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"Orwellian" FBI Says Citizens Should Have No Secrets That The Government Can't Access

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Submitted by J.D. Heyes via NaturalNews.com,

The police and surveillance state predicted in the forward-looking 1940s classic “1984” by George Orwell, has slowly, but steadily, come to fruition. However, like a frog sitting idly in a pan of steadily-warming water, too many Americans still seem unaware that the slow boil of big government is killing their constitutional liberties.

The latest sign of this stealth takeover of civil rights and freedom was epitomized in recent Senate testimony by FBI Director James Comey, who voiced his objections to civilian use of encryption to protect personal data – information the government has no automatic right to obtain.

As reported by The New American, Comey testified that he believes the government’s spy and law enforcement agencies should have unfettered access to everything Americans may store or send in electronic format: On computer hard drives, in so-called i-clouds, in email and in text messaging – for our own safety and protection. Like many in government today, Comey believes that national security is more important than constitutional privacy protections or, apparently, due process. After all, aren’t criminals the only ones who really have anything to hide?

In testimony before a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee entitled “Going Dark: Encryption, Technology, and the Balance Between Public Safety and Privacy” Comey said that in order to stay one step ahead of terrorists, as well as international and domestic criminals, Uncle Sam’s various spy and law enforcement agencies should have access to available technology used to de-encrypt protected data. Also, he believes the government should be the final arbiter deciding when decryption is necessary.

What could go wrong there?

Government, at all levels, is responsible

During the hearing, TNA reported, technology experts warned the panel that giving the FBI limitless access to the personal electronic data of Americans would open it up to exploitation by “bad actors.” But Comey was having none of that.

“It is clear that governments across the world, including those of our closest allies, recognize the serious public safety risks if criminals can plan and undertake illegal acts without fear of detection,” he told the committee.

 

“Are we comfortable with technical design decisions that result in barriers to obtaining evidence of a crime?”

So, in essence, Comey like many before him, especially since the global war on terror was launched – believes that, in the name of national security Americans ought to give up more of their individual and constitutional rights because that’s the only way we can be adequately protected.

Perhaps realizing that his Senate hearing testimony was public, Comey gave the Constitution a passing glance, noting that the government should respect the “requirements and safeguards of the laws” and the country’s founding document. However, as Americans now know, spy agencies during the past two presidential administrations have been tasked increasingly with conducting warrantless, unchecked surveillance of Americans’ electronic data and communications.

But all of this is not on men like Comey and Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. Congress bears its share of responsibility, too.

This is the way it is – shut up and take it

When such activities of the National Security Agency were exposed in 2013 by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, many in the media and among the American electorate were quick to blame the agency, as if it was somehow acting out of rogue instinct.

The reality is, however, that the agency is tasked to perform its duties either by statutory law (think the USA Patriot Act) or by presidential directive (think Bush’s order after 9/11 to conduct warrantless surveillance).

“We are not asking to expand the government’s surveillance authority, but rather we are asking to ensure that we can continue to obtain electronic information and evidence pursuant to the legal authority that Congress has provided to us to keep America safe,” Comey said during the Senate hearing.

What does all this mean? It simply means that at every level, government considers its own citizens hostile.

Oh, and there’s nothing we can do about it.

 

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Sun, 08/09/2015 - 13:51 | 6407210 teutonicate
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Thanks to both of the bloggers below for at least caring enough to respond to my post and voice the same frustrations that most of us on ZH share with the current situation.

Because you cared enough to respond, I will give my humble opinion about some things that we can do, with the understanding that these are non-violent options that may be less immediate and satisfying for some, given the level of frustration that many currently feel.

In general, my suggestions are confined, at least at this point in the evolution of this problem, to legal and non-violent things that can be done at the local level, that I believe would have a profound effect if done on a mass scale.

1) Cancel your subscriptions to cable TV, Facebook, Twitter and other cabalist-controlled broadcast and social media channels – while preserving your continued access to the internet.

