This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
Trump Tops Pre-Debate Polls, Slams Koch Conference Attendees As "Puppets"
Another weekend of glad-handing and Sunday talk-shows and still The Donald dominates the GOP Presidential nominee race. With all eyes firmly glued on this week's debate, Trump had a few choice words for those who attended the Koch brothers' biannual conference (which he was not invited to), tweeting "I wish good luck to all the Republican candidates that traveled to California to beg for money etc. from the Koch Brothers... Puppets?" As WSJ reports, Mr. Trump poses a more delicate short-term challenge for the GOP, thanks to high name recognition, celebrity appeal and a populist message that taps a powerful anti-Washington vein. "I don’t think you should underestimate how frustrated people are," Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said Sunday during a lunch at the Koch gathering. "Mr. Trump has tapped into some of that."
Still ahead...
As The Wall Street Journal reports,
Mr. Trump’s unanticipated ascent coincided with the arrival of five other Republican presidential candidates at a luxury resort here over the weekend to audition for hundreds of wealthy donors convened by billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch. It’s a gathering that exposes both the promise and the limits of a new campaign financing system for the GOP. More money is flowing into the race, but the party and the candidates have less control over how those dollars are spent. The contenders also risk appearing beholden to deep-pocketed backers.
The biannual Koch conference set the stage for the busiest week yet in the nominating contest, with a candidate forum Monday in New Hampshire and the first candidates’ debate on Thursday in Cleveland.
The Koch conference is an unrivaled convergence of roughly 450 conservatives who have pledged at least $100,000 a year to various political and ideological endeavors. Many are also financing individual presidential candidates and the so-called super PACs that support them.
Outside donors are taking on roles once solely performed by candidates and the party, from television ads to voter outreach. The Koch network plans to spend about $900 million in the run-up to the 2016 election, with about a third of that total devoted to influencing elections outcomes. Yet, these donors don’t always see eye-to-eye with GOP leaders in Washington and could prove nettlesome for a Republican president.
The Koch network, for example, sparred with the Republican National Committee over who controls the vast repository of voter data that GOP candidates at every level of the ballot will need to turn out supporters next fall. The two sides recently reached a deal to share information, but the pact gives an entity backed by the Kochs a central role overseeing the party’s data-collection efforts for the foreseeable future. Candidates also rely increasingly on Koch-financed groups to organize their grassroots events.
* * *
It seems Jimmy Carter was right after all,
“It violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for President or being elected President. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. Senators and congress members. So, now we’ve just seen a subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect, and sometimes get, favors for themselves after the election is over. …
At the present time the incumbents, Democrats and Republicans, look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves. Somebody that is already in Congress has a great deal more to sell.”
* * *
Mr Trump did not seem too worried...
I wish good luck to all of the Republican candidates that traveled to California to beg for money etc. from the Koch Brothers. Puppets?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 2, 2015
It's going to be a busy week...
»
- 43757 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
Trump wins if he pays for the run himself.
Rand Paul will be my write in.
Rand is hard core against abortion. He has zero chance of winning the against any Democrat. Plus he is not Ron Paul, he is closer to a Rino...IMO
All Republicans are supposed to be hard core against abortion. The fact that some aren't, is a sign of total disintegration of the party.
While I still count myself as a non trump supporter, I gotta hand it to him, he's right about all those guys being puppets. To be honest, puppet is probably too kind. Whore is a more accurate description. Pretty pathetic the way they all go before these guys and grovel for money. Anyone that will do that automatically disqualifies themselves from ever recieving my support, money, or vote. I get it, they aren't billionaires like trump, but neither was Ron Paul and he didn't go groveling like this.
It's infuriating to hear people, mostly on the left , call the Koch brothers libertarians. Nothing but garden variety republicans
Cuckservatives actually, cuckholding the average middle class Republican to endless financial support of the reproductive efforts of vast and growning working age welfare recipient groups hostile to those Republican voters and their (few) children.
feeding parasites to breed more parasites is the hallmark of democratic democracy.
their motto should be "enslave the productive, to the unproductive."
Ladies and gentlemen the contenders:
1. Donald Trump
2. Cross-eyed retard from wisconsin who has never had a job but is confident about running the biggest economy in the world (ignore his shitty record in wisconsin)
3. Son & brother of two shitty presidents
Congratulations 'merica and good luck!
Trump is not a career politition....and that's why he's winning.
I don't care if you go get 100 off them...they're all worthless.
Sorry bitchez.....we're on to you.
How bad is it when Jimmy Carter outs you.....cause he's one of you.
I'm writing in Ted Nugent for President. For real this time. No....I'm not kidding.
Ted has never changed and he's the only person who has demonstrated the qualities it takes to run this great nation.
PS.....screw the Kochs.
Funny how Marco Rubio could not finish the though he started. His whole quote should have been "I don’t think you should underestimate how frustrated people are WITH ALL THE PIECE OF SHIT ASSHAT REPUBLICANS LIKE ME THAT HAVE BETRAYED THEIR TRUST FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AND ARE NO BETTER AT LIMITING THE SIZE AND COST OF GOVERNMENT THAN THE MOST LIBERAL OF DEMOCRATS."
Ladies and gentlemen, the Blue Team candidates:
1). An elderly shrew who wrote her thesis in college on Alinsky's Rules For Radicals, who can not point to a single major success in her life, and who should be behind bars for any number of reasons- most notably Benghazi.
2). An avowed socialist.
Congratulations 'murica and good luck!
