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GOP Debates Post-Mortem: Fiorina Wins Undercard; Trump Takes Title, Threatens Independent Run
17 Entered... Despite the onslaught of attacks from the other 16 GOP Presidential nominee candidates, Donald Trump came out the 'winner' in his usual brash manner threatening to run as an independent and able to dominate the conversation, pitbull back at any jibes, and shrug off cozy Clintonite comments. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul appeared to have a strong showing but "had a tough night" in Trump's words. Rick Perry blew up again, calling the former President Ronald 'Raven' - which his team vehemently denied the entire FOX watching audience heard. Carly Fiorina easily won the undercard against a field of has-beens and wannabes and surely deserves some more top-billing in the next Republican death-match. In the immortal words of Kenny Rogers, we hope a few of the 17-strong gaggle now "know when to fold 'em," and can we suggest Rick Perry's corner "throws in the damn towel."
The Main Event..
Trump came out swinging hard...
- *TRUMP ONLY CANDIDATE WHO DOESN'T PLEDGE TO BACK GOP NOMINEE
- *TRUMP SAYS WON'T RULE OUT INDEPENDENT BID FOR PRESIDENT
As AP reports,
The first Republican primary debate got off to a contentious start Thursday, with billionaire businessman Donald Trump declaring he could not commit to supporting the party's eventual nominee — unless it's him — and would not rule out running as a third-party candidate.
"I will not make the pledge at this time," Trump said. He also refused to apologize for making insulting comments about women, saying, "The big problem this country has is being political correct."
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul immediately jumped in to challenge Trump on his answer to the question about supporting the nominee.
"He's already hedging his bets because he's used to buying politicians," Paul said.
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Trump spoke the most...
Donald Trump addresses political correctness in the U.S. at the GOP debate http://t.co/0EA9i4yHRh pic.twitter.com/fod5sM7MkU
— POLITICO (@politico) August 7, 2015
- *TRUMP, ASKED ON COMMENTS ON WOMEN, SAYS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT
- *TRUMP REITERATES NEED TO BUILD A WALL ON U.S.-MEXICO BORDER
- *TRUMP: MEXICO SENDS `THE BAD ONES OVER' TO THE U.S.
- *TRUMP SAYS HAS USED U.S. BANKRUPTCY LAWS TO HIS ADVANTAGE
- *TRUMP: `I HAD THE GOOD SENSE TO LEAVE ATLANTIC CITY'
- *TRUMP: `I'VE EVOLVED ON MANY ISSUES' OVER YEARS
- *TRUMP: IF IRAN WAS A STOCK, YOU SHOULD GO OUT AND BUY IT
- *TRUMP: IRAN IS A `DISGRACE'; SAYS WOULD BE STRONGER THAN OBAMA
Trump: "Our leaders are stupid. Our politicians are stupid."
— John Bresnahan (@BresPolitico) August 7, 2015
Headlines for rest of field... (based on Bloomberg Politics)
- *CHRISTIE, ASKED ON NJ DOWNGRADES, SAYS WORSE BEFORE HIS TENURE
- *KASICH DEFENDS MEDICAID EXPANSION IN OHIO AS COST-SAVING
.@JohnKasich: "Donald Trump's hitting a nerve in this country. People are frustrated." http://t.co/2Jq1Fytklo pic.twitter.com/2tMXJSYxC0
— POLITICO (@politico) August 7, 2015
- *RUBIO: U.S. NEEDS E-VERIFY SYSTEM TO BOLSTER IMMIGRATION LAWS
- *SCOTT WALKER SAYS IMMIGRATION SYSTEM SHOULD FAVOR U.S. WORKERS
- *PAUL SAYS CHRISTIE FUNDAMENTALLY MISUNDERSTANDS BILL OF RIGHTS
- *CHRISTIE SAYS RAND PAUL BLOWS `HOT AIR' ON PRIVACY, TERRORISM
- *BUSH: KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW NOW, STARTING WAR IN IRAQ A MISTAKE
- *WALKER: U.S. NEEDS TO STOP `LEADING FROM BEHIND' IN MIDDLE EAST
- *HUCKABEE: COULD GET RID OF IRS WITH TAX ON CONSUMPTION
- *CARSON: U.S. TAX CODE SHOULD BE MODELED ON 10% BIBLICAL TITHE
- *HARPER SAYS OPPOSITION PLANS WILL LEAD TO PERMANENT DEFICITS
- *JEB BUSH ON KEYSTONE PIPELINE: `OF COURSE WE'RE FOR IT'
- *BUSH SAYS 2% U.S. GROWTH A DANGEROUS `NEW NORMAL'; HE SEEKS 4%
- *CHRISTIE: RAISE U.S. RETIREMENT AGE 2 YRS PHASED OVER 25 YRS
- *CHRISTIE SAYS SOCIAL SECURITY SHOULD BE MEANS-TESTED
- *RUBIO: NEVER ADVOCATED FOR ABORTION IN VIOLENT CASES
- *BUSH: NOT TRUE THAT HE CALLED TRUMP `BUFFOON'
- *KASICH: IF MY KIDS WERE GAY, WOULD `LOVE AND ACCEPT' THEM
- *WALKER SAYS PUT FORCES ON EASTERN BORDER OF UKRAINE, BALTICS
- *WALKER SAYS WOULD SHOW `STEEL' TO RUSSIA, NOT `MUSH' SOFTNESS
- *RAND PAUL SAYS HE'S ONLY CANDIDATE W/ 5-YR BALANCED BUDGET PLAN
- *PAUL: U.S. MUST STOP BORROWING MONEY TO AID OTHER COUNTRIES
- *PAUL: U.S. COULD AID ISRAEL FROM SURPLUS, NOT BORROWED FUNDS
Rand: “I don’t want my marriage or my guns registered in Washington"
— Megan McArdle (@asymmetricinfo) August 7, 2015
When the government tries to invade the church, it's time to resist. #standwithrand
— Dr. Rand Paul (@RandPaul) August 7, 2015
The attacks were varied...
