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Understanding Why The Clinton Emails Matter

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Submitted by Peter van Buren via WeMeantWell.com,

In the world of handling America’s secrets, words – classified, secure, retroactive – have special meanings. I held a Top Secret clearance at the State Department for 24 years and was regularly trained in protecting information as part of that privilege. Here is what some of those words mean in the context of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s emails.

The Inspectors General for the State Department and the intelligence community issued a statement saying Clinton’s personal email system contained classified information. This information, they said, “should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.” The same statement voiced concern that a thumb drive held by Clinton’s lawyer also contains this same secret data. Another report claims the U.S. intelligence community is bracing for the possibility that Clinton’s private email account contains multiple instances of classified information, with some data originating at the CIA and NSA.

A Clinton spokesperson responded that “Any released emails deemed classified by the administration have been done so after the fact, and not at the time they were transmitted.” Clinton claims unequivocally her email contained no classified information, and that no message carried any security marking, such as Confidential or Top Secret.

The key issue in play with Clinton is that it is a violation of national security to maintain classified information on an unclassified system.

Classified, secure, computer systems use a variety of electronic (often generically called TEMPESTed) measures coupled with physical security (special locks, shielded conduits for cabling, armed guards) that differentiate them from an unclassified system. Some of the protections are themselves classified, and unavailable in the private sector. Such standards of protection are highly unlikely to be fulfilled outside a specially designed government facility.

Yet even if retroactive classification was applied only after Clinton hit “send” (and State’s own Inspector General says it wasn’t), she is not off the hook.

What matters in the world of secrets is the information itself, which may or may not be marked “classified.” Employees at the highest levels of access are expected to apply the highest levels of judgment, based on the standards in Executive Order 13526. The government’s basic nondisclosure agreement makes clear the rule is “marked or unmarked classified information.”

In addition, the use of retroactive classification has been tested and approved by the courts, and employees are regularly held accountable for releasing information that was unclassified when they released it, but classified retroactively.

It is a way of doing business inside the government that may at first seem nonsensical, but in practice is essential for keeping secrets.

For example, if an employee were to be handed information sourced from an NSA intercept of a foreign government leader, somehow not marked as classified, she would be expected to recognize the sensitivity of the material itself and treat it as classified. In other cases, an employee might hear something sensitive and be expected to treat the information as classified. The emphasis throughout the classification system is not on strict legalities and coded markings, but on judgment. In essence, employees are required to know right from wrong. It is a duty, however subjective in appearance, one takes on in return for a security clearance.

“Not knowing” would be an unexpected defense from a person with years of government experience.

In addition to information sourced from intelligence, Clinton’s email may contain some back-and-forth discussions among trusted advisors. Such emails are among the most sensitive information inside State, and are otherwise always considered highly classified. Adversaries would very much like to know America’s bargaining strategy. The value of such information is why, for example, the NSA electronically monitored heads of state in Japan and Germany. The Freedom of Information Act recognizes the sensitivity of internal deliberation, and includes a specific exemption for such messages, blocking their release, even years after a decision occurred. If emails discussing policy or decisions were traded on an open network, that would be a serious concern.

The problem for Clinton may be particularly damaging. Every email sent within the State Department’s own systems contains a classification; an employee technically cannot hit “send” without one being applied. Just because Clinton chose to use her own hardware does not relieve her or her staff of this requirement.

Some may say even if Clinton committed security violations, there is no evidence the material got into the wrong hands – no blood, no foul. Legally that is irrelevant. Failing to safeguard information is the issue. It is not necessary to prove the information reached an adversary, or that an adversary did anything harmful with the information for a crime to have occurred. See the cases of Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, Jeff Sterling, Thomas Drake, John Kiriakou or even David Petraeus. The standard is “failure to protect” by itself.

None of these laws, rules, regulations or standards fall under the rubric of obscure legalities; they are drilled into persons holding a security clearance via formal training (mandatory yearly for State Department employees), and are common knowledge for the men and women who handle America’s most sensitive information. For those who use government computer systems, electronic tools enforce compliance and security personnel are quick to zero in on violations.

A mantra inside government is that protecting America’s secrets is everyone’s job. That was the standard against which I was measured throughout my career and the standard that should apply to everyone entrusted with classified information.

 

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Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:32 | 6420687 TahoeBilly2012
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Only matters if the bitch goes away for good

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:38 | 6420715 knukles
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I knew you knew how to spell criminal enterprise.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:53 | 6420787 Dr. Engali
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I knew that you knew that she knew how to spell criminal enterprise.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:55 | 6420793 wee-weed up
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How do you spell arrogance?

H-i-t-l-e-r-y

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:57 | 6420798 remain calm
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Some may say even if Clinton committed security violations, there is no evidence the material got into the wrong hands – no blood, no foul. Legally that is irrelevant. Failing to safeguard information is the issue. 

