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GOP Debates Post-Mortem: Fiorina Wins Undercard; Trump Takes Title, Threatens Independent Run
17 Entered... Despite the onslaught of attacks from the other 16 GOP Presidential nominee candidates, Donald Trump came out the 'winner' in his usual brash manner threatening to run as an independent and able to dominate the conversation, pitbull back at any jibes, and shrug off cozy Clintonite comments. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul appeared to have a strong showing but "had a tough night" in Trump's words. Rick Perry blew up again, calling the former President Ronald 'Raven' - which his team vehemently denied the entire FOX watching audience heard. Carly Fiorina easily won the undercard against a field of has-beens and wannabes and surely deserves some more top-billing in the next Republican death-match. In the immortal words of Kenny Rogers, we hope a few of the 17-strong gaggle now "know when to fold 'em," and can we suggest Rick Perry's corner "throws in the damn towel."
The Main Event..
Trump came out swinging hard...
- *TRUMP ONLY CANDIDATE WHO DOESN'T PLEDGE TO BACK GOP NOMINEE
- *TRUMP SAYS WON'T RULE OUT INDEPENDENT BID FOR PRESIDENT
As AP reports,
The first Republican primary debate got off to a contentious start Thursday, with billionaire businessman Donald Trump declaring he could not commit to supporting the party's eventual nominee — unless it's him — and would not rule out running as a third-party candidate.
"I will not make the pledge at this time," Trump said. He also refused to apologize for making insulting comments about women, saying, "The big problem this country has is being political correct."
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul immediately jumped in to challenge Trump on his answer to the question about supporting the nominee.
"He's already hedging his bets because he's used to buying politicians," Paul said.
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Trump spoke the most...
Donald Trump addresses political correctness in the U.S. at the GOP debate http://t.co/0EA9i4yHRh pic.twitter.com/fod5sM7MkU
— POLITICO (@politico) August 7, 2015
- *TRUMP, ASKED ON COMMENTS ON WOMEN, SAYS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT
- *TRUMP REITERATES NEED TO BUILD A WALL ON U.S.-MEXICO BORDER
- *TRUMP: MEXICO SENDS `THE BAD ONES OVER' TO THE U.S.
- *TRUMP SAYS HAS USED U.S. BANKRUPTCY LAWS TO HIS ADVANTAGE
- *TRUMP: `I HAD THE GOOD SENSE TO LEAVE ATLANTIC CITY'
- *TRUMP: `I'VE EVOLVED ON MANY ISSUES' OVER YEARS
- *TRUMP: IF IRAN WAS A STOCK, YOU SHOULD GO OUT AND BUY IT
- *TRUMP: IRAN IS A `DISGRACE'; SAYS WOULD BE STRONGER THAN OBAMA
Trump: "Our leaders are stupid. Our politicians are stupid."
— John Bresnahan (@BresPolitico) August 7, 2015
Headlines for rest of field... (based on Bloomberg Politics)
- *CHRISTIE, ASKED ON NJ DOWNGRADES, SAYS WORSE BEFORE HIS TENURE
- *KASICH DEFENDS MEDICAID EXPANSION IN OHIO AS COST-SAVING
.@JohnKasich: "Donald Trump's hitting a nerve in this country. People are frustrated." http://t.co/2Jq1Fytklo pic.twitter.com/2tMXJSYxC0
— POLITICO (@politico) August 7, 2015
- *RUBIO: U.S. NEEDS E-VERIFY SYSTEM TO BOLSTER IMMIGRATION LAWS
- *SCOTT WALKER SAYS IMMIGRATION SYSTEM SHOULD FAVOR U.S. WORKERS
- *PAUL SAYS CHRISTIE FUNDAMENTALLY MISUNDERSTANDS BILL OF RIGHTS
- *CHRISTIE SAYS RAND PAUL BLOWS `HOT AIR' ON PRIVACY, TERRORISM
- *BUSH: KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW NOW, STARTING WAR IN IRAQ A MISTAKE
- *WALKER: U.S. NEEDS TO STOP `LEADING FROM BEHIND' IN MIDDLE EAST
- *HUCKABEE: COULD GET RID OF IRS WITH TAX ON CONSUMPTION
- *CARSON: U.S. TAX CODE SHOULD BE MODELED ON 10% BIBLICAL TITHE
- *HARPER SAYS OPPOSITION PLANS WILL LEAD TO PERMANENT DEFICITS
- *JEB BUSH ON KEYSTONE PIPELINE: `OF COURSE WE'RE FOR IT'
- *BUSH SAYS 2% U.S. GROWTH A DANGEROUS `NEW NORMAL'; HE SEEKS 4%
- *CHRISTIE: RAISE U.S. RETIREMENT AGE 2 YRS PHASED OVER 25 YRS
- *CHRISTIE SAYS SOCIAL SECURITY SHOULD BE MEANS-TESTED
- *RUBIO: NEVER ADVOCATED FOR ABORTION IN VIOLENT CASES
- *BUSH: NOT TRUE THAT HE CALLED TRUMP `BUFFOON'
- *KASICH: IF MY KIDS WERE GAY, WOULD `LOVE AND ACCEPT' THEM
- *WALKER SAYS PUT FORCES ON EASTERN BORDER OF UKRAINE, BALTICS
- *WALKER SAYS WOULD SHOW `STEEL' TO RUSSIA, NOT `MUSH' SOFTNESS
- *RAND PAUL SAYS HE'S ONLY CANDIDATE W/ 5-YR BALANCED BUDGET PLAN
- *PAUL: U.S. MUST STOP BORROWING MONEY TO AID OTHER COUNTRIES
- *PAUL: U.S. COULD AID ISRAEL FROM SURPLUS, NOT BORROWED FUNDS
Rand: “I don’t want my marriage or my guns registered in Washington"
— Megan McArdle (@asymmetricinfo) August 7, 2015
When the government tries to invade the church, it's time to resist. #standwithrand
— Dr. Rand Paul (@RandPaul) August 7, 2015
The attacks were varied...
