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John Kerry Pleads To Avoid "Ultimate Screwing" Of Iran's Ayatollah, As Obama Scrambles To Pass Iran Deal

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As resistance to Obama's Iran deal rises, the full court press by the administration to garner popular support behind what is a largely unpopular deal, if only in Congress, is on. Although with such spokespeople as John Kerry, one wonders if it Obama isn't just looking for a scapegoat on whome to blame the collapse of what was presented as a "sure" deal.

In an interview on TheAtlantic.com earlier today, John Kerry warned that if Congress rejects the Iran deal, it will confirm the anti-U.S. suspicions harbored by the Iranian supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Quote the Secretary of State:

"The ayatollah constantly believed that we are untrustworthy, that you can’t negotiate with us, that we will screw them. This will be the ultimate screwing. We cut a deal, we stand up, it’s announced, five other countries believe in it—six other countries, because Iran signs off, and we’re the seventh—but you know, China, Russia, France, Germany, Britain, all sign off.

 

Now the United States Congress will prove the ayatollah’s suspicion, and there’s no way he’s ever coming back. He will not come back to negotiate. Out of dignity, out of a suspicion that you can’t trust America. America is not going to negotiate in good faith."

So in order to avoid inconveniencing an "ultimately screwed" Ayatollah, it would be best to just steamroll over all Congressional objections?

And here is a live feed of Obama promising that "if Iran cheats we can catch them and we will."


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Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:31 | 6393723 JustObserving
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So in order to avoid inconveniencing an "ultimately screwed" Ayatollah, it would be best to just steamroll over all Congressional objections?

A Neocon lusting for war with Iran could not have said it any better.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:33 | 6393734 HonkyShogun
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Straight from the horses mouth...

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:35 | 6393749 Winston Churchill
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Close, but the other end of the digestive tract.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:40 | 6393775 remain calm
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Looks like the Ayatollah dick slapped Kerry under the left eye.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:45 | 6393809 NoDebt
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Harry Reid let him use his exercise equipment.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:47 | 6393826 Bush Baby
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Kerry should ride his bike in Iran

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:57 | 6393875 eatthebanksters
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Why the fuck is Kerry so worried about what they think of us?  Shouldn't it be about what we think of them?  Fuck me, what a loser this guy is...

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:21 | 6393990 Big Corked Boots
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Actually, Kerry is concerned about what the world thinks of him...

and his boss, too.

"We" don't enter into it.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:34 | 6394054 Headbanger
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AYATOLLAH IS A ASSAHOLLA!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:49 | 6394104 bigkahuna
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.gov is busy screwing us, why should we worry about the Ayatollas?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:01 | 6394153 NoVa
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We've seen this tactic before >  "ACA, you must pass it to find out what's in it"

Oblamo / Kerry (and Clinton who started this rolling) are unbelievable.  to negotiate a deal like that and then tell the world the US has no alternative - 

 

just shaking my head in disgust.

 

NoVa

 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:20 | 6394219 0b1knob
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Everybody on the Kerry-Iran love boat, and swiftly!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:29 | 6394259 TBT or not TBT
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Will he throw his Nobel over a fence?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:38 | 6394300 FreeMoney
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Why the great urgency for a deal with Iran.  How does this benefit the USA?  Obviously where Kerry and Obama lead, cajole, threaten, beg, plead, the best interests of the people are subjugated.  but this time to who?  Who is the biggest beneficiary of this?  Iran.  The lovely, charming death to america croud.

Treason.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 19:54 | 6394904 Paveway IV
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"...Why the great urgency for a deal with Iran..."

So we stop being psychopaths doing Israel's bidding? Because the only reason we ever sanctioned the 80 million people in Iran to begin with was Israel. Iran was no threat to us or any other western power. In fact, they were no threat to anyone besides Saddam Hussein (but he attacked them, if I remember correctly). The longer Iran is sanctioned, the more pissed they become. The whole idea was to goad them into either an unwinable war with the West, or regieme change. Nukes had nothing to do with it besides make a demand that we knew they would never agree to. Iranians knew what we were doing (as Israel's little lapdog) at never took the bait. In other words, the sanctions were, are and always will be a complete failure that are nothing but a sick, psychopathic punishment for someone that refuses to be Israel's little bitch. 

"...How does this benefit the USA?..."

When the biggest economic power on earth conspires with everyone else to sanction a country, it's an overt act of war. In fact, it's how U.S. forced Japan into WWII - read some history. It benefits us to NOT BE bullies and dicks (at the behest of Israel) and continue to punish 80 million people in order to get them to revolt or attack us or remain weak enough so Israel can attack them at will.

"...Obviously where Kerry and Obama lead, cajole, threaten, beg, plead, the best interests of the people are subjugated..."

