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"Orwellian" FBI Says Citizens Should Have No Secrets That The Government Can't Access
Submitted by J.D. Heyes via NaturalNews.com,
The police and surveillance state predicted in the forward-looking 1940s classic “1984” by George Orwell, has slowly, but steadily, come to fruition. However, like a frog sitting idly in a pan of steadily-warming water, too many Americans still seem unaware that the slow boil of big government is killing their constitutional liberties.
The latest sign of this stealth takeover of civil rights and freedom was epitomized in recent Senate testimony by FBI Director James Comey, who voiced his objections to civilian use of encryption to protect personal data – information the government has no automatic right to obtain.
As reported by The New American, Comey testified that he believes the government’s spy and law enforcement agencies should have unfettered access to everything Americans may store or send in electronic format: On computer hard drives, in so-called i-clouds, in email and in text messaging – for our own safety and protection. Like many in government today, Comey believes that national security is more important than constitutional privacy protections or, apparently, due process. After all, aren’t criminals the only ones who really have anything to hide?
In testimony before a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee entitled “Going Dark: Encryption, Technology, and the Balance Between Public Safety and Privacy” Comey said that in order to stay one step ahead of terrorists, as well as international and domestic criminals, Uncle Sam’s various spy and law enforcement agencies should have access to available technology used to de-encrypt protected data. Also, he believes the government should be the final arbiter deciding when decryption is necessary.
What could go wrong there?
Government, at all levels, is responsible
During the hearing, TNA reported, technology experts warned the panel that giving the FBI limitless access to the personal electronic data of Americans would open it up to exploitation by “bad actors.” But Comey was having none of that.
“It is clear that governments across the world, including those of our closest allies, recognize the serious public safety risks if criminals can plan and undertake illegal acts without fear of detection,” he told the committee.
“Are we comfortable with technical design decisions that result in barriers to obtaining evidence of a crime?”
So, in essence, Comey – like many before him, especially since the global war on terror was launched – believes that, in the name of national security Americans ought to give up more of their individual and constitutional rights because that’s the only way we can be adequately protected.
Perhaps realizing that his Senate hearing testimony was public, Comey gave the Constitution a passing glance, noting that the government should respect the “requirements and safeguards of the laws” and the country’s founding document. However, as Americans now know, spy agencies during the past two presidential administrations have been tasked increasingly with conducting warrantless, unchecked surveillance of Americans’ electronic data and communications.
But all of this is not on men like Comey and Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Congress bears its share of responsibility, too.
This is the way it is – shut up and take it
When such activities of the National Security Agency were exposed in 2013 by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, many in the media and among the American electorate were quick to blame the agency, as if it was somehow acting out of rogue instinct.
The reality is, however, that the agency is tasked to perform its duties– either by statutory law (think the USA Patriot Act) or by presidential directive (think Bush’s order after 9/11 to conduct warrantless surveillance).
“We are not asking to expand the government’s surveillance authority, but rather we are asking to ensure that we can continue to obtain electronic information and evidence pursuant to the legal authority that Congress has provided to us to keep America safe,” Comey said during the Senate hearing.
What does all this mean? It simply means that at every level, government considers its own citizens hostile.
Oh, and there’s nothing we can do about it.
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"We demand the ability to blackmail you." - because some people will do anything (literally) to prevent their (perfectly legal) secrets being revealed.
Exhibit A: Law abiding man cheats on wife, with wifes sister.
Shadowy character contacts man and blackmails him to complete nefarious acts.
No such database should ever exist it would be a goldmine for Russian hackers seeking to control US politicians.
It's all about recording your past to selectively enforce laws in the future.
The irony here is that national security only exists to PROTECT those very rights.
Take away those rights and there's nothing left to defend!
So they know about the "pet rocks" hidden in the Barbie Malibu Condo?
Fuck you TD! Why'd you spill the beans about those?!? Damn...
Oh crap, you been compromised and such...
I don't care if the government spies on me. I just need a free FEMA trailer and healthcare. Plus I need my teeth fixed. I'll settle for the Victory gin.
Is it the time to gas up Charlene?
This gvt has failed it's citizens 10X's over, and now we have the PROOF!
Only GOD knows all!
Blackmail worked so well with Congress Critters and Supreme Court Justices that the program is fully funded and expanded to benefit all taxpayers.
--Your .gov at work
“Are we comfortable with technical design decisions that result in barriers to obtaining evidence of a crime?”
Walls, doors and curtains hate America.
It seems clear to me that you've lost control over the situation.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
Liberty is kinda like a puppy that you care about soooooo much that you don't want any thing to happen to it.
So, with lots of time on their hands and taxpayer funds in their coffers, the alphabet soup gang have
decided the best way to keep the puppy from getting hurt by some deranged entity is to stomp its head in.
https://youtu.be/023bAm7-AgU You can love something to death.
National Lampoon from back in the day:
https://youtu.be/023bAm7-AgU what the hell disabled my link?!?
and the nsa wants to wiretap heaven
They killed Charlene! You bastards!
"We the People" should be monitoring the Govt and EVERY person they communicate with, Big Brother (TV show) style. After all, if they've got nothing to hide then they've got nothing to fear. But it would not surprise me if Govt eventually does display itself semi-BB-style ... to gloat, because at that point the plebs will be too weak to fight back.
Every businessman in the world has something they legitimately need to hide. Amongst other things, they have "Trade Secrets" and debt levels. Competitors are very interested in knowing what it would take to send you bankrupt so they could buy you up on the cheap.
Govt ain't interested in finding terrrsts. They can impoverish the nation and then no-one can afford to buy any weapons to fight back. Govt just wants a list of fat cows they can milk. "You own lots of stuff therefore you musta done something illegal! We'll take it all until you can prove you're innocent." Of course, if they can find "evidence" then that saves them the hassle of manufacturing some.
