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Texas Schools Caught Manipulating Quotes To Push Christianity On Students
Submitted by Carey Welder via TheAnti-Media.org,
A public school district in Eastern Texas is under fire amid allegations it made up quotes by famous figures in order to promote Christianity to its students, posting them to the walls of the four schools in the district. The Mount Vernon Independent School District is accused of misattributing quotes to George Washington and Ronald Reagan among others and faces demands to remove the false statements from its walls.
“It is impossible to govern a nation without God and the Bible,” George Washington said—according to the district. “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face,” it claims Ronald Reagan opined.
The Freedom from Religion Foundation, a non-profit organization, says these quotes are false. It recently wrote a letter to the school district asking that they correct their misattributions. Staff Attorney Sam Grover called the alleged Reagan quote “dubious, and, incidentally, intellectually lazy since that is not a direct quotation.” In a letter to the district, he alleged it, along with other quotes, had been taken out of context to promote Christianity specifically.
“When MIVSD manipulates historical quotes by removing context and isolating lines that promote Christianity and religion in general, it violates the right of conscience of its students,” Grover wrote. He accused the school of misquoting (or using quotes misattributed to) John Adams and Thomas Jefferson (in addition to George Washington and Ronald Reagan).
Grover also objected to the district’s framing of the “golden rule” as directly attributable to Jesus, in spite of the fact that “the Golden Rule existed in both ancient Eastern and Western thought, as well as in world religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism, and many others.”
However, the FFRF’s problem with MIVSD is not only with the school’s manipulation of quotes. Rather, it is with the promotion of any religion in public school. Grover noted that “it is a fundamental principle of Establishment clause jurisprudence that a public school may not advance, prefer, or promote religion.”
It’s unknown where the schools got the lines from, but after a quick Google search, it’s clear that there are plenty of misattributions of these very same quotes found on internet memes.
While the schools’ misattributions and blatant promotion of one religion over others appear to be undoubted constitutional violations, the story highlights an even deeper issue with belief.
It is telling that the quotes on the walls of the schools in the district frequently quote political figures. Whether it be “founding fathers” or the more recent leader, Ronald Reagan, the school district is attempting to use political authority to promote another dogmatic belief. This faith in the United States—so often expressed as nationalistic faith in government institutions themselves—has led to a manipulation of facts similar to what the Texas school district is accused of committing.
While in recent years, the Texas school board moved to change the curriculum to promote Christianity, last year Colorado students walked out of school in protest of proposed changes to their district’s history program. The changes would have downplayed the significance of civil disobedience, among other things. The Advanced Placement (AP) board, a non-government body that offers college-level classes to high school students, recently changed its standards to promote “American exceptionalism” in an attempt to pacify outraged politicians who claimed the prior curriculum insulted the United States. The AP softened its standards on discussions of slavery and American colonialism that decimated the natives’ way of life. It strengthened sections that promote the idea that United States’ military intervention has not only been successful, but necessary.
Whether the religion is Christianity, Islam, Judaism or the State, it remains that dogmatic adherence to any set of beliefs can lead to desperate attempts to protect faith. While not all Christians would endorse the school district’s misleading actions—just as not all Americans favor sugarcoating their country’s history—attachment to collective identities continues to prove a dangerous element in society’s drift from truth.
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Thats some cream of the crop financial journalism right there.
Good, that's one manipulation I agree with. Texas is the best.
They need to replace them with true quotes by Americans that are clearly not in any way a deadly plot or terroristic threats that might possibly result in arrest, because the speaker is black.
Louis CK on the Church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VABSoHYQr6k
Whoa, I guess they need to take down the Declaration of Indepence and the Constitution also.
Even the comments in the original article were like WTF.
So, WTF?
http://i.imgur.com/tpIIcrv.jpg
Not sure why this subject provokes anti-black rhetoric. Seems it would be more relevant to point out how schools promote perversion.
then what... blank wall and let hallah hakbar raising... ?
at least with christians you know they do shit the week and are forgiven the sunday.
with the beheaders you never know.
those quotes were from Christopher Hitchens, not Washington and Reagan.
plus these other goodies:
"A nation can only fulfill its duties when its leaders begin each day in prayerful study of the Word of G-d." -C Hitchens
"The Bible is the ultimate source of inspiration and guidance for the leaders of a people." -C Hitchens
"Each of us has a civic duty to live out our discipleship within the context of the social contract." -C Hitchens
"The holy spirit breathes life and purpose into the constitution, the statutes, and the codes of each federal agency." -C Hitchens
Hitchens is dead so he ought to know.