We will never know if the Russians or the Chinese got it. My guess is they absolutely did. But why would they ever divuldge it. They want the reckless dumb cunt in the White House, they know it just makes it easier to get what they want whether it be bribery or theft. They want the Clinton bitch in the White House as does every other crooked nation.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:40 | 6420947 WOAR
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"I'll be more flexible after the elections..."

-Barack Obama, to a Russian official

On camera. With a hot mike.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:58 | 6421012 Four chan
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the manifestation of evil.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 01:59 | 6421307 wee-weed up
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Unfortunately, whatever the Ruskies & Chicoms may have from her emails...

If she gets elected, she's home free...

Why?

Very simple... for the same reason Obozo is immune from impeachment for simply being the first black president...

So will Hitlery also be immune from impeachment for being the first woman  president...

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 07:44 | 6421585 kralizec
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WGAFF?  Just wake me up when we have the first impeached and convicted president...

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 16:11 | 6423453 free shit plz
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I think hillary and the democrats are the cause of all our problems because tyler told me so.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:53 | 6420997 Bunga Bunga
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So the Russians have it in their hands, if they want Clinton or Trump as next US-President.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 01:51 | 6421301 OldPhart
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Key quote in the article "to know right from wrong".

Our war criminal government is so used to wrong, it always seems right.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 07:45 | 6421588 rbg81
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Hillary does not concern herself with rules and details.  Those are for the little people to worry about.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:18 | 6421059 drendebe10
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The country needs another corrupt lying cheating money hungry cunt-on about as much as it needs a third term with an illegal indonesian alien muslim lying fudhepacker.

"There ain't nuthin uglier than an old white woman." Fred Sanford 

.....and that cover thumbnail is absolute proof of what Fred said....

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:29 | 6421082 Hal n back
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Literally. "what difference does it make"?

We have a boatload of problems and they cannot be fixed. Hilary or Donald? Scott vs Joe?  Is anybody out there capable.

There was a post yesterday that Kerry is thinking the dollar is  in trouble and sanctions will not work. Obama said it last week. But last Thursday a number of candidates including Carly said sanctions are the way to go.

These are the smartest people in the room?

 

Pick your poison.

 

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 07:26 | 6421131 deepaspuddle
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Powell did the same thing on Cheney's watch. Send him to a ghetto penthouse too.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:33 | 6420689 TeamDepends
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Can't unsee that.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:42 | 6420732 erg
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Really. She makes my colon roil.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:34 | 6420697 Richard Chesler
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Cunt should be in prison.

In Amerika she gets to run for POTUS.

Booyah!

 

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:12 | 6420977 daveO
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What dirt does she have on BHO? This whole story is contrived to push her out of the race, just like they railroaded Petraeus(nominated for CIA on 4/28/11). No one ever asks why BHO nominated her to SoS. It was probably because she had, or he thought she had, his real birth certificate. She started that movement in '08. Trump then renewed it in '11 right before they 'conveniently' found and killed a dead boogie man(5/2/11)! I would love to see the 'anointed one' completely discredited just as much as everyone else wants to see Clinton imprisoned. 

As a reminder, this happened on 4/27/11;

1:32 min. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6hsm81VXKY

26:42min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aszpJ1Iuroo

The art of deal!


Thu, 08/13/2015 - 07:44 | 6421586 Pumpkin
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Sociopath, habitual liars make the best politicians.  Everything it takes to win, right up to treason and murder.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:36 | 6420708 seek
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Looks like some serious unintended consequences of getting Petraeus out of the way. I'm sure she'll slime her way out of this, but it's going to be really hard to argue for leniency when someone else got caught doing something similar but less serious and had to take a plea.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:38 | 6420717 Motorhead
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And don't forget Sandy "Burglar" Berger and John Deutch.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:09 | 6420846 TexasAggie
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The article has some good information.  However, information is classified and only certain have what is called "Original Classification Authority" and the Secretary of State, the Chief, State Department's Bureau of Intelligence all have this authority by virtue of their position. also, the Director NSA, CIA, Sec Def and many others.  Those person are expected to know if info is to be classified and the level of the classification.  When I included any classified info into a document, I also included the required decassification guidelines, and the agency originating the info.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:44 | 6420968 Stuck on Zero
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How does TS info reach the Internet and Hillary's email server at all?  There are no physical connections.  All data is encrypted and only decrypted at the destination devices which are contained in secure facilities.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:30 | 6421084 Bazza McKenzie
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A staff member gives her a classified document and she cites some of that in an email she sends through her own system to someone else, including to another staff member in State (received via the non-classified networ), who then responds with further comments that should be classified necessarily sent over the unclassified network to reach Clinton.

Or she has a conversation with a foreign official or her own staff and sends email comments which then should be classified to another official, but since they originate on her server she has failed to apply classification.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 01:58 | 6421308 OldPhart
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I don't understand all the talk about "Top Secret", when there's two or three higher clearances "Q-level", is the highest known to me.