All dual/triple passpot holders of any other nation should be prohibited from holding public office. Split loyalties with foreign nations in governance is a conflict of interest and can only create trouble. If they are unsure of their loyalties they can work in the private sector and hold ten passports if they like.
This is the 4th largest country on Earth, we are made up of ethnic groups from everywhere, and if we are to form and keep an American identity we need leaders who want to be American first and foremost.
^the explicit reason why it was written in the constitution that POTUS needed to be an american citizen. apparently that was before someone thought of double triple dipple shitizenship.
Stupid mother fucker, you are going to make a statment like that and leave Vince Fosters killer out of the conversation. You don't mention the current golfing cocksucker? Fuck you.
+1
>> to hear people, mostly on the left , call the Koch brothers libertarians.
I dare say you know nothing of what "people on the left" think.
Donald, Donald, he,s our man, if he can't do it, no one can!
Once "all members" of a party are supposed to be "hard core" about anything other then freedom of th individual to make their own choices but instead proclaim they know what is best for everyone in every situation.... They are fucked, this is why both parties suck ass.
That there is the wrong line of thinking. I don't want a bunch of like minded dolts running the country. I want a wide array of ideas and ideologies. Toting the party line is why we are where we are now. Two party system is donesky.
Abortion issues should be left up to the States. When DC decided it knew what was medically right for everyone inside our borders, they split the whole country into hostile camps. On the surface it looks like the usual and customary DC stupidity, but then again...who's to say they didn't know it would result in such social disintigration? Almost like they planned it that way.
Just find out where the candidates stand on the two important issues:
1)Do they support the second amendmen right of an individual to own firearms without restriction or any form of registration?
2)Do they support the real time audit and then dismantling of the FED?
Abortion is a completely unimportant issue and will resolve itself quite nicely. Don't like abortion? Don't have one as we liberatians like to say! Don't like drugs or prostition, then don't participate, etc. In the meantime control freaks need to have there unearned funds (taxes) cut off before they do any more damage.
Now, where does the donald stand on the above two issues?
He's a big gun control supporter. He has no intention of ever auditing or eliminating the FED-like most in the FIRE economy he couldn't function without the FED. Yes, he's the biggest egomaniac and narcissist of the bunch (could compete with Hitlery on both character traits). Entertaining? Moderately. Principled? Not even close! By contrast the Koch brothers maintain an industrial empire providing vital products like refined chemicals. The liberals hatred of the Kochs makes me admire them even more.
Rand is the clear on both this issues and his actions in the senate show it. Those who think he is some sort of main stream Rino are out of their cotton picking minds. (Which would be better put to cotton picking)
You're probably right, but if you've got the choice of being hit in the head with a stick or a rock, choose the stick.
Also I think he may feel it is an issue of states' rights.
Cunt should be really afraid if this guy gets a better hair piece.
Worth billions but hangs on to that 1970's rag like Linus hangs on to his security blanket.
http://www.peanuts.com/characters/linus/
While he's often the voice of reason in the neighborhood, Linus also believes firmly in the Great Pumpkin.
So true.
The country needs another Cunt-on Bush as much as it needs a third term with the fudgepacker.
The idiotic sheeple have elected & reelected corrup career political miedras ove and over and the country is in the shitter and getting deeper into the shitter.
Fat chance but country needs noncareer politician YS born US citizens to be given s chance. They sure can't do worse than the fudgepacker.
The system is beyond repair without extreme pain. The easier course would be to allow the US to deconstruct into several new stable and accountable countries.
"...The easier course would be to allow the US to deconstruct into several new stable and accountable countries..."
So busting up the U.S. into smaller pieces somehow magically confers 'stability' and especially 'accountability' on the new oligarch leaders of the smaller chunks? That doesn't cure psychopathy - it merely makes kings of several second-stringers waiting for their chances now.
The state is necessary for certain limited administrative functions - statists are wholly unnecessary, dangerous and quite disposable.
Woodchipper oligarchs, politicians and government officials alike until the ones that are left understand to whom they are accountable. I can do without stability, as long as the government fills their Depends every so often understanding that they are disposable at the whim of the people, and that oligarchs understand that their existence is merely tolerated by the population on a day-to-day basis.
Love the sentiment, but Joe sixpack would have to come out of his coma for this to happen. I think it will have to collaps to break the come.
Agree, FM.
I'm assuming your last sentence was 'break the coma' - helpful smartphone spelling correction or is your typing just as bad as mine?
The end of Joe Sixpack's coma is an interesting subject in an of itself. I wish one of the Tylers or their contributors would write an article devoted to it entirely. It's a particularly fascinating dilemma for those of us that won't shut up about psychopaths. You can replace 'psychopath' with 'evil' in the following - they are entirely the same.
You kind of have to be a psychopath to some degree to 'be in a coma' relative to what's really going on in the world. Psychopathy isn't limited to oligarchs and politicians - they're just the most visible ones. There's plenty of psychopaths among the chronically poor (a favorite breeding ground, as a matter of fact) and the huge not-rich-not-poor Joe Sixpack/suburban housewife coma crew. The bulk of the psychopaths in the U.S. today are functionally invisible to us. That doesn't mean all invisible people are psychopaths by a long shot - just that there are a hell of a lot out there that we never really have to fear or care about much. They don't bother us, and we don't bother them. Psychopathy is well-tolerated in the U.S. - as long as it doesn't affect us. Besides, there's more than enough 'big' psychopaths to command our attention on a day-to-day basis.
Here's the problem with waking the average Joe psychopath up in a crisis:
They are not really in a coma - they're just functionally invisible (to us) and generally don't care about complicated stuff as long as it has no perceived direct negative effect on them. Most stuff is dismissed in the typical learned-helplessness fashion: can't fight city hall, things were always this way, the 'government' has experts that know more than we do, etc. Stuff like the Fed? They will never begin to understand.