And lets remember their true intentions when we read and hear things like "Driverless cars are gonna be great!" and "We should end all cash transactions so central planners have more flexibility during a crisis!"...which to my ears and eyes say's..."We not only want to be able to monitor your movements or turn off your car at our command, we also want to steal whats in your account with a simple keystroke."
Afterall, now you've become the enemy to a corrupt state ;-)
Seems to me that driverless cars would be the ultimate opportunity. It's already been proven that they can be hacked and remotely controlled. Seems the next logical step to take would be to load it up with explosives and send it to the front steps of the Fed or other agency and tell it to go off. Or remotely run down group of politicians. The possibilities are endless.
Lone Wolf Alert ...
The possibilities are truly endless.
Statist journalist #1: "Can you speak to the motives of the driver?"
Statist spokesperson say's with a straight face: "Our investigation is just beginning and we may never know what set former Rep.Ron Paul off but we suspect he had formed a right wing paramilitary group with the intent of overthrowing the government. It's one the reasons we have been advocating for more government surveillance tools to catch these sort of things in the planning stages, in order to keep the people safe."
Should be great theater though ;-)
Did you catch that fat fuck Christy defending the surveylence state during the Trump Show last week? What a shame. We are so screwed.
Naw, I didn't watch it but I did read about "his special brand" of insanity. Apparently he and most of them are still living in a pre-Snowden world whereas all of us are living post-Snowden.
Fuck him and their faux concern for "my security", I can take care of mine and anyone elses in close proximity to me, the first step in real security is to never trust them with it.
He was appointed US Attorney on Sept 10 2001 by Bush Admin. He came from one of the most powerful GOP operative law firms in NJ with no criminal background in his experience. What else would he say?
They showed him how it works.
I saw him play the 911 card when Paul scored some points on him. Since Jeb is distancing himself from his bro, it looks like Christie will be the "but... 911!" Candidate for a while.
http://xkcd.com/1559/
They are trying to create a situation where they can justify martial law, but they don't understand that the people they want to screw over the most are the people they should be screwing with the least......
Hey OldPhart, I had some friends and there are others around these here parts who remember a night in Beirut when a driver-full van came by and Hezb'Allah took down the embassy with a bunch of my comrades.
I'ma wonderin' if the Detroit-built truck-bomb is detonated on a "successful" mission, well, ... think about this carefully before you answer ... like, who gets the 72 virgins? Is it the truck? Do the few remaining humans on the assembly line get to share in the stash? Is it the tele-operator?
"Uh, ... er ... boss, I'm really worried about my future. See, this is my tenth successful mission. So I am looking at the prospect of 720 virgins to service when I'm in the happy land. At two a day, that is one a year. Boss-we gotta' find another solution! And FAST!!!!"
- Ned
I was a 1978 Marine, Honorably Discharged in 1978 for knee injury. I'm well aware that I could have been one of those Marines.
As to the muslim virgins, are there any left?
Occidental:
National security only exists to PROTECT the nomenklatura.
That and political sabotage. God forbid one of the people get into a position to enforce the real law.
Greer states at 1:21:53 that we have a moral obligation to oppose the criminal national security deep state.
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lyXi1efbYrk#t=4410
Control politicians? LOL! This has been ongoing for decades or centuries.
This video is the best I have seen about explaining The Fed, wars, control of America, Patriot Act, 9/11 and the NWO.
It puts all the puzzles pieces together. I also never knew that a Senator who was coming out to try to reverse and stop the Fed was poisoned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwO1onXAaI
Who the fuck does that a-wad think he's talking to?
The government is an organizational chart, and any and all dingleberries whose role is to fill a node in that organization, works at our pleasure and grace. That dumpling sniffer is OUR employee, we govern, he is authorized, by citizens, to enforce the rule of law, and he does not have OUR authority to to lay-down edicts, outside the rule of law.
Instead of talk'n to congress on C-SPAN, he should be in a federal prison, defending his double secret backdoor from a 300lb guy called Bubba!
The issue, instead, should be that our government employees have no right to keep us, their employers, out of the loop, by hiding their criminality behind so called "government secrets" or "national security'. we are the government. This FBI wanna be, is not the government, he is our employee, we hired for a role in a node on an organizational chart. That be all he be, Period!
Citizens govern, and James Cum-on-me, OUR employee, sits on his turd laden ass and shovels shit like this, like he doing god's work?
Citizens come up with ideas all the time. These ideas can be patents, copyrights, trade or business secrets. Lovers and spouses send send selfies when one is out of town (hopfully to their lover or spouse),
A couple of years ago, I found an independent ISP that leased bandwidth from the A-wiped, tiTTy fucked corporation that lucked out and got the lions share of the re-aggregated baby bells, including the publicly funded startups that installed the rural internet infrastructure.
I would send my clients deliverables in a zip files, through the proudly acquired service arrangement with my "independent" ISP, and things went well - for a while.
Sometimes the ZIPs went to end users and only packed install, or setup.exe(s). Some clients were software shops and granted source and marketing licenses. I would zip source code, along with the install EXE(s) for testing.
Then .... one day, my ISP starts kicking back zips with exes. I call a tech. Tech says something about policy. So I try renaming the EXE with a dot TXT extension. And the zips are still kicked back.
Worked with Exchange Server for a small piece of a project I'd done a few years earlier. Looked at the documentation. Didn't see anything in it that referred to opening a ZIP file or actually looking at file headers to determine if a dot TXT file is a cloaked dot EXE.
Did not try a ZIP password encryption. Did consider embedding a routine that would choke Exchange Server. Was pissed. My ISP was peeking inside my zip files and despite m efforts to cloak EXEs, or dot CMD or dot Java, it was being kicked back. Even if the zip was zipped a zip file!
I call the tech again. I tell him I am using the email (actually a passthrough from another ISP service) for business. The guy tells me to get a gem ail account or use my web mail interface. Now I am pissed. And that Exchange Server farkle embed is becoming mores attractive.
