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Jimmy Carter Rages At What The U.S. Has Become: "Just An Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery"
Submitted by Eric Zeusse,
On July 28th, Thom Hartmann interviewed former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, and, at the very end of his show (as if this massive question were merely an aftethought), asked him his opinion of the 2010 Citizens United decision and the 2014McCutcheon decision, both decisions by the five Republican judges on the U.S. Supreme Court. These two historic decisions enable unlimited secret money (including foreign money) now to pour into U.S. political and judicial campaigns. Carter answered:
“It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for President or being elected President. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. Senators and congress members. So, now we’ve just seen a subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect, and sometimes get, favors for themselves after the election is over. …
At the present time the incumbents, Democrats and Republicans, look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves. Somebody that is already in Congress has a great deal more to sell.”
He was then cut off by the program, though that statement by Carter should have been the start of the program, not its end. (And the program didn’t end with an invitation for him to return to discuss this crucial matter in depth — something for which he’s qualified.)
So: was this former President’s provocative allegation merely his opinion? Or was it actually lots more than that? It was lotsmore than that.
Only a single empirical study has actually been done in the social sciences regarding whether the historical record shows that the United States has been, during the survey’s period, which in that case was between 1981 and 2002, a democracy (a nation whose leaders represent the public-at-large), or instead an aristocracy (or ‘oligarchy’) — a nation in which only the desires of the richest citizens end up being reflected in governmental actions. This study was titled “Testing Theories of American Politics,” and it was published by Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page in the journal Perspectives on Politics, issued by the American Political Science Association in September 2014. I had summarized it earlier, on 14 April 2014, while the article was still awaiting its publication.
The headline of my summary-article was “U.S. Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy Says Scientific Study.” I reported: "The clear finding is that the U.S. is an oligarchy, no democratic country, at all. American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's 'news' media).” I then quoted the authors’ own summary: “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.”
The scientific study closed by saying: “In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes.” A few other tolerably clear sentences managed to make their ways into this well-researched, but, sadly, atrociously written, paper, such as: “The preferences of economic elites (as measured by our proxy, the preferences of ‘affluent’ citizens) have far more independent impact upon policy change than the preferences of average citizens do.” In other words, they found: The rich rule the U.S.
Their study investigated specifically “1,779 instances between 1981 and 2002 in which a national survey of the general public asked a favor/oppose question about a proposed policy change,” and then the policy-follow-ups, of whether or not the polled public preferences had been turned into polices, or, alternatively, whether the relevant corporate-lobbied positions had instead become public policy on the given matter, irrespective of what the public had wanted concerning it.
The study period, 1981-2002, covered the wake of the landmark 1976 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Buckley v. Valeo, which had started the aristocratic assault on American democracy, and which seminal (and bipartisan) pro-aristocratic court decision is described as follows by wikipedia: It “struck down on First Amendment grounds several provisions in the 1974 Amendments to the Federal Election Campaign Act. The most prominent portions of the case struck down limits on spending in campaigns, but upheld the provision limiting the size of individual contributions to campaigns. The Court also narrowed, and then upheld, the Act's disclosure provisions, and struck down (on separation of powers grounds) the make-up of the Federal Election Commission, which as written allowed Congress to directly appoint members of the Commission, an executive agency.”
Basically, the Buckley decision, and subsequent (increasingly partisan Republican) Supreme Court decisions, have allowed aristocrats to buy and control politicians.
Already, the major ‘news’ media were owned and controlled by the aristocracy, and ‘freedom of the press’ was really just freedom of aristocrats to control the ‘news’ — to frame public issues in the ways the owners want. The media managers who are appointed by those owners select, in turn, the editors who, in their turn, hire only reporters who produce the propaganda that’s within the acceptable range for the owners, to be ‘the news’ as the public comes to know it.
But, now, in the post-Buckley-v.-Valeo world, from Reagan on (and the resulting study-period of 1981-2002), aristocrats became almost totally free to buy also the political candidates they wanted. The ‘right’ candidates, plus the ‘right’ ‘news’-reporting about them, has thus bought the ‘right’ people to ‘represent’ the public, in the new American ‘democracy,’ which Jimmy Carter now aptly calls “subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors.”
Carter — who had entered office in 1976, at the very start of that entire era of transition into an aristocratically controlled United States (and he left office in 1981, just as the study-period was starting) — expressed his opinion that, in the wake now of the two most extreme pro-aristocratic U.S. Supreme Court decisions ever (which are Citizens United in 2010, andMcCutcheon in 2014), American democracy is really only past tense, not present tense at all — no longer a reality.
He is saying, in effect, that, no matter how much the U.S. was a dictatorship by the rich during 1981-2002 (the Gilens-Page study era), it’s far worse now.
Apparently, Carter is correct: The New York Times front page on Sunday 2 August 2015 bannered, "Small Pool of Rich Donors Dominates Election Giving,” and reported that:
"A New York Times analysis of Federal Election Commission reports and Internal Revenue Service records shows that the fund-raising arms race has made most of the presidential hopefuls deeply dependent on a small pool of the richest Americans. The concentration of donors is greatest on the Republican side, according to the Times analysis, where consultants and lawyers have pushed more aggressively to exploit the looser fund-raising rules that have fueled the rise of super PACs. Just 130 or so families and their businesses provided more than half the money raised through June by Republican candidates and their super PACs.”
The Times study shows that the Republican Party is overwhelmingly advantaged by the recent unleashing of big-corporate money power. All of the evidence suggests that though different aristocrats compete against each other for the biggest chunks of whatever the given nation has to offer, they all compete on the same side against the public, in order to lower the wages of their workers, and to lower the standards for consumers’ safety and welfare so as to increase their own profits (transfer their costs and investment-losses onto others); and, so, now, the U.S. is soaring again toward Gilded Age economic inequality, perhaps to surpass the earlier era of unrestrained robber barons. And, the Times study shows: even in the Democratic Party, the mega-donations are going to only the most conservative (pro-corporate, anti-public) Democrats. Grass-roots politics could be vestigial, or even dead, in the new America.
The question has become whether the unrestrained power of the aristocracy is locked in this time even more permanently than it was in that earlier era. Or: will there be yet another FDR (Franklin Delano Roosevelt) to restore a democracy that once was? Or: is a President like that any longer even possible in America?
As for today’s political incumbents: they now have their careers for as long as they want and are willing to do the biddings of their masters. And, then, they retire to become, themselves, new members of the aristocracy, such as the Clintons have done, and such as the Obamas will do. (Of course, the Bushes have been aristocrats since early in the last century.)
Furthermore, the new age of aristocratic control is not merely national but international in scope; so, the global aristocracy have probably found the formula that will keep them in control until they destroy the entire world. What’s especially interesting is that, with all of the many tax-exempt, ‘non-profit’ ‘charities,’ which aristocrats have established, none of them is warring to defeat the aristocracy itself — to defeat the aristocrats’ system of exploitation of the public. It’s the one thing they won’t create a ‘charity’ for; none of them will go to war against the expoitative interests of themselves and of their own exploitative peers. They’re all in this together, even though they do compete amongst themselves for dominance, as to which ones of them will lead against the public. And the public seem to accept this modern form of debt-bondage, perhaps because of the ‘news’ they see, and because of the news they don’t see (such as this).
