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Iran Refuses UN Inspector Access To Scientists, Caught Trying To "Clean Up" Suspected Nuclear Site
Surprise! In what must be the most predictable geopolitical event in recent days, WSJ reports that Iran has refused to let United Nations inspectors interview key scientists and military officers to investigate allegations Tehran maintained a covert nuclear-weapons program. This comes hours after CNN reported that the intelligence community believes Iran has been attempting to clean up the suspected nuclear site at Parchin prior to the arrival of international inspectors based on new satellite imagery. While the administration attempts to 'clear up' any misunderstandings, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker told reporters. "It was not a reassuring meeting...I would say most members left with greater concerns about the inspection regime than we came in with."
For now, the landmark nuclear agreement forged between world powers and Iran on July 14 in Vienna is on hold. As The Wall Street Journal reports, Iran’s stance complicates the International Atomic Energy Agency’s investigation into Tehran’s suspected nuclear-military program—a study that is scheduled to be finished by mid-October, as required by the treaty.
The IAEA and its director-general, Yukiya Amano, have been trying for more than five years to debrief Mohsen Fakhrizadeh-Mahabadi, an Iranian military officer the U.S., Israel and IAEA suspect oversaw weaponization work in Tehran until at least 2003.
Mr. Amano said Tehran still hasn’t agreed to let Mr. Fakhrizadeh or other Iranian military officers and nuclear scientists help the IAEA complete its investigation. The Japanese diplomat indicated that he believed his agency could complete its probe even without access to top-level Iranian personnel.
Tehran has repeatedly denied it ever had a secret nuclear weapons program.
But Mr. Amano said in a 25-minute interview in Washington that Iran still hasn’t agreed to provide access to Mr. Fakhrizadeh or other top Iranian military officers and nuclear scientists to assist the IAEA in completing its probe.
“We don’t know yet,” Mr. Amano said about the agency’s interview requests. “If someone who has a different name to Fakhrizadeh can clarify our issues, that is fine with us.
But, as CNN reports, the intelligence community believes Iran has been attempting to clean up the suspected nuclear site at Parchin prior to the arrival of international inspectors based on new satellite imagery, a senior intelligence official told CNN on Wednesday.
The commercial imagery shows that Iran has moved heavy construction equipment to the area. But the senior intelligence official, who is familiar with the imagery in question, said the U.S. is confident that such sanitization efforts cannot succeed because radioactive materials, if present, are extremely difficult to conceal.
"The (International Atomic Energy Agency) is familiar with sanitization efforts and the international community has confidence in the IAEA's technical expertise," the official said.
Sen. Chris Coons, D-Delaware, told reporters on Tuesday that he has "concerns about the vigorous efforts by Iran to sanitize Parchin."
A furious lobbying effort by both supporters and foes of the Iran nuclear deal continues in the Senate ahead of a mid-September vote on the agreement. On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the Iran debate will begin on the Senate floor on Sept. 8 after the August recess is over.
Mr. Amano visited Capitol Hill on Wednesday in a bid to assure skeptical U.S. lawmakers the IAEA is capable of implementing a vast inspections regime of Iran’s nuclear facilities and clarifying the weaponization issue.
Senate Republicans and skeptical Democrats, however, left the 90-minute closed-door meeting frustrated that Mr. Amano refused to share the agency’s classified agreements on access to Iranian military sites, scientists and documents.
“I would say most members left with greater concerns about the inspection regime than we came in with,” Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R., Tenn.) told reporters. “It was not a reassuring meeting.”
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Somewhere Benjamin Netanyahu is doing "the told you so" dance... as Kerry's deal and Obama's legacy hang by a thread.
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No surprise, Kerry's daughter married a guy who is thick with the mullads.
I thought he was a beanie wearing chap though.
Yawn... let me know when zion submits to nuclear inspections and another country besides uncle satan uses atomic weapons on a civilian population.
Listen to yourselves. It's pathetic.
Inspect and de-nuke Israel with its Religio-Fascist government.
World War 3 is the war in which Humans lost to the machines, forever.
It's clear now why the pentagram and langley used their puppet obongo to press for a treaty... it was never meant to stick, only to be used as a pretext for an Iraq inv-- er I mean an Iran invasion. They're itching so bad to release their MIC load all over Iran, they're not even going to bother ramming it through the congress of criminals first. They're going straight to the "See I told you so, let's bomb them" meme.
They're still playing the same game as if nothing has changed... and maybe it hasn't...
No bitching about Iran inspections until Israel comes clean on Dimona
I don't believe a single word of this story.
"...I don't believe a single word of this story..."
They don't care, MalteseFalcon. The idea is to grease the skids for an Iraqi-style "They're defying the UN and hiding WMDs" invasion. It's Plan B if the Israeli-paid whores in congress can't block the lifting of sanctions. If the Israelis can't get their way through their little bitch U.S. congressmen today, then they'll already have the Plan B invasion groundwork laid thorough the U.N., just like they did in Iraq. It will culminate in a year or so with the U.N. inspectors crying about being denied access to some imaginary nuke site in Iran, followed by a few false flags and the eventual jibbering about Iran hiding WMDs. You see, we'll be FORCED to invade Iran at that point to protect the world (but mostly Tel Aviv). They'll bring Powell out of retirement to PROVE that we must act!
The U.N. weapons inspection program is pivotal to the planned Iranian war. You think the psychopathic fucks orchestrating it would be a little more clever and mix it up for the plebes, but hey... why not stick with what works? Israel can claim that they had nothing to do with the planned war on Iran, just like the Iraqi war. It will be the Iranians (supposedly) defying the U.N. - just like that bastard Saddam Hussein and his secret WMD program in Iraq. We'll be enforcing U.N. 'laws' - not Israeli laws.