In a crisis, they do not suddenly become 'awake' - they simply react to protecting their own self-interests in face of an obvious and clearly-defined threat. They're Sleeper-cells. The danger here is that when supposedly 'awakened', an active, motivated nobody psychopath is a weapon of mass destruction for your rights. In a crisis, nobody psychopaths demand action from the powerful psychopaths, which is always usurped to further the goals of the most powerful psychopaths and turn you into a bit more of a slave.
I don't mean to beat up specifically on the asleep/awake analogy - it's good in so many ways, but it has its limitations. I find it hard to reconcile the metaphorical 'asleep' with the alarming absence of empathy for fellow U.S. citizens or our six billion crust-surfing neighbors. I'm just distinguishing a state of intellectual and moral coma (which you can sometimes presumably be 'awakened' from) with willful ignorance and psychopathy (which implies you are not asleep at all).
If most 'little people' in the U.S. today don't value empathy and, by extension, individual rights, then it's not worth fixing. I think I can still fix the government, but I can't fix everyone else's kids.
>>>The easier course would be to allow the US to deconstruct into several new stable and accountable countries
The USA could (and ultimately will) be deconstructed into several countries, but at least two of them will be anything but stable and accountable.
After a brief initial sorting-out period, there will have to be some serious border controls to contain the madness... until it has self-destructed. Anyone with a documented history of productive employment/enterprise should have no problem with cross-border migration, but that simple criterion would exclude untold millions of 'Murcans.
Let the FSA and the government employees support one another, and we'll see just how far that shit flies.
Putin would be a decent choice, most Americans would agree. But he's not there.
Jeb Bush's ASS would make a better president then the Obama's brain!
(Not that JB's ass would make a great president, we are just talking delta performance here)
The country needs another Cunt-on Bush as much as it needs a third term with the fudgepacker.
The idiotic sheeple have elected & reelected corrup career political miedras ove and over and the country is in the shitter and getting deeper into the shitter.
Fat chance but country needs noncareer politician YS born US citizens to be given s chance. They sure can't do worse than the fudgepacker.
Fukem
...
Israel wins regardless.
Don't participate in this circus we call politics. EVERY single one of them is loyal to their Zionist masters.
In the end Trump will simply invoke the Kelo decision and annex 1600 Pennsylvania Ave by eminent domain.
Unfortunately there is no acceptable presidential candidate in both parties: Trump seems to be the only one who could deal with Russia/Putin in a sensible way, but he calls Ed Snowden a "total traitor".
Koch brothers are fascists just as Buffett is a fascist. Trump is a populist fascist, kinda like another guy who's last name rhymes with fettuccine.
Government is fucked. Until people stop looking to pieces of shit to lead them and instead lead themselves we'll stay on this Kafkaesque course.
Stop looking to others to fix problems. Establish a real (ideally rural) community of like minded people, a parallel system and remove government's power. If the American people really wanted to demonstrate, they wouldn't vote. Voting only gives credibility to this completely fucked system.
Establish a community? I think David Koresh already did that. The only community I can see in the future is a FEMA camp. Welcome home!
1. You don't need to set up a compound of people who are easily labeled wierdos.
2. Army Delta cannot be deployed to thousands of sites at once.
3. If there was another waco, the US would be in civil war 5 minutes later.
The government doesn't has lost the moral high-ground which they will not get back and consequently, they will lose.
Not going to happen.
Trump inherited a hundred million or two which gave him a bit of a leg up, he's running for President, and he's calling out the Koch brothers for having too much political influence?
Didn't he actually contribute to the creation of that inheritance by working in the business?
And surely you do see a difference between own money spent on a campaign, where the person's position is pretty public and their interests readily questioned, and large donations behind the scene where the donor's interests and side deals are not public or readily questioned.
I get the difference. I voted for Perot. But Trump was born on third base and is calling out some guys who were born on home plate. I'd prefer something else.
I agree with you. I just find it hilarious listening to him go after McCain and graham and others I despise. He has said and done way too many things I disagree with to ever support him(giving billary money and pro gun control are two of the big ones) but it doesn't mean I can't get some enjoyment out of the shit he flings. Kinda like enjoying watching Putin make so many people look like fools without worshiping him. Amusing as they both may be, I certainly don't want either of them ruling over me.
That the republicans are so clueless as to why the rise in his popularity makes me laugh. Dumb shits don't know their own base. Once again, they wander around bumping into walls in response. Pathetic. There is no leadership material in either party.
Miffed
All the republican contenders are cuckservatives. There to lose on every issue and pass the bill to their middle class republican voters.
@miffed it is interesting to watch them handle the whole 'trump situation'. They can't risk alienating his supporters too much, since, at least in their mind, he will eventually skip down in the polls and a new front runner will emerge, which will prompt trump to bow out gracefully and endorser the nominee. I don't think that will happen. As I've said on here many times, the GOP really underestimated the Ron Paul crowd, and took their votes for granted, and lost us. They will never win another national election without us, and now they are risking creating another group of people that just says to hell with it and doesn't bother to vote for whatever garden variety 'moderate republican' eventually gets the nomination. After the way RP was treated, the GOP pretty much lost any credibility with me, and by not understanding their base and how angry a lot of them are, they run a real risk of turning off a few million more engaged voters who will either stay home on election day(possibly for good) or just write in trump out of spite.