Who gives a shit WHAT they do? In this specific instance, lifting sanctions on Iran subjugates NO U.S. CITIZEN'S interests except the treasonous dual-citizen, Israeli-firsters fucks in Congress and their Israeli masters. I won't even get into the oil companies that are still all butt-hurt that they couldn't rape the Iranians of their oil.

"...but this time to who?  Who is the biggest beneficiary of this?  Iran..."

So lifting three decades of punishing economic sanctions against 80 million people is a BENEFIT? How about I come over your house and beat the crap out of you with a baseball bat for three days at Bibi's 'request'. You can argue how you are worthy of the 'benefit' of me stopping. Quit using your hasbara logic - the U.S. has been making 80 million people SUFFER, you ignorant fuck. The benefit is we stop making people suffer because they won't 'behave' according to the psychopathic fucks in Israel. Why don't you move to Israel if you hate Iran so much? Why do you insist on using my tax dollars to be a dick to 80 million people that never threatened you?

"...The lovely, charming death to america croud..."

I see you've polled all 80 million Iranians and have come to this well-though out conclusion.

Tip for psychopaths: quit fucking with a nation of 80 million people that never bothered us. Quit punishing civilians because you don't like the government. Quit being Israel's little bitch and slapping much smaller, helpless nations around. Then maybe 80 million people in Iran (and most of the other six billion people on earth) wouldn't hate the United States to begin with.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:44 | 6394088 greyghost
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doesn't matter if the u.s. goes along or not. Iranian oil will hit the market because the other countries will sign on. no more one way U.S. policy that screws everyone else. the neocons will see to it that the U.S. is left out of any trade deals in the future. why stop with shooting yourself in one foot, when you have two. some how the dick cheney view of the world doesn't exist and never did.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 15:11 | 6394421 steelhead23
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Bingo!  If the U.S. welches on this deal it will be the U.S. that loses, not Iran.  The U.S. is seeking Iran's help against ISIS and surely won't get it if this deal collapses.  Also, Iran is supplying the revolutionaries in Yemen and the U.S. would like them to stop.  Good luck with that absent improved relations.  And the deal goes a long way to defuse the potential for WWIII.  Thank god the ZH commentariat doesn't rule the country.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 19:50 | 6395462 pilager
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Pfffttt! Well, if Russia and china sign on then must be a good deal. Thank God we have horse face representing us.

You derrilick, when your done celebrating your supreme court ruler of a few weeks okay come up for air and look around. The reset button or be my friend organizer doesn't work with people that want to kill you. They would enslave you, torture you and do things to you could not imagine.

Since you like things in your butt, I'm sure they would find lots of things to jam in there... Like, your head. As far as helping with Isis.... You Moran, you think because of a talking horse they will stop supplying.

Why do you hate this country so much? Huh? Why! Tell us!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:58 | 6394136 Hal n back
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I guess we did not play hardball with Iran otherwise they would love to get out of the deal. Did Iran play hardball with our negotiation team?

 

Obama has always better as a candidate.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:01 | 6393905 kralizec
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His exercise equipment must go by the name "Frankie".

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:45 | 6393814 Stackers
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"if Iran cheats we can catch them and we will."

and we will give them a stern talking to about it when we do catch them. Heck there might even be some stern finger wagging and lowered eye brows pointed in there direction ........ that'll show em

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:00 | 6393899 Fairly_Uncertain
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If you like your doctor ...

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:01 | 6393903 eatthebanksters
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Barry doesn't want to be embarrased...

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:50 | 6394107 bigkahuna
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catch and release

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:47 | 6393825 cnmcdee
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Here is the reality  - the last two 'super-jubilees'  of 1917, and 1967 saw Israel obtaining large amounts of land - usually as the result of war. 

This time will be no different, the Super Jubilee will begin September 23, 2015 and end in September, 2016.  They *will* go to war with Iran, and they *will* gain a bunch of territory.

Whatever is left of this stock market after this fall's Shemitah will be pretty much destroyed when nuclear warheads are required by Israel in order to penetrate the deep underground bunkers that Iran has..

 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:09 | 6393948 Rockatanski
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if that happens, it will be something to behold. will the unwashed masses get jubilee too though?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:52 | 6394117 bigkahuna
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we dont get anything we dont take

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:41 | 6394075 Doctor Faustus
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WTF? 1917? I don't recall there even being an Israel then. Are you referring to the Balfour Declaration where Britain was in favor for a place for the Jews? 

And gaining large amounts of land? As I recall, Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt and Gaza back to the Pali's. Did it ever occur to anyone that Israel just wants to be left the fuck alone? Without a bunch of Arab (and Iranian) countries constantly threatening them with destruction?