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lol "Sometimes get favors" way to sugar coat it Jimmy
Thank God there is finally a real adult in the room, speaking truth to power. When all is dark and hope is nearly gone, you send in James Earl Carter. And the people cheer "Thank, God! Jimmy Carter is finally back! We're like...... saved...... or something."
will there be yet another FDR (Franklin Delano Roosevelt) to restore a democracy that once was?
Huh?
Read what the founding fathers wrote. Most of them were very well read and knew much more about government than the average person does today. Their predictions and what they tried to protect this country from have become reality.
Yep they were and still some were tricked. What a timeline to be apart of. Just think no tech anywhere.
Carter's right. So what do we do now?
Make fun of him?
I have no problem with money being in politics, so long as money itself is never corrupted. We live in a world of money that is corrupted by centralized control, and then we ask those same people with central control not to print more.. it's a conflict of interest.
well the supreme court thinks corporations who live forever, are people. so what did any one expect? on a side note, the supreme court is made up of compromised shills for whatever party granted them royalty statius not quite what the founders intended i would think.
and Unions, don't forget Unions.
I love these moments when a statist POS goes off their meds and starts jabbering about what he and his ilk have been up to and make it sound like none of it was his fault...
RIH!
He's pushing his book, of course. But he always did at least project an image of being in the government but not of it. After Nixon, people wanted the anti-Nixon, reverend Jimmy.
Jimmy has correctly identified the problem but as usual he does not accurately see the cause and would likely not agree with the best solution.
The Rules are the problem. In the past 200+ years our elected representatives have changed the Peoples House into an institution run by oligarchs. We no longer have equal representation in Congress. If your Congressman or Senator is not a member of the "leadership team" they vote the way they are told to by the "leadership team" or they are attacked and ostracized by their “Superiors”. It is the rules which give the leadership team this leverage and power. The only possible hope to end this situation is for the People to bring suit and have the court force Congress to restore equal representation. Checks and balances and the separation of powers were designed for just this sort of situation. Yes the Constitution provides that each branch of the Federal Government has sole authority to establish their own operating rules but We the People are injured parties, having lost equal representation and we have standing to bring suit against Congress to have the court declare that our lack of equal representation in Congress is Un-Constitutional and require that Congress re-write the rules to restore our equal representation.
These changes to the rules would make a good start:
1. All elections for leadership or recall of leadership in both houses of congress and in all political party caucuses for all positions must be by secret ballot.
2. All committee assignments must be chosen by lot regardless of seniority.
3. All committee leadership must be chosen by lot regardless of seniority. Committee Chairman will serve at the pleasure of the committee membership. Leadership may be removed with more than 50% of its members voting no confidence. If committee leadership is removed by the members the new leader must be chosen by lot regardless of seniority.
4. There will be no consideration of Seniority for any purpose in the operation of either house of Congress. All members are considered and treated equal by the operating rules of both houses.
I think the local chapter of the progressive butt-buddy club is paying a visit to ZeroHedge today. No doubt this post will also get junked. I take that as a compliment.
Tomorrow's News is out
.....Jimmy Carter was nail gun suicided in his swimming pool.
All this from a man hand picked by David Rockefeller
The Rockefeller Trilateral Commission all but ran the Carter admin and bragged about it on several occasions.
So the old peanut farmer and part-time home handy man finally figured it out ??????
.. at least they named a sub after him.
Stackers and manthing are dead on! Carter was an establishment man...completely and totally, CFR AND Trilateral commission FOUNDER MEMBER...
FFS...
Carter, the Atlanta Establishment, and the National Power Structure Jimmy Carter was a wealthy landowner and agribusiness-man when he launched his political career in the early 1960s. By the time of his 1970 campaign for governor, Carter was personally close to, and supported by, central figures of the Atlanta Establishment-the upper class leadership group which runs that city and which has great influence throughout Georgia and the entire southeastern United States... These and similar connections led, by 1971, to meetings between Carter and both David Rockefeller and Hedley Donovan, then editor-in-chief of Time magazine and now Carter's senior adviser on domestic affairs and media relations. Carter was consequently no stranger to these national leaders when they decided to form the Trilateral Commission in the Spring of 1973. At that time, David Rockefeller, with George S. Franklin Jr., a Rockefeller in-law, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Owen, Robert Bowie, and Gerard C. Smith-the last four, now members of the Carter Administration- selected members for the Commission.Carter dissing the globalists now that he is out of power reminds me of Greenspan talking up gold again now that he is also out of power.
Carter's staring at the mirror, now, I think. He's seeing the horror that he was a part of, and is doing his best to make amends (on Earth) for his part in this everfucking fuckshow.
People like to state that Carter was the 'worst president ever' (before Barry Soetoro), but they speak in IGNORANCE. ACTUALLY, Gerald Ford holds this title (that unelected, especially selected FUCKWAD who served on the WARREN COMMISSION and allowed for the vacuum to be filled by this fucking HOLY ROLLING, NEW-JERUSALEM-MINDFUCKED PEANUT FARMER).
Coming clean before his impending demise is actually probably the ONLY 'honorable' thing this man has done. I'm all out of 'Billy Beer', so I won't drink a toast to him, Mr. Indian. This would like be honoring GREENSPAN because he returns to his ORIGINAL thoughts about GOLD being a 'store of value' (Is THAT fucker DEAD yet? WHY the frack NOT?).
President Comacho is watching, so I'd better shut up now.
Was that a nukeer sub?
THIS TIMES 1000%
THE ROCKEFELLER SOROS CONNECTION IS 100% EFFECTIVE AS LYING TO PEOPLE ABOUT THE 'NETOWRK'.
SO MUCH SO THAT ZERO HEDGE PUBLISHED 'CARTERS' CRITICIM.
INSTEAD OF CONDEMING THE CRITICIAMS IS A HOLLOW HYPOCRISY---ZH ENDORCES IT!
kralizec, your's is the best comment here...Carter was just as free with his "favors" as any president before or since. Even FDR in a personal letter to a close political confidant acknowledged that the "federal political system had been "owned" since the days [after] of Andrew Jackson". Its just that a few more everyday Americans (and other westerners) are finally waking up to the fact that their nation(s) are a "big club",a la George Carlin's preachings, that see as you and I do. Most just take the warnings as a Carlin moment, a humorous line instead of the dire warning given. The same with the BIS nad IMF as the most important main stream banking institutions with the very best inside information giving out warnings that the economic system is in grave danger of implosion....who is paying any attention to them either?
Founders never envisioned 3 jews sitting on the supreme court. They must be rolling in their graves.
