect the "judo" fighting philosphy.
terabel the hottie joo always gets eviscerated by the neocon downvote crew.
Why does this happen on a neocon phishing website? Friendly fire I guess.....
not ready, because he did not extracted enough wealth from his fellow citizens completely denying them the oil income. He is fighting major superpower in decline instead quitely wait as chineese do to get rich first by trading with them then fighting them later when more ready and more powerful
Putin is more concerned about the BRICS bank right now.
It should be online by year end.
That's the real threat to the west.
this is an interesting anti-Putin propaganda tactic.
The only problem is the assumption Russia could engage the US/NATO in Syria AND Ukraine and deal with the additional sanctions.
Putin has done what he can but Russia is looking out for Russia first.
Some tit for tat as to eastern ukraine and/or crimea and Syria might be contemplated - what's Russia going to do - go to the mat over a takfiri-infested Syria?
Iran is likely a different story - it can be rearmed and supported much more easily and is along russias southern belly and a valuable ally against US/Israeli sponsored terrorists.
In fact, Putin has tried to placate western aggression by withholding - officially - certain defensive missiles, but in fact, with the agreement, Russia IS providing Iran with upgraded s300 missiles. Syria's problem hasnt been one where anti-air missiles would help.
Russia basically arranged to stop a USinvasion by outfoxing kerry. he also worked hard to discredit the bullshit gas attack stuff that was to be the "redline" pretext for another Libya. I *thought* after the nuke deal Russia said that certain systems like he s400 would be delivered but I'm not sure and too lazy to look it up [feel free to correct me].
What's amazing is the way in which defensive, anti-air systems have been spun as aggressive when Iran or Syria has them.
How dare those Muslims try to defend themselves!!!
I think you're trying to find a cute new way to malign Putin, which is fine, but your theory seems to neglect limited Russian options against a multifactorial US/NATO threat.
Oh how the story changes. Before the Putin fan club claimed Putin would never let Syria fall, he would stand and fight, THIS is his red line. Do not poke the mighty bear.
Now, they say Syria is worthless so why fight for it. It is master chess playing to betray Syria. That Russia is too weak to fight for Syria. And of course they now are saying the same BS about Iran being the red line.
Summary, even Putin's fans agree that he will betray any "friend" if offered something of value. That Russia is too weak to even defend Syria. That Putin has done all that Russia is capable of in Syria (what does that tell you?).
Remember: Putin has NOT delivered an S 300 missiles to Syria or Iran. Syria is bombed from the air while Russia watches and S 300 missiles would have been a huge help to Syria. (Unless the missiles are not as modern and people think.)
Someone mentined Cyprus. Putin has nothing in Cyprus. He is allowed to dock a few ships at a commercial port, that is all.
The new motto, that I did not coin:
With Friends Like Putin/Russia Who Needs Enemies?!!!
If Putin gives up on Assad, then he can say goodbye to the naval base at Tartus. That would be a bad trade-off.
Russian media report that the US and Russia disagree over Syria. Russia has pointed out that most of the so-called 'moderates' the US was training were actually extremists.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
Regarding the S-300s, Russia has not committed to a date up to now because of sanctions imposed against iran by the US. Russia is working on an updated S-300 system to suit Iranian specifications.
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/www.e-news.su/news/68834-kozhin-...
That is a poorly made up excuse for not abiding by a fully signed contract. The contract predates the sanctions - and Putin/Russia gave consent for the sanctions against Iran. In fact Irans leader stated that Russia was making itself the enemy of Iran.
Iran even sued Russia in international court, but the court wanted to avoid the issue and shelved the lawsuit.
The missiles should have been in Syria and Iran many many years ago.
Still maintaining the fiction that you know all the qualifications and clauses of the supposed contract.
You don't even know if the purported contract ever existed or was signed by the parties to it, OR WHETHER IT ONLY EXISTED IN THE MSM TO MAKE IDIOTS LIKE YOU NERVOUS.
wait
Was that before the CIA Invented ISIL? Or trained both moderate and murderous rebels?