False quotes on the walls? Amateurs. The Left embeds falsehoods right in the textbooks, who invented peanut butter again?
Are you saying nutbags are promoting fiction as true? Never happens
Why do so many tards on zerohedge believe in adult santa? Oh, right, predominantly american. As you were hillbillys.
Peter Pan, duh.
Yes, at a school with a graduating class of 100 white rednecks, the rise of Islamic extremism is a very real and present threat.
i despise religion, it is nothing but a tool used to control the weak minded(kinda like govt, the other 'most dangerous invention' of mankind. However, Id rather them hear this than get inundated with statist propaganda and govt worshipping bullshit, and globalwarming nonsense. Although, with texas, Im sure they get their share of govt worship too
I'd think that they'd have their hands full with the three Rs.
It's Texas, so that means Readin', Ritin', and Religion?
Billy, lol...
Once again, the three big scams perpetrated on humanity are: 1. War, 2. Religion, 3. Money Creation
All other evils are derivatives of those fundamental scams.
That's the fourth R: Ayn Rand.
One thing I never understand is that everyone freaks out when Christianity is being promoted, but no one says a peep when Communism or the other 'isms" that originated from Christianity are promoted.
What is it you fail to understand about progressivism?
Political correctness as determined by progressives and enforced by media defines what we should find offensive. Rationality and balance are no longer the arbiter. Only THEY can decide what is right and wrong. We, the collective, are commanded not only to forfeit our property but our common sense as well.
USA was a much better place when people had faith in God.
i HAVE FAITH IN gOD. i JUST DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR gOD.
Okay, I'll bite. When was this?
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams (BTW, that is a true quote.)
This is precisely why the Constitution has to go away, because the progressives sure as hell don't want a moral and religious people running the place.
When the founders referred to our rights as coming from God, it was understood that the implicit meaning was that they were NOT to be determined by MAN. As you suggest, progressives believe that MAN has absolute power, just that not all MEN are created EQUAL. Some, with their pitiful backward conservative views, are not fit to create much of anything except the sweat of their brow, to become the livestock of a progressive society, to provide the heavy lifting like any other beast of burden. And their Maoist leanings inform them that the ideal is to displace those who create, build and grow things with those who do not. Trading places, as it were, much as we see happening in South Africa today...starvation and economic collapse an unfortunate coincidence.
Please exlpain how communism comes from Chritianity...
Communism is derived from the Talmud folks...lets try to keep our -ism's straight!
Christianity empowered the lowly, weak, and stupid people of the world. It posits a universal moral system, which means that it applies to everyone equally - it's based on equality. It replaced traditional systems which had different classes with their own values.
Those same lowly people, having destroyed the artistrocracies of Europe, are voting for socialism today. Socialism is just equality taken to its logical conclusion. Freedom is the ability to be unequal.
Christianity may not be directly responsible for communism, but it certainly hasn't helped any and it has, at the least, promoted moral values that enable socialism. It's so vague and open to interpretation that various forces are continually adapting its meaning to their own causes and to the modern world, and for what? what does it give us? Nothing. Christianity is a useless superstition.
In this day and age, surprised they weren't pushing Islam.
Solid point, HH, still we must leave space for revelations of the true sacred, else we get the false and contrived secular sacred of the likes of the neocons with their phony 'shock and awe' (fear) based sacred. That is, 9/11 and American Exceptionalism are false gods. false sacred myths though they are given to fill the void.
Shock and awe are more than fear, they define terror, the stated goal of US intervention in the Middle East.
Nice deflection, HH.
Everyone is OK with lies and deceit when it's their religion being promoted, I suppose.
Distract, distract, distract - the MO of the right-wing populist and Fox watcher. Never confront the question, just point at the other guy and say he's worse.
That's Hillary your're talking about.
As to your point HH, here is a great Al Sharpton quote from a few years ago....
“White folks was in the cave when we were building empires. We learned to admire them, but they knew to admire us. We built pyramids before Donald Trump ever knew what architecture was. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.
We’re the best chicken fryers of the universe. Gonna buy some Colonel Sanders chicken. Then the Chinaman come in and throw some hot grease in the tub. Then the Korean sells us watermelon. We been eating watermelon all our lives. They’re gonna cut it up and put it in a bucket with a rubber band around it, and then we’re gonna buy it like it’s something we didn’t know what it was.”