Attacks in the first half of the debate include jabs between Paul, Trump and Christie. http://t.co/8Qif6AgSSI pic.twitter.com/v2HOkgDg6G
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) August 7, 2015
Candidate Mentions (by minute)...
Donald Trump mentions by minute. #OptimizedListening #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/Yx6LgL61GY
— Echelon (@EchelonInsights) August 7, 2015
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The Undercard....
Carly Fiorina's coming out party but the pre-debate debate was summarized as an attack on Trump and Clinton...
In the 5 p.m. debate, the Republican candidates directed their attacks off-stage http://t.co/2oWLDRpxqE pic.twitter.com/KICNtBA8mR
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) August 6, 2015
The 'biggest losers" debate was won by a landslide by Carly Fiorina...
Though Santirum spoke the most...
Who spoke the most in the 5 p.m. Republican debate http://t.co/wM2sZu0hex pic.twitter.com/ZpwLUmcBwn
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) August 6, 2015
Artist's impression of Rick Perry's team..."Throw the damn towel!!"
And The Other Not-So-Magnificent-Seven... (via Bloomberg)
Here’s a look at how each candidate fared under circumstances like nothing they’ve ever faced before, and like nothing they hope to ever go through again.
Carly Fiorina
Easily the most polished of anyone on the stage; you can see why she’s been impressing early audiences, and just how much of a difference she could make if she ever gets promoted to the adult’s table. She was assured and strong throughout, even when she connected Donald Trump to Bill Clinton. Moderator MacCallum mocked her for comparing herself to the “Iron Lady” Margaret Thatcher, but if you had no context for either woman and were just tuning in, you could almost see it. She also has the vital political skill of being able to deliver a shiv with a smile, even making an angry phone call to the Supreme Leader of Iran–“on Day One of the Oval Office!”–sound like a phone call you’d look forward to, even while you were shaking. Interestingly: She was the only candidate to consistently reference God. Though should be more careful about where she leaves her notes.
Jim Gilmore
He hasn’t even been in the race a week, so, understandably, he spent his first question just rattling off his biography. He did it a little too fast, though; he actually ran out of factoids three-quarters of the way through his answer, which was a bit awkward. Every question directed toward him had an audible sigh before it, like a Little League coach who has to give an at-bat to every kid, even when they know the other kids are the only ones who can hit the ball. He didn’t embarrass himself, but he didn’t do anything to distinguish himself either, which adds up to a big net negative. Also, his suit looked too big for him.
Lindsey Graham
You won’t find many Republican presidential candidates answering their first question at a Republican primary by going into extensive detail on fossil fuels, but hey, he’s been a Senator for a long time. Graham attempted to make up for by turning into the world’s most polite hawk the rest of the way: Graham turned every question after that into a diatribe against ISIS and Al Qaeda and our need to be aggressive in the Middle East. (No man has ever looked so genteel while vowing to secure the violent deaths of his enemies.) He even batted away a Planned Parenthood question, saying that the Middle East is the real “War on Women.” He remains a party attack dog to the end, particularly when it comes to Bill and Hillary, saying he’s “fluent in Clinton-speak; I’ve been dealing with it for 20 years.” Were you excited to hear the revival of the “definition of what ‘is” is” Clinton chestnut in the year 2015? If so, Lindsey Graham was here for you tonight.