I'm stumped Stumpy that Obama hasn't nuked Syria and all its citizens.
Putin stopped the attack on Syria. Assads position has strengthened, you are dead wrong in all of your assessments.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/06/29/Russia-s-Put...
What is this, high school? Hey, I heard Putin and Assad aren't friends anymore because Assad wouldn't let Putin sit on his handlebars and get a ride home from school, so he had to wait for the bus and it was really hot outside.
More to the point, what did Erdogan give Putin to get a change of heart on Assad.
Must be something very good to sacrifice a bishop.
We will find out, eventually. I understand Stumpy's frustration, but we aren't seeing a tenth of the
wheeler dealering going on.Even those that are involved are on a strictly need to know basis.
Like elephants mating...
I see it as Erdogan trying to corner Putin into taking a position...confirming or denying the assertion. I don't think it will work.
It is Erdogan who is in trouble with Putin, not Assad.
Just a month ago Putin reiterated his full support of Assad.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/06/29/Russia-s-Put...
It is amazing how many ZH'ers believe what appears in the WSJ. The conditioning must run very deep.
Funny how the WSJ avoids mentioning that Russia set up a recent meeting in Riyadh between the head of the Syrian office of home security and the Saudi deputy crown prince.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-brokered-high-level-syria-saudi-ara...
Wishful thinking on the part of Erdogan, Emir of Qatar, Saudi Royalti and US oligarchy, Vlad didn't yeild when he was pressured about Assad even during wildest accusations of chemical attacks and can certainly see through the game, which is becoming increasingly obvious and desperate. I think he realizes they his opponents are running against the clock and they will make inevitable mistakes should he choose to deny what they want so badly, even if that makes them furious and upset, or rather, especially if it makes them furious and upset.
Apparently so.
I mean if Erdogan says so...
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The last sentence tells all - Turkey is a major critic of Assad. This is like asking Hannity what he thinks of Hillary as President -- you already know the answer!
If you haven't heard, somehow, of the Oded Yinon plan - you don't know what the Zionist-Occupied-Government of the United States is doing.
It is most certainly not about Qatari pipelines [though preventing the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline was a bonus]
read up
The Unfolding of Yinon’s “Zionist Plan for the Middle East”: The Crisis in Iraq and the Centrality of the National Interest of Israel
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2014/07/the-unfolding-of-yinons-zionist-plan-fo...
“Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
The Infamous "Oded Yinon Plan". Introduction by Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...
The Jewish Plan For The Middle East and Beyond
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-jewish-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-...
Is the US Waging Israel’s Wars?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/04/25/is-the-us-waging-israel-s-wars/
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...
They need to secure water.They should have already run out from the studies I saw in the 60's.
They knew it was a major issue back then.They live in a reclaimed desert and have heavy ag. water
demand.
Just google up then, and now, photos of the river Jordan, and you will see that they have a
serious problem.Then think in terms of water,not energy per se, and all will become clear..
big part of it, aye. water and gas.
the jews were trying to get Lebanon to the Litani since before ww1.
Some claimed it was part of an ancient jewish kingdom - which was absolutely false - the petty kingdoms of the jews were always quite small, never the regional power the bible claimed {at least every other regional power left a lot of artifacts - the "united kingdom" - almost nothing}
but water [and arable land] was a big part.
This will continue.
if it takes having an agent launch a harmless rocket into a field to provide the pretext to bomb and invade and kill thousands, that is what the Jews will do, and they can rely on a hevily Jewish press in the US and UK to tow the line...
of course, while most media might be owned by non-jews, in a country that is 97.5% non jewish - you dont see anyone covering the jewish settler crimes much or the occupation much or israeli spying because of Jewish Power and Privilege.
That privilege cotinues to rob this country of blood, treasure, and a full and fair understanding of the I/P conflict.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
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OT fromt he Saker
France’s CRIF-run {Jewish Lobby} regime has unleashed a vicious persecutions campaign against dissidents
http://thesaker.is/frances-crif-run-regime-has-unleashed-a-vicious-perse...