What pisses me off most about this isn't the inevitable war where Americans will slaughter Iranians for the benefit of Israel. It's why we still have to give Israel $2 billion a year (soon to be doubled) in military aid when we have to fight their fucking wars FOR them. Shouldn't we get a rebate? Why don't those fuckers pay US? When is Israel going to pay the families of the ten thousand U.S. soldiers that died for their benefit in Iraq? When is Israel going to pay war reparations to the one million Iraqis that died because of Israel?
What is the life of a U.S. soldier worth to that psychopathic fuck Nettanyahu? A thousand bucks? Five hundred? Fifty? We already know what an Iraqi, Syrian and Iranian life is worth to them: absolutely nothing.
You forgot Palestinian. Which, of course, is deliciously ironic. And, well said, I could not agree with you more.
Profanity is the tools of morons that can't otherwise articulate a coherent argument.
Sorry, but the U.S. congress selling out to Israel just brings out the insane moron in me.
Same bullshit propaganda, new enemy / year.
WSJ, 2002
The Case for Toppling Saddam By By Benjamin Netanyahu
This is a dictator who is rapidly expanding his arsenal of biological and chemical weapons, who has used these weapons of mass destruction against his subjects and his neighbors, and who is feverishly trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
http://www.potomac-airfield.com/netanyahu.htm
WSJ, 2015
http://www.wsj.com/articles/netanyahu-urges-american-jews-to-reject-iran...
“Either way the deal gives Iran a clear path to the bomb, a difficult path to one or two bombs today and a much easier path to hundreds of bombs tomorrow,” Mr. Netanyahu said.
You and I dont frequently agree, J_C, but we do here. I don't believe a word of this bullshit. reading all of this shit, and hearing the garbage that spews forth from every single republicrat running or president, feels like i travelled back in time to the propaganda they were putting out right before we invaded iraq.
I very rarely have anything good to say about obama, and i am highly suspicious of anything he does or says, but if the deal with iran prevents another 5 thousands dead US soldiers(and upwards of a million dead iranians), as well as another 2-4 trillion in debt, then its a good thing. Hopefully enough people in this country have recognized the fact that Iraq was a sensless slaughter and a waste of money and won't tolerate another one.
I believe the US Goverment pays the heirs of a slain in combat soldier $100,000.
U.S. military members have life insurance - paid for by their payroll deductions - just like many private employees. $250K IIRC. It doesn't matter if they die in combat or accidentally. They can name anyone the beneficiary. Aside from that, married soldier's spouses (until remarried) and dependents have survivor benefits that can last a lifetime.
I know the U.S. takes care of the families of their fallen soldiers to some degree. My invective was directed at the shadow perpetrators and beneficiaries of the million deaths in the Iraq war - Israel. I wasn't threatened in the least by Iraq before we attacked them - in fact, the U.S. sold Saddam Hussein a lot of military crap and chemical weapons for years so they could kill Iranians in the 80's. Even if Saddam Hussein did have WMDs, he didn't threaten me - ever. And he never would have. Ten thousand U.S. soldiers and a million Iranians died for interests OTHER than those of any citizen of the U.S.
Israel owes the families of the U.S. soldiers compensation for fighting THEIR war and they owe war reparations to Iraq. They also owe Iran for the pain and suffering that thirty years of economic sanctions have caused 80 million people, but they can start by paying back the court-ordered $1.2 billion for that God damn Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline they stold from Iran and have been making money from to this day.
yer, and this on the 70th anniversary of hiroshima and nagasaki
kabuki on rotating stages...
Kerry-Obummer getting deal passed in CONgress;
Ayatolla in Tehran;
Tepco goes to trial in Tokyo.
Russia has just released some classified information about the Hiroshima bombings, a prelude to calling for an International Tribunal into war crimes? The Russian military news site 'tvzvezda.ru' refers to Operation Unthinkable too, which is an interesting move.
"For anyone preparing an operation codenamed "Unthinkable"? Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a rehearsal before the decisive attack?"
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
"The Russian Union of veterans intend to ask the Russian foreign Ministry to become the initiators of the international Tribunal for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This was stated by the leader of the Union of veterans of Afghanistan Franz Klintsevich. According to the Klintsevich, the atomic bombings of the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 and 9 August 1945 was not dictated by military necessity - the U.S. used them in the first place as to intimidate the USSR."
https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/...
Funny they would focus on the atomic bombings as something special. Of course it was - in part - to pre-emptively terrorize the Soviet Union. Any other party to WWII would have done the same thing to some unfortunate city somewhere if they had come up with a usable nuclear weapon first.
Don't the Russians know about the firebombing of Tokyo six months before that? March 10th, I think. More people died in those two days in Tokyo then in either Hiroshima or Nagasaki. I know the West likes to use Hiroshima and Nagasaki as some milestone in inhumanity, but the 150,000 civilians intentionally burnt to death in Tokyo were just as dead as the atomic bomb victims further south. In fact, more people died in a shorter period of time in Tokyo than died the day either atomic bomb was dropped.
334 B-29s packed to the gills with high explosives (to create tinder) and incendiary bombs. There were no specific military targets - they basically burnt half of Tokyo down in an intentional and purposefully-created firestorm to terrorize Japanese civilians. Same reason we firebombed Dresden. The Americans were not particularly fiendish in their actions - they merely borrowed the idea from the Nazis because it worked so well for them in London. Tokyo would have done the exact same thing to New York City if they could have. It was a f'king WAR for Christ's sake.