Attacks in the first half of the debate include jabs between Paul, Trump and Christie. http://t.co/8Qif6AgSSI pic.twitter.com/v2HOkgDg6G
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) August 7, 2015
Candidate Mentions (by minute)...
Donald Trump mentions by minute. #OptimizedListening #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/Yx6LgL61GY
— Echelon (@EchelonInsights) August 7, 2015
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The Undercard....
Carly Fiorina's coming out party but the pre-debate debate was summarized as an attack on Trump and Clinton...
In the 5 p.m. debate, the Republican candidates directed their attacks off-stage http://t.co/2oWLDRpxqE pic.twitter.com/KICNtBA8mR
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) August 6, 2015
The 'biggest losers" debate was won by a landslide by Carly Fiorina...
Though Santirum spoke the most...
Who spoke the most in the 5 p.m. Republican debate http://t.co/wM2sZu0hex pic.twitter.com/ZpwLUmcBwn
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) August 6, 2015
Artist's impression of Rick Perry's team..."Throw the damn towel!!"
And The Other Not-So-Magnificent-Seven... (via Bloomberg)
Here’s a look at how each candidate fared under circumstances like nothing they’ve ever faced before, and like nothing they hope to ever go through again.
Carly Fiorina
Easily the most polished of anyone on the stage; you can see why she’s been impressing early audiences, and just how much of a difference she could make if she ever gets promoted to the adult’s table. She was assured and strong throughout, even when she connected Donald Trump to Bill Clinton. Moderator MacCallum mocked her for comparing herself to the “Iron Lady” Margaret Thatcher, but if you had no context for either woman and were just tuning in, you could almost see it. She also has the vital political skill of being able to deliver a shiv with a smile, even making an angry phone call to the Supreme Leader of Iran–“on Day One of the Oval Office!”–sound like a phone call you’d look forward to, even while you were shaking. Interestingly: She was the only candidate to consistently reference God. Though should be more careful about where she leaves her notes.
Jim Gilmore
He hasn’t even been in the race a week, so, understandably, he spent his first question just rattling off his biography. He did it a little too fast, though; he actually ran out of factoids three-quarters of the way through his answer, which was a bit awkward. Every question directed toward him had an audible sigh before it, like a Little League coach who has to give an at-bat to every kid, even when they know the other kids are the only ones who can hit the ball. He didn’t embarrass himself, but he didn’t do anything to distinguish himself either, which adds up to a big net negative. Also, his suit looked too big for him.
Lindsey Graham
You won’t find many Republican presidential candidates answering their first question at a Republican primary by going into extensive detail on fossil fuels, but hey, he’s been a Senator for a long time. Graham attempted to make up for by turning into the world’s most polite hawk the rest of the way: Graham turned every question after that into a diatribe against ISIS and Al Qaeda and our need to be aggressive in the Middle East. (No man has ever looked so genteel while vowing to secure the violent deaths of his enemies.) He even batted away a Planned Parenthood question, saying that the Middle East is the real “War on Women.” He remains a party attack dog to the end, particularly when it comes to Bill and Hillary, saying he’s “fluent in Clinton-speak; I’ve been dealing with it for 20 years.” Were you excited to hear the revival of the “definition of what ‘is” is” Clinton chestnut in the year 2015? If so, Lindsey Graham was here for you tonight.
Bobby Jindal
If anything, he succeeded in being a lot less Kenneth Parcell than in his infamous response to President Obama’s State of the Union, which is a start. It’s still disconcerting seeing such sharp rhetoric coming out of the mouth of such a friendly looking guy; he says he’s “taking the handcuffs off the military” to go after ISIS, but it feels more like the waterboy giving a big speech rather than the coach. (His “Obama and Hillary want to turn the American Dream into the European night” felt decidedly unapocalyptic.) He definitely scores points for being the only person in the debate to go after Jeb Bush, both a sign of the strength of Donald Trump and the weakness of Bush at this point; two months ago, this debate would have been seven people a race to call Bush the “establishment” the way Jindal, and Jindal alone, did this time. On the whole, though, he spoke the way a lot of voters in his party think, even if he doesn’t seem like the candidate they imagine speaking for them. Also, if elected, he is absolutely going to waste his first Executive Order, saying, he’d sign one “protecting religious liberty.” Who wants to tell him?
George Pataki
Well, George Pataki was here. He hasn’t really done anything, or even been in the public eye, since he was governor of New York, so he kept bringing that up like a middle-aged soft-in-the-middle jock who can’t stop telling you about the time he hit the game winner against Hickory South back in high school. Did you know Pataki was the governor on September 11? Pataki is happy to remind you several times. It was probably wise for him to focus on that, because his handling of the abortion question–he’s the only pro-choice candidate running for the Republican nomination–was muddled, defensive and weak, though, really, in this primary, and with those recent Planned Parenthood tapes, how could it not be? He was also the only candidate who consistently talked longer than the buzzer. It’s difficult to blame him.