Or 1.75% of the population making up 13% of the Senate and roughly 8% of the House.
Jimmy was actually a decent prez, but was proof that the US is IMPOSSIBLE TO GOVERN. The CIA screwed him by creating the hostage situation in Iran. Then the fed raised interest rates to the moon right before the election. In other words, the deep state wanted him out and Reagan in.
In George Washington's day, one man could wrap his head around the job. Now there's 340 million people, a full time opposition party and media strategy, the MIC, and a million fighting special interests. And for some insane reason, they feel that's not enough -- you have to police the whole god dammned world.
We should eliminate the federal gov and go back to independent states, bound only by a free trade agreement and mutual defense treaty. Now that I think of it, this last sentence would make a nice constitutional amendment.
Interesting dichotomy--STOCKHOLDERS CAN OWN PEOPLE (STOCKHOLDERS- CORPORATIONS) BUT THE 13TH AMMENDMENT STRICKLY PROHIBITS ONE PERSON FROM OWNING ANOTHER PERSON. SLAVERY I BELIEVE THEY CALL IT.
OUR SUPREMES HAVE DONE THEIR JOBS AGAIN--RIGHT? right? Milestones
The modern form of slavery is the most insidious as it precludes any contact or contractual obligation of any humain kind. The modern slave has to pay for his own up keep as well as foolishly trying to work off his life long indenture to state and bank as one entity and their corporate entourage that feed at their trough, all supported by the "slaves".
So where and to whom do most of your earnings go to? Peasents with television sets......
Giving value to things that have no value by themselves inherently corrupts. Holding paper or rocks with a high relative value to them trivializes said value. It makes the value itself feel like a lie, because the paper/rock is material and in your hands, while the value and power it represents is not. That means that the simple act of holding or owning currency perverts and corrupts. The world will grow up when that obvious truth will be accepted.
Many cool things are possible with currency, but alas, none are actually necessary.
Land and tradition are necessary, the rest is a problem.
Where dem scissors be at?
Carter is a CFR gatekeeper. Don't get fooled by the kindly old man image(a la uncle Buffet).
Jimmy Buffet?
Fool me once shambers on me, fool me twice, shambers on you.
nosam, yes...a limited hangout if ever there was one!!
Buy stocks?
Keep typing.
"Carter's right. So what do we do now? "
He is arguably a far better option than Hillary or Sanders for Democrats.
NOMINATE HIM.
Republicans would laugh until it became apparent they aren't gonna win Trump/Bush or not...
( ducks )
Most of them were very well read and knew much more about government than the average person does today.
wow, you're really going out on a limb with speculation there.
btw, F you Jimma
Yeah, that's a bunch of bull, I read my Enquirer while sitting on the can watching TMZ on my i-pad.
And he has the temerity to say I'm not well informed!!
" Most of them were very well read and knew much more about government than the average person does today. "
They traded the state supremacy model - The Articles - for a Supra National supremacy model, the constitution.
I agree that they were very well versed in government,,, which is why I suspect they knew it would turn out the way it has. When the very first President violates the constitution by signing the first central bank and sending federal troops to quell a tax revolt - the very thing the war was fought about - you know something is not quite right.
If you read their letters to each other as prophesy rather than warnings the puzzle fits much, much better.
I love Ben Franklin's prescient words: "A republic, if you can keep it, ma'am."
"Ma'am" women didn't get the vote in the so called enlightened west until on average the 1930s but we consider ourselves so advanced???
Whotookmyalias - If the founders could see where we wouldnt surprise them at all. Jefferson didnt think our Republic would last more than 20 years. The brakes they set up worked well. However, all brakes fail like in a car. We probably cant build better brakes until after WW3 where 1/3 of the people die on earth. I am an optimist for our species but the cycles of evolution are what they are.
Success creates excess which attracts predators. Also, those that seek power are generally your sociopathic predators (lots of founder references to wolves) and most unfit to lead.
I had people asked me why I dont be ome a politician my reply is that pissing in the wind and it blowing back on my face is not my cup of tea. Kudos to the Ron Paul types that slowed down our decent into inevitable hell but now there is no stopping the upcoming violence that will teach through pain. A shame our species must learn mostly that way instead of being proactive.
In the 1930s powerful corporations wanted to ditch the republic and install a straightforward fascist regime. FDR deflected all that.
Not sure he exactly restored the republic.
They could not have ditched the republic back then since it deceased under Lincoln.
They might have tried to ditch democracy (a/k/a mob rule) for pure oligarchy, but what they didn't get back then they have made up in the decades after.
MALTESE...NO, Marine General Ret. Smedley Butler foiled the plot by revealing it when apporached and asked to lead the armed part of the insurection. None of the corporate leaders of the coup plot (Dupont and such) ever faced any prosecution. They learned their lesson and performed the same coup operation through total control of the economic situation and through stick and carrot - blackmail - bribery tactics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1cq6KrkHHA
Long "...or something".
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I guess it was perfectly acceptable when only labor unions were able to shuttle big bucks into the candidates' campaigns? If someone was serious about fixing the issue, campaigns would be financed by equal, finite contributions or reimbursements from the government election fund and preclude use of personal fortune and supporter contributions. As long as it's all about who raises the most money, nothing will ever be different.
unions are people too!
Only if they incorporate
Jimmy Carter was clearly dropped on his head as a child. If you are depressive, have self doubt, or question the fairness of God you should feel joy today. Jimmy Carter has been correct for the first time in his life. Someday you will have a moment in the sun. Patience. Remember you deserve it.
Oh well ok then. Should I just sit here with mouth shut and wait?
Jimmy Carter is a Trilateralist Commission, Council of Foreign Relations hypocrite. He did more to establish "Globalism", rather fascist corporatism, in the United States than any President which had preceded him.
He was an advocate of Scientism and covertly supports the abolishment of the Free Republic that used to be America.
This tripe is nothing more that apologist bullshit as the result of those actions which his administration embarked upon has set the United States upon the current Neocon path to Global Oligaeichal Rule.
Don't worry Tom. Hell awaits which is why Jimmy may be scared.
Oh it gets much worse...
How Jimmy Carter's NSA Advisor, and Co-Founder of the Trilateralists, Zbigniew Brzezinski, created Al-Qaeda and Taliban
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA7E6EVXl1A
Brzezinski sits TODAY as a Chairman for the Koch Brothers controlled, RAND Corporation. (That is right Libertarians. You are supporting this, BOTH MORALLY AND FINANCIALLY.)
He is a Trustee for the Center for a New American Security.
He is also a top advisor to President Barack Obama.
Now isn't that interesting that the RAND Corporation, the Koch Brothers. GEORGIA Pacific...(Hmmm...just what State did Jimmy Carter govern before that "Peanut Farmer" was selected as President), and Barack Obama are political bedfellows? Sleeping with the enemy?
Actually it is rather quite embarrassing if you'd ask me.
Yeah...Let's talk about Jimmah. It is rather enlightening after all, isn't it?