The lessons from WWII shouldn't be "My genocide was bigger than yours", it should be that war is a particularly bad way to enforce your central banking rules over other countries. But we just never learn, do we?
funny how we americans take being "exceptional" isnt it? we have to be the best at everything, which mostly seems to be the best at being stupid, the best at being fat, and the best at murdering innocent civilians in the most horrible way imaginable. I get it that more people died in the fire bombing of tokyo, but at least firebombing innocent civilians doesnt leave behind radiation that causes suffering, birth defects, and premature death to future generations. Its also worth noting that the US govt knew there were POWs being held in the city before the dropped the atomic bomb. They knew they would kill american POWs, along with over 100k innocent civilians in two cities that had no military value whasoever, and they did it anyway.
And of course, we ALL KNOW what paragons of truthiness the WSJ and CNN are .... such unimpeachable sources of propagan... er .... "information" ....
Gotta love this: the "intelligence community" believes Iran has been attempting to clean up the suspected nuclear site at Parchin prior to the arrival of international inspectors ... and when the people - who's very existence depends on perpetual war - believe something .... it's gotta be true...
@ GF ...let me know when zion submits to nuclear inspections
Yeah - lol - it'll be a cold day in the homeland when Israhell submits to the same shit they demand of everyone else ...
gaius has some serious issues, evidently he's unable to put things in perspective...gaius, how many people you think would've died had we not used atomic weapons?...idiot
Died for what exactly?
Apparently, you are not very good at doing your homework ..
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-reason-america-used-nuclear-weapon...
So when will you check yourself in? You owe an apology to Gaius et al. Don't you think? I'm a USMC vet, and have to courage to say this. The USG and the complicity of "the consent of the governed" are guilty of war crimes. Far worse than that, we are a sick people condoning the use of a so-called inferior race as quite frankly -- lab rats. Regardless of the actions of the Imperial family on Nanking. Do two wrongs make a right? You tell me. I've lived in Japan and been to Peace Park. Have you? For now, I charge you among the top among the pathetic ..
And ..
Oh how the tables turn ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/05/vladimir-putin-the-new-world-ord...
This "American Exceptionalism" has got to stop. It is going to destroy us ..
Bravo!
Now will everyone at ZH simply stop and listen to Dr. Alan Sabrosky:
https://youtu.be/T2TEq5Dhf4o (I comment further here as fooser77)
Then understand how it was done:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/23/mapping-fort-lee-the-truth-behin...
So please listen to this U.S. Marine vet (I'm one as well) and STFU about Iran! What we (USG), Israel, and the UK did to Iran in 1953. Let them have their nukes. They deserve at least one as deterrent against Tel Aviv.
Enough of these red herrings. It is time to get our eye on the ball. Now where is the real outrage?!? Remember the U.S.S. Liberty. Remember the NYFD and NYPD. Remember Able Danger and those that perished in the D and E Rings of the west face of the Pentagon. And above all, follow the fucking money!
https://www.scribd.com/doc/9442970/Collateral-Damage-U-S-Covert-Operatio...
I believe EVERYTHING I read in the WSJ...they only report the TRUTH!
Right, what with all those articles in the WSJ on Israel's covert nuclear weapons.
First of, I would like to say BRAVO!!! the brave reporting at the WSJ and at CNN.
I posted this earlier today at the John Kerry thread. It explains sucksinkly why we cannot allow the mullahs to have the bomb.
Hopefully the madness of a deal with the mullahs will be up-ended in the Senate before its to late.
Iran has been a constant threat to peace and security in the ME for as long as I can remember. Iran is the world’s most active state sponsor of terrorism. It has supported a wide variety of terrorist organizations. Prior to September 11, 2001, Iranian-backed Hezbollah was responsible for the deaths of more Americans than any other terrorist organization in the world, and it remains an extraordinarily deadly terrorist group. During the war in Iraq, Iranian proxies and weapons were responsible for the deaths of more than a thousand American soldiers. Despite the wishful thinking of the Obama Administration surrounding the 2013 selection Hassan Rouhani as Iran’s President, Iran’s support for terrorism has only continued, and its proxies are as violent as ever.
Iran has one of the most aggressive rocket and missile programs in the world. Hamas and Hezbollah have fired thousands of Iranian-produced rockets, projectiles, and missiles against Israel. The Islamic Republic of Iran has developed long-range missiles capable of hitting Israel, and is developing an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile that would be capable of hitting the United States.
Not content with aggression abroad, Iran’s rulers engage in brutal repression at home. Religious minorities, political dissidents, and journalists are subjected to harassment, detention, torture, and even execution. Whatever happens in the coming days, America under our next President will have to deal comprehensively with the threats posed by Iran.
Go spread your neocon bullshit somewhere else. Our historical treatment of the Persians has been reprehensible. No wonder they are scared shitless of us and Israel. I'd be trying to get a nuke too.
How did Bill Hicks use to put it? Oh yea... "suckin satan's pecker, suckin satans peckerrr"
"Tell me when lord" - my favorite Bill Hicks line mocking Bushsatan the first's finger on the button.
Funny you mention that.
Last I heard, there were plenty taliban in Pakistan.
Pakistan has nukes, but that's OK... for some reason.
It's OK because they have them.
Moron! See my response to Spade. Perhaps you two can share a cell together ..
what an absolute load of bollocks! You clearly are not taking into account the actual history of the region nor our own hand in fucking it up very badly and in creating this shite. But hey, enjoy your world view and especially sucking the Neo Con line and cock.