Bobby Jindal
If anything, he succeeded in being a lot less Kenneth Parcell than in his infamous response to President Obama’s State of the Union, which is a start. It’s still disconcerting seeing such sharp rhetoric coming out of the mouth of such a friendly looking guy; he says he’s “taking the handcuffs off the military” to go after ISIS, but it feels more like the waterboy giving a big speech rather than the coach. (His “Obama and Hillary want to turn the American Dream into the European night” felt decidedly unapocalyptic.) He definitely scores points for being the only person in the debate to go after Jeb Bush, both a sign of the strength of Donald Trump and the weakness of Bush at this point; two months ago, this debate would have been seven people a race to call Bush the “establishment” the way Jindal, and Jindal alone, did this time. On the whole, though, he spoke the way a lot of voters in his party think, even if he doesn’t seem like the candidate they imagine speaking for them. Also, if elected, he is absolutely going to waste his first Executive Order, saying, he’d sign one “protecting religious liberty.” Who wants to tell him?
George Pataki
Well, George Pataki was here. He hasn’t really done anything, or even been in the public eye, since he was governor of New York, so he kept bringing that up like a middle-aged soft-in-the-middle jock who can’t stop telling you about the time he hit the game winner against Hickory South back in high school. Did you know Pataki was the governor on September 11? Pataki is happy to remind you several times. It was probably wise for him to focus on that, because his handling of the abortion question–he’s the only pro-choice candidate running for the Republican nomination–was muddled, defensive and weak, though, really, in this primary, and with those recent Planned Parenthood tapes, how could it not be? He was also the only candidate who consistently talked longer than the buzzer. It’s difficult to blame him.
Rick Perry
No one knows the perils of a poor debate showing better than Perry, so he seemed determined, almost over-determined, to show off his debate bona fides here. He stiffened his jaw, he dialed back the Texas homespunisms, he even threw in a “I’d say HELL NO” for good measure. (To the Ayatollah of Iran, no less, a guy who knows, in conservative minds, from Hell.) He may have been a little too fired up for the room; it’s difficult to be too much of a tough guy when there are more people on stage than in the audience. It was particularly strange to see him go so aggressively after Donald Trump, considering Trump wasn’t in the room; it’s odd to stand up to a guy who doesn’t even need to bother to show up yet. He definitely wanted Trump’s mojo, though. His answers on immigration were as forceful as anyone said on stage all night, tripling down to the point that he actually claimed his primary purpose in office would be to enforce the fight against illegal immigration, getting into so much detail that he even mentioned specific helicopters. Also: Good to know someone still uses Wite-Out.
And then there's this...
Rick Santorum
Santorum, who was as angry as anyone about these debate rules, went after them even further, pointing out (while inexplicably lapsing into the first person plural) that “we were even further behind four years ago than we are today.” (A salient point for a guy who won Iowa last time.) His answer on immigration—pointing to how his own father, an Italian immigrant, was separated from his father under Mussolini, said “America was worth the wait”—was personal but also underlined that he’s for separating families if it means following the letter of the law. Interestingly, Santorum, the supposed holy roller, didn’t say the word “God” once. He also brought up his “20-20 Perfect Vision of America” plan, which, when it comes to catchiness, isn’t quite 9-9-9.
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So in summary.. Fiorina #winning... Perry #RonaldRaven... and this...
Debate update pic.twitter.com/JnsY9MPqBR
— Michael Salfino (@MichaelSalfino) August 7, 2015
Finally where the moneyis being bet... (via PaddyPower)
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TRUMP/CARSON 2016!!!
The losing team!
Seriously, who gives a flying fuck when everyone knows the system is rigged by Satan's ugly cankles child?
"The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre—the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." – H. L. Mencken
TRUMP 2016!!!
Trump/Palin 2016!!!
The quality of the political discourse may be in the crapper but the shear entertainment factor has never been better! Bring on the clown cars... it's "bread and circuses" time...
It would be a step, maybe a whole flight of stairs higher than the current house of lies and prevarications.
What a pathetic band of losers. Not one will seriously address the 3 paramount issues of our country:
1.) eliminating the Fed and debt-based money...
2.) sealing our borders/protecting them with lethal force/deporting ALL 30 million illegals immediately... (Trump talks big but would never follow up with action.)
3.) banning foreign lobbies such as AIPAC and fighting foreign wars NOT in our country's interest.
Not one of these bozos will touch any of these topics. They are all egotistical power-hungry empty shills.
I guess you didn't read about the Russian and Chinese lobbyists meeting with 30 Dem Senators this week regarding their support of the Ayatollah's deal w/ the apostate Obama?
Trump trampled them!
Brutal with no held punches.
Gee, I hope their feelings weren't hurt .... we should have sent Trump to negotiate with the eye-ranians instead of horseface.
The Invisible Hand has spoken. He would smear Hitlery in a debate like a bug on a windshield.
TRUMP / PUTIN 2016 !!!
MORE TESTOSTERONE THAN A FUCKING FREIGHTER !!!
so.... I'm Canadian... and sort of pro-China corrupt capialist... and.. disagree with ZHers a lot
but I really like Trump.
I'd vote for him.