Now, time for all you anti-Jewish types to accuse of being a Khazar, Hasbara troll, etc. so let the down arrows commence.

 

 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:49 | 6394102 SamAdams
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Territory, created by Balfour Declaration and run by the Brits.

State 1948, same time America found enemies in the Middle East.  Been that way ever since.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:40 | 6394316 NuTroll
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Jubilees have to be counted from entry into the land? There was no end to diaspora in 1917, declaration notwithstanding. 1948 is when youd have to count.

Anyway 1917 + 50 (assuming 50 and not 49) = 1967
1967 + 50 = ?
2017

Why you no math?

*The super Jubilee can't even be announced until sept(ish) of 2016 (Yom Kippur) and wouldn't start until the next religious year (probably march).

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:46 | 6393818 KnuckleDragger-X
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Kerry wanting that sweet, sweet man-love for himself.....

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:33 | 6393737 Bush Baby
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Fuck Kerry - What an ass

And you wonder why people want to vote Trump

 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:37 | 6393760 Fishthatlived
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Excuse me, but were we at war with Iran prior to the start of these "negotiations?"

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:55 | 6393863 JLee2027
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Yes. Obama is at war with everyone he can be.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:32 | 6393984 steveharless
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KERRY DEFINATELY HAS AMERICAN INTERESTS IN MIND....NOT!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:11 | 6394185 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

So in order to avoid inconveniencing an "ultimately screwed" Ayatollah, it would be best to just steamroll over all Congressional objections?
A Neocon lusting for war with Iran could not have said it any better.

Yeah, I noticed that too. Looks like the short-bus Tyler has struck again. Must be the one that's related to Michael Ramirez.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:32 | 6393729 i_call_you_my_base
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Same bullshit strongarming they are doing with TPP. We'll make a deal and then extort you into going along with it.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:17 | 6393971 formadesika3
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— Same bullshit strongarming they are doing with TPP. We'll make a deal and then extort you into going along with it.

 

Exactly. Hopefully the madness of a deal with the mullahs will be up-ended in the Senate before its to late.

 

Iran has been a constant threat to peace and security in the ME for as long as I can remember. Iran is the world’s most active state sponsor of terrorism. It has supported a wide variety of terrorist organizations. Prior to September 11, 2001, Iranian-backed Hezbollah was responsible for the deaths of more Americans than any other terrorist organization in the world, and it remains an extraordinarily deadly terrorist group. During the war in Iraq, Iranian proxies and weapons were responsible for the deaths of more than a thousand American soldiers. Despite the wishful thinking of the Obama Administration surrounding the 2013 selection Hassan Rouhani as Iran’s President, Iran’s support for terrorism has only continued, and its proxies are as violent as ever.

 

Iran has one of the most aggressive rocket and missile programs in the world. Hamas and Hezbollah have fired thousands of Iranian-produced rockets, projectiles, and missiles against Israel. The Islamic Republic of Iran has developed long-range missiles capable of hitting Israel, and is developing an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile that would be capable of hitting the United States.

 

 

Not content with aggression abroad, Iran’s rulers engage in brutal repression at home. Religious minorities, political dissidents, and journalists are subjected to harassment, detention, torture, and even execution. Whatever happens in the coming days, America under our next President will have to deal comprehensively with the threats posed by Iran. 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:43 | 6394074 SamAdams
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"Iran has one of the most aggressive rocket and missile programs in the world. Hamas and Hezbollah have fired thousands of Iranian-produced rockets, projectiles, and missiles against Israel."  Oh I get, 1+1 = 3....  Better simplify for you...  If the missles are MOST AGGRESSIVE and THOUSANDS have been launched, then one would expect MAJOR DESTRUCTION.  Please provide a link showing the pictures of this AGGRESSIVE damage.  Pretty please? 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:44 | 6394332 formadesika3
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 15:53 | 6394618 SamAdams
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The request was not for a text describing the kinds of rockets Lebanon might possess.  I think we can all agree that Lebanon has the ability to defend itself.

It would be foolish for Lebanon not to have a strong defense.  Israel covets the Litani river, no?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 15:58 | 6394637 formadesika3
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Look at the map where it shows the damage just from Hezbollah alone.

<crickets>

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:45 | 6394090 my_nym
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Are you Jewish?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:48 | 6394092 my_nym
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...if you think that this has nothing to do with Jewish money aimed at furthering Israeli interests, you are simply avoiding reality. It’s very difficult to see how a Republican candidate could win the nomination without the support of the Republican Jewish coalition. It’s yet another example where Jews pursue a top-down strategy that begins by dominating elite discourse,  shaping public opinion by having access to the elite media, and by the role of money in influencing politics at the highest level.  Of course, many non-Jews are involved in this movement, from well-paid foreign policy hacks who work at the think tanks mentioned, Senators (Toossi mentions Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham, Mark Kirk, Kelly Ayotte, and John McCain),  to presidential candidates. As Lindsey Graham famously said,

“If I put together a finance team that will make me financially competitive enough to stay in this thing…I may have the first all-Jewish cabinet in America because of the pro-Israel funding. [Chuckles.] Bottom line is, I’ve got a lot of support from the pro-Israel funding.”

