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GOP Debates Post-Mortem: Fiorina Wins Undercard; Trump Takes Title, Threatens Independent Run
17 Entered... Despite the onslaught of attacks from the other 16 GOP Presidential nominee candidates, Donald Trump came out the 'winner' in his usual brash manner threatening to run as an independent and able to dominate the conversation, pitbull back at any jibes, and shrug off cozy Clintonite comments. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul appeared to have a strong showing but "had a tough night" in Trump's words. Rick Perry blew up again, calling the former President Ronald 'Raven' - which his team vehemently denied the entire FOX watching audience heard. Carly Fiorina easily won the undercard against a field of has-beens and wannabes and surely deserves some more top-billing in the next Republican death-match. In the immortal words of Kenny Rogers, we hope a few of the 17-strong gaggle now "know when to fold 'em," and can we suggest Rick Perry's corner "throws in the damn towel."
The Main Event..
Trump came out swinging hard...
- *TRUMP ONLY CANDIDATE WHO DOESN'T PLEDGE TO BACK GOP NOMINEE
- *TRUMP SAYS WON'T RULE OUT INDEPENDENT BID FOR PRESIDENT
As AP reports,
The first Republican primary debate got off to a contentious start Thursday, with billionaire businessman Donald Trump declaring he could not commit to supporting the party's eventual nominee — unless it's him — and would not rule out running as a third-party candidate.
"I will not make the pledge at this time," Trump said. He also refused to apologize for making insulting comments about women, saying, "The big problem this country has is being political correct."
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul immediately jumped in to challenge Trump on his answer to the question about supporting the nominee.
"He's already hedging his bets because he's used to buying politicians," Paul said.
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Trump spoke the most...
Donald Trump addresses political correctness in the U.S. at the GOP debate http://t.co/0EA9i4yHRh pic.twitter.com/fod5sM7MkU
— POLITICO (@politico) August 7, 2015
- *TRUMP, ASKED ON COMMENTS ON WOMEN, SAYS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT
- *TRUMP REITERATES NEED TO BUILD A WALL ON U.S.-MEXICO BORDER
- *TRUMP: MEXICO SENDS `THE BAD ONES OVER' TO THE U.S.
- *TRUMP SAYS HAS USED U.S. BANKRUPTCY LAWS TO HIS ADVANTAGE
- *TRUMP: `I HAD THE GOOD SENSE TO LEAVE ATLANTIC CITY'
- *TRUMP: `I'VE EVOLVED ON MANY ISSUES' OVER YEARS
- *TRUMP: IF IRAN WAS A STOCK, YOU SHOULD GO OUT AND BUY IT
- *TRUMP: IRAN IS A `DISGRACE'; SAYS WOULD BE STRONGER THAN OBAMA
Trump: "Our leaders are stupid. Our politicians are stupid."
— John Bresnahan (@BresPolitico) August 7, 2015
Headlines for rest of field... (based on Bloomberg Politics)
- *CHRISTIE, ASKED ON NJ DOWNGRADES, SAYS WORSE BEFORE HIS TENURE
- *KASICH DEFENDS MEDICAID EXPANSION IN OHIO AS COST-SAVING
.@JohnKasich: "Donald Trump's hitting a nerve in this country. People are frustrated." http://t.co/2Jq1Fytklo pic.twitter.com/2tMXJSYxC0
— POLITICO (@politico) August 7, 2015
- *RUBIO: U.S. NEEDS E-VERIFY SYSTEM TO BOLSTER IMMIGRATION LAWS
- *SCOTT WALKER SAYS IMMIGRATION SYSTEM SHOULD FAVOR U.S. WORKERS
- *PAUL SAYS CHRISTIE FUNDAMENTALLY MISUNDERSTANDS BILL OF RIGHTS
- *CHRISTIE SAYS RAND PAUL BLOWS `HOT AIR' ON PRIVACY, TERRORISM
- *BUSH: KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW NOW, STARTING WAR IN IRAQ A MISTAKE
