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Republican "Losers" Debate Pits Rick Perry Against Other "B List" GOP Hopefuls

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The "main event" GOP debate isn’t until 9 p.m. ET on Thursday, but for some, the anticipation surrounding Donald Trump’s debate debut will be too much to handle.

For those folks, there’s the so-called "undercard", which kicks of four hours earlier and should suffice as an appetizer until the Trump-sized entree is served up piping hot on Fox later this evening. The candidates below the blue cut-off point in the following chart will be participating.

(Chart: National Journal)

And while they’ll be no Donald in the "losers' debate", they’ll be plenty of Rick (actually there's two of them), and for those who remember Governor Perry’s famous "oops" moment, that should be enough to guarantee that the consolation round of the first Republican debates of the 2016 election cycle still provides for plenty of entertainment. 

Here’s a preview from Politico:

How can you not feel a little bit sorry for Rick Perry? Arguably the most successful governor—certainly the longest serving—of a major state crucial to whatever presidential electoral prospects the GOP has left, and he's relegated to the losers' round of the 2016 debates, a forum undoubtedly sponsored by Tyrion Lannister and the Bad News Bears.

 

But the former Texas governor is not alone.  An impressive array of talent will be alongside him, trying to pretend that they don't feel like the kid picked last for the dodge ball team.  (Some people still haven't gotten over it these days—but we try.) 

 

There's the only woman in the race, and one of the few with practical business experience that does not include firing Dennis Rodman on TV: Carly Fiorina. There's Gov. Bobby Jindal, another accomplished governor and a onetime top-tier vice presidential contender whose staunch conservatism and moving son-of-immigrants story should stand out in a political party that's knocked for being whiter than a Kenny Rogers concert in Vermont.  And next to him will be Sen. Lindsey Graham,  a seasoned legislator and John McCain clone, joined by his now famous cellphone and his bizarre Bill-Clinton-wishes-he'd-thought-of-that rotating first lady proposal. 

 

Then there's Rick Santorum, a finalist in 2012, who is about a point away from former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, whose poll numbers for the moment suggest he'd have a hard time beating Bill Cosby.  And let's not forget New York's George Pataki—one of the few if not the only Republican ever elected statewide in New York since the invention of the iPhone. No, there's nothing to be embarrassed about by being in this crowd.

 


 

Meanwhile in the "winners circle" are two guys who've never worked a single day in public office, a senator who wears baseball uniforms to display his qualifications for the White House and a former governor best known these days for writing about his yo-yo dieting and his love of gravy (I think there may be a connection there.)

 

As you can see from the following graphic, the difference between making the prime time debate versus the "dinner time" version came down to the thinnest of margins for some participants:

(Graphic: National Journal)

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Bonus: "Oops"

 

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Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:10 | 6398986 Bill of Rights
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Melting the butter ....the thing here is keep it real, this shit is so exposed that faking it at this stage is an insult to ones intelligence .

Oh wait this is an American election.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:27 | 6399064 HonkyShogun
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It'd be funny if Carly offers Bobby Jindal a job at her plant.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:30 | 6399077 johngaltfla
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Nice. But isn't Bobby too busy running the Kwik-E-Mart on the Simpsons?

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 19:26 | 6399380 boogerbently
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Yahoo News already has an article stating how Fiorina won it, going away.

With Tweets from viewers and everything.

Two hours before the debate even happens !!!

 

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/august-6-gop-debate-cleveland-live-blog-a...

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 20:41 | 6399568 Save_America1st
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There is no political solution to the fucked up mess this planet is in.  It's the politicians and their bankster overlords who do this to the planet cycle after cycle each century.  It's what they do.  Everything else is just all bullshit.

There also isn't an economic solution to get out of this fucked up mess.  All they can do now is lie about the numbers on an infinitely epic scale, print fiat currency, and then cause a massive world war.

That's about it folks...

All we can do now is prepare the best we think we can for whatever scenario and hope we live through this to the other side and still have some shit to hold onto worth some value. 

Voting is a scam.

Why vote and give consent to these scumbags to continue to fuck us all over? 

Greece is the prime example of that.  And all that proved to the banksters and the scumbag politicians is that they can get away with the same shit in every fucking country...not just Greece.  But every other country.