Erdogan has any credibility on Syria? He is at war with Syria. Not that he has any credibility on any other topic.
Turkey Expands Military Campaign in Syria and IraqGlobal Research, August 02, 2015
http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkey-expands-military-campaign-in-syria-a...
Erdogan almost makes the Latvian potato troll newsoutlet seem credible in comparison.
Almost.
Just a way to divert attention. Pay no attention to the "good" guys, the "bad" guys are over there.
that's the problem,,, no one can figure out who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. Good guy one day,,, bad the next! Everyone is fighting everyone and no one is sure why. It's a big cluster Fk.
Someone might want to ask President Putin his take on this....
I'll believe it when I see it. "All war is based on deception." Tsu
Kurds 1,Tukey 0
At some point Russia and China are going to have to stand and face the bullys and give them a huge bully beat down...One they won't forget. If not here, then it going to come at some point soon - cause Bully USA doesn't stop
The USA will support ISIS to kill Assad and his WHITE British Christian wife and kids.
After all Doctors are evil people and Assad is a doctor who is only trying to protect his country from terrorists.
The real terrorists are the USA/Israel.
After Assad is gone, the USA will look the other way while ISIS takes over Syria. Then the next goal is for ISIS to go into Iran where the USA will say ''we have to fight ISIS in Iran''.
The propaganda coverage will end after Assad, just like Libya. Other's in that region should be nervous, because this to-do list doesn't end there.
WHY NO STORIES ABOUT THE BRICS BANK.
SHOULD PROVIDE SOME COMPETITION TO THE CABAL.
Probably because Brazil, Russia, China and South Africa are all in financial trouble and India is barely treading water. Any project they finance will be a flashy show piece that ultimately benefits the financing entites far more than it helps the alleged beneficiaries.
You'd think nothing else after being brainwashed by Zero Hedge articles.
ra ra western cabal ra ra usa!
I like living in the USA.
I like reading ZH, as well as many other sources to see what all the political salesmen everywhere are selling.
And I like having my own opinion not subject to the social pressure of others. Judging by this thread, it is not I that is singing in the ZH chorus, but you.
and I suppose the usa is a shining star of financial stability and promoter of the free market! okayyyyyy
We need a photo of Michael Obama holding a sign #BringBackOurWars
here's something to consider: When Assad is gone, the fighting will continue for years, with the US, Saudis, Turks, Israelis, and others arming and funding terrorists. To the extent Iran helps the Alawites defend themselves {as they have helped the Shia Lebanese, who are far less "terrorist" than the Jewish State that periodically bombs and invades Lebanon} such action will be described as supporting "terror" - just as alleged Russian support for NovoRussians, which would not even be as morally questionable as US and US proxy action, is sanctioned - while Israel gets diplomatic cover and billions of dollars from Uncle Sugar.
What's the end game?
As noted above - for the Likudniks/neocons it is Greater Israel per the Oded Yinon plan. I think their role and influence in the U.S. is difficult to overstate. But they aren't the only militarists and hyperinterventionists - from the R2P neoliberal hypocrite idiots, to the Militant "Realists" like Zbig who are really nothing more than megalomaniacs.
And then there are the private central bankers... a group which overlaps with the Zionists and the other/Anglo militarists.
This is a fuzzy description, and I'm not holding it out as perfect, but it's a rough sketch. The Saker refers to the Anglo Zionist Empire - and that might be about as good/accurate as we can be.
I don't think there's only one "ISIS" either. I think its become a combination golem and Emmanuel Goldstein for agencies from different governments.
Does anyone think the Israelis aren't involved in Syria in a way that doesn't perfectly line up with Turkey?
Does anyone think Nuland was distributing carbohydrates to street nazis while managing to arrange the installation of a wildly disproportionately Jewish Kiev leadership because she's got the same goal as Zbigniew?
That's the problem with talking about the NWO or even the ZOG or MIC - **who** are we talking about?
I think we could add to this militarist think tanks - mostly Zionist in Washington - which may well act on their own. McCain worked with terrorists in Syria and remains unprosecuted. It seems that several Jewish neocons from pnac may have, with or without Agency help, worked with terrorists in Chechnya -some of whom have ended up in Ukraine.