- *WALKER: U.S. NEEDS TO STOP `LEADING FROM BEHIND' IN MIDDLE EAST
- *HUCKABEE: COULD GET RID OF IRS WITH TAX ON CONSUMPTION
- *CARSON: U.S. TAX CODE SHOULD BE MODELED ON 10% BIBLICAL TITHE
- *HARPER SAYS OPPOSITION PLANS WILL LEAD TO PERMANENT DEFICITS
- *JEB BUSH ON KEYSTONE PIPELINE: `OF COURSE WE'RE FOR IT'
- *BUSH SAYS 2% U.S. GROWTH A DANGEROUS `NEW NORMAL'; HE SEEKS 4%
- *CHRISTIE: RAISE U.S. RETIREMENT AGE 2 YRS PHASED OVER 25 YRS
- *CHRISTIE SAYS SOCIAL SECURITY SHOULD BE MEANS-TESTED
- *RUBIO: NEVER ADVOCATED FOR ABORTION IN VIOLENT CASES
- *BUSH: NOT TRUE THAT HE CALLED TRUMP `BUFFOON'
- *KASICH: IF MY KIDS WERE GAY, WOULD `LOVE AND ACCEPT' THEM
- *WALKER SAYS PUT FORCES ON EASTERN BORDER OF UKRAINE, BALTICS
- *WALKER SAYS WOULD SHOW `STEEL' TO RUSSIA, NOT `MUSH' SOFTNESS
- *RAND PAUL SAYS HE'S ONLY CANDIDATE W/ 5-YR BALANCED BUDGET PLAN
- *PAUL: U.S. MUST STOP BORROWING MONEY TO AID OTHER COUNTRIES
- *PAUL: U.S. COULD AID ISRAEL FROM SURPLUS, NOT BORROWED FUNDS
Rand: “I don’t want my marriage or my guns registered in Washington"
— Megan McArdle (@asymmetricinfo) August 7, 2015
When the government tries to invade the church, it's time to resist. #standwithrand
— Dr. Rand Paul (@RandPaul) August 7, 2015
The attacks were varied...
Attacks in the first half of the debate include jabs between Paul, Trump and Christie. http://t.co/8Qif6AgSSI pic.twitter.com/v2HOkgDg6G
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) August 7, 2015
Candidate Mentions (by minute)...
Donald Trump mentions by minute. #OptimizedListening #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/Yx6LgL61GY
— Echelon (@EchelonInsights) August 7, 2015
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The Undercard....
Carly Fiorina's coming out party but the pre-debate debate was summarized as an attack on Trump and Clinton...
In the 5 p.m. debate, the Republican candidates directed their attacks off-stage http://t.co/2oWLDRpxqE pic.twitter.com/KICNtBA8mR
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) August 6, 2015
The 'biggest losers" debate was won by a landslide by Carly Fiorina...
Though Santirum spoke the most...
Who spoke the most in the 5 p.m. Republican debate http://t.co/wM2sZu0hex pic.twitter.com/ZpwLUmcBwn
— NYT Graphics (@nytgraphics) August 6, 2015
Artist's impression of Rick Perry's team..."Throw the damn towel!!"
And The Other Not-So-Magnificent-Seven... (via Bloomberg)
Here’s a look at how each candidate fared under circumstances like nothing they’ve ever faced before, and like nothing they hope to ever go through again.
Carly Fiorina
Easily the most polished of anyone on the stage; you can see why she’s been impressing early audiences, and just how much of a difference she could make if she ever gets promoted to the adult’s table. She was assured and strong throughout, even when she connected Donald Trump to Bill Clinton. Moderator MacCallum mocked her for comparing herself to the “Iron Lady” Margaret Thatcher, but if you had no context for either woman and were just tuning in, you could almost see it. She also has the vital political skill of being able to deliver a shiv with a smile, even making an angry phone call to the Supreme Leader of Iran–“on Day One of the Oval Office!”–sound like a phone call you’d look forward to, even while you were shaking. Interestingly: She was the only candidate to consistently reference God. Though should be more careful about where she leaves her notes.