It’s not just Republicans who are in fealty to Jewish pro-Israel money. Hilary Clinton...

 

Bomb Iran Lobby Gears for 2016

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:22 | 6394208 Hal n back
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so let me get this straight. The Jewish population in the US is about 2% of total, perhaps less. The jewish population contributes to causes. Not just pro israel but in fairness many humaine causes that positively affect many others race and religion included.

 

On the other have we have 50% of the population that does not pay taxes and many of those sit around and wait for welfare or aid and if they do not get it, they go out-usually in the summer as the weather is nicer and protest.

 

how many of the wmt and mcd protestors were really workers at those place? And do they and their wages provide "payback" to teh companies. I remember a day where if you were a great employees and were quiting, the employer would raise your salary to stay. Kind of like free agency in sports. And I think we stil have free agency in the workplace.

 

Or if in seattle, now that those that work get high rminimum wage, want their hours cut back so they can keep full welfare.

 

JFK: "Ask not what you can do for your country, as what your country can do for you".

 

In 5 decades we have turned everything around. The spirit is gone. We have bankers that can totally screw up not just their banks but the economy, getting massive bonuses and not going to jail. We have people that should be a part of a safety net, that do not get enough  because too many others take too much just becasue they find they qualify and why work?

 

We have almost everybody trying to game the system one way or another, from the top to the bottom.

We have outpriced outselves on the world competitive stage which is why we outsource so much. And we think we can do it without consequence. What happens as we automate more--very few wil be left earning wages so few will be able to spend.

 

We need a real change in attitude,

 

The attitude has to change in that selfishly, if we do something someone has to ask what do we, the USA, get out of it?

 

as crazy as it sounds, only Trump has that attitude--he looks at alomst every thing from a payback perspective. I spend, what do we get out of it for the US. In business, its his money he is spending so he requires a payback. Few in congress think about the US payback-unless its measured in votes for themselves.

 

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:37 | 6399254 FixItAgainTony
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I appreciate your sentiment but JFK's quote was, "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.  My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:59 | 6394144 Pazuzu
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Isn't the biggest collection of Jews outside of Israel in Iran? Is that the group that the Iranians are harrassing, detaining and torturing? No? THey live in peace? Really?   Fact is Saudi Arabia is doing all the shit you are whining about; care to comment? No? Of course, you can always bring up Iranian fighters strafing the USS Liberty For over an hour or post the video of Iranian nationals celebrating in New York as the towers were struck. 

Go sell neoclown tripe where the scales have yet to fall from the eyes of the misled.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:18 | 6394211 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Jesus, what a steaming pile of hasbara copy-paste boilerplate poop.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 17:41 | 6395028 farflungstar
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Abe Foxman is that you?

israel carries on about Iran a lot. In fact they go all the way back to the 1994 bombing in Argentina of a jewish center to pin on Iran, and even then that's sketchy. They don't have anything more current than that. Do you? Other than the standard AIPAC talking points?

Iran's aggression quite pales in comparison to anything the United States has done, going into Iran's neck of the woods to play war, as well as the Sunni fundamentalists israel's buddies the Saudis are flooding everywhere into the Middle East to fuck with everyone BUT israel. 

Muted criticism of Saudi Arabia from the usual talking points trolls and AIPAC tools means that KSA is cooperating with israel to keep the focus on Iran. israel is the actual dangerous clutch of religious and messianic fruitcakes with nukes we should be worried about, not Iran.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 18:47 | 6395242 BigJim
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Lulz

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:32 | 6393731 cowdiddly
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Fill me in. I no longer can bring myself to click on play to listen to this fuckface.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:34 | 6393740 i_call_you_my_base
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Willlllllbuuuurrrrrr.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:36 | 6393751 Dr. Engali
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I recommend copious amounts of adult beverages.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:59 | 6393884 Implied Violins
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It also helps to make snide comments while the video is playing, a la Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:03 | 6393919 kralizec
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And if you shoot at your screen, be sure it is those little nerf bullets...it will save you from having to get a new screen and the real ammo is safe for live fire needs.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:35 | 6393736 Never One Roach
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I missed his speech.

Did he say when he was going to keep his promise to give out those $3,000 bills for Thingamajigs? How about free cc? Moar cash for clunkers? Free golf carts?