Result: The cabal will be starved of advertising revenue, content subscription revenue, and abusive data mining opportunities, all powerful mediums for poisonous anti-white European propaganda that finance the cabal and undermine our culture. I know this will be a great sacrifice for sports fans and social media addicts, but enough is at stake here that this should be a small price to pay for the future of our people. If you miss sports that much, engage in them directly as a substitute for watching them on TV. It’s better for your mind and your body.

2) Fight illegal immigration. Rat out employers who hire illegal aliens. Be proud of your race, culture and nation.

Result: Self-explanatory.

3) Pay off debt. Gradually build a physical gold/silver reserve for a portion (not all) of your investments – if that is an option for you.

Result: On balance this hurts the cabal more than anything, because they disproportionately participate in the benefits from usurious debt/consumerism and the fiat currency model that sap our society of its values and vitality. It’s also sound financial advice for most people.

4) Home school your children, while encouraging their social interaction with children from like-minded family environments.

Result: It allows you to remove your children from the poisonous public school environment, dominated by multi-cultural propaganda, and supported by self-serving unionized teachers and controlling bureaucrats. It also weakens the government’s choke-hold on curriculum and teaching methods, and allows us to re-inculcate pride in our race and basic values in the education of our children. It’s the best way I know to let your children know that you love them and truly care about their future. If work prevents you from taking this option, then get active in your local school board to fight federal control of education (e.g. common core).

5) Refuse to accommodate politically correct behaviors and commentary that undermine our race, culture and society. Don’t be afraid to blame the cabal for their crimes against our people.

Result: More and more people will speak their mind if they discover like minded people have the courage to stand up for what they believe in both with their comments and their actions. It’s difficult, because it can be risky. You need to go slow and carefully choose your audience, but honestly, I have been surprised by the level of support you can get if you take a stand – because others with like feelings and less bravery will, on occasion, admire your courage and back you up. It starts with the individual.

6) Continue to blog aggressively on ZH and other forums of your choice that enable free expression of our ideas and values. Refuse to compromise on your freedom of speech or other constitutional rights (including the right to bear arms).

Result: Self-explanatory.

7) Vote for the candidates at the local and federal level, that in your judgment, are the least destructive to the values reflected by the above local non-violent tactics.

Result: It’s a blunt and largely ineffective instrument, but nobody is going to give you a medal as a revolutionary for not voting. As imperfect as it is, and as annoying as it is to have to pick from a group of “kosher” cabalist-controlled candidates, it is still more effective than doing nothing – as long as you invest a little time in trying to determining the “least bad option”.

I would welcome contributions from other bloggers with good non-violent ideas.

Our people are being subjected to genocide.

Based on our rights of survival alone, we would be entitled to respond with violence.

However, our cabalist overlords cannot fault us for doing any of the above, because they are all perfectly legal and non-violent. At this point in time, our interests are best served by exhausting our non-violent options first. If we have no other alternative to protect our people from genocide, there may come a time for violence. But that time is not now.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 08:47 | 6406617 RaceToTheBottom
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Cheese popes, all cheese popes!

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 08:47 | 6406618 NoWayJose
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This has never been about protecting Americans. There is no way that they can monitor 3 billion text messages and 1 billion phone calls each day - and use that to 'discover' a new terrorist or a new terrorist plot. There are not enough field agents to track all of this down. There are only two purposes:

The less offensive one is about the FBI not being embarrassed after a crime. So it will use its surveillance to go after contacts and associates and look for motive. Basically it lets them find your buddies and gives them more evidence to use against you. And in their mind they don't want to have a warrant.

The more offensive one is that they are using it to develop lists of 'persons of interest'. Join the NRA and you go on one list. Travel to Turkey and you go on another list. Go on Facebook and 'like' a prepper site and you go on another list. The FBI has hundreds of these lists. Where the real 'terror' comes in is that the FBI/NSA/etc can then cross index these lists with other government agencies and come up with specific 'profile lists' of people with several 'bad' characteristics. At some point in the future, they can target these people by 'profile' - such as:

"A white male, between 40 and 50 years old, who owns a bug out location, goes to church, has a family, owns a gun, Tweeted against Jade Helm, and reads ZeroHedge".