I dumped the Party long ago voting for Ross Perot and Ron Paul. Some accused me as causing the marginalization seen in the Republican Party since that time. I say "Hell, fuck no!" The Republican Party left me, not the reverse. They betrayed me and I do not forget.
Anyone scrambling around trying to please people for votes will never get my respect. Any leadership coming from there would be quickly neutered or leave to remain intact. This angry white female waits impatiently with no hope seen in the future. Their stupidity only good for entertainment.
Miffed;-)
I found two principles essential when voting if voting is actually not another illusion within the matrix:
1) Whomever has the smallest billboards gets my vote
2) Whomever the MSM spends the most time pounding gets my vote
"I found two principles essential when voting..2) Whomever the MSM spends the most time pounding gets my vote"
Have another criteria for you:
3) Refuses to form a super PAC (ie. work for oligarchs)
The Republican Party is an essential component of the Murcan System: its chief function is to prevent the emergence of an actual opposition party.
i agree. It seems the only opposition to the system comes from those who are not already assimilated into the Borg Collective (progressives, Demoncrats and RINO's). The non-progressives therefore must be controlled through the fragmented remains of what was the Republican party who are already mostly Borg assimilations.
^^^ What Greenskeeper Carl said.
I was a Perot voter and and Ron Paul voter.
Now I'm a no voter. I'm writing in my own name as the one true sovereign.
But I enjoy the bread and circus...from a hilltop, far far away.
And if, by some miracle, Trump became the republican candidate...I'm pretty sure the oligarchs would arrange an intersection between him, a kitchen and some CIA-trained "nutcase".
LTER... does it matter? They want a Bush vs Hillary so called election, yeh, Red vs Blue. Does anyone after all this time see any difference between the teams? I remembers us coming to an understanding what more than two years ago? I know you are genuine in your views as much as I am a libertarian. Rand will fall away and whats next Walker as an option instead of Bush III?
In the end I find Trump, whether he is genuine or not, ramping up this 2016 farce and saying stuff that cannot be silenced and the media are playing this all over the world. Either way it will spice up an otherwise dull campaign even if he goes thrid party.
For all we know he is just saying what he feels and the calling out of McStain and Graham was just gold.
Conspiracy be dammed I'm hoping, from far away from the US, that no matter what Trump stays in the race.
Trump: Gold is better than cash. The dollar is not sustainable
https://youtu.be/2_kJKrM_Mxg
coming from the same guy who advocated for draconian gun control, I'd say he should visit a shrink. He's certainly no champion of freedom and that's a fact.
Assume what ever makes you feel good about my post.
All populist leaders intersperse their bullshit with truth. Trump is providing more truthiness than any of the other candidates, which makes things entertaining, for now.
What a breath of fresh air Trump is for these rigged elections. Even if he ends up being another all-talk-no-action candidate, at least he is entertaining us during the P. T. Barnum circus. Trump may be the only person to persuade me to register to vote.
With poll numbers as high as his, just wait until every other candidate starts to jump on the bandwagon and also talk about building a wall on the border, even though they wouldn't dare say that if it weren't for Trump.
Go ahead and register but, when you get your ballot, remember that the only names on it will be vetted and pre-approved names.
Regardless of the party, regardless of the campaign promises and rhetoric, the names will have to pass the litmus test of the ballot controllers.
Regardless of the party, regardless of the campaign promises and rhetoric, the names will have to pass the litmus test of the ballot counters.
So one has to ask what did the controlers see in obama....
Scott Walker has jumped ¤2. Jeb Bush is flushed as of late lastnight. Who is counting pubic hair percentage points.
Frustrated isn't even fucking close Mr. Rubio
Who has certainly been party to creating the frustration and anger.
Ben Carson polls 4th, what-the-actual-fuck?!? This guy has said nothing and done nothing, what kind of poll sample is this?
Affirmative action, political correctness, republican style. People who like being able to say 'I don't dislike Obama because he's black, I support Ben Carson!'
Kinda like how despite rand Paul going back on pretty much everything good he has ever said, people still support him because he is Ron Paul's son, even though in this case, the apple clearly fell a long way from the tree.
People are just stupid. Guess that's all I really needed to say...
Ol' Barry is only half black. I absolutely hate that motherfucking piece of shit's white half.
RCP average of polls puts him at 5th, marginally behind Cruz and 2 ahead of Rubio, with Graham at 15th (no doubt unrecognized talent).
Have you read any of Carson's literature?
Don't paint Carson with the "black" brush.
He writes a pretty conservative platform.
He has been sending out mailers for over a year.
Trumpism will overshadow anything he or any other candidate has to say.
Not that any of it really matters, of course.
Done nothing? How can anyone say that about Dr. Carson? I don't think he's particularly conservative, but is well spoken with a motivation to speak in terms of common sense. Problem is, the leftist ideology rejects what we might believe is common sense. They claim with much fervor that they know the way "forward."
At the oligarch level, what's the difference between conservative and liberal?
The color of their ties and the food at fundraisers, that's pretty much it.
The lies they tell.
At the oligarch level, they are all doormats.
None, two teams owned by the same franchise.
I'm not sure the bar can be lowered any more than it is now.
Last time I looked, the bar was on the ground.
We should make all politicians, especially President, to take the hypocratic oath, the primary responsibility iis to above all things, DO NO HARM.
What makes you think they would honor it?
The Pro-Life republicans are a bunch of hypocrites. They far too often support wars that kill and maim and make refugees of millions of innocents, they support the Orwellian Police State and renegade, trigger happy cops. I'm tired of thie hypocrisy. Most thought Bush hung the moon because he was pro-life. He was more pro-death than Obama -including his complicity in the murder of 3,000 Americans on 911.