TRUMP / RON PAUL 2016
People like Trump partly because they identify with a guy who actually works for a living instead of being merely a paraite politican. True, he's a Billionaire but people overlook that drawback and see someone has ups and downs, successes and losses like they do in real life instead of only taking wins like polticians do most of the time in office and never any losses since they [ass the misery and pain to votersn when they screw up.
Another reason people like Trump....they see a real change from the present bleakness:
US companies are dying faster than everhttp://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/us-companies-are-dying-faster-t...
Although I favor Dr. Ben Carson, I think that whichever republican gets the nod should have Allen West as his or her veep. West is the anti-Joe Biden. West would be the insurance policy against getting assasinated. If they did shoot you, they'd end up with Allen West to deal with.
The one other thing I would do if I won the nomination and the election would be to fill out my cabinet with these other contenders, ala Abe Lincoln. Lincoln knew enough about people that he could take his former adversaries and turn them into allies by finding them a seat at the table. I tend to think Carson is that kind of smart. And the Good Lord knows we could use some of that after four terms worth of village idiots and community organizers.
I agree. What this country needs is less democracy and more dictatorship from the evangelical community. I believe we should be ruled by a king...a Christian king. Democracy and freedom just don't work.
I'll be your king!
I promise to bring our troops home and expand the Child and Dependant Care Credit. I will close Guantanamo and close tax avoidance loopholes for CEO pay and bonuses. I will create a mortgage interest tax credit for non-itemizers. I will give everyone who needs it a phone. I will keep the bankers and traders who flaunt the regulatory rules, honest. I will create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners. I will not let the nation become entangled in foreign disputes. I will eliminate all oil and gas loopholes. I will make health insurance affordable for everyone. I will expand the Pell Grant for all college students to make tuition affordable. I will provide energy assistance and rental assistance for the needy and provide lunches in schools that are nutritional and inviting. I will improve the way that we treat our veterans and provide the help and care that they need. I will rebuild the nation's infrastructure and thereby create a more efficient America, I will adress the needs of the military and rebuild it to make America strong again. I will reduce the rate of company tax to 10 % so as to give the economy a boost and provide jobs for Americans. In office, I promise that we will reduce unemployment by ensuring we print a number of 4% unemployed. I will form a working committee on immigration and consider all proposals on how to stem the flow of migrants across the border. I promise to be a fiscal conservative and take a very close look at what we can do about the debt ceiling and instigate a plan to reduce government debt.
As your king, I will grant everyone their own pony, stable and bushel of hay and oats for each family. In this way, we can reduce our dependence on oil and thereby make America strong again.
I urge you all to vote for me as your king and ruler. I promise you all that you will never have to consider voting for any fancy promises of change, ever. My royal descendants will provide that for you when need arises.
Vote 1 for Al. Vote early and vote often.
You may all cheer heartily now. NOW!
And we would'nt even need an alien invasion to spur the economy for krugman because we would already have Alf Gore!
The fact that Trump was put front and center, and flanked by two Bushes, should be RED FLAG enough. Remember, "it doesn't matter who you vote for, you always vote for us". That means Trump will not win, is only carried for entertainment value. Every last one of them are Israel firsters....
cn- sure the fuk beats being led by an arrogant narcissist divisive illegal indonesia Kenyan alien muslim fudgepacker
Apparently your cookie has crumbled and you aren't getting enough 'nookie'. Go find a nook to hide in.
Me too, but only because the establishment is scared shitless of him.
"Are you not entertained?" -Maximus
Fox set up Trump twice right at the beginning of the debate. However Trump has the Repubs over a barrel and he can "blackmail" them easily, since they already acknowledged that they would lose against Hillary, should Trump run as an independent.
ABC
Anything but Clinton. Can Borat still get on the Democrat ticket?
No Bush either.
Country needs another dumber than a box of rocks Bush or corrupt lying Cunt-on as much as it needs a 3rd term of the fudgepacker. Fuk all 3 career political miedras.
You are correct. Trump said as much himself. You can say he's a bombastic buffoon, but it's a damn brilliant strategy.
Seems to me that the plain folks reached their heart's desire many morons ago.
Aaaaaahnold vill be baack with his moose hunting veepee Palin....
Maak my vords...
President's are selected, not elected, FDR.
Where is there any discussion of removing the federal govt. from its central control pedestal? The media does a great job exploiting these events getting people sucked into the side show. The key is to decentralize government, take authority back where it belongs, close to home. Bring banking back to the local level. Resistance to central control is the only way to any salvation from this criminal enterprise.
Why pay attention to these KLOWNS? I agree with Stockman in his interview on CNBC that rather than watching the "debate" he would prefer going to a circus to see clowns.
Wipe the Hillery scum of your mouth...
I haven't received my newspaper yet. Who won the debate, Lincoln or Douglas?
Dewey.