Rick Perry
No one knows the perils of a poor debate showing better than Perry, so he seemed determined, almost over-determined, to show off his debate bona fides here. He stiffened his jaw, he dialed back the Texas homespunisms, he even threw in a “I’d say HELL NO” for good measure. (To the Ayatollah of Iran, no less, a guy who knows, in conservative minds, from Hell.) He may have been a little too fired up for the room; it’s difficult to be too much of a tough guy when there are more people on stage than in the audience. It was particularly strange to see him go so aggressively after Donald Trump, considering Trump wasn’t in the room; it’s odd to stand up to a guy who doesn’t even need to bother to show up yet. He definitely wanted Trump’s mojo, though. His answers on immigration were as forceful as anyone said on stage all night, tripling down to the point that he actually claimed his primary purpose in office would be to enforce the fight against illegal immigration, getting into so much detail that he even mentioned specific helicopters. Also: Good to know someone still uses Wite-Out.
And then there's this...
Rick Santorum
Santorum, who was as angry as anyone about these debate rules, went after them even further, pointing out (while inexplicably lapsing into the first person plural) that “we were even further behind four years ago than we are today.” (A salient point for a guy who won Iowa last time.) His answer on immigration—pointing to how his own father, an Italian immigrant, was separated from his father under Mussolini, said “America was worth the wait”—was personal but also underlined that he’s for separating families if it means following the letter of the law. Interestingly, Santorum, the supposed holy roller, didn’t say the word “God” once. He also brought up his “20-20 Perfect Vision of America” plan, which, when it comes to catchiness, isn’t quite 9-9-9.
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So in summary.. Fiorina #winning... Perry #RonaldRaven... and this...
Debate update pic.twitter.com/JnsY9MPqBR
— Michael Salfino (@MichaelSalfino) August 7, 2015
Finally where the moneyis being bet... (via PaddyPower)
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I called Perry an Australiopithecine in the last iteration.
Edit: I should link a brother up who gives a shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecine
It was not a debate, it was a bunch of Fox shills looking to sabotage everybody for Jebidiah!
Yes, but doesn't he embiggen us all?
He actually had a quite cromulent night.
Exactly, and I think it will backfire. Badly. The "reporter class" is one and the same, no matter what channel they are on. Chris Wallace is a Democrat, ffs.
These candidates need to give the middle finger to these "moderators" and hold their own debates on a non-news channel, with independent, objective, questions. No context, no editorializing, no opinions from the questioners.
Something like youtube streaming would be much better. Have them play some videogames in a debate and stream on twitch.
I forgot how biased Fox is. Followed up by watching fake CNN, report on the supposed outcome. The MSM is quite sick.
Great idea..this cable venue sucks. Maybe do it on C span..but moderators.. perghaps NON JOURNOS...part of the problem ..thse moderators are not journalists as much as entertainers. I would love to see Nigel Farage as a moderator, can not think of a single pundit or so called jounalst who could do the job. All those who could have...are dead
Agreed. TV journalism is dead. It's why their ratings are so bad. And I think FOX really peed in their chili tonight.
I love Nigel Farage. Daniel Hannen (sp?) as well. It would be almost impossible to find a human moderator to be objective, so my idea would be to limit the question to a certain number of words, so that the question has to be succinct. Some of the questions tonight were so convoluted and multi-leveled that it would have taken 30 minutes to give a decent answer. Not fair when you only have 60 seconds to answer.
Questions should be very short:
The Iran deal: What do you think?
That's it.
Rand Paul really kicked some ass!*
*his own
He gives trump a run for his money on the crazy hairdo.
I like Rand. But he positioned himself into a very tight spot by being much too willing to go along to get along in the Senate.
In the debate, he really tried to go after Trump. I understand the move: he has plunged in polls and needs a breakout moment. But such a move was prone to fail because, let's be honest, the anti-establishment contingent wants Trump (if for no other reason than to forcefully shake up the situation.)
Trump could have been better prepared on specific areas of trade: NAFTA, WTO, TPP, the H-1B visa mass scamming, the Fed bubble about to pop.
Then again, Megyn 'On My Knees' Kelley along with her rodent looking sidekick were asking perhaps the most inane questions imaginable. Bush was fluffered for the most part apart from his coordination with Bloomberg (though, there was no way to spin that easily.)
Back to Rand, his attack on Trump majorly backfired. Trump wasn't really going after him, Rand picked a fight, and the Donald calmly, almost reassuringly, said 'It's okay. You're having a tough night.' I'm not even convinced it was intended to be condescending (the panel was attempting to ass rape everyone but Bush and Kasich), but it made Trump seem undeniably in control of the moment.
Trump appeared like he was seeing the bigger picture. I don't think he prepared because he wanted to see if he needed to prepare the next go around. That's what I would do. If he doesn't roast everyone the next debate, then he is just a mouthpiece. All of these people are likeable to someone and that's why they got this far.
I like what Rand is saying, but he appears so puny. Sort of like the kid that's getting bullied on while speaking the truth. Fight Club per chance? Trump recognized this and wasn't going to bully the dweeb. That would make Trump look more weak. This wasn't a debate and more of an anwer and question session.
Trump was the winner? He didn't answer a single question about domestic or foreign policy and had absolutely no ideas. Wow, ZH, biased much?
There's another thread on here tonight about getting a trophy for showing up.
It's the advantage of low expectations. Everyone was sure he would just whip it out and piss on everyone and instead showed some restraint.
don't believe he was asked any policy questions - just personal smear question from the leftist hore
Your autism is astounding. Thank you for sharing with everyone.
Deez Nutz 2016
Based on the latest post debate poll results I am now certain that my fellow Americans are retarded. Doom awaits.
You have the wan, pasty sheen of a newb. Yet another in a long chain of ZH neophytes. Quick with their pointless opinions, offering nothing but churlish invectives.
The greasy spirit of Fonestar lives on.
That was a pretty speedy downvote Fonestar acolyte. Obsess much? Constantly refreshing your festering, heat-bloated ego.
Kinda like Jeb, McConnell, and Beohner.
Obama 3rd Term was the biggest winner. What a circus.
seems that Tyler has added the Canadian PM to the mix..