And you can bet your ass the Secretary of State has whatever is over Q-Level.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:37 | 6420709 Motorhead
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A scoundrel of the nth degree.  And a fucking absolute bitch-ass cunt.  Needless to say, I'm sure there's no love loss between Obama and the Clintons, especially that bitch.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:39 | 6420718 fleur de lis
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She will get off the hook no matter what they find.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:43 | 6420735 rsnoble
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The untouchables.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:57 | 6420755 fleur de lis
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The Clintons are indeed untouchable. But you know who's not untouchable? Everyone who is putting her through this and ruining her chances to control America.

When this settles down and some other wild scandal diverts attention away from her, she will summon every mole, every drug dealer on payroll, and every last wet work savage under her control to mete out punishment to anyone who obstructed her, whether she wins or not.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 06:35 | 6421508 bigkahuna
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The body count will rise.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:42 | 6420727 LetThemEatRand
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I detest this woman, but who cares if she violated the rules of the security state.  Snowden did so intentionally, and I like that guy.  Hate her for legitimate reasons.  There are plenty.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:49 | 6420754 Dr. Engali
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Snowden brought to light the details as to just how in depth the state was spying on its citizens. This bitch is part of the state apparatus who got caught violating the rules she would use to send us to Gitmo. This is reason enough to hate her.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:51 | 6420772 LetThemEatRand
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It's a legitimate gripe that she thinks she's above the law, but my issue is with people here who say that she should be jailed/hung for violating laws they say they hate.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:00 | 6420813 TahoeBilly2012
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Oh I hate those laws...just that watching people who make them break them, me thinks double punishment isn't enough.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:41 | 6420952 Fluorideinthewater
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Vast right wing conspiracy!

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:57 | 6421006 daveO
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Authored by Jarrett.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:41 | 6420953 object_orient
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Pretty lame argument LTER. Are you saying HRC was, like Snowden, a whistleblower trying to expose crimes committed by the government against Americans? Snowden and Manning were acting on conscience when they knowingly broke the law, and should have been provided immunity from prosecution. Clinton is simply covering up her own personal crimes. Why shouldn't she do hard time?

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:10 | 6421033 LetThemEatRand
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Clinton should be doing hard time for corruption, taking bribes, and giving bribes.  The fact that she used unsecure email servers is meaningless to me.  The four corners of the debate have been framed for you, but to me those four corners are part of the matrix.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 00:16 | 6421185 Teamtc321
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LTER, is a Liberal Technocrat troll. Always has been, always will be. All for the greater good. Libs are just spooling right now, their Quenny is in the bite.....sneaky, back biting fucks....

LTER, consider a name change to LTEHRC......

HOPE, HOPE AND CHANGE!!!!

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:02 | 6421310 OldPhart
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She's one of the group that created those laws, one of the group that sought to enforce those laws, and one of the group that made the penalties extreme.  To violate those laws that she helped craft, and waltz away, while any of us would be Vince Foster'ed in a heart beat, means that ultimate justice should be creatively slow, painful, and certain.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:46 | 6420976 Superdave532
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I do believe that this is a legitimate reason - this whole thing wreaks of incompetance.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:42 | 6420728 Prober
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Anything that ugly, with that HUGE an ass, not to mention absolutely immoral and corrupt, must never occupy any office in any government.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:42 | 6420730 rsnoble
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emailgate!

Sounded better than wrinkledoldcuntgate.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:45 | 6420739 Irving Phelps
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Maybe The Donald will be kind enough to save his best for this cunt of mythological proportions.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:46 | 6420740 JC-BI
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God help us if that woman becomes POTUS

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:45 | 6420741 RabbitOne
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My retired wife (35 years gov GS-13 army support) took one look at what Hillary had done and said ‘...I had TS for more than 20 years. If I had done what she did they would have put me in a cell in Leavenworth and tossed away the key. That is treason to do what she did. ...but when you kiss enough butt and the press loves you nothing is going to happen to her. That is how corrupt our system has become...’

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:50 | 6420762 LetThemEatRand
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On this thread, your comment making reference to your government MIC employee wife will get upvotes.  In almost any other context, you would be reminded that you are a statist and your wife is sucking off the trough. ZH at its finest.   Kind of like how Trump is this great guy when he calls himself the most militaristic person in history (rough quote).

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:02 | 6421020 tenpanhandle
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The enemy of your enemy is your friend.  I think this just shows how much everyone here hates that bitch Hitlery.  She is vile and foul and I would make friends of a pile of dogshit if she stepped in it.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:23 | 6421069 rubiconsolutions
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Gotta hand it to you Rand, I agree with you. There is a bit of cognitive dissonance on ZH these days.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 01:27 | 6421270 Clowns on Acid
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Nit picking doosh.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 01:51 | 6421302 SSRI Junkie
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what a pile of drivel

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:05 | 6421311 OldPhart
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Ok, touche, Rand.

He is a statist.  But he's making a point.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:48 | 6420751 yogibear
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Hillary is a drunken lush and her lesbian bitch, Huma Abedin.

http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Hillary-a...