Yours truly, a former journalist who refused to suck the tribes cock or play by their narrative!
Seriously. WSJ? Might as well be The Jerusalem Post.
I bet they both have the same ownership.
There go the rumor mills to demonize Iran now...
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/08/when-you-see-who-was-at-joh...
Secretary of State John Kerry was a driving force behind the recent Iran Nuke deal, in which he caved to give the Iranians their demands.
It has been rarely reported of Kerry’s ties to Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran’s minister of foreign affairs.
Among other things, Zarif’s son was the best man at John Kerry’s daughter’s wedding.
Apparently Kerry’s link to Javad Zarif goes back over a decade when the two met at a soiree hosted by the infamous George Soros in his Manhattan digs.
I don't see it as him "caving" to their demands. I see it as him letting them self-determine with help on safety and oversight.
What is it that Kerry won for America in this agreement?
Inspections?
Really?
You do realize that virtually every Iranian nuclear facility known was secret until discovered.
It has not just been America sanctioning Iran. The UN and most of Europe has supported restraining their nuclear program.
Obama himself says that without this agreement Iran would have a BOMB in six months. This is WITH sanctions. Without, he claims they won't for another ten years....all while Iran claims they have no nuclear weapons intentions. What the fuck are they agreeing to? If they believe Iran should not have nukes, why does it make enough difference if it is six months or ten years if they have no ill intentions to the rest of the world. If they believe Iranians have ill intentions, why would they enable them at all? Aside from what YOU might believe, what credibility does this administration have in these negotiations given their bipolar perspectives? A $150 billion will go a long ways towards whatever their intentions are...but obviously we do not know, and I don't think Obama cares. His agenda is his own legacy and ego, and adding to world chaos is just a bonus.
My primary concern is MY country and what is good for us, just as I'm sure the Iranians feel about their country. This deal IS NOT good for America and I believe it IS good for Iran. In that light I do not think Kerry/Obama got a good deal for America at all. I'm sure there are plenty of corporations extremely please however.
"You do realize that virtually every Iranian nuclear facility known was secret until discovered."
So, if they were so secret, how were they discovered?
Please, give a little credit to technology. With all of our satellites we can tell you how many nose hairs any specific Ayatollah has. Nuclear work is a large undertaking, and radioactive isotopes have a way of declaring themselves, even at low levels.
You usually have some good comments Oldwood. It's sad to see you buying into this BS too. Since the fight over domestic issues is pretty much lost at this point, I guess having another circle-jerk of "Rah, rah, rah go get'em uncle satan!" is the only answer for everyone. Oh hell, I'll join in too... Kick the tires and light the fires! Let's go get'em! Someone pass the Doritos and get me a Bud!
Gaius - no he doesn't. Seems he's been assigned the Iran folder.
Really?
Simply suggest that Obama and Kerry, who seem to be universally despised and derided here every fucking minute of the day are just possibly NOT acting in our best interest, as with every god damn thing else they do and you are a joo lover. It is hilarious to see the joo haters foaming at the mouth when it is suggested that there may be threats besides joos, and how I'm obviously sucking Israel cock for not singling them out ahead of Peace loving Muslims declaring their multigenerational hate for America and our ultimate demise. I'm just simple that way. When someone says they want me dead...silly me, I take them at their word. That doesn't mean I ignore all other threats, it doesn't mean that I think joos are gods chosen people. But you fools could have the mullah's knife jambed up your ass and still be blaming the Zionist pigs behind the screen. With these attitudes Muslims should retain great hopes for their world wide caliphate.
Our defeat will come at our own hands, through internal conflict, but also through failing to identify actual threats. I can appreciate that many here so condemning of joos believe their angst is justified because most are seemingly oblivious to what you see as an obvious threat. I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE WRONG! I'm simply saying that they are not the only threat. And your continual attacks on anyone who is not 100% in lockstep with you IS NOT ADVANCING YOUR CAUSE.
My opinion...for what it's worth.
i for one believe that iran having nukes will bring stability in the middle east. then there is no risk of other countries attacking/invading them. I dont believe that they have any intention of attacking other nuclear powered nation no matter what the media tries to protray.
Are you trolling?
There is no “America” there's only shit. 'Merica is a dysfunctional hoard of various races, religions, cultures, languages, and false ideas, all held together by force with the promise of free shit. There is nothing to defend, there is nothing to fight for, there is only shit.
Everything now centers around how I will keep my family alive and what little I can do to help my White brothers and sisters who aren't dysfunctional.
Admittedly America ain't what it used to be but I still live here and while I believe I live amongst a herd of delusioned fools, that is not to say I do not care about them. America is still my home, and the home of many of my ancestors. If we somehow think our remaining qualities o life are not at risk by outcomes in the ME or the rest of the world, then we truly are deluded. Isolationism does not work when trapped on an island of hungry cannibals. This planet has become an increasingly smaller island with increasing hungry natives eyeing our dwindling remains. To believe that Jews are our only threat, to believe that Iranians and Islamists and Russians and Chinese and all the rest are not looking at us with their hungry eyes is to over simplify and effectively blind us to a predictable end. And to see the disparagement of anyone who attempts to see a bigger picture, gives no hope whatsoever. The world is being parsed and divided. people fearful and looking for easy answers and singular foes to demonize. Obama, Farrakhan, Putin, Khomeini, Netanyahu, Sharpton...an endless list of people seeking power through division and hate.