A lot of down votes with no counter argument.
I agree the GOP has pandered to the anti-abortion base and for 30 years have accomplished nothing, I don't think they want to. They would loose much of their solid base if roe V wade was overturned. All of those single issue voters might actually think about other issues and they can't have that.
And yes, they have no problem killing anyone, just the unborn... Kind of ironic, isn't it.
The Pro Life GOP is feckless and utterly unwilling to expend any political capital for that or any issue that is in conflict with the DemProgs.
The Beohner, McConnell, Bush Party are collaborationists for the Progressive agenda.
They are either frightened by the Demsocialist or agree with them. Probably a mixture of both. What it means is they, the GOProgs will lie and stab their voters as they have been for years. They'll describe, as Gov. Kasich of Ohio did yesterday with Chris Wallace, Fox Sunday proudly touted progressive progams, like expanding medicaid under the ACA as a "conservative" policy of helping people needing help.
So he and George Bush and dozens more with the GOProgs will call anything that they're done a Conservative policy. We have been eating this duplicitous contempt for us GOP paradim for decades, in particular since GHWB became the POTUS.
GW ran as a "compassionate conservative" which was just a manipulation of the term to cloud and obscure his Progressivism, like his father and like his brother Jeb. I can only name 3 Senators that actually are Conservative/Libertarian: Mike Lee, Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz. The rest on them are Progs; some more fascist - socialist and others more socialist-fascist. Only a few care one wit about the Constitution.
While I don't disagree with any of the viewpoints on the hypocracy of Republicans. Let's keep in mind that Democrats are just as fucking blood-thirsty. Obamadrones on weddings and shit, with the nicely done, double-tap to take out rescuers...what a touch of class. Funding a coup of a democratically elected government, installing cronies and fomenting a civil war...elegance.
If I EVER vote in a national election again it will be some fucked up party like green or commies. Our two dominant parties have no difference bettween them. They're two sides of a coin, two teams owned by a single franchise, two turds in a sewer full of shit. There is nothing that distinguishes them between each other besides red and blue, and cheerleaders and other sporting paraphanelia.
Fuck them both.
The fundamental problem is we that we have people of enormous egos on thier knees with faces in the laps of oligarchs. We don't have anyone, anywhere near the field, that is humble, honest and an actual, everyday, American who has ethics, bills and responsibilities, and manages to contribute to society in various ways of volunteerism or local contributions. What we have to chose from will be selected psychopaths that have pledged their full support to whatever their funders demand. And we are supposed to stand for 'Hail to the Chief' and call some asshole the 'Honorable'...no, I'm done.
I didn't mention the Obamanation because they're simply the enemy within and will in the end drag us out of our homes in the middle of the night if we fail to accept the Party Orthodoxy. I believe that the GOP must be destroyed before the Demsocialists can be properly placed; impaled on poles and meat hooks. The GOP provides cover for the filth of the Demsocialists. Seriously
We are FUBAR anyway.... Might just as well elect the jester as the next liar in chief. Maybe some. Bad dreams for the political theatre set but not much else of harm.
These poll numbers are bullshit.
Meet the zh bs spammers. Wih extreme prejudice.
Trump is showing enormous strength... people will love that...
He has gone from the un-votable unthinkable President to a very very very real contender to many people.
If he wants to go mass market, I think he needs to prove himself on the international stage.
He needs to do an international tour, of Europe, UK and BeiJing. He needs to show that he is "Presidential", and not some rogue commander that's going to start making flippant promises and start blowing things up if he doesn't get his way.
If he can do an international tour with some big smiles and handshakes and without starting WW3, he might actually pull this off!! Unbelievable.
"He (the Donald Trump) needs to do an international tour, of Europe, UK and BeiJing. He needs to show that he is "Presidential", and not some rogue commander that's going to start making flippant promises and start blowing things up if he doesn't get his way. "
like Bush II, who promised to be very, very humble? and later was saying: "you are either with us or against us"?
like Obama, who promised lots of peace, even cashed in a damn Nobel Peace Prize, and yet is using warplanes for "defensive measures" in Syria?
send The Donald, yes. but don't expect the rest of world to believe too much of what he says. and btw, those "Great Tours" are anyway made for domestic US Consumption
Bring our jobs back from overseas.. End NAFTA.. Vote Trump!!
We're gonna need more popcorn.
If Trump gets the ticket, that's what TPTB wanted.
The sheople really have no say.
So enjoy the kabuki, shut up, and choose to eat what's been put on your plate.
Or, defer altogether and go out and get your own 'food'.
The Koch brothers are on my extraordinary rendition waterboarding list because they fund torture due to their familial psychopathology, and bad genetic makeup as well as, upbringing.
Don't tell me you suckle at the Daily Kos, or Harry Reid and just about any socialist living in Merika? I mean Koch Industries employs thousands, many in manufacturing jobs. There's hardly a national politician alive that can even remotely claim that at any time in their lives. Furthermore, those brothers are pretty Libertarian. I fear a Soros, a Styer, and the Gates, Ford, Rockefeller, and McArthur Foundations far more.
Didja see the one tonight?
Did you see a president there?
Question for Trump lovers: Would you trust him with your money?
Question for you, wkould you trust any of the rest of them with your money?
Are you actually saying that a political prospect is driving where you are putting your money?
Ride the dollar for a few more weeks months and then run to PMs.
It has nothing to do with fake personalities pretending to run for US president . He is a fictional jerk.
Compared to whom? The current excrement occupying Wahington, D.C.?