I'd be happy with any combo of Trump, Carson or Cruz.
Adams
Trump/Carson on one side and Hillery/Holder on the other.
What an interesting mix!
Trump is highlighting the difference between politicians (who are reactive to polls/public opinion) and non-politician business people (who are proactive about what needs to be done). That said, last night was not great for Trump. Sure he came out swinging and said some good things about immigration and health insurance, but his personality will kill him.
The notion that Rand had a good night is laughable. Enough said on that. Only the fringe will continue believing that.
Of those that performed well in the 2 hours, Huckabee and Christie have no shot because they are used goods or have baggage. Rubio and Cruz (the latter was better) are still polished politicians, and will sit on the opposite side of Trump if they remain in the race. Walker was textbook of what people hate in politicians.
Based on last night, the best ticket is Fiorina/Carson. Both non-politicians, and both likeable - much more appeal than Trump on a broad scale. And a female/minority ticket puts an impossible fence around Hillary. I don't think Carson has the presence/gravitas to stay in there, but he was the most thoughtful guy on the stage.
Alas, it doesn't really matter, because the $120T in unfunded liabilities rules the day from here on out.
When I first clicked on the story it looked like it said 'Rick Perry threw up again', and I thought man, I should have watched this debate.
Dayamn, Arnold really needs to suck it up! 100:1, whoa!
He's constitutionally prohibited from being president, so that's free money to anyone who takes the other side of that bet.
It didn't stop Osama, uh Obama...
Arnie is honest about where he was born.
He identifies as someone who was born in the US.
How do you figure? Frank Davis and the coal burner were both American citizens, and even if Obogo was born outside the US, there would still be a certificate of birth for a child born to US citizens abroad. Still a natural born US citizen. My boy was born at the US military hospital in Germany and is likewise, eligible, according to the constitution to run for president.
gavrikon, are you stupid?? obuma is 100% fake, they did slip up with his Soc Sec #, but the press and fbi will not mention that, as it opens the can of worms of who created this mulatto spector. out of the chicago cess pool to national power, who continued the wars and off shoring of jobs just like the other fucks of the elite rulers.
Obama = spawn of Frank Marshal Davis.
It would be truly hilarious if some Republican president tried throwing out everything Obama signed on the basis that he was not a natural-born citizen, and then Obama 'finds' his 'real' birth certificate showing his biological father was FMD and not the Kenyan after whom he was named.
Looks like Obama far more than FMD...this is Malcolm X
http://thesource.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Malcolm-X-7.jpg
Nonsense. All niggers look alike but FMD looks more like Obama than Malcolm X.
Stanley loved black dck just on political principal. She was a really unbalanced person. Hence her son and his huge load of baggage.
I know...Obama's material sow (Stanley was her name) was a US Citizen, and that is all that was needed for Barry's citizenship.
Carson would be a great VP - much more coherent than Palin or Ryan. Both are great conservatives but talk first and think later.
Nah. Cruz. Or Coulter.
Coulter certainly did a smashing job as VP - in Sharknado 3. I'd like to see her as press secretary, however..
It's the money. Stupid assholes.
"You wanna be slaved, brothers and sisters?"
"We wanna be slaves, rev. Be ever so kind and book my seat on the next on the next available Galley, won't you? I want to see Europe some day".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXh1tW16V-8
Boy, I wish I could over-dub this.
Use it as a metaphor for the DUh-yup-voting American worker, or any in the world for that matter.
Liberals, CNN agree: Fox did a great job!
http://tinyurl.com/pcrxzr4
While I find al ofl this amusing, I refuse to vote in the national election since Diebold has already determined the winner. According to CNN, which ahs somehow become a News station that we are to adhere to, the 2016 election will boil down to 'Bush vs Clinton' II.
Spare me the commercials, the republican lineup (not one of which has any creditbility) or the blood soaked hands of hillery (who seems destined to be the democrat choice). All I can hope for is both party candidates get shot, in Hillary's case I'd volunteer to be the shooter [for the right price]l.
We have no actual, real,, viable candidates other than that black guy. (Not that I'd vote for him, I'm voting Scrooge McDuck) Trump is just another brand of narcissist, currently popular with an entire nation of narcissists.
Trump may win, but I'd prefer someone as humble as that black guy, Carson to be the nest president.
I don't trust Trump, but Carson seems to be a regular guy fucking himself in polished debates. I'd pretty much do the same in today's society.
#1 I don't give a shit about any of these assclowns . Really, i don't. I'm not voting for any one of them, or thier opponents. Fuck them.
But I did watch the debate and while every one of these vermin should, at the least, be gassedwith DDT and slowly fed into a smoldering fire...I Have to admit that Trump was the one that ust said fuck you to the whole system. Don't like this particular asshole but that's what I see. (fire's out, trucks are leaving, the explosions in the garage sre just ammo. I can live with that.)