This is why the bill of rights/constitution need to be more than a foot-note sophmore year in highschool. The so called seperation of church and state actualy read congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, And any idiot can extrapolate that that means government cant make a law forcing religion upon you or prevent the free exercise of religion. A sign and words and lectures is not forcing religion on you, you always have a choice. And when it comes down to it people should always be open to the debate. Screw presidential debates lets see an atheist a devout religious person and a quantum physicist debate the issue of god. That would be more entertaining.
Well said Blunt. Bravo! +1
For us fringe folks maybe, but my experience has shown me that few want their beliefs challenged and will go far and wide to avoid having to think critically about much of anything. I even find my own wife, while agreeing with me on much, still refuses to enjoy my analysis of it. She just wants to have a nice solid packets of beliefs that she can lean on without much real thought. Of course I choose to analyze just about everything and end up not knowing much of anything for sure. To me, a belief in anything that is still not in some doubt is a sign of being brain dead, which is why I continually argue against even myself. My proof on mental life.
I think you may have this wrong. I was raised in a debating family so I am very comfortable with the dynamic. The trick is not to take it personally and focus on defending your argument. Then, when defeated, have the grace to shake hands with your opponent, smile and have a cup of coffee together. Many women have not been raised like this.
I have, many times, tried to engage Mr in this type of argument. He backs up furiously against this. He is not from a debating family. Plus I think he fears knowing the closeness of our relationship may have some adverse effects on the bedroom. ;-) in any case, he won't risk it.
I am very analytical and love to poke at things at all angles. Frankly when I'm shown my perception has a flaw, I enjoy it. I have found this is not true for most people so I tend to self argue as you. This does have its limits.
Miffed ;-)
it shows, miffed. I always enjoy your commentary. me, I had to argue with an authoritarian figure who was always right no matter what I said, so I just wind up laying it out really unfiltered and really not giving a crap if the reader agrees with me or not, I call balls and strikes bluntly just as a matter of personal integrity.
Plus I think he fears knowing the closeness of our relationship may have some adverse effects on the bedroom. ;-) in any case, he won't risk it. I am very analytical and love to poke at things at all angles.
Perhaps the bedroom scene would come together better if Mr. learned to poke at things from all angles.
Ha ha! The problem for him is he gets all the fun and frivolity he enjoys there whenever he wishes and is unwilling to risk a downgrade. In certain things he is just not willing to be adventurous. We women have those spots as well if we are honest.
Miffed;-)
"That's fine sweetheart, I didn't really want to do that either. I just wanted to see your reaction....................More wine?"
:D
pods
Screw presidential debates lets see an atheist a devout religious person and a quantum physicist debate the issue of god.
The fact that the existence of God needs to be debated and can't simply be confirmed with readily available evidence pretty much says it all.
the issue there is, such a small segment of the population has any experience beyond the "mundane world"'s matters. some people have experiences that cement things unequivocally for them; some people get told things and believe them with no question. some people never find their answer.
Well, if Jesus floated down on a cloud and let me stick my hand into his side I'd believe. But he doesn't do that for just anybody. Like anything else it all depends on who you know.
lol, b-b-b-but all you need is to believe!?
And any idiot can extrapolate that that means government cant make a law forcing religion upon you or prevent the free exercise of religion.
While you're extrapolating for idiots, extrapolate the commerce clause for me.
There are plenty of atheist vs. theist debates on the web to watch. It generally isn't pretty. Reason and Theism are mutually exclusive concepts.
BTW I just drove through east texas last week on my way to Alabama to pick up a new pick-up....East Texas is one of the cleanest, nicest places in the US...friendly people, excellent streets, great food, just all around really really nice....you think it has something to do with God? I do. Also, Cullamn, AL is one of the nicest cities in the US....amazing place...Dixie flgs everywhere. A trip I won't soon forget. They can't stomp us out, they can't make us run.....
They simply fly over those of us they prefer to ignore. From outer space they can assume we are all alike and agree with them.
Guntersville AL is pretty nice too...especially if a guy likes fishing..good on ya there H4D..
Schools manufacturing information? Say it isn't so?!
Let us not forget that schools are after all, "Agents of the State".