Jim Gilmore
He hasn’t even been in the race a week, so, understandably, he spent his first question just rattling off his biography. He did it a little too fast, though; he actually ran out of factoids three-quarters of the way through his answer, which was a bit awkward. Every question directed toward him had an audible sigh before it, like a Little League coach who has to give an at-bat to every kid, even when they know the other kids are the only ones who can hit the ball. He didn’t embarrass himself, but he didn’t do anything to distinguish himself either, which adds up to a big net negative. Also, his suit looked too big for him.
Lindsey Graham
You won’t find many Republican presidential candidates answering their first question at a Republican primary by going into extensive detail on fossil fuels, but hey, he’s been a Senator for a long time. Graham attempted to make up for by turning into the world’s most polite hawk the rest of the way: Graham turned every question after that into a diatribe against ISIS and Al Qaeda and our need to be aggressive in the Middle East. (No man has ever looked so genteel while vowing to secure the violent deaths of his enemies.) He even batted away a Planned Parenthood question, saying that the Middle East is the real “War on Women.” He remains a party attack dog to the end, particularly when it comes to Bill and Hillary, saying he’s “fluent in Clinton-speak; I’ve been dealing with it for 20 years.” Were you excited to hear the revival of the “definition of what ‘is” is” Clinton chestnut in the year 2015? If so, Lindsey Graham was here for you tonight.
Bobby Jindal
If anything, he succeeded in being a lot less Kenneth Parcell than in his infamous response to President Obama’s State of the Union, which is a start. It’s still disconcerting seeing such sharp rhetoric coming out of the mouth of such a friendly looking guy; he says he’s “taking the handcuffs off the military” to go after ISIS, but it feels more like the waterboy giving a big speech rather than the coach. (His “Obama and Hillary want to turn the American Dream into the European night” felt decidedly unapocalyptic.) He definitely scores points for being the only person in the debate to go after Jeb Bush, both a sign of the strength of Donald Trump and the weakness of Bush at this point; two months ago, this debate would have been seven people a race to call Bush the “establishment” the way Jindal, and Jindal alone, did this time. On the whole, though, he spoke the way a lot of voters in his party think, even if he doesn’t seem like the candidate they imagine speaking for them. Also, if elected, he is absolutely going to waste his first Executive Order, saying, he’d sign one “protecting religious liberty.” Who wants to tell him?
George Pataki
Well, George Pataki was here. He hasn’t really done anything, or even been in the public eye, since he was governor of New York, so he kept bringing that up like a middle-aged soft-in-the-middle jock who can’t stop telling you about the time he hit the game winner against Hickory South back in high school. Did you know Pataki was the governor on September 11? Pataki is happy to remind you several times. It was probably wise for him to focus on that, because his handling of the abortion question–he’s the only pro-choice candidate running for the Republican nomination–was muddled, defensive and weak, though, really, in this primary, and with those recent Planned Parenthood tapes, how could it not be? He was also the only candidate who consistently talked longer than the buzzer. It’s difficult to blame him.
Rick Perry
No one knows the perils of a poor debate showing better than Perry, so he seemed determined, almost over-determined, to show off his debate bona fides here. He stiffened his jaw, he dialed back the Texas homespunisms, he even threw in a “I’d say HELL NO” for good measure. (To the Ayatollah of Iran, no less, a guy who knows, in conservative minds, from Hell.) He may have been a little too fired up for the room; it’s difficult to be too much of a tough guy when there are more people on stage than in the audience. It was particularly strange to see him go so aggressively after Donald Trump, considering Trump wasn’t in the room; it’s odd to stand up to a guy who doesn’t even need to bother to show up yet. He definitely wanted Trump’s mojo, though. His answers on immigration were as forceful as anyone said on stage all night, tripling down to the point that he actually claimed his primary purpose in office would be to enforce the fight against illegal immigration, getting into so much detail that he even mentioned specific helicopters. Also: Good to know someone still uses Wite-Out.
And then there's this...