ISIS et al are often painted as "Muslim extremists" and no doubt some are {with 1.2 billion muslims, many from countries the us or israel have killed thousands or tens of housands of people in, this is no surprise} but they are better thought of as PAID MERCS - proxies.
Turkey and Saudi are involved for their own selfish - government-centric reasons. a large chunk of both populations would LOVE to rebel.
But what we largely have is a disproportionately Jewish, but not entirely, "Anglo-Zionist Banking and Warfare Empire."
Let's assume that there are a 300 most important individuals - largely behind the scenes, but also "thought leaders" - media moguls, think tank leaders, oligarchs, billionaires.
Well, it seems to me that as long as these people are fat, and happy, and feel safe in their beds - hundreds of thousands of our fellow human beings will be killed and maimed for absolutely nothing but their greed and megalomania.
Just sayin'.
So if I buy into your whole Jewish/Anglo NWO theory where does BAthHouse Barry fit in?
He's certainly no friend of Israel, or the military for that matter.
I think personally he's just a cosmic fuck up who is going to leave the ME into a bigger smouldering mess than it already was, and walk away into the sunset.
I think most government entities are peopled with such idiots, an all knowing sinister master mind behind the whole thing is absurd, people being the selfish, short sighted morons most are.
Sorry I don't buy it.
Of course Barry's a puppet of Wallstreet and the banks. Why do you think they gave him double the contributions they gave McCain in 2008? Barry went on a publicized trip to Israel to bow down to Netanyahu in order to be annointed the next public relations speaker, I mean president, of the ZOG here in the US.
He has all the qualificatiosn that Bill and Hitlery have too: greed,no morals, wilfillness to sell out their country...etc. And better yet, who would suspect a half black youth from Hawaii with a Muslim stepfather of being a banker/CIA stooge? Of course his dad and step dad both came from third world countries on the same CIA funded scholarships at the University of Hawaii. And his maternal dad, a furniture salesman in Hawaii but former member of Army intelligence, can be seen greeting Obama's dad at a miitary base upon his arrival:
http://www.henrymakow.com/is_obama_a_roosevelt.html
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2012/01/hidden-story-behind-jesse-ventura-piers-morgans-cnn-clash-over-obama-cia-ties.html
Russia has steadfastly backed its long time client state against all comers.
Its clear-eyed assessment that said client state is now likely to fall leads it to undertake several actions:
1) For the maintenance of its Great Power reputation, it must continue to back Syria but will slowly scale back its financial commitment to a losing cause.
2) Russia is casting about for a new client to back in the post-Assad period of struggle for primacy.
3) These two objectives need to be carefully balanced since Assad holds many embarrassing details of the Syria-Russia relationship in his grasp. He and his fellow diehards will be offered financial and personal sanctuary even as Russia selects and starts to back a successor.
Certain people made a big fuss about Ukrainian gold. Let's see where Syria's ends up.
US (run by puppets) to allow Israel to run the middle east. Soon Israel will have all the oil fields.
we had better hope that Israel's dwindling moderates and secular humanists do something to stop Likud and Shas et al.
Clearly, the ZOG is going to continue in power and to continue bombing and killing throughout the world because no force will oppose them here.
Sooner or later, however, most of the consequences engendered by the "Jewish" State are going to be of the unintended kind.
Does it make any difference to the end user which one of these alleged competitive interests collects the payment for its arrival in the gas tank?
What's Erdogan's problem? Why isn't he rigging the elections? Has Latin America taught the world nothing?
You mean the USSA don't you ? They just have revolutions and coups in South American, North Americans don't have that much energy.
Putin giving up on Assad = realization of Turkish Stream.
If the transmission on your car is starting to go bad, you sell it, trade it in, or fix it.
Putin has apparently given up on fixing his '59 Damascoid Special Deluxe Coupe.