They take our tax money, keep us in the dark, and feed us shit,,,
Call me Mr. Mushroom,
;-D
As long as they are agents of MY state, I'm pretty much OK with it. When they become agents of a rogue state, a large overwhelming collective that ignores my existence, I get a bit pissy. When my government is comprised of my friends and neighbors, people who actually live and share in my community and are not imposing from afar their ideological beliefs, that is a good government. One to which I will willingly submit.
Why wait? You want to submit to some authority; I'm sure there's a church or cult or compound somewhere that would be happy to give you orders right now!
If we were concerned about manipulated quotes and lies, we would have to shut down the entire free and fair press here
Where will you post all of your "Observations" when "we" Shut Down Zero Hedge?
CNN?
"...attachment to collective identities continues to prove a dangerous element in society’s drift from truth."
Truth as defined by whom?
Truth is defined by reality. A=A.
What is the true reality, though? It changes depending on your perspective, your state of consciousness, your available senses. I'm not so sure about this reality stuff. (I also am not a Christian - I just don't like absolutes)
You are confusing your perception of reality and reality. The two are not the same.
Reality exists outside of your expectation of it. Solipsism is for those too afraid to deal with reality on its own terms.
Religion. Comedy for the intelligent, reality for the ignorant.
Proggieism, hobby of the arrogant.
No worries Ewik a different type of religion , a conquering religion will soon rape your women and lop your ridiculous head off. It will probably look better on the ground, certainly sound better and present better logical arguments.
This school district is made up of what most districts are, folks who could not make it through science, math and business classes and became teachers. False quotes are not necessary, real quotes are sufficient to persuade students to adopt the most civilizing content in the world, Protestant Christianity.
You've just perfectly embodied the precise point being made.
Imagine no religion, it's easy if you try.
Gee possum, you've just illustrated the inability to recognize one thing from another how progressive of you... You've perfectly embodied the Western drift toward the inability to judge value which greatly contributes to the decline of your civilization..
Humans NEED religion, which seems pretty obvious since we have always had them. We need a crutch of which to lean on sometimes, because life can be pretty ugly and unfair. As rational beings (as irrational as we can many times be) we need to have a reason to do things sometimes, because to react on the moment, to be a completely emotional creature is highly destructive. Religion can be a great and wonderful thing, as much as any disabled person could value a crutch.
Unfortunately that crutch can be used as a club many times.
As rational people our challenge is to know the difference, to take value from what can give it and avoid its destructive excesses. Living in a time where technology can multiply our genius and insanity, we are on a precipice. One that many of us fear to look over and down, choosing instead to pretend nothing is different, that its always been this way, that its just another troubled time like all others....except now when we might flail out in anger or fear, instead of murdering a few or even a few million, we might just kill everything on this planet. many of us don't really worship a god, but I think we may well find ourselves praying to one before the end. Hope springs eternal.
Too pessimistic???
In its pure form, religion is neither a crutch nor a club. It is a doorway to a path to the Devine. It is a choice to be embraced or spurned. You are free to hide yourself in a dark box and turn your head away. No matter. The Light shines anyway to all for eternity and on all equally.
Miffed;-)
Consider that we were hunter gatherers for 95% of our existence on earth, and likely did not have religions before agriculture.
Secularist: A life long struggle to prove that God does not exist up until their death bed. Then all bets are off.
Bwaaahahahahahaha
It can't hurt. F him if he can't take a joke.
You are correct, fear is what drives religion.
Religous fanatic: A life long struggle to prove that the story he's been told of God is true, up until their death bed. Then all bets are off.
nobody has to prove anything, God is, he don't care if you believe it or not. If you can't look around at the creation and marvel at its prefectness, it's order and the reality that in order for life to exist as it is on earth, the earths position, seasons, rotation, magnetic field, o2, absoulte perfection. Now go make me a frog.
as if yhvh made any of this. go make me a sammich!
Secularist: A life long struggle to prove that God does not exist up until their death bed. Then all bets are off.
Bwaaahahahahahaha
I never even think about the existence of God until someone starts yapping about it. It simply isn't relevant or interesting in my opinion. But what about you? Do you spend your life struggling to prove that Allah, Shiva and Diva, Zoroaster, Zeus and Odin don't exist?
As for "Bwaaahahahahahaha," that's a real argument winner there. Perhaps the school could attribute it to Jesus and post it on a wall.