But I think, what right do I have to fuck up other peoples email service, just because this a-wipe tech is an idiot. I tell him to put me through to management. He says they don't want to be bothered. Now I am pissed..
I cool. down. I look at the device agreement. It says the ISP will not interfere with my emails. So I look through my desktop emailer's history, find the rep who sold me the account, and chew his ear off.
Next day my zips are going through.
The issue is not the snotty tech who self anointed his dumb ass as being above "policy".
THE ISSUE IS THAT MS EXCHANGE SERVER has the capacity to open a ZIP file and look at the contents, and then determine, by assaying the file headers packaged in a ZIP file, and flag the package as unacceptable, despite being cloaked, to be returned as undeliverable.
THATS OVERSTEPPING A TAD BIT, AIN"T IT, Missy MS?
Word to your mother 'Our Land'.
Missy says eat shit and die cause ur already FOOKED!
the FBI machine has been optimized to groom muckrakers like this to the top since J.E. Hoover brought the beast to life in his own image... every time this issue comes up they have to be reminded that '1984' was a warning, not a fucking field manual... only a mathematically incompetent control freak (which is what FBI directors and their boot licking ilk are) would ask for back doors to be built into encryption algorithms... you may as well put up a big fucking sign up to professional and state-sponsored hackers saying "open for business" if you do that... it is not in the FBI's best interest themselves to have back doors built in, yet they still keep bitching about it when they can't gumshoe & lockpick their way into complex protected systems... well bitches, people with the skills to do that are a) few and far between and b) likely working for the other side, so it's best not to make their lives even easier with back doors, escrowed keys, and other chickenshit nonsense that will come back to bite you in the ass... quit trying to be the goddamned NSA and work on what it takes to _protect_ the country from NSA-style state sponsored attacks... then and only then would you be doing a job that's in the best interest of the people... I know, that's not your charter, but I sure wish it was...
"This video is the best I have seen about explaining The Fed, wars, control of America, Patriot Act, 9/11 and the NWO."
But...but they love us! They just want to help, honestly.
On the other hand, I could be wrong.
In that case, surely Donald Trump will fix everything!!!
Vote for the Donald! He'll fix everything!
I was with you till I hit Russian hackers......, then I knew you were just a dumb fuck.
One such database that already exists. Subsequently, the government lost control of it. Eg. The OPM breach.
These alphabet agencies really have so little to do they have to create crimes among the taxpayers who are their employers
What else could they possibly say?
Investigate: to uncover what is concealed.
Concealment is a crime.
Yeah, Russian hackers....
Try bankers.
If there are only THREE books you ever read, you must read these three.
1984 - George Orwell - 1949
Brave New World - Aldous Huxley - 1931
Fahrenheit 451 - Ray Bradbury - 1953
1984 for its vision of total government awareness and control over media and language thus giving it total control over the population. Also for instilling fear in the population by always claiming to be in a state of war.
Brave New World for its vision of pyschological control through technology, drugs as a means of control, and the abolition of free thought. All this and a world government too.
Fahrenheit 451 for its vision that the electronic distribution of news and more importantly entertainment would make the written word not only obsolete, but seditious and thus books had to be destroyed by "Firemen" Presaged the era of huge flat screen TV's that would pump in Reality TV shows all day.
Essential reading, all. These guys saw the future. And now, sadly, its our present.
The first two are superb.
Drop Fahrenheit 451 and pick up Edward Bernay's "Propaganda" instead, for it tells you exactly who they are and how they control us, with consensus building, hegelian dialectics, advertising, emotional manipulation, and the social engineering of consent.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."
"Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government."
The key phrase:
"for our own safety and protection."
This is how you sell anything today to idiots.
Miffed
“Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” - Ed Snowden
Surrounded as I am by those (apart from Mrs Edge) to whom the above is applicable in spades, I'm beginning to think the idiots aren't worth the time and effort to educate. Flogging dead horses eventually becomes somewhat exhausting.
Burying a dead horse is even more exhausting. Trust me on this. And you should allow an extra foot in depth.
Is maybe not so bad if you skin and butcher it first. Then you just bury the bones and entrails no?
That was my first thought.... use every part of the animal.
The extra foot is a good idea. While watching a guy burying the neighbors horse with a back hoe, he was in too big a hurry and scimped on the depth, when he rolled the horse in all four legs were sticking out above grade and much to the horror of the owner proceeded to pound the dead equine with the bucket trying to mash it down and break it's legs. Lady was beyond distraught and fainted. Husband ran the guy off with a rake.
Had something similar. I had to use a saw. Sister's horse, she still hates me.
Thats part of the psyop. If you care about your community you'll fight for it. Divide & rule... Those idiots haven't had a positive role model yet. They are all teachable.
And...let's do it "For the cheeeldrun."
The classics never get old ;-)
Things like this are one of the reasons I'm trying to talk the wife into ditching the cell phone and cutting off the internet connection. Can't snoop what isn't there.
That would probably flag you even worse, and put you on the perma-warrant list.
Not only that, he may end up having the wife talking to him incessantly instead.
...which is why I still have a cell phone, though I place it in a quarter-inch metal box when I travel someplace I want to keep secret (or don't take it at all). Need to keep them in the loop to let them think you aren't on to them, but not beyond that where it really matters.
Aluminum foil will work. Seriiously. So would tin foil. Another use for the stuff!
Seriously though, go try wrapping your phone in foil and calling it. Make sure that it has no holes or straight shots to the antenna, i.e. double layer it. The call won't get through.
Seriously though, go try wrapping your phone in foil and calling it. Make sure that it has no holes or straight shots to the antenna, i.e. double layer it. The call won't get through.
In order to really work it needs to be grounded.
Inside a microwave oven with door shut makes for a good faraday cage.
Easily proven to work, too.