There you go, a fair go for Canadians -- but he still won't win.
The media is building the President and in that light, fuck them, vote Trump !
Well, it looks like the Republican establishment candidates - Bush, Christie, Kasich -- really flamed out.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Hillary is over, and Jeb is over.
It's NOT going to be Hillary vs. Jeb.
I wish this was true. Unfortunately, the establishment candidates are so well supported by the R-machine that beating them will be difficult, if not impossible, to do.
But, we'll try.
I'll vote for anyone the establishment hates. Trump, for now.
I certainly like your thoughts, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. The DemPublicans don't easily give up. Maybe Trump will receive an offer that he can't refuse, ala Ross Perot.
RICK FERRY!
RICK RAVEN
Ask this Question at the end of the debate. So why are you a republican?
For two hours you all have trashed the people in government in both parties, Mr Trump said he's here to win. Another words whatever it take.
What you saw at the end is 9 people lying about fixing the countries problems and selling their soul to the Party.
THE PARTY MUST WIN EVEN IF I DON'T.
same ol same ol
One good thing..the love affair between the right and Faux Noise may be coming to an end. Difficult to tear some away from their controlled opposition blanky ..but think Faux pulled it off tonight
We've pretty much stopped watching FNC, and tonight was their cuming out party for Fluffer of the week for the OnePartyMedia.
Yep, what they did tonight will backfire badly. The questions were ridiculous. They had a real opportunity tonight to bring substantive issues to the debate floor but they blew it by playing leftist "gotcha" questions.
I wouldn't expect anything less from Chris Wallace, but I'm very disappointed in Brett Bair.
They only have 1:20...
Has God spoken to you? WTF?
I'll say its over, I stopped watching about a year and a half ago around the same time I started reading articles at ZH.
Ive liked several of thease candidates in the past but after tonight I think most of them are no better then the rest of the Hacks we have in office.
I watched tonight because I thought it would be entertaining. The Trump Bashing has convinced me to never watch Fox News again.
As for Megan, still thinks she looks like an Alien!!!
Just for the record, I haven't had a TV in years. I hate Meghan Kelly and most of FOX News shows. They are liberals in conservative clothing.
Meghan Kelly? what a nauseating, repulsive, disgusting, little ....
Cruz is spot on when he talks about the Washington Cartel. They should have a full day of debates to discuss how to eliminate the Washington Cartel.
Any ZH'rs still sucking Goldman Sachs executive hubby Cruz's dick?
Can't get there cause yo mama be bogarting 'that joint.'
Biggest loser.... FAUX NEWS for setting up the candidates...especially Trump. So obvious, my elderly parents who are trapped in the Fox world started saying it looks like a setup. Gave me a chance to tell them it was and why. Maybe they'll listen.
I don't know. I was with some oldsters a few days ago and they were pissed off at Trump's McCain slam. Fox knows its audience. But like CBS back in the day, their audience is going to die off or go insane.
If the answer is Lindsay Graham, George Pataki, or Jim Gilmore . . . well . . . um . . .
what was the question???
People don't need to worry about Donald Trump running as a third party.
They need to worry about Jeb Bush running as a third party.
Jeb's party might be called "the Republican Party", but it will be the third place party.
I wish Trump woulda asked Megan Kelly if she'd blow him after she was finished w/ Jeb for the 10th time in one evening.
First words out of Megyn Kelly's mouth when discussing the 'women' question on the Kelly files was "Trump's Problem... ". Then she quickly tried to awkwardly cover herself with a 'some people like him' comment.
Her new nickname; GOProg Gobbler. Wear it proudly Megan.
Ben Carson. The clear winner.
If Carson had $10 billion he would have a chance. He is a gentleman and gives wonderful answers - but you cannot win on a shoestring campaign.
He's clearly intellegent, but I worry about him if elected being absolutely savaged by the devils, even the ones suppossedly protecting him and providing straight advice.
Looks like FNC failed tonight...Bush now second lowest in the spot poll:
BUSH 2.76% (3,309 votes)CARSON 9.55% (11,461 votes)
CHRISTIE 1.37% (1,649 votes)
CRUZ 13.57% (16,278 votes)
HUCKABEE 2.84% (3,412 votes)
KASICH 5.04% (6,050 votes)
PAUL 11.29% (13,546 votes)
RUBIO 8.72% (10,465 votes)
TRUMP 39.5% (47,383 votes)
WALKER 5.34% (6,411 votes)
Total Votes: 119,964
Bwaaaaaaa, Hahahhahaa! Bush and Christie fighting it out for last place at the Drudge Poll. I'm Luvin it!
Bush still sucking ass in second to last place in the Drudge poll. Best news today.
It was a hatchet job against Trump! Heavy handed and very obvious.
Looks like Obama, Hillary, and Jeb will be dressing down some FNC Clowns in the morning.
Might be Called Gaslighting, but I didn't see much of the whole.
Zh Fans,
Comedian Jimmy Dore usually has "mock phonecalls" with politicians on his Friday PM Show.
He's a Lefty; but pretty funny.
Misters Boehner, Perry, Christie (when I first heard it, I thought James Gandalfini was doing a Cameo. LMAO with all the FatBoy/Jersey Jokes - I lived in NJ for awhile), Luke Russert, and others.
He's on about 3PM Pacific on Fridays; but the uncensored Podcast is usually available from his website a few hours later.
http://www.kpfk.org/index.php/programs/178-jimmy-dore-live#.VcQshO6nHVM
His website for the uncensored version
http://www.jimmydorecomedy.com
Have fun!!!
Meant to watch the debate tonight but it slipped my mind. Last several elections I have watched all the debates... can't say it changed anything.