 

 

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:51 | 6420775 Freddie
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Yeah but the Bush family loves the Clintons (and Obama).  They are all the same people working for the same elites destroying America.   The Bush klan are junior members of the Black Hand.  The Clintons and O have not made it yet.

 

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:06 | 6421314 OldPhart
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The Obama's hand's aren't black enough?  WTF?  That's raycyst!

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:48 | 6420756 JoWazzoo
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In ypur heart of hearts, can you truly imagine this piece of shit at President?  Like everything with the clintons, nothing will happen to her.  NOTHING.  At best some underling will be thrown under the bus.  NO MORE.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:50 | 6420763 ThisIsBob
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Shit, the commies had that correspondence before Ms. Clinton clicked send.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:56 | 6420799 fleur de lis
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The commies had it while she was still typing. 

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 00:01 | 6421139 Ness.
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Passwords are not safe.  They're off-key strokes that are monitored and filtered to expose the uniqueness of their pattern.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:04 | 6421023 tenpanhandle
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The commies dictated it to her.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:52 | 6420779 Salah
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Roger Morris' concept not mine: who told us this in New Mexico see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Morris_(American_writer)

Bill Clinton is CIA....how so?  He hated & physically fought with his step-father, Roger Clinton Sr. ..seriously hated the guy. So 2 yrs after Roger dies, William Jefferson Blythe changes his name to Clinton.  How so?

Roger's brother...Raymond Clinton, aka "Buddy" ("my favorite uncle") was the Godfather of the Dixie mafia, operating cat-houses & gambling parlors in Hot Springs, while running a series of car dealerships.

Raymond did numerous "cooler jobs" for Carlos Marcello, Godfather of the [Sicilian] Mafia of New Orleans, and major investor in Batista's Cuba.  Carlos would send guys on the lam up to Hot Springs and Raymond would "look after" 'em. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Marcello

Raymond introduces his bright and [loves-to-fuck-whores] step-nephew Bill to the CIA guys vis-a-vis Carlos Marcello.  Bill joins the outfit, gets on at Georgetown, and is on their payroll even at Oxford.

Roger Morris swears this is the real story of the Clintons.

 

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:52 | 6420780 NoWayJose
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Once Hillary gets off, it should be easy for Snowden to come back to America and demand equal treatment.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:09 | 6421317 OldPhart
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Please don't plant a mental picture of Hillary getting off...from bill, huma, or self love.  Just don't want that image in my mind, ok?  Thanks.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 08:29 | 6421667 mendolover
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Oh Huma, don't cry.  I'll teach you all about looking the other way.  It always pays off in the long run.  Now a little higher to the right.  That's it!  

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:53 | 6420786 Westcott Canon
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And...........................noting will happen.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:56 | 6420797 Dr. Engali
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Sure something will happen. This will all go away before the primaries, and she will say "this is all old settled news, why are you bringing it up again?"

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:07 | 6421028 tenpanhandle
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"at this point what difference does it make."

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:56 | 6420794 NoWayJose
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Let me guess - the home of a former President is protected and secured by the Secret Service - the email server was in the home - therefore the Secret Service protection made the server 'secure'. Sure...

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:59 | 6420804 Dr. Engali
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I don't think a litre of Crown and a whole bottle of Viagra can fix what that picture just did to me.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 21:58 | 6420805 nmewn
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The Scooby Van is in the ditch?...what the hell?!?...what will all "the average American common folk" do now without someone driving the Gimme Bus!?!?

Come on Bernie the Socialist!...lol.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:01 | 6420815 Eternal Complainer
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that bitch!

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:05 | 6420831 Ms No
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It may be a serious issue because if she becomes angry her blubbering mass of cellulite may become unstable and threaten us all.  At that point even the most hardened of Zionists may retreat.  Hey wait a minute....

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:07 | 6420840 FreedomGuy
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I am not a conspiracy theorist and I get tired of their "oppositeville" interpretation of every event. However, the Clintons have a long suspicious history and at a minimum an arrogant disregard for security. It could be that Mrs. Clinton is genuinely stupid. Combined with arrogance and power this is extremely dangerous. 

The Clintons have an unusual relationship in particular to the Chinese and loss of nuclear (Los Alamos) and industrial secrets all the way down to the precision manufacturing of ball bearings necessary for accurate MIRV's. 

If we ever get an honest President who gives a shit (hahahaha!) I think a deep investigation of this Arkansas mafia pair is in order. 

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:09 | 6420847 khakuda
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But didn't Hillary and Janet tell us they are above the law?

I blame the media for squashing all these scandals, including the IRS where they took the 5th and destroyed all evidence.  Having friends that have worked in the State Dept, she should have been fired and crimanally charged.  Anything less smacks of favoritism and corruption.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:14 | 6420868 quasi_verbatim
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These Clintoris Chronicles don't matter, they're just another 'vast right-wing conspiracy'.