Just like Cyprus proved that bail-ins would work and so after that, they wrote bail-ins into the bankster laws of nearly every fucking country on the planet.

It's really game over at this point people...we're just floating along on some borrowed time.

Don't waste your time voting...it just makes you partly responsible for the forth-coming shit-storm.  Better to get out of the system now and just wait on the sidelines for whatever comes out of the next big war if we're lucky enough or unlucky enough to even still be alive.

 

This isn't meant to sound or to be taken negatively.  I'm not saying to "give up".  I'm say "get out".  Take care of yourself and your own and do the best you can.  I'm just being realistic as I see things going, that's all.

I mean this to actually be a positive.  There can still be a way to live and prosper through the collapse and great economic reset if any of us play it right.  There will be some luck in it for us...but luck comes to those who are prepared, right?

I'm just saying that things are going to come down in a bad way...so get prepared...get psyched up and ready for it.  Figure out a way to survive it and hopefully profit from it.  Be a survivor.  There's nothing wrong with that.

Those of us who think this way and prepare this way are going to be attacked by 99% of the rest of the world because most people have been dumbed down and indoctrinated by the Gov-scum to hate us for being conservative, practical, critical thinkers who aren't dependent on the Gov-scum.

We just have to keep doing what we think is best and prepare for the worst because it's definitely coming.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 21:25 | 6399724 greenskeeper carl
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those are prety much my sentiments as well. I agree that there is no political solution to this, but there is an economic solution, and the solution is simple reality catching up with us. Reality will collapse this house of cards in a way no politician could ever hope to do. I believe that the sooner we do this, the sooner we can rebuilt, hopefully something better. In some ways, I truly hope bernie sanders wins the election and is in office for when reality rears its ugly head- there will be an actual socialist in office, and maybe people will finally see tha it simply doesnt work. If its a republican, everything bad that happens would be blamed on their (nonexistent) "free market principles". Either way, the reative calm we have now should be taken advantage of.

 

My hope is that gary north is right when he says 'the great default' will result in a lot of local, smaller govts, and an end to big centralized ones. The other possibility is terrifying, open totalitarianism, rather than the "velvet glove" fascism we have now

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:13 | 6399206 johngaltfla
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THE GOP DEBATE DRINKING GAME RULES

5 p.m. Debate – Who cares, do whatever you want, nobody is watching anyways.

9 p.m. Debate:

Trump mentions he’s a billionaire – 1/2 shot (don’t want you passing out in hour 1)

Rand Paul attacks Trump – 1 drink

Ted Cruz proves his smarter than everyone else – 2 drinks

Chris Christie snorts  during his answer – 3 drinks

Chris Christie answers a question like a conservative – 1 drink

John Kasich acts like Horseshack – 1 drink

Jeb Bush apologizes for anything – 2 drinks

Jeb Bush says “as Governor of Florida” or words to that effect 1 drink

Ben Carson attacks ANYONE – 1 drink (rare so make it a good one)

Scott Walker sighs – 1 drink

Scott Walker looks like he’s about to cry – 1 drink

Marco Rubio agrees with another Republican candidate – 1 drink

Marco Rubio says ANYTHING in Spanish – 2 drinks

Mike Huckabee sounds intelligent on any issue – 4 drinks

Mike Huckabee sounds like a Democrat on any issue – 1 drink

Donald Trump touches his hair on camera – 1 drink

Donald Trump attacks one of the other RINO twits on stage – 2 drinks

Donald Trump mentions the Great Wall of China – 3 drinks

Donald Trump says someone/something is stupid – 2 drinks

The Moderators Hit a Buzzer to shut any of the candidates up – 1 drink

The Moderators sigh or roll their eyes – 2 drinks

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 19:10 | 6399339 nmewn
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Turn the bottle upside down and chug it if Bush says illegal aliens are committing an "act of love" again...

http://www.hngn.com/articles/116235/20150805/illegal-immigrant-charged-i...

...ya know, like that guy ;-)

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:07 | 6399159 JC-BI
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Agree 200%. Besides they're all sold out to AIPAC and IsraHell.