Fuck, cops are here. See you sometime tomorrow.
Kabuki X 10.
I am not voting for Trump but I will say he is raising awareness in how he has bought politicians including the ones onstage last night. I didn't see any politician come right out and say lobbying should be made illegal and will fight to that end.
What a country we could have if we ended lobbying and simplified the tax code to a fair tax. Huckabee was right on that one.
I didn't watch one minute of it. Did anyone mention the evils of fractional-reserve banking and/or ending The Fed?
Trump/Palin
Trump/Fiorina
OK
Fiorina is very impressive. Hugh Hewitt has had her on his radio show a lot lately, and she is good. Very good. She has an impressive breadth and depth of knowledge, and she is also very well spoken.
+1
I would love to see her debate Hildebeast. She'd run circles around her.
She's the only candidate so far to talk about Hillary, and she does not pull punches. The others are scared of the "war on women" card, I guess.
Yeah, just look at Jeb two days ago apologizing to wyman about funding for "womens' health." Fck women's health, how about everyone's health?
I could see that too....Trump/Fiorina.
Another strong team.
Based on debate polls, it would be Trump/Paul.
That's how Bush got on the Ronald "Raven" ticket in 1980. He was killed in the polls and debates, but still got 2nd.
That's it!, you mob of gushing, fucking infantile, sophomoric morons. Really? After all of the recent political past contributed to these germs and it means that little to you that you are still going to replace this team with ..... this team? WTFFFFFF?
If you, any of you, find your saviour amoungst these dirtbags, then I swear to the gods, I will walk backwards, jaybird-naked across this wide land and over burning coals as repentence if you do.
A fucking men brother, it's like reading the comments on townhall or some shit. WE DO NOT CHOOSE THEY ARE CHOSEN !!!
She was horrible as CFO of Lucent, Screwed over the Packard Family in a Shareholder Coup, and Buttocked up HP.
Plenty of other Republican Women to choose for the VP Slot.
I don't know about Lucent, I don't care about a shareholder coup (that's normal in business), and HP was failing before she got there (right before the dot com bust, if I recall). But she's done a lot more than that.
I am referring to her NOW, as a candidate, and her stance on issues. I find her stance on issues to be impressive. I'm not trying to sell her, though. She won't be the nominee, and I believe she knows it. She's a very good speaker though, and she talks about Hillary, which the others are scared to do.
The past can be important and I will not discard it. Not only poor performance at Lucent and HP she was a strong advocate of H1-B visas from the start.
I have no major conflict with what she says, it fits mostly with my personal view, however I am looking for character. Someone who will be strong during these tough times and just spout some frilly words. I have not discounted her but am far from sold.
Oh, and that One Woman Initiative with its description of "focusing on key empowerment issues for women including entrepreneurship, political leadership, and the rule of law." Just is the type of thing that gives me the hackles.
Miffed
That gal screwed HP over ... here is one (old) example ...
Making a big business deal to buy time because one has otherwise screwed things up. Leadership!
She is being fluffed in the press (I scanned a lot of headlines) while they are simultaneously bashing The Don as a misogynist as almost all his debate coverage is the Rosie O'Donnel bit, particularly in the left leaning press.
I actually read through a transcript of the whole debate and it does NOT match any of the coverage I am seeing at the major outlets AT ALL. Let's face it ... I said mean shit about my ex-wife and I am not a misogynist. This is just taking shit out of context and framing it to produce an emotion/opinion in a reader. They have no coverage on his immigration stance and other stuff, because people might actually want to know more about that! But, based on The Don's poll numbers the strategy to drive him under isn't working ... so expect them to really crank up the heat as this debate theater moves forward.
Regards,
Cooter
So Trump and a woman to be named later... Oracle's CFO comes to mind, Safra Catz.
Scratch that, Israeli-born. But her business savvy is excellent.
Why the hell does it have to be a woman? Are we Democrats?
I really liked Ben Carson and I told myself I wouldn't vote for a black person based on past history. It doesn't have to be a woman, but she happens to fill in some blanks that people want. For myself I will never vote for a politician or most lawyers.
This next election will be a telling sign if that whole diebold machine creating the winner is true. CNN has found some real goobers to stat pad their message, and that's what scares me the most. Are we really surrounded by as many idiots as the MSM is showing?
That might get Mr. Trump in a "Tough Situation" one day; and Usher in an Israeli POTUS.
But Bernie Sanders may pull it off on his own Merits. I'd vote for him; and him alone of all "alleged dual passport holders of the Tribe" - if there are any more - running for the POTUS slot.
Anyone in favor of H1B visas - all that tells you, is
"I like to fuck the middle class by letting my crony friends in large businesses give all of your jobs away to half competents (at best) so that they can save money and increase their yearly bonuses."
Shareholders, Stakeholders, Employees DO Care about a Coup against the Found Family.