Wendigo, I've said it before, but give this some thought. We should all just start trading our phones with total strangers. We all have basically the same fuckin phones, with the same overpriced plans.
What would this do? Just visualize a U.S. (or world) map, with lines that track/monitor these phones. My Arkansas phone goes to New York, then Idaho, then Cali, calling new sets of numbers, every time it changes hands. Imagine what a clusterfuck that map would become if millions were to do this. Imagine what Uncle Sam's fucking super-computer in Utah would be doing, trying to "connect the dots". Imagine a bunch of Federal employees trying to make any fucking sense of this.
Poeple might even make a few new, worthwhile connections in this fucked up world in which we live. Yeah, some of us may get some fucked-up bills, but hell, just report it as lost (or hacked) at that point.
But most importantly, one just has to come to terms with their own mortality, and say "fuck keeping your head down, under the radar".
Come and get it motherfuckers, I may not win, but you WILL know I was there!
When the FBI siezes Hillary's server and the thumbdrive from her lawyer, I still won't listen to a fucking word from them.
The government does what it fucking wants anyway.
Psssst, it's not a "Government. It's a Criminal Corporate Fraud entity aka the Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC.
https://www.manta.com/c/mx45m6q/united-states
And a general contractor, apparently.
Nothing will happen to Hillary. The Prosecuter can demand her emails all he wants but she will take her time and give him what she wants to give him whether he likes it or not. She will not go to jail. Laws do not apply to her. Since when does anyone with the name Clinton have to comply with annoying things like laws. She will be the nominee and if she has to she will run her campaign while under house arrest. Anyone who stands in her way will get zapped.
She needs to grab that Executive Privilege rather quickly, or stand in the Presidential Pardon line, like everybody else.
Are you kidding? If she heads for that line she will push everybody else aside and stand in front. Actually she wouldn't even stand on line, she'd barge into the WH and tell someone to type it up for her or else.
I agree with the FBI Director Comey on access to encrypted data, Z/H.
Sounds like Obozo's Iran deal.
Trust and verify nothing?
No.
The FBI Signals Intelligence folks know they have to obtain a warrent from a judge before they get to open files and take a looksie. If they can't access the data freely they have reason to assume that a lack of access will threaten National Security. I agree with that assessment for all the Five Eyes.
And you trust Congress to verify?
You're living in a dream world, Neo.
It's not a matter of trusting Congress to verify. It's a matter of having checks & balances to safeguard National Security for a plurality of diverse points of view, and perspectives. The Signals Intel folks are willing to abide by the legislation if that's ordered by Congress. They are NOT stupid people and they respect the legislation that governs their workplace most of the time IMO. In brief, we have to assume that they do want to abide by the laws of the land as most of us do.
Young fool.
A dream world.
If you study Jurisprudence you will soon encounter the 'Rule of Law' as a guiding concept that governs all in contemporary society, including you, Chuckles.
Sorry, I believe that now laws are for the little people. The privileged are above the law. Frankly, there is no evil so great and unthinkale that our government wouldn't cheerfully commit, for our safety and protection, of course.
Excuse me, but what is a fucking Nation anymore in these NWO days? Those puppet master debt slavers will sell us all out like Greece or bomb you to hell like Libya
Let us assume that they might be honest about their work 1% of the time, and that they are dishonest 99% of the time. If .5% of National Security threats get by their detectors, you will see those threats materialize, and then they will enact legislation that is worse than what they want right now.
if you have any doubts who runs shit and runnith shit down stream:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/23/unravelling
The intervention that helped decide the Libyan conflict began tentatively. As Qaddafi moved harshly to put down the rebellion, vowing to “cleanse Libya house by house,” President Obama was reluctant to get involved, and his aides argued about the wisdom of forcing Qaddafi from power. But America’s allies in Europe, particularly the British and the French, were already convinced. In March, 2011, the well-connected French philosopher Bernard-Henri Lévy arrived in the city and took it upon himself to make sure that the rebels got aid. In Paris recently, I asked Lévy why he’d adopted the Libyan cause. “Why? I don’t know!” he said. “Of course, it was human rights, for a massacre to be prevented, and blah blah blah—but I also wanted them to see a Jew defending the liberators against a dictatorship, to show fraternity. I wanted the Muslims to see that a Frenchman—a Westerner and a Jew—could be on their side.”
Lévy said that he returned to Paris and told President Nicolas Sarkozy that humanitarian intervention wasn’t enough. “The real objective had to be to topple Qaddafi,” he told me. Sarkozy agreed, and Lévy became his emissary. Lévy accompanied a Libyan opposition leader to meet Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to lobby for U.S. involvement. * “It was hard to convince the Americans,” he said. “Robert Gates was totally opposed. Obama as usual was hesitating. But Hillary got it.”
and to anyone new that doesn't automatically connect the dots.. what i am pointing out is that what the fuck is a nation if some unelected connected self chosen one can influence nations to destroy other nations?
MoU, your MDB schtick is absolutely terrible
I'm not up on every acronym under the sun. What is MDB?
1 year, 9 weeks? cmon you've been around here long enough to know who that is.
if you actually believe the shit you're saying, that's pretty damned sad. I honestly thought it was just a terribly dry and rather unfunny MDB impersonation, as some are wont to do around here upon occasion.
Pardon me, MASTER, but perhaps you should review the 4th amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
If any people in the SI community are accessing a US citizen's electronic data without a warrant, they are violating the 4th amendment. Period.
What FBI Director Comey would like is to have unfettered access to a person's data, and then get a warrant to use it in court if it will help win a case. That defeats the entire purpose of the 4th.
Furthermore, what we have seen repeatedly is that these people in power ritually abuse their authority for selfish purposes. You'd have to be a fool to trust them with anything.
I say fine, if you want to put a camera inside my bedroom and watch my internet activity in real time, then I get to do the same to all the people watching me. Why should their privacy be more sacred than mine?