I am struck by the fact that post debate discussions center on who won and not on the grand ideas and theories raised. Someone mentioned the Loncoln/ Douglas debates... we have cone along way from there haven't we? And the truly amazing thing is that we have not hit bottom yet.
Scary, isn't it...
Terrifying.
You had to make it all so real didn't you?
I think I'll review tonight's event and see who if anyone uttered a four syllable word and make my selection...;/
"debate discussions center on who won and not on the grand ideas and theories raised"
There were no grand idea or theories raised! It was the usual offal of wedge social issues and blind militarism.
Nobody stood up and said "look, the Democrat politicians deliver tangible money benefits to their constitutents which Republicans must pay for, while Republican politicians promise only purity on wedge issues like abortion, gay marriage, and killing terrorists". When are Republicans going to get to the real issue of cutting benefits to the big Democrat "free shit army" of working age welfare recipients? When "entitlements" were brought up all anyone could talk about was Social Security and Medicare for retirees. What about SSI, Medicaid, SSDI, Section 8, aid to dependent children, etc. etc. for working age recipients which were never mentioned? All the republican politicians could talk about is "growing the economy" where everyone wins. What is wrong with Republican voters winning for change?
Almost every comment I'm seeing on other websites are about how pissed people are at FOX News. They have really outed themselves with their establishment bias.
The GOP is at war with the conservative base. They don't care about winning elections. They only want to raise money. And FOX is squarely on their side.
They have no idea (even after losing the last two elections) that the conservative base is finished with that crap.
I'll vote Trump as an Independent with no hesitation should Jeb actually be annointed...much like Romney and McCain were pulled across the Party Line.
Me too. I am a conservative, not a Republican. I have voted independent or third party several times. And I am unconcerned by what the establishment thinks of that.
I haven't since 1980, but it'll be easy in 2016. It shoulda been easier for me in 2008 and 2012.
Bingo! Fox has no idea how pissed the Republican base really is. And that blond gal shilling for Fox was far more arrogant and abrasive than Trump.
The opening photo has Jeb Bush standing front and center - pure coincidence I'm sure. He's either on a soapbox or just a lot taller than the rest.
His posture indiactes he takes himself to be royalty. Much more rigid and regal than the other asshats.
Fuck 'em all.
I saw that, too -- they were supposed to be arranged so that Trump, #1, would be in the center, but an even number of contestants allowed Bush to claim that spot. Next time, Trump should edge him slowly to his spot.
Thunderdome would be more entertaining. Besides, at this point, what difference does it make?
Perry is dumber than a sack of hammers.
He is even dumber than Biden.
And Trump's showing is America's way of saying "You have been fucking us in the ass long enough."
Trump is our Winston Wolf.
I wish Helen Thomas could have been there to tear them to shreds to the last man and then head for the Democrats. As it is she died after being sacked for asking to many questions about Zionism and our constant BS wars that are fought on their behalf. Not likely to hear those questions asked again or the delighful fear in the eyes of any politician when they saw her coming. One of the last questions I remember her asking was something to the effect of "who is arming Israel".
RIP Helen Thomas.
She was one of the filthiest of intellect and spirit that I've ever witnessed from a so called journalist. A beast all the way to the grave. Rot in hell, Helen Thomas, Terrorist Mouthpiece
"Terrorist Mouthpiece"
Care to substantiate that or is Israel's dick too far down your throat? What about our country?
"Once we squeeze all that we can out the United States it can dry up and blow away" -Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
Here is another for shits and giggles.
http://www.haaretz.com/beta/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044
some idiot brings up helen thomas the old hag of DC..the in the bag, bag lady of the DNC..big lover of carlos danger (Huma's beard)..some posters think the ZH crowd has no memory..anti israel ..LOL she was 10lbs of shit in a 5lb bag.
Would you care to elaborate on how she was in the bag because all I saw was her ask inconvenient questions and get knocked out of the press core. She may have been a bag in the beginning but then she went rogue and it was exquisite. If she has a history of being a bag than would you care to disclose it? For expedience here are a few facts paraphrased (damn cut and paste isn't working) from Wikipedia, they are confirmed by countless other sources.
..Helen left UPI the day it was acquired by the international media conglomerate New Worlds Communications Inc. She made statements to the fact that the buyout was "a bridge too far" and felt that she had already been self sensoring for too long.
During the Bush administration Helen asks and comments the following "Where do the Israelis get their arms", "The Palestinian people are fighting for their land", "I am covering the worst president in US history", "The day Dick Cheney runs for president I will kill myself all we need is another liar.. sad day for America if he does"
She is accused of anti Israeli rhetoric, Thomas is moved from the front row of the press to the back row. Obviously she is no longer able to ask first question as is tradition. Although rarely called upon Helen still wreaks havok. For appearances Obama allows Thomas in front row briefly, he regrets this immediately when Thomas asks him "which countries in the ME have nuclear weapons". Obama says he would rather not speculate on such matters.
Helen then implodes by making statements to the effect that "Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine..... go home" "blatant anit Semitism against Arabs" (nice tactic there). "Congress Hollywood, the White House and Wallstreet are all owned by Zionism, No question in my opinion"
Then the Anti-Defamation league joins in and it's over. Helen remarks "I paid a price but telling the truth was worth it".
What a bag lady indeed!
The best outcome of this debate, and the forthcoming Democratic Party debate, would have been if the ceiling of the venue came collapsing down on all of them.
EDIT: But respect to Trump for his handling of things tonight. If you pledge that you will support any other candidate nominated by the party if you lose, you demonstrate that you have no capacity for any independent thought and in my view that makes you immediately unsuitable for presidency.