Washington isn't spending my money, they're spending my (unborn) Grandchildren's money. But to answer your question... no. But, to be fair, the only people I trust with my money are my wife and me.
Trumps marketing is superior to his competitors. He is a smart guy who has probably been planning this campaign for a long time and has figured out a nice strategy, hes dominating the issues agenda and keeping his messages very short and simple. Credit where credit is due. I doubt he will fair well outside of the republican voter base as democrat voters find him repulsive.
There are many democrats who would not vote for Clinton. So if you have Hilary vs Trump in the world championship finals, at least from the American point of view, I think Trump has at least as good of a chance. It really sucks that it will probably come to that. I normally vote liberal but not for more Clinton.
Hillary v Trump.....think about that....think really, really hard....
No matter what, we lose. This time is not different.
However, I'd be astonished Trump gets the GOP nomination (both if he can actually win it, and if they will actually give it). Trump is Hillary's best friend. Remember at least ~50% of the voter turnout is going to vote Democrat even if they nominate Lucifer. Trump polarizes people on the right. I would still vote 3rd party and not for him, for example. Hillary doesn't have the same problem on the left.
So... horse-race antics:
Trump wins GOP nomination, Hillary wins the general election
Trump does not win the GOP nomination, enters general election as Independent, pulls GOP voters with him, Hillary wins the election. (remember how narrow the margin of victory typically is, even if only 5% vote Trump that's enough to tip the scales heavily in the Dems' favor)
I've always thought Hillary was too universally hated by the right and distrusted by the center and she wasn't going to win unless the GOP ran a complete assclown. Trump is that assclown.
I don't care for the man that much, but Trump comes off as a winner. B. Clinton does too,,that does not make them good leaders, but it makes them electable. For some reason these parties do not want to win some elections (we all know how that works). But for fuck sake, Bob Dole, John Kerry, Scott Walker, Mike Huchabee,.... These people do not project themselves as winners. Nominate a winner not Al Gore or Lindsey Grahm.
right. they project themselves as ass kissing buffoons
"The contenders also risk appearing beholden to deep-pocketed backers."
Maybe because they are.
TRUMP!
You can't spell TRIUMPH without TRUMP!
Standard Disclaimer: And it's perfect for Twitter...
And you can't spell BUSHWHACKED without BUSH....
you cant spell BULLSHIT without HILLARY
I'm going to laugh when Trump bows out at the last minute. I"m going to laugh so hard at all the "truthers" that got bamboozled.
I hope you choke on a bone, while yer laughing.
"I don’t think you should underestimate how frustrated people are," Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said Sunday.
Rubio ain't qualified to collect too,s on the Florida Turnpike much less to be a senator. Rubio is an out of touch POSER (Piece Of Shit Elitist Republican).
Frustrated? Oh, no! I'm not frustrated! I'm in a berserker rage at the rich and their parasitic elite whores. If my home were infested with vermin like them I'd burn the fucking thing down to the ground and be glad that I did!
Bingo!!!!
Marco's political career was mentored by none other than Jeb Bush. And in any case I will not vote for him after his membership of the Gang of Eight attempting to force amnesty for 30 million illegal aliens under GW's administration. I don't care at all that the Senator has now triangulated his immigration position to dovetail w/ the voters he now courts for his next dream position. Can't truss dat. I'm done w/ eating the lesser of two evils shit sandwich. It just doesnt matter anymore since the DemPublican coalition has been so blatant and in my face since 2010 when the largest swing in congressional seats in 90 years giving the House a mandate to oppose and obstruct the Executive Branch, but failed completely to even try.
Fuckers not elegible to be prez.
Any Trump info is not of any value now. He will self distruct from now to the real election.
It is clown time, in a clown election.
Hillary is a POSED (Piece Of Shit Elitist Democrat).
Just observing the totalitarian liberal fairness doctrine.
Trump is a puppet too. Puppet of Israel and of the FED. Does he ever critize them? NO! There you have it.
Trump is pretty smart and quite entertaining. Does he really want to be president? And if he is serious, how is he actually going to achieve that. He must have thought about that long and hard. The GOP expect him to fade away and he must know that the odds of that happening are pretty high, and that if he does run as an independent, he doesn't really stand a chance. So what's his next step? Beats the fuck out of me.
Awesome ...just plain awesome ... I might vote Trump!!!!
"The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That's the only difference." Ralph Nader
If Trump and that animal on his head makes it, he will shred Hillary and spit her out in little velociraptor pieces.
For the first time in my 37 years of life, I am SUPER EXCITED to watch this debate and it's 100% because of TRUMP.
Gullibility of most of American people never ceases to amaze me. Time and again, another political ploy, a phony candidate that “hates” establishment that brought him to prominence and undeserved, wealth will save us and leads us to Promised Land, a pledge to be broken as soon as we cast our votes like sheep. What a shit. How many times may we believe in the same political trickery devoid of merit until we are declared insane or retarded?
Only boycott has any political weight or visible expression in this corrupt system. Let them be elect themselves by 10% of population then we could claim that their illegitimacy to rule and demand their departure from political realm.
Whole establishment must go!!!. Let's not prostitute our vote no more!!! Let's not be corrupted this time around. Enough is enough!!!
Neither Trump nor well-mannered Greens or anybody who suck tit of establishment won't make any difference if they run or not.
As Stalin once said. It is not important who's being elected or
who votes for who. What matters is who is counting the votes (Bush-Gore 2000,Bush-Kerry 2004).