Origin of Christianity: A succesful brainwashing by somebody with an ulterior motive.
American Childhood: Brainwashing by the feeble for the innocent
Indeed! Your religion of evolution is, by a country mile, the most hilarious. "In the beginning there was nothing. Then, somehow, from nothing, the energy for the "Big Bang" was created (oops). From the "Big Bang" came everything." Sure it did. Go ahead and junk away, but those with an open mind should watch any video of Dr. Kent Hovind where he completely obliterates the laughable theory of evolution.
The creation of the universe hasn't been proven by science, that doesn't mean a god did it, but you argue as if it does. Big Bang THEORY.
Exactly. But how many Big Bang theorists belittle creationists? Everyone who believes necessarily believes science supports their theory.
Everyone is an idiot except those who happen to agree with me! Obviously little success on the debate team, but when the argument's success is determined by who can yell the loudest or come up with the most debilitating insult, its really more WWF than WBF, now isn't it?
Creationism isn't science. It never will be. It never CAN be. You do have some vague notion of the Scientific Process, yes?
Tell me, how do you falsify "GodDidIt"?
Evolution is a fact not a theory. Read beyond your comfort limits.
You're confusing religion, an entirely human construct, with the origins and existence of the universe.
I've given it considerable thought and I expect that on the balance of probability that a relatively omnipotent force (or forces) exists that can explain the origins of the universe...and maybe one day our species will be fortunate enough to comprehend this.
One thing that is an immutable truth is that the guess work and posturing of the dominant monotheistic, Abrahamic religions provide our species with little more than a source of continuous animosity and conflict...something that the god concepts you bow too, if they existed as you preach, would be most disappointed in.
I think that if a "god" exists, it must be inseperable FROM the universe - thus we and everything we experience are God. I can't see how anything else is reasonable. I equate reality to thought, in a sense. Reality is God "thinking", and God also is only what is thought.
And what if "god" doesn't exist?
My interpretation of a God leaves room for their to not really be a meaningful distinction between existence and nonexistence.
"In the beginning there was nothing. Then, somehow, from nothing, the energy for the "Big Bang" was created (oops).
In the beginning there was nothing. Then somehow, from nothing, an omnipotent being was created.
oh how it twists the mind of the timeful, to realize and accept time is also a construct and not necessarily a fundamental one beyond the 4 dimensions of spacetime. you're aware of the concept of a scalar potential, yes? timeful implies its a tensor, its a fantastic puzzle.
Doesn't seem any more relevant to my life than God does. I'm just not interested in any of that secrets of the universe stuff.
paradox that all timelines are simultaneous, yet the accomplishment needs to be made before the universe winds down. all hadrons bound to the 4d brane will collapse with it - yet you need them to get past the physiospiritual coefficient of friction. relevant? the best time's always right now - and all is only right now since consciousness has no time component to it. I'm too inquisitive not to ask the questions *shrugs*
hear that, junker? its flying over your head at 50,000 feet or more
The religionists are willing to accept science, until it conflicts with their beliefs.
Yes, it is quite obvious that this world is the result of one gigantic, devestating explosion. We all know explosions always increase order, just as closed systems always degrade into order and balance (just the opposite of the 2nd law of thermodynamics). That is where our faith should be soundly placed. With explosions.
Yes, it's quite obvious that the world was created by a loving God who could have made perfect children of whom he approved but instead he created sinful children who he knew would fail his test and then he made those children burn in a like of fire forever. But he's not all bad. In order to save some of his wayward children he insisted that his son should be tortured and killed because spilling one person's blood causes sins of others to be forgiven.
Nothing silly about that.
Children are born imperfect, but they are part of you. You raise them with your best intentions and impart your wisdom as best you can upon them. They grow up and go out into the world and become many things, but those who epitomize your beliefs, who you are or want to be, those children honor you. God does not create robots. We determine who and what we are. WE do not all have the same opportunities and disadvantages, but what we do with what we have defines us. If we make the most of our gifts and work to overcome our deficits, we honor our self, our parents, our society and civilization and our God. Nothing bad or rotten about it unless you are looking for someone to blame for your failures. It gives people happiness and fulfillment...something that our consumerist frankenstein has failed to produce, so what's the rub?