To the junkers...Junking my post will not change the truth, or the facts, will it?
And being confronted with these inconvenient facts and not being able to formulate an argument only serves to bolster my case. Perhaps if Murray Rothbard and Mises had maitained control over the RAND Corporation then it would not have been subverted to serve the Neocon Agenda.
Now you can read all about that fight on LewRockwell.com if it interests you. Of course they are Libertarian subjectivists on that site.
Other than that you can continue to serve your Zionazi masters.
The junkers come in droves around here. If you talk about the satanic jews (ashkenazi), they junk you. If you are able to make money and better yourself by being a capitalist you get junked. If you point out how Donald Trump and even Ron Paul are just playing their parts, you get junked. Tyler has done a good job banning posters lately who tell the truth.
Considering how rife this site is with right-wing conspiracy nuts of all sorts, I would dispute that.
Eirik...You know that just reminds me of the "vast right wing conspiracy" statement that Hillary made way back in 1993.
The USA will turn into a Communist state over my dead body. I will fight that...to the death of myself...if necessary.
It was only a few hours ago that you claimed that Jesus wants all the workers of the world to be paid the same wage regardless of their position or productivity. If that isn't Marxist I don't know what is.
First that is NOT what the parable said, Genius. You did not even bother to read it.
But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
You have graduated into total dishonesty.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT.
I've read it many times. It is a parable in which the vineyard represents heaven. It is not an economic treatise on the finer points of Marxism. I'm not the only person who understands this obvious truth.
What does this parable teach us about His Kingdom? It tells us that God's Kingdom does not operate on the business principles of this world. God's Kingdom is not like an earthly kingdom - God's kingdom is about grace*.
http://fervr.net/bible/parable-of-the-workers-in-the-vineyard
The direct object of this parable seems to be, to show that though the Jews were first called into the vineyard, at length the gospel should be preached to the Gentiles, and they should be admitted to equal privileges and advantages with the Jews. The parable may also be applied more generally, and shows, 1. That God is debtor to no man. 2. That many who begin last, and promise little in religion, sometimes, by the blessing of God, arrive at a great deal of knowledge, grace, and usefulness. 3. That the recompense of reward will be given to the saints, but not according to the time of their conversion.
https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/Matthew-Henry/Matt/P...
The question remains, if you worship Jesus and believe he is a Marxist why do you say that you will fight Marxists to the death?
From my EIGHT Junkers above...NOT ONE REPLY? NOT ONE COUNTERARGUMENT?
Thank you for BOLSTERING MY CASE. I really do appreciate it...in all sincerity.
I'm impressed with the dedicated following billy has amassed as resident knowall of the zerohedge comments section. Dude gets upvotes even when involved in OT pissing matches, 5 upvotes for snide remarks written on page 3, 12 hours after everyone has read the article.
Infallible too, anyone who dares question his omniscience receives the obligatory 3-5 downvotes.
Get 'em billy!
Perhaps if Murray Rothbard and Mises had maitained control over the RAND Corporation then it would not have been subverted to serve the Neocon Agenda.
Now you can read all about that fight on LewRockwell.com if it interests you.
The RAND Corporation was formed in 1948 as an offshoot of Douglas Aircraft. Please provided documentation that Rothbard ever controlled it. When I search lewrockwell.com I see numerous condemnations of RAND Corporation and no indication that it had ever been under Rothbard's control.
That is funny that you cannot find it. It took me TWO MINUTES...
Here are some links for you.
EDUCATE YOURSELF....BEFORE COMMENTING.
https://www.google.com/cse?cx=010115542726049794836:lpyn2ylmqe8&q=Rand%20rothbard%20Koch&oq=Rand%20rothbard%20Koch&gs_l=partner.12...9377.27466.0.30558.28.20.8.0.0.0.250.3119.0j18j2.20.0.gsnos%2Cn%3D13...0.18102j21604968j30j5..1ac.1.25.partner..27.1.248.JDQAI0bb5uY#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Rand%20rothbard%20Koch&gsc.page=1
Certainly you can do better with a 138 IQ...
I don't see anything there that says that Rothbard controlled the RAND corporation. Some of the articles don't even mention the Rand Corporation but rather reference the author "Ayn Rand" (who was not associated with the RAND Corporation) and the word "corporation" separately.
Can you supply a direct citation or quote? Please forgive me but where I come from asking for evidence of an assertion is not considered to be impolite.
You want me to do YOUR HOMEWORK?
NO. I have given you enough. I have given you a SOURCE. I have given you a plethora of links. Use that 138 IQ of yours to whittle them down, GENIUS...
OT...But pertaining to that other $70,000 Minimum Wage Thread...
FIRST...As to what is DEFINED as a Genius...
Frome Wiki...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius#IQ_and_genius
[While] There is no scientifically precise definition of genius, and the question of whether the notion itself has any real meaning has long been a subject of debate, although psychologists are converging on a definition that emphasizes creativity and eminent achievement....
Based on the historical findings of the Terman study and on biographical examples such as Richard Feynman, who had an IQ of 125 and went on to win the Nobel Prize in physics and become widely known as a genius,[30][31] the current view of psychologists and other scholars of genius is that a minimum level of IQ (approximately IQ 125) is strictly necessary for genius, but this level of IQ is also sufficient for development of genius only when combined with the other influences on individual development of genius identified by Cox's biographical study, namely opportunity for talent development and personality characteristics of drive and persistence.
Finally...
The Parable of the Talents is a lesson on INVESTMENT and APPLIED FAITH. It has no bearing of the topic of COMPENSATION FOR SERVICES RENDERED.
The Parable of the Vineyard, contrary to that, is DIRECTLY APPLICABLE TO COMPENSATION for services.
You would be wise to download Gary North's Book, "An Economic Commentary on the Bible", from LewRockwell.com, who has the link, or Mises.org, or Gary North's website, and READ IT. Another one which is useful, also by Gary North, is "Christian Economics in One Lesson"
I did not just spend all of my time on Kitco.com, posting, before I came over to Zerohedge.
You want me to do YOUR HOMEWORK?
No, I want you to support your postion with facts rather than a list of Google links which include results which do not even mention the claim you made.
FIRST...As to what is DEFINED as a Genius...
I specifically stated that I am not a genius in that thread. Not sure why that upsets you. I'm also not particularly strong or handsome. Does that bother you as well?
The Parable of the Vineyard, contrary to that, is DIRECTLY APPLICABLE TO COMPENSATION for services.
No, it's a parable which explains that those who come late to Christ will be rewarded in heaven just the same as someone who had been saved in his youth. But if you do believe that Jesus demands that you be a Marxist then why do you claim that you want to fight Marxists to the death? Is your real name Judas?
A 138 IQ qualifies you as a Genius, genius.
I do not care whether you wrote that you are a genius or are not a genius. Anybody can dispute the number...or the definition...to what end, for what purpose?