Plus Erdogan can live his wet dream of restoring the Ottoman Empire. Chaos in Syria will continue in order to block gas from Qatar flowing to Europe. Iran can also enter the energy market but will need to keep Turkey happy in order to allow flow of Iranian oil. Everybody -including Europe- will need to keep Turkey happy. But they can also find themselves with increased interest of the US and her abc agencies.
Exiting times ahead! </sarc>
"Putin giving up on Assad = realization of Turkish Stream."
Yes, Turks will collect fees from both, the Turkish (Russian) Stream and "Gulf (Qatari) Stream"
Here's another aproach. Ukraine will collapse and be brought back into the Russian sphere of influence before 2015 is out. No more need for pipelines to bypass Ukraine. Turk Stream with the uncooperative Erdogan will be moot. Russia can deal more decisively with Turkey for past crimes like helping to burn down Chechnya.
Nine Armed U.S. Soldiers Detained En Route To Ukraine
http://warmonitor.net/news/2015/07/30/nine-armed-u-s-soldiers-detained-e...
Who will sanction the US for deploying aggressive military forces nowhere near its shores?
Oh yeah - no one.
Others like Erdogan can say what they want to fit their own narrative, but Russia will only back away from Syria very carefully so as not to lower the value of it's word to other suitor nations. That much you can count on. But I don't care anymore. I only want to take a nap on the beach.
If Putin really is preparing to give up on Assad, perhaps Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov's visit to Qatar today for a gas-gas-gas has something to do with it.
The western press never tells the truth.
Erdogan has been cornered.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-brokered-high-level-syria-saudi-ara...
One of the reasons I check out ZH is because of links like that, interesting other side take on a relentless propaganda war.
hey Nubian, check this out. The Chesed Gomel cemetary incident:
Andras Szekely, a former IDF soldier, overhead Israelis talking about carrying out plans for planes to hit the towers months before 911. The FBI questioned him, but refuses to release their file
http://911blogger.com/news/2007-04-04/follow-%E2%80%9Cprior-knowledge-911-attacks-overheard-hebrew%E2%80%9D-story-fbi-looks-documents-where-they-cannot-be-found
.
Explosive found at the WTC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUwmBsvrTQg
Want easy physics proof that the WTC were destroyed by bombs? This video at 1:17 shows the center of the WTC 1 rubble pile to be at street level. A few scraggily walls bend outward. Where is the concrete of the 15 by 20 foot mast of reinforced concrete that was 1200 feet tall. Both towers had them, a first in high rise design, to dampen swaying, and had more concrete than the floors. The Sears towers has it. All buildings over 1000 feet have incorporated an internal mast design too located directly in the center of the footprint and extending upwards throughout the height of the building. Where did all this concrete go as it was directly over the center of the foot print of WTC 1 and 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPJUP-Ry7d0
A pancake or gravity collapse has a rubble pile shaped like a hill, about 1 foot per floor high. WTC 7 had a 40 foot deep basement and a 60 foot high rubble pile at the center, while the towers had a 60 foot basement but were nearly twice as tall as WTC 7 yet the center of their rubble pile is at street level. The only explanation for the bowl shaped or crater shaped rubble pile of the towers is because they were exploded from the inside. WTC 7 was imploded normally by the criminals and not blasted outward. The towers were exploded outward to prevent damage and the risk of flooding to the 16 acre 'concrete bathtub' and because cleanup of asbestos rubble was problematic and would have taken months. So the towers were turned to dust.
And if you go back to the 1993 WTC bombing, you can see that the bomb was built by the FBI informant Emad Salem. The FBI knew of the bomb because their man had built it. They let it go off apparently to trigger an Iraqi war in 1993, but Emad's tapes were turned over to the defense attourneys. The judge released only 2 of them as transcripts but the audio version of one of them was leaked out:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtcbomb.html
look at 5:19 especially
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Y4Qaap6SM
Proof? Who needs proof when we have 24/7 news channels telling us all we need to know?
Putin's body language in the presence of the Saudi Crown Prince in contrast with this ...