It was a backstabbing deal with the Investment Banks and Institutional Investors, IIRC. I pity the Packard Family; but they should have had more Reps in their Camp controlling the Firm.
Carly Won the Coup; but EVERYONE who "respected" HP, the Packard Family, and pretty much every hopeful Tech Entrepreneur who just saw what could happen to his/her firm after a few decades - had her days numbered.
NEVER let a Non-Tech (she was a finance weenie, IIRC) run a Tech Firm of HP's Caliber...
stacey dash or patti ann browne
I just don't trust her ideological committment. Guiding philosphy is everything. Just look at Obama
Don't get excited about Carly. She virtually destroyed HP while CEO. Her booting was celebrated by cheers from the underlings.
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who cares
Trump/Trump
Trump/Trump's Hair
Up-vote for full retard.
Trump/McDuck
Is it just me or does Cruz look, act, and sound like Elmer Fudd?
"If You Wage Jihad Against America, You Are Signing Your Death Warrant."
How did this jerkoff end up representing Texas?
So you're saying it is ok to wage jihad against America?
I suppose it would be ok to rape and pillage your wife and daughter then, eh?
Cherry picking dumb comments and then exposing your bias is in full bloom.
DaddyO
Ha. You got 2 down votes with no up votes. Ha.
Douche.
Cruz wore way too much makeup and looks like he's ready for a night on the town as bottom bitch with that other queen Lindsey Graham.
Watching that debate almost convinced me that it was real and mattered. Almost.
Did any one of these "conservatives" discuss the Fed Bank owning the entire mortgage and Treasury markets?? Didn't think so. It's all bullshit. US politicians, always acting reactionary when the real agenda is long since planned with proactive agenda in place.
I don't think any of them were really talking to us.
majority of folks think the fed is government's savings and loan.
Man, what a hit piece on Trump by the Fox News "journalists." I watched the debate as entertainment, and to see how much the MSM hates Trump. I was disappointed in the former (not much entertainment value), but confirmed on the latter (MSM hates Trump).
I remember when I used to watch Presidential debates to decide who I'd vote for. How naive I was to think it mattered.
Totally agree. I think trump is a shmuck, but they really sandbagged him.
He handled it well.
he did handle it surprisingly well, I expected more of a lash out a couple times. Rand disappointed me as usual. Every single time he says some thing that sound Ron Paul-ish and gets the inevitable flack for it, he then takes it back, says he didnt really mean it, blah blah blah. Ron never pandered, and that was why he was liked by so many. Rand is a panderer, any inroads he thinks he is making with the core GOPers he is making up for in his father supporters who throw in the towel. Trump was entertaining as hell, still wouldn't vote for him, but his facial expressions cracked me up, and I like the fact that he isn't scared ot say what he means. Unfortunately, I disagree with him on too many issues to really get behind him, but he is pretty entertaining
Actually I thought Rand would have impressed ZHers.
He said balance the budget, and when asked if that meant cutting off aid to Israel he said YES. He brought up the bill of rights several times, including taking bulk data collection away from the NSA. Christie said we should trade freedom for safety, and Paul told him he had to get a warrant.
So disappointed with Rand. Glib isn't his forte, and that isn't a negative, but in our inch deep body politic, glib substitutes for intelligence way too much. I feel bad even saying the previous.
I had great hope for him and supported his run against McConnell's candidate for the 2010 KY seat. I think he's trying to play the GOProg angle, but it just manages to twist Paul's ideological positions into pandering to the worse elements of the Party. It doesn't wear well. jmo
Trump is coming across like a much needed national enema and is setting the MSM's hair on fire.
Rand while hitting some of the right notes... not so much...
I heard the Rand/Christie exchange on the radio, and it was great. Both men took a firm stand, and were very well spoken. But Christie is wrong on this issue, and Rand got the final word in and won that exchange.
One of the things I hate most about debates is the stupid time limit. If you have ever heard Rand Paul talk at length about this issue (on the radio), his answer is reasoned, thought-out, well-articulated (he speaks best when he can take his time), and most importantly Constitutional.
I didn't hear all of the debate. Did anyone other than Rand Paul reference the Constitution or the Bill of Rights?
IN a real debate, those sanctioned by the governing academic body, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz would likely be the only ones left after a couple of hours, and 5 hours later they'd still be actually debating. Hell will freeze over before we'll ever see a Debate between two candidates for President or any Merikan elective office. Truly a loss for us as a people.
Agree 100%. I would love to see that.
When Rand mentioned that Christie didn't understand the Bill of Rights, he should have (aka Trump) slammed him by saying "You must have confused it with the Bill of Eating".
Rand is too nice to be President.
Bill of eating. LOL.
Trump is a shmuck, but he's better then all the bought and paid for shmucks standing next to him. -Send the rich guy and maybe he won't be bought!
Trump admitted that he was doing the buying... Still, Fox came after him and are still taking him down.