Its not what I want to see here. We must understand that ALL are potential enemies and while we cannot be at war with everyone, there is no reason to trust them either, as none of them care one shit about us. Its depressing to think this, to not just have a single enemy, but realize our survival is a battle against the world...even members of our own family sometimes.
But I suppose it is trolling to resist the "politically correct" theme of Joo hating on this thread. Sorry, I should have more respect.
there you go conflating joos and Z'ists again. if you dont get that right you will never get the picture right, bro.
The Corporate-Fascist U.S.A.shouldn't be sticking its nose in any other country's business. Who made it the dictator for the world? Is Kerry/Obama the replacement for Adolf Hitler, or Stalin.
U.S.A. alreay screwed up badly in Iran by overthrowing Mosaddegh and installing the murderous Shah.
Down with U.S. fascism.
If any country should give up nuclear arms in the middle east, it is Israel.
So now Obama is your source of facts.
His head caved in when he fell off his bicycle.
Obama and Kerry have a wonderful sense of timing.
Give the cleanup people more time!
Obama gets owned each time, every time. Talk about the JV team.
I'll say it again, if he was actually trying to fuck up everything he touches, what would he do different?
Inverse Midas Touch!
Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerer of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds...Oh lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait `till their judgement day comes, yeah!
Now in darkness, world stops turning,
ashes where the bodies burning.
No more war pigs have the power,
hand of god has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, god is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercy for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings...Oh lord, yeah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jDvEbT0hb8
Reflex in the sky warn you you're gonna die
Storm coming, you'd better hide from the atomic tide
Flashes in the sky turns houses into sties
Turns people into clay, radiation minds decay
Robot minds of robot slaves lead them to atomic rage
plastic flowers, melting sun, fading moon falls upon
dying world of radiation, victims of mad frustration
Burning globe of oxy'n fire, like electric funeral pyre
Buildings crashing down to a cracking ground
Rivers turn to wood, ice melting to flood
Earth lies in death bed, clouds cry water dead
Tearing life away, here's the burning pay
And so in the sky shines the electric eye
supernatural king takes earth under his wing
Heaven's golden chorus sings, Hell's angels flap their wings
Evil souls fall to Hell, ever trapped in burning cells!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF71fabjPVE
Exactly!!
Kerry 21st century Chamberlain
You really think he has what it takes to pull of the lead in "Shogun" or "The Thorn Birds"?
I guess it takes one to know one....
I guess you have not read much of the history surrounding the circumstances I'm sure you are referring to.
If Britain had gone to war any earlier than they did, the world would be a very different place. Hitler would have won.
Not that it matters, the Fascists have won anyway, using the banking system instead of the military.
If you have no knowledge of a subject, always better not to opine, IMHO
"Surprise! In what must be the most predictable geopolitical event in recent days, WSJ reportsthat Iran has refused to let United Nations inspectors interview key scientists and military officers to investigate allegations Tehran maintained a covert nuclear-weapons program."
What!?
Unpossible! O'Barry just gave a speech today praising his own Kingly Deal!
Liars! ;-)
Trust, but verify nothing.
Obozo the Manfificent has spoken.
What assholes would "trust" USA anyway?
What's trust got to do with it?
- Tina Turner
Funny thing is the Banksters are the ones that pushed this through, salivating to get at the 180B of "frozen" funds since 1979. Kick the can down the road a little longer and all that....
hahahahahaha
It's alwys about money, the "nuke" bullshit is just that. 100% bullshit.
Uh, it's the WSJ.
Hasbara trolls are busy tonight, must be bonuses on offer for hitting targets.
If you sell your soul, you might as well go all out.
Liars is a term that relieves them of legal culpability. I'd be thinking more towards criminal or treasonous.
'Cause I am most ill and I'm rhymin' and stealin' - Beastie Boys - Licensed to lll
The last moron that allowed the international community to inspect their so-called weapon sites to confirm his country was completely defenseless ended up hanging on the end of a rope.
Pretty sure Kim Jung-il's son sent him through a wood chipper.
Ohhh, you meant someone else! ;-)
A Zionist rag demonizing Iran.
Imagine my complete lack of surprise.
Indeed. I'd be more concerned about nukes up the road in Tel Aviv where the real stenchful den of vile, vampire terrorists breed.
Such easy work.
I understand the contempt many have for our government and policies.
What I don't understand is the apparent love and respect for Iran.
Are we stupid?
Do we really think we have any friends, especially in the ME?
Do we really think there is ANYTHING we can do to have friends in the ME?
It should be obvious above all things that these people NEVER forget or forgive.
I have little doubt that if we were ever attacked by radical Muslims, our greater threat will be our own government pursuing its political correct policies that demand that no one defend themselves, especially if those attacking are a "minority". Hate crimes they call it.
There really is no way out of this quagmire. We piss on and piss off half of the world and then have an administration who proceeds to apologize while droning them, disposes of their governments, leaving countries in complete chaos, and busily incentivizes division and hate in our own country, and then sits back and demand accolades for his peacemaking achievements.
Ya, the knee jerk pro-assholeism around here is a bit pathetic. I don't know what people here don't understand about Iran having been working to develop nukes for years. I know, I'm not supposed to believe anything because everything is fake - so I'm supposed to believe the exact opposite of everything I see and suspect because that is the only way to get to the "truth." Makes people retarded and there seems to be no shortage of that around here. If I had a nickel everytime started screaming about gold on here and was proven wrong... why should I believe them about geopolitics?
The last time Iran attacked anyone was when exactly??????
I'll tell you: 1798.