Sometimes it seems those most unhappy are completely unnerved by happy content people, especially those who find it in their religion. They are derided as simple and manipulated, and their happiness as proof of their oblivious lack of perspective to the horrors all around us. I too am concerned about people unwilling to see risk and address it but we here, of all places, must accept that for the most part, our acknowledgement of these horrors has changed nothing accept possibly making us even more unhappy and jaded.
Just sayin...maybe we need to get off of other people's back. Even evolutionists, especially evolutionists, should accept that none of us are perfect, even if we think we are smarter than everyone else (just like those ruling the world right now).
Children are born imperfect, but they are part of you
No parent would want their child to be born with a disability not to mention a disability which would require the parent to incinerate the child. But God is omnipotent and could create perfect children. Any human parent with a disabled child would move the world to remove that disability if it was possible.
Just sayin...maybe we need to get off of other people's back.
I agree. But when folks taunt me for following rational thought rather than faith I'll fight. That is the name of the club, after all.
study the concept of an inflaton field and get back to us
I'm not a Christian and I'm also not a fan of the Big Bang theory. This isn't an either/or, just as "not having Christian propoganda in your school" does not necessitate that pro-islamic propoganda take its place.
By 'intelligent' do you mean the 'intelligent' people who have thoroughly destroyed Sweden with socialism, political correctness and white guilt? How's that reality treating the Rachel Dolezal of Scandinavia..
"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open ones mouth and remove all doubt" - Mark Twain
Religion is not my thing. I am glad for the freedom not to practice it. I also support the freedom of others to practice it, it helps me keep my freedom. I think you make a mistake disrespecting religion accross the board. Because of the idea of freedom of speech, I also support your right to speak against it, but I do see it as a mistake.
I have met some Christians who practice their religion for real (not just rote liturgy). They are wonderful, nonjudgemental people who are fun to talk with. They get the bit about "those without sin may cast the first stone." I'd love to have them as neighbors.
I will say this another way. Saying those who practice religion are ignorant is a form of prejudice, dare I say it, biggotry. An overgeneralization like that, just like in the case of race, can lead to discrimination and worse. Furthermore, those of us who want to stay religion free can be the subject of biggotry, too. I have a student who is an atheist who got the shit kicked out of her as a kid by some so called Christians at her school. She was hospitalized. This is a bad road to go down.
I am not perfect, I can be a hot head and let that get the better of me. I agree with you on some of what you post. Your anger distorts your message.
And, you did not ask me...
Sounds like Christian Sheria Law in Texas
The opiate of the masses.
"Manipulating quotes". I don't see the problem I've been watching that happen my whole life.
Don't believe anything you hear and not much of what you see.
Well don't tell that to me, tell that to the children isolated in a small town in East Texas that can't escape a dominating ideology.
The Regan quote is true whether he said it or not I do not know.
How do you know it's true if you DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE SAID IT? That is a special kind of stupid right there.
lol! but you forgot the /s
Jesus Christ!
This is where the 'Separation' clause has merit. At the same time I find it rather amusing how organizations like 'Freedom from Religion', scour the countryside in a feverish attempt to uncover any hint of Christianity that might be poisoning innocent minds... 'Reason help us' that too many kids find themselves exposed to offensive things like this, right?
A school in Texas espousing Christianity isn't the federal government declaring Christianity the official religion of the country over all others.
I wouldn't care if a school has these quotes.
I do care that there is compulsory attendance and tax dollars are taken at gunpoint to pay for it.
pods
there is no 'separation' clause, fyi
Then Sharia Law isn't unconstitutional.
Separation of church and state is a saying, not in the constitution. Congress shall make no law establishing religion, so Sharia is unconstitutional.
Do you understand the difference? If so see A1
One can practice Sharia Law without making a law which establishes it as a national religion. Do you understand The difference? If so then you'll welcome quotes promoting the Koran in local schools as readily as quotes promoting the Bible.
This. The double standards about religious liberties amongst conservatives is bordering on an absurdist lack of self awareness.
It is worth noting that Sharia Law forbids interest being charged on borrowed money...is it any wonder that the Tribe and it's bankers have waged war on Islam, demonising Muslims at every opportunity.
This has been going on for ages. One could do much worse than push Christianity on children. Even done in a hamfisted manner, as here, some of the great good will get through. Our current adminstration is in the hands of Baal and pushing its own agenda; in essence, "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."
'Hamfisted'? More like powder puff fisted. Oh, wait! That is right....kids are not taught to do any critical thinking in school any more so....u may have a point.