Clearly a threat to America!

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:56 | 6406693 rejected
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The only bad guys the fbi, and the rest of the kindergarten cop agencies, can catch are the ones they setup.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:20 | 6406848 Lostinfortwalton
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Then they use the arrest of the stooges as a pretext for demanding more tax dollars for the expansion of their agencies. These security agencies ( who even knows how many?)are already being funded with deficit tax dollars, which mean your kids and grandkids will pay through the nose for this crippling nonsense.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:57 | 6406933 J Jason Djfmam
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But see the great thing about this system is that all they have to do is say they have evidence you have done or said something wrong.

The will claim their all knowing and all seeing system is perfect and catches it all. You will have to defend yourself against zeroes and ones created out fo thin air.

We are not so far from the crime being created by them to fit your situation. Whoever they want to go down will go down.

They have the "evidence".

Why bother searching for evidence when you can just "create" it?

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 08:49 | 6406620 williambanzai7
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Public safety risks created and/or typically fabricated by our league of statists.

They are not our government as far as I am concerned.

I don't recall consenting to be governed by a mob of closet fascists and neocon shitheads, do you?

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:52 | 6406688 rejected
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Emphatically No!!

And as usual with fascist nazi's, it's not National Security they're concerned with, it's good old fashioned State Security.  Big difference.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:31 | 6406877 Hey Assholes
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I withdraw my consent to be governed by a criminal gang of murderers, theives, thugs, and spies.

I pay taxes only because of the gun to my head that they hold.

Don't vote, it only gives them legitimacy.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 08:53 | 6406624 SMC
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Today it is: “Are we comfortable with technical design decisions that result in barriers to obtaining evidence of a crime?”

Tomorrow may be:  Are we comfortable with banning the torture of detained citizens that result in barriers to obtaining a confession?

National Security:  Beltway speak for hiding the crimes of “Just Us” and their minions.

There is something you can do:  Unplug to the maximum extent possible.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 08:55 | 6406628 css1971
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There is a type of encryption which is basically uncrackable, which is simple to use and which can be implemented with paper, pencil and and a set of dungeons and dragons dice. Doesn't need a computer though there are obviously computer implementations.

It's called a "one time pad".

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:13 | 6406644 Kokulakai
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What's the point in preserving the nation if we destroy liberty in doing so?

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:21 | 6406656 d edwards
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it might help if we didn't allow invaders from all over the f ing world pour into the country!

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:21 | 6406657 Lostinfortwalton
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Did the FBI ever say why they did not take the two notifications from the Russians about the Boston Chechens seriously?

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:27 | 6406850 I-am-not-one-of-them
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you don't expose your own operation (Boston, 9-11)

the war on terror needs constant justification, and if there ain't no war here, why go there?

 

7 countries in 5 years, there's the motive (they've added a few countries since 2001, and that 5 years is now 15 and ongowing)

 

as for the surveillance state, they want to stay in power, by any means

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:31 | 6406665 headhunt
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So take away freedom of all citizens instead of doing something horrible like making use of common sense and 'profiling' those who will do harm. God forbid they profile a muslim who comes from a terrorist state - how racist. Better to assume all people are terrorists and until they can prove that they are not.

Fucked up communists in government - the enemy is within the walls.

Profile them.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:36 | 6406670 Infinite QE
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Easy solution to find the "terrorists". Get the mailing list for PNAC and start water boarding.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:40 | 6406669 yellowsub
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They have Facebook already for those stupid enough to post illegal shit on there.  

Probably why they're targeting the encryption on phones now.

Next would be chip implants for everyone.  I wonder how those who claim they have nothing to hide would feel about that.

Unfortunately we need to be less passive about these things, just because we're not physically affected about these changes, it just opens the door for more aggressive tactics...

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:46 | 6406682 Charles Offdensen
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Come on you guys. The govt can't use what we are all and have been saying against us on here. After all we are just actors right?

We use avatars with fake names just like in hollywood. They have people who use fake names that act out terrorist plots against the country, against the president and civilians dont they?