Rick Santorum
Santorum, who was as angry as anyone about these debate rules, went after them even further, pointing out (while inexplicably lapsing into the first person plural) that “we were even further behind four years ago than we are today.” (A salient point for a guy who won Iowa last time.) His answer on immigration—pointing to how his own father, an Italian immigrant, was separated from his father under Mussolini, said “America was worth the wait”—was personal but also underlined that he’s for separating families if it means following the letter of the law. Interestingly, Santorum, the supposed holy roller, didn’t say the word “God” once. He also brought up his “20-20 Perfect Vision of America” plan, which, when it comes to catchiness, isn’t quite 9-9-9.
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So in summary.. Fiorina #winning... Perry #RonaldRaven... and this...
Debate update pic.twitter.com/JnsY9MPqBR
— Michael Salfino (@MichaelSalfino) August 7, 2015
Finally where the moneyis being bet... (via PaddyPower)
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America is Z.O.G.
If you think ANY of these people in either party will make a difference , you are totally deluded.
Trump has been portrayed, and plays on, being "different." He will poll well in certain quarters for that reason alone, whatever he says or does. But, I don't think he advanced his position in this first [not really a] debate. He likely is a genuine sociopath, but so are most highly successful business people - driven, egocentric, extreme Type A personalities who don't accept failure. He is probably, in fact, more sociopathic than most politicians, hard as that might be for many here to accept.
It appears you have some little yappy Trump lapdogs who disagree with you... ;-)
No matter what the polls say NOW, if you don't see Trump or anyone of them at the Wailing Wall between now and next November and/or doesn't say anything about Israel being our friend and ally, then NONE of these Bozos has a chance in hell of being elected.
Both Trump's kids married Jews and his grandkids are Jewish. His top executives are Jewish - even a Cohen. The man worships Netanyahu.
So is Trump America's man? Maybe so, if he can spread his legs wider than Hillary.
Trump did no threat. Stop exaggerate...
Otherwise, that not debate, but question entertainment
Debate is all respond same questions, time strict rules.
Only aggression by hosts was at Trump..failed
The hosts despicable, blonde suka the worst irritant
Let's get the "perfect" ticket together here:
Trump/Fiorina. Shuts down the feminist desire for the Hitlery beast. Deals with the mexican problem.
Putin head of National Security. Will lead the anti-bolshevik purge of the nation. All dual-citizen zionist's deported via rail car. The gay agenda will be terminated. Monsatan shut down and all executives jailed for crimes against humanity. Family-first will be the calling card.
Ron Paul Sec of Treasury. Will shut down the fed, seek reparations for their crimes.
Pat Buchanan Sec of State. Will end the reign of the israel-firsters, shutdown the WTO and freeze out China.
Jesse Ventura Sec of Defense. Will end the zionist wars of conquest and redeploy all special forces to help in the anti-bolshevik purge of the country.
Sounds good, but a huge pipe dream.
Let me feel a moment of hope, will ya. LOL.
This has been sent to Huckabee. Also sent to over 100 Christian churches, universities and Synods across the USA.
http://presstv.com/Detail/2015/08/07/423647/Israel-Bentzion-Gupstein-Wes...
"PAUL: U.S. COULD AID ISRAEL FROM SURPLUS, NOT BORROWED FUNDS"
WTF, Rand. Did your father teach you nothing? F israel and all who support it.
Here is a good question for all these cocksuckers
''If Israel has the most powerful military in the region, then why aren't THEY fighting ISIS?''
Jews don't fight goyim wars....it's the other way around.
Here is a good question for all these cocksuckers
''If Israel has the most powerful military in the region, then why aren't THEY fighting ISIS?''
Does one fight one's own offspring? Usually not.
One might also ask why ISIS never attacks Israel or jews.
Rand kneels at the throne of Adelson and sucks his dick like a good goy.
Cruz Rubio and Jindal are not eligible natural born Citizens and should not have been in the debates.