Hamfisted means clumsy, not powerful. One way or the other the majority will be manipulated. Humanity is a most peculiar breed - has the choice of being herded and dependent or living within their own means and by their own laws.
....and as we are witnessing, about half go one way and half the other.
"There are bigger issues" is a really lame logical fallacy to fall back on. The relative size of the problem does not make this not a problem. Morality can be taught absent any religion.
They should be teaching Christianity in schools and not just having quote printed in hallways.
They do, they call them Christian schools.
I don't want any agent of the state teaching my kid any kind of belief, whether in the fucking flag, in our exceptionalism, or about God.
pods
Funny how easy it is. Most of our rights are that simple.
When an issue they are invested in is being pushed, folks are all for it. They only cry separation of church and state when it runs against their personal agenda.
We need to be consistent, against the mixing of church and state, even when we like that particular version of it.
Most of these problems arise from areas where the state has overstepped its boundaries.
Compulsory education, any state charity (people call them entitlements), tax on property or income, etc.
Yet we fail to look at the underlying problem all while we make new ones.
pods
This is part of why I don't ever want to be a parent. I don't feel confident that my worldview is absolutely correct, and therefore don't feel comfortable with the idea of raising a child and, in effect, influencing their beliefs.
Teach them how to think, not what to think.
They should teach Christianity in schools. They should teach that the Elohim is a plural in Hebrew implying whoever it was that created the world, it certainly wasn't a unitary god; they should teach that Noah's flood neeeeeeever fucking happened and is just a retelling of previous myths recorded in the earlier Epic of Gilgamesh; they should teach that YHWH committed democide against children in Exodus - oh wait, that's not what you meant, was it?
They should be teaching that Constantine created "Christianity" out of hegemonic necessity and all of the Christian concepts, symbols and even holidays are just superficial, fascistic perversions of paganism.
Noah's flood was in the ancient sumerian writings - it happened, but the story was of course bastardized by the jews and modified to say that god spoke directly to abraham, telling him he was special and he was the chosen people. No mention of asteroids in the bible, of course, that's all yhvh tall tales.
What's wrong with banning all religions except for christianity in USA?
if there was no zionists.. think how the nation would be = we would actually have real markets
If you try to take my Tao te Ching, you're going to have to pry my gun out of my corpse's hand first.
The Tao and it's Way, now you're talking.
After reading the comments here, I have concluded that ZH is no longer populated by libertarians, so I'm outa here.
Pretty much sums it up. It surprised me how many not only do not see a problem with this, but they embrace it.
pods
It took you this long to figure out this place has been overrun with right wing populists, Klan supporters, white supremacists, luddites, and neo-bolsheviks? At least you finally did. Good for you. I rarely post (or even bother to read) anymore. The glory days of this site are 4 years behind us.
Easy on the Luddites my friend.
:)
pods
Sorry you fucked up. It's "librarians", not libertarians.
ZH is kind of all over the place. Some articles are filled with legit libertarians, some with progressives, but I do see a weirdly large amount of this kind of ignorant conservative ranting - and from people who shamelessly toss around hate speech etc.
So, I was walking through the mall and I saw that there was a Muslim bookstore. I was wondering what exactly was in a Muslim bookstore so I went in.
As I was wandering around taking a look, the clerk stopped me and asked if he could help me.
I asked, “Do you have a copy of Donald Trump’s book on his U.S. Immigration Policy regarding Muslims and illegal Mexicans?”
The clerk said, “F— off, get out and stay out!”
I said, “Yes, that’s the one. Do you have it in paperback?”
Read more at http://iotwreport.com/the-bookstore-by-jethro/#4FepRziloD7mlQRL.99
LOL! Great +1.
Good people at I Own the World. I take no credit. Weasel Zippers is another good site. Ihatethemedia is a lot fun. Comments are priceless on all three blogs.
Without humor, it would be tuff to get thru this vast corruption empire within the United States of America. We love our country, not whats become through Brussels
lol! as if they arent by and large a bunch of christian zealots! I got along fine there until I said something about the corrupt roots of all abrhamic religions, then the christians pounced like a bunch of muslims would do to one pissing on the koran in the middle of mecca!
This group of is comprised of the same assholes that says a cross in view is pushing Christianity on people while simultaneously saying that having homosexuality laced everything isn't pushing the gay lifestyle on everyone.
In other words, fuck them.
Sincerely,
An atheist