None of us here really mean what we are saying becquse we are all just acting out on a world stage. Hollywood film and teevee script writers do it all the time and they dont go to jail do they?

We are just showing our writing abilities and plot ideas to hopefully get noticed so we can some day get paid millions of dollars to act like they do in hollywood.

After all, none of us really means what we are saying. WE ARE JUST ACTING.

Right?!?!?!?

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 09:52 | 6406687 Bill of Rights
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I have a secret Mr FBI ... Go fuck yourself. Don't tell anyone.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 10:00 | 6406697 Psquared
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I would rather keep my liberty and live with the risk of domestic terrorism and even crime. It is the government that is protecting itself (and the elite) rather than protecting the citizens.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 10:10 | 6406709 stant
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The eff bee eye and see eye a want to grow up to be like the Kay gee bee when the us collapse. That is own all the assets and become billionaires oops trillion airs

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 10:30 | 6406743 Salzburg1756
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Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four views the tribe as the victims of the government and make a tribesman the hero of those opposing the government. It therefore presents a very inaccurate view of what we see today. Maurice Bardèche's Nuremberg or the Promised Land presents a much more accurate view:

In 1949, one year after the publication of Nuremberg or the Promised Land, another prophetic book was published, George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In it Orwell describes a scary future in which there is a single party dictatorship, living conditions are drab, food is scarce, people’s thoughts are openly controlled by Big Brother, their words and actions are monitored through “telescreens” which they cannot turn off, they are given no choice over what they view on these screens, there is only one channel on the “telescreens” and one film (always a war film) in the theatres, in one such film refugees trying to escape are shot to the delight of the audience, some of these refugees are Jewish, “the Enemy of the People” is a Jew, Emmanuel Goldstein, who is condemned for “advocating freedom of speech, freedom of the Press, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought,” people are openly taught to hate him and his followers during “Two Minutes Hate” and “Hate Week,” sex is discouraged through a “Junior Anti-Sex League,” the Inner Party is called the “Inner Party,” thoughtcrime is called “thoughtcrime,” Thought Police are called “Thought Police,” the media propagate obvious, self-contradictory lies such as: “War Is Peace,” “Freedom Is Slavery,” “Ignorance Is Strength,” people are told that democracy is “impossible” (although the Party is said to be its “guardian”), capitalism is viewed as a barbarity that has “vanished.”

The world described in 1984 little resembles that in the Occident today. We live in multi-party democracies. Our mainstream media tell us not only that democracy is possible and a very good thing, but that its triumph everywhere is virtually inevitable, an inevitability which we should make every effort to encourage. Living conditions are generally good, food is abundant. Capitalism is alive and well and is promoted as an economic panacea. Our politicians advocate the same things as does Emmanuel Goldstein. Our media propagate obvious lies such as: “Diversity is our strength,” but they at least avoid flagrant self-contradictions (some kinds of diversity may indeed be a source of strength, although certainly not the radical ethnic diversity that our media promote). Refugees do not flee our societies, but rather risk their lives trying to get into them. We are not taught to hate, but to tolerate. Sex is not generally discouraged, even among the young. With our multi-channel televisions and the internet we are free to see, hear, read, and discuss almost anything, if not everywhere. Freedom reigns. Yet to some that freedom seems, if not illusory, useless. It is useless because people’s thoughts and actions are monitored and controlled not by anything outside themselves but by their own warped consciences, consciences deliberately warped by our mainstream media, consciences closely resembling Bardèche’s “universal conscience.”

Orwell’s and Bardèche’s books have had quite different careers in the Occident. Orwell’s, although formerly banned in the Soviet Union, has been widely read and praised; Bardèche’s is still banned in France and is generally unknown elsewhere. 1984 has served to warn us against the dangers of Communism, and for that deserves acclaim. But one cannot help but wonder if its general acclaim today is not also an index to its irrelevance. We have escaped the dreadful future envisioned by Orwell in 1984. We have not escaped the dreadful future envisioned by Bardèche in 1948.