I was taught that a 130 IQ was the demarcation line. In fact ANYBODY who rightfully claims to have that 138 IQ is considered a Genius by the EDUCATED MAN.
So Genius remains to be defined...precisely. Big deal, genius. You made the claim that you are well above 125, or even well above the 130 score on which I was taught in my Psychology Classes was defined as a Genius IQ many years ago. Claiming that score was making a claim of your Genius.
That is what YOU DECLARED when you published that number, pal.
Disputing that declaration is just an argument for argument's sake, genius.
Next topic...I have spent many, many, many hours on Lew Rockwell. I read it daily for many years.
As for me providing you with ANY SOURCE?? YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED. Lose your Entiltlement Mentality.
If you choose to vainly attempt to refute my argument then you find evidence of refutation. Good luck. You will not.
Finally...It would behoove you to admit that you are wrong when you are. I can pull instances from that thread where you wrote to LTER that Jesus did not order equal compensation for unequal work. YOU KNOW that you took that position with LTER, another atheist.
At least he will admit it when he is wrong...to me. I have defeated LTER before. There is MUTUAL RESPECT because of that.
Then you are not honest enough to admit your error? Why, just why in the hell will I take any time to provide you with any sources? You like argument for argument's sake. I do not.
I have better things to do with my time and I disrespect those who argue for argument's sake.
When I am mistaken, and there have been many times on these pages where I have been proven wrong then I admit it. That is how you will garner much more respect on these pages.
Rothbard and Mises were never in "control" of the RAND Corporation. Your inability to cite even a single relevant document is embarrassing. Either post the evidence or quit complaining.
My IQ is 138 which is above average and thus refutes LetThemEatRand's claim that I am "dumb" which the dictionary defines as "displaying lower than average intelligence." You see, that is how one documents a rational argument -- with a real reference like a dictionary and not some vague ramblings about how you used to read Lew Rockwell. I would mention that I was actually published by Lew Rockwell but that would probably upset you as much as my IQ score.
However, the facts shows that I am not a "genius," no matter how much you wish it to be so. Note that I have documented this point as well.
Terman's Stanford–Binet original (1916) classification[51][52] IQ Range ("ratio IQ") IQ Classification
Above 140 "Near" genius or genius
120–140 Very superior intelligence
110–120 Superior intelligence
90–110 Normal, or average, intelligence
80–90 Dullness, rarely classifiable as feeble-mindedness
70–80 Border-line deficiency, sometimes classifiable as dullness, often as feeble-mindedness
Below 70 Definite feeble-mindedness
LetThemEatRand's claim that I am "dumb" which the dictionary defines as "displaying lower than average intelligence."
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There is more than one definition, genius:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dumb
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a : lacking intelligence : stupid
b : showing a lack of intelligence
c : requiring no intelligence
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dumb
1.
lacking intelligence or good judgment; stupid; dull-witted.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dumb
6. Conspicuously unintelligent; stupid: dumb officials; a dumb decision.
Collins Dictionary
dumb 5. informal Stupid or slow to understand.
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Firstly, when arguing with myself rather than admit you misunderstood or perhaps didn't even bother reading the wage hike article before beginning your dogmatic spiel on why it is a terrible idea, you made this comment:
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However, one does not have to be "angry" in order to believe that his plan was a bad plan based on unsound philosophy.
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Key word there is was. You are pontificating here as if Price's plan has already failed, which is a factual error, if you will.
Here you could have admitted the error and we all move on. But young billyboy is never wrong and upon receiving this comment from myself:
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No, but if one makes this assertion before the plan they refer to has failed, one's dogmatic philosophy is obstructing the reality.
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You double down with this doozy:
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Nonsense. Life requires forethought and action. One uses rational discrimination based on experience in an attempt to avoid bad situations and maximize good situations.
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See there billy, that's you defending your condemnation of the wage hike plan based on the fact it failed, even though it didn't!!
When faced with this reality you decided to evade questions about your glaring error and change the subject, realizing what a goose you have made of yourself. That does not change the fact that you were "Stupid or slow to understand" in this case and that the charge of lacking intelligence (Collins: the ability to understand) is an apt one.
That is one instance, and we were lucky enough to witness you spectacularly fail when attempting to insert more dogma into the argument using the bible. For this, tarsubil's post questioning your intellect:
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Paying everyone equal despite performance is a central idea of Christianity. Holy crap are you seriously this dumb?
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is entirely warranted.
If you still believe that your 138 IQ (of which you have provided no documentation for) suggests you can not be dumb no matter the subject at hand, that you use intelligence and good judgement without exception, you are a massive idiot.
Billy the Poet - You win most of your arguments hands down. But you fell for the ad hominem. Yes, your more ingelligent than most but best not to ever reveal your hand if possible.
Tom Tall one day makes highly intelligent commentary but every once in awhile talks about bombing basic infrastructure. I now ignore his commentary and will not respond to it.
Governments will destroy each other's basic infrastructure. If one is wise you prepare and have a plan to get out of the way for that time because when elephants dance, ants get trampled.
To Tom's credit he has admitted illness based on how he has been treated. I have sympathy for victims but if I saw him approaching part of basic infrastructure To bomb it I would shoot him in the head. It is the job of the military and intelligence agencies to hold politicians accountable. They swore an oath to the constitution which I subsribe to. If they won't honor it. What purpose does suicide by gun or killing innocent civilians serve?
Tom is also diverting an important event. An addicts first step to recovery is admission. I give Carter credit for this. Better late than never still applies in my book. I am a reformed sociopath. Still working on it. There are medical conditions that made me a bit emotionally weak but highly intelligent through increased adrenaline which amplifies beta brain waves. I internalize my problems now instead of externizing them by justifying legally sanctioned theft or violence. So I forgive at will when someone comes around.
So you do not discern satire well.
I have NO CRIMINAL HISTORY...other than Misdemeanor Possession of Pot back in 1982.
I have been caught speeding...once...back in 1978.
I have had a few Registration Violations.
I have had one equipment violation.
No DUIs
No wreckless endangerment.
No terroristic threats
No Domestic Violence
I have not ever bombed anybody.
I have never killed anybody.
I have no sex offenses.
I have never gone out of my way to harm anybody.
I have never been in prison.
I have never been to jail...even for that Misdeameanor Pot Bust....which was supposedly expunged.
No evictions.
No Restraining Orders.
I do not use drugs.
The last beer that I drank was a 12 f.oz Coors Light about a year ago this month. (It blitzed me.)
I drink Mountain Dew. And I smoke cigarettes...like a chimney. Those are my vices. I will collect cash from the casino and "gamble" only when the odds are stacked heavily in my favor.
I have listed my full name and address here on the website many, many times.
Have you ever done a background check?
Here it is again...what will you find out...but nothing?
Thomas O'Brien
12223B Woodside Ave.
Lakeside, CA 92040
Does that really sound like I am dangerous?
Background checks are free, you know?
I do not use drugs.
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No one's perfect.