 

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:05 | 6398987 Perseus son of Zeus
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Really, they're all fucking 'B' list.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:14 | 6399012 NoVa
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the whole group are sitting at the childrens table for Thanksgiving dinner

the Adult table starts at 9 pm

 

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:23 | 6399048 Mark Urbo
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Trump !
Trump !!
Trump !!!

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:19 | 6399032 Jugdish787
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What a fucking parade of losers!  You would expect that after a quarter of a century in public life, lyndsay graham would at least be able to deliver a speech, without looking nervous.  these guys are such a bunch of empty suits.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:21 | 6399033 Jugdish787
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what do you know...a fucking dupe!!! with this dupe I will reiterate my point above that lyndsey graham is a total dogshit candidate.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:57 | 6399170 Bay of Pigs
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How about Mike Huckabee plaing 4th in some of those polls?

LMAO...are Americans really this stupid to believe in some fuckan religious wingnut like him?

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:14 | 6399210 johngaltfla
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Huckabee isn't 4th; that's Rupert Murdoch rigging the polls for his favorite Baptist bitch.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 21:26 | 6399726 greenskeeper carl
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@ BOP, yes, americans are really this stupid...

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:14 | 6399208 johngaltfla
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Oh good Gawd, Perry just referred to himself in the third person.

What a fucking loser.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 19:00 | 6399308 Implied Violins
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Worse than that, these mofo's all failed mouthbreathing class. They have to take in thru the ass.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:10 | 6398996 PhiBetaZappa
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A sure ratings winner for the Cartoon Network

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:39 | 6399257 saints51
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hahahahaahaha

best comment of the day

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:10 | 6398998 Heywood Jahblohmee
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A collection of retards preaching to retards.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:37 | 6399105 chunga
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The "vaughn live tv" company throws a message it can't be viewed with adblock enabled. I just marked them with noscript to make sure I never see them again, even by accident.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:11 | 6399000 Flying Wombat
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Fox at its gate keeping best - barf.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:11 | 6399001 Baby Eating Dingo22
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But for Trump's entertainment value, this would be a non-event

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:13 | 6399003 Perseus son of Zeus
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An Indian from fucking Louisiana.

As President I promise to lower the cost of corporate human capital and open the borders to all of my relatives.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:15 | 6399015 johngaltfla
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I object to your remark. He does a great job running the Kwik-E-Mart on the Simpsons.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:32 | 6399082 Clowns on Acid
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Joe Biden agrees with you and he will be the front runner for the DEMs in a few weeks after Hilllary falls on her head again.

This time it will be announced as brain damage. Ain't no limit that Bill and Chelsea Hubell will go to in order to keep their $150MM of ill gotten lucre.  

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:45 | 6399140 johngaltfla
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Jindal did NOT offer to reduce the prices of Icees or Slurpees in his store.

Fuck him, no vote from me.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 19:52 | 6399448 StychoKiller
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Dat is bekoz da kwik-e-mart only sells squishies!

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:22 | 6399230 Berspankme
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Jindal locks up the 7-11 vote

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 19:01 | 6399311 falconflight
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Motel vote too

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:14 | 6399009 1stepcloser
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Hey you at the kids table....shut up and eat your gardasil

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:18 | 6399027 johngaltfla
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No doubt. The 5 pm debate is the Romper Room version. I can't wait until the serious shit starts at 9.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:14 | 6399010 nakki
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If it wasn't so funny it would be quite sad.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:21 | 6399042 new game
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if it meant a fucking thing about the future of merica it might not be so fucking sad.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:27 | 6399065 J Jason Djfmam
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If it wasn't so sad it would be quite funny.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:14 | 6399013 Who was that ma...
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There must be some mistake.  I got Sesame Street.  I quit after Big Bird, Cookie Monster, and Bert.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:16 | 6399020 Jugdish787
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There is nothing I hate more than a politician pimping for votes.  These guys say absolutely nothing of any substance, just the same crap over and over again.  

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:40 | 6399124 Bill of Rights
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You mean like hope and change? Ya I see what you mean.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:18 | 6399028 falconflight
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They all look like the cast of the Devil's Adocate.  

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:22 | 6399038 Stanley Lord
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 Trump already won the debate.

Why cant Trump win? A much less accomplished community organizer won.

I like Trump's consultant Corey Lewadowski-this guy is tough.