Iran is probably one of the most responsible countries in the world to have nukes. Certainly the Israelis shouldn't have them. They're completely unhinged. The United States sure as fuck shouldn't have them. They actually used them on innocent civilians NEEDLESSLY; just wanted to experiment and see shadows of kids burned into concrete walls and all that. So yea, nobody with any rational thought in their head should give a flying fuck if Iran has a couple nukes.
You want to make the world safer from nuclear annihilation? Get the US nukes off hair trigger launch capability, take them off the missiles and put them on a shelf, where any fucking idiot nutjob on a power trip (pretty much everyone in D.C.) can't destroy the world.
Iran according to the propaganda agencies has also been six months away from having a nuke (oh hide the children) since 1981. Iran also has the largest Jewish population outside of Israel, and they have all the same rights as other citizens with exception of being a military officer or a senior person in politics. You cannot say the same for the palestinians who are shot at like wild dogs daily by the IDF. But Israel is a first world "democracy"... yea fucking right.
Hmmmm....
Let's think....
Why would the US be short of friends in the ME, when they've done so much to improve the lives of the people living there?
Any thoughts?
And given your implication that we justifiably have no friends in the ME, why would we assume they would do anything that benefitted us? While personally I think much of their beliefs are nuts, I will give them credit for holding a grudge and never giving up. If we can logically assume that these people truly do hate us, as they often publically state, and with just cause, why is it irrational to suspect the intend us harm??? A rational question I think. And when was the last time they held the military and technological superiority to believe they could successfully perpetrate a war on anyone? They have been mired in stone age ideology for hundreds of years. Not until oil....which they neither discovered or developed, provided them the wealth to not create, but purchase such power, have they been a threat. To simply suggest that militarily they are no threat because of their history denies everything they have worked to achieve over recent decades. I suppose because China has not been a military threat for hundreds of years, we should ignore their massive military buildup and wealth as a threat. And what of North Korea? Should we ignore them as well given they have never invaded their neighbors (they consider South Korea as their sovereign territory)? There are plenty of threats out there, as well as some considerable ones from within. I do not support the level of intervention we have practiced, but at this late date I think it foolhardy to simply ignore nations who have openly threatened us, especially when we can agree they have reason to hate us.
"Tehran maintained a covert nuclear-weapons program."
They'd have to be pretty dumb not to.
What about Japan's secret nuclear program. Recall the amount of Plutonium stored under their regime. Makes me wondernot about the truth. Makes me wonder about the whole truth. BWDIK
Affirmative Action Barry Soetoro cannot be trusted.
I cannot see any reason to trust the Iranian mullahs and ayatollahs.
Why should either party trust the other?
As an American Indian, I have to note it is possible that there may be a treaty that the United States government has not violated.
Treaties are not about winning the game but about moving the goal posts. Creating opportunities for "special" people. We have seen our presidents give away our trade advantages, our technical secrets, virtually anything to claim some historic agreement that ALWAYS leaves our ass bleeding.
I would agree, kinda.
The 'special' people you refer to are those playing the game.
The rest of humanity are the pieces they play with.
I dont want any part in that game and have a big problem with knowing I am forced to be one of the game tokens.
Don't understand your downs.
People assume I suck joo cock simply because I won't suck theirs.
If you actually believed the US government was a representative democracy (republic) and answered to the people; what interest does the US have in what Iran does or doesn't do? Sanctions, i.e. blockades are acts of war per Geneva conventions. Also what Iran does in their own backyard is none of the US's goddamn business actually. I'm pretty sure sending in the CIA to topple a real democratic government and installing a puppet dictator is an act of war (Sha era). So, Iran has actually been pretty damn neighborly about the whole situation so far.
Why is this being taken more seriously here, than all the other news speak churned out by the ministries of truth? On what evidence? The old "they got WMDs" evidence again?
Obvious set up opportunity if you ask me.
I think it was more the fact that they turned away/cutoff United Nations inspectors. Cuz, ya know, peace, love, kumbaya, the vibe man.
Now where did I put my tamborine? Oh yeah, the attic! ;-)
Mine's safely packed away in the bomb shelter, where I maintain a valuable collection of pre-nuclear cultural artifacts that will serve as the foundation of a new consciousness once we emerge from the wreckage.
Be scared sheople, be very very scared. Hans Blix was wrong. Don’t listen to him.
Iran has N bombs. Too much time effort money help went into it. Far more than Nth Korea or Pakistan
Ya, but you're talking about the middle east here, not exactly the brightest bulbs on the tree. Pakistan ain't that much better but they had a direct line to China on that.
Them stupid Ayrabs only gave us our number system, the beginnings of medicine and astronomy.
Civilization began where?
Useless sods!
And then took a couple of thousand year time out.
Lots of productive societies die on the vine. Will we be one also? Humans seem to plateau and then proceed to coast on their accomplishments and then hubris until they find themselves dead in the ditch...exactly where they started. Looks like that is our path. We are busily discarding and burning down everything that contributed to our success, expecting to simply coast along on past accomplishments, using the redistributed wealth to facilitate it....until they run out of other people's money. By then we will have lost our skills and values that created productivity and prosperity, requiring generations to reaquire them.
People dont research enough 20+ years work with help from three nuclear bomb states. Billions and billions of $. Nth Korea did it in 7 yrs. No they have them and were refining the computer sims that can replicate tests in the last 2 yrs. All done now. Hence deal.
Oh no, I'm scared. Please take away my freedoms, government.