Even the State Dept. has a directive that doubts Cruz' eligibility
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural-born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that “No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President.”
c. The Constitution does not define "natural born". The “Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization”, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat. 103,104) provided that, “...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”
d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
In August 2013 the State Dept. quietly added a directive claiming that citizens naturalized by 8 US Code 1401 are "not considered naturalized". Even though 8 US Code 1401 was clearly enacted by Congressional power to enect uniform rules of naturalization, and even though Rubio, Cruz and Jindal would not have even been onsidered citizens before 1898 (Cruz before 1922--Cable Act). The state Dept reasons that "naturalization" means the "conference of citizenship AFTER BIRTH by any means whatsoever". This is a distinction w/o a difference, since those naturalized by 8 US Code 1401 are indeed naturalized AFTER BIRTH (not in the womb or birth canal) by the statute itself (any means whatsoever). They were preparing for the candidacy of Rubio, Cruz and Jindal. Their candidacy is meant to whitewash the Usurpation that has already occurred with Hussein Obama, who was also, at best, if his birth story is true, naturalized by 8 US Code 1401.
7 FAM 1131.6-3 Not Citizens by “Naturalization”
(CT:CON-474; 08-19-2013)
Section 101(a)(23) INA (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(23)) provides that the term "naturalization" means "the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever." Persons who acquire U.S. citizenship at birth by birth abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents who meet the applicable statutory transmission requirements are not considered citizens by naturalization.
While I'm in complete agreement with 90% of this board that The Constitution is the law of the land, I kind of think the "natural born" aspect of eligibility is dumb. Citzenship (through any means) and 15 years of continuous US residency seems to be sufficient for me. You know, just in case my congressional representatives ask my opinion which they're prone to do....
You stupid pathetic fuck of a troll. One parent who is a US Citizen will confir US citizenship upon a child born outside the US. That's why the fucking apostate pig Obama is a US Citizen regardless where his US Citizen whore mother bore him.
Mr. Trump's "NO" stood out like a sore thumb in a sea of politically correct Yes Men... America would be fortunate to have him as the next president of the United States.
Gonna use a Drudge online poll to determine the winner? LOL! There wasn't any limit to how many times you could vote! As for everyone attacking Trump----that's a blatant lie! Only Rand went after Trump among the candidates, but the moderators went after every candidate on something.
Incorrect fuckstick. You could only vote onbce per IP address on Drudge, it was thde first thing I checked.
You are new here. STFU and listen or at least get your facts right.
lol
I have lots of IP addresses and TOR will get me as many as I want. Online polls are as phunny as FB likes...
Hillary/Kardashian
"Hillary/Kardashian"
So ... we're going to have two giant asses on the ballot?
As long as people look to Washington DC to solve the nations problems, this nation will remain in decline until a bitter end and the death D.C. lovers.
I see the RED team is out in force on ZH. All that BS about red/blue team goes right down the tubes. Typical, rave on wingers.
Jindal the Gypsy on the national stage. Yeah, we're being taken down for sure.
What difference does it make? I have concluded none at all. I had my name taken off of the voter registration roster a couple of months ago and have withdrawn my consent to be "governed" by a bunch of dickweeds.
maybe FMD is his father, but he bears a much more stiriking resemblance to Malcolm X. Take a look at historical pics of X and you will see the same facial shape, ears, lips and nose.
Hillary must have been kicking back in her mansion, sipping Libyan baby's blood out of a brandy snifter while dining on deep battered Donetsk Uki gizzards cackling with glee that her plan to get Squirrelbonnet to run as a Third Party candidate is working as nicely as it did when Perot handed the Oral Office to her "hubby" in '92
Not so fast Medusa, Valerie Jarrett is sharpening her stake for your black heart
What comes first? Justice Dept indictment or Biden throwing his hat in the ring?
Biden v. Kasich. These polls mean nothing
Thats not a debate. Thats a Who Wants To Be The Next American Bankster Rubberstamp catfight. A debate has opening statements, rebuttals and closing statements. Snarling, taunting and throwing feces is right out.
This is a debate: 1960 Nixon JFK presidential debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbrcRKqLSRw
That Megan Kelly looks like a 2- bit xnxx whore with her fake eye lashes.