We should be counting votes if we want to win. We could have easily and cheaply electronic ALTERNATIVE election for alternative programs and ALTERNATIVE candidates (that never run for office and are unaffiliated with any political formation) who would commit to execute those political programs that can truly represent our political aspiration as a nation. Elections, followed all web practically no cost campaign on YT or elsewhere, protected via secure block chain technology guaranteeing accuracy since everyone would be able to check whether his/her vote was counted up. At minimum it could be media event where Americans can voice they vision of America instead of sheeple fest.
The only choice we have for today is absolute boycott of elections as 150 millions of true American patriots are already doing and election after election vastly outnumbering electoral zombies of the American Oligarch Party in their inhumane march into poling/feeding stations to get their rotten meat and in the process to validate murder and mayhem done in our names.
For those who still think they can organize and win "their" election. Here is a gem. The fallacy of this sort of democracy is nowhere better illustrated than in case of Italy where for over 30 years after WWII Italian communist party alone or communist/socialist coalition WON EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL ELECTION and was never asked by president to form government resulting in 39 minority governments all under watchful eye of American protectors of democracy and US navy.
We’re dealing here” with autocratic system disguised as democratic chaos, fake uncertainty or illusion of chance and propaganda of opportunity for all. We might even win, one shot in a billion, in "their" elections but we would never get to rule without blood spilled in the streets.
Agreed Scatha, the blockchain is perfect for voting but the infrastructure needs to exist as a parallel means of voting and let people play with it (it will never pass through congress otherwise). Make it as easy a "liking" something on Faceplant. Also there would need to be an independent 3rd party that would send each voter a text or email or physical mail to state how they actually voted.
"Only boycott has any political weight or visible expression in this corrupt system. Let them be elect themselves by 10% of population then we could claim that their illegitimacy to rule and demand their departure from political realm."
While I understand your frustration with the system, boycotting the election is the stupidest idea that I have ever heard of. It's an excuse to do nothing. The only thing that will guarantee is that ONLY the politicians that advocate continued growth in wasteful government will get voted for.
Do you think you are going to get a medal as a revolutionary for not voting? Just how is it that you expect to enforce your "demand for their departure"?
None of us like the kosher candidates that we have to chose from, but that doesn't mean doing nothing is better. We still have a responsibility to try to minimize the damage if we can.
With almost 40% of the population either on the dole or the government payroll (which is almost like being on the dole these days) the only thing that will happen if those of us that are not on the dole decide not to vote is that another pro big government candidate will be railroaded into office.
How do you expect to get voter turnout down to 10% to execute your strategy, when 40% of the population's paycheck depends on big government. These people have no choice but to continue to vote for the perpetuation of this corrupt system because their livelihood depends on it. They will take the time to vote because they have the ultimate incentive to do so - their livelihood.
Do you really think that your boycott campaign is going to prevent the liberals and corporate welfare types from busing a load of sheep to the poles? All your not voting is going to do is guarantee that the cabalist regime currently in charge, that wants ever bigger and more corrupt government under their control, will be in power next time as well.
Grow up and take a position, or don't expect us to carry you.
Idea of boycott is the only viable idea. It was already done.
In Poland 80% of population worked for government and they voted 98% for ruling party until march of 1980 when boycott reduced voting base to less than 60%. Five months later new independent from government trade union with membership of 10 millions people was created, It was called Solidarity.
Boycott? It can be done man since it was done already.
Polands population was largely a white homogenous population an largely not corrupted by the cabal - a situation that is vastly different than what exists in the US, with its multitude of competing special interests, all beholden to cabalist power and influence.
Also, your example does not represent a situation where the voting base was reduced down to the 10% level that you originally claimed in your post was your target - which was one of the primary falacies that I pointed out in your argument.
Even a drop to 60% of the voting based still represents a substantial and representative plurality of the voting population.
All you have proven by your example is that VOTING WORKS. It looks like the people voiced their views, and got a different government - rather than abdicating their influence by not voting, which your strategy advocates.
The next time I would recommend that you choose an example that supports your argument.
You did not get what I said. 40% o population boycotted of the rigged elections in Poland instead of sheeple like following the leaders like it was for over 40 years before, casting vote for anyone, with no real political change .
Government did nothing positive as a response to people expression of opposition to their rule and did not positively responded to peoples concerns and calls for change but instead introduced martial law and kill hundreds of people and destroyed opposition and intimidated population with tanks on the street. Learn your history
Get it to your preprogrammed head and stop trolling: voting never made any substantial change for good of majority of people and in US never does. (look at Greece)
Unless you are believer in the "CHANGE" delivered by Obama supposedly because of people's vote. War, economic collapse, spying is that what people voted for? But if you do believe in such nonsense, you have a major problem.
You are not in the club so you can stand at the fence and look in but you will never amount to a dam thing or any of your children for eternity either. It is a pointless diversion to think you participate. You have no more say in the affairs of the world than you do with the plot of a movie you see on t v. Forget worry and just tune out.
People of your ilk are the reason we Americans are in this mess.
What a sorry waste of humanity, you are.
This is fucking stupid. As if it matters who is the president
"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, ... The man that controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply." Nathan Rothschild
“Once a nation parts with the control of its currency and credit, it matters not who makes the nation’s laws. … Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most sacred responsibility, all talk of the sovereignty of parliament and of democracy is idle and futile.” — Mackenzie King, Canadian Prime Minister 1935-1948.
Today's central bankers are proving Nathan Rothschild wrong.
There is more to controlling a nation than money as the central bankers are demonstrating so well.
Controlling the conversation may be more important.
i think "Buffoons" suits them better
Only Donald Trump can save America now.