 

Did he say [again] how awesome everything is?

 

Huh. Guess I didn't miss much.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:34 | 6393738 NoDebt
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Neither party is trustworthy.  Pass the "deal" (not to be confused with a treaty that would require Senate ratification), don't pass the deal, I don't give a shit.  Buncha liars promising shit to eachother.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:44 | 6393806 Oldwood
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And guess who will get fucked in the end. You can easily tell who wins in these contests by looking at the public. Iranians dancing in the streets and Americans looking at each other saying "what just happened?".

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 18:52 | 6395261 BigJim
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Do you genuinely think the Iranian civilians are dancing because they think this deal will enable their "leaders" (masters, actually) to start building the weapons that will get them nuked by Israel?

Or are they dancing because sanctions are being dropped and there's a chance they might get a semi-decent standard of living back?

Try engaging your brain on this subject.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:03 | 6393916 Freddie
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The Dems and O are total scum but the Republi-Cons get all tough for the zios while they roll over for TPP, open borders, baby parts harvesting, police state spying and other shit. 

Phony clowns pretending to be pro-Constitutionalists.  They and the Dem Neo Libs never met a war they did not approve of.  

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:34 | 6393743 Dr. Engali
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Here's an idea: get the fuck out and let them worry about their own fucking Middle East mess.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:37 | 6393757 Winston Churchill
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Doc please, they are living over our oil reserves.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:40 | 6393779 saints51
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How can they profit with that idea?

/s

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:04 | 6398983 Tarshatha
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"Here's an idea: get the fuck out and let them worry about their own fucking Middle East mess. "

Yes, but Zion just won't let their American puppet do that.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:35 | 6393746 BandGap
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Someone needs a culture lesson here.

In Arab terms it is considered just fine to lie and cheat (particularly with "Satan's kids") in order to win at negotiations.

John Kerry looks like the wrong end of a horse, in more ways than one.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:57 | 6393869 Winston Churchill
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Just as well they are not arabs then.

Caucasian, Persians.

Looks like you need the lesson.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:06 | 6393932 kralizec
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I think he means "Muslim" (takkiya)...but whatever, Iranians are Persians, not Arabs.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:12 | 6393953 Winston Churchill
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I'm sure he has many muslim friends to come to such a conclusion after careful study.

Can't say the same about the ones I knew, but then being on the receiving end

of so much "freedom" over the decades prolly changed them.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:30 | 6394026 SamAdams
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I think he may have been reading from the Talmud, as that is basically what it says about about goyim (anyone not descended from Isaac). 

Maybe he's an anti-semite?  That is hating anyone descended from "Shem", hence the "Sem"....  Of course the descendants of Shem are Issac (Jews) and Ishmael (Arabs)...  Getting complicated, no?  This means anyone who hates Arabs is anti-semitic. Sweet-Zombie-Jesus, the entire American congress is anti-semitic. 

I thinks too much...

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:26 | 6394251 Doctor Faustus
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Sorry, but you don't think at all. Have you actually read the Talmud or even know what it is? It's not considered holy like the Torah, but a series of opinions that some Orthodox Jews follow.

I rarely comment on the anti-jewish BS commonly spouted on ZH (Oh look, it's those evil Jews!) 'cause I value this site for its macro-economic observations, but what the hell, it's Wednesday and I'm tired of reading about John F'n Kerry (yeah I know, Kohn to the jew-haters). 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 16:53 | 6394888 SamAdams
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Yes, I have.  And you are correct, it is a collection of Rabbi interpretations of the Torah (1st 5 chapters of Old Testament).  And you are also correct that some Jews do adhere to these.  This of course, can be a problem.  Especially when these types are able to influence government, laws, and national finance.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 19:03 | 6395295 BigJim
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 It's not considered holy like the Torah, but a series of opinions that some Orthodox Jews follow.

Wrong. http://www.rense.com/general79/talmud.htm

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:36 | 6394295 HopefulCynical
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Goyim = kafir.

It's all the same tribalist shit.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:08 | 6393941 BandGap
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Arabs, Australians, what's the difference?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:23 | 6394001 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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you mean difference between a Camel Jockey and a Digger?

that's easy,

Cavalry and Infantry.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:25 | 6394011 Heywood Jahblohmee
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You are so stupid and worthless , you can't even point to Iran on a world map.  You are a true fucktard and useless eater that should be euthanized

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:49 | 6394103 BandGap
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Eat me.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:25 | 6394012 Heywood Jahblohmee
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You are so stupid and worthless , you can't even point to Iran on a world map.  You are a true fucktard and useless eater that should be euthanized

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:49 | 6394106 BandGap
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No, eat me!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:29 | 6394031 negative rates
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Eyelashes.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:03 | 6393918 Heywood Jahblohmee
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In Jewish terms it is considered just fine to lie and cheat (particularly with "Satan's kids") in order to win at negotiations.