Only losers would already think about losing to back someone else they are debating against. Everyone who kept their hand down says they acknowledge they may lose.
i can not see past fiorina's
enslavement, poor lady, to the myths
that are perpetuated by the bankers
of old. ya know, the first phone call
reveals her as the slave she is, dedicated
and irredeemable. it is no small indicator
that the "press" has developed a hard on for her.
they share an encrusted master.
.
ridiculous and stupid never fail to entertain
the desperate.
Rubio suprised me
He looked presidential - the Latino Kennedy perhaps.
Electable - that's another thing altogether. Lots of 'candidates' seemed to be running for VP - somewhat strange.
I was keen on seeing any hints of tension between Rubio and Jeb. Wasn't really noticeable...Bush even called Marco a "friend." There is a lot of tension there however.
He is not a natural born citizen, would repeal any states' decisions re medical/recreational marijuana and use goons to raid them. No on Rubio.
Faux News is a Rupert brain diarrhea. Why would anyone outside NYC give a drizzle about what a bunch of mini-bleacher mob urchins think about anything? And then they parade in that bunch of Wall Street analysts and some goofy frizzy haired Democrat bitch that's still hung up on victim hood.
You people vote, I'm not wasting my time on this septic tank. Cruz pointed out that the Repub leadership has copped out by circle-jerking watching it all collapse. Of course, his spouse is a Goldman Sachs leave of absence dipshit.
So hard to decide who I want for my lord, king and master.
Trump won that debate despite Fox trying to smear him. Trump still has my vote.
This is truly theater of the absurd/ village idiots convention. Did any of the potential “candidates” address any issue that affects working/unemployed people? It is precisely the policies advocated by this group that has created the biggest economic disaster since the Great Depression, which may well end up being worse. These policies include- multiple tax cuts for the wealthy replaced by regressive taxes (eg. sales tax), job out-sourcing (NAFTA), union busting, financial deregulation, taxpayer funded multi-trillion $ wars in ME (also led to creation of ISIS/ISIL) and Wall St bank outs. Chris Christie patted himself on the back regarding his role “fighting” terrorism during his tenure (sinecure?) in the Justice Department, conveniently forgetting that 15 of the 19 hijackers in the 911 attacks were Saudi nationals. Recall that John McCain- of Keating 5 fame (Link: www.azcentral.com/story/azdc/2014/04/06/keating-five-scandal-dogs-mccain/7328163) recieved 47 million votes in his bid for President in 2008. My late and wise mom would always come up with a pithy quote/ truism- Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel: Samuel Johnson
Bottom line- we have the best government money can buy. (It is not so good if you are poor).
ah, you actually have to be asked good questions to begin with - not gotcha questions - terrible fail of faus news
And be given more than 60 seconds to answer.
look, it wasn't a debate. It never is, because that's the system. It's just Q&As w/ very limited time alloted. For most that's great, because they couldn't practice for more than a few sentences of canned snippets from their stump speech.
As if debates matter. Scott Walker is the Koch candidate and therefore the nominee. No one else has a say in the matter.
Koch isn't a particularly influential voice within the RNC.
Not exactly.
The "W" in George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush, stands for .... Walker.
Remember Diebold counts the votes. This is for entertainment value and maybe a couple lucky mentions for the Bill of Rights and pertinent issues. The banks own everything.
If you do vote make sure you piss on the Diebold machine for me.
Diebold does not count the votes - they just confirm the numbers they are told.
...With proprietary software. I think they are called Premier Election Solutions now.
wow, right from the start foxnews tries to trash Trump & continued through the nite, followed by a scripted hit piece from the "pundents" & right into the BS panel afterwords. Fair & Balance my ass. I predicted this exact outcome to a tee. Disgusting display of the power of the oligarchs to control the message, the debates, the commentary etc etc. Was trump ever asked a question that was not personal in nature or a attack?
Go Bush GO & F these rino fraudsters
Had enough of the roal family. No Bush, no Clintons!
Trump hit a home run talking on the post debate interview with Hannity. He even got two digs on Megyn Kelly, saying her questions were 'not nice'. Hannity did not disagree.
Just watched Carly shut down Chris Mathews on Hillary. I'm going to watch her more carefully.
http://t.co/61PpaQzUPv
I never saw her before now, but little part, she go about Iran is worst and most all
of terrorism of world..,.with no explanation or details same as others
Trump has my vote but listening tonight to these holy roller clowns talk up god and take shots at Planned Parenthood makes you wonder if the Republicans couldn't beat Obama who the heck can they beat? I don't have cable so watched at a sports bar and the younger generation couldn't relate to any of the 10 fruitcakes spewing their professed godliness. They can't wrap their mind around what place religion has in an election for POTUS. Sanders romanticism could capture young voters if they can pull themselves away from their i-shit to actually go out and vote. It's an embarrasment that this is what we have come up with.
crooked oligarcg chamber hores: bone er , mc turtle & now leftist fauxnews -
Thanks for the run down, I haven't watch fux news in 15 years or any other teevee news for that matter. I would rather be marooned on an island with Hillary than listen to that crap.
As someone mentioned above you can't get any dumber than Joe Biden.
This candidates would score big if they would just attack the news mouth pieces for the low level subhuman trash they really are.
I assume nobody mentioned they were going Jackson and print their own money.
Anyone ask Bush why he put part of the Florida State pension plan into Enron just before it went bandrupt? Maybe ask him about his mum being the daughter of Aleister Crowley the satanist? You know the one who called Hitler his magic child?
I wonder what Trumps rating would have been if he had said he was looking forward to working with Putin and forming a multi-polar world? LOL Maybe say we are going to stop Isreal from burning up infants?