The lady will be POTUS, and the Menstruators will make it so.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:25 | 6420905 MissCellany
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I menstruate, but there's no way in hell I'd vote for that woman, even if I did vote. I've met HRC and she is one frostily calculating narcissist.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:20 | 6421062 Bazza McKenzie
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She won't be president because Obama is taking her out and he has 18 months of presidential power in which to do it.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:47 | 6421107 daveO
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To be precise, the media's taking her out. It started with SNL skits attacking her, last spring. Andrea Mitchell also asked her some tough questions about women's issues(ring a bell, now that Kelly has done the same thing?) at that failed UN news conference. What do SNL, Greenspan's wife and Donald Trump have in common? If you said NBC, you get a gold star. 

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 08:25 | 6421661 mendolover
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Every time I see a 'I'm Ready for Hillary' bumper sticker I want to do a PIT maneuver on the poor sucker and put them out of their misery. 

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:18 | 6420872 ramacers
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intell community is incredibly tight. i know. if she walked on this there would be dangerous - to politicians - repercussions. NOLO CONTENDERE w/fine & probation MINIMUM. comey will spearhead or walk.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:16 | 6420873 Chuck Knoblauch
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DOJ and FBI?

What a fucking joke?

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:17 | 6420877 jacship
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we are so fuked

 

how long did it take for

Sillary's email server

to be hacked

 

a= a week

b= a month

c= a year

d= what does it matter

 

this is not your fathers socialism

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:19 | 6420886 CHC
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Clinton is going to claim "not knowing" the information was classified Top Secret - whether it was labeled as such or not.  However - that defense will fall on deaf ears in the intelligence and judicial arenas.  She WAS the Secretary of State and by that position alone - she would have to have the intellect to determine if something was of utmost importance to the security of the United States and treat it as such.  It literally goes with the job.  Her biggest blunder was having her own private server in her home.  If something comes out where that server was hacked by say the Russians or the Chinese - Hillary can literally kiss her ass good by.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:19 | 6420887 zarjad
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A Clinton spokesperson responded that “Any released emails deemed classified by the administration have been done so after the fact, and not at the time they were transmitted.” Clinton claims unequivocally her email contained no classified information, and that no message carried any security marking, such as Confidential or Top Secret.

 

This is interesting.

First, Clinton emails were not initially classified because they did not go through State Department process of classification. The whole purpose of Clinton server was to keep it away from State Department.

Second, if emails were classified "after the fact" (what fact?), then State Department knew that emails originated on a non-government server. Did they know? And no one raised alarms? 

 

 

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:21 | 6420892 Whodathunkit
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Rhetorical why is this hag not prosecuted as a traitor that she is and get it over with. Benedict Arnold.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 08:23 | 6421656 mendolover
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I don't think anyone realizes how much shit the Bubbas have on everyone.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:24 | 6420903 Sanity Bear
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She was very likely engaged in the wholesale auctioning of any sort of classified material any sufficiently wealthy buyer could want.

 

The Clintons have a long history of it, too. Search "Clinton Loral" for a small taste. And even back then they were taking large amounts of money from foreign governments - recall the Gore "Buddhist monk" scandal, which did not originate with Gore himself.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:39 | 6420940 Phillyguy
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I am no fan of HRC, but this “witch hunt” is nonsense. Hillary is a well seasoned politician, like many in DC. Are her email “transgressions” any different/egregious than many other Wash bureaucrats or members of Congress? Sounds like a rat to me!

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:42 | 6420958 Superdave532
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Well, according to the statements of the article, clearly they are.  Though refer to my comments below yours for my thoughts on the matter..

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:27 | 6421078 Sanity Bear
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There is something REALLY FUCKING WEIRD about your comment history.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/search/user_comments?username=phillyguy

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:17 | 6421327 OldPhart
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No shit, your's seems normal though.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:39 | 6420941 Superdave532
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Come on guys, she was just trying to help the Administration be the most transparant Administration in history..

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:41 | 6420951 Superdave532
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Really though, as much as I do hope she actually serves time for this, am I supposed to believe that the FREAKIN SECRETARY OF STATE was able to even attempt to host her own server for sending out emails, and no one in the government called her out on in?

If that doesn't scream either A) incompetance or B) set-up, I don't know what does.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:18 | 6421057 Bazza McKenzie
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Obama was happy to live with it.  He didn't care about the effect on the country but knew it was going to give him a guaranteed means of crushing her when she ran for president, without appearing to be political.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:42 | 6421102 Superdave532
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I don't outright reject that theory, what with the V.J. notion that the administration leaked this or other info, but whom is Obama choosing over her exactly?

She still has by far the best chance of winning the Democrat nomination, and likely the Whitehouse at this point.  Whom does he like better?

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:54 | 6421126 daveO
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It's not the sock puppet's choice but, it's clear to me that Trump is being anointed. He knows where the real Mbasa birth certificate's located.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:47 | 6421352 Bazza McKenzie
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Whom does he like better?  Himself or anyone he can control.  In this case that means Biden running backed by the Obama machine.