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Does that really sound like I am dangerous?
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Well supplying your full name and address is pretty badass, sorta like a drug dealer leaving his keys in his caddy.
Raging Debate, thank you for the rational discourse. What a strange world this is when an admitted sociopath sounds more reasonable than half the other folks who post here. But I will take issue with one or two things.
Billy the Poet - You win most of your arguments hands down. But you fell for the ad hominem. Yes, your more ingelligent than most but best not to ever reveal your hand if possible.
I always address an ad hominem attack against me which constitutes charges of stupidity with the phrase, "My IQ is 138. What is yours." It has usually gone over well, perhaps not so much this time. But truth and accuracy are important to me and not the up or down vote count. If someone calls me short I will post my height. If someone calls me fat I will post my weight and if someone calls me dumb I will post my IQ score. It is up to those who read the posts to determine whether my posts which are consistently well documented are "dumb" or if those who try to refute documented evidence with ad hominem attacks are dumb. The only person I need to satisfy is myself and I do that by fact checking myself and maintaining my principles.
Tom Tall one day makes highly intelligent commentary but every once in awhile talks about bombing basic infrastructure. I now ignore his commentary and will not respond to it.
I actually like Tall Tom and his repeated angry outbursts haven't changed that. He's not very good at documenting his arguments and he holds onto untenable positions far too long but he does have a moral code to which he adheres with great tenacity. I can respect that.
So I forgive at will when someone comes around.
Words to live by. May peace and liberty be yours today and everyday.
Bill The Poet - I think all have a right to defend there honor when insulted. As for me I attempt to take the higher ground in such cases. Sometimes I fail haha.
Tom Tall is trying to add value somehow, I agree. However, every once in awhile I try and point out where is ideology gets confusing or leads to an individual attacking the wrong target. If one wishes to quote a teacher like Christ, don't quote scripture and state your target is civilian infrastructure. That is what governments do. Yes, in tactics a military can win a war that way but he doesn't postulate what he wants, it multiplies the casualties until change and besides, in the end the Russians and Ghandi show what actually works to slowly but surely end the tyranny (in this time period): Pretend work for pretend pay.
I will repeat what I said, if I see him attempting it I will shoot him in the head or anybody like it. I am a civilian and would consider it my duty. Now I will co tinue to whisper in the ear of elite and everybody here and elsewhere what I want (one set of rules and why it benefits all).
Bless you too Bill. Responding to comments and debate takes time. I value all peoples time. I just cant spend it on what a few consider the solution.
This is quite the shitshow.
Very interesting posts by the parties involved, it's why we all come here to read - not just the articles, but the commentary. If only to see conversations and subjects that are beyond your typical "wo/man on the streets" comprehension. Even if some of the material is tinfoil, at least it's entertaining.
To the junkers...Junking my post will not change the truth, or the facts, will it?
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Funny isn't it Tom, you seem to be copping -5 a lot, as I have since refuting billyboy. A quick glance at the thread from last night shows billyboy with 5 upvotes for many of his long-winded and convoluted retorts, including 5 upvotes for his "My IQ is 138. What's yours?" comment that I personally can not imagine anyone other than the egotistical little braggart himself upvoting.
Or hey, maybe I'm just paranoid and there are 5 unconnected accounts that each thought that puerile boast and the rest of his snide attempts to save face deserve praise.
You decide.
>Jimmy Carter is a Trilateralist Commission, Council of Foreign Relations hypocrite. He did more to establish "Globalism", rather fascist corporatism, in the United States than any President which had preceded him.<
Absolutely correct, Tall Tom- you hit the nail on the head- with a BFH.
Jimmy must've recently been diagnosed with a terminal disease and is trying to cleanse his soul before his inevitable journey to Hell.
It's worse than that.
The vermin at the top know the system is falling apart, and something will replace it. So some of them are distancing, the ones who think they can get away with it, trying to pretend it was JUST THOSE VERMIN OVER THERE, the obvious ones (i.e., Bush, Clinton, Rothschild, Rockefeller), and NOT these guys who are coming out now, pointing fingers, pretending it wasn't them. When the Federal Reserve goes down, look for a pack of the same vermin, wearing white hats instead of black this time, to come riding to the rescue and save us all from the evil Federal Reserve and Friends. We'll be told to trust this new boss, who will definitely not be the same as the old boss and who will usher us in to a New World Order out of the chaos left by the old fallen evil system.
They'll even have gold to pass around, b/c they won't be able to avoid it. But they'll be using it and passing it round, only so that they can undermine and replace it with their paper again, later. I bet they'll also call for clemency and mercy, forgiveness of all crimes b/c it was 'the system' not 'the individual', and which of us peasants can throw the first stone since we all participated, etc. They'll be the ones advocating no or little punishment b/c 'the hatred will be enough'. They'll do this so the defendants don't blow the new guys' cover; they'll cut deals everywhere they can. They'll rely on the very same 'judges' who are complicit now. And we'll never see a Supreme Court judge, from any occupied country, on the defendant list.
Don't get me wrong, I welcome a new set of Nuremberg trials. At least some executions will be necessary and appropriate. But let's not pretend they won't have the same goal as the last time: to allow a select group of criminals to escape notice to set to work on the next phast of the New World Order.
There's a group at the IMF and World Bank who are just waiting for their moment. This new finger-pointing by people who are ALSO clearly at the top -- or who were -- is paving the way for the new boss. We'll know them because their mark of the beast will be the same: supra-national 3- and 4-letter acronyms, and/or representing some form of globalist rescuers. Beware of them because they are the VERY SAME group.
If they are or were in power, and are not hiding their heads in shame, exposing 'national secrets' (i.e., crime), or finding some honest line of work and minding their own business, then they are not to be trusted.
The ONLY plan that will work for sure is to trust NO-ONE at any large government level. We might have to obey them, to whatever extent is necessary, but never ever trust them, and we must empower small local groups instead. And even those small local groups will require very strict limits and constant vigilance. And that's even supposing that enough people learn this lesson, and don't just blindly trust the next supranational that the MSM tells them is A-OK.
For us at the peasant level, who thirst for justice, we better make sure that desire isn't just one for peace at any cost. A scapegoat judged and sentenced will give some of us the excuse to go back to sleep b/c we had the trial, the villain was found, and so all is well now. The vermin at the top are counting on that. Trials will happen but they will be a PLOY. Real justice is never fully satisfied b/c real villainy never sleeps, and the only answer is constant vigilance, Nuremberg or no Nuremberg.
PS: Tall Tom, thanx for the biographical research. This is key for each of us to do, every time some mouth steps up to a media platform. Especially if it's MSM. In the age of the internet, at least so far it is still possible to look up who any public figure is, what they've done, and who they surrounded themselves with.
If I remember correctly Jimmy Carter remade the Dept Of State in his own image ---some of the insiders where still there during the Bush/Clinton/Bush years-- foreign policy of the US has been Jimmy's vision for decades--
Jimmy did some things in office that were not so good. Since leaving office, however, he has probably done more than any other former president. Currently, he's close to eliminating the Guinea worm which is a parasite unique to humans.