I dont trust Megan Kelley and I dont trust Ann Coulter (lesbo) they have to be careful of those two, but Corey is smart.

 

 

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:29 | 6399068 J Jason Djfmam
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Rick Perry and Hillary Clinton have matching brain damage glasses.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:31 | 6399080 johngaltfla
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Rick Perry was the best Governor of Texas that Mexico paid to have elected.

Or did everyone forget the Trans-Texas corridor?

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:42 | 6399133 Son of Loki
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Everyone down there is happy he is gone. Abbott is on the ball from what I hear and cannot be bought off.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:20 | 6399228 Berspankme
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I like how Coulter flirts with that faggot Hannity so they both can appear straight

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:29 | 6399067 Clowns on Acid
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Carly Fiorina has skills. Let's hope she uses those to punch Lindsay Mary Grahan right in his transjenners.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:35 | 6399094 johngaltfla
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Yup. She fucked up HP far better than anyone else was capable of short of the late Frank Borman.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:45 | 6399139 Clowns on Acid
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Well the truth there is that she became CEO in 1999 just before the high tech (bubble) collapse. Not a lot of winners during the next few years.

Your point is historically valid. But still compare her against the others on staqge,. She is far and away the most effective.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:58 | 6399174 johngaltfla
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Since the rest of them are dogshit, are you saying she's shinier dogshit?

IMHO, she's the South Park version of Token, except fulfilling the RINO role.

Fuck, she couldn't even beat the Demowhores in California, no way she could win a general election.

Especially if any surviving Compaq shareholders have their way.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:29 | 6399071 Chauncey Gardener
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It's a damn shame that Carly Fiorina and Bobby Jindahl are relegated to the "B" list. And, the irony is that we're being sold/told that Jebito is in second place...? Who the fuck votes for that idiot? And Christie? Seriously?

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:32 | 6399081 roadhazard
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I can't believe ZH'ers who bash the red/blue team people would listen to that crap.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:38 | 6399109 Clowns on Acid
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STFU ... you ain't special. Must I continually remind you?

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:36 | 6399101 Bill of Rights
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Sad looking bunch of Democrats ...

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:37 | 6399103 Clowns on Acid
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Seriouly....wtf is George Pataki doing on stage ? It really must have somehting to do with washing otherwise taxable dollars through his "Presdential" campaign as donations.

Who the fuck would give that monosyllabic moron a feckn' dime?  

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:37 | 6399107 bankonzhongguo
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D. Trump is the Democratic Party's best candidate.

Maybe a little James "Gridlock" Stockdale for Veep.

Where's this link to?

https://screen.yahoo.com/joyride-ross-perot-000000231.html

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:38 | 6399110 inevitablecollapse
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fucking mouth breathers - the lot of 'em

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:42 | 6399129 NuYawkFrankie
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re That mug-shot in the middle, up top.

I had no idea that Nancy Pelosi was a Republican - let alone running forn President...

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 17:57 | 6399173 J Jason Djfmam
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That's Nancy Reagan.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:22 | 6399229 Sir Edge
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OKAY... ZeroHedge... Enough With The B-Team Cheerleading... ?

Instead How ABOUT covering whether or not this story is true ???


August 3rd...

Russian president to Turkish ambassador: "Tell your dictator President he can go to hell along with his ISIS terrorists, I will make Syria a 'Big Stalingrad' for him!"

http://awdnews.com/top-news/russian-president-to-turkish-ambassador-tell...

 

thanks... NOW THAT WOULD BE NEWS BUBBA TYLERS !

 

 

Fri, 08/07/2015 - 01:14 | 6400260 dsty
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great article!

now back to catlin jenner's hair do.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:23 | 6399234 Berspankme
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Jeb will apologize for apologizing

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:43 | 6399266 NuYawkFrankie
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Re 2nd mug-shot from the right, up top.

I had no idea that Lady Camilla (married to Prince Charles) was running on the Republican ticket - didnt even know she was eligible...

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:50 | 6399282 J Jason Djfmam
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That's Gendsie Grabbum.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 21:01 | 6399663 ThorAss
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The Duchess of Cornhole

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:56 | 6399298 shovelhead
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Pick a name out of the hat.

Really, as someone once noted, "At this point, what difference does it make".