Obama is not looking at this as a Democrat trying to do the best for the party.  Those times are gone.  He is looking at it as the head of the Obama crime family who wants to perpetuate his crime family's control of power and who very definitely does not want to see the rival Clinton crime family back in power.

The tell was obvious once the MSM started running stories about Clinton's problems.  Given the known vindictiveness of the Clintons none of the MSM would have dared run those stories if she might end up as president, too risky.  The only way they could have been guaranteed of her failure is for the Obama crime family to have assured them they have a mountain of evidence that will destroy her.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 08:21 | 6421651 mendolover
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When you refer to the 'Obama crime family', I hope you mean it as him being the figurehead of the 'Jarrett crime family'.  Because I seriously doubt that phony poser could punch his way out of a paper bag without someone, mainly VJ telling him how to get in the bag.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 08:40 | 6421708 Superdave532
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I really don't buy that though; I have just as good a chance of winning the Whitehouse as Biden does, I think there aren't nearly enough people in the country that take him seriously. I could see Obama propping up Kerry again before Biden. 

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:42 | 6420956 Atomizer
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Just strip her security clearance. She'll never will be able to run as President. 

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:47 | 6420978 fowlerja
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Well give it to Hillary...her husband was known as "slick willie"...guess we can give her the title "slick hillary"...what a great combination..and if we see them walking down a city street...we can call the "city slickers"...

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:55 | 6421000 VW Nerd
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No matter.  She and Bill are in The Club.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 22:57 | 6421009 skippy9
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Slime is slime no matter how you spin it. Madam Clinton epitomizes the current state of America's political hacks. Lie, cheat and steal and put yourself above the law seems to be her and their mantra. Add  to this mix the scum who represent the media and you have the recipe for disaster. It's already happening in Ferguson, Missouri, where black criminals are making a mockery of the justice system forcing citizens to take up arms to defend themelves against the "Black Menace" that is a cancer in our country. Meanwhile, POTUS encourages the "Black Menace" to continue to act like the barbarians they were hatched from.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:02 | 6421019 williambanzai7
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Clinton exceptionalism is the real issue.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:19 | 6421328 OldPhart
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And way too many morons buy into that notion.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:07 | 6421027 kchrisc
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"Understanding Why The Clinton Emails Matter"

They matter only in that they prevent people from inquiring about, say Cheney's emails, Bush Jr's, CIA-Obama's, Rove's, Pelosi's, Reid's, Wolfowitz', etc...

Since she is already a criminal destined for the guillotine, and cannot be guillotined twice, investigating her further is a waste of time and resources. Time and resources that could be better used to ferret out and document more slither and bankster criminals and their crimes, and grow one's CAAPTL list.

Liberty is a demand. Tyranny is submission..

 

CAAPTL:

Every American should be compiling a list, call it the Crimes Against the American People Treason List (CAAPTL). A list of known criminal pols, crats, functionaries (funcs), gun and badge thugs (thugs), and banksters that they are aware of.

Oath violating and treasonous gun and badge thugs, corrupt pols and crats, thieving banksters, etc. should be placed on it. At a minimum, their names, crimes, and positions, should be kept for future reference for accountability, trial, and punishment--Retribution.

When the DC US that is currently criminally occupying the American county, and oppressing the American people, finally collapses, these lists can then be used to root out the known criminals that will think that they can hide among their victims--no "Truth and Reconciliation," and no quarter.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:31 | 6421044 Bazza McKenzie
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I'm intrigued by the fact that her lawyer has a drive with emails that may or may not contain classified emails.  What security classification does he hold and who gave it to him?

Then there were all those Clinton operatives flanneling through her server to decide what was private and what was government emails.  What security classification did each of them hold and who gave it to them after what vetting?

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:15 | 6421046 Bazza McKenzie
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The stuff the Russians and Chinese really wanted was what she claims is private, i.e. Clinton selling favors (not sexual in case you were worried).  That's the real blackmail material if she ever made it to the WH, which she won't.

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:16 | 6421051 RalphJolly
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HILARY FOR PRISON 2016

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 01:08 | 6421246 thebigunit
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I've got just the place for her (and Bill, too).

Clinton Correctional Facility

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:17 | 6421055 RalphJolly
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HILARY FOR PRISON 2016

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:18 | 6421056 bankonzhongguo
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This is just her handlers letting her know they have the goods on her.

It makes them feel important and her knowing who she works for.

They will hold this over head and the media will hem and haw about her campaign, but look at her contemporaries - Petraeus and Sandy Berger.

Dave P and (not) his Spring Hill massage therapist get 2 year probation and a $100M fine on basically giving the candy store away to a foreign power for years.

The Bergermeister stole a host of 9/11 documents from the National Archive and destroyed them.  This is just the official story. Fined $50,000 and probation.

Nobody is going to hang Hillary - especially not any impotent Republican't effort.

The professional politician THRIVES on being blackmailed, so they can assert their public image of being hard-ass control freaks.

They like being "naughty" and getting caught and punished.

A hard day of barking at secret service agents and street urchins is quieted with muffled tears by a face full of huma in the sub basement.