Bardèche’s book is a classic. It is of interest today primarily because of what it says about the future. Throughout the first three quarters of the book the discussion of the trial is interlaced with somber warnings and ominous admonitions to the reader: “One is proposing a future to us, one does so by condemning the past. It is into this future also that we want to see clearly. It is these principles that we would like to look at directly. For we already foresee that these new ethics refer to a strange universe, a universe with something sick about it, an elastic universe where our eyes no longer recognize things.”

Bardèche has examined the transcript of the Nuremberg Trial and now, like an ancient prophet after examining the entrails of a sacrifice, he has bad news to deliver and knows that others will not want to hear him. Indeed, very few have been willing to hear him. The last quarter of the book is devoted entirely to an exposition of what the future will bring. That anyone in 1948 could have foreseen so accurately our modern world is to me astounding. Bardèche recognized that the judicial travesty at Nuremberg was not simply an act of vengeance by victors against the vanquished and that what was on trial there was not just the particular German defendants, nor the German nation, nor even National Socialism, but rather nationalism itself: the idea that a people own the land that they have long lived in and have the right to live in it as they wish and to exclude others from living in it if they so wish. It is nationalism in any form which was condemned at Nuremberg.

With amazing prescience Bardèche foresaw in its condemnation the coming of an international system which is first and foremost economic, not political or governmental. Its purpose is to protect an international economic élite, not ordinary persons, or peoples or nations. It offers the latter lots of rights but no guarantees that these rights will be respected. Its laws are unclear (unlike those of a prince) and broadly unenforceable, but the system does not attempt to enforce them broadly but only selectively. For selected victims punishments are severe. Victims are selected not so much because they have broken laws but because they have offended the “universal conscience,” the conscience created and fostered in us all by the media (Bardèche’s “radio”). Bardèche clearly foresaw the system which we today call “globalism,” although he nowhere uses that term. He also foresaw at least implicitly many other aspects of our world: Third World immigration, the irrational glorification of democracy, loss of sovereignty, humanitarian wars and interference, hate crimes, affirmative action, racial miscegenation and replacement, etc.: “At the bottom of the sanctuary there sits a Negro god. You have all the rights, except to speak evil of the god.” “And, from one end of the world to the other, in perfectly similar cities . . . there will live under similar laws a bastard population, a race of indefinable and gloomy slaves, without genius, without instinct, without voice. . . But this will be the promised land.”

http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?keyWords=nuremberg+or+the+promised+land&type=

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/07/maurice-bardeches-vision-of-the-future-part-1/

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 10:49 | 6406780 Marco
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Key escrow is just a ruse to try to distract people from the growing realization that everything has been backdoored through "bugs". Through collaboration, infiltration, manipulation and occasionally plain incompetence.

The OpenSSL mess. NIST just rubber stamping clearly suspect NSA RNGs. x86 processors have nearly half a dozen rings of protection rings now and each and everyone has been exploited, allowing rootkits to bury ever deeper and make removal ever harder. These mechanisms which were supposedly there to protect us have made us more vulnerable every step of the way. Modern browsers refuse to transparently allow self-signed certificates (you could allow them with normal http://, so it would have no effect on user expectations) allowing continued deep packet filtering fishing expeditions. Then we have systems which are just too open and too easily verified to be abused without immense repurcussions like DNSSEC, which provide a close to ideal method of key-exchange which major browsers (again) refuse to support.

Incompetence or malice? I'd say it's mostly incompetence (useful idiots) directed through malice. The entire tech industry is rotten from the bottom up. They don't need key escrow, they own our computers to begin with.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:01 | 6406813 Deathstar
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There are ~315 million people in this country (more criminals flooding in everyday)

The number of foreign terrorists is still infinitesimal compared to the number of local state and fed terrorists.

I would indeed be more safe without all of the GOV thieves/terrorist tax collectors roaming the streets and the internet.

You can kill a foreign terrorist in self defense with no problems. Try to defend yourself from a jack boot thug that is committing a crime against you (happens more often than you may think) and your life is ruined either way regardless of outcome.