Your individual rights paradigm is not threatened by their need to access all encrypted data. They are tasked to find threats to National Security and only if you are indeed a threat to National Security would you possibly have any concern about your rights being breached. Further, just because you don't want your 4th Amendment rights impinged upon does not mean that National Security experts are in a position to care about those rights above and beyond their fiduciary duty to protect the population of the USA. In brief, NSA/FBI security, and privacy, protects the nation whereas your privacy protects you, and everyone else in the population as individuals in that population. Lastly, with the changes in communications over the last three decades it is imperitive that those protecting the country are given all appropriate opportunity to do so without obstructions that would hinder response times that would be required in an emergency situation.
Do you know what 'National Security' consists of, MoU...?
National Security, within the context of the 'United States of America' wherein which many of us reside, is the Liberty of the people. Do you know what that concept means? In simple terms, it means that when a people are truly 'Free' as citizens of the United States once were, they are impenetrable. Why? Because the concept and the 'spirit' of freedom lives within them and nothing can remove it.
The term: 'National Security' has been so twisted and perverted in the U.S. to mean that the MIC/Intelligence agencies can do whatever they please, simply based on an interpretation of a particular definition, and how that definition can be parlayed into fairly well anything the Junta deems appropriate, as is what has taken place already and is headlong forming into a 'Security State' - like North Korea for example. As if you didn't already know, North Korea has ~Plenty~ of 'National Security'...
'National Security' is Meaningless if Liberty does not abide.
Unfettered access just makes the haystack that much bigger if you're talking about national security. Much harder to find the needle. There are enough people in the government who will use this information to jam up people who lack mens rea, but violated some archane law that nobody has ever heard of because of all of the cross references between the USC and the CFR. The NSA and the FBI are threats to national security, as they threaten the security of a free state.
REALLY?! Let's see how you would react to a personal FBI visit.
And, according to Snowden, they already have the means to log into your account, write a threat, and then come after you for it.
They already have too much power.
Fun isn't it.I accidently employed someone on their most wanted list.
If you like ten agents, in body armor, screaming and waving guns in your face,
I'd recommend doing the same.My neighbors were not amused.Neither was I.
A real test of your sphincters.
Backround check much? LOL
Not back then.He was the uncle of a long term worker who claimed after that she didn't know.
Surely, you're just trolling. The entire purpose of the Bill of Rights is to LIMIT government power. The excuse is irrelevant, and that includes "National Security". There are boundaries which the government is absolutely not allowed to legally cross. Now, the de-facto reality is that you and your intel ilk (I assume you're an analyst at the CIA or NSA based on your writing) do get your way, because no one will stop you. No one has the power nor the will. You will do whatever you want with impunity. NSA Director Clapper lied before Congress about the methods used for widespread data collection. Nothing happened. And that is the reality of the world we live in today. The law continues to be re-interpreted in such a way that the law itself is meaningless and it boils down to how the administrators of various parts of the government decide to rule on a particular matter. That goes for the CIA, NSA, IRS, FBI, FDA, EPA, BLM and so on.
And yes, of course, our individual rights are threatened by a "need to access all encrypted data". You can't be secure in your personal effects while the government rifles through them. This should be obvious to anyone, including a child.
I am not an employee of either the CIA, or NSA, NOR would I ever work for them in any capacity. I did apply for security work when I graduated from University in the 90s, but they never even called me in for an interview. I once sent a letter to the Department of Defense in support of the Canadian National Security Establishment CSEC when they wanted to collect meta data, but that is the extent of my interaction with SI dudes. Frankly, when one is formally educated in Experimental Psychology there is not a whole lot of options for work.
I once did an interview with the FBI for an agent position. It was a "what would you do?" interview. You and your partner and in a house and the female interviewee suddenly grabs your partner and puts a knife to his throat. What do you do.
Me: She's less than ten feet I put a bullet in her eye.
"You're not that good a shot."
Me: "I shoot my partner, he slumps, she surprised, I put a bullet in her eye."
"You'd shoot you're own partner?!"
Me: "Fuck, yeah, he's FBI, he's a dime a dozen."
"Thank you, this interview is over, you may leave"
{1994, Riverside IRS Office, actual interview)
Sorry MoU, but you need to stay away from the Koolaid.
"Your individual rights paradigm is not threatened by their need to access all encrypted data" WRONG.
Our individual rights to use encryption to protect our communications and ideas is a paramount right protected in the constitution, and just the fact that a decryption key would exist in the hands of law enforcement for a fishing expedition means that key is also available to others who might wish to do us economic or personal harm in the course of normal living. Try again.
"They are tasked to find threats....and only if you are indeed a threat....would you possibly have any concern about your rights being breached." WRONG.
The existence of technology to expose my communications and ideas with whomever I choose to communicate means that technology will be in the hands of people who wish to do me harm at some point either economically or personally. In cryptology one cannot have it both ways, fully encrypted but available to someone special, or not encrypted at all. Study the science of cryptology and you will understand the paradox. Try again.
"Further, just because you don't want you 4th Amendment rights impinged upon does not mean that National Security experts are in a position to care about those rights....." WRONG.
Those experts and the bureaucrats or elected officials they serve all swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA, and that does not mean only one or two of the Amendments or Articles, it means ALL OF THEM. They have not earned the right to neglect any of those duties just because they have a fancy title in Washington or have had some billionaire pay to ensconce them in a position of power in Congress and then ignore their responsibilities to uphold THE LAW. Sadly, this is exactly what they all now feel, and Comey is a perfect example of this lapse.
"In brief, NSA/FBO security, and privacy, protects the nation, whereas your privacy protects you, and everyone else....as individuals....." WRONG.