The whole email thing is really about old people not understanding technology, and not wanting anyone to be peaking into their underwear drawer.

Remember, we are talking about a person that wants to be President does not know how to drive a car.

Sleep well with that one.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 00:08 | 6421166 daveO
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Petraeus was confirmed by the Senate on 6/30/11. Supposedly began banging the 'honey pot' a month or so later. Harassing e-mails? Yea, right. 

 Petraeus reportedly began an affair with Paula Broadwell, principal author of his biography, All In: The Education of General David Petraeus, after Petraeus left his ISAF command on July 18, 2011 to become CIA director. Petraeus reportedly ended the affair in the summer of 2012, around the time that he learned that Broadwell had been sending harassing emails to a longstanding family friend of the Petraeuses, Jill Kelley.[180]

Wed, 08/12/2015 - 23:46 | 6421089 Escapeclaws
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Thu, 08/13/2015 - 00:14 | 6421173 jack stephan
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Sergeant : Mr. President. I found the TV remote.

 

Nixon : Good work, Sergeant. I'm awarding you the purple heart.

Sergeant : But I wasn't injured.
[Nixon shoots a gun at him, then opens a trap door]

Nixon : Well, enough governing. It's Saturday morning, damn it. Let's watch some cartoons!!!!!

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 00:26 | 6421190 dobermangang
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She could go to jail and still beat Jeb Bush.  The establishment candidates really suck.  Looks like all those billionaires bet on the wrong horses this time.  I said both Bush and Clinton wouldn't be the nominees.  The masses really hate party insiders this time around.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 00:46 | 6421217 onmail
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Hillary has learned this from her cocksuckledHubby :

Whatever you do , nothing will happen ( to politicians)

becuz

we are not China

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 01:23 | 6421267 BenG57
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It's Hillary's turn--to be in a jail cell.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 01:28 | 6421274 Clowns on Acid
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When Hillary goes down, that will be only nthe first peg. next will be a lot of people. Corzine included

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 01:43 | 6421289 Richard Whitney
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But will there be any consequences to these security violations?

Just as you say:

>>None of these laws, rules, regulations or standards fall under the rubric of obscure legalities; they are drilled into persons holding a security clearance via formal training (mandatory yearly for State Department employees)<<

Timothy Geithner, when he was at the IMF, was specifically told that he was responsible for paying his U.S. taxes. He signed a document acknowledging his responsibiity.

He did not pay those taxes, even after his own accountant told him he had to pay them. When he was considered for Treasury, he paid some of them, and only paid everything just before confirmation hearings.

Did he go to jail? Was his confirmation denied?

Do you trust the DoJ to prosecute HRC? Do you think that Congress has the cajones to persue this? Do you trust State to co-operate? Or might this all ultimately be blamed on some intern, lowly staffer or IT geek, and the real perp will walk?

 

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:39 | 6421344 jack stephan
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abortion liquified into measly profit, our consumer frivilous lifestyle makes business on crunchy born or unborn baby parts.

This hits a part of my brain i didnt know as even there.  Can some interdimensional space light ball get me the fuck up outta here pronto, cmon ill tell shitty jokes the whole way through andromeda galaxy like thunder road shit from the explorers, im done.

If i had an honest to goodness kid from my nuts im killing anything who touches my child, with no apologies. Sorry earthlings, you make me puke up my breakfast, im being merciful.  this is sodom.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7Z8Ww1EmMk

 

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:39 | 6421346 TheRicker
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My only question is why does this family even matter anymore. They have become caricatures of themselves. The whole world is burning down and were supposed to pay attention to a has been family who never ever cared about literally anyone but themselves and would sell anyone, anything including country to forward their number one cause.. themselves!! Typical Saul Alinsky Progressives. They can go rot in hell with him as far as I am concerned and let the public get back to real problems.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 02:42 | 6421349 GoldenDonuts
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Isn't everyone who actually sent her an email from their .gov computer to her .hag server just as guilty?   Also the FBI don't need her server they have the .gov server with every email sent to the .hag server

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 04:07 | 6421399 Grandad Grumps
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The real issue revolves around the question of what Hitlery was trying to hide. In today's environment of almost infinite free personal email available, there is no reason to have one's own server unless one feels a need to fully control access to the contents of that email. Why control personal email if there is nothing untoward or illegal in it?

By dragging her feet on providing access to the servers. By not providing 20 days of emails and lying about their existence. And, as everyone suspects, by lying about there being no classified information on the server (which may be technically correct ... she and her contacts probably did not classify it, even though it would have been classified on a government server) she is giving the appearance that she did something illegal and unethical and is hiding it.

The country is now held hostage to her word and the word of government investigators who, to this point, have seemingly shown zero interest in discovering Clinton's illegal acts.