Very interesting. Thanks
Here is new leaked information from Russian newspapers (but I am not sure, if it is true, there are already too much rumours around). But it is in total contrast with what Erdogan says.
The Russian president Vladimir Putin broke the accepted diplomatic protocols and has personally summoned the Turkish ambassador to Moscow. The Russian president purportedly went into a long diatribe criticizing the Turkish foreign policy and its malevolent role in Syria, Iraq and Yemen by supporting terrorists, which escalated the conversation with the Turkish ambassador to a fierce polemic. Russian president allegedly said to the Turkish ambassador: "Tell your dictator President he can go to hell along with his ISIS terrorists, I will make Syria a 'Big Stalingrad' for him!"
If you think this outburst would be uncharacteristic for Putin, you are wrong. He is famous for his very sharp outbursts (especially in connection with radical islamists, but on other occasions as well), once he got furious and threatened a stupid French journalist to have him castrated, if he intends to defend radical muslims:-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftTeIVFqZ-g
And even if this information is not true, interestingly, the talks about the Turkish stream were suspended. And it is already clear that Erdogan lied and that Russia does not intend to stop their weapons supply to Assad.
Erdogan is a looting lying POS ZMS (Zionist Mullah Stooge) nothing but a2 bit criminal dictator, he'll be fragged by his own jihadists soon enough
Whatever happens, the average Turk is pretty punked by his decision as they bear the brunt of all this blowback.
there will be the elections, mate, will see if avg trk is punked or not very soon
First of all, I never knew Russia was helping Syria or Assad. Looks to me like the entire country was destroyed to pieces by the USA ISIS guys. But if he did "give up" Assad then would oil skyrocket? I still believe that the oil crash is to bankrupt Russia.
http://tarpley.net/
if the "leader" has troubles in the country, he invents the enemy abroad.
See Ukraine. See the same in Turkey and a wet dream of fascist islamist in power.
Russian President Vladimir Putin is having a change of heart on the Kremlin's wholehearted support for Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad and may "give up on him" in the future, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying Monday.
Maybe Putin is doing all he can for Assad short of WWIII.
Russia has a long plan
It is called the "End Game"
Do not let current circumstances fool you.
The short term goals are in flux,
never leaving site of the end game.
USA tries to block that of course.
So perhaps Putin is looking 3-4 moves ahead, eh?
This is a stupid anti-Russia propaganda from Erdogan.
But Sergey Lavrov said today: "This statement is absolutely false, Russia's stance on Syria remains unchanged. We will keep providing military-technical assistance to the Syrian government." It ís obvious that Russia is not willing to get involved militarily (as this could be another Aghanistan like for USSR), but they will do anything to make it cost Turkey a lot by providing modern weapons to Assad.
Also, interestingly, since the USA convinced Turkey to help, Russia now seems to be trying to convince Saudis and Quatar to get on their side, but this could be too difficult to achieve. We shall see.
However, it is not true that Putin is "doing nothing". I think he is doing all he can without hurting Russia too much. You must remember, what he is really fighting against! Russia does not have a magical printing press (and they do not want one), but this means they cannot just print money to finance any war anywhere, they simply have to do with what they have like in the old times, which is a huge disadvantage in the short term. And Putin also cares about his own country unlike the USA politicians, so he will always tread much more carefully than the USA neocons, he will not just send his precious soldiers to die in lost wars. He even said this openly: "We will try to refrain from letting ourselves be dragged militarily into any global conflicts, if possible. We remember Afghanistan and what it did to USSR. We will try to find other ways."
Everybody has to make a guess.
Who released these tapes before Turkey's election March 30, 2014?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-02-24/erdogan-resignation-de...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/25/leaked-tapes-calls-erdogan-...
Okay, so who put these tapes on the internet? You have 2 choices: The CIA or the FSB.
( Mossad counts as the CIA)
In addition to putting "False Flag" fron and center in the American vocabulary, the Negro wants America to return to being the "False Friend" of some nations.
Erdogan latest
Wow. Do you people actually believe all the propaganda coming out of the Wall Street Journal? It is nothing but an Israeli mouthpiece.