NSA/FBI security and activities are to protect the law of the land, AND the citizenry against enemies of the land, and enemies of the LAW of the land. They cannot have it both ways. Specious arguing at best, but not even well thought out. NSA and FBI functions are there to operate within the parameters set by lawmakers and courts whose job it is to see to the balance required to achieve meaningful intelligence gathering and valid results while adhering to the laws of the land and the protection of the citizenry that the very protection and operating parameters are designed to serve and preserve. Arguing that the functioning of a poorly run agency demands more importance than the actual adherence to the laws that the agency is sworn to protect is the first step towards totalitarian approaches to governance and power. Try again.
"Lastly, with changes in communications over the last three decades it in imperitive(sic) that those protecting the country are given all appropriate opportunity to do so without obstructions that would hinder response times that would be required in an emergency situation." MEANINGLESS.
Changes in communications over the past decades has perhaps changed timeframes in which our lives are conducted but it changes nothing about how bad actors can and will use tools available to them to perpetrate acts. Passing simple paper notes between members of a group dedicated to theo protection of those paper notes could achieve meaningful communication today that would be difficult to monitor, and one is not going to pass legislation to put tracking bugs on all notepads to ferret out those bad actors. The surveillance required would be impossible, and it would capture untold information from good actors whose notepad communication would also be monitored and stored for who knows what use. Strange example, isn't it, but it describes the flaw in the arguments over surveillance which dominate the current debate. There is a reason this is called INTELLIGENCE work, and that means it is about making CONNECTIONS so that one can connect to a communication stream and evaluate its content for threats. Massive collection of all streams does nothing to identify the correct connections to be made since it is indiscriminate and creates more false leads than it does good leads. Fact. TRY AGAIN.
The debate over surveillance is not going to take a positive turn until someone steps up and owns the responsibility of running one of these agencies IN STEP WITH THE LAW, and not in step with a list of technical wishes and wants that SEEM good but have poor grounding in the science and technology behind them. Since our political system continues to degenerate and sponsor the election and appointment of people who are grossly unqualified to hold the office or perform the function for which they were chosen we will continue to disagree about effective and meaningful governance OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, and FOR THE PEOPLE.
He should be encouraged to DRINK the kool-Aid, if you understand the original usage.
Problem solved!
Okay, I am starting to understand the minutia Americans are faced with. I am NO expert on SI or National Security. I'm just an individual that is attempting to learn like most in society. As a CANUCK, I don't exactly study American law, or policy, very often. As an individual that comes from a country that shares Five Eyes commitments, I fully believe that our respective governments need to access encrypted data, and I, for one, support that requirement because I understand the mathematical probability of risk associated with SI & National Security.
Yeah, look up bayesian statistics. Having access to more will actuallh hurt security, and that's assuming that the governmnent is actually using the excuse of national security legitimately. The number of false positives will swamp the number of actual terrorists. And to top it off, the government is already using that information from the NSA for domestic law enforcement, and then running "parallel reconstructions" of the evidence, trying to hush up involvement of the NSA. Fuck government intrustion. It is a boondoggle at best, and it will turn into a "show me the man and I'll find you the crime" kind of thing.
Cite the reference for the Bayesian stats on false positives for National Security risks? What you have stated sounds convincing, but as a scientist, I must verify rather than 'trust' what you are stating, El Vaquero.
The government isn't going to make any of their information on the probability that somebody is a terrorist public. If you want to verify, you need to start asking questions for yourself. What is the probability that a random individual is a terrorist? What is the probability that the NSA's/FBI's tests get the correct answer? Apply that yourself. You'll find that, given the population of the US (~320M) and the infrequency of terrorist attacks points to there being a very low probability of a random individual being a terrorist. Or some other kind of national security threat. If one in a ten thousand people is a threat, and the tests used are 99% accurate, apply those tests to 10,000 people, and chances are, you'll nab the threat, along with 100 innocent people. Now apply that across the entire population.
Now, go and ask the NSA how accurate their filters are. I betchya that they're less than 99% accurate.
Its not about the changes, its about the rotten fish head choices. Get a fucking warrant, jack.
Correction: The FBI SI folks know they can look at whatever they like whenever they like, but if they want to use it in a court of law then they'll have to get a warrant. But if they can't be bothered with a warrant then they'll use other methods, eg "random" encounters, "tip-offs" ...
Good points, I agree with your assertions.
Both you and Comey are scumbags and should kill yourselves immediately. You want a government that listens to everything everybody says, move to China, or Russia. Get the fuck out of what used to be the united states
I'm not in the USA, I'm in CANADA where the Government listens to pretty much everything that everyone says, tOmmyBerg.
Thanks for calling me a scumbag, from you I will take that as a compliment.
- Ayn Rand.
Ah a Canuck. You can take it however you want. Comey is one of the most dangerous men alive. Dont you 25 million Canadians all living within a hundred miles of our border have laws similar to Europe where anti-Islamic speech is criminal? Hope you will be happy with the coming Sharia. I am sure the intelligence services, who WILL or already have be(en) coopted to provide useful damaging information for political purposes by those like Dear Leader will be able to thwart it
CANADA is not like Europe in terms of our Charter of Rights & Freedoms. We are never going to adopt 'Sharia' Law, ever. People would riot in the streets if we adopted 'Sharia', believe me.
No they would not. Not if you are the small white minority. Once the tidal wave of Islam takes over the West , just like it is rapidly taking over France , the UK , and most of Europe , you won't have any choice. The Muzzies are growing throughout Europe like a plague , we no longer have any border control from the Middle East or Africa and they are swarming in like flies. They reproduce magnitudes faster than the indigineous populations. The rest is simple math. Please tell me , Einstein , what will be done with all that data that is 'collected' once these people run the West ? Exactly the same thing that the NAZI's did with the information that government gathered by the earlier 'friendly and law abiding spies' - use it illegally and directy against their own citizens. You do not know what kind of government the USA will have in the future , and all that stored data will be available to them.
"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
-Ayn Rand.
Only the feminist version where you can lose your job or get banned from schools for making jokes about women.
They're rioting in the streets alright, for MOAR.