I'll take my chances with the foreign "terrorists"

Fuck the GOV!

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:05 | 6406817 Heywood Jahblohmee
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Any REAL terrorist can do huge damage in the USA anytime they want.  They aren't stupid.  Isn't it odd there have been NO major attacks in the USA since 911?

Its not because of security and DHS, TSA etce   Its because 911 was total inside job.  using patsies

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:14 | 6406830 JailBanksters
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Well this should apply to the FBI as well.

If you've got nothing to hide, then give us your email passwords so we can make sure there is nothing in that shouldn't be in there.

 

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:21 | 6406851 insanelysane
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Whilst "secrets" have a context of hiding something illegal or immoral there are secrets of value that no government should or needs access to:

Invention ideas prior to patent.

Strategic business plans whether it be a buyout or a marketing campaign.

Political campaign strategy (Incumbents controlling the current government agencies have access to their political opponents' strategies.)

Playbooks, draft boards, and contract/trade negotiations by professional sports teams.

 

All of this information is valuable to someone and having some putz working for the government having access to it becomes a real problem.

Harry Reid had access to Mitt Romney's tax information and I'm sure if Mitt had engaged in any nefarious activity Harry Reid had access to "the Mitt Romney file."  Enough said.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:30 | 6406873 besnook
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when i was a kid an american resident had the right to be ananymous as a law abiding citizen. today it is virtually illegal to be anonymous. a generation of kids have lived with it. by the next generation no american will have experienced freedom in their lifetime so they will accept the version they know and call it freedom.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 11:31 | 6406876 U4 eee aaa
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A good rule of thumb is whatever government determines is good for its citizens is probably what should be applied to government.

They listen to their own thoughts and project those on the citizenry and that is where these paranoid desires come from

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 12:13 | 6406974 Ban KKiller
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James Comey, war profiteer, bankster and attorney. Who knew one guy could be such a scumbag? 

Yeah, I am on some list. For my own protection, no doubt. 

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 12:17 | 6406977 GMadScientist
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Crypto should be considered protected by both the 2nd and 4th amendments.

This is what happens when you let people who can't do basic math (Gomer, Inhofe, Maxine Waters, etc ad nauseam) write your motherfucking laws.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 12:23 | 6406987 Dragon HAwk
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If they know everything then they know how pissed we are..

 

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 12:36 | 6407026 Ms No
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I noticed there are many comments on blackmail on this link but this type of invasion of our rights also provides utility for frame jobs and ruining the good character of anyone who pops up on their radar as a problem. 

If you prove to be problematic for the deep state in any fashion they can ruin credibility and frame how the rest of the public sees you.  Those terrible pics they have of you that make you look like a bath salts user, that weird site that you came across and exited as fast as possible, the guy you knew in passing that unbeknownst to you was a pederast, the invariable mistakes made in your understanding of the gargantuan tax code, that weird fetish that you have where you like your girlfriend to powder your nuts and then spank your ass because you were a bad boy (sorry couldn't help myself), that script you went on for a month after your spouse died, etc. 

 Meanwhile our government passes laws that the population are not allowed to read, perfect!  You can bet your ass that it's the people who act like Bill Cosby always did and feign completely perfect lives and recoil in righteous indignance when someone so much as swears that are the ones who have more skeletons in the closet than anyone.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 12:47 | 6407067 insanelysane
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+1,000,000

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 13:06 | 6407110 greatgiantsicko
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I don't know where the idea of privacy past your front door comes fom.  There are no legal protections of privacy other than in your home.  Once your information travels along that wire, it is no longer protected.  Having said that, I don't know why Americans will not demand strictor protections on that information.  People have willingly given up their privacy to Google, Apple, etc.  Once the corps have it, it's not a stretch to say they have willingly given it up to the gov't.  It is, after all, their wire.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 13:27 | 6407164 Ms No
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Persons, houses, papers and effects... good enough for me.  Mail going electronic doen't make it not mail anymore.  True its their wires but it's our country....oh wait, corporations are people now, never mind.