Nominated for Best Thread Comment of The Day
+1000
This item is part of Murdock's participation in the propaganda program of those opposed to the Iran deal. Note how we persist in making propaganda hay out of events that ended more than 10 years ago ! What's more, IMO, Iran's refusal of access to its scientists by IAEA inspectors is well founded, given the fact that it is probable that the IAEA team contains CIA operatives (it has happened before), and a number of Iran's scientists have been assassinated by Mossad agents. We should also keep in mind that the present director of the IAEA was put in the job by US insistence, after the US found that the previous director (an Egyptian whose name I forget) was insufficiently pliable to US demands.
These are CIA Outlets aren't they?
So, Obama doesn't have a lid on this.
And coincidentally the neocons, Defense Lobby, Defense Think Tanks have been whining about Defense Readiness, and itching to spend money in Iraq and restart the wars.
How do we even know this ever happened??!!!
You know we have massive plans in restructuring the US Forces with High Tech and Drones.
These Sickos want to start a war in Iran like it was their first hot date with a car.
"In what must be the most predictable geopolitical event in recent days, WSJ reports that Iran has refused to let United Nations inspectors interview key scientists and military officers to investigate allegations Tehran maintained a covert nuclear-weapons program."
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What now Obola?
Well that just about it, isn’t it? We can only take so much, right? I say we put the bombers in the air and get the missiles on the way. It’s obvious the Iranians want war and they want it on their own soil.
Surely, this will end it all, and finally Bibi can be happy again; the potential acreage for Greater Israel finally will be cleared of all human debris, except for the Jews. (Do I really need to say this is bitter sarc?)
And that’s why the Republican leadership put a warmonger like Bob Corker in the chairman’s seat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Meanwhile, if Americans don’t wake up to the direction the American Empire is taking all of us, with its Israeli foreign policy, then God help us because no one else will.
By the way, who can believe these planted stories in the midst of the milllions of dollars now being spent to marshal the Americans against the nuclear peace treaty that is to become for the Congress? And how many times over the years has "US intelligience" or "Israeli intelligence" told us Iran is building a nuclear weapon and it is almost ready? How many times?
And this is one more.
"Well that just about it, isn’t it? We can only take so much, right? I say we put the bombers in the air and get the missiles on the way. It’s obvious the Iranians want war and they want it on their own soil."
Brilliant JR, brilliant.
I have some ideas J.R. ;-)
As an example; Sue Ellen wants some space, and J.R. complies.
J.R. reads some utility bills, while Sue Eleen sleeps.
When Sue Ellen emerges from her slumber, J.R. has ringsaround his eyes.
J.R. in all his Vanity says, I'm tired, just as Sue Ellen is in horny
(estress)
Okay, enough banter. Mr. Yellen and the markets are in estress.
The Fed. knows they over~shot.
But Persia Freed the Jews to return from Assyria back to Judea.
Why would Eastern European Jews want to war with Persia.
Edit: What no Comment for the Down Vote, Boze-Allen?
So just tell me...am I nuts here?
For years I have been hearing that Obama and Kerry were possibly the Antichrist and now they have become the prince of Peace? And the Republicans, who have capitulated to every Obama bill and signing are weak and unprincipled, until now, when their opposition to a treaty that most here support while also agreeing is largely unenforceable, are now the neocon, joo boot licking antichrists. This has all become too surreal for me.
Progressives, who tend to be more joo than less, are traditionally less supportive of Israel than the largely Christian right. It seems to me that our zerohedge theme is to simply hate everyone and the more western, the more we are supposed to hate them. Americans are the worst as they are evil politicians or worse still the sheeple that vote for them, or worse even still, they are business people who are willing to wade into the corruption to their eyeballs to succeed. It seems we are to hate ourselves the most....maybe not our own person, but anyone who looks like us...our mirror image. This really can't end well...at all.
This "Iran goes nuclear" is a long-burning-issue, like Palestina and North Korea. If the Iranians wanted they had a nuclear device since long. If they indeed had a nuclear device they might be better served to conduct a test explosion because that would terminate the ugly debate once and forever and everybody could continue to get on with their lives.
Stuxnet? Maybe Hillary's spare thumb drive.
I am shocked to hear that the neocon editors of the WSJ suddenly surfaced this story. Expect more similar predictions of apocalypse from those who would profit handsomely from war with Iran.
Yeah...but...but...our beloved dear leader Obama himself TODAY said this treaty with Iran is the best thing since sliced bread and it's HISTORICAL!!
Breakin' my balls Hans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TEvacFETvM
Let's not forget that Obola assured us that sanctions can be switched back on like a light switch.
lol
Iran's 'supreme' leader recently published a book in which he describes how both Israel and the US will be wiped of the face of the earth. Does not really build confidence.
You're not supposed to say things like that around here Joe - it's too obvious! Also, some "ziocon" or whatever must have been the real author - EVERYONE here KNOWS that, right guys?
Does the 'A' stand for Arsehole?
It should.
Is that all you can come up with? It show the weakness of your reasoning.
A nuclear Iran will change everything in the ME. You'd get a nuclear arms race there and maybe (hopefully not) the use of nuclear weapons in that area.
Today marks the 70th anniversary of the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima. 3 days later the bombing of Nagasaki. These bombings were war crimes on civilian targets. The war was ending there. The US invasion was not going to be until November, the SU declared war on Japan and Japan already has accepted surrender with one condition: that they could keep their emperor. The US wanted a total unconditional surrender (but allowed Japan to keep their emperor later anyway).
Let's try to keep the proliferation of nuclear weapons under control.
Agree, so lets take them away from Israel and dismantle their Samson Option program. Btw, next time you make a claim like about that book, post the source link with it at the very least.