If it is going to be Trump, then it should be Trump/Ventura. If not I certainly hope Rand can stop trying to play both sides, take some of that Trump anti-establishment thunder and rage, then take some stronger positions. He is not going to win the neocon vote, so stop trying. They already placed a hex on him. Libertarians are skeptical because he just seems to be trying to please the hawks and is taking the libertarian vote for granted. Rand, coming stronger and don't back down when they do come after you. Take a lesson from Trump.
Neocons are laughing at Rand Paul. On another note think of this for a good laugh. A Trump/Rand Paul ticket. Geesh look at the hair! LoL!
Pleased to see the Terminator is hanging in there in the betting stakes, even if it is 100/1. Probably better still to see David Petraeus there with an even better chance (66/1) at the nomination, looking for a chance to get some payback on Obama.
Petraus is Georgetown University jesuit trained.Petaus won't say anything, he knows his role
As are
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102666&page=3
Georgetown University the private Jesuit college is where you go to really get ahead however. Are these Jesuits talented or simply connected?
Jesuit trained, George Goebbels, George Tenet, Pat Buchanan, Joseph Stalin, Timothy Leary, King Juan Carlos, William Casey, Robert Gates, John Kerry, Denzel Washington, Robert Bobby Baer (CIA), King Abdullah (Jordan), Alexander Haig, Tom Clancey, Conan Doyle, Rene Descartes, Peter Lynch (Merrill Lynch) Antonin Scalia, Bill Murray, Alfred Hitchcock, Vicente Fox (Mexican Strongman) Charles De Gaulle, General Peter Pace, General David Petraeus, General James Jones, General George Casey, Nicolas Cage. Bill Clinton earned a Rhodes Scholarship to attend the University of Oxford after he graduated from Georgetown University, a private Jesuit college.HRH Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece, Prince of Denmark (MSFS 1995)
HRH Prince Philippos of Greece and Denmark (SFS 2008), the third son and fifth child of King Constantine II of Greece and Princess Anne-Marie of Denmark (Queen Anne-Marie of Greece), the youngest daughter of King Frederick IX of Denmark and sister of the reigning Queen Margrethe II of Denmark
HH Prince Bernhard of Orange-Nassau, van Vollenhoven (SSCE 1988–1989), from the Dutch Royal Family, being cousin of the former Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands
HRH Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg (SFS 1987), the third son and youngest child of Grand Duke Jean and Grand Duchess Josephine-Charlotte of Luxembourg
HM Felipe VI, King of Spain (MSFS 1995)
HRH Prince Turki bin Faisal Al Saud, son of the late King Faisal (SFS 1968)
HRH Mohammed bin Nawwaf bin Abdul Aziz (SFS 1981)
HRH Prince Hashim bin Al Hussein of Jordan (SFS 2005), the younger of the two sons of King Hussein and Queen Noor of Jordan, and half-brother of the reigning King Abdullah II of Jordan
Abdullah flashes the mano carnuto to Putin
HRH Prince Talal bin Muhammad of Jordan (SFS 1989, G 1989), the eldest son of Prince Muhammad bin Talal, the younger brother of King Hussein of Jordan, and the grandson of King Talal of Jordan
HRH Princess Ghida of Jordan (SFS 1986, G 1986)
HH Don Agustín de Iturbide y Green, Prince of Iturbide (C B.Phil.) – grandson of Don Agustín de Iturbide, the first Emperor of Mexico; became adopted son of Emperor Maximilian I and Empress Carlota of Mexico, from the House of Habsburg, and as the Emperors had no children, he became the heir to the throne; in exile (as Emperor Don Agustín III of Mexico, de jure) he taught Spanish and French at Georgetown for many years (died 1925).
http://albainternazionale.blogspot.it/2015/08/la-cina-offrira-tecnologia...
Iran and China F-10 vs Oil
This is the jew dick sucking contest. How in the fuck can anyone with half a braincell not see that? Yes, O absolutely love watching Trump be abrasive and fire back at those foxnews fuck but..............When Rand was being asked about israel, they showed Trump and he was giving him the dirtiest look in the world, so he's obviously pro israel as well. I think the jews are scared of Trump being president because he would be a lot harder to control than the little disgusting prostitutes like jeb, christie, cruz, FUCKabee....... who all went out of their way to make sure they told their masters they are pro israel.
This has been sent to Huckabee. Also sent to over 100 Christian churches, universities and Synods across the USA.
http://presstv.com/Detail/2015/08/07/423647/Israel-Bentzion-Gupstein-Wes...
Gopstein is a local nutjob. Unlike what the pressTV article describes, he is not a settler "leader". He is the leader of the lehava organization, devoted among other things to prevent arabs from mingling with jewish girls. He has a small army of 16 year old "religious" thugs harassing arabs all over jerusalem. Once in a while, the thugs burn down a building.
He has been arrested a few times but always released, even after the most serious incidents such as the burning of a church, the killing of an arab baby and an arab boy before. In all fairness, he doesnt do anything but talk and encourage his minions, too young and excitable, who just need a fiery sermon to go kill someone.
Personally i think he is brave, fearless and a catalyst for the future desintegration of Israel. Nobody in the state of Tel Aviv likes him.
Another widely quoted nutjob was Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who once said non jews existed to serve jews or some such drivel. Virtually all rabbis and "religious" folks think like that up to a point, particularly among anyone who belongs to Chabad Lubavitch. You dont see that in Tel Aviv, you see that in Jerusalem and the eastern territories.
Great coverage Tylers...thanks.
In America everyone is a winner! No losers allowed---it's politically incorrect.
Carson. At least he is not a career politician and he may be naive in some things, but at least I think he genuinely will try to do the right thing, unlike Obama. His heart is not corrupt, as a doctor, he is in the business of saving lives. His career has been to help people get their lives back. From what I can tell, Carson is not a liarliar.
it would be something if the Repub's would actualy elect him
the business end of it for them will probably prevent it, too bad
libtard media would love to attack some one so conservative with moral values
i guess we are gonna get what we have become.