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/01/13/376966122/watch-out-...
Brezezinski was Carter's NSA advisor.
He is currently, RIGHT NOW, advising President Obama.
David Rockefeller, himself, nominated Jimmy Carter to the Trilateral Commission.
No matter who won the 1976 Presidential Election, between Ford/Nelson ROCKEFELLER and Carter/Moondale, there was going to be that Rockefeller access into the Whore House.
The insiders are still there...to this very day.
Tall Tom, thanx for the biographical research. This is key for each of us to do, every time some mouth steps up to a media platform. Especially if it's MSM. In the age of the internet, at least so far it is still possible to look up who any public figure is, what they've done, and who they surrounded themselves with.
Renfield...Thank Antony C. Sutton. He is the author who enlightened me to what is going on..He deserves the credit for exposing this.
Renfield - I agree with a lot of your commentary. After global war I agree many of the powerbrokers will come out of the woodworks. However, Carter is taking a risk NOW in making such a statement. Same as Princeton in a study showing the US is now an oligarchy. This is called attempted reform. It is a positibe sign some of the US elite are learning. Unfortunately, it may be a little too late to avoid catastrophe but perhaps in scale doing this may minimize casualties.
Yours are some of my favorite commentaries but I cant agree that Carter is simply covering his own ass.
Fortunately, Reagan rolled most of Carter's initiatives back and put us on a path to help the little guy.
Riiiiiight!
OK!
MmmmmHmmmm.
The "little guy" is doing all so well in this raging economy. I see the smartest guys in the room have done a crack-up job in Greece, Venezuela(?), Japan, Indonesia, et fucking cetera, as well. They must have consulted Reagan on his raging success.
It's a club for controllers. Sociopaths, psychopaths and genocidal maniacs. How did they get into the woodwork as they have and white-anted the world? It's the money, stupid. Their currency which they force you to earn.
When are we going to get over this purile salivating over politicians.
Its a big club, and you ain't in it. They don't care about you. They don't give a flying fuck about you. You don't cost them a nano-second of worry or benovelent concern, THEY DON"T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU! (Paraphrasing George Carlin
You're a Carlinista .... you saw past his jokes .... and embraced his political philosophy .... you must be a fun date ! LOL
Carlin's little things observational comedy was pretty meh tbh. He was a mainstream TV personality before using LSD in the 60s and 'awakening'. He probably felt he needed to keep the simple 'you ever notice' sienfeld comedy for his earlier fans. I would have preferred he cut the observational half from his shows, so put me in the carlinista basket too then I guess but I keep my political philosophy to myself until the second date obv.
I'll put you in the no likey philosophy, much likey airplane jokes basket, fun date.
by little guy I was talking about the percentage of the population they comprise ;) knee jerk much?
Yeah, that was so obvious it didn't need the /sarc tag.
Dear Jimmy. What's you stance on the Fed and their counterfeit dollars?
(CRICKETS)
Just another cocksucker whining or lamenting about innanities when he knew what was going on since 1913.
Stand up and put an end to it Jimmy. Don't be another Wilson who wailed about ruining his country?
I call Bullshit, you old fuck. Prove me wrong and surprise the living shit out of us.
Phhhtttt.
I started my military career under Jimmy Carter and that was all kinds of suck and stupidity rolled up in one peanut farmer. I never thought I would see a worse president in my lifetime...until we elected the great black hope......
I lived through the same during my military days. But I always knew it was going to get much worse after I witness what Carter did. I took early retirement and joined the fascist corporate state then retire a broken fucking man.
How does Jimmy think he got into office? The oligarchs are now more open and blantant with America in a state of confusion. Jimmy should know quite well how he was elected since FDR said presidents are selected, not elected.
Or is this Jimmy's mea culpa?
bribing..i mean lobbying is legal Jimmey!
Yes, but it was once ILLEGAL, just as it was legal to throw human beings into gas ovens during the days of Hitler's Third Reich, it is now ILLEGAL to do so in Germany.
WELCOME TO AMERICA'S FOURTH REICH!
Ooooooohhh, Jimmy is speaking truth to POWER, oooooohhhh, I'm sooooo excited!
[Disclaimer: I was actually on Carter's first succesful presidential campaign.]
OK, so which president was it who ENDED the federal anti-usury regulations, thus allowing for those Adjustable Rate Mortgages to be created in the Reagan Administration?
(Answer: Jimmy Carter)
OK, so which president was it who began deregulation of the airlines and trucking industries?
(Answer: Jimmy Carter)
OK, so which president was it who issued the presidential directive to destablize the SECULAR-government of Afghanistan?
(Answer: Jimmy Carter)
Now, I admit Carter went off the reservation when he went the solar energy route, really pissed off his major financial backer, David Rockefeller, but this was quickly changed.
I appreciate what a trivialized former president has to say, but . . .
My memory is fuzzy but wasn't the actually in charge of the oligarchy at one time? Did he not have some power to do something about it?
"Welcome to the party, Asshole!"
-John McClane
Nodebt the sad thing is many here knew this long ago. It saddens me to see our country being turned into a modern aristocracy rnning the indentured servents thru debt they willingly take on. Jimmy is apart of the club make no doubt about that. People only care about social media and their telephones. Oh and who will promise them the most freebies. The USA is basically no more when it come to an elected republic. Our forefathers knew what would happen and we the people have allowed this to happen.
Many need to look in the mirror for therein lies the blame for most folks.
.... so sayeth the second worst democrap US President...
Whaddaya expect from the Rockefeller's handpicked peanut farmer ?
(Also a member of the Tri-lateral Commission.)
Jimma's still alive?
When they "pulled" bldg #7 and then said fire made it collapse and anyone who questioned it was a conspiracy wack job...and the public bought it...THAT was the moment that "they" knew they had won.
The PTB used all of their resources to make him a laughing stock...the only president in memory who did NOT have a war during his term...now we desperately need another one like him
But if what Brzezinski claimed was true (during an interview in France around 1996), that Carter issued a presidential directive to destablize Afghanistan (then a secular country) by, with the aid of Saudi Arabia, moving Islamic extremists (Wahabists) to their northern border with the Soviet Union, to foment trouble among the Sufi Islam people there, then Carter most certainly initiated a string of events we are still experiencing today!
Clearly Carter would have only done so with Zbig's advice. Plus the numerous statements that he has made since then, make it clear it was his idea to help bankrupt the USSR by making Afghanistan their Vietnam.
Now it it the USA's turn to declare bankruptcy via unsustainable foreign mis-adventures.
"Breaking News on CNN" missed it!