If Hitlery's email server is claimed to not contain information that proves she acted illegally, then there needs to be a way for independent trustworthy, nongovernmental verification. The FBI, justice department and state department do not appear to be working in the best interest of the people of this country.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 05:32 | 6421460 johnjkiii
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This Hillarious Harpy has a different set of morals therefore she is immune from normal bounds of mere government strictures. BTW, was she ever investigated for her cherry picked commodity trades, or Vince Foster, or any of the numerous previous instances of conduct unbecoming a human? No? I rest my case

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 06:51 | 6421526 Baby Eating Dingo22
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Bernies Sanders is Kicking her ass in the polls

He's been way ahead of the others in pointing out the truth

He and Ron Paul we allies in Congress

It was he who has ben long pushing to kill the Fed- Look at some videos of Bernie kicking Bernanke's ass

2009

Where'd the money go, Ben?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWXrMCGJT4

Reaming Timmy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnoI9RsQ_wc

Grilling Greenie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFdhGJEEwLI

1998

The man has integrity with a consistent message

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca-GncBz60M

 

He was first to introduce overturning Citizens United

While EVERY other candidate is a sellout and WILL carry on printing for WS and the Oligarchs and the MIC, Bernie will print for the people

BERNIE 2016!!

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/031213-CUAmendment.pdf

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 07:25 | 6421535 overmedicatedun...
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History rhymes: one is reminded of one Sandy Berger ex clinton hit man:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/01/sandy_berger_what_did_...

"According to reports from the Inspector General of the National Archives and the staff of the House of Representatives' Government Operations Committee, Mr. Berger, while acting as former President Clinton's designated representative to the commission investigating the attacks of September 11, 2001, illegally took confidential documents from the Archives on more than one occasion. He folded documents in his clothes, snuck them out of the Archives building, and stashed them under a construction trailer nearby until he could return, retrieve them, and later cut them up. After he was caught, he lied to the investigators and tried to shift blame to Archive employees.

Contrary to his initial denials and later excuses, Berger clearly intended from the outset to remove sensitive material from the Archives. He used the pretext of making and receiving private phone calls to get time alone with confidential material, although rules governing access dictated that someone from the Archives staff must be present. He took bathroom breaks every half-hour to provide further opportunity to remove and conceal documents"

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 08:08 | 6421623 pupdog1
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There is such a thing as a collective consciousness, and I am waiting for the masses to suddenly realize what a vile, criminal, megalomanical ugly hag Hillary really is.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 10:51 | 6422126 libertysghost
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Think of all the things "collective conscious" hasn't caught up with though...debt doesn't yet matter, Kissinger is still respected...hell, Bill Clinton is largely loved still along with Reagan and Bush and, well, all of the Presidents in the 20th century (aside from that "damn Hoover") are still "respected".  I'm just saying, grab some refreshments because the wait will probably be long because there's also still a thing called "cognitive dissonance" :-( .

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 08:13 | 6421635 Able Ape
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She's a cankered, ulcerated dick - throw her rotting carcass in prison...end of story, time to move on....

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 08:33 | 6421685 mendolover
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These sicophants will do anything to get in the shot with these demons.

http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2015/08/05/man-who-ran-clintons-personal-ema...

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 08:40 | 6421707 insanelysane
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Let's accept the facts as Hillary's camp presents them.

Fact 1:  Hillary only sent emails using her personal server because it was the most efficient way of doing things and Hillary is the most efficient person ever.

Fact 2:  Hillary never sent a classified email using her peersonal server.

Summay:  During her tenure as Secretary of State Hillary never received or sent any classified information.

What the hell was she doing as Secretary of State?  Some of the work must be dealing with classified information, 80%, 50%, 20%???

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 10:55 | 6422140 Tod E. Tosspot
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I wish one of her MSM ass lickers would ask this eminently logical and devastating question just once. If he has the nads, Bernie Sanders certainly should. Or perhaps one of the PACs supporting Slow Joe or Fauxcahontas will ask it in an ad.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 09:15 | 6421829 The Iconoclast
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"For those who use government computer systems, electronic tools enforce compliance and security personnel are quick to zero in on violations."

Just ask Chelsea Manning who only grabbed 720,000 documents before being caught thanks to a snitch.

Thu, 08/13/2015 - 11:05 | 6422196 libertysghost
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I still think one of the clearest points to be made about her claim that "it wasn't classified when I got it or sent it" is so obvious it's almost hidden in plain sight.

The reason it is a violation is because it is all classified until it is decided not to be as that is the only way such a position can work...with there being a thing called "real time"!  How can a system of classification happen during an ongoing conversation that of course must happen throughout every day in the functioning of a job requiring classification status?  If she's having an email conversation about here job the materials will often become classified and she knows that...I would feel patronized even having to be told that in a "training session" (while obviously they cover that point for stupid politicians and government workers because there's a solid chance they haven't considered it).  

When the Secr of State has any conversation with anyone about anything about their work, there's a high chance that the conversation will recieve some level of classification when it can finally be reviewed before being made available to the public.

OF COURSE SHE KNOWS THIS.  TO PRETEND DIFFERENT IS ANOTHER LIE.

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