 

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 12:35 | 6407028 moneybots
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"... like a frog sitting idly in a pan of steadily-warming water, too many Americans still seem unaware that the slow boil of big government is killing their constitutional liberties."

 

All the guests on Cashin' In sided with Christie over Rand Paul, on mass surveillance.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 12:36 | 6407033 the grateful un...
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i dont know why he thinks they dont already have this capability, they can take apart any commercially produced encryption program. he just wants them to hand over the keys and save the government a lot of trouble (if a company sells one of these programs to al qaeda for instance, you want the FBI to have those keys) the irony is that the more commercially popular the program the less effective it will be, the program that sells the most will the one they learn to open first. it would be far more effective to build your own encryption system, because if 100 million americans each had their own encryption code, it would take them forever to figure out each one. this is a product where mass production is counter productive.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 12:54 | 6407076 Ms No
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Good point.  I'm not sure why he believes that they don't yet have all of this capability but there is a good deal of historical precedent that states will exaggerate their capabilities in this area to get the cold wind blowing so to speak.  Snowden and many others have managed to get around these guys so they are definitely not omnipotent.  You would think that as mad as everyone is for one reason or another it would just become white noise at some point.

 

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 13:22 | 6407151 greatgiantsicko
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Snowden and others did not "get around" them in any technological manner.  He was given access to their system and just DLd what he had access to.  The failure of the NSA was not in protecting their information from hackers, it was in their human intelligence system; i.e. they did not profile Snowden.  I don't honestly think th NSA sytem is hackable, but I do know they can read whatever they want whenever they want to, and no form of encryption is going to protect you from that.  Anything made by a person can be destroyed by another person, esepcially if that person has more processing power.  Once the NSA knew Snowden was the one who stole their data, they knew where to find him.  So, maybe not omnipotent, but omnipresent.  Snowden was smart enough, for the time being, to flee to a country at odds with America.  Not sure how much longer that protection is going to last.  I man, what does Snowden have to offer the Russians anymore, other than the smack in the face already delivered to the US.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 13:35 | 6407183 Ms No
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Well on the bright side of things at least they can't just hack into our brains remotely yet(hopefully).  Technology is advancing so fast that it is easy to imagine that if corruption continues unabated it may become nearly omnipotent. 

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 14:13 | 6407278 the grateful un...
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http://mashable.com/2015/07/31/gm-onstar-hack/

 

why hack into someones brain, when you hack into their car

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 15:26 | 6407395 greatgiantsicko
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That's done through TV.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 18:00 | 6407816 Duc888
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Ms No: Well on the bright side of things at least they can't just hack into our brains...........

 

uh....yea ok, the tech has been around since the seventies, patents and all.

 

Here's a refresher....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j88BcgzzcTc&spfreload=1

Notice everyones shitting a brick lately about AI.

The Falklands "war" was not about oil.

...and... for $300 Alex what does tha "Arab Spring" and Gulf War II have in common?

 

 


Sun, 08/09/2015 - 12:54 | 6407075 moneybots
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“It is clear that governments across the world, including those of our closest allies, recognize the serious public safety risks if criminals can plan and undertake illegal acts without fear of detection,” he told the committee.

 

I see criminal acts reported on the news every day.  Mass surveillance has not stopped any of those criminal acts.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 13:07 | 6407113 me or you
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First Things First:

- Ditch your Winddows or Mac computer instead install Linux.

- Don't use any US base email services instead go for RiseUp Email, Lavaboom, Hushmail, Protonmail, Tutanota.

- Cloud  services go for Mega, BitTorrent Sync.

- VPN try RiseUp VPN. Free and secured.

- Video chat, email, messenger all in one Unseen.

- Messenger try Bleep by BitTorrent.


* Stop Using Facebook, What'sApp and Instagram. It's up to you to keep your information PRIVATE.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 13:07 | 6407114 GreatUncle
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You just have to treat it as a comedy show where somebody speaks and you got to laugh because it is ... dah, dah a comedy even if it is crap.

The biggest criminals are the banksters / politicians but the FBI will not do an Elliot Ness on them will they?