The Deep State runs everything in America since at least Nov 22, 1963. The NSA spies on the Supreme Court, Congress and the White House and you. As a Snowden memo revealed:
The most extraordinary passage in the memo requires that the Israeli spooks “destroy upon recognition” any communication provided by the NSA “that is either to or from an official of the US government.” It goes on to spell out that this includes “officials of the Executive Branch (including the White House, Cabinet Departments, and independent agencies); the US House of Representatives and Senate (members and staff); and the US Federal Court System (including, but not limited to, the Supreme Court).”
The stunning implication of this passage is that NSA spying targets not only ordinary American citizens, but also Supreme Court justices, members of Congress and the White House itself. One could hardly ask for a more naked exposure of a police state.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/13/surv-s13.html
Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State
There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/
Mossad is on the "honor system" to look the other way, too.
Wonder how that's workin' out.
Didn't Bibi have some dirt on Bill that he mentioned one day in the ovoid orofice?
Israeli intelligence agents were integrated into the CIA during Roosevelt's operation to depose Mossadegh in Iran during the early 1950's, if not before.
I couldn't help but think the same thing. Sure, the NSA has covered their asses by documenting an agreement, but how's it gonna be enforced again?
For Mossad, I guess they'd have to have the same "honor" it takes to have your lotto ticket erroneously read by the state's machines as the big winner and then to insist upon turning down the money.
Actually, the lotto winner would be assuming risk by not doing so, in that case, risking a stack on felonies and a highly motivated prosecutor. But most would take the money anyway, after all.
No risk to Mossad, though. Wonder what a spy agency as honorable as their counterpart, the NSA, would do with all that priceless confidential information?
Of course, what is NSA and its galaxy of private sub-contractors doing with it themselves?
Right. JC, and I don't mean Jesus Christ, was a puppet, too. He joined the CFR just 3 years before leaving those hallowed grounds of his beloved peanut faarm in south Gawgia to maarch into the people's house. Then the 3 Mile Island accident conveniently happened on his watch, within the same month of the release of the propaganda film, China Symdrome. So, despite being a former 'Navy Nuke', he helped to shut down the growth of US nuclear industry and guarantee future ME conflicts.
How wonderfully ironic that, as this article states, NSA's infiltration of silicon valley's electronic titans has caused those titans to push back. The titans are losing billions of dollars around the world in potential profits from those who don't want NSA and its affiliates recording and analyzing every keystroke, mouselick, and video image.
Tell the TRUTH, Brother Jimmy!
Yee-Haw!
What's his stance on the Fed?
Yeehhhaw my ass.
oh geez. as if things were pure when he was in the round room.
He could be a closet boy toucher, most pols are, but he doesn't strike me as being part of the Black Hearted club.
pods
Carter literally came out of nowhere, walking streets and roads, campaigning. In a sense he was a folk hero kind of President, a peanut farmer. No lawyer, banker, developer. No axes to grind. He had a southern drawl and his wife Rosalind was attractive.
He was too nice and to genuine to be President. He inherited a mess and left a bigger mess. Kind of like this clown we have now with the exception that this clown ain't nice and is far more cunning and deliberate. He won't be building habitat for humanity homes when he leaves office- which seems an eternity from now.
Eleanor Rosalynn Carter
Jimmy, how does it feel to be the the second dumbest democrat president in United States history?
But Carter wasn't a fucking warmongering murderer like the nigga Obomber , Bush or Clinton.
True, but he was incompetent.
All Christers are incompetent. Carter is a Christer. Nice guy but dumber than a box of rocks.
Yea the sataners got it going on.
Yes,,, that was his biggest downfall.
Americans may say they are peaceful out of one side of their collective mouth but the other side screams to be the biggest, baddest, meanest, asshole on the block.
And so he got the title as the weakest president ever. Reagan and his Langley master, Bush, played on that to win the election.
and America got what it wanted... and is still speaking out of both sides of its collective mouth.
More honest, though.
He milked it his whole life and now tells some truth. He should be a cell mate with Corzine.
You mean Madoff, they can socialize cigarettes for prison favors.
Comared to the Clintons and Bushes, he didn't really milk shit. He barely knew how to "play the game".
That's the truth right there. His job was to play the folksy peanut farmer looking out for Joe six pack while secretly fucking him, and he couldn't get that part right so TPTB turned to an actor.
Yep, a mentally palsied Patsy, Putz and a Puppet all rolled into one Andy Griffith looking persona!...we can market the hell out of this shit!
Yep!
But, when he sent his brother over to shake down the Shah of Iran ... well, we are still working on unraveling that master move outcome, now almost 4 decades later with the present international wizards of diplomacy.
All a bunch of stumbling amatures. (I spent the better part of 2 decades in SE Asia including Iran - 60's & 70's and have some strong opinions based on personal experience)
You mean Bubba.
George Carlin said it best:
It's a big club and you ain't in it.
https://youtu.be/i5dBZDSSky0
THEY OWN YOU!
How did we manage from a peanut president to a Kenyan bone admirer.
Former commander of a ballistic missile sub.
Nuclear to boot.
Never was a Nuke Boat Commander.
Never served on a Nuclear Sub in any capacity.
I joined the Navy in 1959. The same bullshit rumor was active in the mid 70's - so I voted for the "former SSBN Commander".
I knew I had been sucked in when he stopped the motorcade and walked to his inauguration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter
Carter was honorably discharged from the Navy on October 9, 1953
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_submarine
The United States launched the USS Nautilus, the first nuclear submarine, in 1954
The world's first operational SSBN was USS George Washington (SSBN-598) with 16 Polaris A-1 missiles, which entered service in December 1959 and conducted the first SSBN deterrent patrol November 1960-January 1961.
Carter - Never set foot on or even got close to a Nuclear Sub or a Boomer (SSBN) as a Naval Officer.
Might be good to recall that this is the same brilliant military and political strategist that disclosed to the world that the US had active Stealth technology in place and operational.
PacOps - Nice contribution. Educational. I am better at concepts than detail which as the sayjng goes: The devil is in the details.
I stand somewhat corrected.
16 OCT 1952 - 08 OCT 1953 -- Duty with US Atomic Energy Commission (Division of Reactor Development, Schenectady Operations Office) From 3 NOV 1952 to 1 MAR 1953 he served on temporary duty with Naval Reactors Branch, US Atomic Energy Commission, Washington, D.C. "assisting in the design and development of nuclear propulsion plants for naval vessels." From 1 MAR 1953 to 8 OCT 1953 he was under instruction to become an engineering officer for a nuclear power plant. He also assisted in setting up on-the-job training for the enlisted men being instructed in nuclear propulsion for the USS Seawolf (SSN575).
Source: Carter Library
Lumberjack - Plus one for showing class. I only get to judge because I admit I am imperfect (and kind of an asshole sometimes). Best the truth all comes out.
Most people know this already and are in fact doing whatever the fuck they want towards securing a future for themselves and their tribe.
Moral hazard is a real motherfucker folks.
same as it ever was...
Pretty big words for a peanut farmer...
Dammit Jimmy! I'm sure theres a habitat house for you to be building somewhere...this time, try not to crap in the drywall bucket will you?