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 18:58 | 6399301 appocean
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Kasich/ Fiorina.... if Kasich stumbles then Fiorina/Walker.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 19:15 | 6399354 california chrome
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What was most hysterical that Rick Perry said was that he would get rid of E-D-U-C-A-T-I-O-N -- The Donald is correct, Rick Perry is a dumb ass.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 20:00 | 6399463 heywood2
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Carly has business experience alright, but it's all really bad. She played a major role in running two Fortune 500 companies into the ground.

Calling her a successful businesswoman is like calling Henry Kissinger a humanitarian.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 20:44 | 6399598 mijev
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Carly was and probably still is an annoying bitch.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 20:17 | 6399515 NoWayJose
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Fiorina won and the rest are done. She may jump ahead of the bottom two from tonight. But she still is a long shot.

Santorum and Perry were losers. Santorum had strength 4 years ago in Iowa but was sluggish. Perry is a great governor but a poor communicator.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 20:55 | 6399644 Caleb Abell
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They already had the real debate at the Adelman/Koch Festival last week.  This "debate" is just theater for the schmucks on the farm.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 20:59 | 6399658 ThorAss
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Trump - Paul (eh eh?)

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 21:56 | 6399816 pops
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So far, not one word about the TPP. 

I smell a NAFTA repeat coming up, courtesy of the GOP.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 22:02 | 6399830 Why.Not.
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Those of you who seem to delight in making Indian jokes about Jindal are just making yourselves look stupid by comparison when you could just as easily have said nothing. He's probably the brightest person in the race, an American, a decent governor of a notiously awful state, a man with an entrepreneural bent who ran businesses while finishing a double major with honors at age 20. He received a masters from Oxford and declined an opportunity to pursue a doctorate there. So go ahead, show us all what you've got.

Thu, 08/06/2015 - 22:04 | 6399832 scatha
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I will sue all those guys and gals for wasting my time with their fake, irrelevant rants about non-existent issues occurring in non-existent country and impacting non-existent nation.

Somebody make them talk about REAL America for Christ sake!

Make them drop that country club crap and came back to planet Earth.

Anyway this is all about wining first place in "Advertising Ages" contest, presidency is just a perk.

Only boycott has any political weight or visible expression in this corrupt system. Let them be elect themselves by 10% of population make them illegitimate to rule and demand their departure from political realm. 

Whole establishment must go!!!. Let's not prostitute our vote no more!!! Let's not be corrupted this time around. Enough is enough!!!

Neither Trump nor well-mannered Greens or anybody who suck tit of establishment won't make any difference if they run or not.

As Stalin once said. It is not important who's being elected or
who votes for who. What matters is who is counting the votes (Bush-Gore 2000,Bush-Kerry 2004).

We should be counting votes if we want to win.

We could have easily and cheaply electronic ALTERNATIVE election for alternative programs and ALTERNATIVE candidates (that never run for office and are unaffiliated with any political formation) who would commit to execute those political programs that can truly represent our political aspiration as a nation. Elections, followed all web practically no cost campaign on YT or elsewhere, protected via secure block chain technology guaranteeing accuracy since everyone would be able to check whether his/her vote was counted up. At minimum it could be media event where Americans can voice they vision of America instead of sheeple fest.

The only choice we have for today is absolute boycott of elections as 150 millions of true American patriots are already doing and election after election vastly outnumbering electoral zombies of the American Oligarch Party in their inhumane march into poling/feeding stations to get their rotten meat and in the process to validate murder and mayhem done in our names.

For those who still think they can organize and win "their" election. Here is a gem. The fallacy of this sort of democracy is nowhere better illustrated than in case of Italy where for over 30 years after WWII Italian communist party alone or communist/socialist coalition WON EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL ELECTION and was never asked by president to form government resulting in 39 minority governments all under watchful eye of American protectors of democracy and US navy.

We’re dealing here” with autocratic system disguised as democratic chaos, fake uncertainty or illusion of chance and propaganda of opportunity for all. We might even win, one shot in a billion, in "their" elections but we would never get to rule without blood spilled in the streets.

 

Fri, 08/07/2015 - 10:14 | 6401026 Winston Smith 2009
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

“I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.” -- George Carlin

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