Faraday cage.
ELF detectors.
Don't give them ideas. They may well build Faraday cages and put padlocks on them and us in them.
Orwell's rat cage will do fine, thank you very much
Why can't our public servant Obama release his birth certificate but he can see what I text my girlfriends? My co-workers? My family members?
WaGs are our best hope. Let them talk to each other as long as possible and as often as possible about whatever they like. No Agent or AI machine can survive such an onslaught intact.
The only flaw in my idea is Govt WaGs listening in. Damn!
Oh good, they can listen at great length (along with me) about my mother's colostomy bags. I wish them joy of it.
The FBI are the sexiest humans alive, just ask your teevee for verification of that fact.
You have the sexy people tuned into your dynamic conversations. Thank God.
I would like one example where the security of the United States was threatened by any individual or group using encrypted communications. 9-11 terrorists? No. Tim McVeigh? No. Unabomber, Teddy K? No. Boston bombers? No.
Hillary Clinton's private email server? No.
I'm not kidding. I can't think of a single "terrorist" who would have been brought down if ONLY WE HAD THE ABILITY TO DECRYPT THEIR COMMUNICATIONS. Most of them were already known to authorities who did nothing to stop them until the deed was already done.
Nation-state level actors may use encryption as a matter of specific communications policy, but I don't know anyone who uses it for anything more complicated than a VPN so they can communicate with reasonable security over wide-open hotel WIFI back to the home office.
Good point.
Now we must unencript it all, to see how many are doing just that.
Only one problem with your argument: three of the four incidents you cite were false flags, and the one official you cite is, as mentioned above, not beholden to ordinary laws like you and I are.
When you understand that the incidents used to justify building the national security state were carried out and covered up with the connivance and approval of our government, then it puts a very different perspective on it. This isn't happening by accident, or through stupidity or incompetence. It is all planned. If that doesn't terrify you, it fucking should.
...and Uncle Ted, AKA Unibomber, wasn't "taken down" by all these agencies, but rather, was turned in by a family member...
Snowden.
Thank GOD he wasn't terminated before he could take down the intelligence apparatus of the US. Too bad several US senators/congressmen/former Government shills want him DEAD for what he did, for which he has been compared to McVeigh, Koresh, and many muslim terrists.
God approves of the Snowden Army!
"I would like one example where the security of the United States was threatened by any individual or group using encrypted communications. 9-11 terrorists?"
Show me one suspicious bag that's been used to inconvenience millions of passengers at airports that actually turned out to be a bomb.
I remember neuro-surgeon guy during the Red Team debate saying that the military should be given unfettered discretion to do their jobs. One of the few things he said that got a big positive response from the audience. And then I remember reading a bunch of ZH posts (from people who claim to be for freedom) saying he's their favorite.
If you want to know why we're fucked, it's because even people who claim to be libertarian would vote for a guy like that simply because he speaks your language of free markets.
Or you're like me and many others here, and realize there is no political solution to our problems.
Not enough others, wendigo.
You might be surprised Rand, there are probably at least 15 million here in the U.S.S.A waiting for the shoe to drop.
Be patient, the time will come.
;-D
you mean all 15mm illegals ?
Are guillotines a political solution?
Roll Guillotines!
Carson said military which is not the same as the CIA, NSA, FBI, and DHS.
The military has been at odds with the secret CIA wars being conducted by John Brennan, eg., the Benghazi debacle & cover up and the subsequent military purges. Military still ranks highest in respect among American institutions because of the boys in uniform that come from our hometowns and take their oath to the Constitution seriously. The leadership is questionable.
but the toys the boys play with are all from the corrupt flow of war profiteering.. and then they don't care two shits if the boys and toys are destroyed since both can be replaced
BINGO! Rand, you have nailed it. Listen to those who scream loudest about freedom and capitalism, then listen carefully to what they support, and just like you said, they are too often total tools for the NSA culture andf Military global empire, and the right of spies and soldiers to act according to their whims.
I know libertarians who, when pressed, come out all over the FOX Patriot spectrum. Demanding world wide victories against everyone. Thus total Imperial tools. Where is their freedom I wonder, when they support the same people who promise more of the same of worse.
Just think about all the back up camera on all new cars. think thats just to help us park?
the syncing of your phone to the car when you get in. Onstar is here to help
I am about out of tin foil
OT
Billionaire financier Carl Icahn just may have changed his tune on being Donald Trump's Treasury Secretary.
"After last night’s debate I decided to accept @realDonaldTrump offer for Secretary of Treasury," he tweeted Friday afternoon following Thursday's Republican presidential debates. "Seriously, the methods of electing our corporate and political leaders have become completely dysfunctional," he said in follow-up tweet, adding in a third: "In both areas, we are in dire need of a breath of fresh air."
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-07/carl-icahn-tweets-that-he-ll-accept-trump-s-cabinet-offer
shit got real?
I have a secret for the FBI, I'm tired and going to bed. Should we email you? How is the Hillary email case coming along? http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/contest-save-hillary-t16808.html /stick to your priorities.
+1 for The People's Cube
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/sale-and-possesion-of-alcohol-out...
-100 for reference to trash chosen website.
Oh noes, another dorthy who can't stand the kitchen heat. Fuck off parasite.
Dorothy | Hillary Clintonhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNLwH8AEa7Q
I need attention because my husband got his cock sucked and didn't kill Osama Bin Laden.
/lol
After seeing my mom's tragedy, you cannot access YouTube comments section. Those 7 are demeaning to women. We blocked those comments. It's best you don't see them.... Just like my emails to Louis Lerner of the IRS.
I have my own system of encryption. It entails only memory and telling no one else what I know.
While such pronouncements from the FBI, NSA and whoever else may seem frightening, the fact is that they are the ones who harbour the geater fear. They may not understand it, but such positions by the FBI and others will actually magnify any loathing the citizens have for authority and inevitably the odd citizen will not only copy cat Edward Snowden but may actually do far worse.