No .. so therein lies the argument for more powers is utterly worthless if the most corrupt insider dealers (they know which way the market is going to move because they manipulate it that way).

FBI camps on FEDS doorstep tomorrow on insider dealing could be interesting or politiciand who take bribes / backhander deals.

 

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 13:22 | 6407152 MedicalQuack
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Well here's a bit more from the medical side...look at the way prescription data is used and sold for profit.  You default to non compliance if there's not enough data..pay cash for prescriptions..you're an Outlier...actual software used by pharmacists tell them they need to fix the Outliers and they're not happy about it either as they don't like this digital caste system.  This is yet one more angle on the war on cash.  

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/07/patients-who-pay-cash-when-filling.html

Operation Perception-Deception is alive and well in the US as consumers are lowered to levels which I end up calling us the Dupes of Hazard...be a skeptic and don't suck all this stuff in.  This week, BS from the American Academy of Family Practice physicians, med students who learn how to cook make better doctors..total BS and MDs have quite the conversation going on this spurious correlation.  How many Dupes of Hazard though will actually believe it?  

News is rigged and bots write 60% of what you read today and there's a ton of fake grass root campaigns mixed in with the real ones..tune them all out is about the best we can do now.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2015/04/news-rigging-has-arrived-astroturf-and.html

 

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 13:57 | 6407233 XitSam
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Government is confusing National Security with Government Security.

Two different things.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 14:10 | 6407263 numapepi
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"After all, aren’t criminals the only ones who really have anything to hide?"

 

Then why is the government hiding behind so much secrecy? By their own definition... they are criminals.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 15:04 | 6407354 directaction
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A few fast points to set everyone straight:

 

1. There is nothing we can do to stop dot gov from spying on people so quit complaining.
2. It's truly for our own safety and good so be thankful and damn glad it's happening.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 17:29 | 6407734 Duc888
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directaction:

A few fast points to set everyone straight:

 

1. There is nothing we can do to stop dot gov from spying on people so quit complaining.
2. It's truly for our own safety and good so be thankful and damn glad it's happening.

 

Able danger motherfucker.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 19:44 | 6408118 monad
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1. Build dossiers on the indivduals doing the state crimes.

2. Uphold the law.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 16:16 | 6407498 jcdenton
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The FBI (Federal Bureau of Intimidation) has been exposed. These guys are just a bunch of Freemasonic Luciferian Nazis. (Just like it parents , the DVD) ..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/04/neo-so-much-more-than-nukes/

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 16:55 | 6407634 atomicwasted
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ZH is quoting antivax, pseudo-science Natural News?  If this site didn't jump the shark when it approvingly reposted the KKK Grand Dragon's screed a few weeks ago, it has now.  Or, as I like to think, it has jumped the shark twice.

Sun, 08/09/2015 - 17:27 | 6407726 Duc888
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Jeez, a long time ago the FBI used to be the good guys.  Now they all shit on the Constitution.

Mon, 08/10/2015 - 01:21 | 6408860 onmail
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Time to dig a tunnel below parliament & white house and place two nuclear bombs

(hello NSA)

Mon, 08/10/2015 - 04:20 | 6409056 dreadnaught
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funny....i was just watching the episode "OBIT" on The Outer Limits (1963) almost as if it were written today.  I think producers Leslie Stevens and Joseph Stefano had some inside info in their stories-even way back then...

 

even "Outer Band Individual Telemetry" sounds legit-it was a machine that could watch anyone, anywhere... and the gov cant even say who built it!

Tue, 08/11/2015 - 12:54 | 6414312 much obliged
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Quote: "....spy agencies during the past two presidential administrations have been tasked increasingly with conducting warrantless, unchecked surveillance of Americans’ electronic data and communications."

 

Could come down on the FBI's side and say that there have been plenty of "bad actors" in judiciary who amongst many other things issue warrants. Thinking primarily of the way that judiciary inflated their own income stream by taking manufacturing workers, through trade unions, along on the ride to higher pay only to see manufacturing jobs in America priced out of existence and sent off to virtual slave labor in Asia to perform.

 

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