I will take him over a beltway bandit any day. Besides, what the fuck do we have to lose, really? I think he is the only Republican MAN ENOUGH to take on that Hell Hound Souka known as HRC.
And what the fuck is up with Ted Cruz trying to cook bacon on a AR15 rifle barrell on CNN? He just lost the Muslim vote! He is officially Kafir with the American Muzzies!!!!!
No love for Cruz, but
"He just lost the Muslim vote!"
Really? who give a flying Fart about the muslim vote in the USSA?
Dont they want us all dead so they can take over and declare Sharia law anyway?
Who the fuck are the Kooch brothers?? Did they create the Matrix in politiics?
Israeli citizens with vested interests in Zionist organizations arround the world determine, who will be the candidate of Rep.P.
Is this not delightful?
Is it not a beautifull example of zionist fascizm?
Is it not an example of the peak corruption in US and US election system?
This is a shame.
Difference between the politcal class and Trump - they're petrified about saying something wrong that might cause offence. And these days even saying hello to someone can cause offence.
Personally I think he's great, especially his putdowns.
The problem for Trump though is the NSA, because the establishment will let them loose on his ass. is there any real dirt on him, if so you can bet that will all come out.
And all the mugs out there thought the NSA was there to 'protect' them and 'keep us safe'.
Sure, it's REAL goal is protection and safety, but of the establishment not of the peons.
Aren't we at the CORE of what Peanut Carter, dinosaur of old American politics, pointed to ?
THE CoRRUPtION of US politics by its Big Business Oligarchy sponsors who link the Legislative Washington circus to their globalist corporate agenda?
The awesome upcoming contest amongst Repugs will be between a POPULIST billionaire and a bunch of front men for the Oligarchy represented by KOCH's neo-con, ultra-libertarian, tea drinking deep matrix of uber-rich king makers.
Its gonna be ugly as hell and just as corrupted as the legacy on the other side : the so called liberal cabal of Silicon valley hipster Cool Hand Lukes financing the Dukes (and Queen) of the Democratic version of crony capitalism feeding the statist entitlements free spend. Shades of Great Society!
Meanwhile the CBs push their broomsticks desperately to hide under the carpet the incommensurable pile of funny money we call financialized steroid pumped WS assets and Corporate/government bonds.
The show must go on !
And the 99% stay political orphans!
"In contrast to some Palm Beach clubs that to this day do not admit blacks or Jews, Mr. Trump made it a point of admitting them, earning the ire of the town’s Old Guard. As I interviewed Mr. Trump on his plane, he imitated the constricted, nasal tones of blue bloods condemning his club because it does not discriminate."
Read the whole thing:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/3/ronald-kessler-the-two-do...
Puppets? He should have called them Kochsuckers.
imagining there is actual legitamacy to Trump's script, is well... sad.
theater kidz, merely theater. he isnt "man" enough. there is absolutely nothing about being a man here.
shenanigans is all. seeing folks drink this kool aid and imagine he's the real thing. ugh.
every single one of them from jeb, trump, bernie and shillary.. all actors, all bullshit. wake up fools.
Puppets all of them, even Trump surely. But I can't help but indulge in the horse-race antics and think that Trump looks great in polls but once primary/caucus time comes around, he will feel that no one will vote for him. I hear an awful lot of people saying things like "I won't vote for him, but I like that he takes on Washington" etc. etc.
Abortion may seem like a non issue.
If the fetus was just a blob of unimportant tissue, like your appendix or tonsels being removed, i would agree.
Its libertarian to do what you want with your body and let others do likewise.
The limitation on liberty is alwayys when it endangers another person.
Why should 80mph be illegel in a school zone "on school days when Children are present" like the road sign says?
Because your liberty needs to be curbed in certain times and places to prevent harm to little kids who have not yet learned to be 100% careful around traffic.
Why should smoking be banned in public places of assembly? becasue that crap really does cause cancer, and i dont want to get cancer because someone else is too stupid to protect their own body. Sure smoke in your car, home, out in the open places but not in a theater or restaurant. Besides cigarette smell ruins my eggs and bacon.
So with Abortion, the liberty issue FAILS simply becasue the fetus is NOT a blob of uncecessary tissue, its a human. and as a society we should not indicriminantly kill other humans.
(and Fuck all! i do not want my TAX DOLLARS FUNDING the KILLING! WTF PEOPLE???)
I was maybe on the fence on this topic until i viewed my wife's own 12 week ultrasound of our daughter.
HOLY SHIT!! at 12 weeks Thats no Blob, thats a freaken baby, with all the parts, head, eyes mouth, little hands, little feet, little gestures in the womb which turned out to be pre-indicators of her little personality.
What the FREAK???!!! someone else could have aborted her little life, already started there in my wife! and that legal in this country?
Holy EFF! did you know pre mature infants can now survive at mid term? thats over 4 months premature and they have like a 39% chance of survival. Thats not a blob of tissue thats a baby folks.
Abortion really is MURDER!
So life of the little one totally trumps " right to a womans choice with her own body"
Yea that choice ended when she uncrossed her legs, end of story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08/03/tuba-donald-trump-last-leg-ad...
At this point it does not matter who becomes president. The train has already been launched off the cliff and is gaining velocity as it approaches the canyon floor. It has no parachute and its brakes are useless. WE are as a nation headed for financial collapse, racial rioting, martial law and civil war. WWlll is al but inevitable. To stop it we would have to negate the Social security act and end all entitlements. Shutter all foreign military bases and bring our troops home. Dismember the MIC. Flush our unconstitutional money system and live within our means. Pay off all debt.
hahahahahah. Like any of those things could happen as a result of action taken at the voting booth.