He actually came across very well. Unfortunately, if he got into office, the political machine would make him look worse than they made Carter look in the 70's.
The biggest problem for Carson is to build frenzied excitement - enough to get people to put down their smartphones and donate to his campaign, enough to create a following in the caucus states, and enough to make all those stupid annoying political phone calls we all get.
So few real questions from the Fox clowns-
Jobs, Trade deals, China/Russia, Cops/Black/Racial tension, deficits, Wall Street and bankers reform, Obamacare.
They touched on just a few - to maybe one or two candidates - then moved on to stupid questions all over the place. I was waiting for Megyn to ask about Cecil the Lion.
I wanna see Jeb beat down Rove tomorrow and make him squeal like a pig...(Ned Beatty in Deliverance).
If the WW3 has to occur the situation can only deteriorate further and whosoever comes next will only lead to the inevitable end:
Living with radiation
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150806151400.htm
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Get ready americans , some radiation is good for you
It activitates the immune system I've read...just don't get too much sun. ;0
You should eat about an ounce of plutonium. Let us know how it turns out.
how bout you dirty lazy drunken Micks eat another CockoftheCrown?
I would rather vote for an object. A thing. Like cars! Muscle cars like a Chevelle or GTO would get my vote. Tri Power Goat 2016! Nothing projects power like the throaty roar of a finely tuned 60's 70's muscle car. The opposition would probably be a little rice burner tuned up a little with a stupid ass loud muffler that sounds like a swarm of flies. Even non car nuts would have to go with the muscle cars. The debate would be simple. What would you rather have, a smooth, powerful, leather interior American muscle car or a tiny beer can, chopped and lowered so that it rides like a dump truck with brain damaging low frequency bass emanating from it.
The choice is simple America, vote for the Tri Powered GTO! VRRRROOM!
Since two names go on the ticket.....how about we throw in a nice Challenger with a 440 sixpack? Or perhaps a Mach 1 Mustang with a 429 Cobrajet?
Awww. Hell. Yeah.
Trump Won the debate?
I WAS a Trump fan because he's anti establishment/MSM. However, he came across like a playground bully who can't be taken seriously...
And that wasn't obvious from the getgo??
When Megyn said something about Trump saying something about some woman being best on her knees.... I was holding my breath to see if Trump was brave enough to explain to Megyn that the only reason why men watch her is because that's how they picture her (iow, if she really thinks any man hears anything she says, she is delusional).
Pick a puppet.
LOL
Maybe one of them will promise also to "close Guantanamo," "lower taxes," "no new taxes," "be the most transparent ever," "keep your doctor," etc.
Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..
And of course the next puppet has already been chosen by Zion.
Trump/Carson with Fiorina as Secretary of State.
" *WALKER SAYS PUT FORCES ON EASTERN BORDER OF UKRAINE, BALTICS"
Brilliant strategy! /s
Where is Ron Paul when his country needs him ??
No current candidate of either party has
the integrity, character, or slightest understanding
of the complexity of the problems facing US and the world,
or the intelligence, experience, and evenness of
temperament required to deal with or solve any
of these problems.
It is a constellation of canditates notable
for their extreme shallowness.
Probably taking an aspirin for the headache that inevitably comes when one beats their head against brick walls.
O.B.A.M.A - One Big Ass Mistake America - fuck da nigga - Go Trump
The people on this site sound like they actually believe that there is a deomcracy in the US and that their vote counts. Amusing, but at the same time tragic.
Its a very tragic joke. Meanwhile during this cluster fuck ''debate''. US forces are attacking Syria and this morning the USA stated they will attack Syrian govt forces who are fighting the USA backed terrorists.
Same as in Libya
And the shit for brains Americans swallow the big LIES that Assad is the bad guy
The most vile evil bad guys reside in Washington D.C. and Tel Aviv.
You have to watch Russia Today to get REAL news.
Thats how far gone the USSA is now.
A Bevy of Bozos.
Trump is a deal-maker. A car salesman. He knows his victims...err...customers well....knows just where their buttons are to push - says exactly what they want to hear. Just like the best of sociopaths.
Think about this folks....Trump is a sociopathic billionaire. Say over in your mind...Trump is a sociopathic billionaire....a BILLIONAIRE! Do you seriously believe this man means anything he is saying to you?
Such naivety among people who under other circumstances and on other subjects would be intelligent and informed. I really haven't seen such irrational support for a candidate since Obama first stepped out of nowhere and took the country by storm. It was predictable then Obama was a ringer, and it is predictable now that Trump is.
They are ALL vile sociopaths and psychopaths in suits. ALL of THEM.
They are ALL vile sociopaths and psychopaths in suits. ALL of THEM.
He appeals mostly to our anger, just as Obama did. Those types of candidates are never good presidents.
Trump is a well-polished mirror. Look at him and he will reflect a accurate and concise image of yourself back at you. But that's all a mirror does - reflect. It will DO nothing except to allow you to preen yourself in front of it and shout to the world what a magnificent image it casts.
What is scary is that any Americxans who take any of these fucking psychos seriously.
Buffoons and gasbags every one...
these are the best liars, thieves and psychopaths the fucktard nation can assemble!!
Nothing more than a final dog and pony show for the masses to cover the coming economic collapse, MOAR BREAD AND CIRCUSES GODDAMMITT!!!
Meanwhile everyone jacking off listening to these Bozos...THIS is going on.
You won't see THIS reported in any USA media
http://presstv.com/Detail/2015/08/07/423647/Israel-Bentzion-Gupstein-Wes...