>>>>>>>>>

Fixed it for you kid.  Now wipe that KIKE kum off your chin.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:35 | 6393748 Bill of Rights
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And here is a live feed of Obama promising that "if Iran cheats we can catch them and we will."

 

Lying prick can catch Iran cheating but not one single banker is in jail. What a farce!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:49 | 6393835 Bush Baby
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Can't catch the IRS or Hillary's email either

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:37 | 6393755 maplepeg
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If the US backs out of the deal, showing the US truly cannot be trusted in any international negotiations, I hope China, Russia, Germany, France and Britiain all move forward with the deal and cancel sanctions. 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:01 | 6393906 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Iran also reserves the right to back out of the deal and join the BRICS.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:38 | 6393764 Chuck Knoblauch
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This is just an oil deal.

Nothing more.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:40 | 6393765 wisebastard
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BS

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:39 | 6393773 Condor96
Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:44 | 6393800 Diplodicus Rex
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Wait a minute. I thought that horse's ass was shot by ISIS last month and it was reported that he fell off his bike. Did he really give that interview or is this another OBL ghost appearance?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:02 | 6393912 Implied Violins
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When one goes down they just prop up another clone. Horses are easier to clone than sheep.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:45 | 6393808 Everybodys All ...
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If the trust from Iran is that thinly veiled of the US then why would you concede of them nuclear capability?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:54 | 6393860 booboo
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Don't go getting all logical and shit on President Comacho and his gelding

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:49 | 6393838 tlnzz
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So Kerry finally has a job he's good at. Going around the World on his knees giving head.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:00 | 6393898 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Well he represents the USA perfectly.  a nation of cowardly cocksuckers , liars and thieves.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:00 | 6393900 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Well he represents the USA perfectly.  a nation of cowardly cocksuckers , liars and thieves.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:12 | 6393955 Freddie
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A nation of Kaitlan or Bruce Jenners.   This includes dumb white males who cheer on knock out game Trayvons in the NCAA, NBA and NFL. 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:51 | 6393846 B2u
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Hey Kerry....Why the long face?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:18 | 6393978 Jstanley011
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Lol...

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:52 | 6393849 GoBadgers
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""The ayatollah constantly believed that we are untrustworthy.."

 

Because as we all know, the Ayatollah of Rocknrolla is TOTALLY trustworthy.

Total comedy act.

 

 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:58 | 6393879 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 250 years.  Meanwhile the USA has attacked and invaded numerous countries , destroying them and putting fascist dictators in charge.  

USA has killed well over 10 million innocent human beings around the globe since 1960.

I guess you hare FACTS but then again you are a braindead know nothing america who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:03 | 6393917 JustObserving
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Earth: 248 armed conflicts after WW2; US started 201 (81%), killing 30 million so far


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/earth-248-armed-conflicts-ww2-us-...

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:30 | 6394035 Jstanley011
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"Since WW2, Earth has had 248 armed conflicts. The US started 201 of them."

More Internet bullshit from the Internet bullshitters. Care to argue? Okay Mr. Big Mouth, name twenty that the US started.

Be advised, you're going to have a hard time using the original article as a cheat sheet unless you want pay to get past the paywall of the bullshit-artists who run the American Journal of Public Health.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:37 | 6394059 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Hey fuckface, why don't YOU start debunking each one?   You won't because you are a lazy fucking son of a bitch who just swallows the lies of your media and govt.

You are a worthless useless eater .   

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:37 | 6394060 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Hey fuckface, why don't YOU start debunking each one?   You won't because you are a lazy fucking son of a bitch who just swallows the lies of your media and govt.

You are a worthless useless eater .   

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:44 | 6394083 Jstanley011
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Poor guy. I'm praying for you, for that epilepsy thing.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:47 | 6394097 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Pray to who?  your invisible playmate in the sky?

Grow a fucking brain you goddam retard.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:52 | 6394108 Jstanley011
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Okay, I'll take on your challenge. I will debunk the 201 conflicts that you say the US started. So, where's your list? It ain't here. It ain't on the Washington Blog. Where is it? Where is this alleged list? Quick, please you history experts. Give me the list so I can start debunking. What? No list?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:04 | 6394163 Jstanley011
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Crickets? Really? Proof positive that if you want to get the Internet bullshitters to repeat your lie until Kingdom Come, tell a whopper.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:10 | 6394178 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Hey little boy,  I am almost 70 and have worked all over the world and am a Vietnam Vet.

80 percent of what is fed you is pure bullshit

But you swallow the lies , hook , line and sinker.