Our society already has enough malcontents as it is and the more one drives them underground or inflames the greater the damage to society as a hole.
At this rate however, it is clear that eventually all computers will have to be directly linked to the NSA etc so that real time access and monitoring can take place. Much like shopping centres are connected to the cash registers of the various retailers.
And all this because an agenda of world domination (by whoever they are).
The Gulag is already half done and its fence is constructed of debt. The rest will be completed in due course.
FBI: "Yeah I'm Big Brother with a big d**k. What you gonna do about it?"
The Federal Bureau of Investigation employs upwards of 15,000 undercover agents today, ten times what they had on the roster back in 1975.If you think that’s a few spies too many — spies earning as much as $100,000 per assignment — one doesn’t have to go too deep into their track record to see their accomplishments. Those agents are responsible for an overwhelming amount of terrorist stings that have stopped major domestic catastrophes in the vein of 9/11 from happening on American soil.
Another thing those agents are responsible for, however, is plotting those very schemes.
The FBI has in recent years used trained informants not just to snitch on suspected terrorists, but to set them up from the get-go. A recent report put together by Mother Jones and the Investigative Reporting Program at the University of California-Berkley analyses some striking statistics about the role of FBI informants in terrorism cases that the Bureau has targeted in the decade since the September 11 attacks.
The report reveals that the FBI regularly infiltrates communities where they suspect terrorist-minded individuals to be engaging with others. Regardless of their intentions, agents are sent in to converse within the community, find suspects that could potentially carry out “lone wolf” attacks and then, more or less, encourage them to do so. By providing weaponry, funds and a plan, FBI-directed agents will encourage otherwise-unwilling participants to plot out terrorist attacks, only to bust them before any events fully materialize.
Additionally, one former high-level FBI officials speaking to Mother Jones says that, for every informant officially employed by the bureau, up to three unofficial agents are working undercover.
The FBI has used those informants to set-up and thus shut-down several of the more high profile would-be attacks in recent years. The report reveals that the Washington DC Metro bombing plot, the New York City subway plot, the attempt to blow up Chicago’s Sears Tower and dozens more were all orchestrated by FBI agents. In fact, reads the report, only three of the more well-known terror plots of the last decade weren’t orchestrated by FBI-involved agents.
The report reveals that in many of the stings, important meetings between informants and the unknowing participants are left purposely unrecorded, as to avoid any entrapment charges that could cause the case to be dismissed. Perhaps the most high-profile of the FBI-proposed plots was the case of the Newburgh 4. Around an hour outside of New York City, an informant infiltrated a Muslim community and engaged four local men to carry out a series of attacks. Those men may have never actually carried out an attack, but once the informant offered them a plot and a pair of missiles, they agreed. Defense attorneys cried “entrapment,” but the men still were sentenced to 25 years apiece.
"The problem with the cases we're talking about is that defendants would not have done anything if not kicked in the ass by government agents," Martin Stolar tells Mother Jones. Stolar represented the suspect involved in a New York City bombing plot that was set-up by FBI agents. "They're creating crimes to solve crimes so they can claim a victory in the war on terror." For their part, the FBI says this method is a plan for "preemption," "prevention" and "disruption."
The report also reveals that, of the 500-plus prosecutions of terrorism-related cases they analyzed, nearly half of them involved the use of informants, many of whom worked for the FBI in exchange for money or to work off criminal charges. Of the 158 prosecutions carried out, 49 defendants participated in plots that agent provocateurs arranged on behalf of the FBI.
Experts note that the chance of winning a terrorism-related trial, entrapment or not, is near impossible. "The plots people are accused of being part of — attacking subway systems or trying to bomb a building — are so frightening that they can overwhelm a jury," David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor, tells Mother Jones. Since 9/11, almost two-thirds of the cases linked to terrorism have ended with guilty pleas. “They don't say, 'I've been entrapped,' or, 'I was immature,’” a retired FBI official remarks.
All of this and those guilty pleas often stem for just being in the right place at the wrong time. Farhana Khera of the group Muslim Advocate notes that agents go into mosques on “fishing expeditions” just to see where they can get interest in the community. "The FBI is now telling agents they can go into houses of worship without probable cause," says Khera. "That raises serious constitutional issues."
From the set-up to the big finish, the whole sting operation is ripe with constitutional issues such as that.
University of California-Berkley is a bunch of communists.
Great points you make, but where are agents supposed to get their leads, from the New York Times? Agents must investigate, analyse, assess, look for sample data, conduct research, et cetera. They cannot be expected to work at arms length from society. Field work is a must for their specialty in SI. Moreover, I don't want them cloistered like Nuns in the Roman Catholic Church, frankly.
illegaL IMMIGRATION YO
God does not need to tell you who your enemies are when they are so clearly plain to see.
America has gone off the rails. Government employees confirm that the new standard operating procedure is this "Americans must justify themselves, their actions and thoughts to the Government on a daily basis. Citizens are responsible to provide all their acts and thoughts to the Government, so they can protect us. The burden is on the citizen to prove his innocence and patriotism. If he fails to provide his total information package to his government, he will be judged a threat to his safety."
In this up side down America, we people are are responsible to people in government who are supposed to be responsible to us. They should have to justify their actions to us, not us to them. Law Enforcement has become just like the Soviet KGB. They sought to track every Soviet citizens thoughts, actions and deed, in order for the citizen to prove his loyalty to the Soviet state.
American government now seeks to spy on the innocent. Though you have done nothing wrong, they demand you prove it. Where it was supposed to be them who had to prove you did something wrong. It is upside down.
We allow the pack of shits in congress to authorize all this. We vote for them. In fact, a congressman has almost more chance to be struck by lightning than not win re-election. Why? Has the media brainwashed people that much? Has public education turned all Americans into slavish Soviet citizens?