I liked Ted Cruz.
Yeah, Fox really tried to make Trump look bad, and he did come off as the angry old guy.
Voters have a choice between politicians who sound articulate and polished, BUT NEVER KEEP A PROMISE; or a guy who sounds angry and brusque but might actually do some good.
I'm guessing the sheeple will be duped once again. You can't fix stupid.
Trump clearly won but I like Ted Cruz also. He's a good orator; I've seen him speak live and he's a likeable kind of guy or comes across very good when you hear him in person. I wish I could meet all of them maybe not one-on-one but at least in the same room. Tells you alot.
See what I mean?
If you can't control a room, how are you going to control a country? Only a few of these people were able to have control with their words. You don't need to be as brash as Trump, Carson was doing it being laid back and way too nice. I like Carson as he appears to be someone you don't want to mess around with. And what's wrong with these guys/1 gal having an old opinion and changing as they grow older?
Shout outs to our current president (I need a lower class p) who goes blank when the teleprompter glitches.
Close the File.
so true
Kelly files is continuing the Trump bashing!
So what, she's just pissed because she was knee level with Trump for two hours.
Agreed, Trump kinda held her up to expose the whole PC War on Women meme.
I would only vote for Trump as an antidote to Cankles McHillary, but his is definitely a no holds barred type street brawler.
The sad fact is that until something is done with the Lobby industry and the bankers who fund it, it matters not much for us plebes.
DaddyO
Yeah, I remember when I used to be one of the head-counters; now I onlywatch to learn the fine points of lying and deceit.
Trump not asked about Iran and ISIS!
Every other candidate asked a question on these 2 issues.
WHY?
Trump is a neocon on those issues, so the Fox hosts stayed away from those issues with him (afraid it may bolster his support).
Michael Savage will pounce on this tomorrow.
Right after he tells you what he had for lunch yesterday and how he has to watch his diet because artichokes give him gas and he's allergic to rutabagas, which is too bad because he loved rutabagas as a kid but now his biochemistry has changed and he is no longer able to tolerate them-- except when his new favorite restaurant cooks them in a Vietnamese wok heated to exactly 161 degrees Centigrade.
Oh look, we're out of time. Tune in tomorrow, when I'll have a guest host that you can actually stand to listen to because he doesn't ramble and talk to you like that annoying drunk guy at Thanksgiving that is always spraying spittle in your face while he tells you the same story you've heard a thousand times already.
Rock and roll Friday.
Yeah ok, but after that's all outta the way, Savage will explode. Maybe gas, but maybe invective all the same. I can't listen to him sometimes because it makes me want to do something bad for the greater good ;)
Savage is good radio.
I had to log on and up-vote your post.
That was a good laugh.
Still looking forward to hearing tomorrow's show.
Trump did respond to Iran....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQRbOt33EbY
He wasn't asked a direct question on foreign policy.
How Rick Perry ever got past being a second rate life insurance salesman I'll never know, what a dope.
It would be fun to see Trump upset the G.O.P. rotten apple cart.
It's Texas ...
different culture, different rules. Like it or leave.
Thanks gop for reassuring me that nobody gets my vote. See : banzai
I've been reinvigorated to campaign against all politicians.
1 - more money for MIC
2 - israel is awesome
3 - nothing about massive fraud from bankers/wall street/politicians
Christy looke like the biggest ass...as the proud champion of NSA.
Rand Paul said eliminate aide to Israel. I almost fell out of my chair. Good for him.
He also said we should stop funding ISIS.
Can he even say that?
Apparently he's already 'explained' what he really meant. That is, we shouldn't BORROW money to aid israel, but rather taken from the SURPLUS his budget plan would create.
Rand has already sold his soul to AIPAC, as have ALL the candidates in that circus.
Talking to someone isn't selling out. Whether you or I like aipac, they are entitled to their opinion and representation.
Rand said cut aid to israel. You already had your opinion and apparently nothing can change it. Therefore, go fuck yourself.
-You already had your opinion and apparently nothing can change it.-
WTF? Pot, kettle, much?
what the fuck did i just watch
I think I get Trump's hair piece after watching Walker's bald spot steal the show.
NO one noticed Christie's hair? It looked like a platypus tail laying prostrate.
More like a dead weasel on Christie head -
that image fits him better - a wonder of weasel words.
Bridge, anyone ?
I thought that fat piece of shit had bariatric surgery. It sure didn't help much.
The weak minded will get weak results. Put that guy on an island to fight for his food and he stays that huge? Yeah right.
Confirmation that you should be putting some shit back before the shit house blows. Because its Gona take some cryin and diein before we figure how to pick up our ass from this
Trump was wonderful. I don't know what the issue is. We all knew he would never back anyone else. What happenened?
The country needs another Bush or Cunt-on as much as it needs a third term of the fudgepacker.