Have a nice day, kid I am finished with you now.  Shooooooooooooooooooo!!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:10 | 6394180 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Hey little boy,  I am almost 70 and have worked all over the world and am a Vietnam Vet.

80 percent of what is fed you is pure bullshit

But you swallow the lies , hook , line and sinker.

Have a nice day, kid I am finished with you now.  Shooooooooooooooooooo!!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:10 | 6394181 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Hey little boy,  I am almost 70 and have worked all over the world and am a Vietnam Vet.

80 percent of what is fed you is pure bullshit

But you swallow the lies , hook , line and sinker.

Have a nice day, kid I am finished with you now.  Shooooooooooooooooooo!!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:08 | 6394173 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Okay fuckface, I will start with ONE.  The ''Gulf of Tonkin '' incident which NEVER HAPPENED,  now admitted by the US govt.  See FOIA.

Leading to the deaths of 58,000 Americans and over 2 million Vietnamese.

I am Vietnam Vet (not proud of it) and saw first hand.

So you can fuck off you little know nothing shithead

 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:08 | 6394174 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Okay fuckface, I will start with ONE.  The ''Gulf of Tonkin '' incident which NEVER HAPPENED,  now admitted by the US govt.  See FOIA.

Leading to the deaths of 58,000 Americans and over 2 million Vietnamese.

I am Vietnam Vet (not proud of it) and saw first hand.

So you can fuck off you little know nothing shithead

 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:14 | 6394199 Jstanley011
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You're a lying sack of shit.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:29 | 6394260 Max Steel
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You are suffering from aerican excepyionalism. Dont even try it.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:31 | 6394271 Max Steel
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You are suffering from american exceptionalism. Dont even try it.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:51 | 6394112 BandGap
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He's a product of chronic, uncontrolled masturbation.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:59 | 6393885 Heywood Jahblohmee
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USA has broken numerous treaties and are the LEAST  trustworthy countries on the planet.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:52 | 6393854 phoolish
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If you like your treaty, you can keep your treaty.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:58 | 6393877 VladLenin
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That ball licker and his evil boss should know about screwing people. My ass has been hurting since 2009.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:58 | 6393878 Jack Daniels Esq
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Everything goes better with Coke - nuke the muthafuckas

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:04 | 6393925 B2u
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as a  cannibal once said when asked if he drank Orange Crush after eating a guys "thing"....no...things go better with Coke.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:58 | 6393880 Anunnaki
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As soon as our Zioncongress torpedos this, there should be Iranian jets pounding ISIS in Northern and Eastern Syria

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:59 | 6393887 Anunnaki
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Wow, Lurch Kerry reduced to begging. Worst. Secretary of State. Ever

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:13 | 6393958 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Killary was much worse

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:33 | 6394050 steveharless
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Next to hillary clinton

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 12:59 | 6393888 gwar5
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What a bunch of evil dumbasses running the country. 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:00 | 6393895 PGR88
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I once got screwed in the ayatollah - man, it hurt.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:16 | 6393924 Jstanley011
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You mean to tell me that the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei harbors "anti-U.S. suspicions"? In other words, he thinks Americans count his little theocracy to be a 7th-century throwback run by kooks, that would be one of the world's worst menaces to peace if armed with nuclear weapons?

How rude of us! Of course we should pave the way for him to get the bomb. If for nothing else, to make up for how mean we have been acting since Iran so graciously let our hostages go in 1981, fearing that Reagan would bomb the country back into the Stone Age.

Thank you John, and thank you Mr. Obama for so politely making up for our awful manners!

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:54 | 6394121 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Those hostages should have been shot for being spies trying to undermine the govt.

And sons of bitches like YOU should be lobotimized.  Oh wait,  that has already been done.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:55 | 6394125 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Morons like you are clueless about the real world.  YOu have never been to Iran, (I have) and you are totally brainwashed.

 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:57 | 6394130 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Hey fuckface,   the only nation to ever use nukes was the Useless Snakes of Americunts.

And there was NO NEED to do so.    Japan was already surrendering.

You did it to threaten the world if the world didn't kiss your ass.

Cocksuckers like you need to be euthanized.         Useless eater and braindead retards.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:57 | 6394131 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Hey fuckface,   the only nation to ever use nukes was the Useless Snakes of Americunts.

And there was NO NEED to do so.    Japan was already surrendering.

You did it to threaten the world if the world didn't kiss your ass.

Cocksuckers like you need to be euthanized.         Useless eater and braindead retards.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:12 | 6394189 Jstanley011
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Living in your Mom's basement, I know someone like you doesn't get an opportunity to vent his emotions very often, since she won't put up with the profanity. As far as I'm concerned, ZH is providing a public service by allowing people like you to let off some steam. There will be less likelihood you will shoot up a movie theater or a school, for instance. Kudos Durdens for your contribution to the commonweal.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:22 | 6394233 Heywood Jahblohmee
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You are a fucking retard,  and totally brainwashed.