Let's take them away from anybody but that is unrealistic.
Here is a link regarding that book. Ok, it comes from Breitbart, a site I visit to see what the right in America is up to/believes in. So take it with a grain of salt but it is no secret that this 'supreme' leader regularly and currently calls for the descruction of both America and Israel. Think whatever you think of that but that fact cannot be denied. Just home front rethorics? Iran wants to become a regional player and for that it wants nuclear weapons. That would also make sure that they'd be left alone.
I still see no link.
The last tyme the Iranian's let the outside world talk to it's scientist they were assassinated by the dozens.
Mossad was having a killing`field'day,... with the [IAEA] Int'l Atomic Energy Agency.
If Iran were to expose these brilliant engineers and science people to the likes of the CIA and Mossad under the western umbrella coverage of NGO's/ Journalist BS[!] trying to verify data that's been verified a decade by the IAEA[!], the Ayatollahshould be triedfor treason.
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_ElBaradei
Satellite imagery... you mean similar to those used last time to "prove" Russian tanks in Ukraine?
yea, and the same satellites General Dickhead Colin TRAITOR Powell used to spin a thread about Iraqi James Bond mobile chemical weapons plants...
The stupid, it hurts! MAKE IT STOP!!!
Photoshop!
I work with it every day.
I know what I can do with it.
Some can do better.
Believe half of what you (personally) see, and none of what you read (or 'see' in print)
John F'in Kerry did one helluva job. What a bunch of fuck ups.
Did the UN make a treaty with Iran? I must have missed that news.
The UN is not a country and cannot make a treaty ... can't do anything, really.
Iran, through their interpretor Valerie Jarret, told the UN "No!"
I'm sick of MY money being used to prop up SOMEBODY ELSE'S empire in the mid-east. We could save a ton of money by just nuking Israel ourselves, thus ending the need to spend all of MY money defending them.
You now have less than two years to get as far away from New York and Washington DC as possible. The clock is ticking...
You now have about a decade to find a new planet.
Good luck!
NK is keeping their fucking yap shut the Fuck up!! They know Cuba went uietly into the USA zone. Iran is in the cross hairs now. Ol Kim is quietly going to Haul ass somewhere safe.
"CNN Says....:" - You Got To Be Fucking Kidding Me....CNN? Really?....CompletelyNetanyahuNetwork...
please give Iran nukes.
Jew Solomon of the Jew Street Journal and Communist News Network are not to be trusted. In the book of Titus, it states, "do not believe in jewish fables"
Trouble is, there's probably something in some Jewish book that says 'do not believe in guys like Titus'
They are just books written a long time ago when people knew fuck all about anything, so the the Powers That Were could fuck over the average guy.
Some things NEVER change.
Watch out. Israel make take the law into it's own hands after hearing this report. Bombs away.
fuck hook-nosed rat-faced zionists....just saying
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Ask Israel for help in the matter.Ask them to come clean in Israel on getting inspected on the condition that Iran first does.Question is,will the head Ayatollah get caught telling lies to the world and Israel get caught telling lies about how big their nuclear missile stockpile really is along with the tonnage of the missiles.(Israel is also suspected of having MERVS).
who didn't think Iran wouldn't get what ever they wanted.
Israel has their 99%, of expendable population, just as america.
Iran has oil, and gas, and a very advantageous geopolitcal location.
probably why there was Saudi- Russian talks a while back.. and reported Saudi, Israeli talks also
may be the Saudis, and Israeli's feel their getting on the wrong side of Americas trustworthy politicians, and the BIS.
"Iran Refuses UN Inspector Access To Scientists, Caught Trying To "Clean Up" Suspected Nuclear Site"
And who inspects Israel's nuclear program?
By all accounts, Israel is the leading disregarder and ignorer of UN resolutions.
Zionist Rule 13: I threaten you with annihilation. You don't threaten me.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
The sooner Iran develops a nuclear weapon and forestalls an Israeli or US attack the better for them and for us.
WASHINGTON – On a day when Iran and Western powers announced they had reached a framework of a deal, a highly informed and keen-eyed analyst believes the Obama administration wasn’t actually trying to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
In fact, just the opposite.
“If Iran wanted to be nuclear, that was fine with this administration. I really think that’s their policy,” said Middle East specialist Clare Lopez of the Center for Security Policy.
Lopez described the talks with Iran talks as a diplomatic kabuki dance intended to cover up the awful truth: Iran already has what it wants.
“All the evidence suggests Iran already has nuclear warheads,” she told WND.
Worse yet, she said the Obama administration almost certainly knows that
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/all-evidence-suggests-iran-already-has-nuclea...
After reading the article, I smell BS. Much of the evidence the article refers to has been determined to be Isreali Mossad written all over it (blueprints, laptop, etc.). More scaremongering. And Iran does not have ICBMs - they have missile capable of reaching Israel, but not Europe and the USA. Total BS.
Forget Mossad / Cia. Think time, $, effort, assistance. They must have some.
Cleaning up? They could use these guys in Fukashima.
Think of how much money the MSM will save with headlines and graphics this time around. All they need to do is change one letter. It looks like everything is setup to play out identically, lies and all.
Iran with the nukes, who care?
Iran with the nukes, who care?
"the intelligence community believes". Wow! That's hard proof right there. How does this square with the title of this article, which says Iran was "caught".? Don't forget, thises are the same people who claimed Sadaam had a nuclear bomb and mobile chemical warfare labs.
Does Netanyahu write for Zero Hedge now?