BTW, asswipe. my mother passed away in 1954 when I was 8 years old.

I  worked all my life and was never a fucking parastici leech on socieity like you are , loser.

Here I am , shithead. Working for Ghaddaffi.  call the FBI, you son of a bitch, I dare you.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b7h6bqkvl46q7vj/AAD3yL68363n_qDF2qacfuXta?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jpxu5qgubsoacn9/AIRCRAF6.JPG?dl=0

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 14:36 | 6394293 Max Steel
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Dutchboy ?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 15:58 | 6394636 Jugdish787
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It must be...same pics.  Which I must add, are worth the 10 minutes to go through.  My favorite was dutchboy with the huge bag of weed!  Oh...and the party pics with the female flight crew.

 

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 18:31 | 6395182 Anunnaki
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I assumed it was Dutchboy due to the preponderence of duplicate postings

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:04 | 6393927 oldmanofthesee
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The problem that Obama/Kerry have, is they are both known to be liars. Consequently, how do we know whwn they are telling the truth?

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:12 | 6393957 Heywood Jahblohmee
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There are very few if ANY USA govt officials that ever tellls the truth.  If they do, they get the JFK treatment from the Mossad.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:07 | 6393940 NoWayJose
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But only one of those 7 countries tries to stick its nose into every country on the planet / either spying on a country, putting troops into that country, flying drones over that country, giving arms to the enemies of that country, or bombing that country.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:15 | 6393963 SillyWabbits
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Experience teaches only the teachable.

Aldous Huxley

                    
The lesson here should be that once you act in the interests of others, your own interests are rarely served honorably.

 

If AIPAC can announce an attempt to openly control and influence Congress, which is de facto against the law (foreign entity/agent act) without registering as a Foreign Agent

 

The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) was enacted in 1938. FARA is a disclosure statute that requires persons acting as agents of foreign principals in a political or quasi-political capacity to make periodic public disclosure of their relationship with the foreign principal, as well as activities, receipts and disbursements in support of those activities.  Disclosure of the required information facilitates evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons in light of their function as foreign agents. The FARA Registration Unit of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) is responsible for the administration and enforcement of the Act.

Then I can openly oppose AIPAC without being an anti-Semite.

This agreement is not about Israel.  It is about how we the people of the United States of America want to freely relate to a foreign nation: exactly the same as we relate freely with Israel – a foreign nation.

The fact that a foreign nation can impose any restrictions on our ability to freely negotiate is in itself an abomination.

A good question to ask might be: What is Israel willing to give up to get us to give in?

Exactly! 

That is what they should get in return.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:20 | 6393988 Heywood Jahblohmee
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I hope Iran backs out of deal.  Israel businesses stand to lose lots of money. as will France, Germany and others.

US congress is doing everything necessary to get their European ''allies'' to hate them.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:31 | 6394038 Winston Smith 2009
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Nice avatar. Wish I'd thought of it six years ago. Oh, look, I did.

About all of this crap here about Israel and the various "bad people" in charge. Who are the idiots who allow and even encourage them to manipulate our politics here in the US? Who are those who still believe in the phony left/right paradigm and argue endlessly and pointlessly about it? The same people you see every time you walk out your door. To get to the point of George Carlin's comment on the subject, for most people the source of our political mess can be seen in the mirror in front of them.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson to Charles Yancey, January 6, 1816

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:19 | 6393986 I Write Code
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Ultimate Frisbee in the Olympics, Ultimate Screwing in Politics, these are great days man.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:20 | 6393987 The Delicate Genius
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The US has already failed to live up to its obligations toward Iran under the NPT. This deal has been mainly about Iran giving up the right to do things it is legally otherwise entitled to, as the Israel Lobby kept moving the goalposts to the extent of trying to demand a right to limit Iranian defensive S2A missiles and to inspect any and all military sites - all while Israel sits on hundreds of nukes and refuses any and all inspections as it builds longer and longer missiles {some of which it may sell to China - again) which threaten the world.

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Fearing an Iran-Nuke Deal Might Work
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/03/24/fearing-an-iran-nuke-deal-might-work/

Why doesn't Iran trust the US?
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/06/iran-security-us-npt-n...

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:22 | 6393997 Infinite QE
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TFJ's. Again.

Wed, 08/05/2015 - 13:25 | 6394013 roadhazard
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Congress will down vote the agreement, Obama will veto it and Congress will not get enough votes to override him. That's good enough for repubicans, now it's all on Obama for real.

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